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l_mac
11-05-2007, 06:23 PM
Time to forget Paris-Bercy. :hug:

Official Site: http://www.masters-cup.com/1/home/

Schedule: http://www.masters-cup.com/2/news/schedule.asp

The draw takes place at The Hilton Hotel on Wednesday 7th November at 2pm local time (7am CET, 1am EST)

I believe Rafa flies to Shangai tomorrow (Tuesday 6th Nov.)

Good Luck, Rafa!!

l_mac
11-05-2007, 06:23 PM
http://image2.sina.com.cn/qc/ul/2007/0525/U1243P355DT20070525151304.jpg

http://www.masters-cup.com/4/photogallery/2007/warriors/2.jpg

http://www.masters-cup.com/4/photogallery/2007/warriors/t2.jpg

Castafiore
11-05-2007, 07:25 PM
http://image2.sina.com.cn/qc/ul/2007/0525/U1243P355DT20070525151304.jpg
Er....YIKES...:bolt:

l_mac
11-05-2007, 07:27 PM
Er....YIKES...:bolt:


:lol: You should see the others.

Castafiore
11-05-2007, 07:40 PM
:lol: You should see the others.
Surely, it can't be worse than this.

Could you post a link?

Metis
11-05-2007, 07:57 PM
Schedule: http://www.masters-cup.com/2/news/schedule.asp


:mad: This means that for me the matches will start at 1 or 2am every day :help:.


I hope Rafa can defend his points here and who knows maybe do even better :) .

l_mac
11-05-2007, 08:06 PM
Surely, it can't be worse than this.

Could you post a link?

Gah, the link won't work (for me anyway) so thanks to legolasfemelle at vb for these:

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/2559/u1243p355dt200705251521mp8.th.jpg (http://img141.imageshack.us/my.php?image=u1243p355dt200705251521mp8.jpg) http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/9818/2322044398ae3ad8zo4.th.jpg (http://img140.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2322044398ae3ad8zo4.jpg) http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/7060/1300250321af03b6yi5.th.jpg (http://img140.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1300250321af03b6yi5.jpg) http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/4060/806891833af391dmp7.th.jpg (http://img138.imageshack.us/my.php?image=806891833af391dmp7.jpg) http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/1573/1336333526afb5b0fb8.th.jpg (http://img135.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1336333526afb5b0fb8.jpg) http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/92/4248127735qk0.th.jpg (http://img141.imageshack.us/my.php?image=4248127735qk0.jpg) http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/6734/1998793620b067e9ou8.th.jpg (http://img135.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1998793620b067e9ou8.jpg) http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/6917/u1243p355dt200706121518mb2.th.jpg (http://img135.imageshack.us/my.php?image=u1243p355dt200706121518mb2.jpg) http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/5280/u1243p355dt200705251513rr8.th.jpg (http://img135.imageshack.us/my.php?image=u1243p355dt200705251513rr8.jpg) http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/3259/u1243p355dt200705251509gp9.th.jpg (http://img148.imageshack.us/my.php?image=u1243p355dt200705251509gp9.jpg) http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/6114/u1243p355dt200705251434nv6.th.jpg (http://img87.imageshack.us/my.php?image=u1243p355dt200705251434nv6.jpg)

:mad: This means that for me the matches will start at 1 or 2am every day :help:.


I hope Rafa can defend his points here and who knows maybe do even better :) .

I'm going to miss it all because of work :mad:

yana
11-05-2007, 08:13 PM
Gah, the link won't work (for me anyway) so thanks to legolasfemelle at vb for these:

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/2559/u1243p355dt200705251521mp8.th.jpg (http://img141.imageshack.us/my.php?image=u1243p355dt200705251521mp8.jpg) http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/9818/2322044398ae3ad8zo4.th.jpg (http://img140.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2322044398ae3ad8zo4.jpg) http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/7060/1300250321af03b6yi5.th.jpg (http://img140.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1300250321af03b6yi5.jpg) http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/4060/806891833af391dmp7.th.jpg (http://img138.imageshack.us/my.php?image=806891833af391dmp7.jpg) http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/1573/1336333526afb5b0fb8.th.jpg (http://img135.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1336333526afb5b0fb8.jpg) http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/92/4248127735qk0.th.jpg (http://img141.imageshack.us/my.php?image=4248127735qk0.jpg) http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/6734/1998793620b067e9ou8.th.jpg (http://img135.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1998793620b067e9ou8.jpg) http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/6917/u1243p355dt200706121518mb2.th.jpg (http://img135.imageshack.us/my.php?image=u1243p355dt200706121518mb2.jpg) http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/5280/u1243p355dt200705251513rr8.th.jpg (http://img135.imageshack.us/my.php?image=u1243p355dt200705251513rr8.jpg) http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/3259/u1243p355dt200705251509gp9.th.jpg (http://img148.imageshack.us/my.php?image=u1243p355dt200705251509gp9.jpg) http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/6114/u1243p355dt200705251434nv6.th.jpg (http://img87.imageshack.us/my.php?image=u1243p355dt200705251434nv6.jpg)



Djoko and Fed are hilarious. Rafa is scary...

Castafiore
11-05-2007, 08:42 PM
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/6114/u1243p355dt200705251434nv6.th.jpg
:haha:

This one is hilarious and Fed's face is HUGE compared with Djoko's.

Thanks for posting them

Sunset of Age
11-06-2007, 01:12 AM
ALL of those are truly atrocious!

Not that it is any of a surpise to me, no... :angel:

Mimi
11-06-2007, 02:16 AM
pfff, who did these paintings, they are so damn ugly :mad:

Tnn74
11-06-2007, 05:32 AM
:lol: they look funny, helps us forget Paris-Bercy...
Vamos Rafa! :rocker2:

hra87
11-06-2007, 03:01 PM
The Bryans and Federer are spot on, Canas and Roddick are pretty good too, perhaps the former's nose should be smaller and the latter's jaw is overdone. The worst is Rafa (makes him look Asian and crazy) and Djokovic (makes him look like a doll with those eyes). All in all, it's not funny to put big noses on everyone and to make them all look much older than they are. But the ones I mentioned above do a good job accentuating all of the funny features off those people's faces to the point of absurdity.

Edit: actually, Robredo's is maybe the most brilliant of the bunch.

Edit: The rest don't actually take into account the players' facial features, they just make them look funny in random ways (big noses/ears) and they're identifiable because only blake is black/bald/beard, etc. Nalbandian's does take into account his facial features, but makes him look old and sinister.

Edit: Blake is hard to do, but for Ljubicic they should have focused on making his bald dome much bigger than his face, that's his main thing. They should have made Davydenko more weasel-y.

l_mac
11-06-2007, 05:48 PM
Reyes at vamosbrigade posted a news clip of Rafa at Palma Airport this morning, heading for Shanghai.

http://www.mallorcadiario.com/images/noviembre2007/nadalsorteo-t.jpg

l_mac
11-07-2007, 08:07 AM
Rafa hoped for a bit of luck with the draw, and he got it.

Gold Group

Nadal
Djokovic
Ferrer
Gasquet

:yeah:

:tape: :help: :tape:

Red Group

Fed
Davydenko
Roddick
Gonzo


Roger must be crapping his pants - Roddick beat him once, 4 years ago :scared:

MariaV
11-07-2007, 08:12 AM
Rafa hoped for a bit of luck with the draw, and he got it.

Gold Group

Nadal
Djokovic
Ferrer
Gasquet

:yeah:

:tape: :help: :tape:

Red Group

Fed
Davydenko
Roddick
Gonzo


Roger must be crapping his pants - Roddick beat him once, 4 years ago :scared:

:spit: Haahaa :rolls: :rolls:
Perfect group for Roger, all his 'best' pidgeons :worship:

Well, I don't like Rafa playing the Djoker again and he MUST beat Ferru this time! :mad: He can lose to lil' Richie :angel:

Beat the crap out of this Djoker this time Rafaaaa! :banana: :yippee: :bigclap: :bounce:

*OK my fangirl routine is done for the day*

Foxy
11-07-2007, 08:58 AM
I hoped for Rafa not to be in the same group with Djoko and Ferrer both together and what happened...
The draw is rigged :mad:

MariaV
11-07-2007, 10:04 AM
Rafa and Richie start on Sunday. :scared:

CENTER COURT
Matches Start At: 2:00 PM

Rafael NADAL (ESP) vs Richard GASQUET (FRA)

natinhall
11-07-2007, 12:43 PM
Rafa hoped for a bit of luck with the draw, and he got it.

Gold Group

Nadal
Djokovic
Ferrer
Gasquet

:yeah:

:tape: :help: :tape:

Red Group

Fed
Davydenko
Roddick
Gonzo


Roger must be crapping his pants - Roddick beat him once, 4 years ago :scared:


:lol: :haha: :rolls:

This is a big JOKE!

WTF is this draw?
This is so easy for Roger and hard for Nadal!
The must stupid draw ever. :retard: :rolleyes:

Gosh! Nadal is f*cked! :hysteric: Djoko and Ferrer in the same draw, is unfair! :lol: I feel sorry for Rafa, will be very difficult for him. But, supposing he advances to the semi finals in the first position, it will be excellent. However, will be soooo hard get the first position. :unsure:

I pity for Rafa. He is really a lucky guy. :lol: :lol:

natinhall
11-07-2007, 01:19 PM
Davydenko, Gonzalez and Roddick lost 34 of 35 matches against Federer together. Just Roddick defeated Roger once, 4 years ago! :eek:

Gosh. This is unbelievable! :lol: :haha:

Ti-Anne
11-07-2007, 03:03 PM
yeah that's NOT fair ! :(
But I have faith in Rafa, he'll fight and if he goes through this, well, that'll be a good omen for 2008 :)

Denise
11-07-2007, 03:15 PM
Nice draw for Rafa!
God luck baby, you already had some luck (with the draw) ;)
:banana:

Denise
11-07-2007, 03:21 PM
http://image2.sina.com.cn/qc/ul/2007/0525/U1243P355DT20070525151304.jpg



OMG! :bolt:
That's hilarious :eek: :eek: :lol:

natinhall
11-07-2007, 03:29 PM
OMG! :bolt:
That's hilarious :eek: :eek: :lol:

That's extremely dreadful. :lol:

l_mac
11-07-2007, 03:53 PM
Rafa has arrived in Shanghai and seen the draw:

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/9688/u2481p6t12d3277546f44dtni5.jpg

But he's made of tough stuff, and knows he can get the job done.

http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/4964/6941401hi0.jpg

Denise
11-07-2007, 05:03 PM
That's extremely dreadful. :lol:

For sure :haha:
Caricature it's so funny, but they exaggerated Rafa's face :eek: big nose, big face :lol: He is not ugly like that, he is gorgeous :hearts:

Denise
11-07-2007, 05:08 PM
Rafa has arrived in Shanghai and seen the draw:

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/9688/u2481p6t12d3277546f44dtni5.jpg

But he's made of tough stuff, and knows he can get the job done.

http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/4964/6941401hi0.jpg

Thank you for the pics :yeah::drool:
I'd like to know what he thinks about the draw. Anyway, good luck in Shanghai Rafa! :worship: You know you can do it ;)

Xristos
11-07-2007, 05:21 PM
VAMOOOOS!

Please take down Nole and Ferrer and get your revenge!

the_natural
11-08-2007, 12:59 AM
Rafa hoped for a bit of luck with the draw, and he got it.

Gold Group

Nadal
Djokovic
Ferrer
Gasquet

:yeah:

:tape: :help: :tape:

Red Group

Fed
Davydenko
Roddick
Gonzo


Roger must be crapping his pants - Roddick beat him once, 4 years ago :scared:

Yep i guess it pays to kiss the right a%%.

What a joke of a draw. Gasguet and Djoko and Nadal all the people who can at least challenge their beloved federer (they worship him like a god over there remember the 05 masters final against nalby).

Roddick and Davydenko also both have injury problems (not that it makes a difference cos Davydenko has a case of cant-win-itis and roddick is a neanderthal with all flash and no substance). And we know gonzalez has been out of it since the Aussie, all 3 of them have problems with winning, they are allergic to winning big matches especially against the man they think is invincible (which is strange cos davydenko causes him the samae problems nalby does, he just doesnt believe he can win).

Heres how it will go, federer will play his first match hell be tight lacking in confidence a bit (not much cos hes won like 40 consecutive matches against these clowns), he will shank a lot of shots but still pull through in 2 tight sets, heck it may even happen in his second match, then he will get to the semis (maybe ferrer, depends on who can beat gasguet, hopefully rafa can pull a rabbit like last year and this time get federer), the person he versus will be worn out after having to fight tooth and nail. Makes the finals and he will have an easy victory like last year cos who ever it is woulda had to work their ass off in round robin and then probably squeeks through the semis.

Rafa is gonna struggle, I really hope Nole does well this year, u guys dont like him but hes the only guy who can give Federer trouble if he hopefully makes the semis and faces him there.

the_natural
11-08-2007, 01:05 AM
Im worried cos this is one year he could lose all 3 matches, Gasguet is dangerous. If rafa plays like he did in that first set against nalbandian though, well as the commentators said he coulda beaten anyone else in the top 10 with that playing style.

amierin
11-08-2007, 03:22 AM
Fed goes 3-0 in RR play unless someone in the Red group grows a pair...
Rafa as usual will have to bite and claw his way through.

hra87
11-08-2007, 05:23 AM
Literally the worst possible draw. I was hoping for the exact opposite.

l_mac
11-08-2007, 04:13 PM
Originally posted by veyonce at vb.com

Extracts from Sina.com's article on the tennis players' arrival in Shanghai:-

Translation: Veyonce

Happy Nadal

When he's off-court, Nadal is like a next-door boy. When he meets his fellow spanish speaking compatriots, his shyness will transform into joy. Taking down his big headphones, he leaned his body and listened carefully to all the questions. "Oh, I'm in the same group with Novak? That is good, very good." He then muttered, "Everyone is very strong in this group, it will be a very intense competition."

As always, Uncle Toni is by his side. Nadal maintains the Spanish way of thinking of a big family, and his huge entourage of family and friends will arrive in the coming days. "My family and friends have already treated coming to Shanghai as a family event. We like it here a lot." Nadal has no hope of catching up with Roger's ATP points, to become the world number 1 at the end of the season. "But I will still try my very best, whenever I defeated him, it will always excite me." After arriving the hotel not long after, he already confirmed his training schedule with the organisation committee for the day. This energetic chap Nadal is always bursting with energy.
http://sports.sina.com.cn/s/2007-11-08/14571298576s.shtml

Another Sina article
Nadal Straight To Court After Arrival Claims To Be In A Very Interesting Group

8 November 2007 03:29

A Training Fanatic

Nadal arrived 15 minutes earlier than Roddick. Nadal dressed casually with big headphones hanging on his neck was accompanied by his uncle, Toni Nadal. Nadal learnt that he is in the same group with Novak, Gasquet and Ferrer after stepping down from the plane. He just smiled, "This will be a very interesting group, everyone is very strong." Soon after, he then quickly sneaked into his awaiting Mercedes Benz.

After settling down, Nadal took out his mobile and said to the chauffeur, "My mobile has no battery left, can charge?" Soon after his mobile is well functioning. Nadal's mobile is an inexpensive orange silver walkman handphone.

With the journey of 20 minutes before reaching the Hilton hotel, Nadal expressed that he wants to go straight for his practice session. After some discussion, the organisation committee confirmed that he can practice from 7pm to 9pm. At 6.30pm, Nadal with his 2 entourage arrived at Jing An stadium but maybe he was too hungry, he had to eat first before training.

