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Las Vegas ATP event to be sold to South Africa?

Labamba
04-01-2008, 02:05 PM
http://blogs.sun-sentinel.com/sports_tennisblog/2008/03/usta-atp-battle.html

USTA, ATP battle over future of Tennis Channel Open

KEY BISCAYNE -- One of my moles (not a shadowy human but an actual talking rodent) tells me that the letter sent by USTA czar Arlen Kantarian to ATP CEO Etienne de Villiers over the sale of the Las Vegas Tennis Channel Open was candid, clear and extremely tough.

I'd love to see a copy of the letter and I'm working on it, but neither organization is anxious to air this one out publicly. The ATP wants to buy the tournament from the Tennis Channel and move it out of the U.S., possibly South Africa. The USTA, which has invested $6 million in the Tennis Channel, is ready to call up the Marines if that tournament tries to leave the country.

And just to make things more interesting, Butch Buchholz, who is chairman of the Sony Ericsson Open, is putting together a consortium to buy the tournament and move it to Saddlebrook, just outside Tampa. That happens to be where Mardy Fish, the Bryan brothers, John Isner and James Blake practice and call home.

I asked Blake on Friday to comment on the possible loss of this tournament and it was obvious that he's in the loop, which is not surprising, considering his association with Saddlebrook.

"As an American, I know there's been quite a bit of a migration of tournaments from the U.S. I think not that many years ago there were 20 tournaments in the States," he said. There are now 14.

"So I would definitely like to see that number at least stay where it is. The tournament in Vegas, I know, hasn't drawn huge crowds. But if there is a possibility to have it somewhere else in the States, where we can keep kind of the swing going among Delray Beach, Memphis and San Jose, I think that would be great.

"Obviously, I'm a little biased, being an American, but I think it makes sense for the tour."

And if it moved to Saddlebrook? Did I see Blake's eyebrow raise there? "Yeah, I love playing in New Haven because it's so close my home, where I grew up. And if there's a chance to play another tournament close to Tampa, where I live now, whether it be Saddlebrook, that would be ideal. I'd do everything I can to make sure it sells out. I'd invite every single one of my friends."

There's going to be ample opportunity to keep the pressure on to hold onto that 14th U.S. tournament because no decision on sale of an event can be made without the ATP board, which doesn't meet again until Wimbledon.

Renaud
04-01-2008, 02:10 PM
"As an American, I know there's been quite a bit of a migration of tournaments from the U.S. I think not that many years ago there were 20 tournaments in the States," he said. There are now 14."

Come on... :rolleyes:

LaTenista
04-01-2008, 02:45 PM
I think 3 tournaments in Florida in the first 3 months of the year is a bit much.

jcempire
04-01-2008, 02:49 PM
I think 3 tournaments in Florida in the first 3 months of the year is a bit much.

Maybe, but that's not a big deal

Winnipeg
04-01-2008, 02:55 PM
south africa could really use an ATP event,
gives a chance for Anderson, De Voest, Moodie, Whitehouse, Van der Merwe, Wolmarans
to get some ATP expierience and in their home country as well,
and theirs only one african atp tournament at the moment (morrocco)
so another one in south africa makes sense...:):):)

Rosa Luxembourg
04-01-2008, 03:38 PM
Whitehouse spends ALL his time in the US, so he would probably prefer to keep the status quo.

Frooty_Bazooty
04-01-2008, 03:39 PM
uh south africa has 0

Renaud
04-01-2008, 03:40 PM
Whitehouse spends ALL his time in the US, so he would probably prefer to keep the status quo.

But never receives WC there.
That's his point i guess.

Nathaliia
04-01-2008, 03:48 PM
Vamos South Africa. Sure they should get one.

Somebody lost a tournament licence in a casino? :p

Renaud
04-01-2008, 03:50 PM
Somebody lost a tournament licence in a casino? :p
:lol:

belco
04-01-2008, 03:52 PM
im for it :bounce:

Rosa Luxembourg
04-01-2008, 04:01 PM
But never receives WC there.
That's his point i guess.


he is over the hill, so not going to get it even it is held in S. Africa

Chip_s_m
04-01-2008, 06:09 PM
Here's a little more insight into the situation:

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/sfl-0327tennischannel,0,6608937.story

Tennis Channel Open in Las Vegas could move to Tampa area
By Charles Bricker | South Florida Sun-Sentinel


KEY BISCAYNE - The Tennis Channel Open in Las Vegas probably will be sold this summer after an unsuccessful two-year run and Butch Buchholz, tournament chairman of the Sony Ericsson Open, will be among those bidding to buy it and move it to Saddlebrook Resort, just outside Tampa.

The ATP also is believed to be interested in purchasing the tournament and moving it to South Africa, a decision that would cause a great deal of consternation at the USTA headquarters in White Plains, N.Y., which takes a very hard line on any American tournament leaving the country.

USTA CEO Arlen Kantarian has sent a letter to ATP CEO Etienne de Villiers expressing his concern over the prospect of the tournament leaving the U.S.

