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shadows
08-16-2009, 09:37 PM
Wow

is the only way to sum up that performance

fabolous
08-16-2009, 09:51 PM
Apart from Patton who gave up.




1 Usain Bolt JAM 9.58 (WR)
2 Tyson Gay USA 9.71 (NR)
3 Asafa Powell JAM 9.84 (SB)
4 Daniel Bailey ANT 9.93
5 Richard Thompson TRI 9.93 (SB)
6 Dwain Chambers GBR 10.00 (SB)
7 Marc Burns TRI 10.00 (SB)

the 10-second barrier means nothing these days.

usually i don't use superlatives, but bolt is by far the most gifted sprinter the world has ever seen.

Lopez
08-16-2009, 10:17 PM
the 10-second barrier means nothing these days.

usually i don't use superlatives, but bolt is by far the most gifted sprinter the world has ever seen.

Bolt is the greatest athlete in the world at the moment. And people still complain that he won the Laureus last year?

Amazing.

Taz Warrior
08-16-2009, 11:18 PM
:speakles: :eek:

Unbelievable performance by Bolt - what can he do in the 200m?

Purple Rainbow
08-16-2009, 11:29 PM
Smilies can't express how I felt after the race, but I'll try anyway.... :worship:

Henry Chinaski
08-17-2009, 12:35 AM
OMG we won a Silver

:bounce: :bounce:

yup. she'll probably fail a drug test now

bad gambler
08-17-2009, 12:41 AM
Pretty useful time run by Gay as well

00923
08-17-2009, 01:37 AM
yup. she'll probably fail a drug test now

:haha:

Action Jackson
08-17-2009, 08:12 AM
the 10-second barrier means nothing these days.

usually i don't use superlatives, but bolt is by far the most gifted sprinter the world has ever seen.

Usually you don't get 7 guys in a final going 10 or under, that was the thing about this race.

Bolt is going to run 400s next season, as it's a quiet year for him championship wise.

Purple Rainbow
08-17-2009, 08:59 AM
Bolt is going to run 400s next season, as it's a quiet year for him championship wise.

It's a scary thought to consider the damage he can do in the 400m.
Bolt can run a 200m in 20.00 without any apparent effort (watch the series in Beijing or wait for the series on Wednesday). I know the second half of the 400 is a lot harder than the first half, but does anyone think it impossible for Bolt to run a second 200 within 23 seconds?

Action Jackson
08-17-2009, 09:26 AM
http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0gYxfXpdJ7h1E/610x.jpg

Action Jackson
08-17-2009, 09:33 AM
It's a scary thought to consider the damage he can do in the 400m.
Bolt can run a 200m in 20.00 without any apparent effort (watch the series in Beijing or wait for the series on Wednesday). I know the second half of the 400 is a lot harder than the first half, but does anyone think it impossible for Bolt to run a second 200 within 23 seconds?

I was reading about the training they do for him, well as much as they are going to reveal. Bolt doesn't do much 100m stuff, as the 200m is his business event. They'd have to change it slightly, but he has run 45.28, and in high school he ran 45.30 that is not with any proper training for the event.

Well he won the World Juniors (U20) as a 15 yr old, so it's not like he has come from nowhere.

Kolya
08-17-2009, 09:51 AM
Do you guys reckon Bolt eased up slightly at the finish?

He didn't run 100% all the way through?

LeChuck
08-17-2009, 09:58 AM
Do you guys reckon Bolt eased up slightly at the finish?

He didn't run 100% all the way through?

Yes that's what I saw/thought as well. He definately looked round to see where Gay was also what the time on the clock was before crossing the finishing line.
It's amazing that 9.71 from Gay wasn't enough to win gold, but Bolt has raised the bar to unimaginable heights. Gay is a very gracious and likeable guy, and Bolt is unreal.

marina36
08-17-2009, 10:01 AM
Bolt... :eek::eek:
He is phenomenal!!!

Action Jackson
08-17-2009, 10:10 AM
Do you guys reckon Bolt eased up slightly at the finish?

He didn't run 100% all the way through?

