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Fed wary of Nadal at the Open

alexbayen
08-25-2007, 02:12 AM
http://sports.yahoo.com/ten/news;_ylt=Alld2OiHsF4AmmOEWMnPQKwgv7YF?slug=reu-openfederer_interview&prov=reuters&type=lgns
(http://sports.yahoo.com/ten/news;_ylt=Alld2OiHsF4AmmOEWMnPQKwgv7YF?slug=reu-openfederer_interview&prov=reuters&type=lgns)
Once again the Fed man undermines Djokovic.. I am wondering if Fed is playing some psychological game here.

krystlel
08-25-2007, 02:17 AM
:lol: I thought this was an overdramatic post, then I saw this quote:
"Even though now people talk about (Novak) Djokovic, for me Nadal is better, a lot better to be honest," Federer told Reuters in an interview.

Johnny Groove
08-25-2007, 02:18 AM
Still doesnt seem to fancy Djokovic too much, but I dont know what he's talking about. Clay and grass, sure, Nadal is better than Nole, no doubt. On hard courts, not so much. At best, Nadal is a 50-50 match, but usually I would give Nole the slight edge.

hra87
08-25-2007, 02:19 AM
INTERVIEW-Tennis-Federer wary of Nadal threat at U.S. Open

By Simon Cambers

NEW YORK, Aug 24 (Reuters) - Roger Federer goes into next week's U.S. Open as the overwhelming favourite as he bids to become the first man in the modern era to win the title for a fourth consecutive time.

But though he is high on confidence after winning his 50th career title in Cincinnati last weekend, the world number one has one name nagging away at him.

Rafael Nadal.

Victory in New York would not only make Federer the first man since American Bill Tillden in the 1920s to win four titles in succession, it would also see him win three of the four grand-slam events for the third time in four years.

A 12th grand-slam crown is also on the line for Federer, just two short of the record held by Pete Sampras.

Nadal ended any hope of a Federer grand slam by beating him in the French Open final and pushed him to five sets in the final at Wimbledon. The Swiss had no doubts about who will be his main rival over the next two weeks.

"Even though now people talk about (Novak) Djokovic, for me Nadal is better, a lot better to be honest," Federer told Reuters in an interview.

"If I don't win the U.S. Open I expect him to win it."

Djokovic beat both Nadal and Federer to win the Montreal Masters the week before Cincinnati but Federer said the Spaniard was a cut above the rest.

IMPRESSIVE STUFF

Federer said Nadal was being underestimated, especially by the media.

"There's no such thing as a specialist on clay now. Maybe it's your best surface but then you can always play well on the hard courts, and even grass today," he said.

"That's why I am not surprised at all at how good he is -- what has surprised me that at his young age, he's been able to do it for so long.

"That's impressive stuff and something that I wasn't able to do. That's why I have high respect for him.

"It's almost impossible for him to be as dominant on hard courts as he is on clay because hard courts is just a different ball game, but it (his main rival) is Nadal."

After equalling Bjorn Borg's record of five consecutive Wimbledon titles in July, Federer took a brief rest and then set to work in the heat of Dubai to prepare for the summer.

"I'm very happy that my hard work paid off in Dubai, right away," he said.

"Taking a break right after Wimbledon is nice, for my private life, for my mental part, for the physical strain I went through from the claycourt season and the grass, but then at the same time you'd like to carry over your confidence into another tournament.

"That's why it's always important to play well right away -- to forget about Wimbledon and look forward. I've had my best summer actually, playing in the finals (in Montreal) and winning (in Cincinnati), so hopefully I can keep it up at the Open."

The top seed will meet qualifiers in both the first two rounds in New York, but Federer said he was wary of every opponent.

"Everybody knows that a qualifier can be tough because he could make his break," he said.

"Ok, people wouldn't expect me to lose in the first round to someone ranked 150 or 200 in the world but it has happened in the past, so you have to always be wary.

"I've been on a great run at grand slams and best-of-five sets should favour me, but with the knockout system you never know."

http://uk.reuters.com/article/UK_TENNIS/idUKSP21057120070824?pageNumber=3



So in the top 5, we have the big boys Federer and Nadal giving each other plane rides and probably other sorts of "rides" as well, Djokovic and Roddick teaming up practicing together and trying to get a seat at their table, and then Davydenko in his own little (mafia-infested) world.

Forehander
08-25-2007, 02:19 AM
will you use some common sense. Like most ATP players, obviously Federer DOESN'T LIKE djerkobitch which is normal because he is such a dishonest uphimself sarcastic attituded prick asshole. He would never accept Djerkobitch's game because there truly is nothing special about it, never accept his overrated talent and potential because and most of all his dickhead try-hard attitude full stop. What type of players Federer fancy are only the ones who are capable of being remembered and unique.

Baghdatis72
08-25-2007, 02:20 AM
Let Roger underestimate Nole and we'll see the results.

Roddickominator
08-25-2007, 02:20 AM
Federer can be wary of Nadal all he wants....and while he's looking ahead to shaking in his boots for that, Mr. Andy Roddick is gonna blow him off the court in the quarterfinals.

Viken01
08-25-2007, 02:21 AM
he is pissed off because he lost to djokovic, that's all...

Johnny Groove
08-25-2007, 02:23 AM
will you use some common sense. Like most ATP players, obviously Federer DOESN'T LIKE djerkobitch which is normal because he is such a dishonest uphimself sarcastic attituded prick asshole. He would never accept Djerkobitch's game because there truly is nothing special about it, never accept his overrated talent and potential because and most of all his dickhead try-hard attitude full stop. What type of players Federer fancy are only the ones who are capable of being remembered and unique.

Federer (and many Frenchies) have the "Lacoste" attitude of only liking the flashy Gasquet-like game where playing sexy shots is more important than winning

Forehander
08-25-2007, 02:31 AM
Federer (and many Frenchies) have the "Lacoste" attitude of only liking the flashy Gasquet-like game where playing sexy shots is more important than winning

because it's called capability of doing so. Being called an Artist is the highest remark you can get within a profession. If you have a natural talent (Federer) or gifts (Nadal) to play artistic tennis, then once you place ur acts together, then there will be a guy like Federer. And Federer never underestimated Djerkobitch.