The ATP had no definitive comment on sale of the tournament, except to point out that no decision could be made on sale of any tournament until the ATP board of directors meets at Wimbledon in June.

Sale of the Vegas event would reduce the number of U.S. men's tournaments from 14 to 13 after the USTA invested millions of dollars in the Tennis Channel, which has a contract to broadcast night matches at the Sony Ericsson Open and to also matches from the U.S. Open Series six weeks of men's and women's matches prior to the U.S. Open which was cobbled together as a package by the USTA.

Why the ATP would want to move a tournament to South Africa is a mystery. The country has very few professional players and no history of great tennis. What it does have is the headquarters of South African Airlines, which is a major ATP sponsor.

None of that is making officials at the USTA happy. One of that organization's major goals is to promote tennis in the United States.

The tournament was moved to Las Vegas from Scottsdale, where it had been owned by IMG.

Buchholz said Thursday there could be other bidders, but his plan to form a consortium of investors and play the tournament in a new, 8,000-seat stadium being planned by Saddlebrook. The tournament might keep its current dates the first week in March.

The tournament would have a built-in numbers of players who practice and live either at Saddlebrook or nearby Wesley Chapel, including James Blake, Mardy Fish and the Bryan twins, one of the leading doubles teams in men's tennis.

Saddlebrook is located just off I-75 15 minutes north of Tampa.

Charles Bricker can be reached at cbricker@sun-sentinel.com

Tzar
04-01-2008, 06:25 PM
United States of America: 14 Tournaments
Asia, Africa, Oceania and South America WTA&ATP: 15 Tournaments

Fee
04-01-2008, 07:06 PM
Wesley Whitehouse retired and got married. Not sure he cares too much about this particular issue.

Garson007
04-01-2008, 08:49 PM
Why the ATP would want to move a tournament to South Africa is a mystery. The country has very few professional players and no history of great tennis. What it does have is the headquarters of South African Airlines, which is a major ATP sponsor.
Wait, what? RSA has won the Davis Cup before (regardless of circumstances) and it currently has no men's tennis tournaments, bar one Challenger.

This article is just another case of American arrogance on the part of Charles Bricker.

Jozie
04-01-2008, 09:04 PM
Here's a little more insight into the situation:

Why the ATP would want to move a tournament to South Africa is a mystery. The country has very few professional players and no history of great tennis. What it does have is the headquarters of South African Airlines, which is a major ATP sponsor.

None of that is making officials at the USTA happy. One of that organization's major goals is to promote tennis in the United States.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/sfl-0327tennischannel,0,6608937.story

So what you are saying Mr Bricker, is that Asia, Africa and Oceania do not have similar ambitions to the USTA, and that it is more important to promote tennis in the US than elsewhere?

Shame on you... :(

ae wowww
04-01-2008, 09:13 PM
Would be great to see SA get an event, I'm sure it would be beneficial to them, and the game in many ways.

binkygirl
04-02-2008, 01:04 AM
south africa could really use an ATP event,
gives a chance for Anderson, De Voest, Moodie, Whitehouse, Van der Merwe, Wolmarans
to get some ATP expierience and in their home country as well,
and theirs only one african atp tournament at the moment (morrocco)
so another one in south africa makes sense...:):):)

South Africa did have an ATP tournament at one time. It obviously did not get the support to stick.

I think the Vegas tournament should be moved to San Diego or Newport Beach. Both areas have the sort of crowds to support it.

MusicMyst
04-02-2008, 03:40 AM
South Africa did have an ATP tournament at one time. It obviously did not get the support to stick.

I think the Vegas tournament should be moved to San Diego or Newport Beach. Both areas have the sort of crowds to support it.

I was just going to make this point. Toward the end, the SA Open was moving to a different city every year because it couldn't keep sponsors and nobody was buying tickets. I think it ended up in some gambling resort called Sun City for its last year. That's a hard history to combat.

Winston's Human
04-02-2008, 04:25 AM
I wish they would move the Las Vegas tournament to Dallas.

binkygirl
04-02-2008, 11:16 AM
That sounds like a good idea. The old 70s Lamar Hunt tour had some stops in Texas.

Matchu
04-02-2008, 12:05 PM
United States of America: 14 Tournaments
Asia, Africa, Oceania and South America WTA&ATP: 15 Tournaments

Pritty pathetic the strangle hold they have huh. Asia should be the number 1 place they should be looking to expand into, Africa is place they should be promoting and Oceania and South America probably need a couple more tournaments.

Deboogle!.
04-03-2008, 11:02 PM
Vegas For Sale?
By Tennis Week
Thursday, April 03, 2008

The buzz in Miami is that Tennis Channel is close to selling its struggling Vegas tournament, The Tennis Channel Open, and there is concern it might not stay in the U.S. As it stands now, the tournament may move to South Africa or it may be shut down and removed from the ATP calendar.

According to insiders, members of the Tennis Channel board were meeting in Miami with potential buyers.

An advocate for retaining the tournament in the U.S. has emailed the media and USTA officials lobbying to keep the tournament in the States.

There were rumors that Sony Ericsson Open founder and Hall of Famer Butch Buchholz was leading a group to buy the tournament and move it to Tampa, however sources say that will not happen.

