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What will happen in the clay season?

Johnny Groove
03-24-2008, 02:56 AM
Now that IW has finished, and Miami is likely to have a similar is not exact result, we must now look to the clay season.

Can nadal continue his absolute domination?

Can Federer defend his points, remember that he won H-burg, finals in RG, and finals in mc

What can djokovic do on the clay? can he translate his fine play there or is he a clay mug?

Branimir
03-24-2008, 02:59 AM
Djokovic is not clay mug by any means. Semis and 1/4 at RG last two years (both times losing to Nadal) is not mug. :)

l_mac
03-24-2008, 03:18 AM
Nole will be dominant.

Of he wins less than 2 MS + RG I will be amazed and DISGUSTED.

TMJordan
03-24-2008, 03:19 AM
Nole will win 2 MS forsure, Mugo will win 1. Federer will suck. Nadal will be a pig and Fish will be a god.

RagingLamb
03-24-2008, 03:47 AM
I want to see the return of Nadal. It's sad to see him like this

FedFan_2007
03-24-2008, 03:50 AM
Actually no one is entitled to win any events. The ATP is dog eat dog world. The most fit, motivated wins the day.

Clay Death
03-24-2008, 04:00 AM
Actually no one is entitled to win any events. The ATP is dog eat dog world. The most fit, motivated wins the day.


that about sums it up.

NinaNina19
03-24-2008, 04:21 AM
Murray will win 3 titles.

NinaNina19
03-24-2008, 04:22 AM
Why can't the WTA be a... 03-24-2008 12:13 AM Branimir Hahaha. But you would suck his dick anyway, wouldn't you?

No

Kolya
03-24-2008, 04:36 AM
Federer will be more vulnerable on clay IMO.

Corey Feldman
03-24-2008, 04:39 AM
IMO Nadal still wins the events he owns: Monte Carlo, Barcelona, Italian Open and French Open

he might struggle more that the last 3 years - in the sense that he might lose a set every 2-3 rounds

Nole will make a few Semis and maybe a Final

Federer will bomb at QF's and less and tell us he cares more about Wimbledon anyway

Murray - i'm saying nothing :tape:

Roddick - 1st and 2nd rounds

the dark horses will be Almagro and Monaco.



Why can't the WTA be a... 03-24-2008 12:13 AM Branimir Hahaha. But you would suck his dick anyway, wouldn't you?

No:eek::mad: Bran

Clay Death
03-24-2008, 04:42 AM
IMO Nadal still wins the events he owns: Monte Carlo, Barcelona, Italian Open and French Open

he might struggle more that the last 3 years - in the sense that he might lose a set every 2-3 rounds

Nole will make a few Semis and maybe a Final

Federer will bomb at QF's and less and tell us he cares more about Wimbledon anyway

Murray - i'm saying nothing :tape:

Roddick - 1st and 2nd rounds

the dark horses will be Almagro and Monaco.



:eek::mad: Bran

i like your style of thinking.

NinaNina19
03-24-2008, 04:48 AM
IMO Nadal still wins the events he owns: Monte Carlo, Barcelona, Italian Open and French Open

he might struggle more that the last 3 years - in the sense that he might lose a set every 2-3 rounds

Nole will make a few Semis and maybe a Final

Federer will bomb at QF's and less and tell us he cares more about Wimbledon anyway

Murray - i'm saying nothing :tape:

Roddick - 1st and 2nd rounds

the dark horses will be Almagro and Monaco.



:eek::mad: BranMurray will do well, I promise you :kiss:.

leng jai
03-24-2008, 04:51 AM
Haas will win get to the RG final and withdraw with a stubbed toe.

Corey Feldman
03-24-2008, 05:05 AM
So confident that i just went and put $1 v-cash on Rafa to win Roland Garros (and covered with $1 on Almagro and Monaco just incase Rafa slips up)

with Blaze taking up the first 10 or so bets :lol:

BlueSwan
03-24-2008, 05:13 AM
Here's my prediction, but bear in mind that my predictions are almost always wrong:

Nadal wins Monte Carlo, Barcelona and Rome and the trot but is sensible enough to drop out of Hamburg. He then proceeds to win Roland Garros.

Federer wins Estoril, loses early at Monte Carlo, makes the quarters of Rome and wins Hamburg. Then makes it to the semis of RG before losing to Nadal (who'll only be the third seed at this point!).

Djokovic is the losing finalist of Monte Carlo, makes the semis of Rome and the semis of Hamburg. He's the #2 seed for RG and makes it to the semis.

After RG the race for #1 will be almost even between the top 3.

Clay Death
03-24-2008, 05:13 AM
Haas will win get to the RG final and withdraw with a stubbed toe.


or withdraw due to a mosquito bite. he has taken withdrawing and made it into an art form.

Junior
03-24-2008, 05:22 AM
im pretty sure that during clay season they will play touraments on clay, there will be one winner at each event and 31, 63 or 127 losers (depends on the event) other than that no one knows.

Ackms421
03-24-2008, 06:45 AM
hey, newsflash everyone: Federer ain't winnin nothin on clay this year or making any clay-slam finals...

the guy who hasn't made a hardcourt final yet, three months into the year, who is struggling with movement and fitness and dropping his groundies in the middle of the court like Nadal does on an off-day is NOT defending all those clay points...

...please...

...and, I don't deny that the mono has something (a lot?) to do with it, but the why doesn't matter...the "it" is that Federer is not himself and full-speed Fed was a distant second to Nadal on clay...he is a shell of himself, and at anything less than fullspeed, his game ain't winnin' anything on that red clay...

Clay Death
03-24-2008, 06:56 AM
hey, newsflash everyone: Federer ain't winnin nothin on clay this year or making any clay-slam finals...

the guy who hasn't made a hardcourt final yet, three months into the year, who is struggling with movement and fitness and dropping his groundies in the middle of the court like Nadal does on an off-day is NOT defending all those clay points...

...please...

...and, I don't deny that the mono has something (a lot?) to do with it, but the why doesn't matter...the "it" is that Federer is not himself and full-speed Fed was a distant second to Nadal on clay...he is a shell of himself, and at anything less than fullspeed, his game ain't winnin' anything on that red clay...

you may end up being right if the effects of this damn ilness linger on. i am already predicting that he will withdraw from Miami Masters and go get some rest to recover for the long grueling clay season coming right up.

we need more info. lest see what happens in Miami.

Sean.J.S.
03-24-2008, 07:10 AM
Rafa will dominate again. :shrug: Isn't it simple?

helgagonzalez
03-24-2008, 07:38 AM
Haas will win get to the RG final and withdraw with a stubbed toe.

:lol::lol::lol:
I know what you mean... someone should look at the stats already and see if Haas is surpassing someone's record of the most number of matches withdrawn... :rolls:

imo, Nadal will still rule the clay season... maybe he will miss one or two titles but there's no doubt that Rafa would still prevail especially at RG!!! :yeah:

FedFan_2007
03-24-2008, 07:40 AM
Nah, Del Pony is the retirement king.

FedFan_2007
03-24-2008, 07:41 AM
BTW, does anyone doubt that Djoko would've withdrawn from a slam if he mono? That Roger guts it out to the end, no matter what the result speaks volumes about his professionalism.

Bascule
03-24-2008, 08:03 AM
Rafa wins at least the two of three: Monte Carlo, Barcelona and Rome.
Rafa takes RG (Novak plays with Rafa the final).
And Rafa becomes #1!!!

Action Jackson
03-24-2008, 08:37 AM
Linda is right.

To make the clay season more interesting. Nadal should be blindfolded, play with his right hand and have one serve.

Adler
03-24-2008, 08:43 AM
- Nadal : still the best. RG + 1 or 2 MS shields in the bag, including Barcelona, cause he simply owns these Spaniards

- Djokovic : takes the rest of the fruits, with a MS shiels and RG final

- Federer : going far in every big tournament, maybe backing it up with Hamburg victory

- Nalbandian : duh, you never know

- Murray : an enigma on clay. He certainly has the game, but lacks serious experience

- dark horses : maybe some old guns can do damage once more (Massu, Lapentti, Canas)

Hank777
03-24-2008, 10:06 AM
I think Nadal will take the front runner position as we can assume from him.



Not sure about Djoker, it be amazing if he could translate his current form to the Clay, but I wonder, if he sometimes has a fitness issue, than the clay on a hot sunny day, could be tough on him. I would not mind seeing him do well.