As Qizhong tennis centre is too far, players including Federer and Nadal have taken Jing An Stadium as their training base. Just yesterday, many players have practiced at Jing An Stadium with the exception of Novak whom went to Qizhong Stadium to feel the atmosphere.
http://sports.sina.com.cn/s/2007-11-08/03291297997s.shtml  

l_mac
11-08-2007, 04:14 PM
Taking down his big headphones, he leaned his body and listened carefully to all the questions. "Oh, I'm in the same group with Novak? That is good, very good."

:haha: :haha:

Sunset of Age
11-08-2007, 06:13 PM
:haha: :haha:

He has an admirable sense of humour. :yeah:

sonia
11-08-2007, 07:25 PM
Thanks for the news and pics!! :yeah:


Vamos Rafa!!! :bigclap:

natinhall
11-08-2007, 07:52 PM
:

Taking down his big headphones, he leaned his body and listened carefully to all the questions. "Oh, I'm in the same group with Novak? That is good, very good."

haha: :haha:


Sincere, ironical or vengeful??? :lol:

ill-will? :rolls:

Vamos Rafa! Take him down! :boxing: :lol:

Denise
11-08-2007, 10:53 PM
Thanks for the translation! :yeah:
Great news!!!! Vamos Rafitcho!!!!! :rocker2:

l_mac
11-08-2007, 11:03 PM
Lalala!

Wish we had a sticky-giver in this forum :sad:

Thanks to salamader and rafabulous at vamosbrigade for finding/uploading this footage of rafa arriving in Shanghai.

x8U3B9mlL40

The boy's a pro.

the_natural
11-09-2007, 12:25 AM
Its gonna be hell argh, especially considering Novak has been in shanghai the longest to train and have no stress or pressure from Paris. I think Gasguet may be the worst for wear in his group i really hope Rafa can take down ferrer early, the last thing he needs is another guy believin he has rafas number.

hra87
11-10-2007, 04:57 AM
You CANNOT be serious...

He has a spasm in his left quadricept, he'll have to rest for a couple of days and take some anti-inflammatories, but he'll be ok for Sunday (http://www.marca.com/edicion/marca/tenis/copa_masters/es/desarrollo/1055737.html)

l_mac
11-10-2007, 03:57 PM
^^ I read at vb.com that he trained normally on Friday. No need to panic (I hope)

the_natural
11-11-2007, 05:59 AM
You CANNOT be serious...

He has a spasm in his left quadricept, he'll have to rest for a couple of days and take some anti-inflammatories, but he'll be ok for Sunday (http://www.marca.com/edicion/marca/tenis/copa_masters/es/desarrollo/1055737.html)

I wish he just wouldnt play, better that than make the semis through a tough struggle and lose then end up worse for wear

Denise
11-11-2007, 05:38 PM
He won !!!!!
Congrats Rafa!!!! :rocker2:

l_mac
11-12-2007, 12:55 AM
A good win for Rafa today :woohoo:

I don't know why people were concerned about the "injury" - wasn't it just cramp (probably brought on by the long flight?) He looked fine today and said he feels 100% physically.

natinhall
11-12-2007, 01:07 AM
Good win! :banana: :woohoo:

I think against Ferrer will be more difficult, but Rafa feels good physically, and playing more agressive, and having patience, he can win Pics, and after Djokovic. =)

:banana: :dance:

VAMOS!

hra87
11-12-2007, 02:13 AM
Nadal should be able to take Djokovic considering the latter's current form (REVENGE!), though maybe he'll improve.

Ferrer will be interesting...

If Rafa wins all his matches, a Ferrer-Federer match will be really interesting. If Roger's serve is off, Ferrer will have a decent shot, since Roger has trouble with players who can prolong rallies and make shots from both wings.

the_natural
11-12-2007, 12:24 PM
A good win for Rafa today :woohoo:

I don't know why people were concerned about the "injury" - wasn't it just cramp (probably brought on by the long flight?) He looked fine today and said he feels 100% physically.

Yeh I must say he didnt show any signs of any injury whatsoever one could not even tell that he had chronic tendinitis at the USO.

And his playing style was very positive, I liek how he got pissed off after the first set and went to be more aggressive as a result, rather than becomin defensive.

He can definatley beat Djoko, hes not been the same since that uso loss, doesnt go for his shots as often and just in general is lacking the flair and the fire he had before hand, its like rafa post wimbledon 06.

Ferrer is the one to fear, they are the perfect match up cos ferrer loves the pace of his opponents, hes a ball machine player, he loves the standard fast ball machine shots (top or flat shots and on this low bouncing surface topspin shots bounce perfectly into his zone thats why Ferrer matched so well with djoko).

As far as a federer-ferrer match up, Federer will slice alot of balls to Ferrer, he will most likely give him the biggest beating of the week, ball machine players hate it when they are made to think (also consider how effective slice is on this surface which was practically made for federer hmmmmmm). Oh yeh plus hes afraid of federer and worships his talent too much, he believes he can beat rafa cos he has and cos they always train together

Hope to see alot of successful forays to the net like in the gasguet match when he won like 14 in a row from there, and use that slider to great effect.

hra87
11-12-2007, 03:07 PM
As far as a federer-ferrer match up, Federer will slice alot of balls to Ferrer, he will most likely give him the biggest beating of the week, ball machine players hate it when they are made to think (also consider how effective slice is on this surface which was practically made for federer hmmmmmm). Oh yeh plus hes afraid of federer and worships his talent too much, he believes he can beat rafa cos he has and cos they always train together


Well, Ferrer has only had this level of form for a short period of time, and there aren't very many great backhand slices in the game. But Djokovic has a good one, and Ferrer apparently held his own yesterday (didn't watch it). I think you're underestimating Ferrer's tactical ability though. And considering today's game, I don't think confidence will be the issue against Federer.

l_mac
11-12-2007, 09:23 PM
Rafa's presser from yesterday:

Rafael Nadal

SHANGHAI, CHINA

THE MODERATOR: Questions, please.

Q. You had kind of a slow start today. Can you talk about how you got into the match and what you were thinking at the beginning?

RAFAEL NADAL: Well, a little bit in the beginning a little bit nervous. Every match is very difficult because you play only against the best. So I start the match with, well, little bit doubts, no? But later I play a little bit more aggressive.
Very important was do the break in the beginning of the second. I finish much better than I start, no? (Si!)

Q. You did a really good job this time, but at the same time I noticed that your opponent also did a good job and won the first set. Could you make some comments on those young players, about the same age as you, coming up this year like Novak and Richard? :rolleyes:

RAFAEL NADAL: Well, the tennis, I don't know how much years, but every year the new players come, no? Right now the tour in very good positions, very young players is coming, no? Djokovic, me, Gasquet, Berdych, Monfils, Del Potro, Murray, a lot of players, very young players the same age like me or one less, no?
So is nice for the tennis, too, and is nice for me because I played against these players when I was in juniors, I have 14 years old.

Q. I noticed that your knees are still taped up. Could you give us an idea how you're doing physically and how you felt out there?

RAFAEL NADAL: Everything perfect. So no comments about the knees, because I can't comment nothing because is perfect. :yeah: (Hope you're not lying)

Q. For quite a good stretch it seemed like you and Roger had a considerable distance on the next tier at the top of men's tennis. We've seen Novak come up a lot this year. Also Nalbandian played extraordinary the last few weeks. Do you think there's an arrival where there's more of a crowd of players at the top? (Groundbreaking stuff, as always)

RAFAEL NADAL: Sure, no, for the last two years Roger and me we have -- well, Roger have one difference, me another difference, and after another players close, no?
But right now Djokovic, he's having a very good season. He's playing unbelievable level. So he has his chances for be No. 1, No. 2. I think we know, we accept. (NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!)
Murray is coming very well, too. Was tough year for him because he has an important injury. But if not, in my opinion, Murray be here right now, no?
So, yeah, the next year is going to be more players fighting for be No. 1, No. 2.

Q. What is your comment on the terra cotta warrior statue? How do you like it? Will you take it home with you?

RAFAEL NADAL: Yes, I don't know where I can put the terra cotta (laughter). I didn't think about the place because is big, no?
Well, is different. I don't know. Maybe at the entrance to the house. But outside, not inside (smiling). No more ideas from my mind. :haha:

Q. In today's match, which aspect do you think you outplayed Richard Gasquet?
RAFAEL NADAL: I don't know, no? The match was close. He start playing better than me. We didn't start very well, in my opinion. Richard and me, we didn't start very well, having mistakes.
But later he improve. I improve, too, later. I play more aggressive. I made important rhythm on the legs, in the movement. I improve a lot that when the match is coming. For that reason, I can finish the match playing more aggressive than the beginning.
Going more times to the net, that's important point for me. For example, in the last game, I have very important point, the last one, going to the net, no? In the 4-3, serve and volley sometimes. Is important for me try to play like this.

Q. Just a little bit about Novak, since you kind of had a big year like that once in your career. How hard is it going to be for him to keep up that momentum in the second year after having such fantastic results? How hard do you think it will be, from your experiences, when you had that similar situation? (Zzzzzzzzz. And Rafa's breakout year was much better :( )

RAFAEL NADAL: Every player is different, no? Well, he's very good. In my opinion, well, he going to feel the pression a little bit. Little bit more than this year, but that doesn't matter for him, no, because he has advantage, an advantage compared with me at the second year.
He serve much better so he has a lot of free points. So that always is a big help for pull out the pression, no? I think next year he gonna be -- he gonna do the same results or better. My opinion. Because he's young and he's improving.

Q. As you just said, you're playing some serve and volley this year. Obviously you pushed Roger very hard in the Wimbledon final. How confident are you that you can close the gap or do you feel you're closing the gap on Roger at the top?

RAFAEL NADAL: Well, this year was the year when I am closer to him. But the closer thing is 995 points. That's not very close. That's a lot of points (smiling).
That's it, no. Wimbledon final was important match. Very important.

Q. Novak said you guys hang out with each other after he defeated Roger Federer in Montréal. What about now in Shanghai? You are now in the same group. You are now opponents. After the match or before the match, do you have plans to hang out with Novak in Shanghai? :sad:

RAFAEL NADAL: That's not true. That's not true. :lol: :yeah: In Montréal, was a coincidence we were in the same restaurant. I invite him a drink for congratulate him. But that's enough, no? I didn't go out with him, no?
Well, I don't have better relation with Novak than with Roger. (we know, we know :lol: ) I can celebrate nothing for the win of Novak. :haha: (me either) He's another player. He's a nice guy. :rolleyes: Well, but, I didn't go out never with him yet. That's the true. I don't know in the future.

Q. It's your third time to come to Shanghai for the Tennis Masters Cup. What is your impression about the fans here in China?

RAFAEL NADAL: Is different. Nice experience. Is fourth time for me in China. So the fans here in China, they show a lot of emotions always. So wait in the hotel every time. Doesn't matter the hour, no? If you come back at 2:00 in the morning, the fans are there every time (laughter). So that's very nice experience for us.
Well, the Chinese people I think is learning in the tennis tour the last years. So going to be a very important market for us in the future, having important tournaments, no, here. Well, is always special be here. The crowd is different, too.

End of FastScripts

http://www.asapsports.com/show_interview.php?id=46604

l_mac
11-12-2007, 09:25 PM
From Nole's presser:


Q. If Nadal would invite you to go out, would you go with him?

NOVAK DJOKOVIC: I have no answer for that question.

:haha: :haha: :haha:

MariaV
11-12-2007, 09:27 PM
Nole didn't want to talk much, he was quite disappointed after the loss. :lol:
I hope he'll lose to Rafa too. :D

hra87
11-12-2007, 09:45 PM
Haha, that was one of my favorite pressers to read from Rafa. Very funny. I didn't think asapsports was doing shanghai. I'll have to start reading those.

Edit: One thing I dislike about Djokovic is how many times he adds that he's the favorite to win. Jesus. People complain that Rafa never admits he's the favorite, I find that endearing.

Sunset of Age
11-12-2007, 10:26 PM
Nole didn't want to talk much, he was quite disappointed after the loss. :lol:
I hope he'll lose to Rafa too. :D

Sure as HELL I want that, too! :devil: :angel:

l_mac
11-12-2007, 10:36 PM
^^ I hope he'll lose to Gasquet :lol:

MariaV
11-12-2007, 10:38 PM
Djoker to lose all matches! :rocker: :devil:
LOL that was some presser from Djoker again :o :rolleyes:

natinhall
11-12-2007, 11:35 PM
I like Nole, but I prefer Gasquet.

Vamos Rafa!

Allez Richard!

:banana: :dance:

the_natural
11-13-2007, 02:12 AM
Well, Ferrer has only had this level of form for a short period of time, and there aren't very many great backhand slices in the game. But Djokovic has a good one, and Ferrer apparently held his own yesterday (didn't watch it). I think you're underestimating Ferrer's tactical ability though. And considering today's game, I don't think confidence will be the issue against Federer.

I dont wanna argue cos im biased against ferrer I just havent liked Him very much this year especially after losing that match in hamburg and having the audacity to beat my rafa at the uso, that one in particular made me hold a grudge.

I watched it, Djoko made 40+ unforced errors 24 off the backhand but Ferrer was getting a hell of alot of shots back so deep and he was dangerous on the run to the forehand in particular, both guys were just running so much and striking the ball very very well, he forced djoko into more errors i believe.


And I question the thing about confidence, he has the confidence to beat anyone in the world... except Federer, playing federer for him is like playing in practice versus playing in a grandslam, I know he believes in his abilities (dear lord hes proved that every week since beating Roddick in Cincy), but do u really think he believes enough to take out federer in a big match (even though I personally think your right his game if properley executed is the worst match up for federer).

And now federer may not be the one he plays in the semis if rafa goes undefeated lol Gonzo might go 3-0

the_natural
11-13-2007, 02:23 AM
What do you guys think now?? Id rather rafa play federer in the semis than Gonzo, Gonzo is a bad match up. Gonzo can go through undefeated possibly, Rafa can too, gonna be hard against ferrer but if hes undefeated and So is gonzo, then he plays fed for sure. Then again id rather he not play fed in the semi cos im nervous since last year.... hmmm

Just focus on now I guess. I dont want Novak to go through and lose all 3, its great having him, he takes pressure off Rafa too, for so long rafa was alone at the top being the most hated player for defeating their god federer, and he was the humble polite one, Novak is the outspoken one, if he starts to beat their lord and saviour then everyone will lay off rafa.

hra87
11-13-2007, 05:12 AM
I liked Ferrer before the Rafa match, I liked him even more afterwards. Although I liked him a bit less when he let Djokovic make the final (I've never rooted for Roger that hard in my life!). We'll have to see about the confidence issue, hopefully he'll get a shot at Federer.

Hmm...what to think, predictions, predictions. I missed the Davydenko match, is he back to form? Is his serve back, it's normally quite adequate, but lately...EEK! I'd say Roger actually has a decent shot at losing to Roddick (this will be the only time I'll ever root for Roddick, I'd love to see Roger lose in the RR, then Nadal will have a decent shot at #1), if you keep in mind Roddick's excellent form at USO, how close he came here last year, only a 3-setter, big confidence boost when a fellow turkey moved back to pigeon status, and Federer playing slightly subpar with low confidence. I'd give Roddick a 30% shot. Normally I'd say a .3% shot, but we'll see.

On this side, obviously hoping for an undefeated Nadal, a one loss Ferrer, and a 3 loss Djokovic.

I didn't make any predictions here, but frankly, it's looking way to hard to predict this tournament (which is a good thing).