Johnny Groove
08-25-2007, 02:37 AM
because it's called capability of doing so. Being called an Artist is the highest remark you can get within a profession. If you have a natural talent (Federer) or gifts (Nadal) to play artistic tennis, then once you place ur acts together, then there will be a guy like Federer. And Federer never underestimated Djerkobitch.

Maybe not underestimate, but i havent seen him give much credit to Nole, its usually wry "remarks" :shrug:

cmurray
08-25-2007, 02:37 AM
Federer (and many Frenchies) have the "Lacoste" attitude of only liking the flashy Gasquet-like game where playing sexy shots is more important than winning

I dunno, Jonathan...Rafa doesn't play Gasquet-like tennis, and Feds seems to appreciate HIS game. Personally, I think he just doesn't like Nole. I'm liking this catty side of him...more entertaining than the usual bullshit.

Viken01
08-25-2007, 02:38 AM
because it's called capability of doing so. Being called an Artist is the highest remark you can get within a profession. If you have a natural talent (Federer) or gifts (Nadal) to play artistic tennis, then once you place ur acts together, then there will be a guy like Federer. And Federer never underestimated Djerkobitch.

But you can't say Djokovic has no talent when he is ranked 3rd

mangoes
08-25-2007, 02:38 AM
Maybe not underestimate, but i havent seen him give much credit to Nole, its usually wry "remarks" :shrug:

And I'm happy he doesn't. Nadal is still a by far better player than Djokovic, so I don't understand why the Rafatards are upset. Any reason to bitch out Roger:ras: :ras:

BTW............Hi Jonathan:hug: :hug: :ras:

rofe
08-25-2007, 02:39 AM
He simply doesn't like Novak and this has nothing to do with Novak winning or losing against Federer. I think since his "antics" against Wawrinka, Roger has not been too keen on Novak and even after they "patched" up, he is not too impressed with him.

Oh, and I don't think he underestimates Novak.

Just my 2c.

MatchFederer
08-25-2007, 02:41 AM
And I'm happy he doesn't. Nadal is still a by far better player than Djokovic, so I don't understand why the Rafatards are upset. Any reason to bitch out Roger:ras: :ras:

BTW............Hi Jonathan:hug: :hug: :ras:

You and Federer are both wrong. Nadal is not a much or by far better player than Djokovic, they are BOTH immense, Nadal slightly more so.

mangoes
08-25-2007, 02:41 AM
He simply doesn't like Novak and this has nothing to do with Novak winning or losing against Federer. I think since his "antics" against Wawrinka, Roger has not been too keen on Novak and even after they "patched" up, he is not too impressed with him.

Oh, and I don't think he underestimates Novak.

Just my 2c.

Yep Rofe, since that time, he has had a sour opinion of Djokovic. It's nothing new......

mangoes
08-25-2007, 02:42 AM
I dunno, Jonathan...Rafa doesn't play Gasquet-like tennis, and Feds seems to appreciate HIS game. Personally, I think he just doesn't like Nole. I'm liking this catty side of him...more entertaining than the usual bullshit.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Johnny Groove
08-25-2007, 02:43 AM
I dunno, Jonathan...Rafa doesn't play Gasquet-like tennis, and Feds seems to appreciate HIS game. Personally, I think he just doesn't like Nole. I'm liking this catty side of him...more entertaining than the usual bullshit.

Rafa plays nothing like Richie, but as for why Fed likes him so much, all slash aside (:aplot: ) is because I think he is impressed with how he's beaten him so many times. Not everyone has 8 wins to 5 losses against Fed :shrug:

I also think that Fed knows that if he shoots his mouth off in an interview and bad mouths Nadal, Rafa is gonna get pissed and play even better :devil:

And I'm happy he doesn't. Nadal is still a by far better player than Djokovic, so I don't understand why the Rafatards are upset. Any reason to bitch out Roger:ras: :ras:

BTW............Hi Jonathan:hug: :hug: :ras:

Sheryl :hearts: :smooch:

Yes, Nadal is much better than Nole on grass and clay, but not hard

Blondie1985
08-25-2007, 02:45 AM
nobody likes FAKEvic! he's a joke..

MatchFederer
08-25-2007, 02:51 AM
A lot of people like Djokovic.

Blondie1985
08-25-2007, 02:52 AM
stop whining

Mechlan
08-25-2007, 02:53 AM
No surprise, Roger doesn't like Djokovic. :lol:

I think Nadal is a more dangerous opponent for Federer at the USO and I think that's the measuring stick Roger's going by - not how many players can defeat Djokovic or Nadal or how they match up against each other, but which of them he thinks he would have a harder time beating. And unless Djokovic has some new tricks up his sleeve, that is still definitely Nadal.

MisterQ
08-25-2007, 02:59 AM
But you can't say Djokovic has no talent when he is ranked 3rd

Why not, they said that about Davydenko. :lol:

;)

mangoes
08-25-2007, 02:59 AM
Rafa plays nothing like Richie, but as for why Fed likes him so much, all slash aside (:aplot: ) is because I think he is impressed with how he's beaten him so many times. Not everyone has 8 wins to 5 losses against Fed :shrug:

I also think that Fed knows that if he shoots his mouth off in an interview and bad mouths Nadal, Rafa is gonna get pissed and play even better :devil:


Oh come on Jonathan..........you know that's not the case. Gasquet has a beautiful game. That's the primary reason I like him so much. And, obviously, Roger likes Gasquet's game......not too far a stretch of the imagination to wonder the reason when we call Gasquet "baby fed".

Roger is allowed to like and dislike players. And, overall, Nadal is a better player than Djokovic. That may change in the future, but, right now, Nadal is better.

MatchFederer
08-25-2007, 03:01 AM
Rafa plays nothing like Richie, but as for why Fed likes him so much, all slash aside (:aplot: ) is because I think he is impressed with how he's beaten him so many times. Not everyone has 8 wins to 5 losses against Fed :shrug:


I think there is an element of truth to this...

hra87
08-25-2007, 03:03 AM
Whining about what? I dislike djokovic and like nadal.

How do I get the mods to delete this??????????????

Johnny Groove
08-25-2007, 03:04 AM
Oh come on Jonathan..........you know that's not the case. Gasquet has a beautiful game. That's the primary reason I like him so much. And, obviously, Roger likes Gasquet's game......not too far a stretch of the imagination to wonder the reason when we call Gasquet "baby fed".