The Clay-Sluggers, whom we hardly see prominently during the hardcourt (or brief Grass season) will show up in big numbers as usual.



FEDEX, will remain a question for me ... I think he will still do okay, but I doubt he will go all the way into the final alongside Nadal like in the previous years, but who knows.


Should be an interesting Clay season !! :) :cool:

I want to see the return of Nadal. It's sad to see him like thisWhy, he made a Semi at the AO ( a first ) struggled a bit but had some good victories I don't think he's been doing all that bad, do you ?

I guess a HC title would have been nice though ... there's still Miami ... :) ... even though the Djoker is on the prowl.

Adler
03-24-2008, 10:24 AM
I should write "and Barcelona" instead of "including", it's not MS event. My mistake

Action Jackson
03-24-2008, 10:26 AM
I should write "and Barcelona" instead of "including", it's not MS event. My mistake

Barcelona is quite a high standard event. I mean it's not as good as Houston.

About the clay season, all I will say is that dreams are free.

scarecrows
03-24-2008, 10:27 AM
Nadal will not be as dominant as before. he should still be the one to win more points, but i doubt it'll be 4 titles+1 final

Djokovic will win a Master, maybe Rome

Federer will make a SF at best in the important tournaments

Almagro will do some damage

*bunny*
03-24-2008, 10:42 AM
I think Rafa will be the man to beat on clay again, but we have to take in account that this year's clay season is a week shorter due to the Olympics, so if he is to defend Monte Carlo, Barcelona and Rome, he will have to win three weeks in a row. I think he's capable of doing the feat, but it will be very tough for sure. (Actually, the field in Barcelona may not be as strong as usual...It's an excellent event and is very important for Spanish players, but I suspect many players pulling out especially if they go deep in the draw in MC and Valencia/Estoril in the previous week, to save energy for Rome. This may help make the job easier for Rafa if he does play there.) If Rafa wins the hat trick, then he will surely pull out from Hamburg.
Fed is likely to win Estoril, or he had better win there because the field is not very strong.
Djokovic will win his share of matches, but I'm not sure if he will win any of the clay masters events. He does look stronger, but I won't be surprised if he gets exhausted in some of the matches during the gruelling clay season. Maybe he and Fed can compete for the Hamburg title.
Players to watch: Almagro, Nalbandian, Monaco, Ferrero, Ferrer, Moya, Starace.

Xavidbz
03-24-2008, 10:43 AM
Nadal, Federer, Djokovic, Nalbandian, Murray, Almagro, Monaco... but, what about Ferrer? What's going to happen this year? He's defending quarters in MC and Hamburg and semis in Barcelona, but I'm sure that if he plays as he did back in 2005 (winning Valencia, quarters in MC and semis in Rome being really close to beat Nadal) he'll be able to reach further rounds. Curious to see that in only one week, Fish is like a GOAT, and nobody remembers Ferrer, just because one reached the final and the other one lost in the third round. Memory please!

Exodus
03-24-2008, 10:57 AM
nadal days as a dominant force on clay is over losing all his titles on clay. Oh boy I can't wait

Mateya
03-24-2008, 11:01 AM
Almagro will do some damage

Yeah, I hope he finally does. People were talking about it already last year.

If he doesnt make at least one or two QF in those MS he really is one Mugro. I would rather see him in SF of Rome than winning his Valencia title for the 3rd time in a row. It's maybe a curse :)

Renaud
03-24-2008, 11:05 AM
Federer will take Estoril, and Hamburg make MC 1/2 and Rome final
Nadal will take MonteCarlo and Barcelona. Make Rome 1/2 and Hamburg final.
Djokovic will win Rome, reach MC final, and lose early in Hamburg against Kohlschreiber or any german mug (like he lost to French mugs in Bercy and Marseille).
Ferrer will be a regular semi finalist / quarter finalist but will lose early (R3) in RG against Lopez, Verdasco or Andreev.
Roddick will reach Poertschach 1/2 and jcempire will claim Roddick will win RG. Unfortunately the draw will be too tough for him and he will lose against Werner Eschauer in R1. The Austrian player will tell Roddick is on the good way and now almost as good as Bob Bryan on clay.

Roland Garros:
4 First seed in RG 1/2:
Federer (1) will beat Nadal (3) in 5 exhausting sets.
Davydenko (4) will prove more regular than Djokovic (2) and win in 4 solid sets

Davydenko wins his first (and only) GS, 7/5 7/6 7/6. Federer served for the set everytime but choked.

Adler
03-24-2008, 11:12 AM
Davydenko wins his first (and only) GS, 7/5 7/6 7/6. Federer served for the set everytime but choked.
Keep dreaming :) Kolya truly playes great on clay, but it seems he's got not enough cojones to win a big tournament

How do you rate Gasquet's, Berdych's ad Fena's chances, folks? These three are always an enigma, they can lose to journeymen or advance to a SF or higher

Action Jackson
03-24-2008, 11:21 AM
Barcelona is indeed a high standard tournament. I love how you pretty much only see clay courters in action, as none of the "HC only" players are compelled to attend. Besides, the trophy is truly a sight to behold. It's a good thing Nadal wins every year--he's probably the only one strong enough to lift the damn thing.

http://www.protennisfan.com/images/nadal_barcelona_trophy_1.jpg

Usually Barcelona get some clay clowns who are there for the city life, parties and the culture.

Many greats have won this event.

leng jai
03-24-2008, 11:28 AM
I am expecting big things from Ferrer despite his recent faulty form.

Stefwhit
03-24-2008, 11:28 AM
I think Fed's going to have a much harder time defending his points in the clay season than Nadal will. With that said, I don't think it's going to be as easy for Nadal as some of his other fans do. When it's all said and done I expect Rafa to have come away from the clay season with the most points won, but I don't think it will be as dominating as years passed- I would love to be wrong and see him go unbeaten again, the good ol' dayz...

virex
03-24-2008, 11:30 AM
moonballing

FedererSlam
03-24-2008, 11:58 AM
Everyone is pretty sure FEderer is bombing out early at every tournament or getting to the SF if he has a brilliant day huh. He's having a shit year and he's no.4 in the race. Just as Nadal has been the distant no.1 on clay for the past 3 or so years Federer has been the distant no.2 on clay for 2 years...he's going to be making semi's, finals and wins....also Djoko is the unproven quantity on clay and has played alot of tennis already this year and has always had fitness problems...

Jaap
03-24-2008, 12:09 PM
The three MS, Barcelona and Roland Garos will be shared between Ginepri, Isner and Dancevic. Nadal might sneak a MM title somewhere if one of these three decide to tank.

virex
03-24-2008, 12:12 PM
you forgot fish!!

stebs
03-24-2008, 12:27 PM
Nadal will win a fourth MC, Barcelona and RG. I think he will lose a few points by failing to win Rome. One of the Italian tournament and Hamburg will be won by Djokovic and the other by Federer. The RG finalist will be one of Djokovic or Federer. Davydenko will choke at some stage against one of Federer and Nadal at RG. Almagro will get some good wins at an AMS, get overhyped and crash out to A. Mug at the French.

Xavidbz
03-24-2008, 12:32 PM
Barcelona is indeed a high standard tournament. I love how you pretty much only see clay courters in action, as none of the "HC only" players are compelled to attend. Besides, the trophy is truly a sight to behold. It's a good thing Nadal wins every year--he's probably the only one strong enough to lift the damn thing.

Yes, I had been thinking about that too. Barcelona is the clay highest-quality tournament at which "only HC" players don't have the obligation to participate. That makes the tournament a clay-court specialists battle: Nadal-Starace, Moya-Mantilla, Ferrer-Nalbandian, Chela-Starace, Nalbandian-Moya, Feli-Robredo, Calleri-King Oscar, Nadal-Ferrer, Robredo-Calleri, Cañas-Calleri, Cañas-Nadal... and that was only matches of last year's event. :eek:

desigundah
03-24-2008, 12:44 PM
1. Roger Federer: Federer will struggle more than ever on the red dirt. He now is not the 2nd best player on the surface, he's atleast the 3rd, if not the 4th best after Nalbandian. Quite unfortunate, but I doubt theres anyway he wins a clay court event this year.