MariaV
11-13-2007, 07:36 AM
LOL that USO final was one of the worst there's been lately, errors galore from both gee, and I rooted for Roger too. :lol:

Ferrer seems to be in a solid form still, and Gonzo was just hammering his fh again of what I saw, oh I abslolutely love Gonzo when he's in the 'AO 2007' demolishing mode. :D It's a joy to watch and even Fed was clueless again yesterday. I wonder what's up with Roger, of course Gonzo bombing out of his mind didn't help... I agree with his fans who say he needs a coach ASAP for the next season or he might not get the coveted 15+ GS titles. :lol:

hra87
11-13-2007, 02:42 PM
Argh. Still should make the semis. But it'll be funny if Gonzo and Ferrer go undefeated, Federer and Nadal have 1 loss. Then Gonzo beats Nadal and Ferrer beats Federer. All real possibilities.

NevaNadal
11-13-2007, 02:54 PM
Argh. Still should make the semis.

This is my first year watching this somewhat confusing Tourney, but I thought that if Djoke woke up and managed to beat Rafa that he and Rafa would be out :confused:

At any rate, not looking very good for Rafa right now.

I'm so fucking glad this season/year is almost over. Too stressful :sad: :eek:

Foxy
11-13-2007, 02:59 PM
I am a little confused.
What are the odds for Rafa to qualify?
What are the rules?
If 2 players have the same number of wins and losses do they take into account the match between or the sets won?
If 3 players are tied then the sets won will make the difference. That's for sure.
I try to find the rules, watched previous years' grouping and I can't find any logic.

natinhall
11-13-2007, 03:52 PM
Gosh. Im so sad. :hysteric: Rafa is 3rd in the Gold group. Im concerned, defeats Djokovic will be very difficult. Although Nole is playing very bad, he can wake up in the next match. Rafa seemed exhausted in 3rd set, he didn't run in the balls, and couldn't be aggressive. I was very confident in a victory of Rafa.:crying2:

What will be now? :hysteric: :unsure:

cc2monac
11-13-2007, 04:10 PM
nole I like you a lot but please just don't wake up! I can't believe rafa lst this match! he wasted to much break point...anyway he can still make it to the semi so good luck rafa!

natinhall
11-13-2007, 04:17 PM
Ferrer was playing very agressive, very well, and Rafa just ran to the balls. I dont like when he plays so defensively. :(. I hope he can play better against Nole... :unsure:

veyonce
11-13-2007, 04:33 PM
He wasn't aggressive enough... Will be a tough one against Djokovic..

hra87
11-13-2007, 04:39 PM
Nadal on hard is sooo aggravating. It's not that he's out of form, it's not that he's injured, it's not that this is an un-fixably bad surface for him; We know he can play more aggressive, why doens't he? ARGH!

I know it's easier said than done, but he's shown he's capable of it. If he was just bad on hard, then I could say, who cares, this just isn't his surface. But that clearly isn't the case.

natinhall
11-13-2007, 05:10 PM
hra87, I agree. Indeed, we cant say he was out of form. I really CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHY HE INSISTS IN PLAY SOOOO DEFENSIVE.He plays better and has more chances to win when he plays more aggressive. :retard: I cant understand. This fact anger me A LOT! :mad:

Gosh, when rafa will be convinced that he should play more aggressive? Please Rafa, you can't play defensive, specially against Ferrer, that run a lot.:smash: Play better and more aggressive against Nole, will be your LAST CHANCE!

Or maybe he has difficulty to play more agressive :unsure:

Sunset of Age
11-13-2007, 05:26 PM
It's not easy for Raf to play more aggressive, as it isn't his 'natural' style of playing - he mostly relies on his superb defensive skills. Unfortunately for him, David Ferrer played GREAT, and there wasn't much Raf could do about it.

But no need for panicking yet I think - from what I understood from Djoko's presser, he's very tired and lost quite some of his confidence. Raf might well be able to blow him off court in two sets, and then he'll be qualified, no matter what. Let's keep the faith, people!

cc2monac
11-13-2007, 05:53 PM
nole is not in great form as claybuzza said so I don't see rafa loosing to him...(if he does he realy has a prob'!)
if ferrer plays like this vs richard I don't see richard winning too...I don't know what davids eats in the morning but it is full of power and energy!
so let's keep smiling! our rafa will make it! (please rafa...I want to see you in semi!)

yana
11-13-2007, 06:36 PM
Rafa might be tired as well as Nole. And remember, this is not even his favorite surface and he still put on a good fight against an on-fire Ferrer, unlike Nole.
We should be proud of him no matter what...

l_mac
11-13-2007, 07:02 PM
BOOOOOOOOO. HISSSSSSSSSSSS.

I haven't watched the match yet, and I don't know if I'll bother. :sad:

If Nadal loses to Djokovic, I'll ... I'll ... well, I don't know what I'll do - but it won't be nice :(

NevaNadal
11-13-2007, 08:13 PM
I'm watching the match right now and Rafa started to fall apart during the first set which was an indication of what was to come.

Some are saying that it sounds like he is ready to go home, so we will see.

I certainly won't be getting up early to see him play on Thursday.

But, maybe for the last time this year...

Vamos Rafa!!

natinhall
11-13-2007, 08:17 PM
BOOOOOOOOO. HISSSSSSSSSSSS.

I haven't watched the match yet, and I don't know if I'll bother. :sad:

If Nadal loses to Djokovic, I'll ... I'll ... well, I don't know what I'll do - but it won't be nice :(

:lol: :haha: :haha:

I really hope Rafa will win Djokovic too...If he loses will be terrible. :hysteric:

MariaV
11-13-2007, 08:37 PM
It's not easy for Raf to play more aggressive, as it isn't his 'natural' style of playing - he mostly relies on his superb defensive skills. Unfortunately for him, David Ferrer played GREAT, and there wasn't much Raf could do about it.

But no need for panicking yet I think - from what I understood from Djoko's presser, he's very tired and lost quite some of his confidence. Raf might well be able to blow him off court in two sets, and then he'll be qualified, no matter what. Let's keep the faith, people!

Well I wouldn't be so sure about blowing the Djoker off the court, he has quite a few tricks up his sleeve. ;)
But both boys Rafa and Djoker seem tired indeed.

I'm not gonna talk about the passiveness here as you've said it all, I simply don't understand, he started so well (of course David made more errors at the beginning) and then just fell apart. :( It's not like he didn't have chances in the 2nd set. :rolleyes: But David's flat powerful hitting was impressive indeed, taking the ball early and coming into court, creating great angles.

yana
11-13-2007, 09:13 PM
But both boys Rafa and Djoker seem tired indeed.

I agree with you 100%, that's my impression too. The older ones are fresher than the kids.:(
But I think Djoko will like to deny Rafa's acces in semis, so I guess he'll make his life miserable.

alisia
11-13-2007, 10:05 PM
I've just sat & watched the whole match & whilst I'm obviously very pleased David won Rafa played very well :D Now hopefully they will both win their next matches & make the semi's :D Ironically Rafa should have the easier match :o

hra87
11-13-2007, 10:30 PM
Out of curiosity, if Rafa loses in 3 and Gasquet loses in 2, then won't rafa STILL be in the semis. So all he has to do is get 1 set off Djokovic?

In that scenario:

Ferrer: 6-1
Rafa: 4-5
Gasquet: 3-4
Djokovic: 2-5

Since I'm pretty sure Gasquet will lose in 2 sets to Ferrer, I'm not worrying. Plus, I expect Rafa to beat Djokovic (though Djokovic will want to prevent Rafa from getting points and Rafa does seem almost as tired as Djokovic).

The up side is that Rafa's #1 chances are looking even slimmer than before, so I can officially stop caring. Roger has 6530, Rafa has 5535. Difference 995. Let's assume Roger wins his next 2, and Rafa wins against Djokovic, both have gained 200. If Roger loses in the semis, and Rafa wins it all, Roger gains 200, Nadal gains 650. So then it'd be 6730 vs. 6185. Difference: 545. If Rafa gets to semis in Chennai again, they'll be still at 545. If Rafa makes the final at AO, he gains 550 and takes #1 by 5 points even if he loses to Roger.

Is that correct? That's actually not bad.

Haha, just looked at the masters cup site, they have nadal at 3-2. I wonder if they'll let him keep that record, since it was their error :devil:

Edit: I don't know though, if Rafa got #1 like that, it wouldn't feel like he's #1. Not really, not with Roger having 3 slams.

Derek1206
11-13-2007, 10:47 PM
Ugh. :sad:

It was a good chance to seal the deal for a SF berth today, but it didn't happen. :(

Hopefully he can beat Djokovic. :unsure:

Sunset of Age
11-14-2007, 01:22 AM
Well I wouldn't be so sure about blowing the Djoker off the court, he has quite a few tricks up his sleeve. ;)
But both boys Rafa and Djoker seem tired indeed.

Djoker might well be tired, but Raf? No, I don't think so. He still has a very good chance to reach the semi's indeed. Raf didn't get beaten by David today because he was tired - nay, the truth was that he got beat by a better player today. Sad but true. :angel:

I'm not gonna talk about the passiveness here as you've said it all, I simply don't understand, he started so well (of course David made more errors at the beginning) and then just fell apart. :( It's not like he didn't have chances in the 2nd set. :rolleyes: But David's flat powerful hitting was impressive indeed, taking the ball early and coming into court, creating great angles.

That so-called passiveness wasn't as much Rafa's fault as it was due to his opponent's WONDERFUL playing. Sometimes one just should be able to admit that one's opponent just played BETTER.
Rafa was well able to do so. Why not follow his example as his fans? ;)

Mimi
11-14-2007, 01:49 AM
i never like ferrrer, coz he sometimes is bad tempered on court, and looks rude and cold, almost never see him smiles, when the match was finished and they shaked hand, i can feel that ferrrer is not that friendly with nadal :p , rafa seems to be a more warm person, and now i have more reason to dislike ferrer, he beats my poor baby rafa :mad: :mad:

RogiRafaFan86
11-14-2007, 02:00 AM
i never like ferrrer, coz he sometimes is bad tempered on court, and looks rude and cold, almost never see him smiles, when the match was finished and they shaked hand, i can feel that ferrrer is not that friendly with nadal :p , rafa seems to be a more warm person, and now i have more reason to dislike ferrer, he beats my poor baby rafa :mad: :mad:

That's not true at all. Rafa and Ferru are good friends. David has been nothing but complimentary of Rafa every time he talks about him. David is very sweet, and all the Spanish players say he is one of the nicest guys you will ever meet in your life. If you watched them prior to the match, when they took a picture together, they were smiling and everything (and not just for the picture). There is nothing close to bad blood between those two.

hra87
11-14-2007, 03:40 AM
Yah, Rafa and Ferrer have always been good friends. Hopefully after TMC Ferrer will be ranked 5 (I don't hate Roddick, but I hate his game). I like Davydenko well enough, but it's time for him to get out of the top 5 as well; we need some Murrays and Gasquets and (crosses fingeres) Nalbandians there.

And just to note, I mentioned my disappointment with Rafa, and that he might be tired, but I certainly think he was outclassed today. Ferrer, I think, has establishing himself as the best defensive player there is on hard courts. I do think Rafa might be tired though (mentally more than physically), not because of how he was playing, but because someone in the GM post said that he said something like "i can't take this anymore" during the match; I didn't notice it while I was watching, is that right? Also he looked kinda down in his post-match interview. We'll see. My disappointment isn't that Rafa wasn't 100% or wasn't "on," I'm disappointed that he can't keep up his Indian Wells mindset. I'm not saying it's easy, but as a fan it's difficult to watch when you see how well he can play. It's like watching Gasquet :tape:.

Edit: by the way, Rafa is still an excellent hard court player. He is only losing to the players that are "on," but the issue is if he was better even they couldn't stop him. I mean, look at his hard court losses this year (excluding the fluke at cincy): Djokovic (beat federer same tournament), Ferrer (absolutely on fire), Nalby/Nalby ('nough said), then Ferrer again. Nothing to be ashamed of.

If you think about it, Roger's lost to 3 of those players in that same tournament, but 2 of the 3 times was lucky enough to get them in the finals. Would he have been able to beat Ferrer when Ferrer was playing like that? We'll probably be able to see soon!

So I'm mostly not that disappointed with Rafa, but I think if he played his Indian Wells game he could have beaten Djokovic and Ferrer both times (they'd still be tough matches), and he could have at least not been embarassed against Nalby.

Mimi
11-14-2007, 03:58 AM
well, may be Ferrer is really a nice person, but for me, he looks very fierce :bolt:

sorry, i still don't like him :ras:

That's not true at all. Rafa and Ferru are good friends. David has been nothing but complimentary of Rafa every time he talks about him. David is very sweet, and all the Spanish players say he is one of the nicest guys you will ever meet in your life. If you watched them prior to the match, when they took a picture together, they were smiling and everything (and not just for the picture). There is nothing close to bad blood between those two.

Tnn74
11-14-2007, 07:06 AM
let's keep the faith everyone... as always, we continue to support our Champion because when it comes to fighting, no one does it better :) :bigclap: Vamos Rafa! :hug:

MariaV
11-14-2007, 07:56 AM
Awww Mimi dear, Ferrer has quite a temper but yeah, as others said here, they're good mates... and OO...K.. Karin, after watching the whole match I have to admit that Rafa's inability to attack was due to David's excellent play who hit either too deep or the fh cc at such angles that there was nothing Rafa could do.
Thanks for the stats hra87, I hope Rafa can still go through to the semis. VAMOS! :banana: :bigclap: :yippee:

Cat123
11-14-2007, 10:32 AM
There's something about all the Spanish players that makes me like them! (Except maybe Feli. But I'm still just bitter he knocked Henman out of Wimbledon!) I don't have Eurosport so can't watch any matches. It sucks. But I have all my fingers and toes crossed hoping that Rafa makes the semis! :D

MariaV
11-14-2007, 10:50 AM
LOL Cat, but Feli is just soooo beautiful. :lol:

l_mac
11-14-2007, 10:52 AM
I like Feli :hug: He gets a hard time here on MTF .. and everywhere really :lol: My least favourite Spaniard is Moya but it's such an unpopular view that I can't say it out loud :lol:

Cat123
11-14-2007, 10:53 AM
Yes, he is. But Tim is my hero!! :lol:

And I love Carlos!!! I have a soft spot for the old boys ;) (It's rather depressing when 31 is considered 'old' isn't it?!)

MariaV
11-14-2007, 10:56 AM
Ahhh, you don't like our Lord and ATP resident Casanova? :aplot: :lol:

Well, Feli is just so beautiful that people are bound to be jealous of him. :o
I especially like the progress he has made these past months under Big Al, it's been amazing! :worship: So I hope he'll keep up the good work. :)

MariaV
11-14-2007, 10:58 AM
Yes, he is. But Tim is my hero!! :lol:

And I love Carlos!!! I have a soft spot for the old boys ;) (It's rather depressing when 31 is considered 'old' isn't it?!)

Some people called Carlos grandpa here :o He had an excellent year and I stupid 'grandma' thought this could also give some hope to Marat. :tape:
OK OK I'll shut up now. :o

l_mac
11-14-2007, 11:03 AM
Ahhh, you don't like our Lord and ATP resident Casanova? :aplot: :lol:



It's not that I don't like him .... I just don't like him as much as I like the others. And I find him very, very unattractive. Repellent, even. But I am aware that this line of thought is far from the norm.