Roger is allowed to like and dislike players. And, overall, Nadal is a better player than Djokovic. That may change in the future, but, right now, Nadal is better.

I like Gasquet too, it is really a joy to watch his game when its clicking, just not vs. Roddick :o

As for who's a better player with #2/3, i think the rankings speak for themselves :angel:

FedFan_2007
08-25-2007, 03:53 AM
Blaze - your maturity is growing.

FedFan_2007
08-25-2007, 03:54 AM
Ah, Fed as usual the master tactician. Trying to kiss Nadal's famoooos Arse so much so that Rafa forgets how to play tennis. Jujitsu at it's best.

jasmin
08-25-2007, 03:56 AM
Maybe Fed actually just likes Nadal. Maybe he clicks more with him off the court and that's why they can hang out sometimes.

Johnny Groove
08-25-2007, 04:00 AM
Blaze - your maturity is growing.

:spit: Coming from you? :lol:

Im not sure if i should thank you, start laughing, or make a wise ass joke :lol:

ezekiel
08-25-2007, 04:07 AM
Fed is just jealous and Nole is in his head and it's so bad that he is praising Nadal to spite Nole :o
It's sport so it's fair but we'll see who gets the last laugh

NYCtennisfan
08-25-2007, 04:08 AM
Fed is just jealous and Nole is in his head and it's so bad that he is praising Nadal to spite Nole :o
It's sport so it's fair but we'll see who gets the last laugh

Fed is jealous of Djokovic?

Johnny Groove
08-25-2007, 04:09 AM
Fed is jealous of Djokovic?

Of course he is jealous. Fed's never won Miami and Montreal in the same year :lol:

NYCtennisfan
08-25-2007, 04:10 AM
Of course he is jealous. Fed's never won Miami and Montreal in the same year :lol:

:haha:

ezekiel
08-25-2007, 04:11 AM
Sad Fed :o

http://img185.imagevenue.com/aAfkjfp01fo1i-30105/loc422/14823_Nole_Kami_Fed_122_422lo.jpg

Beforehand
08-25-2007, 04:57 AM
Blaze - your maturity is growing.

:hug:

Chloe le Bopper
08-25-2007, 05:10 AM
Fed is jealous of Djokovic?

I also laughed :D

Chloe le Bopper
08-25-2007, 05:16 AM
It's always refreshing to see somebody in-the-know speak about Nadal with the respect that he deserves. Djokovic will earn his in time.

Rumour
08-25-2007, 05:46 AM
Fed is just jealous and Nole is in his head and it's so bad that he is praising Nadal to spite Nole :o
It's sport so it's fair but we'll see who gets the last laugh

Fed is jealous of Djokovic?

Of course he is jealous. Fed's never won Miami and Montreal in the same year :lol:
Yeah, poor Swiss fella has to console himself with those measly little Slam titles :sad: Just 11 total, including two out of three so far this year and heavily favoured for the fourth - but all that pales into insignificance when he's tied with Djokovic at a couple of AMS shields and trailing Rafa with three :o Envy and fear of the Serb threat must be eating Federer up inside and keeping him awake most nights...

tennis2tennis
08-25-2007, 05:55 AM
ahem sorry what so wrong with this nadal is better he has 2 slams (and 4 gs finals in total) to noles 0!

tennis2tennis
08-25-2007, 06:01 AM
He simply doesn't like Novak and this has nothing to do with Novak winning or losing against Federer. I think since his "antics" against Wawrinka, Roger has not been too keen on Novak and even after they "patched" up, he is not too impressed with him.

Oh, and I don't think he underestimates Novak.

Just my 2c.

agree...there's something really ungenuine about novak, I can't put my finger on it, his joker antics creep me out a bit

Yeah, poor Swiss fella has to console himself with those measly little Slam titles :sad: Just 11 total, including two out of three so far this year and heavily favoured for the fourth - but all that pales into insignificance when he's tied with Djokovic at a couple of AMS shields and trailing Rafa with three :o Envy and fear of the Serb threat must be eating Federer up inside and keeping him awake most nights...

:lol:

Greenday
08-25-2007, 06:02 AM
another jerk here...who hates federer....for no reason

Stensland
08-25-2007, 06:19 AM
fed's right. period.

Chloe le Bopper
08-25-2007, 06:32 AM
agree...there's something really ungenuine about novak, I can't put my finger on it, his joker antics creep me out a bit



Did you have any bad experiences with frat-boys in your past? Novak is the Serbian Fratboy.

caleb_123
08-25-2007, 06:37 AM
Geez blaze sometime you talk alot of shit especially saying that fed should not bad mouth nadal or he'll play better....where's the evidence for the hardcourt season? He still playing below par as usual maybe he shouldn't play so much clay court tourneys and rest up for the Us hardcourt season then he'll get somewhere. To me he's been playind shitty tennis like the last two season of hardcourt and hasn't improve, if he makes the final then i might change my statement until then he still sux on Us hardcourt.

BlueSwan
08-25-2007, 06:37 AM
Fed's become a real Rafatard of late. No more talk about one-dimensionalness.

RDexpress
08-25-2007, 06:41 AM
Fed's just trying to be nice. Nadal has been around a lot longer that Nole and is the main rival with fed. nole will have his years to come, but maybe not long enough just yet for fed to feel the pressure

Marek.
08-25-2007, 06:49 AM
Nadal has a better shot of beating Fed at the USO than Djokovic does IMO. No doubt Fed feels the same way about this.

Marek.
08-25-2007, 06:52 AM
Fed is just jealous and Nole is in his head and it's so bad that he is praising Nadal to spite Nole :o
It's sport so it's fair but we'll see who gets the last laugh

:haha:

gjalex
08-25-2007, 07:02 AM
"Even though now people talk about (Novak) Djokovic, for me Nadal is better, a lot better to be honest," Federer told Reuters in an interview.

A lot better pfft. He is a lot better on Clay, thats it.

BlueSwan
08-25-2007, 07:09 AM
There's just no doubt that Nadal is the one player that Fed actually fears, and it's been like that for years now. No wonder. Not only does he have a losing record against him, he even has trouble beating him on his own best surface, grass. Even during Wimbledon 2006 when Fed was playing God-like tennis, he didn't manage to give Nadal the schooling in the final that most people expected he would. And we all know that Nadal was very close to actually beating Fed at Wimbledon this year.