2. Rafael Nadal: Nadal will probably still be the class on clay. Nole will push him some, but before Djokovic proves otherwise, Nadal is still, as he is known best, the king of clay and I look him to win the majority of the tournaments he enters. This will also give him a great chance of becoming world #1 right after Roland Garros ends.

3. Novak Djokovic: If Nole can make a push to the top on clay, then theres no question that he's the best player in the world. I still don't think he'll be able to dethrone Rafa, but he may quickly continue to move up the ranks.

4. David Ferrer: Ferrer seems to have really taken a step back after his performance in Shanghai. Clay is supposed to be his best surface, but he looks worn out and tired.

5. David Nalbandian: Fat Dave looks to have regained some of his confidence, and even though he hasn't been as good as he was in Paris and Madrid, he's going to be a force on clay.

Really sad though to see Federer basically become what he has become now: Just another name in the field. Maybe I'm wrong and he'll turn things around, but his dominant days look to be over, and this didn't start in Australia this year. It all started last year w/ the Canas chronicles, then the bare escape against Rafa at Wimbledon, the back to back losses to Nalbandian in Paris and Madrid, and even though he won Shanghai, the lapse against Gonzo. I know thats nit picking some, but that was clearly a sign of things to come. Now, you have to wonder if he's going to pull out a grand slam this year or not.

Burrow
03-24-2008, 01:24 PM
Federer will win the French Open.

Xristos
03-24-2008, 01:28 PM
Federer will win the French Open.

Ditto.

MrExcel
03-24-2008, 01:29 PM
Mardy Fish will do the Monte-Carlo - Rome - Hamburg triple.

Hank777
03-24-2008, 01:33 PM
NO Offense, BUT this thread already exits ...

http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=119971

Best of Luck ! :p

tennizen
03-24-2008, 01:36 PM
I think Nadal win RG, MC lose in the finals in Barcelona and Rome. Djokovic might reach semi-finals/or one final at the clay tourneys but will not win. Federer will not reach RG final but will probably win Rome and make it to semi or final of Hamburg. Nalbandian will be the other finalist at RG(assuming he is in the top half). Ferrer/Almagro will win Barcelona.

dejosav
03-24-2008, 02:05 PM
I would like to see Davydenko playing his best without choking, Nalby and Ferrer in form and Nole to at least defend his clay points . Rafa winning two MS and RG

zcess81
03-24-2008, 02:10 PM
BTW, does anyone doubt that Djoko would've withdrawn from a slam if he mono? That Roger guts it out to the end, no matter what the result speaks volumes about his professionalism.


Yeah, and then he whines when he loses. Very professional indeed.

Grunge
03-24-2008, 02:17 PM
I think Nole will play only 3 masters + RG in clay season. I guess he will make 2 QF + 1 SF on AMS, and on RG he will play either SF or final...depends on draw (there is chance Nadal will be #3 seed).

Nadal will dominate again, he will take 2 AMS titles, he will win Barcelona, and he will skip 1 AMS. He will win RG too.

Federer will win 1 AMS title, and get to RG SF or final (depends on draw).

Nalbandian will have nice clay season, but he will not win a title, and he will reach QF of RG at most.

Andy Murray will play RG QF, and he will have good results at AMS (something like Nole last year, or even better).

maconick
03-24-2008, 02:17 PM
TSONGA??? Can He Play On The Red Dirt

Adler
03-24-2008, 02:24 PM
you forgot fish!!
Good point. If Todd Martin was able to win Barcelona, why not Fish? :)

Adler
03-24-2008, 02:43 PM
NO Offense, BUT this thread already exits
Was just about to write the same. Remember people : use search engine (or at least look on the main page) - it is here for a reason ;)

Mansave_75
03-24-2008, 02:45 PM
Nadal is going to win Monte Carlo, Barcelona, Rome, Hamburg and Roland Garros.

Adler
03-24-2008, 02:47 PM
Nadal is going to win Monte Carlo, Barcelona, Rome, Hamburg and Roland Garros.
Not impossible. There are only two questions
1) Djokovic?
2) Nalbandian?

Grunge
03-24-2008, 02:54 PM
Nadal is going to win Monte Carlo, Barcelona, Rome, Hamburg and Roland Garros.

Do you realize that in order to win MC, Rome, Barcelona and Hamburg he needs to play week after week for whole month? This year those tournaments are played this way because of Olympics.

gnaz
03-24-2008, 03:09 PM
Federer will be a non-factor during clay season because he will have the lingering effects of the mono for the next 6 months, i know because I once had this illness and the side effects stay in your body for many many months... look at Ancic.....

gnaz
03-24-2008, 03:11 PM
BTW, either Nadal or Djokovic will win the big one: the FO this year....

DDrago2
03-24-2008, 03:15 PM
People are not so affraid of Nadal even on clay anymore so we can expect a bit different atmosphere during the clay season

I believe Nadal will fail to defend all the points but will prove again to be the best on clay - but I am not sure he has RG in the bag

DDrago2
03-24-2008, 03:19 PM
Nadal the favourite in every tournament he enters, RG will be the toughest

Federer has chances for RG only if he becomes healthy and in top form

Djokovic might think too much about Wimbledon and is still an unknown on clay

Other candidates for RG trophy include only Davydenko and maybe Nalbandian IMHO, I don't believe Ferrer can do it

gnaz
03-24-2008, 03:20 PM
BTW, does anyone doubt that Djoko would've withdrawn from a slam if he mono? That Roger guts it out to the end, no matter what the result speaks volumes about his professionalism.

Agree, Roger is a great champion :cool::cool::cool:

Xavidbz
03-24-2008, 03:39 PM
People are not so afraid of Nadal even on clay anymore so we can expect a bit different atmosphere during the clay season.

Why not so afraid? Because he lost in Hamburg? :confused: If I was a tennis player I would be really really afraid of him on clay. You know, maybe a 105-3 record since 2005 and three Barcelona, two Stuttgart, one Acapuclo, one Costa do Sauípe, 6 AMS and 3 RG titles can scare you a little bit. :rolleyes:

gnaz
03-24-2008, 04:19 PM
1. Roger Federer: Federer will struggle more than ever on the red dirt. He now is not the 2nd best player on the surface, he's atleast the 3rd, if not the 4th best after Nalbandian. Quite unfortunate, but I doubt theres anyway he wins a clay court event this year.

2. Rafael Nadal: Nadal will probably still be the class on clay. Nole will push him some, but before Djokovic proves otherwise, Nadal is still, as he is known best, the king of clay and I look him to win the majority of the tournaments he enters. This will also give him a great chance of becoming world #1 right after Roland Garros ends.

3. Novak Djokovic: If Nole can make a push to the top on clay, then theres no question that he's the best player in the world. I still don't think he'll be able to dethrone Rafa, but he may quickly continue to move up the ranks.

4. David Ferrer: Ferrer seems to have really taken a step back after his performance in Shanghai. Clay is supposed to be his best surface, but he looks worn out and tired.

5. David Nalbandian: Fat Dave looks to have regained some of his confidence, and even though he hasn't been as good as he was in Paris and Madrid, he's going to be a force on clay.

Really sad though to see Federer basically become what he has become now: Just another name in the field. Maybe I'm wrong and he'll turn things around, but his dominant days look to be over, and this didn't start in Australia this year. It all started last year w/ the Canas chronicles, then the bare escape against Rafa at Wimbledon, the back to back losses to Nalbandian in Paris and Madrid, and even though he won Shanghai, the lapse against Gonzo. I know thats nit picking some, but that was clearly a sign of things to come. Now, you have to wonder if he's going to pull out a grand slam this year or not.

Agree.

Sunset of Age
03-24-2008, 04:28 PM
Funny to see people making predictions on who will be playing well on clay and who will not - while there's absolutely NO INDICATION of any of these players' forms on that particular surface yet.

Wait till the clay season starts, watch the first tournament(s) and THEN start making predictions.

siddy
03-24-2008, 04:34 PM
Funny to see people making predictions on who will be playing well on clay and who will not - while there's absolutely NO INDICATION of any of these players' forms on that particular surface yet.

Wait till the clay season starts, watch the first tournament(s) and THEN start making predictions.

I agree. I read the first point (on Federer) and I threw my hands up in the air. Did he stage a secret exhibition match on clay this year? I don't know how we're talking about him not being the second best player on clay this year even before the season has begun.

Manon
03-24-2008, 05:10 PM
A see all Spaniards, Argentinians and Gonzo to win title by title...