At this point, it appears there is a slight chance the tournament could be sold and move to South Africa, however it appears more likely the event will be shut down and removed from the ATP schedule. The ATP is trying to streamline its schedule and given the fact the tournament is contested the same week as the $1.4 million Barclays Dubai Tennis Championships, which traditionally attracts top players, and that it occurs the week before the Pacific Life Open at Indian Wells, the Tennis Channel Open has had trouble filling its field with top-10 players.

Since James Blake beat Lleyton Hewitt in the 2006 Tennis Channel Open final, the tournament has failed to consistently attract top draw players and has struggled to sell tickets.

Weather and location play a part: late February is traditionally one of the coldest periods of the year in Vegas with fans — including Andre Agassi on a couple of occasions — forced to bundle up in winter coats to brave the night chill.

American Sam Querrery beat rising South African Kevin Anderson, 4-6, 6-3, 6-4, in last month's Tennis Channel Open final.

Winnipeg
04-03-2008, 11:22 PM
all you americans want vegas to be moved somewhere in the states.
US has too many tournaments as it is
SHAME ON YOU !!!
you greedy pigs...

MusicMyst
04-04-2008, 12:18 AM
all you americans want vegas to be moved somewhere in the states.
US has too many tournaments as it is
SHAME ON YOU !!!
you greedy pigs...

So get yourself some sponsors and buy the tournament. Nobody's stopping you.

smitty8
04-04-2008, 12:56 AM
Well, that explains why I didn't get a reply from the Tennis Channel Open about dates for next year. So much for combining a vacation of tourney watching and gambling, two of my favorite things.

Deboogle!.
04-10-2008, 07:41 PM
ATP Buys Tennis Channel OpenBy Tennis Week 4/10/2008 1:57:00 PM
Tennis Channel has reached an agreement to sell its Las Vegas-based Tennis Channel Open to the ATP, Tennis Channel CEO Ken Solomon confirmed today.

Tennis Channel’s executive team and board of directors made the decision to sell the tournament to the ATP due to "a combination of growth in the network’s core media business and the timing presented by a revamped pro tennis tournament schedule beginning in 2009. As it approaches its fifth anniversary in May, the network has added three Grand Slam tournaments to its lineup in less than a year," the cable network said in a statement.

"We’re proud of the history we’ve made with Las Vegas, and of the groundbreaking things the tournament has allowed us to do," Solomon said in announcing the agreement. "Our network has evolved tremendously in the past three years, due, in part, to the Tennis Channel Open. When we came to Las Vegas we couldn’t have foreseen that we’d have French Open, Australian Open and Wimbledon coverage in our lineup so soon, three tent-pole competitions that greatly add to our year-round tournament schedule. Now, with these events in tow and the international tournament schedule changing next year, it’s time for us to focus more of our energy on what we do best, which is to continue to bring more tennis to television and the Internet than ever before, in ways unlike ever before."

At this point, it appears there is a slight chance the tournament could be sold and move to South Africa, however it appears more likely the event will be shut down and removed from the ATP schedule.

The ATP is trying to shorten and streamline its schedule and given the fact the tournament is contested the same week as the $1.4 million Barclays Dubai Tennis Championships, which traditionally attracts top players, and that it occurs the week before the Pacific Life Open at Indian Wells, the Tennis Channel Open has had trouble filling its field with top-10 players.

Tennis Week has contacted the ATP for comment on its future plans for the tournament and will post those comments as soon as they are received.

The Tennis Channel said "The ATP is currently in the process of determining the future of the Las Vegas event."

Since James Blake beat Lleyton Hewitt in the 2006 Tennis Channel Open final, the tournament has failed to consistently attract top draw players and has struggled to sell tickets.

Weather and location play a part: late February is traditionally one of the coldest periods of the year in Vegas with fans — including Andre Agassi on a couple of occasions — forced to bundle up in winter coats to brave the night chill.

American Sam Querrey beat rising South African Kevin Anderson, 4-6, 6-3, 6-4, in last month's Tennis Channel Open final.

Tennis Channel execs met with ATP officials in Miami during last week's Sony Ericsson Open to finalize details of the deal.

Tennis Channel purchased the tournament from IMG, Tennis Week's parent company, in February 2005, when it was known as the Franklin Templeton Tennis Classic. The 32-player draw, hard-court tournament had been contested at the Fairmont Scottsdale Princess in Scottsdale, Arizona for 16 years before moving to Vegas in 2006. American Vince Spadea beat Nicolas Kiefer in the 2004 final to win his first ATP title in his 223rd career tournament.

In October, 2005, former Tennis Channel president Steve Bellamy and Las Vegas mayor Oscar Goodman announced the move to Darling Memorial Tennis Center, a 23-court complex located about eight miles outside of downtown Las Vegas, starting February 27th, 2006. The facility is the largest outdoor public tennis center in the state of Nevada.

It marked the first time Las Vegas hosted a top-level professional tournament since the Alan King Tennis Classic in 1985. The Tennis Channel selected Vegas seeking to eventually produce a multi-week, multi-entertainment event that would appeal to fans on several levels.