Hamburg was a relief to Federer, but most the confidence he gained from beating Rafa on clay was shattered when he lost the FO and almost lost Wimbledon to him. Nadal is the one player that Federer doesn't feel that he can beat when he brings his standard B+ game and that has gotten him nervous.

Forehander
08-25-2007, 07:20 AM
He simply doesn't like Novak and this has nothing to do with Novak winning or losing against Federer. I think since his "antics" against Wawrinka, Roger has not been too keen on Novak and even after they "patched" up, he is not too impressed with him.

Oh, and I don't think he underestimates Novak.

Just my 2c.

did something happen between Djerkobitch and Wawrinka?

Forehander
08-25-2007, 07:27 AM
why's there a double post about this? should delete this one -_-

Marek.
08-25-2007, 07:30 AM
ahem sorry what so wrong with this nadal is better he has 2 slams (and 4 gs finals in total) to noles 0!

I was about to say something like this except Nadal has three slams from five finals.;)

I don't think Fed is referring to just hardcourts. Overall Nadal is a better player than Djokovic, at least at this moment. Whether Djokovic achieves more than Nadal remains to be seen.

HarryMan
08-25-2007, 07:44 AM
"Even though now people talk about (Novak) Djokovic, for me Nadal is better, a lot better to be honest," Federer told Reuters in an interview.

"If I don't win the U.S. Open I expect him to win it."

"There's no such thing as a specialist on clay now. Maybe it's your best surface but then you can always play well on the hard courts, and even grass today," he said.

"That's why I am not surprised at all at how good he is -- what has surprised me that at his young age, he's been able to do it for so long.

"That's impressive stuff and something that I wasn't able to do. That's why I have high respect for him.

"It's almost impossible for him to be as dominant on hard courts as he is on clay because hard courts is just a different ball game, but it (his main rival) is Nadal."


http://uk.reuters.com/article/UK_TENNIS/idUKSP21057120070824?pageNumber=3




Reading this interview clearly shows how much Federer respects Nadal and his talent ,and i am sure Nadal respects him equally if not more. Unfortunately the same can't be said about their respective fans ,Sadly.

ahem sorry what so wrong with this nadal is better he has 2 slams (and 4 gs finals in total) to noles 0!

3 Grand Slam titles and 5 finals to be precise .

FedFan_2007
08-25-2007, 07:47 AM
Federer was 7-0 in first 7 GS finals, 4-2 since. Guess who gave the first loss? Rafa of course. Single-handedly prevented a CYGS in 2006-2007.

Rogiman
08-25-2007, 08:37 AM
Still doesnt seem to fancy Djokovic too much, but I dont know what he's talking about. Clay and grass, sure, Nadal is better than Nole, no doubt. On hard courts, not so much. At best, Nadal is a 50-50 match, but usually I would give Nole the slight edge.I'm not sure about that at all. If anything, that first set between them at the Wimbly SF gives me a reason to believe it's the other way around.

Kuhne
08-25-2007, 08:49 AM
Federer can be wary of Nadal all he wants....and while he's looking ahead to shaking in his boots for that, Mr. Andy Roddick is gonna blow him off the court in the quarterfinals.

Last time I heard that joke was at the Australian open, it still is hillarious :)

I love it when Roger plays Andy, I like Andy but he is the opposite of Nadal when talking about Federer, Nadal brings out the worst in Roger, stupid errors, no first serve, crap attitude and just overall crap tennis, Andy brings out the best of Roger

Kuhne
08-25-2007, 08:59 AM
Fed is the most honest player out there, for a while he said Nadal was one dimentional and he was right but now that Rafa has made two wimbledon finals in a row Federer now knows Rafa is a danger to him in all surfaces plus he talks about rafa the way Borg or Sampras talk about Roger, old masters talking about the up and coming legend.

Roger is already an established master and in a while will become the best of all time (probably) so he has confidence in himself to talk about Rafa in that way, no matter how much he kisses Rafa's ass, Rafa still has a long, long, LOOOOOOOOOOONG way to go to acomplish anything near of what federer has acomplished.. and federer is only 26

Fedex
08-25-2007, 09:02 AM
Of course he is jealous. Fed's never won Miami and Montreal in the same year :lol:

Actually, Federer's never won Montreal period, so you may be on to something here.

Forehander
08-25-2007, 09:30 AM
I'm not sure about that at all. If anything, that first set between them at the Wimbly SF gives me a reason to believe it's the other way around.

Ok seriously I can't believe people can even judge from the wimbledon match of Nadal vs Djokovic. If you truly reckon Djokovic played better than Nadal due to the first set then I am sorry obviously u've got a problem. Nadal, after youhzny simply played monstrous tennis equalling Federer on the grass courts. The only reason the sarcastic dihonest faking prick could even claim the set was because Nadal wasn't warmed up yet. In the second set when he warmed up I was jaw dropped how well and aggressive Nadal played. Djerkobitch had to retire due to little girl pain from blisters and Nadal was simply outplaying him like crazy from 1st set on. Djerkobitch was playing his best tennis in 1st set and continued but Nadal simply brought it up to another level.

Chloe le Bopper
08-25-2007, 09:55 AM
I'm not sure about that at all. If anything, that first set between them at the Wimbly SF gives me a reason to believe it's the other way around.
It wouldn't be terribly reasonable to let a single set of tennis overlook two Wimbledon finals, now would it?

(Edited because I forgot the "n't" on the end of would :p)

Mechlan
08-25-2007, 10:02 AM
Ok seriously I can't believe people can even judge from the wimbledon match of Nadal vs Djokovic. If you truly reckon Djokovic played better than Nadal due to the first set then I am sorry obviously u've got a problem. Nadal, after youhzny simply played monstrous tennis equalling Federer on the grass courts. The only reason the sarcastic dihonest faking prick could even claim the set was because Nadal wasn't warmed up yet. In the second set when he warmed up I was jaw dropped how well and aggressive Nadal played. Djerkobitch had to retire due to little girl pain from blisters and Nadal was simply outplaying him like crazy from 1st set on. Djerkobitch was playing his best tennis in 1st set and continued but Nadal simply brought it up to another level.