If Novak cannot I hope Nalbadian will win it all.

sheeter
03-24-2008, 05:26 PM
Claydeath hasn't said something yet? i'm surprised.

Clay Death
03-24-2008, 05:39 PM
Claydeath hasn't said something yet? i'm surprised.


there has been a thread about this already. there is really not much to say. Nadal has a major challenge in front of him. if he can just bag Monte Carlo, he is safely out of the woods and should be on his way to hurting them all. he has taken enough beating at their hands on hard courts so it is time for payback.

i think Fed will look to run into Djokovic on dirt so he can get a win or 2 against him and reverse the psychological damage. Fed is going to be playing an extra clay event in Estoril so we should be able to get a good handle on his form.

peterparker
03-24-2008, 06:05 PM
Nadal to win every tournament he enters. Bring on the boluda kid. :)

Parker

FedFan_2007
03-24-2008, 09:19 PM
Buzza - I'm waiting for Estoril to start judging Fed's clay form.

arm
03-24-2008, 09:27 PM
:devil: nadal is only winning hamburg...

just kidding... but wouldnt it be funny??? :wavey:

Clay Death
03-24-2008, 09:32 PM
Buzza - I'm waiting for Estoril to start judging Fed's clay form.


starts on april 14th. Fed is going to have an upper hand over Nadal in terms of preparation going into Monte Carlo.

this is one of the reasons why i think Nadal may be vulnerable in Monte Carlo. he goes there while in a slump and no preparation.

if he (Nadal) can safely navigate the waters there, he is home free. there will be no stopping the Clay Monster from that point on.

Clay Death
03-24-2008, 10:04 PM
this just in. Guga will get to roam the famed red clay in Monte Carlo:

http://www.tennisnews.com/exclusive.php?pID=24306

Mansave_75
03-24-2008, 11:25 PM
Not impossible. There are only two questions
1) Djokovic?
2) Nalbandian?

Djokovic is not a serious rival for Nadal on clay, I don't expect any Djokovic clay title as he has pull out from Estoril this year so far.

The Freak
03-24-2008, 11:27 PM
Nadal will dominate and will win Roland Garros over Djokovic.

Clay Death
03-24-2008, 11:30 PM
Why not so afraid? Because he lost in Hamburg? :confused: If I was a tennis player I would be really really afraid of him on clay. You know, maybe a 105-3 record since 2005 and three Barcelona, two Stuttgart, one Acapuclo, one Costa do Sauípe, 6 AMS and 3 RG titles can scare you a little bit. :rolleyes:


once he bags the Monte Carlo title, the fear factor is back on.

vincayou
03-24-2008, 11:30 PM
Tsonga and Murray will dominate the clay season. Easy.

Clay Death
03-24-2008, 11:32 PM
Tsonga and Murray will dominate the clay season. Easy.

i heard they just wanted to be ball boys during the clay season. and carry Nadal`s bags.

arm
03-24-2008, 11:38 PM
Tsonga and Murray will dominate the clay season. Easy.

:haha::haha:

do you actually believe in that??

ltaravilse
03-24-2008, 11:54 PM
The three MS will be for Nalbandian, Djokovic and Guga.
Federer will make 3 finals and Rafa will make 3 semis, and Santoro will win RG

LinkMage
03-25-2008, 01:53 AM
Federer will be a non factor on clay. He can't win a baseline rally to save his life these days.

Action Jackson
03-25-2008, 01:55 AM
this just in. Guga will get to roam the famed red clay in Monte Carlo:

http://www.tennisnews.com/exclusive.php?pID=24306

Old news, has been known for a while. You need to keep up.

Aloimeh
03-25-2008, 02:00 AM
Well, for what it's worth, this is what Drucker had to say:

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/tennis/news/story?id=3309410

As the clock passed 1 p.m. on a warm and dry afternoon in the Coachella Valley, the menu for semifinal Saturday at the Pacific Life Open was quite appetizing.



First up, Novak Djokovic and Rafael Nadal, followed by Roger Federer and Mardy Fish. The first three are holders of the four Grand Slam titles, while Fish is a resurging American with a pleasing all-court game.



Who'd have thought Nadal and Federer would be eliminated by 4:15, each thoroughly waxed 6-3, 6-2?



It was hard to imagine two titans could be beaten so swiftly -- until one remembered that the same thing had happened at the same stage earlier this year at the Australian Open.



Changing of the guard? Not quite. Shifting of the guard? Absolutely.



Since 2005, Federer and Nadal have dominated tennis, between them taking 11 straight Grand Slams and 19 of 27 Tennis Masters titles. But the ascent of Djokovic has turned the top into a three-man race.



Once one man's in, maybe others can draw hope.



"Novak's not just a great player, he's a great personality," said Pacific Life Open tournament director Charlie Pasarell. If at one point Djokovic's impersonations of many pros vexed the understated Federer, these days it's his racket that's talking even louder.



In beating Federer in Australia and Nadal in Indian Wells, Djokovic has uncovered -- remarkably and proficiently -- signs of passivity in both the Swiss and the Spaniard. "Djokovic can drive through the ball and penetrate through the court," said Hall of Famer Pancho Segura during the semifinals Saturday. "His game is so complete, he can really hurt people in a lot of ways."



Nadal had beaten Djokovic in the final of the Pacific Life Open a year ago. But Saturday's semifinal was quite revealing. Though Nadal is as fierce, engaging and classy a competitor as tennis has ever seen, the limitations of a game based on topspin, court coverage and attrition become woefully apparent anywhere but clay. "It's tough when you stand that far behind the baseline and a guy like Djokovic can take time away from you," said Segura. By the end of their match, Nadal's technique was in tatters.



As Nadal said after the match, "He plays very inside the court. He always beats me the position inside the court easier than I can do against him. With his backhand, cross backhand, it is bothering me a lot. & He [positions himself] inside the court very easy, and that's very difficult when you're playing with these fast balls. He can do it, so that's exceptional quality."



Djokovic's ability to handle Nadal's crosscourt topspin forehand -- the shot that's been the deal breaker in Nadal's ability to beat Federer at Roland Garros -- could have significant consequences anywhere the two meet, including European clay.



In many ways, Fish applied the same kind of pressure to Federer. Like Djokovic, Fish has a compact, forceful backhand that can generate effective pace and depth. The 26-year-old Florida resident's improved forehand and powerful serving also kept Federer continually on his heels.



Said Federer, "I couldn't do much today, and these matches sometimes come around. I'm surprised myself it hasn't happened more in the last five years, you know. You always think one guy can outright dominate you on any given day. People weren't able to do it against me, so that speaks for myself. But today Mardy was really impossible to beat, it almost looked like."



Yet as the Fish onslaught continued, it was staggering to see Federer fail to change his tactics. Gracious as he was to credit Fish, Federer in the second set of his defeat was curiously stubborn, as if it were easier to be resigned to his fate than attempt to alter the flow with the various paces, spins and court positioning that have made him such a supreme champion.



But if in his mind Federer could write off Fish's effort as a one-off, there's no doubting Djokovic's stature. Still, more importantly, in prying open the door, Djokovic has given tactical insight to many of his peers. Yes, there are ways to beat Federer and Nadal. How well the Swiss and the Spaniard respond to these challenges figures to be a fascinating story over the next six months. Different as they are in so many ways, each has won as a baseliner, comfortably dictating play. But with Djokovic -- and maybe others -- able to trade blows and even force the action, perhaps the time has come for Federer and Nadal to add more offense -- for Federer to approach the net more and Nadal to look to attack more with his serve and return.



As Segura said, "You better make yourself better or do more with your game. That's why it's called competition."

Kolya
03-25-2008, 02:36 AM
Waiting for Estoril.

Clay Death
03-25-2008, 02:46 AM
Old news, has been known for a while. You need to keep up.


who can keep up with you anyway? you know too much.

Xristos
03-25-2008, 02:50 AM
Estoril starts on the 14th, when does MC start?

Clay Death
03-25-2008, 03:00 AM
Estoril starts on the 14th, when does MC start?


april 21-27.

Xristos
03-25-2008, 03:04 AM
april 21-27.

Cheers. So after MC theres Barcelona then Roma.

Should be a great clay season.