"The vision is to create a sort of ‘tennispalooza,’ an annual tennis destination with tournament action and other tennis-related entertainment activities, and televise the heck out of it," Bellamy told Tennis Week months before the tournament debuted in Vegas. "Las Vegas is providing resources and efforts toward this end, and after an exhaustive selection process we’ve decided that the city presents the best opportunity to build something spectacular that people are going to travel to experience each year."



The concept was innovative and ambitious: an effort to combine tennis and entertainment and transform tennis fans from passive spectators to active participants in The Tennis Channel Open. Organizers attempted to redefine the standard tennis tournament experience with an entertainment spectacle staged at one of the gaming capitals of the country as well as provide TC with countless hours of programming.

"The combination of professional tournament tennis; The Tennis Channel’s 24/7, 365 media brand; and the excitement of Las Vegas creates endless opportunities for redefining the way the sport is experienced," Solomon told Tennis Week shortly before TC launched the tournament in Vegas.

There were complications that posed challenges to those plans.

The Dubai Tennis Championships, which lures some of tennis' top stars including World No. 1 Roger Federer and second-ranked Rafael Nadal with lucrative guarantees and inviting incentives, is staged the same week as The Tennis Channel Open. Vegas resident Andre Agassi, who would have been a major draw, also played Dubai the last years of his career before retiring.

Additionally, in its first year in Vegas the Tennis Channel Open competed with Acapulco Open, the only clay-court tournament staged the same week, which further diminished its potential prominent player pool.

While there was a belief the Tennis Channel Open was "extremely geographically desirable" for players planning to play the first Masters Series event of season at Indian Wells the following week, some players preferred to take the week prior to the Pacific Life Open off to practice. While Las Vegas has a rapidly growing residential community it is still widely regarded as a tourist town where gambling remains the top draw.

Despite the best efforts of the Tennis Channel and sponsorship support from both the industry and corporate world those combination of factors: the tournament's place in the schedule during the week of Dubai, cold weather and the location of the Darling Tennis Center eight miles from the strip in Vegas contributed the challenges of attracting top players and consistent crowds and ultimately led to the tournament's sale.

Fee
04-10-2008, 07:44 PM
Well, that explains why I didn't get a reply from the Tennis Channel Open about dates for next year. So much for combining a vacation of tourney watching and gambling, two of my favorite things.

Go to Indian Wells, do your gambling at the Indian casinos and your shopping at the Cabazon outlets. Not exactly Lost Wages, but the tennis is better. :)

Lee
04-10-2008, 08:34 PM
At this point, it appears there is a slight chance the tournament could be sold and move to South Africa, however it appears more likely the event will be shut down and removed from the ATP schedule.


Very likely the event will be shut down. Honestly, how can South Africa attract top players to play there during that week? High ranking players will play in Dubai and clay courters will play in South America if there's any clay court tournaments. Remaining players from Europe or America will likely stay home to take the week off instead of travelling to South Africa unless the tournament there manages to throw money out like Dubai. :shrug:

Kitty de Sade
04-10-2008, 08:53 PM
Thank you for posting the article, Deb. Frankly, I'm not surprised in the least. When it's all about the bottom line, no money= no tourney. TTC Open couldn't match the deep pockets of Dubai.

Deboogle!.
04-10-2008, 08:53 PM
Exactly, and having been to a night match when it was still in Scottsdale, it really was uncomfortable and a major turn-off. Unfortunate, but c'est la vie.

Lee
04-10-2008, 08:58 PM
Exactly, and having been to a night match when it was still in Scottsdale, it really was uncomfortable and a major turn-off. Unfortunate, but c'est la vie.

My heat was on early this morning :sobbing: but have a forecast of 95 on Sunday and 97 on Monday. :tape:

Kitty de Sade
04-10-2008, 08:59 PM
"The vision is to create a sort of ‘tennispalooza,’ an annual tennis destination with tournament action and other tennis-related entertainment activities, and televise the heck out of it," Bellamy told Tennis Week months before the tournament debuted in Vegas. "Las Vegas is providing resources and efforts toward this end, and after an exhaustive selection process we’ve decided that the city presents the best opportunity to build something spectacular that people are going to travel to experience each year."

I'm still stuck on this quote, though. What steps, if any, were taken to do this? I understand that there is nothing in the till at this point. No money= nothing to sell. It's like trying to unload a car that doesn't run.