It wasn't like last year, but he had a bit in reserve. He had a look at Gay and gave him "is that the best you have look".

Andi-M
08-17-2009, 10:24 AM
Absolutly awesome, just fantastic. He will get closer and closer to 9 second every major championship I think cos he eased up at about 85m again and ran 9.58 just stunning.

Poor Tyson Gay he ran unreal 9.71 such an awesome time and he gets silver :eek: I thought Powell did well to get bronze. So many guys sub-10 is fantastic!! :D

Jessica is a Sheffield girl like me yaay, so happy for her she really did soo well :woohoo:

Truc
08-17-2009, 12:59 PM
Bolt is so unbelievably cool, before the races he was joking with people in the crowd, he really interacts with the fans in such a great way too, the guy is a blessing for the event. I know some people think he puts on too much of a show when they see him on TV, but really, when you're in the stadion, it's just awesome. I don't think I had ever seen anything like that before.

Just too bad they didn't let the heptathlon girls finish their lap of honour because of the 100 m final, quite frustrating not to be able to celebrate them properly. They got completely lost in the middle of the Boltmania then, they didn't deserve that.

My other personal highlight was Felix Sanchez qualifying for the final. It was almost even better because it was unexpected. I was nicely surprised he got such a big applause, the crowd was pretty German-centered apart from the 100 m stars (the gold medalist of the shot put, Livi, didn't get enough recognition imo, people seemed to care only about Kleinert), but Sanchez got a nice support too.

Truc
08-17-2009, 01:10 PM
Have fun!!

I'll be there on Friday and Saturday.If you don't have tickets yet, it's not sold out at all, I've heard some sponsors were even selling tickets for 5 € at the KulturStadion at the Brandeburger Gate.
I already have good tickets for Thursday, but maybe I'll go again on Saturday or Sunday too if I have time and I can get cheap tickets.

Take the schedule of the day, the entry lists, etc. with you if you don't want to buy the event catalogue for 8 €, they give out the "Daily" with all the info only to people who've bought the catalogue.
The speaker in the stadion was focussing too much on heats I wasn't very interested in, I would have been much more interested in the triple jump qualifying, for example, he told us only twice about it because the German was about to spring. It was quite hard to follow.

It was my only criticism, very good organization otherwise, I didn't queue once, not even a bit at the gate or for the security controls, although it was really full for the evening session.
No access to the training areas at all, unfortunately.

Action Jackson
08-17-2009, 01:21 PM
Bolt is a man of the people, yes he does a bit of showy stuff, but he can back it up and it's more about fun than anything malicious. In fact his antics helped settle Powell down, who wasn't too bad in the final and ran a season best in the final.

Naturally they were going to focus on Kleinert in the shotput, the crowd seemed very loud on the TV, it was a great effort from Kleinert and Vili is just too good.

Action Jackson
08-17-2009, 06:49 PM
Primož Kozmus what a guy, first ever gold for Slovenia in a World Champs and great to see.

Taz Warrior
08-17-2009, 07:01 PM
800m semis were quite interesting - too many people were too busy watching Benhassi in the first heat and paid the price, Jepkosgei gets lucky again and good to see 2 Brits in the final. Hopefully one of them can sneak a medal in the final.

Taz Warrior
08-17-2009, 07:02 PM
Women's 100m final should be good as well - I can't pick a winner at this stage :shrug:

SloKid
08-17-2009, 07:06 PM
Kozmus >>>>>>>>>>>> Bolt :D

Nedved Rosicky
08-17-2009, 07:43 PM
no medal for Isinbayeva :eek:

Action Jackson
08-17-2009, 07:44 PM
Isinbayeva, well didn't take defeat very well, shattered, but got to get a height at a major champ, emulating Bubka in another way.

Marta Dominguez tougher than $2 steak, so feisty and finally got a reward for her courage.

Har-Tru
08-17-2009, 07:53 PM
I like that Slovenian bloke, what a tosser.

I'm not very patriotic but I've always loved Marta and it was damn good to see her get that gold finally and in such dominating fashion.