Bad Religion
03-25-2008, 03:08 AM
The easiest for Nadal will be Roland Garros . Nobody can defeat him in a 5 sets match on the red stuff

schorsch
03-25-2008, 03:29 AM
Maybe this will help : http://www.file-upload.net/download-744701/Atp-clay-season-top3.xls.html

An excel I made about Nole, Fedi and Rafa on the clay season.

I hope Nole has a big breakthrough on clay this year.

dan_the_man1983
03-25-2008, 07:00 AM
Nadal will continue his dominance on the red dust.

Federer I feel wont get anywhere this year.

Djokovic I think will make the final of RG, providing he dosen't bump into Nadal on the way.

leng jai
03-25-2008, 07:15 AM
Nadal will continue his dominance on the red dust.

Federer I feel wont get anywhere this year.

Djokovic I think will make the final of RG, providing he dosen't bump into Nadal on the way.

You make some bold predictions.

vincayou
03-25-2008, 10:15 AM
Djokovic won't pass the 1st round of a single tournament.

gnaz
03-25-2008, 02:44 PM
The easiest for Nadal will be Roland Garros . Nobody can defeat him in a 5 sets match on the red stuff

True. Not even Nole with his dubious stamina and asthma can last that long on clay....

gnaz
03-25-2008, 02:47 PM
Federer will be a non factor on clay. He can't win a baseline rally to save his life these days.

So true :mad:

gnaz
03-25-2008, 02:49 PM
Nadal will dominate and will win Roland Garros over Djokovic.

Agree.


The final of the FO will be: Nadal vs Nole

Ranger
03-25-2008, 03:04 PM
Nadal is the big favourite. He must win the clay tournaments, specially French Open.

Clay Season, come on! :)

Mansave_75
03-25-2008, 03:14 PM
Nadal is going to win all on clay from Monte Carlo to Paris.

gnaz
03-25-2008, 03:20 PM
Rafa will beat Nole in the final of RG.

Clay Death
03-25-2008, 03:33 PM
Nadal is going to win all on clay from Monte Carlo to Paris.


he is committed to Davis Cup in Germany just before Monte Carlo. he is not going to have enough time to get ready for the clay season.

lets hope he can find a way to win Monte Carlo anyway. once Monte Carlo is in the bag, there will be no stopping him.

vamos

Action Jackson
04-05-2008, 06:50 PM
Djokovic won't pass the 1st round of a single tournament.

He will have Byes, therefore avoiding the 1st round except at RG.

One thing Nadal's career ending injury will be fine for the clay season and we'll hear how he is better than Borg, Lendl, Wilander, Muster, Kuerten, Vilas and Burguera combined to the power of 99999999999999999999999.

Johnny Groove
04-05-2008, 06:54 PM
He will have Byes, therefore avoiding the 1st round except at RG.

One thing Nadal's career ending injury will be fine for the clay season and we'll hear how he is better than Borg, Lendl, Wilander, Muster, Kuerten, Vilas and Burguera combined to the power of 99999999999999999999999.

Maybe not to that extent, but if Nadal sweeps the clay season for an astounding 4th straight year, would you say he'd be the #2 clay courter of all time? Or has he still got some work to do?

Action Jackson
04-05-2008, 06:59 PM
Maybe not to that extent, but if Nadal sweeps the clay season for an astounding 4th straight year, would you say he'd be the #2 clay courter of all time? Or has he still got some work to do?

Jon, you wrote the MTF laws and you know what this place is like. How the same things happen, just the timing is different and we are coming into the next phase and this is the Nadal phase.

Answering your question, it's still no.

Corey Feldman
04-05-2008, 07:03 PM
Will Nadal lose more than 1 set at Roland Garros? doubt it

if Murray makes the last 8 of any of the big 4 clay events - Corretja is a genuis.

Merton
04-05-2008, 07:10 PM
I will make some daring predictions here:

-There will be a lot of seasonal posters to reappear again, proclaiming the greatness of Nadal.
-Djokovic trolls will expect him to sweep all the big titles on clay and will disappear if that does not happen.
-Ron will bump his complaining thread about why clay sucks.
-At some point, GWH, me or Stebs or any combination of those will be engaged into a discussion about the relative merits of clay greats.
-The U.S. press will wonder for a day or two whether there is something inherently wrong with U.S. tennis, then they will promptly forget all about it until next year.

Alex999
04-05-2008, 07:14 PM
I have a question for Merton and PMK is innocent. What do you think Djokovic can accomplish during the clay season? I respect your opinion. Thanks.

Sunset of Age
04-05-2008, 07:16 PM
I will make some daring predictions here:

-There will be a lot of seasonal posters to reappear again, proclaiming the greatness of Nadal.
-Djokovic trolls will expect him to sweep all the big titles on clay and will disappear if that does not happen.
-Ron will bump his complaining thread about why clay sucks.
-At some point, GWH, me or Stebs or any combination of those will be engaged into a discussion about the relative merits of clay greats.
-The U.S. press will wonder for a day or two whether there is something inherently wrong with U.S. tennis, then they will promptly forget all about it until next year.

:haha: :worship:

Action Jackson
04-05-2008, 07:29 PM
I will make some daring predictions here:

-There will be a lot of seasonal posters to reappear again, proclaiming the greatness of Nadal.
-Djokovic trolls will expect him to sweep all the big titles on clay and will disappear if that does not happen.
-Ron will bump his complaining thread about why clay sucks.
-At some point, GWH, me or Stebs or any combination of those will be engaged into a discussion about the relative merits of clay greats.
-The U.S. press will wonder for a day or two whether there is something inherently wrong with U.S. tennis, then they will promptly forget all about it until next year.

:worship::worship::worship:

Aloimeh
04-05-2008, 07:33 PM
I have a question for Merton and PMK is innocent. What do you think Djokovic can accomplish in the clay season? I respect your opinion. Thanks.

I have a feeling Djokovic is going to win Monte Carlo or Rome or both and then he'll definitely tank Hamburg. Just a feeling. I could very well imagine a scenario of him getting to the final of Monte Carlo and losing to Nadal and then winning against Nadal in Rome. Sort of a "repeat" of last year's IW/Miami scenario, but on clay.

Johnny Groove
04-05-2008, 07:34 PM
Jon, you wrote the MTF laws and you know what this place is like. How the same things happen, just the timing is different and we are coming into the next phase and this is the Nadal phase.

Answering your question, it's still no.

Still a no, eh? Is it only because it is merely a 4 year run as compared to some of the others who were a factor for much longer?

I will make some daring predictions here:

-There will be a lot of seasonal posters to reappear again, proclaiming the greatness of Nadal.
-Djokovic trolls will expect him to sweep all the big titles on clay and will disappear if that does not happen.
-Ron will bump his complaining thread about why clay sucks.
-At some point, GWH, me or Stebs or any combination of those will be engaged into a discussion about the relative merits of clay greats.
-The U.S. press will wonder for a day or two whether there is something inherently wrong with U.S. tennis, then they will promptly forget all about it until next year.

The Fed, Nadal, and Nole of this place for sure.

Dont forget the clay vs. grass debates

Johnny Groove
04-05-2008, 07:35 PM
I have a feeling Djokovic is going to win Monte Carlo or Rome or both and then he'll definitely tank Hamburg. Just a feeling. I could very well imagine a scenario of him getting to the final of Monte Carlo and losing to Nadal and then winning against Nadal in Rome. Sort of a "repeat" of last year's IW/Miami scenario, but on clay.

Pass me some of that shit, son.

Did you snort it or just pop em?

Alex999
04-05-2008, 07:44 PM
I have a feeling Djokovic is going to win Monte Carlo or Rome or both and then he'll definitely tank Hamburg. Just a feeling. I could very well imagine a scenario of him getting to the final of Monte Carlo and losing to Nadal and then winning against Nadal in Rome. Sort of a "repeat" of last year's IW/Miami scenario, but on clay.
I wish you were right, but I don't think Djokovic can/will beat Nadal on clay (unless Nadal is not 100%).

Albop
04-05-2008, 07:46 PM
Pass me some of that shit, son.

Did you snort it or just pop em?

