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what's wrong with Marat safin?

safinaferrero
06-23-2004, 08:31 AM
:wavey: If you can say something to Marat what would it be? critizes :devil: or anything it's your thread say what u wanna say 4 exple do u think as i read in an article that it's too late for marat that he would never be the champoin that we thought he would be ? etc...................... :wavey: :wavey:

joeb_uk
06-23-2004, 10:40 AM
get your fucking head together, sort your motivation out, sort your attitude out and you will have the chance to contest the number 1 spot.
he knows it already tho, but is to lazy to change it

safinaferrero
06-23-2004, 02:02 PM
i agree with u it's maybe a little bit agressive but that's what he f........... need cos' he knows how much talent he has and he must think that he still has the time to use it he doesn't wanna see that top players like federer roddick won't wait for him i mean the ranking too maybe it's too late for him let's see what he will do in the 2004' s US OPEN

joeb_uk
06-23-2004, 02:42 PM
i think he does need someone to be agressive towards him, and really sort him out! otherwise i cant see him changing

safinaferrero
06-23-2004, 02:52 PM
yes unfortunately it's true but the main pbm is that if he doesn't wanna do something he won't do it and of course he stilll losing like yeaterday :( :( :(

Gonzalo81
06-23-2004, 02:57 PM
He needs to pick up the phone, call Gaudio and ask for his therapist....:)

safinaferrero
06-23-2004, 03:02 PM
yes maybe a good idea

joeb_uk
06-23-2004, 03:06 PM
lol, yeah! good call

Gonzalo81
06-23-2004, 03:17 PM
Totally off topic....but you know that Gaudio´s therapist is appearing everywhere here in Argentina after RG final....he´s talking even about football or other things.....I was like WTF!?!?!
So maybe if Marat shows him some money, he´ll work with him.
:):):):):):)

safinaferrero
06-23-2004, 03:28 PM
Really he's that famous maybe marat should call gim if he makes MILAGROS

Gonzalo81
06-23-2004, 03:32 PM
He´s not famous, he´s just getting his 15 minutes of fame....

henree
06-23-2004, 08:33 PM
Honestly I think he is playing too much. He has played almost every tournament since the Aussie Open final, and he has had no breaks in between. Too much of anything, even if you like it will make you go crazy. If he is smart he will pull out of a few of the up and coming summer tournaments and take a breather. This will allow him to re-focus and hopefully comeback renewed and refreshed. I hope he doesn't end up like Jelena Dokic. :sad:

jmp
06-24-2004, 03:41 AM
I would tell him to:

*take himself, his talent, and his career more seriously;
*get a world class athlete's off-court regimen of diet, fitness, and work ethic;
*stay with his current coach, Pete, and work out an annual schedule that allows him to peak for the majors; and
*finish off his opponents as quickly as possible so that he can gain a mental edge in the locker room and have the mental/physical reserves in major tournaments to be more than a dangerous, entertaining floater.

I don't know that a sports psychologist would do him any good if he hasn't made up his mind to be serious about his career. He doesn't appear to be unable to close out close matches or to be suffering from the weight of a string of losses that other players usually go to a psychologist for.

gina_
06-24-2004, 08:24 AM
Get a better attitude and just play with more focus. He really ought to stop horsing around. He's so talented and I just wish he'll appreciate what he has more and try to harness it instead of being so stubborn and pigheaded.

maratski
06-24-2004, 08:31 AM
Honestly I think he is playing too much. He has played almost every tournament since the Aussie Open final, and he has had no breaks in between. Too much of anything, even if you like it will make you go crazy. If he is smart he will pull out of a few of the up and coming summer tournaments and take a breather. This will allow him to re-focus and hopefully comeback renewed and refreshed. I hope he doesn't end up like Jelena Dokic. :sad:

Have you really paid any attention to Marat Safin this season? :eek:

It seems he's had more vacations this season than in any other year he's played on tour.