Is the 10,000 final now?

Action Jackson
08-17-2009, 07:54 PM
Yes, it's on now with Bekele the big fave, this will be the East African show.

Har-Tru
08-17-2009, 08:24 PM
Bekele the greatest of all time. What a beast.

And WTF was the mascot doing running next to the athletes?

Action Jackson
08-17-2009, 08:24 PM
Bekele what a machine, he was smiling in the last lap.

shadows
08-17-2009, 08:44 PM
Bekele is indomitable, what an athlete.

Shelly-Ann Fraser got such a brilliant start in that womens final, so fast over that first 40m or so! That was basically the win right there

Action Jackson
08-17-2009, 08:46 PM
Jamaica 1-2, quality stuff, the Americans not winning is a good thing. That Fraser has a booty on her, a real pocket rocket.

Kenyans to bring on the pain in the steeple tomorrow.

shadows
08-17-2009, 08:49 PM
Didn't realise quite how fast those final times were, 3rd & 5th of all time for the Jamaican ladies!

Action Jackson
08-17-2009, 08:50 PM
The Jamaican women just need to get the baton around and they could do what the guys did last year.

Purple Rainbow
08-17-2009, 09:11 PM
What a day!

Bekele is God. :worship:

I felt for Isinbayeva, though I didn't understand why she didn't proceed on 4.75 after the first failed attempt. Well, she had to lose eventually.

A lot of countries have medalled already, I like it a lot!

Purple Rainbow
08-17-2009, 09:12 PM
The Jamaican women just need to get the baton around and they could do what the guys did last year.

They'll be beyond unbeatable.
Jeter was really looking pissed after the race, btw.

Taz Warrior
08-17-2009, 09:14 PM
I felt for Isinbayeva, though I didn't understand why she didn't proceed on 4.75 after the first failed attempt. Well, she had to lose eventually.

That still would have put her 2nd behind Rogowska and I guess for an athlete like Isinbayeva it's win or nothing. Silver wouldn't have been any consolation

Taz Warrior
08-17-2009, 09:16 PM
I'm not too sure about the rules on this but Stewart clearly stepped inside Fraser's lane towards the end of the race. Although it obviously didn't impede Fraser, could she get disqualified for this?

Action Jackson
08-17-2009, 09:17 PM
They'll be beyond unbeatable.
Jeter was really looking pissed after the race, btw.

Having all the speed in the world doesn't help if they can't get the stick around. Bolt is going to have some fun in the 200m tomorrow, how far he beats them in the final could be ugly.

Isinbayeva is still crying probably.

Har-Tru
08-17-2009, 09:41 PM
I'm not too sure about the rules on this but Stewart clearly stepped inside Fraser's lane towards the end of the race. Although it obviously didn't impede Fraser, could she get disqualified for this?

If she did, she will.

Purple Rainbow
08-17-2009, 09:49 PM
If she did, she will.

Not on the 100m.
I believe you can only get DQ'ed for stepping on or over the inner line in a bend (in 200, 400 and first bend of 800).
When you step over the line in the 100m, you don't have any advantages.
I can imagine a DQ if she would have hindered Fraser, but this wasn't the case.

Har-Tru
08-17-2009, 10:25 PM
Not on the 100m.
I believe you can only get DQ'ed for stepping on or over the inner line in a bend (in 200, 400 and first bend of 800).
When you step over the line in the 100m, you don't have any advantages.
I can imagine a DQ if she would have hindered Fraser, but this wasn't the case.

oh this was the 100. my bad I didn't watch it.

I'm just puzzled about Isinbayeva... how the hell do you get from God to mug in such a short period of time??

Kolya
08-18-2009, 02:41 AM
Bekele :worship: is a legend!

So disappointed for Isinbayeva and Galkina in 3000m steeplechase :(

Action Jackson
08-18-2009, 05:14 PM
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2009/08/18/1250362070807.html

Athlete could be disqualified over gender doubts

Dan Silkstone
August 19, 2009

South African 400m (800m) sensation Caster Semenya could be ruled out of Wednesday night's Women's 800m final due to concerns about whether she is a man or a woman.