Anyway ... did you see the pics of Rafa at his presser that kiro posted yesterday? Soooooooo delightful.

l_mac
11-14-2007, 11:04 AM
I like this one especially (veyonce posted a similar one in hot pix)

http://www.jcfocus.com/img/2007tmc/071113/nad002.jpg

The rest are to be found in this post http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=6258916&postcount=44

MariaV
11-14-2007, 11:06 AM
Rafa is adorable as always but this one pic Veyonce posted was soooo sad at the presser, poor baby, that's exactly the pic I meant. :awww: :lol: And then on the other one he was smiling again. :D
I need to check the videos later tonight if I have time.

hra87
11-14-2007, 02:35 PM
Some people called Carlos grandpa here :o He had an excellent year and I stupid 'grandma' thought this could also give some hope to Marat. :tape:
OK OK I'll shut up now. :o

Everyone gives Safin such a hard time, but I think a lot of it is physical rather than mental. He banged his knee, then he had to adjust his game not to hurt it, and now that it's finally fully better he has to adjust his game to use it properly again.

Plus, there's a tendency to say that players with really nice backhands (safin, nalbandian, gasquet, haas) are the most "naturally talented," when they have a lot of weaknesses too that are overlooked.

Edit: just noticed something, is there a tendency for tall players who can move well to have knee injuries? Hmmm...maybe not, djokovic anc murray haven't had any, right? Nevermind.

yana
11-14-2007, 08:17 PM
I like this one especially (veyonce posted a similar one in hot pix)

http://www.jcfocus.com/img/2007tmc/071113/nad002.jpg

The rest are to be found in this post http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=6258916&postcount=44


He is perfect in this pic :inlove:
He deserves to reach the semis, he's the most handsome in this group...:lol:

l_mac
11-14-2007, 08:23 PM
He is perfect in this pic :inlove:
He deserves to reach the semis, he's the most handsome in this group...:lol:

:yeah:

That's the sort of Rafa-fangirl thinking I can get right behind!

If I were running the ATP attractiveness would be the tibreaker in the Round Robin stage, not ridiculous things like "percentage of sets won." Booooring.

:lol:

yana
11-14-2007, 08:36 PM
:yeah:

That's the sort of Rafa-fangirl thinking I can get right behind!

If I were running the ATP attractiveness would be the tibreaker in the Round Robin stage, not ridiculous things like "percentage of sets won." Booooring.

:lol:

:haha:

Yes, they're not reasonable at all.
But, on the other hand, that rule will not be in the GOAT's advantage. :tape:

l_mac
11-14-2007, 08:40 PM
:haha:

Yes, they're not reasonable at all.
But, on the other hand, that rule will not be in the GOAT's advantage. :tape:

True .. and what if my other fave, Andy Murray, ever makes TMC? He'd struggle with my rules. Rrrreeeaaalllllyyyy struggle.

hra87
11-14-2007, 09:43 PM
It's becoming increasing clear that I'm the only male here...

l_mac
11-14-2007, 09:48 PM
It's becoming increasing clear that I'm the only male here...

:hug: I didn't know you were a guy.

Rafa's "famous" male MTF fans hardly ever post in here. Blaze used to post, but not so much recently and adeegee!. never :mad: R=FK, who I also believe is male, doesn't show us the light much either. *thankyouJesus*

I've had to crank the fangirling up a notch because everyone kept getting my gender wrong.

Cat123
11-14-2007, 10:20 PM
Good excuse! ;)

I do think I'm rather fickle with my favourites. Of all the guys I like, their forums are over run by girls and of the girls I like, their forums are full of guys!! :rolleyes:

MariaV
11-15-2007, 07:40 AM
It's becoming increasing clear that I'm the only male here...

Welcome! :wavey:
Nice to have you here, you're American? Could you tell us your name?

Rafa's match is up first today, I think it's better so he doesn't have to sit in the locker room and be nervous about the outcome of Ferrer vs Gasquet and not concentrate on his own match.
VAMOS! :banana: :yippee: :bigclap:

Invisible
11-15-2007, 07:51 AM
Welcome! :wavey:
Nice to have you here, you're American? Could you tell us your name?

Rafa's match is up first today, I think it's better so he doesn't have to sit in the locker room and be nervous about the outcome of Ferrer vs Gasquet and not concentrate on his own match.
VAMOS! :banana: :yippee: :bigclap:

And it's better because I only have live TV coverage of the first match :lol:

I'm nervous about this match, but at least things are still exciting...I guess (maybe I'd rather it not be exciting) :p

Vamos Rafa!!!

MariaV
11-15-2007, 10:25 AM
Here the presser after the match vs Ferrer if someone hasn't read.

November 13, 2007

Rafael Nadal

SHANGHAI, CHINA

THE MODERATOR: Questions, please.

Q. You gave up challenging towards the end. Does that mean you gave up on this match towards the end? You didn't challenge the last call on the line. Does that mean you gave up the match?
RAFAEL NADAL: Nothing of this, no? The ball is out. This is stupid ask one thing if the ball is out. Is not nice. Because I asked to the referee the ball is out. I didn't say, I want a challenge.

Q. It seems the first four seeds didn't do well in the last few days. Both Federer and Davydenko lost. You lost today. Djokovic has been eliminated already. How do you feel about that? Are you unlucky or are the people like you a target?
RAFAEL NADAL: No, is the tougher tournament of the year, the more difficult tournament of the year. We play against the best always, every match, so anything can happen, no?
Yes, Federer is the No. 1, I am the No. 2, Djokovic the No. 3, Davydenko the No. 4. We have this ranking because it's the result of all year. But in one match anything can happen, especially if you play against the best.

Q. Can you say something about David's play today. He played incredible tennis. Pretty much nothing you could do in the third set.
RAFAEL NADAL: Well, no, congratulate him. He's playing with unbelievable confidence, moving unbelievable, his playing is crazy. Just congratulate him.
I didn't play bad match. I play a good match. I fight a lot, and finally I can't win. I play very, very good first set. The second, little bit unlucky because I have one Love-40, another 15-40, so is chances to go break up. Finally I can't.
The first opportunity he break me, no? And later I have the 30-Love on 5-4 and he play some very good points. Nothing to say. Congratulate him. No excuse. I play well; he play better. :hatoff: :D Yep, nothing much to add.

Q. Towards the end of the match you looked pretty tired. Did you feel tired or did you have any physical problem today?
RAFAEL NADAL: No physical problems, no. Everything fine, no? Was tough match. We ran a lot. So little bit tired. That's it. :D

Q. You two were very similar in terms of the way you were playing with fast footwork and topspin and running, strong defense. Did you ever think that you were actually competing against yourself on court?
RAFAEL NADAL: I don't understand very well the question, no, because I fight against David Ferrer, not against me.

Q. He plays the same as you, very quick.
RAFAEL NADAL: Yeah, I understand that. Yeah, but, no, I understand. We play different, no? Is not the same, no? I play with more topspin than him. Is not the same game, no. Is not the same style. My opinion. Way to tell to that stupid journalist!

Q. What is it like playing against somebody who you're friends with off the court and who knows your game and you know their game so well?
RAFAEL NADAL: Nothing special, no? Is a very good friend of me. Is very, very nice guy. We have very good relationship. But when you are on court, you try your best. I try my best. He try his best. Anything can happen, no?
Disappointing for me. Today happen I lost. But was very close match.

Q. You played great today. Ferrer made you play some really tough defense. There are times, as well as he was playing, you were able to take charge of the point and play offensively. What was the difference between when you were forced to play defensively and when you could play offensively?
RAFAEL NADAL: What's the difference? When I can play offensive is easier because I have the control of the point. Anyway, he run a lot. But when I can play with the forehand, three forehands straight, having the control of the point, I have a lot of chances for end on the net in easy volley, no?
If not, well, is very difficult take the rhythm of the game, play aggressive all the time, no, because he's feeling unbelievable physically. So, well, I can play sometime. But later I need some calm. I need to rest a little bit some games, no, for try to play another time aggressive.
I try. When I can, I try to play aggressive, no? And in the beginning, I have very, very good level.

Q. When you are 1-4 behind you, do you think you have confidence to catch up?
RAFAEL NADAL: If he has confidence with 5-1? If I have? Yeah, sure. I support me a lot when I win the first break. It was very, very tough. I try my best with every game. I know especially if had won one more game, two more game, finally then the group is easier to go to the semifinal.

Q. It seems that you play in the similar way like you play on clay. Now you are on hard court. Do you have the plan to try to play more aggressively on hard court?
RAFAEL NADAL: Always the same, no? I try. I try to play more aggressive, no? But is not easy. :awww: My game is my game. My style is my style. Not easy change, no?
I play aggressive when I can. I go to the net so many times this year, more times go to the net, no? Is a big improve. I improve of a lot the volley. Right indeed! :yeah: So I have to continuing to improve. I just have 21 years old so...
That's it. It's the third time here. Sometimes the people says things, I am very old. So I have to continuing improve every day.

End of FastScripts

Wow, because Rafa's been around for so long people say he is old. :rolls: :rolls:
Really liked the last answers. :D Ahh, liked all the answers in fact. :lol:

l_mac
11-15-2007, 12:55 PM
:banana: :banana:

Semi final time!

:kiss: Pics.

yana
11-15-2007, 01:27 PM
Ya, Pics showed what a good friend he really is. :smooch:

cmurray
11-15-2007, 02:52 PM
Yep. THANK YOU PICS! :kiss:

Anyone have Rafa's presser from today?

cc2monac
11-15-2007, 04:13 PM
congrats rafa on reaching the semi! glad to see him fighting on the court again! best of luck for you semi!

yana
11-15-2007, 06:43 PM
Here's the after match presser on vid posted by PaTxy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXKlvnbz_2M

Cat123
11-15-2007, 07:12 PM
I so badly want him to meet Roddick! They're 2 of my favourites and I've never seen them play each other. You know, I had a dream that Andy beat Federer last night, so *fingers crossed*

l_mac
11-15-2007, 07:13 PM
Thanks for the link, yana!

Derek1206
11-15-2007, 10:05 PM
Yes! :woohoo:

Good luck in the SF. :yeah:

cmurray
11-16-2007, 02:05 AM
Does anyone have the youtube link for that video from RG 2006 where Djokovic says that he was in control of the match even though he was losing badly and had to retire. I tried to search for it, but didn't come up with anything.

THanks.

hra87
11-16-2007, 05:35 AM
Welcome! :wavey:
Nice to have you here, you're American? Could you tell us your name?

Yup, as American as one of these:

http://www.limousine-denver.com/Hummer2.jpg

Name's Hamid. Oops, maybe not as American as I thought.

Does anyone have the youtube link for that video from RG 2006 where Djokovic says that he was in control of the match even though he was losing badly and had to retire. I tried to search for it, but didn't come up with anything.

THanks.

Heh, I looked for it too after http://www.synthtopia.com/news/05_05/images/Apple_iMac_g5.jpg mentioned it in that thread. I'm very interested.

*awaiting response explaining the difference between an I and an l*


Edit: very interesting quote from Rafa the other day, found on talktennis (I skim occasionally) -

"David es el mejor restador del mundo, las estadísticas y sus porcentajes lo dicen. Es difícil sacarle de sus casillas, y hoy incluso he aflojado a propósito la velocidad de mi saque para evitar que me restara más fuerte"

Translation:
David is the best returner in the game -- statistics and percentages show it. It is hard to bother him, and today I even even took some speed of my serve, on purpose, to prevent him from returning harder.

I noticed that Ferrer actually won less games on Rafa's second serve than his first. Heh, I wonder what would have happened if Rafa just did second serves :)

MariaV
11-16-2007, 08:09 AM
Uhmmm, I don't have time to search for that Novak video, did they delete last year's pressers from the RG site? :(
Rafa's face when he heard about what Novak said was much more hilarious. :lol:
Ahh, Rafa's always cute, thanks for the link Yana! :kiss:

Ferrer's fh was awesome yesterday again, he hurts with his fh inside out or cc or dtl too, he simply hits winners, there's nothing much anyone can do then IMO.

I'd prefer semis vs Roddick too but we'll see what happens. Haha, I doubt Roger will lose to Roddick though so vs Fed it will be most probably. :tape:

Castafiore
11-16-2007, 12:12 PM
Does anyone have the youtube link for that video from RG 2006 where Djokovic says that he was in control of the match even though he was losing badly and had to retire. I tried to search for it, but didn't come up with anything.

THanks.
Here you go:

RG 2006 Djokovic vs Nadal interviews (http://www.dailymotion.com/Duffel01/video/x3hu3h_rg05rnvsdn_fun)

Metis
11-16-2007, 01:14 PM
Here you go:

RG 2006 Djokovic vs Nadal interviews (http://www.dailymotion.com/Duffel01/video/x3hu3h_rg05rnvsdn_fun)


This never fails to make me laugh, especially Brad's reaction :lol:.

hra87
11-16-2007, 01:29 PM
Roger/Rafa semis. There goes my Roddick really DOES have a chance THIS time theory. I'm happy though, I really do dislike Roddick. So this is actually really interesting now. Whoever becomes #1 is completely in Rafa's hands. It doesn't matter WHAT Roger does. If Rafa beats Roger and then wins TMC, gets to semis in Chennai (obviously not too hard) again, and final in AO he's #1. No matter what Roger does (unless he decides to add a MM event before AO, but it's not on his schedule as of yet). So hopefully, Roddick beats Ferrer (their head-to-head is 2-2, none on clay, somewhat close matches in each, no complete blow-outs), Rafa beats Roger, then Rafa hopefully won't have too much trouble beating Roddick in the finals. Then for AO obviously it's very important that Nalby's on Roger's side, everyone else I think he'd be at least competitive against. Very interesting. Or I did my calculations wrong, which is a distinct possibility, I did them in my head.

MariaV
11-16-2007, 01:33 PM
Thanks Castafiore! :kiss:
Yeah, that's also a good one. :lol:

Uhhh, semis vs Fed again. :scared: :unsure:
I just hope it won't be as ridiculous as Fed today vs Roddick. :o But that was some fun stuff today, Andy promising to get better but failing miserably yet again. :awww: I kinda felt sorry for him.
Anyway, VAMOS! :banana: :yippee: :bigclap:

MariaV
11-16-2007, 01:47 PM
OK and if you want the script of Rafa's presser here it is.
November 15, 2007

Rafael Nadal

SHANGHAI, CHINA

THE MODERATOR: Questions, please.

Q. What was it like today knowing it was really important to have to win in straight sets?
RAFAEL NADAL: The important thing is win, so better if I win in two sets is better than three because my chance is a little bit more to go to the semifinals, no?
Anyway, I am very happy about my game today. I play very, very good match - the best match here, and one of the best matches of the indoor season, no? So very, very happy about everything, no?
I play very, very complete match. Anything can happen right now. I can go out, is true. But if I go out, I go out with very good feelings, no?

Q. Why do you like to move the flowers towards you in the press conference?
THE MODERATOR: Because the light is reflecting.

Q. You are now having a strong possibility to play against Roger Federer in the semifinal if he beats Andy Roddick.
RAFAEL NADAL: In two sets.

Q. It would be a rematch for you to play Roger like you did last year in the Masters Cup. What do you say about this match coming?
RAFAEL NADAL: I didn't say nothing because this match is not coming yet. If the match is coming, we gonna speak about this match. Right now I am here waiting if I am in the semifinals or not. He has to play tomorrow, too, so...
Me and him, we are not in semifinals yet.

Q. Who would you want to meet in the semifinal?
RAFAEL NADAL: I want to be in the semifinals. I want to meet with someone (laughter).

Q. How strange is it to be in this situation where you're waiting on another match? Tennis is all about you win a match, you know you're through. You lose a match, you go home. This is very strange, isn't it?
RAFAEL NADAL: Well, if I won the second set against David Ferrer, the situation not the same right now, no? So right now I have to wait. If I go out, I go out with being very happy about my game today, about my game in the tournament, especially today, no, because I play more aggressive. I play very, very good match.
If I go out, I go out with very good feelings. That's always very important for me, no? If I go in, if I go to semifinal, I go to semifinal with very good confidence. Is important, too (smiling).