I don't live within near striking distance of Las Vegas, so I can't say that I saw anything, but I'd love to know how the tourney organizers and/or assorted TTC Open brass attempted to create this "Tennispalooza," only to have it dissipate within such a short time. :shrug:

Deboogle!.
04-10-2008, 09:13 PM
I only know what I saw on TV - they had video game tournaments, paddle tennis, platform tennis, ping-pong events around the grounds. I mean I think the point is that at the tournament, they tried to make it a whole "event" beyond just a tennis tournament. But if you can't get people out to see it in the first place, that extra stuff isn't going to matter to a lot of people I don't think. I mean, they did televise the heck out of it all .... on TTC :lol:

Lee
04-10-2008, 09:16 PM
I only know what I saw on TV - they had video game tournaments, paddle tennis, platform tennis, ping-pong events around the grounds. I mean I think the point is that at the tournament, they tried to make it a whole "event" beyond just a tennis tournament. But if you can't get people out to see it in the first place, that extra stuff isn't going to matter to a lot of people I don't think. I mean, they did televise the heck out of it all .... on TTC :lol:


Like including the Tier 3498320985485 WTA tournament. :tape:

Deboogle!.
04-10-2008, 09:34 PM
Like including the Tier 3498320985485 WTA tournament. :tape:It was so low it didn't even have a Tier :tape: It was a challenger event :tape: I mean they tried, it was a little cheesy and over the top but so is Las Vegas :lol:

Kitty de Sade
04-10-2008, 10:06 PM
I only know what I saw on TV - they had video game tournaments, paddle tennis, platform tennis, ping-pong events around the grounds. I mean I think the point is that at the tournament, they tried to make it a whole "event" beyond just a tennis tournament. But if you can't get people out to see it in the first place, that extra stuff isn't going to matter to a lot of people I don't think. I mean, they did televise the heck out of it all .... on TTC :lol:

That's what constituted "extra" stuff? Silly me- here I thought they meant taking steps toward turning a profit, via selling tickets and putting butts in the seats. :cuckoo:

Oh sure, now it all makes sense. It was supposed to be like a carnival, or an arcade. No Roddick or Blake in a dunk tank though? Eh....:shrug: :p

Fee
04-10-2008, 10:17 PM
The 'tennispalooza' was something that Steve Bellamy aimed for and it worked when he was still there (TTC booted him about a year ago, I think). I remember when Thomas Blake won the stringing competition, and Gael Monfils lost early in the tournament but stuck around to play in the paddle tennis tournament, beating the top ranked player in the world in the final. I think that whole part of it fell apart when Steve left, current TTC management didn't place the same priority on it.

Regardless, it was the wrong location for a tournament at that time of year. If the US wants to have four tournaments in a row in February, then it should be another indoor event in a city that doesn't have anything right now (Chicago, Boston, Philly, Portland, Seattle, etc.). If that can't be done, just take it off the schedule.

tangerine_dream
04-10-2008, 10:19 PM
They would get even less players to play TTC if it moved to South Africa. May as well just take it off the schedule.

Kitty de Sade
04-10-2008, 10:19 PM
I agree with what you said, Fee- with only one exception. It can't be an indoor tournament in Chicago. That would not work. :)

Deboogle!.
04-10-2008, 10:23 PM
That's what constituted "extra" stuff? Silly me- here I thought they meant taking steps toward turning a profit, via selling tickets and putting butts in the seats. :cuckoo:

Oh sure, now it all makes sense. It was supposed to be like a carnival, or an arcade. No Roddick or Blake in a dunk tank though? Eh....:shrug: :pYeah... :lol: problem is as that article says, the venue isn't that close to the Strip and they obviously didn't do a good enough job of getting the people on the strip to go out to it. And there simply shouldn't have been a night session - period.

gogogirl
04-11-2008, 01:08 AM
All,

I wonder where the ATP will station it.

http://www.dailymail.com/Sports/200804100695

JimmyV
04-11-2008, 02:08 AM
The Alaskan open.

Eskimo's like tennis to.

Totally untapped customer base.

Clay Death
04-11-2008, 02:17 AM
The Alaskan open.

Eskimo's like tennis to.

Totally untapped customer base.
death valley. lets make it a real challenge and its just around the corner from Vegas.

JimmyV
04-11-2008, 02:29 AM
death valley. lets make it a real challenge and its just around the corner from Vegas.

Lol brilliant, I would totally go.

Smoke944
04-11-2008, 02:35 AM
Somewhere in Michigan ;)

JimmyV
04-11-2008, 02:57 AM
New Jersey needs a tourney.

Clay Death
04-11-2008, 02:59 AM
Lol brilliant, I would totally go.

they used to have a really challenging double century (200 miles) cycling event there (Death Valley). i was going to enter it but never got around to it.

Smoke944
04-11-2008, 02:59 AM
New Jersey needs a tourney.

Pssht, Detroit is a thriving city that has a huge tennis fanbase ;)

savesthedizzle
04-11-2008, 03:04 AM
New Jersey needs a tourney.

They can hold it in my backyard :dance: :lol:

Matchu
04-11-2008, 03:14 AM
I think its more likely they will move it overseas to say South Africa. USA has way too many tournaments at the moment, no wonder they won the Davis Cup. Its funny though that every American in this thread hasnt even contemplated it might be going overseas :haha:

JimmyV
04-11-2008, 03:19 AM
The Haiti open.

Deboogle!.
04-11-2008, 03:20 AM
I think its more likely they will move it overseas to say South Africa. USA has way too many tournaments at the moment, no wonder they won the Davis Cup. Its funny though that every American in this thread hasnt even contemplated it might be going overseas :haha:Actually, it sounds like the event will more than likely be scrapped altogether. Hopefully this will soon be merged with the existing thread that has all the details.