Nadal was outplayed that first set. Djokovic knew that he wouldn't be able to outlast Nadal, so he came out firing and Nadal was being outhit, as is possible on faster surfaces. Rafa responded in the second, but by that time Djokovic was already fading. Based on their last couple of meetings, I'm looking forward to more matches between these two - usually high intensity, high drama matches.

rwn
08-25-2007, 10:03 AM
Last time I heard that joke was at the Australian open, it still is hillarious :)

I love it when Roger plays Andy, I like Andy but he is the opposite of Nadal when talking about Federer, Nadal brings out the worst in Roger, stupid errors, no first serve, crap attitude and just overall crap tennis, Andy brings out the best of Roger

Wimbledon final 2006: 69% first serve.
Wimbledon final 2007: 71% first serve. Your post lost all credibility already.

t0x
08-25-2007, 10:06 AM
Fed is more worried about Rafa than Djoko.

Fed knows he has to be absolutley 100% to beat Rafa. If his level drops just a bit, he's screwed. But against Nole he was 1 point away from a SS win, and only lost in a deciding TB whilst played pretty average (particually on his BH). Fed certainly knows Rafa has a far better chance of taking him out than Nole.

Nole's time will come though.

groundstroke
08-25-2007, 10:46 AM
Federer isn't stupid, I'm sure he knows about Djokovic, he knows his style.

bokehlicious
08-25-2007, 10:46 AM
I also think that Fed knows that if he shoots his mouth off in an interview and bad mouths Nadal, Rafa is gonna get pissed and play even better :devil:


No, he just doesn't want to get dumped by Rafa... :o

MatchFederer
08-25-2007, 10:49 AM
No, he just doesn't want to get dumped on by Rafa... :o

Interesting... :aplot:

scoobs
08-25-2007, 10:50 AM
Fed has every right to his opinion and I personally see his point. Yes, Djoko took a big step up when he beat the top 3 (at the time) to win Montreal but he still needs to prove that he's ready and able to take that final step up - to reach a grand slam final, and then to win one. He hasn't even been in the final of one yet, so Federer is within his rights to sorta say "whoa, hold on a minute, I think Nadal's still a bigger threat since he's won 3 slams, been to the final of two others, and pushed me to 5 sets in the last one"

I doubt Federer will be "disrespecting" Nole if the Serb can get to the final and push (presumably) Federer very hard, or even beat him. If he wants to judge purely on results rather than get sucked into the hype, that's up to him. If Nadal can get through most of his draw, and it's not a bad draw for him really, then he's got the game on any surface to force Federer to work for it.

yanchr
08-25-2007, 10:59 AM
Fed has been giving too much respect to Nadal's game since this year which is not going to help him in this so-called rivalry at all...

And to me Djokovic is clearly the better one between the two on HC. Fed is simply only judging them by his own games against the two. Clearly Djokovic is much easier a matchup to his...

FSRteam
08-25-2007, 11:02 AM
Federer (and many Frenchies) have the "Lacoste" attitude of only liking the flashy Gasquet-like game where playing sexy shots is more important than winning

So true!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

nobama
08-25-2007, 11:07 AM
Fed has been giving too much respect to Nadal's game since this year which is not going to help him in this so-called rivalry at all...

And to me Djokovic is clearly the better one between the two on HC. Fed is simply only judging them by his own games against the two. Clearly Djokovic is much easier a matchup to his...He doesn't like Djokovic, that's clear. And is probably still pissed that he lost to him in Montreal.

ezekiel
08-25-2007, 11:09 AM
Fed is jealous of Djokovic?

Are you saying Fed is unable of jealousy?

Sometimes he seems really sour at a mere suggestion someone may be equal makes him mad and Nole is much better at his age than him and constantly progressing . As for his words here and after Montreal when Nole won for the first time, none of it seems genuine or serious, rather it exposes a character flaw where he gets defensive and tries to demoralize his opponents with verbal attacks , Last 2 years it was Nadal and now it's Nole with more venom.

Through it all Nole and Rafa before him had remained stoic and didn't stoop that low to actually respond to that blabber, instead they got their payback on the court and I have a feeling that paybacks will increase and continue from now on

bokehlicious
08-25-2007, 11:14 AM
Are you saying Fed is unable of jealousy?

Sometimes he seems really sour at a mere suggestion someone may be equal makes him mad and Nole is much better at his age than him and constantly progressing .

Chang was much better than Nole at 17 :o ....... Nole might achieve more eventually though... :angel:

l_mac
08-25-2007, 11:16 AM
Fed has been giving too much respect to Nadal's game since this year which is not going to help him in this so-called rivalry at all...


How has it hindered him this year? Are they not 2-2 for 2007? That's better than at this time last year. And "so-called rivalry"? How would you categorise it if not as a rivalry?

adee-gee
08-25-2007, 11:21 AM
This Federer is becoming quite a character :inlove:

ezekiel
08-25-2007, 11:22 AM
Chang was much better than Nole at 17 :o ....... Nole might achieve more eventually though... :angel:

Chang was a defensive pusher whol relied on speed , of course he peaked early thus he can't be compared

scoobs
08-25-2007, 11:25 AM
I'll try again (I don't know why)

It's not how early you get there, it's how high you get and how long you stay there that matters. All this talk of "this player got to this level much earlier than that player" is completely irrelevant.

ezekiel
08-25-2007, 11:42 AM
I'll try again (I don't know why)

It's not how early you get there, it's how high you get and how long you stay there that matters. All this talk of "this player got to this level much earlier than that player" is completely irrelevant.


A good point which is why Fed will have some explaining to do when Nole gains his full potential or he may simply claim he was young and dumb :angel:

scoobs
08-25-2007, 11:57 AM
A good point which is why Fed will have some explaining to do when Nole gains his full potential or he may simply claim he was young and dumb :angel:
I don't think Federer will have any explaining to do unless Nole ends up winning more slams and becoming even more dominant than Federer has been. :angel:

Kalliopeia
08-25-2007, 11:59 AM
Fed has been giving too much respect to Nadal's game since this year which is not going to help him in this so-called rivalry at all...


I don't really think they can't be respectful of one another and still maintain competition. In fact I think the competition is enhanced by it. Roger will never walk out on to a court and underestimate Rafa the way he sometimes seems to do with other players.