Q. How do you approach your next year? How do you consider different tournaments? Last year you seemed a little bit tired at the end of the year. It seems this year you have done already better to feel better physically. Do you feel sometimes the clay court season takes a little bit too much out of you and are you going to change something about that?
RAFAEL NADAL: Last year I wasn't very tired here. I played very good tournament here, no, beating Robredo and Davydenko and playing very good match in semifinals.
No, 2005 I have the injury. Last year and this year I end the season, well, better this year because I won two matches here, quarterfinals in Madrid and final in Paris. So is very good end of the season.
So nothing, no? My calendar is tough because I have to play a lot of matches in the clay season. That is a good news for me, to play a lot of matches. But sometimes is tough, no?
For the specialists of hard is a little bit easier because they have Australia, Indian Wells, Miami, after they have clay, Toronto, Cincinnati, US Open, and have another time the indoor. So they have more seasons. Is easier for the others, no?
If I want to play and get a lot of points on clay, I only have two months.

Q. Before you entered this room, did you calculate your possibility of coming to the semifinal?
RAFAEL NADAL: Well, sure I know my possibilities. If Ferrer win, I am in semifinals. If Ferrer lose in two sets, I am in semifinals. The only chance for be out of the semifinals is Gasquet winning in three sets, difference of two or something.
THE MODERATOR: More than three games.

Q. After the US Open final, we have a Q&A for the tennis fans on the official Chinese website. The fans in China picked Novak Djokovic rather than you to be a threat to Roger Federer in the next three years. What do you say about that? And the next question is, as the same age with those guys, like Novak, Andy Murray, and Richard Gasquet.
RAFAEL NADAL: Gasquet is my age.

Q. Nearly the same age as you, with you, whom do you pick to be a threat to challenge you and Roger in 2008?
RAFAEL NADAL: Would be in this group, too, because I am the same age like these ones.
No, for me, they gonna have his chances for the No. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. So they are very young. They are very good players. So anything can happen in the future, no?
In my opinion, if Roger continues like this, they don't gonna have too much chances. But they can improve, and they must improve if they want to be No. 1. And me, too. I am trying to improve every year, every month for try to be better player.
But not for only be No. 1. I try to improve always to continue being best players of the world because I know these young players is coming, and in two years is going to be more and more. Always the tennis is improving and is coming more the new guys, so that's nothing new.
Some years ago, Hewitt, Ferrero, Federer, these guys, Nalbandian, these guys are the same age, too. So was Coria. Was a very, very tough situation for be in the top six. Right now I think something similar is coming, too.

Q. I'm sure that Ferrer and Gasquet have not made any agreement before going on court. But don't you think that it was better if you were playing after their match instead of before?
RAFAEL NADAL: Why?

Q. I'm just saying I think it's more natural. You should go on court after the match. In a way they could play and decide they both go in the semifinal. They will never do it. Normally the scheduling of the Masters has always been in a way nobody could fix possibly a match. Nobody is going to do it, but normally they would do that. You didn't think if today was better to play before or of after?
RAFAEL NADAL: Think too much, my opinion. Think too much because I am totally sure. Ferrer and Gasquet are very nice guys. They never going to do that because they love the sport, no?
I think the schedule is okay.

Q. In previous press conferences, Novak said you're exceptional in the age group. What do you think of yourself? Do you think you are an exceptional case as a 20-something player?
RAFAEL NADAL: Thank you to Novak, no? :spit: :lol:
Well, today I play a very good match. Djokovic, Federer and me, we are very close all the time, so I think -- except last two Masters Series -- so we are in all important finals of the season, no?
He's doing very, very good work and he's continuing to improve. He's going to have his chances, no, for to be No. 1, I don't know, next year, after next year. Going to be interesting fight.

End of FastScripts

Tnn74
11-16-2007, 03:08 PM
Fight tomorrow Rafa! extend your H2H! we know you can do it!!! :bounce: :rocker2:

l_mac
11-16-2007, 04:09 PM
Castafiore - Thank you! It used to be one of the first videos that popped up when you put rafa's name into the youtube search, but now it's just hundreds of Djoko impression videos :rolleyes: :tape: :tape:

I also love the pre Nole presser from this year's FO where a journalist tells Rafa that Nole said he is going play very aggressive against him and Rafa shrugs and says, "Nice." :haha: I have 3 tedious hours of Fed and Davydenko desperately trying not to win their match on my Sky+ box just so I can keep that 30 second clip. :o

Fed tomorrow :banana:

yana
11-16-2007, 07:44 PM
The GOAT sees himself as a favorite for tomorrow. Well, I hope I will hear him saying once again his famous line: "It was a pity blah, blah..."

Federer se ve "favorito" ante Nadal

http://www.marca.com/edicion/marca/tenis/copa_masters/es/desarrollo/1058729.html

Foxy
11-16-2007, 07:54 PM
Or "There was nothing I can do... he just wears you down..."

sonia
11-16-2007, 09:22 PM
Thanks a lot Castafiore and MariaV :yeah:

tangerine_dream
11-16-2007, 10:33 PM
Here you go:
RG 2006 Djokovic vs Nadal interviews (http://www.dailymotion.com/Duffel01/video/x3hu3h_rg05rnvsdn_fun)
Thanks for that. I love that clip. :lol:

I have 3 tedious hours of Fed and Davydenko desperately trying not to win their match on my Sky+ box just so I can keep that 30 second clip. :o
I missed it. Which 30 second clip is this? Can you put it up on YouTube? :D

Sunset of Age
11-17-2007, 01:19 AM
The GOAT sees himself as a favorite for tomorrow. Well, I hope I will hear him saying once again his famous line: "It was a pity blah, blah..."

Oh yeah, so strange that Fed considers himself the favourite. Perhaps he has reasons to think so? He IS the favourite, Nadal himself said so as well. Nothing wrong with that. :rolleyes:

Admit it: if he didn't, you'd pull the 'false modesty'-card.

l_mac
11-17-2007, 01:30 AM
Oh yeah, so strange that Fed considers himself the favourite. Perhaps he has reasons to think so? He IS the favourite, Nadal himself said so as well. Nothing wrong with that. :rolleyes:

Admit it: if he didn't, you'd pull the 'false modesty'-card.


Missy, I am monitoring your behaviour in both favourites' forums and I am sensing a bias which displeases me! :lol:

tangerine_dream - I am technically inept so a youtube moment is beyond me. Because I am kind I had a quick look around a fansite or two, but could not find it uploaded anywhere.

Vamos rafa!

Sunset of Age
11-17-2007, 01:36 AM
Missy, I am monitoring your behaviour in both favourites' forums and I am sensing a bias which displeases me! :lol:


You might have noticed me being very critical on Roger's game lately there - and rightly so, I believe. ;) As for my comment here, I just posted it because I think it's unfair to Roger to use this as ammunition - it would look highly silly if he'd suddenly not consider himself the favourite. :cool:

l_mac
11-17-2007, 01:40 AM
You might have noticed me being very critical on Roger's game lately there - and rightly so, I believe. ;) As for my comment here, I just posted it because I think it's unfair to Roger to use this as ammunition - it would look highly silly if he'd suddenly not consider himself the favourite. :cool:


Ah, I'm only kidding with you. Of course Roger is the favourite - it's a relatively fast indoor hardcourt AND Rafa hasn't beaten him off clay for nearly 2 years. I'm 100% sure that Nadal will have himself down as the heavy underdog. :lol:

(I see Dirk is back :banana: :mad:)

Sunset of Age
11-17-2007, 01:45 AM
Ah, I'm only kidding with you. Of course Roger is the favourite - it's a relatively fast indoor hardcourt AND Rafa hasn't beaten him off clay for nearly 2 years. I'm 100% sure that Nadal will have himself down as the heavy underdog. :lol:

:hug: - well, I might admit, I'm a bit touchy when random quotes are posted just to stirr up things, my wrong. Guess I still haven't learned to deal with it accordingly - i.e. NOT! :p

EDIT: BTW, have you seen this quote:

"Now Federer walks out to face his great rival Rafael Nadal to register a final place in his bid to win this calendar-ending prize for the fourth time in five years. Nodding in honest admiration of what excellence he witnessed, the Spaniard could only admit: “If he plays like that, then I have no chance.” LOL, Raf! :hug:

From The Times Online (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/tennis/article2884475.ece).

(I see Dirk is back :banana: :mad:)

:secret: perhaps HE's the one who created the FedTool_2007-double account? :lol:

l_mac
11-17-2007, 01:54 AM
EDIT: BTW, have you seen this quote:

"Now Federer walks out to face his great rival Rafael Nadal to register a final place in his bid to win this calendar-ending prize for the fourth time in five years. Nodding in honest admiration of what excellence he witnessed, the Spaniard could only admit: “If he plays like that, then I have no chance.” LOL, Raf! :hug:

From The Times Online (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/tennis/article2884475.ece).

Yes, I did see that. Just when I think it's not possible for Rafa to get any further up Roger's ass, he manages an extra inch :lol:

Disclaimer: I do not believe Rafa lives up Roger's ass.

:secret: perhaps HE's the one who created the FedTool_2007-double account? :lol:

:lol:

Sunset of Age
11-17-2007, 01:58 AM
Yes, I did see that. Just when I think it's not possible for Rafa to get any further up Roger's ass, he manages an extra inch :lol:

Disclaimer: I do not believe Rafa lives up Roger's ass.


:haha: :rolls:

I'm pretty sure he knows very well he DOES have a chance tomorrow, the little bugger! Speaking about tomorrow... I should finally get myself some sleep... if I'm able to, I'm soooo excited!

l_mac
11-17-2007, 02:02 AM
I'm pretty sure he knows very well he DOES have a chance tomorrow, the little bugger! Speaking about tomorrow... I should finally get myself some sleep... if I'm able to, I'm soooo excited!

Yeah, me too. I'll only be able to watch a bit of the match tomorrow because I have plans (I was hoping in vain they'd be the earlier match) but I wish one of your favourites all the luck in the world! The other... eh. :shrug:

:lol:

Sunset of Age
11-17-2007, 02:04 AM
Yeah, me too. I'll only be able to watch a bit of the match tomorrow because I have plans (I was hoping in vain they'd be the earlier match) but I wish one of your favourites all the luck in the world! The other... eh.

:lol:

:lol:

Ah, don't worry. If Feds wins, he'd probably lose in the final to Pics!
(to tell you the truth, I wouldn't at all mind David to take this title ;))

hra87
11-17-2007, 05:17 AM
I think false modesty is great (seriously).

yana
11-17-2007, 08:39 AM
Oh yeah, so strange that Fed considers himself the favourite. Perhaps he has reasons to think so? He IS the favourite, Nadal himself said so as well. Nothing wrong with that. :rolleyes:

Admit it: if he didn't, you'd pull the 'false modesty'-card.

Of course you had to came with a reply to that. It was like throwing a bait to a fish :angel:

Let's see: arrogance vs false modesty? I go with the last one, thanks.

P.S: It seems that :rolleyes: is your favorite smiley lately

And this is Rafa's forum, not a "Fedal" one. Not all of us like Fed too.

yana
11-17-2007, 09:15 AM
Form vamosbrigade

http://www.postimage.org/aV1EtfhJ.jpg


Rafa's hurt knee post Djoko match. Poor kid :hug:

But he said he is OK, he isn't in pain.

Tess Gray
11-17-2007, 12:10 PM
And this is Rafa's forum, not a "Fedal" one. Not all of us like Fed too.

chill out yana :shrug: no need to react like that

Form vamosbrigade

http://www.postimage.org/aV1EtfhJ.jpg


Rafa's hurt knee post Djoko match. Poor kid :hug:

But he said he is OK, he isn't in pain.

Hope it doesn't bother him in the match.

Vamos Rafa :D

hra87
11-17-2007, 12:49 PM
That sucked, he had no read on the ball the whole match. Even in the beginning, Roger was dictating, he was losing rallies 'cause of his own errors, not Rafa's winners. I hardly even saw Rafa move, he just had no clue where to go. Then all those errors in the second set. And of course Roger with that serve, and his backhand playing great crosscourt in the second set.

NevaNadal
11-17-2007, 12:53 PM
Oh, Rafa, Rafa, Rafa. WTF happened :confused: :mad:

Hope he can get his shit together and come back better than ever next year. I'm just worried that he will start playing poor matches on clay and become the new Safin (who I love BTW) for next season.

Anyway overall a good year and I'm hoping for many more :)

natinhall
11-17-2007, 12:58 PM
:hysteric: I expected more of Rafa. He is not good mentally. He cant recover after lose a set, in the last matches just against Gasquet he get back to the match after lost a set. :crying2:

yana
11-17-2007, 01:01 PM
chill out yana :shrug: no need to react like that

Oh, but I'm chilled. Even though "the famous ass" kinda meltdown today :lol: :mad:

natinhall
11-17-2007, 01:01 PM
Really Neva, WTF happened? :confused:

Rafa was playing very very bad. And Federer played very well, and served very well too.

hra87
11-17-2007, 01:03 PM
:hysteric: I expected more of Rafa. He is not good mentally. He cant recover after lose a set, in the last matches just against Gasquet he get back to the match after lost a set. :crying2:

I agree, people give him too much credit for his mental game. But there are just too many examples of him imploding in the final set.

cc2monac
11-17-2007, 01:04 PM
rafa...he didn't play great in the 2d set...realy...the 1st set was good but after it was clear he will loose this match...kind of desappointing...anyway he had a wonderful year! better to think about this!

NicoFan
11-17-2007, 01:05 PM
I love Rafa. :hug: But I think that changes are in order. He can't play well only during clay season (and a little on grass). Wrong strategy. We know he can play and win on hardcourts. But he's got to start figuring out how to make it through the entire season so he can play from August on.

natinhall
11-17-2007, 01:24 PM
Deja vu? I think this match was the same of Paris final. Rafa made the same things. Played very well in the 1st set, lost and cant play well in the 2nd. He is not fighting like previous Rafa. At least he avoided the bagel. :unsure:

hra87
11-17-2007, 01:29 PM
Deja vu? I think this match was the same of Paris final. Rafa made the same things. Played very well in the 1st set, lost and cant play well in the 2nd. He is not fighting like previous Rafa. At least he avoided the bagel. :unsure:

HE didn't avoid the bagel, I recall 4 errors from Roger in a row.

Foxy
11-17-2007, 01:30 PM
Deja vu? I think this match was the same of Paris final. Rafa made the same things. Played very well in the 1st set, lost and cant play well in the 2nd. He is not fighting like previous Rafa. At least he avoided the bagel. :unsure:

My thoughts as well.
4:4 in 1st and then 8 straight games for Nalby in Paris.
4:4 in 1st and then 7 straight games for Fed here.
Bad coincidences to play so bad and his opponent that good in these matches.
If either of these conditions wasn't met it could be quite different the outcome.

yana
11-17-2007, 01:33 PM
He has some really serious confidence problems. The sad thing is that he played very well till 5-4. Fed was saved by his serve till that point.

Castafiore
11-17-2007, 02:22 PM
The sad thing is that he played very well till 5-4. Fed was saved by his serve till that point.

Indeed, that's been the same story in a lot of recent matches and I'm not taking anything away from his opponents because they would have beaten him anyway but at a certain point in the match, he just seems to switch "off". He tries to find the "on" switch again but the belief isn't there.

Rafa is a rock mentally on clay but he isn't there (yet?) on hardcourts and esp. indoors.

If you take away his rhythm and you overpower him, you get the "deer caught in the headlights" look on his face (and I so hate seeing that).
Federer knows that he needs to serve really well against Rafa and if his serve is clicking, Fed's confidence goes way up against Nadal and Rafa's confidence goes way down. :sad:


Rafa...please, get some outside help. Uncle Toni needs to be at your side, but perhaps it's time to get another adviser who can help you make the next steps in your career?

