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Off Season Andy

11-08-2007, 09:42 PM
What's the chances of anyone other than me posting in this thread?



He was on A Question of Sport on Saturday. His brother is funnier than him. They both still desperately need haircuts.

I wonder what I'll see him in next. Sports Personality of the Year maybe? (If Hamilton gets it I will puke)

11-09-2007, 12:16 AM
I_mac, I love you!!! I can't freaking STAND Lewis bloody Hamilton, he does my head in :( It's all about the Button for me...

And I agree on all your other points also. The brothers Murray better be at Sports Personality, they do both need haircuts (even Judy thinks so!) and Jamie is funnier!!!

I don't tend to post in here during the season to be honest!! But I hope there's someone around to keep you company.

11-09-2007, 05:44 PM
his brother has this think andy lacks, its called a personality

11-09-2007, 10:22 PM
Heh. The eldest sibling is always the best, naturally...

11-12-2007, 09:26 PM
From the BBC (Murray is a "dark horse" for Sports Personality of the Year)

Within minutes of Zara Phillips being crowned the surprise Sports Personality of 2006, bookies had already made Andy Murray one of the hot favourites for this year's title.

He has achieved plenty, despite a nagging wrist injury which ruled him out of Wimbledon.

Murray took Rafael Nadal to five sets at the Australian Open, broke into the world's top 10 for the first time, and nearly made the Masters Cup after a late-season surge.

The Scot won tournaments in San Jose and St Petersburg, with the promise of more to come in 2008.

His brother Jamie Murray carved his own place in tennis folklore, by winning the Wimbledon mixed doubles title to finally step out of his younger sibling's shadow.

The media speculated on whether there was a love match with doubles partner Jelena Jankovic, but Jamie let his tennis do the talking in September to help Great Britain to a memorable Davis Cup win over Croatia.

Hamilton is 1-3 favourite :crying2:

11-14-2007, 09:27 AM
It looks like Andy will be searching for a new coach, if Neil Harman at The Times is anything to go by. Andy Murray is ready to part company with Brad Gilbert after falling out with the high-profile American coach who helped to build the 20-year-old Scot into one of the finest tennis players in the world.

When Gilbert was appointed in the summer of 2006, Murray was ranked No 36 in the world, had introduced himself as one of the brightest young talents and was on the threshold of turning potential into prizes. He believed that the finishing touch was to bring in the man who had driven Andre Agassi and Andy Roddick to the summit of the game and who was acknowledged as one of the sharpest of tennis brains.

Murray completes this year as world No 11, but the pair have not been the happiest of co-travellers for a while. There were strong rumours that they would separate before the US Open at the end of August, when the Scot was trying to piece his year together after the wrist injury that caused him to miss three months and two grand-slam tournaments.

Theirs has been a tempestuous relationship and, at the end of a period in which Murray was within one victory in Paris this month of qualifying for the Masters Cup in Shanghai, it is believed that they prefer to go their separate ways.

Gilbert, 46, normally a verbose individual, was reluctant to discuss his situation last night. “I don’t really want to talk about it,” he said from California. “I haven’t spoken to the LTA [Lawn Tennis Association].” Murray is believed to be on holiday in the United States, but not on the West Coast.

Murray has never been shy of making decisions that he feels will best benefit his career. On his emergence as a teenager with more natural talent than Great Britain had produced for years, he asked Mark Petchey, the former Davis Cup player, to become his coach, but the pair parted company in April last year when Murray heightened his aims.

This decision does, however, leave the LTA in a deep dilemma. The national governing body had appointed Gilbert and was happy to indulge him his wages of about £750,000 a year to make sure that Murray was content. In the weeks he was not overseeing the Scot’s career, Gilbert would help the coaching staff at the National Tennis Centre.

The contract was regarded as one of the most remarkable agreed in world tennis - that an association with a remit to build and sustain the sport would pay the wages of a coach who was ostensibly working with one player. Gilbert readily accepted the deal; the rest of the sport looked on in wonder. He brought in Mark Grabow, a fitness coach with the Golden State Warriors basketball team, to build up Murray’s strength.