The 18-year-old has emerged in recent months as a sensation in the event and won her semi-final in commanding fashion at Berlin's Olympic Stadium on Monday night, eliminating Olympic Champion Pamela Jelimo along the way.

But the South African's physique and powerful style have sparked speculation in recent months that she may not be entirely female. Similar allegations have dogged a series of athletes throughout the years, including Maria Mutola, the Mozambican 800m legend who won Olympic gold in Sydney and also triumphed at three World Championships. IAAF rules state that ompetitors must be entirely female to compete in women's races but some people are born with a mixutre of chromsomes and display both male and female characteristics.

The Age understands that governing body, the IAAF, has been conducting a series of tests on the South African, including physical checks and genetic screening and that results have now been obtained.

Officials are meeting to discuss the matter this afternoon, German time, and there is a strong likelihood that the teenager from Pretoria will be disqualified from the final, to be held tonight.Semenya has come form nowhere this year to stamp herself upon the sport. She grabbed attention with a time of 1:56.72 last month, the quickest time in the world this year.

Another memorable case of gender confusion is Stella Walsh, the Polish sprinter who won a silver medal at the 1936 Olympics in the very same stadium where Semenya is commpeting tomorrow. Walsh was a commanding figure who also won Olympic gold in Los Angeles in 1932 but when doctors examined her after her death in 1988 it was revealed that she had "ambiguous genitalia'' and was more male than female.

Taz Warrior
08-18-2009, 06:39 PM
Sanya Richards finally gets it right when it counts :yeah:

Ditto Philips Idowu :D

Har-Tru
08-18-2009, 06:46 PM
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2009/08/18/1250362070807.html

Athlete could be disqualified over gender doubts

Dan Silkstone
August 19, 2009

South African 400m (800m) sensation Caster Semenya could be ruled out of Wednesday night's Women's 800m final due to concerns about whether she is a man or a woman.

The 18-year-old has emerged in recent months as a sensation in the event and won her semi-final in commanding fashion at Berlin's Olympic Stadium on Monday night, eliminating Olympic Champion Pamela Jelimo along the way.

But the South African's physique and powerful style have sparked speculation in recent months that she may not be entirely female. Similar allegations have dogged a series of athletes throughout the years, including Maria Mutola, the Mozambican 800m legend who won Olympic gold in Sydney and also triumphed at three World Championships. IAAF rules state that ompetitors must be entirely female to compete in women's races but some people are born with a mixutre of chromsomes and display both male and female characteristics.

The Age understands that governing body, the IAAF, has been conducting a series of tests on the South African, including physical checks and genetic screening and that results have now been obtained.

Officials are meeting to discuss the matter this afternoon, German time, and there is a strong likelihood that the teenager from Pretoria will be disqualified from the final, to be held tonight.Semenya has come form nowhere this year to stamp herself upon the sport. She grabbed attention with a time of 1:56.72 last month, the quickest time in the world this year.

Another memorable case of gender confusion is Stella Walsh, the Polish sprinter who won a silver medal at the 1936 Olympics in the very same stadium where Semenya is commpeting tomorrow. Walsh was a commanding figure who also won Olympic gold in Los Angeles in 1932 but when doctors examined her after her death in 1988 it was revealed that she had "ambiguous genitalia'' and was more male than female.

what about the athletes from the DDR in the 70s and 80s? they were given massive amounts of male hormones, some of them had a sex change operation even. Seom of those records will never be broken.

Action Jackson
08-18-2009, 07:02 PM
The Frenchie was brave in that steeplechase, excellent race and good that Koech made it a tough and fast race, good stuff from Kemboi.

The Kenyans handing out the pain in the steeple as predictable as death.

fabolous
08-18-2009, 08:21 PM
steffi nerius with the unexpected victory, that was huge for the crowd. :yeah:

idowu gets the price for the best haircut ever. looks like a santa clause cap :lol:

Action Jackson
08-18-2009, 08:22 PM
Steffi was crying before her last throw, good win for her and now she can retire on top.