Sunset of Age
11-17-2007, 02:35 PM
:hysteric: I expected more of Rafa. He is not good mentally. He cant recover after lose a set, in the last matches just against Gasquet he get back to the match after lost a set. :crying2:

I think everybody expected a match a lot tighter than what happened today. But it's not fair to blame it all on Rafa's lacking mental fortitude. It's still there, but today, it just wasn't enough. Fed was playing otherwordly tennis (his serve, especially, was immaculate), and caught Rafa off his guard completely.

To be true, I expected Rafa to take that first set, as he seemed to make a solid, confident impression the first 8-9 games. Even more, I think Fed was rather lucky to take that first set the way he did. Somehow, everything started to work for him thereafter, and sadly enough, Rafa couldn't come up with an appropriate answer. It happens. One can only speculate how the match would've ended if Raf had taken that first set, and/or if Roger's serve had started to fail somewhere during that match.

All in all, I'd like to (still) look at it from a positive side: Rafa's US hardcourt season has been patchy, but still, he's managed to reach yet another TMC semifinal and has defended all his points here. Who expected that to happen when the draw came out a week ago? ;)

I'm sure he'll have a good rest now, and come back fully armed in the upcoming season. Perhaps he'll now also find some time to think about a new (or perhaps an additional) coach.

natinhall
11-17-2007, 02:41 PM
HE didn't avoid the bagel, I recall 4 errors from Roger in a row.

:lol:

Gosh! Hra87, I changed the channel, that match was very depressing and I was too tense too see the demolition. :lol: At least Federer was more friendly than Nalby. :lol:

My thoughts as well.
4:4 in 1st and then 8 straight games for Nalby in Paris.
4:4 in 1st and then 7 straight games for Fed here.
Bad coincidences to play so bad and his opponent that good in these matches.
If either of these conditions wasn't met it could be quite different the outcome.

Indeed, terrible time to play so bad. He can't stop to fight against players like Federer and Nalbi. I think in the 2 matches he felt the pressure to confirm his service and made many UE's. =\

Sunset of Age
11-17-2007, 02:43 PM
:lol:
Gosh! Hra87, I changed the channel, that match was very depressing and I was too tense too see the demolition. :lol: At least Federer was more friendly than Nalby. :lol:

Feds shanked at least three UE's in a row in that game. I think he actually thought it would be a shame to bagel Raf here...

Ti-Anne
11-17-2007, 03:08 PM
I think I'm just Fed up...:ras:

natinhall
11-17-2007, 03:11 PM
ClayBuzza, indeed, Roger was amazing and his serve was scary. Would be very hard to Rafa break Roger service. But I think Rafa could play better than he played and with more confidence. But he had a great season. He can be more aggressive in HC, but he improved a lot comparing last year. And at least he defended his points and Nole didnt approach in this last tournament.:lol:

Sunset of Age
11-17-2007, 03:16 PM
ClayBuzza, indeed, Roger was amazing and his serve was scary. Would be very hard to Rafa break Roger service. But I think Rafa could play better than he played and with more confidence. But he had a great season. He can be more aggressive in HC, but he improved a lot comparing last year. :)

It's difficult to say what Rafa's trouble was exactly today. Lack of confidence? Could well be, especially regarding the fact that he has said after witnessing Roddick's demolition the day before, "If he [Roger] plays like that, I have no chance..." which I think is quite a telling - and alarming - sign.

Never did I expect to see such a beatdown, and indeed - it looked like Raf gave up halfway the match, which he usually doesn't do at all.

I'm looking forward to his presser, I'd like to know what he thought about it himself. It's clear that he was highly disappointed after the match, so I barely believe that he indeed thought that he had no chance at all...

EDIT: yeah, I'm very happy that he managed to keep the Djoko off his back... my avatar has been doing its job well. :lol:

guga2120
11-17-2007, 04:44 PM
Well I didn't see the match, since I was asleep, but it sounds bad. Did Rafa just play really defensive in the 2nd set??

I think I'm just Fed up...:ras:

I have been that way for a while. Please Ferrer, do us a favor.

l_mac
11-17-2007, 05:03 PM
Never did I expect to see such a beatdown, and indeed - it looked like Raf gave up halfway the match, which he usually doesn't do at all.



Are you kidding? He's been doing it all the time recently.

I missed the match (shame :lol: ) Maybe I'll watch it later.

Rest up for 08, Rafa :hug:

Sunset of Age
11-17-2007, 05:18 PM
Are you kidding? He's been doing it all the time recently.:

Well, 'all the time' is a bit too harsh I think. Anyways, it indeed happened before (the final in Paris comes to mind) but not like THIS. You already said you haven't seen the match yet... perhaps it's better if you don't. It was a real SPANKING, and I even suspect Feds shanking all those UE's in Raf's last serve game because he didn't want to bagel him. :sad: :hug:

He'll get back, I'm sure. It's an old saying - "that which doesn't kill you, makes you stronger". ;)

natinhall
11-17-2007, 05:59 PM
EDIT: yeah, I'm very happy that he managed to keep the Djoko off his back... my avatar has been doing its job well. :lol:

:yeah: Seems something like "fedal unite against enemy Nole". :lol: I really think they dont like Nole :lol:

Are you kidding? He's been doing it all the time recently.

I missed the match (shame :lol: ) Maybe I'll watch it later.


yeah, the last defeats of Rafa was very strange. He is very inconstant, suddenly he gave up and is destroyed. I don't understanding Rafa. :confused: He is tired, of course, but I think he is not fighting, just give up.

I agree with ClayBuzza, don't watch de match (real shame :lol:). It was very depressing. :crying2: :lol:

l_mac
11-17-2007, 06:10 PM
I'll watch it later.

I watched his little post match interview on the ATP site - he doesn't look crushed like he did after the Wimbledon final, or even after his losses to Ferrer at the USO and in Shanghai.

natinhall
11-17-2007, 06:37 PM
Yeah, I just saw the pics and what he said in an article, and fortunately he doesn't look like crushed or so depressive. At least this. I think from the beginning of MC he was crazy to go home, rest and travel with his family. Maybe cuz this, he is not so depressive.

yana
11-17-2007, 07:17 PM
Here's something to cheer us all up: topless angry Rafa :p

Don't worry, Rafa, you're still our baby bull :hug:


http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/6197/tmcsemi8li4.jpg

Alexandy
11-17-2007, 07:34 PM
I was too nervous to watch the match. And from eveyone's comments I'm glad that I didn't. :sad:

I too don't like this new trend of Rafa's. Let's just hope it's an end of the season thing. I think Rafa will be back to his normal fighting spirit next season after he gets some rest and a vacation.

FedFan_2007
11-17-2007, 08:54 PM
Rafa is a January-July player. From August-November he's just top10-15.

guga2120
11-17-2007, 09:01 PM
Rafa is a January-July player. From August-November he's just top10-15.


wrong forum, loser.

natinhall
11-17-2007, 09:32 PM
:yeah:

Sunset of Age
11-17-2007, 11:25 PM
:yeah: Seems something like "fedal unite against enemy Nole". :lol: I really think they dont like Nole :lol:

I'm sad to admit it, as I'd rather not be labelled as a 'hater' of any a player, but alas... I think Nole really crossed the line of what's 'funny' and what's NOT with his impersonifications. And somehow, someway, I have the impression that Rafa and Rogi weren't too fond of those either. :angel:


yeah, the last defeats of Rafa was very strange. He is very inconstant, suddenly he gave up and is destroyed. I don't understanding Rafa. :confused: He is tired, of course, but I think he is not fighting, just give up.

As much of Rafa 'giving up' during this particular match (mind you, I'm not speaking of any of the others lately...), I think it's not so bad to just admit that Fed was really UNPLAYABLE this particular evening.

I agree with ClayBuzza, don't watch de match (real shame :lol:). It was very depressing. :crying2: :lol:

Thank you :sad: :hug:. Yes, it was a very sad sight. In fact, I never saw Raf so depressed after a match ever before. But I trust the guy - he'll surely be able to bounce back from this disappointment! :D

Castafiore
11-17-2007, 11:45 PM
I think it's not so bad to just admit that Fed was really UNPLAYABLE this particular evening.
Right.
Remember the Monte Carlo final this year, Karen? And what quite a few posters wrote about that match?


What's done is done. Rafa got his ass handed to him in this match. It's quite simple. Let's hope that the final will be less one-sided.

natinhall
11-17-2007, 11:50 PM
As much of Rafa 'giving up' during this particular match (mind you, I'm not speaking of any of the others lately...), I think it's not so bad to just admit that Fed was really UNPLAYABLE this particular evening.




But I admited Fed was really amazing. Im not confused about the defeat, just the WAY he lost. I was expecting a Fed victory, but I thought Rafa could play more than he played. If he were playing in the 2nd set like he played in the 1ts, could be other 4/6. But he made many UE's. Federer played very well, but Rafa was faded. Understand what im saying? Of course, rafa lost because federer played so better than him. But even losing, he can play better. :)

Sunset of Age
11-17-2007, 11:52 PM
Right.
Remember the Monte Carlo final this year, Karen? And what quite a few posters wrote about that match?

Yep, I do. That was an awesome match, and Rafa was BY FAR the better player! If anything else was said around that time - and it may well be that I said some stupid things as well, there - let it be clear: Raf was absolutely DOMINANT there, and fully deserved the win!

As I said here before, I think Roger's first set victory was quite a lucky one today - who knows what would've happened if Rafa would've won that first one...? He WAS dominating Roger in the rallies, after all...

What's done is done. Rafa got his ass handed to him in this match. It's quite simple. Let's hope that the final will be less one-sided.

Fully agree. I hoped the match between Raf and Rogi to be a lot less lopsided than it appeared to be :sad: - let's hope David gives Roger a real reason to be frightened.

It'll all depend on Roger's serve. If it breaks down - the match will be David's!
And well deserved I'd want to add. :yeah:

Sunset of Age
11-17-2007, 11:56 PM
But I admited Fed was really amazing. Im not confused about the defeat, just the WAY he lost. I was expecting a Fed victory, but I thought Rafa could play more than he played. If he were playing in the 2nd set like he played in the 1ts, could be other 4/6. But he made many UE's. Federer played very well, but Rafa was faded. Understand what im saying? Of course, rafa lost because federer played so better than him. But even losing, he can play better. :)

:hug:

I think the whole match appeared to be decided in the 9th game, really.
Raf lost all of it thereafter, and we can only speculate on HOW and WHY.

A combination of Roger smelling BLOOD thereafter, and Raf having no answer at all, I guess...

Castafiore
11-17-2007, 11:59 PM
If anything else was said around that time - and it may well be that I said some stupid things as wellYup.
:angel:

Thanks, Karen. That's what I wanted to hear. ;) :)


Federer and Nadal have had WTF matches before. In fact, the majority of them have been. There's only a few of them that were tight battles all the way to the end, Rome 2006 being the best example of that (and I'm still pissed off at the fact that they scrapped the best of 5 format in too many tournaments and matches).
Either Nadal or Federer gets taken out of their respective comfort zone in quite a few of their matches.

l_mac
11-18-2007, 12:04 AM
Well, I watched it and I'm fine. I did have to watch the last 4 games on fast forward (far less painful when each "minute" lasts only two seconds) but I've done it now, and it's deleted forever :banana:

He really needs to do something about his 2nd serve :help:

Three times this year he's annoyed me by obviously deflating when he got behind in the score in a best of 3 match. Hamburg, Paris and here. There's no time for that in best of 3, Rafa. The match is away from you before you know it. :mad:

So 2007 is over for Rafa, and he has more points than ever :woohoo: Do you think it's too early to start worrying about all those points he has to defend between March and July? :crying2:

guga2120
11-18-2007, 12:10 AM
So 2007 is over for Rafa, and he has more points than ever :woohoo: Do you think it's too early to start worrying about all those points he has to defend between March and July? :crying2:

Indian Wells maybe, but the clay, I hope you are kidding there.

Castafiore
11-18-2007, 12:11 AM
He really needs to do something about his 2nd serve :help:
AMEN!

Do you think it's too early to start worrying about all those points he has to defend between March and July? :crying2:
Are you kidding? I'm in denial about that until February 2008 or so.
:bolt:

natinhall
11-18-2007, 12:24 AM
Uncle Toni, ASK TO GO OUT! :lol: Im kidding. But I think Rafa needs other coach or someone to support uncle toni. Other pro to help Rafa improve in HC. Rafa is perfect on clay courts, and HC, Toni isn't helping him sufficient. I think other coach can be more productive and faster to help Rafa. And he needs this urgent.

the_natural
11-18-2007, 12:25 AM
He really needs to do something about his 2nd serve :help:

Three times this year he's annoyed me by obviously deflating when he got behind in the score in a best of 3 match. Hamburg, Paris and here. There's no time for that in best of 3, Rafa. The match is away from you before you know it. :mad:


YES thats my exact Sentiment, David Improved his second serve and he won back to back masters, David had 47% first serves against federer and straight setted him because the second serve is so strong he knows he can do more on the first also the opponent cant attack the second. Its the same thing federer has done (plus the fact that the knew K-factor adds a world of kick to the second serve). When you know you can do alot with your second serve you are able to be alot more confident, your only as good as your second.


AND RAFA NEEDS TO STOP SERVING EVERY F@#$ING SERVE TO FEDERERS GOD DAMN BACKHAND MAN.

l_mac
11-18-2007, 12:25 AM
Indian Wells maybe, but the clay, I hope you are kidding there.


No, not kidding about clay. No way he defends all his point next year. He'd have to play four weeks in a row with only one week of rest before the FO.

the_natural
11-18-2007, 12:43 AM
For everyone who wants to know why he lost so badly?

Rafa is a crappy returner, I keep saying it, change the god damn grip, he returns while holding a bloody forehand western grip, especially on a low bouncing surface like this you dont hit top spin floating returns. I knew the match was over after watching him blow 0-30 then the break point, he got aced so many times cos hes soo far back, it opens up the court to use that kicking serve to move it outta court, and federer mixes his serve up against rafa so rafa is clueless, Nalby did the same damn thing.

Federer fans say "oh hes just a god and is untouchable" F@#$ that man its that rafa guesses when returning, Oh yeh and dont get me started on all the motherf@#$ing unreturnables especially when federer was starting to falter in the first set, he hit all those returns into the net cos this is a fast low bouncing court and rafa has a western grip, the only way to return those serves effectively with that grip is to see the ball like agassi and get as much racket head speed as possible to just barely whip it over the net (anyone who saw it saw how many of those important returns clipped the net).


Oh Btw is Rafa a F@#$ING IDIOT? OR ARE DOES HE REALLY HAVE THAT MUCH BLIND RESPECT FOR FEDERER!?!? I mean FOR F@#$S SAKE!! Why the HELL was he hitting every single ball to federers backhand??? How many damn serves went to his backhand? And in the rallies too he HARDLY ever changed direction on it, i guess its true in the rallies he wasnt as confident as he wanted to be, because he had so many opportunities to make federer run to the forehand like he did against Djoko. I thought that was his best match of the year and then he pulls this $hit out of his behind. God damn it man, Federer trains very specifically to beat Rafa (not always but he does it alot just like he trains specifically to beat the brainless ball machine players that dominate the tour).

The ONLY TIMES that rafa changed his game was early on in the match and then just before he had his major f@#$ up at 4-4.