LOL

Alex999
04-05-2008, 07:49 PM
I have a question for Merton and PMK is innocent. What do you think Djokovic can accomplish during the clay season? I respect your opinion. Thanks.
bump

elessar
04-05-2008, 07:49 PM
I have a feeling Djokovic is going to win Monte Carlo or Rome or both and then he'll definitely tank Hamburg. Just a feeling. I could very well imagine a scenario of him getting to the final of Monte Carlo and losing to Nadal and then winning against Nadal in Rome. Sort of a "repeat" of last year's IW/Miami scenario, but on clay.
I have a feeling Djokovic's gonna go just far enough to get beaten by Nadal :wavey: which will probably mean we won't be seeing you for the duration of the clay season :) That's why I'm gonna cherish all those precious moments until MC starts :hug:

Aloimeh
04-05-2008, 07:49 PM
I wish you were right, but I don't think Djokovic can/will beat Nadal on clay (unless Nadal is not 100%).

Yes, but since it's an unknown how his improvements on hard court may translate to clay, I will give him the benefit of the doubt. At this point, the only three people I could imagine seeing win the FO are Nadal (85%), Djokovic (10%), and *perhaps* Davydenko (5%). I think Federer's done with FO and with slams in general.

elessar
04-05-2008, 07:50 PM
bump

But, I don't understand what opinions other than Aloimeh do you need ?:sad:

Action Jackson
04-05-2008, 07:51 PM
bump

I will answer this later, when I can think about it properly. Alo's beligerence on this subject is hilarious.

Came out of the cave at the right moment it seems.

Albop
04-05-2008, 07:51 PM
Yes, but since it's an unknown how his improvements on hard court may translate to clay, I will give him the benefit of the doubt. At this point, the only three people I could imagine seeing win the FO are Nadal (85%), Djokovic (10%), and *perhaps* Davydenko (5%). I think Federer's done with FO and with slams in general.

:hatoff:

Manon
04-05-2008, 07:52 PM
I have a feeling Djokovic's gonna go just far enough to get beaten by Nadal :wavey: which will probably mean we won't be seeing you for the duration of the clay season :) That's why I'm gonna cherish all those precious moments until MC starts :hug:

1. You.......:devil:
2. Move those being from avatar
3. Love you:angel:

Alex999
04-05-2008, 07:52 PM
I will answer this later, when I can think about it properly. Alo's beligerence on this subject is hilarious.

Came out of the cave at the right moment it seems.
Thank you.

Alex999
04-05-2008, 07:54 PM
I have a feeling Djokovic's gonna go just far enough to get beaten by Nadal :wavey: which will probably mean we won't be seeing you for the duration of the clay season :) That's why I'm gonna cherish all those precious moments until MC starts :hug:
No, I'll be around for sure unless you don't want to see me (I don't remember pissing you off) ;)

Aloimeh
04-05-2008, 07:57 PM
I will answer this later, when I can think about it properly. Alo's beligerence on this subject is hilarious.

Came out of the cave at the right moment it seems.

I've been in the cave for the past while due to intensive exam preparation. It has nothing to do with Djokovic not getting to the final of Miami (although I can understand that you might infer that).

elessar
04-05-2008, 07:59 PM
No, I'll be around for sure unless you don't want to see me (I don't remember pissing you off) ;)
:lol: I wasn't talking about you, you stuck around like Manon when Djokovic lost to Anderson even though you knew he'd get bashed for days, plus you're a nice sensible poster, that's something I can respect. I just don't like people like Aloimeh or zcess who bash other players endlessly but disappear at the first sign of trouble because they can't deal with people doing the thing to them

Alex999
04-05-2008, 08:01 PM
:lol: I wasn't talking about you, you stuck around like Manon when Djokovic lost to Anderson even though you knew he'd get bashed for days, plus you're a nice sensible poster, that's something I can respect. I just don't like people like Aloimeh or zcess who bash other players endlessly but disappear at the first sign of trouble because they can't deal with people doing the thing to them
Sorry, I misunderstood. Thanks for your kind words :).

Commander Data
04-05-2008, 08:20 PM
Yes, but since it's an unknown how his improvements on hard court may translate to clay, I will give him the benefit of the doubt. At this point, the only three people I could imagine seeing win the FO are Nadal (85%), Djokovic (10%), and *perhaps* Davydenko (5%). I think Federer's done with FO and with slams in general.

:haha::haha::haha::haha::haha::banghead::banghead: :banghead::banghead:

elessar
04-05-2008, 08:24 PM
1. You.......:devil:
2. Move those being from avatar
3. Love you:angel:
1.Me....:angel:
2.I made a bet that forced me to put Canas in my avy, anything after that is fine by me :lol:
3.Love you too :kiss:
Sorry, I misunderstood. Thanks for your kind words :).
No worries, and you're welcome ;)

FedFan_2007
04-05-2008, 08:31 PM
:retard: thread since we know the result of the clay season. Wake me up when grass season starts. :zzz:

elessar
04-05-2008, 08:33 PM
:retard: thread since we know the result of the clay season. Wake me up when grass season starts. :zzz:

No, thanks I think I'll just let you sleep :hug:

FedFan_2007
04-05-2008, 08:35 PM
Clay season will be a slow motion execution of Fed's #1 ranking. Too painful to watch.

PiggyGotRoasted
04-05-2008, 08:35 PM
Davydenko Will Own Nadal.

Marek.
04-05-2008, 08:38 PM
Yes, but since it's an unknown how his improvements on hard court may translate to clay, I will give him the benefit of the doubt. At this point, the only three people I could imagine seeing win the FO are Nadal (85%), Djokovic (10%), and *perhaps* Davydenko (5%). I think Federer's done with FO and with slams in general.

Aw man. :sad:

FedFan_2007
04-05-2008, 08:38 PM
No, the French Open is more like:

Nadal(99.999999%), Djokovic(0.00000001%), Federer(0%)

FedFan_2007
04-05-2008, 08:39 PM
Wimbly:

Federer(20%), Nadal(70%), Djokovic(10%)

ionah
04-05-2008, 08:50 PM
Yes, but since it's an unknown how his improvements on hard court may translate to clay, I will give him the benefit of the doubt. At this point, the only three people I could imagine seeing win the FO are Nadal (85%), Djokovic (10%), and *perhaps* Davydenko (5%). I think Federer's done with FO and with slams in general.

AGREE

ionah
04-05-2008, 08:51 PM
Wimbly:

Federer(20%), Nadal(70%), Djokovic(10%)



No.


Wimbledon

Federer(0%), Nadal(50%), Djokovic(50%)

Albop
04-05-2008, 08:52 PM
^^^

ha

Marek.
04-05-2008, 08:53 PM
I guess Fed should just retire now. Obviously he has no chance to win another tournament again. :shrug:

ionah
04-05-2008, 08:55 PM
Aw man. :sad:

Federer's done with FO and with slams in general. Deal with it :wavey:

rafa_maniac
04-05-2008, 09:03 PM
damn this crowded season, probably means Nadal will drop Hamburg, the one place where Nadal can actually gain points. Anyway, Rafa wins Monte Carlo, Barcelona, Rome and The French. Someone like Ferrer wins Hamburg. Federer still getting the good draws that comes with being #1 should see himself safely through the first few rounds of each tournament, but if his current form continues, he'll lose to the first decent clay courter he meets each time, probably averaging the 4th round/Quarters. Djoko makes a few semis, overall has a slight improvement over last year's clay results though I'd be surprised if he even made any finals. Denko will probably be the regular losing finalist to Rafa at most of the tournaments including The French.

elessar
04-05-2008, 09:06 PM
Federer still getting the good draws that comes with being #1 should see himself safely through the first few rounds of each tournament, but if his current form continues, he'll lose to the first decent clay courter he meets each time, probably averaging the 4th round/Quarters. Djoko makes a few semis, overall has a slight improvement over last year's clay results though I'd be surprised if he even made any finals. Denko will probably be the regular losing finalist to Rafa at most of the tournaments including The French.
Nothing to say but admire yet another brillant post in this thread :worship:
The clay season really does bring out the best in posters :hearts:

ionah
04-05-2008, 09:10 PM
damn this crowded season, probably means Nadal will drop Hamburg, the one place where Nadal can actually gain points. Anyway, Rafa wins Monte Carlo, Barcelona, Rome and The French. Someone like Ferrer wins Hamburg. Federer still getting the good draws that comes with being #1 should see himself safely through the first few rounds of each tournament, but if his current form continues, he'll lose to the first decent clay courter he meets each time, probably averaging the 4th round/Quarters. Djoko makes a few semis, overall has a slight improvement over last year's clay results though I'd be surprised if he even made any finals. Denko will probably be the regular losing finalist to Rafa at most of the tournaments including The French.