Idowu and the mascot would be a perfect partnership.

Jelena
08-18-2009, 10:05 PM
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/media/ALeqM5jKfTx-0dBYqgkqNPwxirfd0wO5qw?size=l

Thank you Steffi for 16 years of nerve-cracking competitions!

:wavey:

Kolya
08-19-2009, 11:42 AM
Kemboi has now won the Olympics, Worlds and Commonwealth.

:worship:

fabolous
08-19-2009, 08:39 PM
hahahaha semenya absolutely crushed the field in the 800 m.

the gender test will be more difficult to pass for her.

Lleyton_
08-19-2009, 08:41 PM
That is not a woman!

Action Jackson
08-19-2009, 08:55 PM
Semenya made them look so bad and average, wonder if the crowd will cheer her.

Purple Rainbow
08-19-2009, 09:06 PM
What cruel parents name their son "Brent Newdick"?
He's competing in the decathlon...

Purple Rainbow
08-19-2009, 09:08 PM
hahahaha semenya absolutely crushed the field in the 800 m.

the gender test will be more difficult to pass for her.

She could become the Mutola of a new generation.

Har-Tru
08-19-2009, 09:10 PM
Semenya made them look so bad and average, wonder if the crowd will cheer her him.

Fixed.

Action Jackson
08-19-2009, 09:27 PM
She could become the Mutola of a new generation.

Mutola is a model compared to her.

Grinder
08-19-2009, 11:50 PM
That is not a woman. :lol:

I wonder if his/her last name is any indication of what's being stored down there.

00923
08-20-2009, 08:02 AM
That is not a woman. :lol:

I wonder if his/her last name is any indication of what's being stored down there.

I try not to be the arbiter of what another woman "should" look like, but he/she just does not look the least bit feminine to me. Since he/she was the sole focus of the cameramen, I figured it was the Men's 800m, only to see he/she surrounded by women. Yikes. I'm curious to see how this will all pan out....

Kolya
08-20-2009, 08:52 AM
:haha: Semenya.

rocketassist
08-20-2009, 03:43 PM
Anyone who has had their cock bitten off can have Semenya's penis.

Nathaliia
08-20-2009, 04:08 PM
I am in the US right now and I have a TV, do you know the channel and hours of the coverage? ESPN? Whenever I turn it on they show some shit baseball or whatever it is.

shadows
08-20-2009, 07:31 PM
Jamaica having one hell of a championships. Very impressive 400m hurdles from Melaine Walker

The BBC team have all just struck the Bolt archer pose prior to a little bit of footage of him building up to the 200m final, I can't stop laughing

shadows
08-20-2009, 07:37 PM
Usain Bolt

is a

very very

fast

man

19.19, ridiculous

00923
08-20-2009, 07:39 PM
Well, that was even more impressive than the 100m as far as I'm concerned.

fabolous
08-20-2009, 07:40 PM
thunder bolt strikes again :worship:

this man never disappoints us. hope to see him in 400 m next year.

00923
08-20-2009, 07:42 PM
I am in the US right now and I have a TV, do you know the channel and hours of the coverage? ESPN? Whenever I turn it on they show some shit baseball or whatever it is.

It's airing now on VS.

anon57
08-20-2009, 07:49 PM
:bolt::worship:Thunderbolt from another planet

shadows
08-20-2009, 08:12 PM
Blanka <3333

Har-Tru
08-20-2009, 08:21 PM
Bolt. :eek:

Taz Warrior
08-20-2009, 08:25 PM
:speakles: Great night

Action Jackson
08-20-2009, 08:29 PM
The great Bolt does it again and the womens 400m hurdles, second fastest ever time.

marina36
08-20-2009, 09:24 PM
Bolt is a monster!!!!

SwiSha
08-20-2009, 09:27 PM
just came home from the Olympic stadium

Bolt is a bad mothafucka... dude is sick

sykotique
08-20-2009, 09:59 PM
Ryan Brathwaite! Barbados REPRESENT!

Taz Warrior
08-20-2009, 10:01 PM
Bit disapponted in Friedrich tonight but just love watching her jump.