Together they have worked at only three grand-slam tournaments, the US Opens of 2006 and 2007 and the Australian Open in January, when Murray extended Rafael Nadal, the Spanish world No 2, to five sets in a wondrous fourth-round encounter, after which Gilbert was reduced to tears, so remarkable was his charge’s effort. They would have spent more grand-slam tournaments together but for the wrist injury suffered in Hamburg in May, which forced Murray to miss the French Open and Wimbledon this year.

There is no doubt that, for as long as they have worked together, the partnership has been beneficial. Murray’s ranking soared, Gilbert was one of the best scouting coaches of his ilk and his reputation will not have suffered one jot from the prospective parting of the ways.

Mark Petchey on Sky this morning also seemed to think the rumours were true.

11-14-2007, 05:23 PM

British number one Andy Murray has parted company with coach Brad Gilbert after 16 months working together.
Murray teamed up with Gilbert in July 2006 and rose from 36 in the world rankings to a high of eight.

In a groundbreaking deal, the Lawn Tennis Association paid Gilbert's salary, reportedly about £750,000.

The American signed a three-year contract as a performance director and, alongside being Murray's coach, had a wider role within the LTA.

Murray said: "Despite being injured for almost four months this year, I am pleased with my 2007 results and am very grateful for the help that the LTA have given me by providing Brad Gilbert as a coach.

"But the time has come to move on to the next stage of my career.

"I am ranked 11 in the world and can now afford to pay my own way and so will now hire a team of experts each to fulfil a specified role in the development of my tennis and fitness."

Gilbert's role with the LTA included taking training camps both in the UK and abroad and "helping to raise the playing and coaching standards in the UK".

Whether he will continue with this lower-profile work having split with Murray is uncertain.

Roger Draper, chief executive of the LTA, said: "Andy has had another great year and despite a serious injury has demonstrated that he is a truly world class player.

"Whilst working with Brad he has broken into the top 10, won two ATP titles and reached three finals.

"Andy's success is vital for British tennis and he has become an inspirational figure for followers of the sport.

"It is essential that he has a team around him that will allow him to fulfil his potential. We are currently reviewing the situation in relation to Brad and will look to make a decision in the near future."

The fact that the governing body of tennis in the UK was paying a very large salary to the coach of one of its players was controversial - as was the size of the salary.

But Gilbert came with a CV that included working with former world number ones Andre Agassi and Andy Roddick.

By the end of 2006 he had guided Murray to 17 in the world and the Scot reached a career high of eight in June.

And despite missing three months of this year through injury, Murray was still just one victory from securing a place in the Masters Cup - currently under way in Shanghai - for the world's best eight players.

As for Murray's possible next coach, BBC Radio 5 Live tennis correspondent Jonathan Overend said: "The guy who, for me, is top of the list of favourites to be his new coach is a Canadian by the name of Louis Cayer, who has been working with Andy's brother, Jamie.

"He is specifically a doubles coach but he is very well regarded. He is very technical, very analytical, works on patterns on the tennis court, that sort of thinking that Andy Murray relates a lot to.

"He is a technical, astute kind of thinker about the sport."

I'm thinking that Andy is the sort of player who will change coaches quite a lot.

11-15-2007, 10:17 AM
He's already been through 4 coaches at the age of 20 so I'd agree he'll change coaches quite a lot!!

Or rather Mummy will do it for him?

11-21-2007, 03:16 PM
No news as yet on the "Team of experts". Muzz is on the entry list for Doha.

From smucav, the Doha entry list.

Entry deadline: November 19, 2007
Seeding: December 24, 2007

1 Davydenko, Nikolay RUS 4
2 Robredo, Tommy ESP 10
3 Murray, Andy GBR 11
4 Ljubicic, Ivan CRO 18
5 Karlovic, Ivo CRO 22
6 Starace, Potito ITA 31
7 Kohlschreiber, Philipp GER 32
8 Andreev, Igor RUS 33
9 Tursunov, Dmitry RUS 34
10 Wawrinka, Stanislas SUI 36
11 Santoro, Fabrice FRA 37
12 Volandri, Filippo ITA 40
13 Soderling, Robin SWE 41
14 Calleri, Agustin ARG 42
15 Montanes, Albert ESP 46
16 Koubek, Stefan AUT 47
17 Rochus, Olivier BEL 48
18 Kiefer, Nicolas GER 49
19 Seppi, Andreas ITA 50
20 Lee, Hyung-Taik KOR 51
21 Tipsarevic, Janko SRB 52
22 Berrer, Michael GER 57
23 Hernandez, Oscar ESP 58
24 Bjorkman, Jonas SWE 59
25 Johansson, Thomas SWE 62
26 (Q)
27 (Q)
28 (Q)
29 (Q)
30 (WC)
31 (WC)
32 (WC)