Sometimes he seems really sour at a mere suggestion someone may be equal makes him mad

I do think Roger really really doesn't like it when anyone suggests that his supremacy could be threatened. He wears that mantle like it's his birthright and he's just been waiting for the world to acknowledge it. Which is extremely irritating to me but I guess some people like that.

Anyway Djokovic has a long way to go before he forces Roger to give him any real respect. I think it doesn't help that Roger just doesn't seem to like him very much, whereas with Rafa not only has he pretty much been forced to respect his talents as a player, they seem to genuinely like one another, too.

Eden
08-25-2007, 12:13 PM
Fed has every right to his opinion and I personally see his point. Yes, Djoko took a big step up when he beat the top 3 (at the time) to win Montreal but he still needs to prove that he's ready and able to take that final step up - to reach a grand slam final, and then to win one. He hasn't even been in the final of one yet, so Federer is within his rights to sorta say "whoa, hold on a minute, I think Nadal's still a bigger threat since he's won 3 slams, been to the final of two others, and pushed me to 5 sets in the last one"

I doubt Federer will be "disrespecting" Nole if the Serb can get to the final and push (presumably) Federer very hard, or even beat him. If he wants to judge purely on results rather than get sucked into the hype, that's up to him. If Nadal can get through most of his draw, and it's not a bad draw for him really, then he's got the game on any surface to force Federer to work for it.

Spot on as usual :yeah:

scoobs
08-25-2007, 12:24 PM
I don't really think they can't be respectful of one another and still maintain competition. In fact I think the competition is enhanced by it. Roger will never walk out on to a court and underestimate Rafa the way he sometimes seems to do with other players.



I do think Roger really really doesn't like it when anyone suggests that his supremacy could be threatened. He wears that mantle like it's his birthright and he's just been waiting for the world to acknowledge it. Which is extremely irritating to me but I guess some people like that.

Anyway Djokovic has a long way to go before he forces Roger to give him any real respect. I think it doesn't help that Roger just doesn't seem to like him very much, whereas with Rafa not only has he pretty much been forced to respect his talents as a player, they seem to genuinely like one another, too.
I think we have to look at the evidence.

How is anyone currently playing his equal?

In winning the same number of slams? Nope.

Reaching the same number of finals? Nope.

Winning the same number of TMS events? Nope.

Etc. Etc. Etc.

You see my point - he doesn't have an equal.

What we're talking about here is whether Djokovic has earned the right to be called a serious rival to Federer. Some people think yes. I think he's very close to it. Federer seems to think "not yet" - remember Federer tended to somewhat downplay Nadal in 05 and 06 (Nadal fans will call it disparaging) but now he's content to call him a rival. Federer's attitude, to me, seems to be "let's see if he can beat me again, let's see if he can make a slam final and push for the title" - if he can do that then I can't exactly argue he's equally dangerous as Nadal, if not more so.

Kalliopeia
08-25-2007, 12:40 PM
I'm not disagreeing with any of that. Trust me I know how Roger downplayed Rafa for so long. It's only really since Wimbledon that I feel he's finally begun saying good things about Rafa without there being something else in there that undermined it. And now he's doing the same thing to Djokovic.

And I do think it's disparaging. I think he doesn't like to have people suggest that someone might be a challenge for him, so he talks them down until he's forced by the weight of their results not to do that anymore lest he sound like an idiot. Which is why I said Djokovic has a long way to go before Roger stops doing that.

I will grant you that my opinion on his motivation for what he says is influenced by my overall opinion of Roger as a pompous ass. Can't help it. :) Others will have a more forgiving view.

avocadoe
08-25-2007, 12:48 PM
Roger always takes his time fully accepting a new talent. Must be proven to him over time. He did the same with Nadal a few years ago but now fuly acknowledges him, his talent etc. Nadal is not crazy for Nole either. He used to like him, but didn't like being imitated, I think. Nole does great imitations. I saw Nadal high five Safin and Neimenin and cold shoulder Nole when entering a practice court in Montreal. It was very obvious and purposeful. This was on Sunday before the tournament was underway. It will be interesting to see if Djokovic and Federer become closer/friendly down the road. We'll see.

scoobs
08-25-2007, 12:48 PM
I'm not disagreeing with any of that. Trust me I know how Roger downplayed Rafa for so long. It's only really since Wimbledon that I feel he's finally begun saying good things about Rafa without there being something else in there that undermined it. And now he's doing the same thing to Djokovic.

And I do think it's disparaging. I think he doesn't like to have people suggest that someone might be a challenge for him, so he talks them down until he's forced by the weight of their results not to do that anymore lest he sound like an idiot. Which is why I said Djokovic has a long way to go before Roger stops doing that.

I will grant you that my opinion on his motivation for what he says is influenced by my overall opinion of Roger as a pompous ass. Can't help it. :) Others will have a more forgiving view.
On the one hand I think he can be a little bit slow to acknowledge reality - he was last to jump on the Nadal bandwagon and cut out the somewhat backhanded nature of his compliments and damning with faint praise.

On the other hand, I think he's a useful antidote to all those who leap on the first passing bandwagon, by saying let's see what he can do at the biggest events, consistently before rushing to judgement.

star
08-25-2007, 01:01 PM
The reason GodFed likes Rafa, is that Rafa obeys GodFed's commandment number one. That is: GodFed is the only GodFed and ye shall worship GodFed above all others.

Rafa is always careful to say that Federer is number one and is far ahead of him and is the favorite, etc. He doesn't say "I can beat GodFed." He only says he will do his best and he hopes he can win. Then after he does win, he praises Federer again. He says he can wait til Federer is gone to be number one. I think this is just Rafa's gracious nature, but but Federer eats up praise with an ice cream spoon.

Djokovic has a different demeanor. He doesn't show the same respect. He just says he wants to beat Federer and wants to be the number one player.

Different personalities. But, I like both of them. Too bad they are on the same side of the draw. I hope Djokovic does keep beating Federer, not just because I like seeing Federer get beaten, but that I'm sure it's likely to bring out that surly side of Federer that lurks just below the polished PR surface. :) :) :)

cmurray
08-25-2007, 01:01 PM
As I said before, I think its pretty clear that Roger doesn't like Nole very much. And I don't think it has much to do with Montreal, either. Roger has disliked Novak for some time now.