Fee
04-11-2008, 03:30 AM
I think its more likely they will move it overseas to say South Africa. USA has way too many tournaments at the moment, no wonder they won the Davis Cup. Its funny though that every American in this thread hasnt even contemplated it might be going overseas :haha:

Most of the people who posted in this thread before you had already read the other thread with the details and just posted jokes here.

CyBorg
04-11-2008, 06:08 AM
Make it interesting.

Make it Baghdad.

JimmyV
04-11-2008, 06:43 AM
Make it interesting.

Make it Baghdad.

Lol.

Post of the thread.

Clay Death
04-11-2008, 06:45 AM
Lol.

Post of the thread.

affirmative. good one.

JimmyV
04-11-2008, 07:04 AM
http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/8125/casbahzu2.jpg

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binkygirl
04-13-2008, 07:17 AM
Maybe there are just too many tournament. The ATP schedule makes no sense and is the worst of any professional sport. When do these guys get to rest? Its crap. I would never push my kid towards this career.

smitty8
04-15-2008, 12:26 AM
Go to Indian Wells, do your gambling at the Indian casinos and your shopping at the Cabazon outlets. Not exactly Lost Wages, but the tennis is better. :)

Eh, I'll just go to the local horse track to gamble, they have slot machines. :p I wanted to go to Vegas because I can actually get a timeshare trade there. Not so sure about Indian Wells, but I'll check on it.
If the tournament were closer to the strip and the weather was better, they could've done ok in Vegas. When I was there in January, there was only one day that was nice. The rest of the time it was heavy jacket weather.

tangerine_dream
04-25-2008, 04:51 PM
Here's an update on the bid for the Tennis Channel Open.

http://www.tennis-x.com/ptfstory/2008-04-23/650.php
Florida Interests Want In on ATP Las Vegas Tennis Channel Open Bidding
Posted on April 23, 2008

Florida will be getting a new ATP event in 2009 if the state's tennis powers have a say in the fate of the Tennis Channel Open in Las Vegas. The beleaguered event has been bought by the ATP but could still be put on the auction block after Las Vegas experienced consistent seasonably-bad weather, a tough calendar spot and poor attendance.

Organizers of two Florida tournaments are hungry to bring more professional tennis to the Sunshine State. John Arrix of Octagon, organizer of the WTA Tour Bausch & Lomb Championships at Amelia Island, was a bidder (and reportedly one of the finalists) when the ATP Houston event was up for bid last year. He attempted to bring the event to the Sawgrass Country Club in Ponte Vedra Beach, Fla. Now Sony Ericsson Open (Miami) organizer Butch Buchholz has announced his intention of bringing the ATP Las Vegas event to the Tampa area -- if the ATP allows entities to bid after buying the event from the Tennis Channel.

"That's an issue with the ATP, an issue with the Tennis Channel, but if there is a possibility that it is moving, we'd have an interest," Buchholz told Play Tennis Florida. "We've talked to the Saddlebrook people and we think they'd be great partners. We think the area demographically would be great; [Tampa is] the 25th largest demographic in America, and it has great potential."

Saddlebrook, in Wesley Chapel, just northeast of Tampa, is already home to U.S. players such as James Blake, the Bryan brothers, John Isner, Amer Delic and others, providing a built-in player base. On the 2009 ATP Calendar the event is reportedly still the same week as the Dubai Tennis Championships, the well-monied tournament that is not a Masters Series event, but still attracts most all of the Top 10 players by handing out large under-the-table appearance fees. Andy Roddick played Dubai rather than Las Vegas this year, and James Blake skipped both events. Moving the event to Florida would assuredly attract a good deal of American talent, in addition to possibly the top-ranked Roddick and Blake. Mardy Fish also makes his home base in Tampa.

Whether U.S. interests will have a chance to even bid on the event is another matter. The ATP is considering moving the event to South Africa to placate South African Airways, one of their major sponsors. Tennis in South Africa started bottoming out after the retirement of Wayne Ferreira, and the South Africa tennis federation is hoping to jump-start tennis nationally. South Africa had no men ranked within the Top 100 on the ATP Rankings entering the Miami event, but South African qualifier Kevin Anderson made some noise by upsetting defending champion Novak Djokovic.

The USTA watched in horror last year as the women's tour denied bidding on the for-sale San Diego event and shipped it to Beijing, lowering the U.S.'s already-scant number of events. When the USTA got wind of the ATP's intention to export yet another pro event, Arlen Kantarian, who heads the USTA's pro development, reportedly sent a terse letter to the ATP outlining his concerns. Buchholz and his staff have worked closely with the USTA over the years, at Miami and in organizing the Pilot Pen/New Haven pro event.

"If it is moved or changed there will be other people who want it also," Buchholz said. "I'm sure we would be one of many groups that would have an interest."

American players such as James Blake and Serena Williams have voiced their desire to stem the tide of pro events leaving the U.S. Williams said the high number of U.S. tournaments when she was a child watching tennis on TV got her involved in the sport.