1. Pavel, Andrei ROU 76
2. Hartfield, Diego ARG 86
3. Ventura, Santiago ESP 89
4. Llodra, Michael FRA 92
5. Pashanski, Boris SRB 95
6. Kendrick, Robert USA 106
7. Minar, Ivo CZE 110
8. Gabashvili, Teimuraz RUS 120
9. Odesnik, Wayne USA 121
10. Troicki, Viktor SRB 122
11. Kunitsyn, Igor RUS 125
12. Pless, Kristian DEN 127
13. Granollers-Pujol, Marcel ESP 128
14. De Voest, Rik RSA 129
15. Schuettler, Rainer GER 130
16. Ramirez Hidalgo, Ruben ESP 131
17. Karanusic, Roko CRO 133
18. Hrbaty, Dominik SVK 135
19. Zib, Tomas CZE 137
20. Cipolla, Flavio ITA 140

11-22-2007, 11:00 AM
From The Sun


Published: 21 Nov 2007

ANDY MURRAY has promised to be fitter and stronger next year as he bids to break into the world’s top five.

The tennis star, 20, has made his first appointments to ‘Team Murray’ since splitting from coach Brad Gilbert — bringing in fitness experts Jez Green and Matt Little. "

Jez Green is from the Monte Carlo Academy and worked with Murray as a junior (2002/03) but I've no idea who Matt Little is.

11-22-2007, 02:45 PM
Thanks for the info, dibs :)

Corey Feldman
11-24-2007, 01:04 AM
Good to see him in Qatar again, a tournament that has always been given good exposure by Europsort... so will be sure to watch it :)

as for his off season - who knows... rest/practise

:lol: @ the sports personality this year - lets see? England stuffed in the Ashes, Rugby team stuffed in the world final, England stuffed out of Euro08 this week by Croatia, SUPERSTAR SAVIOUR OF WORLD SPORT Hamilton bottling the F1 championship that 'was his destiny', Henman and Rusedski retiring, a Scot winning the snooker :yeah:

lol, did England win anything big this year? world tiddlywinks championships? if so... expect one and a half hours of the show on that sport.

i think a Boxer will win it myself - not that winning it is worth anything anyhow.

hope they give some good exposure on tennis and not 2 minutes worth.

11-24-2007, 01:06 AM
It'll be Hamilton for sure.

Am I forgiven yet for not agreeing that Junior Slam >> Masters Series?

Corey Feldman
11-24-2007, 01:12 AM
Hehe L

do you really think i am being 100% serious when i say that? ;) i was just winding up the Djokoboppers something silly - i thought you'd see that and come in on it with me :p

i was never really upset with you either, nothing to forgive :hug:

11-24-2007, 01:19 AM

Corey Feldman
11-24-2007, 01:19 AM
It'll be Hamilton for sure.

At least the messiah of world sport will win something then

11-24-2007, 01:24 AM
do you really think i am being 100% serious when i say that? ;) i was just winding up the Djokoboppers something silly - i thought you'd see that and come in on it with me :p

i was never really upset with you either, nothing to forgive :hug:

No, I didn't think you were being serious but even as a joke I can't support anything that means Monfils has been more successful than Andy :p

Corey Feldman
11-24-2007, 01:28 AM
What is so bad about Le Monf ?? lol

11-24-2007, 01:13 PM
I hate his game.

12-15-2007, 11:55 AM
This is a good article from The Daily Telegraph:

Andy Murray ready to cook up a storm
December 15, 2007

By Sue Mott

Andy Murray sent his mum a note this week from Florida. It began: "Congratulations on your award. It obviously wasn't for your cooking." But while Judy Murray's culinary expertise was called into public question at the Sports Journalists' Association Awards Lunch in London on Wednesday, her credentials for the gong were unimpeachable.