Most likely scenario. Very good prediction.

FedFan_2007
04-05-2008, 09:13 PM
Davy will be this year's version of 2006 Fedbitch.

star
04-05-2008, 09:35 PM
I guess I don't get all this "Federer is sure to lose points during the clay season."

Federer is not playing terribly. He's just a little bit below par. At par, he's the second best clay courter on record, so to me, by adding Estoril, he is going to defend most of his points on clay.

star
04-05-2008, 09:38 PM
Yes, but since it's an unknown how his improvements on hard court may translate to clay, I will give him the benefit of the doubt. At this point, the only three people I could imagine seeing win the FO are Nadal (85%), Djokovic (10%), and *perhaps* Davydenko (5%). I think Federer's done with FO and with slams in general.

You are writing Federer off too quickly. I mean, I wish you were right, but my experience over the years is that champions revive at slam tournaments even when they've been having a terrible year. The slams cater to the champions, and having the extra day of rest helps also. I expect Federer to do very well at all the slams this year. semis or better. He will win at least one.

Sunset of Age
04-05-2008, 09:39 PM
I guess I don't get all this "Federer is sure to lose points during the clay season."

Federer is not playing terribly. He's just a little bit below par. At par, he's the second best clay courter on record, so to me, by adding Estoril, he is going to defend most of his points on clay.

I'm with you on this, I don't get it either. Though Fed is definitely not at his best at this moment, people seem to have forgotten that he's been the undisputed No.2 on clay the past few years. He might well drop his level a bit, but that doesn't mean he will necessarily lose too much. He's got plenty points to pick up in Estoril and Rome to compensate for lost points at the other clay tournaments.

l_mac
04-05-2008, 09:45 PM
I will make some daring predictions here:

-There will be a lot of seasonal posters to reappear again, proclaiming the greatness of Nadal.
-Djokovic trolls will expect him to sweep all the big titles on clay and will disappear if that does not happen.
-Ron will bump his complaining thread about why clay sucks.
-At some point, GWH, me or Stebs or any combination of those will be engaged into a discussion about the relative merits of clay greats.
-The U.S. press will wonder for a day or two whether there is something inherently wrong with U.S. tennis, then they will promptly forget all about it until next year.
:haha:
I have a feeling Djokovic is going to win Monte Carlo or Rome or both and then he'll definitely tank Hamburg. Just a feeling. I could very well imagine a scenario of him getting to the final of Monte Carlo and losing to Nadal and then winning against Nadal in Rome. Sort of a "repeat" of last year's IW/Miami scenario, but on clay.
You are assuming they will be on opposite sides of the draw. I don't expect rafa to dominate on clay the way he has the past 3 years, just because it has to end sometime. I mean, it's been ridiculous.
I have a feeling Djokovic's gonna go just far enough to get beaten by Nadal :wavey: which will probably mean we won't be seeing you for the duration of the clay season :) That's why I'm gonna cherish all those precious moments until MC starts :hug:
:haha:
:retard: thread since we know the result of the clay season. Wake me up when grass season starts. :zzz:

No, thanks I think I'll just let you sleep :hug:
:spit: :haha: claire :worship:
damn this crowded season, probably means Nadal will drop Hamburg, the one place where Nadal can actually gain points. Anyway, Rafa wins Monte Carlo, Barcelona, Rome and The French. Someone like Ferrer wins Hamburg. Federer still getting the good draws that comes with being #1 should see himself safely through the first few rounds of each tournament, but if his current form continues, he'll lose to the first decent clay courter he meets each time, probably averaging the 4th round/Quarters. Djoko makes a few semis, overall has a slight improvement over last year's clay results though I'd be surprised if he even made any finals. Denko will probably be the regular losing finalist to Rafa at most of the tournaments including The French.
What?
Most likely scenario. Very good prediction.
You seem like a comedy double account.

ionah
04-05-2008, 11:07 PM
USO

Djokovic 85%

Federer 5%

Roddick 10%

ionah
04-05-2008, 11:08 PM
You seem like a comedy double account.



you seem like a frigid bitch. :wavey::wavey:

Albop
04-05-2008, 11:09 PM
you seem like a frigid bitch. :wavey::wavey:

a little more original in the next account please ;)

l_mac
04-05-2008, 11:12 PM
you seem like a frigid bitch. :wavey::wavey:

:spit:

Yeah, that's not really making me think you're a brand new poster ;)

hra87
04-05-2008, 11:27 PM
:spit:

Yeah, that's not really making me think you're a brand new poster ;)

It's easy to see who the new posters are, look at their command of smilies. It takes a bit of time to learn how the people on MTF use smilies, and he seems to be using them properly. Unless he's a lurker.

Edit: and bitch implies female, so he also knew that.

I can't imagine it's that hard to make a double account and seem original, why are people so bad at it?

Sunset of Age
04-05-2008, 11:44 PM
It's easy to see who the new posters are, look at their command of smilies. It takes a bit of time to learn how the people on MTF use smilies, and he seems to be using them properly. Unless he's a lurker.

Edit: and bitch implies female, so he also knew that.

I can't imagine it's that hard to make a double account and seem original, why are people so bad at it?

:haha: yes that poster is obviously no new tool in the box. It IS a tool, though.

Marek.
04-05-2008, 11:45 PM
ionah is definitely an original account. I have never seen someone here with such revolutionary ideas as s/he. l_mac is just jealous. :shrug:

Corey Feldman
04-05-2008, 11:45 PM
Buffoonette :lol: props on going through with that one Karin :yeah:

Sunset of Age
04-05-2008, 11:47 PM
Buffoonette :lol: props on going through with that one Karin :yeah:

thanks Mikey :hug:. You can have 'ClayMuzza' now... :lol:

Merton
04-06-2008, 01:50 AM
I have a question for Merton and PMK is innocent. What do you think Djokovic can accomplish during the clay season? I respect your opinion. Thanks.

On average he will go deeper on the masters that he did last year and he will do very well if he can reach semis at RG again. Djokovic does not have a clay game, he just plays his hard court game on clay. Remember that last year in Paris he struggled through a very favourable draw. Nadal looks to be a horrible matchup for him on clay at the moment, I think similarly to the Muster-Kafelnikov matchup from the 90s.

I have a feeling Djokovic is going to win Monte Carlo or Rome or both and then he'll definitely tank Hamburg. Just a feeling. I could very well imagine a scenario of him getting to the final of Monte Carlo and losing to Nadal and then winning against Nadal in Rome. Sort of a "repeat" of last year's IW/Miami scenario, but on clay.

Nothing wrong with feelings :)

leng jai
04-06-2008, 01:56 AM
Australia will still get zero fre to air coverage.

Merton
04-06-2008, 01:59 AM
[QUOTE=l_mac;6837441You are assuming they will be on opposite sides of the draw. I don't expect rafa to dominate on clay the way he has the past 3 years, just because it has to end sometime. I mean, it's been ridiculous.
[/QUOTE]

I don't expect Nadal to defend his big titles on clay either. Actually I didn't expect him to do so in 2006 or 2007 either. The reason is simple: Assuming that he enters a tournament with a probablity of winning outright 0.7. Then the probability of winning the four big tournaments is 0.7^4 = 0.24. So on average he should do it about one year every four years that he enters with such odds. Yet he did it in the last two years.

~EMiLiTA~
04-06-2008, 02:04 AM
Australia will still get zero fre to air coverage.

hehe exactly

Sunset of Age
04-06-2008, 03:12 AM
I don't expect Nadal to defend his big titles on clay either. Actually I didn't expect him to do so in 2006 or 2007 either. The reason is simple: Assuming that he enters a tournament with a probablity of winning outright 0.7. Then the probability of winning the four big tournaments is 0.7^4 = 0.24. So on average he should do it about one year every four years that he enters with such odds. Yet he did it in the last two years.

Aye, Merton, some of your post are indeed a true giveaway that you indeed know how to play Bridge. Or poker for that matter. :D :worship:

Clay Death
04-06-2008, 03:23 AM
Aye, Merton, some of your post are indeed a true giveaway that you indeed know how to play Bridge. Or poker for that matter. :D :worship:

negative. he knows jack shit. thats a lot for him.

Kristen
04-06-2008, 04:22 AM
I would like to hibernate, but apparently my players aren't bad on the surface. Damn.