"There are only a handful [of tournaments] in the United States [now]," Williams said. "When I was younger there were so many: Chicago, Houston, D.C., everywhere. I got to see a lot of tennis. That's how my dad got us into tennis. If you have every tournament in Europe or Asia, you're going to get more European or Asian players, as opposed to American players. I think that's the root of the problem."

As of late April, still no official word from the ATP as to the fate of the event.

Kitty de Sade
04-25-2008, 05:18 PM
Speak of the devil- this was the topic of coversation last night. Thank you for posting, Tangy. :hatoff:

Wannabeknowitall
04-25-2008, 05:43 PM
I'm sorry as an African-American I have dreamed about a tournament in South Africa again.

This is a tournament I want to see happen and if Las Vegas has to go which is IMO too chilly for tennis at the schedule it's at anyway, then so be it.

One more tournament in Africa with Fes is something the Africa deserves.
I think the USTA is being very selfish and as usual I'm dissapointed in James Blake viewpoint.

smucav
06-20-2008, 09:53 PM
http://www.atptennis.atponline.net/1/en/2008news/saa_renewal.aspSOUTH AFRICAN AIRWAYS
June 20, 2008
South African Airways Extends $20m ATP Sponsorship


The ATP today announced that South African Airways (SAA), one of the world's leading airlines, has extended its role as the official airline of the ATP for a further three and a half years in a deal worth $20 million.

As well as becoming the ATP's official airline partner through 2012, the agreement will see the continuation of SAA's sponsorship of several of the ATP Tour's prestigious international tournaments. South African Airways, a member of the Star Alliance, also provides ATP players and staff with a special travel benefit programme facilitating the year-round international travel that characterizes the global Tour.

"South African Airways is delighted to be extending its role as the official airline of the ATP," said Khaya Ngqula, CEO of SAA. "The past two years have seen a successful partnership blossom between SAA and the ATP. We are both global organizations with ambitious and far reaching plans and we look forward to continuing our partnership with great enthusiasm."

"There has never been a more exciting time for men's professional tennis and we are delighted that South African Airways share our vision for the future of our sport," said Etienne de Villiers, ATP Executive Chairman and President. "We are on the cusp of delivering our ambitious and far reaching changes to the ATP, plans that are already securing considerable interest and backing from the commercial world. I could not be more thrilled that SAA has extended its role as the Official Airline of the ATP and we look forward to continuing our successful partnership."

The ATP also announced today that a new ATP World Tour tournament in South Africa will debut in 2009. Several cities in South Africa have demonstrated a strong willingness to host the event and an announcement on the venue will be made shortly, subject to final ATP approval. The event will be promoted and run by the South African Tennis Association (SATA). The announcement that South Africa will host a new ATP tournament from 2009 onwards is a major boost for the sport in Africa and strengthens the ATP's presence in a key global market.

"We are also deeply committed to taking a leadership role in the development of professional tennis in South Africa" said Ngqula. "That is why we are delighted to be involved with SATA in bringing an ATP World Tour event to Africa from next year and look forward to what we know will be a fantastic week of world class tennis. This is a wonderful opportunity for those interested cities and venues to demonstrate their commitment to tennis in South Africa"

South Africa's number one ranked player Kevin Anderson welcomed the announcement: "I am absolutely delighted that South Africa will be hosting an ATP World Tour event next year. South African tennis fans are some of the most passionate in the world and I know the tournament will be a huge success and I look forward to competing on home soil next season."

"As the global governing body for men's tennis we are determined to ensure fans in as many countries in the world have the chance to see the stars of the ATP World Tour up close and on court and so we are happy to be increasing our number of tournaments in Africa with a new 250 level event," said Brad Drewett, CEO ATP International Region. "Anyone who has experienced the passion for sport in South Africa knows that this is exactly what this new tournament will deliver and we all look forward to hugely successful event next year."

"We are extremely pleased that the ATP World Tour will be coming to South Africa from 2009 onwards," said Ian Smith, Chief Executive Officer, South African Tennis Association. "We are delighted at the prospects of having some of the world's best players compete in our beautiful country and inspire our youth to reach new heights. This is a massive boost for the game in South Africa and we wish to thank the ATP, SAA and all the players for their tremendous support."

The ATP and SAA partnership will also see a number of exciting joint promotions on ATPtennis.com, the world's most popular tennis website and a new series of in flight tennis programmes and publications for SAA's 6.5 million annual passengers.

GuiroNl
06-20-2008, 10:38 PM
They should move the US Open to South Africa.

Seriously though, I think it's a good thing to get more exposure in Africa.

Smoke944
06-20-2008, 10:42 PM
Heh, the players will love this. Las Vegas or some city in South Africa? Tough call ;)

GuiroNl
06-20-2008, 11:09 PM
Heh, the players will love this. Las Vegas or some city in South Africa? Tough call ;)

What's wrong with Johannesburg or Cape Town?

Okonsky
06-20-2008, 11:21 PM
Heh, the players will love this. Las Vegas or some city in South Africa? Tough call ;)

Yes. What's wrong? Great country.