RAFA IF YOU EVER WANT TO WIN A SLAM ON A FAST SURFACE, HIRE A NEW COACH, FIX THAT PATHETIC SECOND SERVE, CHANGE YOUR DAMN GRIP ESPECIALLY ON SERVE SO YOU CAN STAND IN CLOSER AND TAKE THE BALL EARLIER INSTEAD OF NEEDING TO WAIT FOR THE BALL TO BOUNCE UP HIGH ENOUGH FOR YOU TO HIT IT. ....Oh yeah and STOP WORSHIPING FEDERER SO MUCH.

P.S. For anyone who thinks federer was just "too unbelievable today" Please, Get real, He was also "Out of this world" against Nalby in Madrid, and he was "playing better than that wimbledon final" Against Gonzo. Difference is that both guys were able to get his best shots back especially his serve, and protect the baseline much better cos they could take the ball off the rise (Which you cant do with a western grip). After that Federer drops a bit and they can raise.

natinhall
11-18-2007, 12:45 AM
I think will be very hard to Rafa to defend all his points on clay. Im not so secure about this :unsure:

the_natural
11-18-2007, 12:45 AM
No, not kidding about clay. No way he defends all his point next year. He'd have to play four weeks in a row with only one week of rest before the FO.

Rafas gonna drop to number 3 next year if hes lucky. People have to recognise the difference between playing with an aggressive mindset (like he did against Djoko by changing direction on the forehand and backhand) and having a more aggressive playing style (Standing on the baseline LIKE HE DID AT WIMBLEDON 06 WHEN HE CHANGED HIS GRIP AND WAS ALMOST ON THE BASELINE TO RETURN).

If any of you could Contact Rafa you gotta get that message across to him or his glory days are over.

l_mac
11-18-2007, 12:47 AM
^^ I think it's too late for him to change his grip now.

When Federer, or any player with a better than half decent serve, serves at over 80% first serves in it's going to be very hard to look like a great returner. I actually thought Nadal returned well in the first set.

the_natural
11-18-2007, 01:00 AM
^^ I think it's too late for him to change his grip now.

When Federer, or any player with a better than half decent serve, serves at over 80% first serves in it's going to be very hard to look like a great returner. I actually thought Nadal returned well in the first set.

Yeh but rafa wasnt even picking the correct side, he doesnt even need a major grip change, just a slight one like he did last year to great effect at wimbledon, the one time when federer started lapsing and missed a few first serves, cos he just comes in on a high and goes after all his shots then has 1 game when he makes a mistake and is awakened to his situation, rafa didnt get back the serves that counted even when he was on the right side or made contact, at the very least he can change his returning grip to a more eastern forehand to get a more open racket face then he can slice or make good contact on return to use the opponents pace and get more depth.

Thats probably his biggest problem, he doesnt have a good eye for returns, and when hes further back he spends longer thinking about how to return and also has to do more to make the return, so even when the opponent starts to faulter he cant capitalise, rafa always has to fight for every point even on hard courts

l_mac
11-18-2007, 01:01 AM
I think it's too soon to be sounding the funeral bells on Rafa's career.

Even if '08 is disasterous, he's still only going to be 22 at the end of it. Honestly what Rafa's achieved in his short career thus far is nothing short of amazing. Every time I've heard a pundit chime in on Djokovic's "Incredible" breakthrough year, jumping from #16 at the start of the year to#3 by the USO, I think about Rafa going from #31 to #2 (with a Slam title days after his 19th birthday) in the space of 4 months in 2005. Then the next year defending all his points in the clay season (and no-one gave him a prayer of doing that) and getting to the Wimbledon final. This year he was easily the best player in the world from Indian Wells to Wimbledon and, yes, the last 3rd of the year has been disappointing but surely nobody can look back on 2007 and think he's had a bad season OR that he's a worse player than he was 12 months ago?

He's 21. He's phenomenal. There's no other player that I'd rather watch, and it's not just because of the famous ass :lol: , but because he's super talented and a joy to follow. As long as plays, I'll be a fan.

I must say that it's nice to see people posting in here :hug: It's been really quiet since I started posting at MTF regularly.

Vamos Rafa forum in 2008!

hra87
11-18-2007, 04:34 AM
Are you kidding? He's been doing it all the time recently.

I missed the match (shame :lol: ) Maybe I'll watch it later.

Rest up for 08, Rafa :hug:


Not just recently, a lot of his harcourt losses are blowouts in the final set. He usually doesn't give up THIS quickly though, but he hardly sees serving like that every day.

Xristos
11-18-2007, 05:22 AM
Vamooooos in 2008 Rafa!

NevaNadal
11-18-2007, 06:04 AM
Rafas gonna drop to number 3 next year if hes lucky. People have to recognise the difference between playing with an aggressive mindset (like he did against Djoko by changing direction on the forehand and backhand) and having a more aggressive playing style (Standing on the baseline LIKE HE DID AT WIMBLEDON 06 WHEN HE CHANGED HIS GRIP AND WAS ALMOST ON THE BASELINE TO RETURN).

If any of you could Contact Rafa you gotta get that message across to him or his glory days are over.

Wow, I don't like to think of Rafa not being in the top 3. But, it could happen I guess.

Not to mention if he would get injured and couldn't play for quite a while then I guess he would drop out of the top 20 :eek:

Think I just close my eyes and hope for the best.

Naide
11-18-2007, 10:11 AM
RAFA IF YOU EVER WANT TO WIN A SLAM ON A FAST SURFACE, HIRE A NEW COACH, FIX THAT PATHETIC SECOND SERVE, CHANGE YOUR DAMN GRIP ESPECIALLY ON SERVE SO YOU CAN STAND IN CLOSER AND TAKE THE BALL EARLIER INSTEAD OF NEEDING TO WAIT FOR THE BALL TO BOUNCE UP HIGH ENOUGH FOR YOU TO HIT IT.


Agreed

yana
11-18-2007, 11:32 AM
In fact, I never saw Raf so depressed after a match ever before.

Wimbledon, this year? He almost cried at the ceremony and he said in the presser that he cried in the locker room.
Yesterday, he didn't look that depressed to me...

yana
11-18-2007, 11:39 AM
So 2007 is over for Rafa, and he has more points than ever :woohoo: Do you think it's too early to start worrying about all those points he has to defend between March and July? :crying2:

He's not the only one who will have these kind of worries next year. The no.3 is in "trouble" as well.

l_mac
11-18-2007, 03:33 PM
Rafa's presser:

Rafael Nadal

SHANGHAI, CHINA

THE MODERATOR: Questions, please.

Q. Olympic medal, Grand Slam champion, which do you prefer?

RAFAEL NADAL: Nice start press conference today. :lol: Grand Slam. I prefer Grand Slam. And after a Grand Slam, between Davis Cup or medal. Right now medal because I have the Davis Cup, no?

Q. The first set up until 4-4 looked very tight.

RAFAEL NADAL: Very tired? :lol:

Q. Tight. One could argue that you played a cleaner first few games than Roger, and then he broke you and sort of ran away with things.

RAFAEL NADAL: I play very good match the first set. I have a lot of chances. Love-30, one breakpoint. Well, not a lot. :haha: Love-30, one breakpoint with one forehand for have the break, the passing shot to the forehand.
But, well, later he do the first break in the 5-4. The first opportunity, he make it. Finally the start of the second set, kill me, no? :hug: I tried. I was focused for try to continue, but he play unbelievable in the beginning, no? Playing very crazy inside the court was start to not do mistakes. Was very tough for me the beginning of the second.
And finally he give me the second break and the match was finished, now? I fight. I fight. I fight. I try to stay in the match, but he play very well today. Nothing to say. Just congratulate him. :)

Q. You looked good on the service at the beginning of the first set. How important is it not to let him get ahead of you? Is that the key to everything in a match against Roger?

RAFAEL NADAL: No, no, no, because I beat him a lot of -- sometimes :lol: without serve very well. The key of the match was not the serve. Never, no?
The key, especially in this surface, first is if he cannot play his best tennis, no, if he don't have the best day, it will be easier for me, you know. And after, well, I have to play very focused all the time.
Today I didn't get the rhythm because the play was very aggressive. Was difficult for me stay in the match. And when I need the rhythm, the rhythm wasn't there because they put me lot of aces, they play very aggressive in the return all the time. So was very difficult play with good rhythm, no? And for beat him, is important for have a good rhythm.
Well, is important serve well. Not against Roger, but against everybody. Against Roger, too. But very important serve well against everybody. I improve the serve in the last months. I am serving a little bit better. So I think it's continuing improving for next year, no?
I have one month right now for try to continuing improve every day. I am young, no, and I have to continuing. Anyway, I have to try. I don't know if I gonna do, but I have to try.

Q. Roger and David will meet in the final. David is one of the best performing players in this tournament. Roger beat you tonight within one hour. What do you think is going to happen in the final?

RAFAEL NADAL: Anything can happen, no? Roger is the favorite because the style of Roger is not easy for David. The final is three sets or five sets?

Q. Five sets.

RAFAEL NADAL: Five sets. Well, David has his chances because he arrive to this final with his best performance ever, no? He never was playing like this before. So he's doing very well everything, playing with very good confidence. And if he believe on the victory, he gonna has his chances, no?
Always if Roger is not at his top level -- if Roger is at his top level going to be very tough, no, because is difficult. David needs a little bit the rhythm, too. If Roger serving like today is going to be difficult.
Anyway, David is very good returner. He has a very good return. We will see tomorrow. Going to be interesting match. I wish -- I just say best of luck to David, and Roger, too. But David is from Spain. If David won here, is very good news for the tennis, especially in Spain, no?

Q. Do you think he won this game tonight because he served in such an amazing way tonight? Do you want to do some work to improve your return?

RAFAEL NADAL: No, he won because he played better tonight. On this surface at this moment I think -- no, I am totally sure he is better than me. :hug: If he is playing very good, I have to play unbelievable for try to play against him, no? If not, it's impossible, especially if he's playing with good confidence.
And today he's playing very inside the court and was very difficult for me.

Q. Are you going to approach next season differently at all, play fewer tournaments or train in a different way, to make sure you maintain your health? :rolleyes:

RAFAEL NADAL: No, no, no. Everything is going well. No. 2 in the world for third year in a row. 5,600 points. I don't know if I am the best No. 2 in the history by points, but one of those ones for sure. With these points, in a normal situation, I am the No. 1 in 75% of the situations, no? So I think the things is going very well.
I don't have to change a lot of things. I have to continuing improve my things and I have to try to improve my serve more and more. I have to continuing trying improve my return, my aggressive return, continuing improve the volley, the slice. I improve a lot this year the slice, the volley. I am going more times to the net.
So that is important point for me. But I have to continuing do for be better player, no? But didn't change too much things. You say something about the healthy. So the problem only was one. I wasn't play the US Open with my best performance because I have a problem in the knees. But for the rest, I am the third player or the second player of the tour or the first. I don't know exactly who play more matches every season, and I didn't lose any important tournament.
Only the US Open I have this problem. If this problem I have, I don't know, three weeks after when I have to go to Bangkok, no one going to speak something about that.
So I didn't have the best of luck in this situation, no? But I play a lot of matches. I play a lot of weeks, a lot of matches every weeks. I play Monte-Carlo, Barcelona, Rome, Hamburg, Paris, Wimbledon. The same every time the final. So is very difficult be a hundred percent always.
But this year I didn't have any problem. Only the US Open. So that's very good year for me and very good news because physically I was very good all the year. But sometimes the people always are speaking, Rafa is injury. :lol: No, I am not injury. Sometimes I have some problems, but the normal problems like every player, no?

Q. At one point Roger won 20 of 21 points from 4-4 in the first set.

RAFAEL NADAL: In a row? :lol:

Q. He won 20 of 21. He won a lot of points in a row.

RAFAEL NADAL: 20? :lol:

Q. Something like that.

RAFAEL NADAL: That's a lot (smiling). I don't think, no.

Q. How frustrating was that period of the match? Is that the best Roger has played against you?

RAFAEL NADAL: No, I remember unbelievable set from him. Two. The first set of Wimbledon of 2006, and the first set of Dubai 2006 was unbelievable, too.
Today when he start was very tough stop him, no? But I remember better moments from him. But from the 4-4 to the 4-1 or 4-0 in the second set was unbelievable him. When he's playing in this way, it's impossible to stop him.

Q. With the win tonight, Roger is now having a better record against you in 2007 with three wins and two losses. On clay court, he is having more chances to play against you than a couple years ago. Do you think now you may lose advantage to play him mentally and technically?

RAFAEL NADAL: I understand your question, but I didn't understand the beginning of the question. What's happening? Well, he beat me in Hamburg. He beat me in Wimbledon, his best surface. I had more chances to win against him than he won against me in this match.
But, anyway, that's doesn't matter because I always say the same. This is not a competition against Roger. This is a competition against the other guys of the tour because I always said Roger, when he's a hundred percent, he playing another league.
So I never compete against Roger. This year I have some chances for be No. 1. Yes, the watch of Wimbledon was very, very important for try to be No. 1. I have chances. I had a lot of chances for won this match. Finally I lost.
And anyway, was the year when I was closer to him. I lost three times, I won two. But always it depends of the moment or the situation. Last year I don't know if I won more times than him, but I play more times on clay. So this year I play three times and I won two. And in grass...
Is the same if he think right now you are closer to Roger on grass. No, why? He beat me anyway. So I don't think. I think is depends always of the moment.

End of FastScripts

http://www.asapsports.com/show_interview.php?id=46708

What a star.

Roger's presser is also up (Karin look away NOW!!) ... and, honestly, it's probably the worst one I've ever read from him in terms of arrogance. I laughed my ass off reading it. I don't usually go in much for Fed-basing, especially not in here, but really ... ?!??! edited out, but there's a whole thread devoted to Rog's arrogance in GM if you want to vent :lol: http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=113370

http://www.asapsports.com/show_interview.php?id=46707 - if you can bear it.

yana
11-18-2007, 03:43 PM
Roger's presser is also up (Karin look away NOW!!) ... and, honestly, it's probably the worst one I've ever read from him in terms of arrogance. I laughed my ass off reading it. I don't usually go in much for Fed-basing, especially not in here, but really ... ?!??!

:lol:

P.S.When I post this kind of quotes of Fed, you acusse me of Fed-bashing. Now you can convince yourself.

l_mac
11-18-2007, 03:49 PM
:lol:

P.S.When I post this kind of quotes of Fed, you acusse me of Fed-bashing. Now you can convince yourself.


I don't mind people bashing any player, I just don't think making fun of Roger is what we should be doing in this forum. But this time .. :tape: :tape: Couldn't resist. I know - total hypocrite :haha:

hra87
11-18-2007, 03:59 PM
Wimbledon, this year? He almost cried at the ceremony and he said in the presser that he cried in the locker room.
Yesterday, he didn't look that depressed to me...

That's not a good thing...


Anyway, I think almost all of us have come to rebel against Uncle Toni. He's perfectly happy with maintaining the status quo. The mindset, "I need to play how I'm playing to make sure I stay #2" is going to get him stuck at #3-5 eventually. Maybe not not next year (i think he can keep up #2 next year, we're probably all overreacting after the bad hardcourt/indoor season as usual, although Djokovic could be a threat on clay, he can handle high balls really well), but eventually. The only way to keep #2 is to honestly go for #1, and the only way to do that is to alter your game, and put a little risk to the clay season. Because as time goes on, it's going to be worth less and less points, and more and more great claycourters are going to come up. He should play more clay to keep healthy and to keep his spirits up, but he needs to alter his game to be competetive on hardcourts. Answer, GET A NEW COACH!!!!!

And I agree with thenatural almost completely, especially about Roger being unbeatable. He didn't play that great in Roger terms, he really didn't. Just his serve, and part of the reason he had such a good serve is that Rafa has an awful return of serve, there were a lot of returnable unreturnables. Roger played very well, but he's still beatable playing very well.