She, alongside Enzo Calzaghe and Anthony Hamilton - all of them proud parents of great British scions - were recognised for their unstinting, sacrificial and successful work in producing sportsmen between them who have taken on the world and - here's the rarity - won.

The Guardian's tennis writer once remarked that Mrs Murray was to blame for the poor showing of British tennis - she should have had more children. As it is, we are having to get by with her two, Andy and Jamie, one ranked 11th in the world and the other the Wimbledon mixed doubles champion, who won the tournament in the summer with a huge grin on his face and the patent desire to go out with his lovely Serbian partner, Jelena Jankovic.

They are up there with the Brothers Grimm for fairytales, the Murray boys, and hence the attention. Last month, Murray, A, changed his coach and the news was considered momentous. Brad Gilbert, the American who had coached Andre Agassi and Andy Roddick and was costing the Lawn Tennis Association £750,000 a year, was no longer required - though he will still be working for the LTA next year - and it was announced that Murray would be travelling with a retinue of coaches, trainers and physios. This idea was construed by some as a little over-populated. Michael Stich, the former Wimbledon champion, among others, said it wouldn't work.

Murray is adamant that it can. It is an idea, it suits him, he is going to do it. Those are the progressive stages of his thinking. So far, so good. "I think I'm going to be the best prepared I've ever been for a season. I've never trained so hard in my life as I have for the last two weeks and I'm really looking forward to my new way of doing things," he says.

"A lot of people have made out that I'm going to have so many people around me. But I'm never going to have more than one coach, a fitness trainer and a physio. I don't want to have five coaches, six trainers and three physios. It's just that I know what it's like being on the road all the time with one person and it gets quite stressful. I want to be in a position where I have a couple of coaches, a couple of trainers and a couple of physios who all get on well with each other and are good at what they do. Then they can rotate with each other. That way, if they get tired or want to go home or want to see their family or just want a little break, they can say so. I'll say 'fine'.

"If you travel 30-35 weeks a year, it gets tough. But if you travel 15-16 weeks and you feel fresh and rejuvenated each time you get to a tournament, it's much better. There's not so much pressure on the relationship." Some would argue that Rafael Benitez tried rotation and look where that got him. "Yeah," said Murray. "The Spanish League, the Champions League, the Uefa Cup and the FA Cup." Point conceded.

Nevertheless, there are those who wonder whether this newly hatched notion will have the accidental effect of surrounding the 20-year-old by a harem of yes-men. It is question that ought to be put.

An answer is fired back straightaway. "If people are thinking that, they don't know me. I don't want to have people around me saying, 'Yes, Andy, you're right.' I want to get better. I want to become one of the best players in the world and I'm not stupid enough to think I'm going to get there by listening to people saying, 'Yeah, Andy, you're great already. You don't need to get any better'."

"I think this is the best way to improve. Get fitter, get stronger and find ways of improving the little things. Because I'm a very good tennis player I'm 11th in the world and I can do most things well. But there are a lot of little things that I can do much better and that's going to be the difference between being ranked 11th and being in the top five - or three - in the world."

His current fitness trainer, Jez Green, has been working him 5½ days a week and on the Thursday half-day he is expected to go to a Bikram yoga class. This may sound like a dozy outing for pregnant women who don't mind inhaling incense, but in fact it nearly kills him. "It's insane how hot it is in there. It feels about 45 degrees and all the time you've got to balance, stretch and hold your position. You sweat so much and you feel you're going to faint. It's one of the toughest things I've ever done - and that's supposed to be my afternoon off." But he's not complaining.

This is not the waspish, temperamental character we frequently see on court. The off-duty Andy Murray is quite astonishingly laid-back. You wonder that a temper can lurk at all in the psyche of the amiable creature eating mounds of fruit for breakfast looking out over Miami Bay. At first sight, this is a charmed and orchid-strewn existence. But the sea and sun is incidental to his mission - an assault on the world's top 10. Or five. Or three.

His 2007 was mixed, to say the least, involving an enthralling five-set encounter with Rafael Nadal at the Australian Open, a tournament victory in San Jose, breaking into the top 10, injuring a wrist in Hamburg, missing 3½ months including Wimbledon, mounting a successful comeback, victory in St Petersburg and losing to the young Frenchman, Richard Gasquet, in Paris. Had Murray won, he would have finished the year ranked eighth in the world. Aged 20 and three-quarters. Not bad.