And maybe its just me, but I prefer this kind of interview to the kind where Roger says things like "Roddick and Hewitt are real threats". He knows it isn't true, WE know it isn't true. That brand of insincere diplomacy is more irritating to me than any "insult" Roger pays other players.

Kalli, I can see where you're coming from though. Federer is surrounding by an aura of entitlement.

star
08-25-2007, 01:09 PM
As I said before, I think its pretty clear that Roger doesn't like Nole very much. And I don't think it has much to do with Montreal, either. Roger has disliked Novak for some time now.

And maybe its just me, but I prefer this kind of interview to the kind where Roger says things like "Roddick and Hewitt are real threats". He knows it isn't true, WE know it isn't true. That brand of insincere diplomacy is more irritating to me than any "insult" Roger pays other players.

Kalli, I can see where you're coming from though. Federer is surrounding by an aura of entitlement.

Well, true. Getting insulted by Federer should boost a player's confidence. :lol:

yanchr
08-25-2007, 01:42 PM
How has it hindered him this year? Are they not 2-2 for 2007? That's better than at this time last year. And "so-called rivalry"? How would you categorise it if not as a rivalry?
Result is not the only thing that tells. See how Fed was playing against Nadal in Wimbledon. He was not supposed to be playing like he did for the entire match except for the last few games. I also think he focused too much on RG and Nadal which has only done damage to his game as a whole.

It is a rivalry, yes, but to me it's not a fair one with one of them hugely favored due the match-up even before they compete.

Sleepwalker64
08-25-2007, 01:55 PM
I don't like arrogant clowns, but Fed have every right to be that way...after all the things he had done. Nadal is still no 2, his results are showing that. Novak has a long way to go yet to show that he is the keeper of that no 3 spot. It's harder to stay there than to get there. I want to believe that he will stay there and with time prove that he is worth to be no 1, or no 2 one day. Federer didn't insult Novak, you are reading something that is not there...Even if he did, Novak shouldn't give a crap about it, it says more about Federer than Novak. As far as Novak give respect to him, I'm OK. They are not buddies...and I don't want them to be. Fed may dislike him...and that's his problem...I even want him to dislike him...so when he kick his ass again, it would be a complete orgasm. And that day will come, very soon. I'm sure about that.

bokehlicious
08-25-2007, 02:43 PM
I'm not disagreeing with any of that. Trust me I know how Roger downplayed Rafa for so long. It's only really since Wimbledon that I feel he's finally begun saying good things about Rafa without there being something else in there that undermined it. And now he's doing the same thing to Djokovic.

And I do think it's disparaging. I think he doesn't like to have people suggest that someone might be a challenge for him, so he talks them down until he's forced by the weight of their results not to do that anymore lest he sound like an idiot. Which is why I said Djokovic has a long way to go before Roger stops doing that.

I will grant you that my opinion on his motivation for what he says is influenced by my overall opinion of Roger as a pompous ass. Can't help it. :) Others will have a more forgiving view.

No, really ?

Pathetic jealous hater... :zzz:

Burrow
08-25-2007, 02:52 PM
Still doesnt seem to fancy Djokovic too much, but I dont know what he's talking about. Clay and grass, sure, Nadal is better than Nole, no doubt. On hard courts, not so much. At best, Nadal is a 50-50 match, but usually I would give Nole the slight edge.

Not sure about grass, Djokovic was injured and exhausted during the match at Wimbledon, I think Djokovic will, in future, beat Nadal on grass just as convincing as hardcourt. But I don't see Djokovic getting one over on Nadal on clay anytime soon.

MatchFederer
08-25-2007, 02:59 PM
Not sure about grass, Djokovic was injured and exhausted during the match at Wimbledon, I think Djokovic will, in future, beat Nadal on grass just as convincing as hardcourt. But I don't see Djokovic getting one over on Nadal on clay anytime soon.

If Djokovic was better than just an average shotmaker he would have a real go at Nadal on clay... but he isn't. I reckon they will prove to be about equal on the grass but that Djokovic will have an edge on the hardcourts if he doesn't already. Rebound ace may well have been advantage to Nadal but that surface is changing to I can't remember what.

Sunset of Age
08-25-2007, 03:26 PM
Maybe Fed actually just likes Nadal. Maybe he clicks more with him off the court and that's why they can hang out sometimes.

Ah, someone being reasonable over here. Thanks mate! :cool:

guga2120
08-25-2007, 04:01 PM
Novak this year has certainly been a better HC court player than Rafa, I think Novak is going to have to beat Roger in a 5 set match in a slam for Roger to give him full respect. If his draw wasn't so hard he could have a great chance to do that here, but its doubtful though.

Forehander
08-25-2007, 04:08 PM
Roger Federer's weaknesses are usually very much revealed against Nadal due to Nadal's cross court forehand top spins. No players can bring the ball constantly up to that high uncomfortable point better than Nadal. That's why he's wary of him.

Magus13
08-25-2007, 04:33 PM
My opinion is this. First Fed has admitted he does read the papers. First he was done in Kooyong and Roddick would finally take him in the AO. Then it was the Joke talking how he would beat Fed at the AO. Then it was he was losing it due to the two losses at Indian Wells and Miami to Canas. Then after Monte Carlo and Rome his Clay Court game was going down and his issues with Roche. Then after winning Wimbledon , Nadal was getting closer and would be the new #1 this year. After Montreal it was the Joke who was ready to take Fed out at the Open. I think he sees thr big picture and realizes tennis is a long season. He is put on the defensive alot this year. Joke has never made it to a Finals and Fed knows he can beat him when he plays well. He speaks his mind and is honest. As a Fed Fan I know Fed would beat Joke much easier than Nadal. It's as simple as that. Joke has NEVER made a GS Final. Nadal is better than Joke and Fed was being honest.

The_Nadal_effect
08-25-2007, 04:57 PM
Fed might well be being diplomatic in that recent praise he made for Nadal. Perhaps he's trying to shoot two birds with an arrow. He wants to effect Nole's game by letting him know he thinks Nadal is better than him.

Eh? :aplot:

Marek.
08-25-2007, 04:59 PM
So according to some posters here Fed has a fake PC image while Djoke and Nadal don't?

Marek.
08-25-2007, 05:01 PM
Oh and I've been hearing Fed give Nadal praise for a while now. The haters just choose to ignore it and look for the bad stuff. :yawn:

Richard_from_Cal
08-25-2007, 05:12 PM
I dunno if anybody followed the prize money listings, but Federer just recently passed Nadal in total earnings for this year...