Oh, and I really thought Ferrer had a chance against Roger today, he has a great return of serve, can hit backhands great on the rise. Oh well, didn't watch it, what was the issue?


BTW: Brad Gilbert? He's still contractually obliged to LTA, right? Oh, just read they cut 8 months a year out of it, so he has lots of free time. I believe I read that he likes Nadal a lot and they have a good relationship. Good idea? Don't need to fire Uncle Toni, but hiring him would be good. If Uncle Toni was gone too, I'd expect too much of a personality clash for Rafa.

yana
11-18-2007, 04:05 PM
I don't mind people bashing any player, I just don't think making fun of Roger is what we should be doing in this forum. But this time .. :tape: :tape: Couldn't resist. I know - total hypocrite :haha:

So you must understand why I sometimes can't resist to do this either ;)

P.S: Where is Mallorn? I really miss her :sad:

hra87
11-18-2007, 04:09 PM
The Ego King strikes again!

natinhall
11-18-2007, 04:19 PM
The Ego King strikes again!

:yeah:



Sorry Karin, but this Fed quote was nasty. Really disgusting. BLEH

l_mac
11-18-2007, 06:57 PM
Wimbledon, this year? He almost cried at the ceremony and he said in the presser that he cried in the locker room.
Yesterday, he didn't look that depressed to me...

He also looked depressed after Hamburg, Madrid and especially after Paris. Although Rafa says he is a "good loser", you can always tell that he absolutely hates it. The way he scoots off court at lightrening pace always amuses me. He really hates losing in finals because he has to hang around with his good sport face on :lol:

He's not the only one who will have these kind of worries next year. The no.3 is in "trouble" as well.

Somehow this concerns me less :shrug:


Sorry Karin, but this Fed quote was nasty. Really disgusting. BLEH

Aw, it's not disgusting. I feel mean for posting it in here now. It made me laugh and, to be honest, Roger has earned the right to be arrogant now if he wants. He's a very different personality to Rafa and he surrounds himself with a very different set of people and conducts his life as a celebrity in a very different way than our favourite. But it doesn't make him a bad person. To be fair, Rafa's "I just simple boy from the hills, I always just try my best improve, no?" grates on me occassionally too :haha:

I'll take Roger's quote away now because there is a whole "reel 'em in" thread by sawan devoted to Roger's arrogance in GM.



edit to add: I know Rafa is not from the hills.

yana
11-18-2007, 08:18 PM
Somehow this concerns me less :shrug:

What I wanted to say is that Rafa wouldn't have to concern much about Nole, cause next year the Serb will have the pressure on.


To be fair, Rafa's "I just simple boy from the hills, I always just try my best improve, no?" grates on me occassionally too :haha:

Yeah, sometimes that bugs me too. :angel:

natinhall
11-18-2007, 08:29 PM
Aw, it's not disgusting. I feel mean for posting it in here now. It made me laugh and, to be honest, Roger has earned the right to be arrogant now if he wants. He's a very different personality to Rafa and he surrounds himself with a very different set of people and conducts his life as a celebrity in a very different way than our favourite. But it doesn't make him a bad person. To be fair, Rafa's "I just simple boy from the hills, I always just try my best improve, no?" grates on me occassionally too :haha:

I'll take Roger's quote away now because there is a whole "reel 'em in" thread by sawan devoted to Roger's arrogance in GM.



edit to add: I know Rafa is not from the hills.



:lol: I dont have anything against Federer. I think he is a nice guy, great player and makes charity. But I really hate when he says something like that. :mad: This overdose of self-esteem and pride irritates me a lot :lol: Maybe cuz I prefer humble people like Rafa. But I can't hate Roger, I try but I can't cuz he is really a nice guy. But at least at this moment I HATE HIM :mad: :lol:

FedFan_2007
11-18-2007, 09:46 PM
These are the best times to be a tennis fan. Between Roger's Ego Kingishness and Rafa's country boy attitude and the spanish armada, great times ahead! Also I look forward to Rafa's next beatdown on Andy.

Sunset of Age
11-19-2007, 01:41 AM
Wimbledon, this year? He almost cried at the ceremony and he said in the presser that he cried in the locker room.
Yesterday, he didn't look that depressed to me...

The difference was that in Shanghai he left the court ASAP, didn't even sign autographs - and that I've never seen before, and to me that was a sign that he was truly disgusted at his performance at that very moment, more than at other occasions. Might be wrong though.
At Wimbly he managed to keep a straight face during the ceremony - even more, he was very gracious as we could all see, and collapsed thereafter, as far as I know. NB: exactly the same happened to Roger after losing in RG - was caught crying in the locker room as well. Maybe these guys aren't as different as some seem to think after all.

:lol: I dont have anything against Federer. I think he is a nice guy, great player and makes charity. But I really hate when he says something like that. :mad: This overdose of self-esteem and pride irritates me a lot :lol: Maybe cuz I prefer humble people like Rafa. But I can't hate Roger, I try but I can't cuz he is really a nice guy. But at least at this moment I HATE HIM :mad: :lol:

It's okay :kiss: - but you have to understand that these quotes look very different when printed out on paper than when you actually saw him say it (which I did) - of course he was pleased with himself (that's only natural) but he was obviously in his Über-Dork-mode. :lol: ;)

A guy that gives Rafa a free ride in his private plane can't be all THAT bad, no? :p

These are the best times to be a tennis fan. Between Roger's Ego Kingishness and Rafa's country boy attitude and the spanish armada, great times ahead! Also I look forward to Rafa's next beatdown on Andy.

As long as you are being friendly and positive, I see no reason why you shouldn't post here, FedFan. :wavey:

natinhall
11-19-2007, 02:10 AM
It's okay :kiss: - but you have to understand that these quotes look very different when printed out on paper than when you actually saw him say it (which I did) - of course he was pleased with himself (that's only natural) but he was obviously in his Über-Dork-mode. :lol: ;)

A guy that gives Rafa a free ride in his private plane can't be all THAT bad, no? :p




:lol: Ok Karin :hug:

My hate goes out. I cant hate him. My dislike is just for a few times after all. I know he is not so bad, just extremely narcissist. :smash: :lol: But it's ok, anyone is perfect, and i like him after all. :) :wavey:

hra87
11-19-2007, 02:39 AM
Roger's fine, he's arrogant, but not very much in comparison to his achievements. Not like a 15 year old Donald Young :tape:.

Sunset of Age
11-19-2007, 03:22 AM
:lol: Ok Karin :hug:

My hate goes out. I cant hate him. My dislike is just for a few times after all. I know he is not so bad, just extremely narcissist. :smash: :lol: But it's ok, anyone is perfect, and i like him after all. :) :wavey:

Nobody's perfect! :D :hug:

Roger's fine, he's arrogant, but not very much in comparison to his achievements. Not like a 15 year old Donald Young :tape:.

Heh. Yeah, I think Roger can at least back it up with his achievements. That makes quite a bit of difference for me.

Thanks people! :hug:

FedFan_2007
11-19-2007, 03:37 AM
:devil: Roger's 30 big titles is called "walking the talk!"

Xristos
11-19-2007, 06:00 AM
For those that care this is the draw for KIA.

Very tough for me http://www.tennisinformation.com/tourny/5/1/7/8/5/5/9/draw-1-mf.asp

MariaV
11-19-2007, 08:05 AM
You can do it X, VAMOS! :banana: :bigclap:

MariaV
11-19-2007, 08:21 AM
Uhmm, is FedFan_2007 JMPower's double account? :eek: :eek: ;)
It really bothers me that I don't know whose double account FedFan_2007 is, it bothers me a lot more than Roger's wins. :lol:
Don't kick me out of here but IMO most people in the position of Fed & Rafa would be A LOT more arrogant, I am surprised how normal they've both stayed with that constant craze around them.
On that note, have a nice week everyone! :wavey:

Xristos
11-19-2007, 08:44 AM
You can do it X, VAMOS! :banana: :bigclap:

Vamoooos!

Thanks for the support Maria. :)

bokehlicious
11-19-2007, 09:09 AM
VAMOS RAFITO AND KILL THE EGO KING BASTARD NEXT YEAR !!! :rocker2:

bokehlicious
11-19-2007, 09:10 AM
Uhmm, is FedFan_2007 JMPower's double account? :eek: :eek: ;)

Maria, you can do better than this... :tears: :zzz:

MariaV
11-19-2007, 09:28 AM
Nice to see you around here again JMPower! :kiss: :hearts: :inlove: Unfortunately yes, that's the best I can do right now, just like Rafa against Fed the other day. :sad: :o

bokehlicious
11-19-2007, 10:05 AM
:hug: I was feeling for you the other day Maria, that Rafa spanking must have left a bitter taste in your mouth... :awww: Stay positive, the clay season is not that far away :rocker2: :o :inlove:

MariaV
11-19-2007, 10:09 AM
:spit: :haha: WTF did you do with your name? Why Antonius?

Uhhh, first we gotta get through Australia and US hard court spring. :shrug:

bokehlicious
11-19-2007, 10:16 AM
:spit: :haha: WTF did you do with your name? Why Antonius?

Uhhh, first we gotta get through Australia and US hard court spring. :shrug:

Don't bother with Australia and US HC spring, Rafa is just gonna disappoint you again :awww: :hug: He'll step up come the clay season, no worries :cool: :)

My new username is a tribute to the greatest person on earth :worship: :o

MariaV
11-19-2007, 10:24 AM
:scratch: Who's the greatest person on Earth? Mind you I'm still blonde. :o
And I thought that was Roger the God, no? :angel:

Well, and I'm not only a blonde but a masochist as well so... I just cannot help myself but keep on watching the beatdowns. :awww:

bokehlicious
11-19-2007, 10:29 AM
:hug:

Patrik Antonius is way closer to God than Fed actually :D He's the most prolific poker player and has tons of charisma as well :) he's the Federer of poker with a cuter girlfriend :o

MariaV
11-19-2007, 10:35 AM
Aaah right, I've heard the name although first I wasn't sure. Closer to God than Fed, WOW, but that's quite a statement from you! :eek:
You're playing poker yourself? I had a friend ages ago who was a poker player, I myself don't know much about it.

Edit: Wait, isn't Karin the ClayBuzza a poker player?

bokehlicious
11-19-2007, 10:56 AM
Yes I play poker, I'm about to make a living out of it :)

Karin plays poker ? I don't know about it :shrug:

Castafiore
11-19-2007, 11:11 AM
Karin plays bridge, I think.

bokehlicious
11-19-2007, 11:13 AM
Bridge players often play poker as well... Crappy but they play it :angel: :)

natinhall
11-19-2007, 11:15 AM
Nobody's perfect! :D :hug:



:lol: thanks to correct me, english is not my best skill :lol:

MariaV
11-19-2007, 11:17 AM
Wow, a porfessional poker player? :eek: :eek: Good luck! :yeah:
Uhmm, I imagined you were an accountant or a banker or a financial advisor or smth. :lol:

And uhh, Karin plays bridge, silly me. :silly: I better shut up. :lol: I'm off now to take care of some business. :wavey:

bokehlicious
11-19-2007, 11:26 AM
Wow, a porfessional poker player? :eek: :eek: Good luck! :yeah:
Uhmm, I imagined you were an accountant or a banker or a financial advisor or smth. :lol:

:o What a cliché... Don't you know that all Swiss are not wealthy bankers or financial advisors ? :o

The day I make more money out of poker I'll quit my dayjob... A matter of months hopefully :angel:

MariaV
11-19-2007, 11:39 AM
:o What a cliché... Don't you know that all Swiss are not wealthy bankers or financial advisors ? :o

The day I make more money out of poker I'll quit my dayjob... A matter of months hopefully :angel:

YOU'll be the Roger Federer of poker, not this Patrik Antonius! :worship: :bowdown: :worship: :bowdown: :worship: :bowdown: :worship: :bowdown:
What's your day job then if I may ask? You don't have to tell if you don't want to.

bokehlicious
11-19-2007, 11:43 AM
YOU'll be the Roger Federer of poker, not this Patrik Antonius! :worship: :bowdown: :worship: :bowdown: :worship: :bowdown: :worship: :bowdown:
What's your day job then if I may ask? You don't have to tell if you don't want to.

Nahh P. Antonius is GOD and I'll never come close to his talent :sad: no need to be the best at it to make a good living though :) I hope within 2 years I can move to Vegas and live there... :cool:

I'm bored by my current job, I work as engineer for the main telecom company of the country. That's a good job but damn boring :sad:

yana
11-19-2007, 12:25 PM
I wonder why is JMPower coming so often in our forum. Is it because of Rafa or is it because of the girls? ;)

bokehlicious
11-19-2007, 12:39 PM
I wonder why is JMPower coming so often in our forum. Is it because of Rafa or is it because of the girls? ;)

:hug: both actually :inlove:... Totally in love with both... ;)

MariaV
11-19-2007, 12:42 PM
Yana dear, we Rafa girls are much much more exciting than the Fed forum girls (Mirka :o). :angel: :kiss:
But I don't know if we love JMPower's both accounts though? :scratch:

bokehlicious
11-19-2007, 12:46 PM
Maria, I only have ONE account :fiery: that saddens me to see you confuse me with Fedfan_2007 :sad:

And btw Sheryl and Mirkaland are the cutest girls of these boards :cool: :o

MariaV
11-19-2007, 12:49 PM
'Cute' is not the word to use with girls, JM! :o ;) :angel:
And I didn't refer to mirkaland, just Mirka. :angel: :kiss:

bokehlicious
11-19-2007, 12:54 PM
Mirka is not a regular poster in Fed's forum Maria !!!! :o

Okay, I'll switch the word "cute" to "hot" :inlove:

MariaV
11-19-2007, 12:57 PM
I am just kidding dear! :kiss:
And btw Mirka has a beautiful face, and I shouldn't say a word about excessive weight so... the main thing is Fed's happy with her. :angel:

yana
11-19-2007, 12:59 PM
And btw Sheryl and Mirkaland are the cutest girls of these boards :cool: :o

Cutest than some Eastern European girls that I know? I doubt. ;)

bokehlicious
11-19-2007, 12:59 PM
Mirka looks like the girl next door... That said, her ugliness helps Roger to keep focusing on his tennis and that's all that matters :cool:

bokehlicious
11-19-2007, 01:01 PM
Cutest than some Eastern European girls that I know? I doubt. ;)

Those girls are in a league of their own I admit :inlove: :inlove: but Roger has some of them as fans as well :cool:

MariaV
11-19-2007, 01:06 PM
Mirka looks like the girl next door... That said, her ugliness helps Roger to keep focusing on his tennis and that's all that matters :cool:

JM!!!!!!! :eek: :eek: You should reconsider some of your vocabulary regarding women before heading out to poker pro tour and Vegas! ;) :o :o

bokehlicious
11-19-2007, 01:09 PM
Maria, I just call it as it is :shrug: How would you call her? No shame in being ugly btw... :o

MariaV
11-19-2007, 01:16 PM
Oooh, so you're really as blunt as they come. OOO....KKKK... :o
At least good to know. :scared: :unsure:

Julio
11-19-2007, 01:19 PM
JM, are you a full-time poker player ? Must be difficult to make of living of this ; but i don't talk about Negreanu, Moneymaker, Hellmuth or Williams. Just a simple guy.

MariaV
11-19-2007, 01:21 PM
Julio, read back carefully, JM is no simple guy, he's the new Federer of the poker pro tour, conquering Las Vegas in a storm soon! :angel:

Julio
11-19-2007, 01:23 PM
Julio, read back carefully, JM is no simple guy, he's the new Federer of the poker pro tour, conquering Las Vegas in a storm soon! :angel:

:lol: So good luck to him. He will need some.