But his analytical mind worked out that there really wasn't much point in flying back for the ceremony, nor in putting money on Ricky Hatton. A huge boxing fan, he happens to possess the greatest respect for the talents of Floyd Mayweather Jr. ?While the Mancunian was engulfed in affectionate hype in the lead-up to the encounter in Las Vegas, Murray was tracking down a pay-per-view screen in the full expectation of a Mayweather win. That kind of unsentimental calculation is pretty handy on the tennis court, too.

You feel that Miles Maclagan, the prospective new man as main coach, will need to keep his mind sharp. "I've been working with Miles over here. I haven't made the decision 100 per cent but I will by the time I go to Doha [the first ATP tournament of the year]."

Eyebrows were raised by the concept of a British [albeit Zimbabwean-born] coach, given Britain's track record in tennis, not to mention football's lust for foreign guidance. "Well, the good thing about Miles is that he's been on the tour a long time, he was in the top 200 as a player and, as a coach, he's worked with Kevin Ullyett and Paul Hanley, who have won a couple of grand slam doubles titles. He keeps himself in good shape, he's not much older than me and we get on well. I need someone I feel I can sit down and have a discussion with. Not get told what to do. I can put my opinion across, they can put theirs, and we will come to a decision based on it.

"I don't think you want someone in an individual sport telling you what to do. It's fine when you're 13-16, you need someone to do that. I had that with my coach Leon Smith. Then I got to the stage when I wanted to do my own thing a little bit more. I was starting to understand tennis. Like anyone - a few people might say I'm a difficult person to deal with, but if you want to sit down and have a discussion with me, I'll listen. I'll give you my opinion and we'll see what happens."

There have been some (cue large blow-up hologram of the former Tory minister, David Mellor - unceremoniously named because he has cheerily dealt with far greater 'outings' than this) who think that Murray's firing and hiring of a coach is symptomatic of the young man being a 'brat'. The person so accused takes the criticism calmly.

"It's nothing personal," he said. "It doesn't make me a brat just because I want to make myself better. I just want to do the right thing for my career. Sorry."

Furthermore, Murray is funding the new venture himself. "I wasn't employing Brad, so it's not the same as was before. I'm paying Miles, so I want to get the best out of him. It's basically my responsibility now. I'm paying for these guys. The weeks Matt Little [fitness trainer] and Andy Ireland [physio] are working for me, I'm paying for them as well. I'm leasing them from the LTA. Maybe that's the difference between being a good player and a great player - taking more responsibility for what you're doing."

As to what Andy Murray will be doing in 2008, obviously that rather depends on what Roger Federer does. The world No 1 does tend to be a slight obstacle to other tennis players' personal ambitions. "Federer is still playing unbelievably well, but I've got no fear. I just feel some matches are bigger than other ones."

These might include his tussles-to-come with the other formidable young talent on the circuit, especially Nadal, last year's Wimbledon finalist, Serbia's Novak Djokovic, Gasquet, Tomas Berdych, of the Czech Republic, and, slightly older and beefier, Marcos Baghdatis, the Cypriot who has made such an impression on Wimbledon these past two summers.

"If we can all improve by 10 per cent, it could make it interesting when it comes to grand slams." Likewise of interest will be the Beijing Olympics, where the Murray brothers are planning to compete as a doubles team, while Andy plays in the singles.

In the meantime, however, there is a Wimbledon to contest, minus the twin distraction of Tim Henman and a football tournament in which we have a patriotic interest. The focus on the Murray boys will be at its most acute, one defending a title and the other inevitably asked that curse of a question posed for what seems like 100 years (but, in fact, it's only 72). It is so hackneyed, that one hardly likes to utter it in public any more. Nevertheless, here goes: "When is a British man going to win Wimbledon again?"

Murray is unperturbed. "It's just something you obviously need to deal with. It could be an interesting summer because obviously we don't have any British team in the European Championship so there could be a lot of attention on tennis. Not could be. There will be. I'll deal with it. It's not in my mind that I'm going to win Wimbledon next year. I don't think it's going to come that quickly. But I hope, by the end of my career, it does." Here's a thought: Murray is the first Briton to say that - and mean it - since the abdication of King Edward VIII.