Castafiore
08-25-2007, 05:16 PM
I dunno if anybody followed the prize money listings, but Federer just recently passed Nadal in total earnings for this year...
:scratch:

And the relevance to this thread is...?

cmurray
08-25-2007, 05:25 PM
:scratch:

And the relevance to this thread is...?

well....the relevance is that Federer must be proven to be superior to Nadal in all ways. like, duh...:rolleyes: ;)

Sunset of Age
08-25-2007, 05:28 PM
Fed might well be being diplomatic in that recent praise he made for Nadal. Perhaps he's trying to shoot two birds with an arrow. He wants to effect Nole's game by letting him know he thinks Nadal is better than him.


The 'recent' praise he made for Nadal? :confused:

Roger's been praising Rafa since he appeared on court. Yes, I know, there were some incidents during the clay court season in 2006, but as BOTH have declared, that's all over and done with.

And why always think that Roger doesn't mean it and/or has an undisclosed secondary intention when handing out praise to Rafa, while believing him on his word when he doesn't do so to other players (i.c. Djoko).
Double standards, here... :rolleyes:

calvinhobbes
08-25-2007, 06:00 PM
Almost all posters on this thread are believing that Roger, Rafa and Djoko are, more or less in that order, Napoleon, Talleyrand and Fouché. So their words are full of venom, black powder, dynamite. Nobody believes what they plainly say in an interview, pressed by time, spotlights and even pissing-urges. It is ludicrous to give to their words more than an approximative sense. They aren´t linguists. Hardly they master their every day language.
In thirty years, when they become ambassadors of their respective countries (which they will be), their fans will discover how subtle they have become in referring to one another . . . . .

scoobs
08-25-2007, 06:03 PM
Almost all posters on this thread are believing that Roger, Rafa and Djoko are, more or less in that order, Napoleon, Talleyrand and Fouché. So their words are full of venom, black powder, dynamite. Nobody believes what they plainly say in an interview, pressed by time, spotlights and even pissing-urges. It is ludicrous to give to their words more than an approximative sense. They aren´t linguists. Hardly they master their every day language.
In thirty years, when they become ambassadors of their respective countries (which they will be), their fans will discover how subtle they have become in referring to one another . . . . .
If you can decipher what all that's supposed to mean I WILL GIVE YOU MONEY*


*not really

qw19
08-25-2007, 06:24 PM
Rafa and Fed rules

FedFan_2007
08-25-2007, 07:12 PM
Roger pegged Rafa as a future #1 after the 2004 Miami AMS loss. This is JesusFed we're talking about.

Bilbo
08-25-2007, 07:18 PM
Djokovic sucks nuts so does his personality. Fed can't stand him so do I.

Marek.
08-25-2007, 07:37 PM
Almost all posters on this thread are believing that Roger, Rafa and Djoko are, more or less in that order, Napoleon, Talleyrand and Fouché. So their words are full of venom, black powder, dynamite. Nobody believes what they plainly say in an interview, pressed by time, spotlights and even pissing-urges. It is ludicrous to give to their words more than an approximative sense. They aren´t linguists. Hardly they master their every day language.
In thirty years, when they become ambassadors of their respective countries (which they will be), their fans will discover how subtle they have become in referring to one another . . . . .

Great post :yeah:

If you can decipher what all that's supposed to mean I WILL GIVE YOU MONEY*


*not really

I understood it for the most part.:shrug:

Well, atleast I think I did.:D

Loremaster
08-25-2007, 08:43 PM
Nole is a Joke player , he can play great tennis but C'Mon he can handle GS both his SF were lost so easy almost in pathetic way because he doesn't have stamina to play long, maybe he can make semis once again but Nadla will kae final interesting not matter the outcome, Djoke will be dead tired and he will handle trophy to Federer, aslo people are talking about how Nadal game will tire him out and he will burn out, but Djoke game style is not so good his matches are long very long because he is also constructing long points with basic tactics + very good serve (but not so good to win him matches alone) look at his mathces at Wimby even 4 set victories were marathons, french open the same , any big shoot on good day can take him off , look at Patience he almost blown him away

star
08-25-2007, 09:31 PM
Nole is a Joke player , he can play great tennis but C'Mon he can handle GS both his SF were lost so easy almost in pathetic way because he doesn't have stamina to play long, maybe he can make semis once again but Nadla will kae final interesting not matter the outcome, Djoke will be dead tired and he will handle trophy to Federer, aslo people are talking about how Nadal game will tire him out and he will burn out, but Djoke game style is not so good his matches are long very long because he is also constructing long points with basic tactics + very good serve (but not so good to win him matches alone) look at his mathces at Wimby even 4 set victories were marathons, french open the same , any big shoot on good day can take him off , look at Patience he almost blown him away

He's an unfinished work as of now. I think with his ambition he will improve. He can still develop his serve and other aspects of his game. He also has to learn how to handle himself on the big stages.

It's exciting for me to watch a new player come into his own. There is so much that is unknown. And with Djokovic so much depends on his mentality and his ability to stay injury free. It's going to be fun to watch the next few years.

Andi-M
08-25-2007, 09:33 PM
Fed can say what the hell he likes...This past year he's been showing he's not the nicey nice guy he portrayed himself as before...maybe his pissed off with his form or something I dunno.

But as I say Nole dont give 2 craps whether Fed give him respect or not...it will Just motivate Nole to beat him more!!

Forehander
08-26-2007, 02:23 AM
Fed can say what the hell he likes...This past year he's been showing he's not the nicey nice guy he portrayed himself as before...maybe his pissed off with his form or something I dunno.

But as I say Nole dont give 2 craps whether Fed give him respect or not...it will Just motivate Nole to beat him more!!

Federer never claimed he was Mr Nice.

Richard_from_Cal
08-28-2007, 06:20 PM
I dunno if anybody followed the prize money listings, but Federer just recently passed Nadal in total earnings for this year...
To which :scratch:

And the relevance to this thread is...?
And well....the relevance is that Federer must be proven to be superior to Nadal in all ways. like, duh...:rolleyes: ;)

Well, I suppose it tends to support OP's contention. E.g.: Fed is or has reason to be wary...:confused:

Should we call the posting police?