Deboogle!.
06-20-2008, 11:21 PM
The only reason I see it as a problem is because it has nothing to do with the fact that they actually have an altruistic plan to extend the game, they are just appeasing a big sponsor.

Okonsky
06-20-2008, 11:26 PM
The only reason I see it as a problem is because it has nothing to do with the fact that they actually have an altruistic plan to extend the game, they are just appeasing a big sponsor.

Exellent reason. I'm not interested to certain ATP event be moved to Africa, I just think Africa has to get ATP event.

Deboogle!.
06-20-2008, 11:32 PM
Yes, it is an excellent reason. Too bad it's not real :lol: they're just following the money, doing whatever SAA wants, that's why i think it's a little unfortunate. Otherwise sure, anything that helps spread the sport is good for it, hopefully this will turn out to be good despite the other motives

scoobs
06-20-2008, 11:35 PM
As soon as I saw that SA Airways had extended their sponsorship I thought this would be on the cards.

Quid pro quo.

Smoke944
06-20-2008, 11:44 PM
Yes. What's wrong? Great country.

Absolutely nothing is wrong, I know it's a great country. It's more like what's right in Las Vegas for it to be such a great tour stop.

GuiroNl
06-21-2008, 12:14 AM
The only reason I see it as a problem is because it has nothing to do with the fact that they actually have an altruistic plan to extend the game, they are just appeasing a big sponsor.

Does it matter that they don't do it 'for the right reasons'? You make a sponsor happy and you get more exposure in Africa. Seems like an OK deal to me :shrug:

Deboogle!.
06-21-2008, 01:11 AM
no it probably doesn't but it proves very clearly that the atp doesn't give a shit about anything except money, and i think that's fairly unfortunate for the sport in the long run.

fast_clay
06-21-2008, 01:28 AM
i really dont understand why the atp doesnt allow 3 tourneys a week whenever there's not a GS on MS event... if someone wants to put the money up... fuck it... let em... and let em fight to make the fukn thing make money...

i dont exactly think taking tourneys away from a country does too much... if there is money to put into a sport, then great i think...

also, if there is no 2 tournaments ready to create a 'swing' in the region... then, i dont know... one thing i do know, there aint gonna be no swing thru zimbabwe...

4GS
11 or 12 MS
3 tourney per week every other week...
only 2 mandatory MS events...
ATP = Josef Stalin Tour

the prestige of a tournament will bring a good draw...
scrapping mandatories will allow for longevity in top shelf rivalries...

i truly hate the body that runs the game... passionately... they dont give two fux... fuck off...

pricdews
06-21-2008, 07:38 AM
i really dont understand why the atp doesnt allow 3 tourneys a week whenever there's not a GS on MS event

I don't quite understand your claim. Doesn't the ATP allow 3 events just about every week that's not a GS? On weeks before Grand Slams or before a few Masters series events that happen in a row, dozens of top 100 players take the week off, thus the typical 2 events in those cases. A few other weeks have 2, but is the ATP outlawing a 3rd in those cases? Is the ATP really holding back any events that would pay out ATP level money?

Purple Rainbow
06-21-2008, 08:49 AM
What's wrong with Johannesburg or Cape Town?

Obviously, you've never been to Jo'Burg...

Cape Town would be all right for an ATP event.

fast_clay
06-21-2008, 10:41 PM
I don't quite understand your claim. Doesn't the ATP allow 3 events just about every week that's not a GS? On weeks before Grand Slams or before a few Masters series events that happen in a row, dozens of top 100 players take the week off, thus the typical 2 events in those cases. A few other weeks have 2, but is the ATP outlawing a 3rd in those cases? Is the ATP really holding back any events that would pay out ATP level money?

true enough this year... even 4 in a week post wimbledon due to the olympics...

yet... the three tournaments immediately preceeding the US open do not suffer such crowding...

why is this...?

without going into detail about why it would be silly for a player to go play a swing in another part of the world just before the US open... cos thats obvious... but, what if a series of events were to rival the USO series...

would it run...?

and why would it not be allowed to run if it the money were to be put up...?



so many questions i have...

pricdews
06-21-2008, 11:02 PM
and why would it not be allowed to run if it the money were to be put up...?



Again I must ask, are you so sure it wouldn't be allowed? Maybe noone is willing to put up such money because most have figured out it wouldn't work?

Garson007
06-21-2008, 11:14 PM
I think if Emperor's Palace pulls off a good Davis Cup tie I can't see anyone else getting this tournament.

fast_clay
06-21-2008, 11:42 PM
Again I must ask, are you so sure it wouldn't be allowed? Maybe noone is willing to put up such money because most have figured out it wouldn't work?

perhaps...

perhaps, as i said earlier, the atp wants 'swings' in a region, not one off events...

stopover events from one continent to the next are the way for the one off tourney...

shotgun
06-22-2008, 01:38 AM
This will go down as one of the very few good things De Villiers has done to the tour.

GustavoM_Fan
06-22-2008, 02:03 AM
maybe is truth ATP only thinks in money but at least is a
good idea..

Usa has a lot of tournaments (GS, MS, ATP, CH, etc)