Aurora
06-24-2004, 09:02 AM
not compared to Agassi, maratski ;)

Yeah, more vacations than other years, but still ok for his ranking/reasonable amount of tournaments and if he would play more he would lose even more. Dude's ain't got no drive and playing more will only have a contrary effect on those few sparks of willingness to give his all.

budikovac
06-24-2004, 09:31 AM
you can't change someone's head! he is the way he is, and that's the way he'll be forever! he just has to learn how to deal with emotions and how to push them down on court!
the same way Federer does it, Roger is not strong mentally, he just doesn't show it on court! he probably lets it out later like he did after accepting the trophy in Wimbledon!

Vass
06-24-2004, 09:55 AM
Have you really paid any attention to Marat Safin this season? :eek:

It seems he's had more vacations this season than in any other year he's played on tour.

Absolutely! I don't remember what was the last time he played! ;) Break before Hamburg, break after, played on day in Halle and didn't play for two weeks until Wimby. He's mentioned that he didn't touch a racket for two weeks, while being on vocation (in Alaska, whereever) atleast twice this season. he's playing too few tournaments. Now I think that he should play right after Wimby and win, because he played only one day in Wimby.

Vass
06-24-2004, 09:59 AM
Onlt the head is wrong with Safin, but you can't do a thing with it. Maybe slight adjustments but he'll never change.

Gonzalo81
06-24-2004, 01:50 PM
I think you are wrong Vass, anyone can change......It´s only mather of work and be willing to change.....
I´ll put Gaudio as an example....Who would said he was going to change but he did...
The rest is up to Marat......but Adidas said it "Impossible is nothing" :):)

safinaferrero
06-25-2004, 08:38 AM
ur right gonzalo if marat wanna change he will if he doesn't change is that he doesn't want but after reading the article of Marat apoligizing i felt that there still hope on marat case ;)

Lalitha
06-25-2004, 09:17 AM
what's wrong with Safin or what he should do about that - only he is the best judger on that.

The hunger and fire to win all the time has to come from within. No can one install it upon him.

safinaferrero
06-25-2004, 11:26 AM
what about this article? i think that there is something right there

Inside the mind of Marat Safin
By Clive White (Filed: 20/06/2004)


Everyone is disappointed about Marat Safin's unfulfilled potential except, it would seem, Marat Safin. Ever since, as a 20-year-old, he had the nerve to whip Pete Sampras in front of his own supporters to win the 2000 US Open - the first time in 16 Slam finals that the grand master had been beaten in straight sets - the tennis world has been waiting for the Russian to assume his rightful place among the modern-day tennis greats.


Frustration: Marat Safin suffers from mental weakness
Many feared that this was a talent that was going needlessly to waste as he repeatedly fell short in following up that success during the ensuing three years: he was too good to be a one-slam wonder. When he appeared at the Australian Open in 2003 with three blondes in his box and then followed up that mediocre effort (on court, at least) by taking the best part of the remainder of that year off, ostensibly to clear up an injury, those fears were all but confirmed.

However, his return at this year's Australian Open was a sporting comeback to rival the greatest when, with almost no preparation and only a minimal degree of fitness, he managed to reach the final. He was like a man on a mission; his aim, perhaps, to prove that even with such a severe handicap, he could take on and beat the best. All it did, of course, was raise the level of expectation all over again.

His return has been welcomed by all and sundry because tennis needs not only talent like Safin's but also personality like Safin's. Articulate and humorous, the media know that however nondescript the play may have been in a match, Safin will invariably come through for them in the press conference. He is all for lightening the atmosphere when the tennis gets too serious, although his methods occasionally go a little too far, like at this year's French Open when he pulled down his shorts and mooned during his second-round match with Felix Mantilla. He was docked a point for that bit of cheek. "Look, nobody else out there complained," was his excuse.

Yet if there is one thing that is guaranteed to raise the Muscovite's hackles and get him all serious, it is the suggestion that he is 'back'. Not that he disputes that he went away, it is just that he resents what he sees as phoney loyalty. "It's like everybody's happy, 'Marat comes back, he's playing great tennis, I'm really happy for you'. Come on.