Nadal_Fanatic
04-06-2008, 04:57 AM
What will happen? Nadal will dominate. :)

Sunset of Age
04-06-2008, 05:02 AM
negative. he knows jack shit. thats a lot for him.

Are you so sure about that, CD? Do you happen to play bridge as well, I'll be most pleased to meet you at Bridge Base Online (http://online.bridgebase.com/)... tell me, what's your nick over there, eh?:D

Clay Death
04-06-2008, 05:15 AM
Are you so sure about that, CD? Do you happen to play bridge as well, I'll be most pleased to meet you at Bridge Base Online (http://online.bridgebase.com/)... tell me, what's your nick over there, eh?:D

i was just messing withn him. i like that chess master. he is a cool poster.

Action Jackson
04-06-2008, 05:41 AM
Australia will still get zero fre to air coverage.

If you really want me to tape anything for you, then I can manage that.

Action Jackson
04-06-2008, 05:56 AM
I've been in the cave for the past while due to intensive exam preparation. It has nothing to do with Djokovic not getting to the final of Miami (although I can understand that you might infer that).

Yes, I was refering to the poor Djokovic result.

I have a question for Merton and PMK is innocent. What do you think Djokovic can accomplish during the clay season? I respect your opinion. Thanks.

Not really sure what I can add, besides what Merton has already added. He will do alright during the clay season, obvioiusly he is more vulnerable here than on other surfaces. Say he plays the big 4 events, he will go deep in 2 of them. It depends on the match ups he gets and how he recovers if he has to play back to back tough matches.

Commander Data
04-06-2008, 10:56 AM
USO

Djokovic 85%

Federer 5%

Roddick 10%

Whats up with this completly arbitrary numbers? Is this some kind of a joke?

A player other than Joker, fed or Rod has 0% chance....., okay, everything clear. Man, you must be a millionary by now, with your fortune teller ability.

Mansave_75
04-06-2008, 11:27 AM
Nadal will dominate clay courts from Monte Carlo to Roland Garros, Creating another winning streak...like last years was broken. Let's wait and see. Now he's 12 consecutive wins on clay since his Hamburg final.

Action Jackson
04-07-2008, 04:31 AM
-Djokovic trolls will expect him to sweep all the big titles on clay and will disappear if that does not happen.


I have a feeling Djokovic is going to win Monte Carlo or Rome or both and then he'll definitely tank Hamburg. Just a feeling. I could very well imagine a scenario of him getting to the final of Monte Carlo and losing to Nadal and then winning against Nadal in Rome. Sort of a "repeat" of last year's IW/Miami scenario, but on clay.

A clear example of what Merton is talking about.

Action Jackson
04-09-2008, 07:34 AM
-There will be a lot of seasonal posters to reappear again, proclaiming the greatness of Nadal.

The season hasn't even started and already there is a Borg and Nadal comparison from Rafa=Fed Killa, then Spartan will answer in this for sure.

http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=121017

buzz
04-09-2008, 08:32 AM
I don't expect Nadal to defend his big titles on clay either. Actually I didn't expect him to do so in 2006 or 2007 either. The reason is simple: Assuming that he enters a tournament with a probablity of winning outright 0.7. Then the probability of winning the four big tournaments is 0.7^4 = 0.24. So on average he should do it about one year every four years that he enters with such odds. Yet he did it in the last two years.

Maybe Nadals probability of winning is greater than 0.7. Whats the probability someone has to win this 4 events two years in a row with probability 0.7; 0.7^8=0.06 so its not very likely he has a winning percentage of 70 in this four tournaments.

zcess81
04-09-2008, 09:26 AM
Now that IW has finished, and Miami is likely to have a similar is not exact result, we must now look to the clay season.

Can nadal continue his absolute domination?

Can Federer defend his points, remember that he won H-burg, finals in RG, and finals in mc

What can djokovic do on the clay? can he translate his fine play there or is he a clay mug?

What will happen? Nadal will demolish all non-believers and grind them to fine clay. There will be a lot of sore backsides that's for sure.

ZakMcCrack
04-09-2008, 10:50 AM
Federer's done with FO and with slams in general. Deal with it :wavey:

Wishful thinking as a result of too much drinking? :o

groundstroke
04-09-2008, 01:02 PM
Imagine is Roddick won RG. oooooh lord.

Tennis World A
04-11-2008, 11:26 PM
Nothing will happen this clay season, Nadal will win all matches :(

Merton
04-12-2008, 12:01 AM
Maybe Nadals probability of winning is greater than 0.7. Whats the probability someone has to win this 4 events two years in a row with probability 0.7; 0.7^8=0.06 so its not very likely he has a winning percentage of 70 in this four tournaments.

A probability 0.7 of winning an event outright is actually quite huge, it is like odds 1.4:1. For example, currently the bookies give a 2:1 for Nadal to win RG. You are right that Nadal cannot possibly be so lucky, but this is a simple view of the world. I assume (without saying it) that the probability of winning an event is independent of the probability of winning another event. This cannot be true, but it is not easy at all to quantify this complexity (technically it is serial correlation) in an obvious way.

Sunset of Age
04-12-2008, 01:35 AM
Wishful thinking as a result of too much drinking? :o

Always funny to read such self-confident posts of haters of whatever player.
Eh... NOT. :zzz:

trixtah
04-12-2008, 07:13 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if Rafa loses...look at the shitty schedule changes as of late

arm
04-12-2008, 11:53 AM
Nadal wont' win every tournament he plyas. I just dont know which. But I dont really think he is able to win all in a row.

And I seriosly doubt he will tank or withdraw Hamburg

Sunset of Age
04-12-2008, 11:46 PM
Nadal wont' win every tournament he plyas. I just dont know which. But I dont really think he is able to win all in a row.

And I seriosly doubt he will tank or withdraw Hamburg

To me, Rafa surely looks in form - but of course we'll have to wait and see what will happen. Expecting him to win each and every tournament he enters might just be a bit too much, but I sure see him doing well during this clay season. His improved HC game (laugh at me if you want, but I truly believe that his HC game has again improved :cool:) can only indicate well for his chances on clay, IMHO that is.

I guess him tanking or withdrawing Hamburg will depend on his results on his other clay tournaments.

Corey Feldman
04-13-2008, 12:22 AM
The only way Nadal wont win every event again is if he WD or is injured

even tired, not as sharp Nadal on clay - who would have the balls to close the match when close to beating him? none of them

Clay Death
04-13-2008, 01:36 AM
To me, Rafa surely looks in form - but of course we'll have to wait and see what will happen. Expecting him to win each and every tournament he enters might just be a bit too much, but I sure see him doing well during this clay season. His improved HC game (laugh at me if you want, but I truly believe that his HC game has again improved :cool:) can only indicate well for his chances on clay, IMHO that is.

I guess him tanking or withdrawing Hamburg will depend on his results on his other clay tournaments.



look for some adjustments if Nadal is extended in some of his matches. if he arrives nearly dead in Hamburg, he may just pull out to prevent injury and to try to recover in time for Roland Garros. I would think that the Slam is far more important than the points in Hamburg where it is cold and damp to begin with during that time of the year. he can always try to make up some of those points after Wimbledon.

the best case scenario for him is to win most all of matches in straight sets if possible. no 3 hour matches anywhere until he pulls up at Roland Garros.

Action Jackson
04-04-2009, 09:17 AM
Same as it ever was.

ClaudiuS
06-05-2009, 11:21 PM
The only way Nadal wont win every event again is if he WD or is injured

even tired, not as sharp Nadal on clay - who would have the balls to close the match when close to beating him? none of them

Soderking :D

Man, this swedish toad really messed up the logics in every single thread of this year.

Joao
06-06-2009, 05:28 AM
Soderking :D

Man, this swedish toad really messed up the logics in every single thread of this year.

The only thing he messed up is the overly confidence of Nadal's fan. Maybe they'll come back to earth and finally realize that anything is possible in tennis. :o

jcempire
06-06-2009, 05:51 AM
Nadal got to take a rest since FO, WIM of last year and AO of this year which I believe he's tired and got take a break.

habibko
06-06-2009, 06:10 AM
Same as it ever was.

not quite ;)

Action Jackson
06-06-2009, 10:41 AM
Good to be wrong about this and the dynamics changed just for these two weeks.