"Whenever I am losing, it's like, 'It's his fault'. And whenever I'm winning it's like, 'That's us'. That's the team, the people. But when I'm losing a few matches, suddenly 'It's his fault', 'He doesn't want to practice', 'He doesn't need it', 'He doesn't care'. And when everything goes well, there are people coming behind the stone, saying, 'Oh, my God, he's back finally, and I was there to help him out'.

"So it's a little bit annoying, and it's also annoying when the people come to you and try to explain to you and say, 'But if you should do this or do that you will be more calm, you will be much better'. Those people are normally losers because they don't know how much time, how much dedication, how much it takes to be where I am right now."

Fans and media alike tend to live in a fantasy world where sport is concerned. But serious athletes, like Safin, are much better at putting their victories and defeats into perspective. Britain's Tim Henman spoke on this very same subject only recently, saying when he lost in the Wimbledon semi-finals to Goran Ivanisevic in 2001 he thought the media expected him to be "in isolation and crying for a week - but by the next morning I had decided where I was going to play golf and who I was going to play with".

Safin is also philosophical about the criticisms which have been levelled at him, almost throughout his career, with regards to his temperament. Like many tennis players he is mature beyond his years, 24 in his case.

"There is no such thing as a perfect player; it doesn't exist," he said. "It has to be a balance. Because I have this serve or because I have this kind of game, that's why I have this head, and I have to deal with that. I know that's my problem. I cannot change it. Nobody can change it. I can improve it a little bit. But it's my head, it's the way I am. So at the end of the day, I will be who I am and I will win how much I can win. So don't get too excited when I am winning and don't get too depressed when I am losing.

"For example, people come to me and they say I should have won five Slams already. Yeah, but sorry, I couldn't. For some reason, I couldn't. I wish also, but it doesn't work this way. Everybody is smarter from outside of the court. But in the court it is a little bit different. You see different, and you feel, and you play sometimes against yourself. It's really difficult sometimes to push. Sometimes you are scared, sometimes you are choking, sometimes you are not feeling confident, sometimes you are too confident, which is also bad. It's sport."

No one can criticise Safin for lack of effort, at least not since he came back. The number of times he comes through five-setters is a testament to his fighting qualities and he came through a few at the recent French Open. He has a huge heart, as he showed when he almost single-handedly won the 2002 Davis Cup for Russia by beating France in the final on their territory.

After his Australian Open heroics most people expected him to start winning tournaments again almost immediately, but as Safin probably knew, the reality would be something different. In successive tournaments he had the misfortune to come up against Roger Federer, who beat him in the Melbourne final, and Roddick in the opening rounds. But sometimes he is too easily disheartened, as he was in the match with the American, when he fails to meet his own high standards. As he said: "In the second set I felt a little bit frustrated so I didn't play" adding: "These kind of matches they cut your motivation."

That is the kind of mental weakness his new coach Peter Lundgren - formerly with Federer - needs to correct. His problem is he lacks patience sometimes, most noticeably on clay, which is odd since he completed his tennis education on the red stuff in Valencia, from the age of 13 to 19.

Nowadays, he is a resident of Monte Carlo. While there may be a new dedication about him, one thing we know for sure is that he won't be playing tennis, like Andre Agassi, at 34. Consequently, we should just enjoy him while he is.

gillian
06-25-2004, 01:14 PM
At 24, Safin is still young enough to win some more majors (remember, Agassi's resurgence came in his late 20s early 30s, and in his early career, he was a bit like Safin is now: petulant, unmotivated).

I think Marat needs to find 1 coach and stick with him for at least a year. He also needs to do more than pay lip service to giving his best effort. He is so talented, it's a shame to see him wasting that talent and crashing out of majors because he doesn't like the surface. With talent like his, he should be contending for every major. I think he can, but his motivation needs work. I was really proud of his effort at the Australian this year. He fought so hard, even when it looked like he couldn't win. That's the kind of effort he needs to make every time he steps out on the court. It takes a lot of work, but it he wants it bad enough, I think it woudl be worth it.

Will stop rambling now. Hope Marat gets his head and his game together in time for the US Open.