Vlasic was completely determined to win today.

SwiSha
08-20-2009, 10:36 PM
Friedrich is a clown imo

ClaudiuS
08-20-2009, 11:18 PM
Robert Harting's celebration after Malachowski's last attempt was so damn funny :lol: poor mascott.

nDQVsPTr8bo

Byrd
08-20-2009, 11:30 PM
Bolt needs to be tested to see if he's from this planet, fucker killed the field.

Marine
08-20-2009, 11:52 PM
The final Friedrich /Vlasic was just amazing ! And this silence in the stadium when friedrich was jumping... I loved !

I don't know what to think about Bolt. At first he's TOO fast. Secondly, he looks arrogant to me. Everybody seems to love his decontraction, well... I don't like that much his way to behave a front of the cams.

adee-gee
08-21-2009, 12:18 AM
Bolt is single handedly making athletics interesting again.

Just incredible. I'm not sure these records will be broken again in my lifetime by anyone other than him, even with advances in technology.





Btw, did anyone see Melaine Walker with the bear when he ran into the hurdles? :spit:

Black Adam
08-21-2009, 12:46 AM
The final Friedrich /Vlasic was just amazing ! And this silence in the stadium when friedrich was jumping... I loved !

I don't know what to think about Bolt. At first he's TOO fast.
Only losers believe there is such a thing as being too fast. That kind of mentality is what slows down human progress. We should be lauding such efforts instead of whining that someone's too good. It's the others who have to speed up, not the other way:rolleyes::o You FAIL. The Sky is not even the limit.

Secondly, he looks arrogant to me. Everybody seems to love his decontraction, well... I don't like that much his way to behave a front of the cams.
You are being typically uptight as Jacques Rogge who was annoyed by the guy who is single handedly bringing back interest to AThletics as a whole. Arrogance is largely acceptable when you mowing down the competition with astonishing ease. Besides when was the last time you saw a Sprinter who wasn't cocky? Even Blanka was acting "Bolt like" today and that's acceptable because she is the best out there.


I love these Mascotts and the way they interact with athletes. Especially the one with Bolt doing the Thunderbolt symbol and the one who fell with Melaine Walker :haha::rolls: Hope we have them in London 2012.

Action Jackson
08-21-2009, 07:49 AM
The mascot is hilarious and is good entertainment, especially with Harting.

As for Bolt, he was that good when he was 15.

Lopez
08-21-2009, 07:56 AM
The mascot is hilarious and is good entertainment, especially with Harting.

As for Bolt, he was that good when he was 15.

Yeah and it's not like Bolt's running were based on raw power and muscle (like Ben Johnson's). His results are based on his amazing technique and the biomechanics of his running style (and naturally by some stuff given in birth, like his height and the amount of "fast" muscle cells), those you can't really improve with doping.

Kolya
08-21-2009, 08:52 AM
He is doped on chicken mcnuggets.

50 km walk today woohoo! :rocker:

Action Jackson
08-21-2009, 09:57 AM
Yeah and it's not like Bolt's running were based on raw power and muscle (like Ben Johnson's). His results are based on his amazing technique and the biomechanics of his running style (and naturally by some stuff given in birth, like his height and the amount of "fast" muscle cells), those you can't really improve with doping.

His old man is tall, so that is where he gets it from. He still has a way to go to improve technically, then again look at Ato Boldon, he was almost perfect technically, but he didn't get many majors.

As for doping, well the questions are going to be asked and that isn't a surprise.

Taz Warrior
08-21-2009, 12:12 PM
His old man is tall, so that is where he gets it from. He still has a way to go to improve technically, then again look at Ato Boldon, he was almost perfect technically, but he didn't get many majors.


Yeah, I really expected Boldon to dominate the sprints at one point but it never seemed to happen for him for some reason.

Kolya
08-21-2009, 12:41 PM
Sergey Kirdyapkin wins the 50 km walk in convincing fashion.

Russians take the trifecta in the walks.

shadows
08-21-2009, 06:07 PM
Good Lord, that's an awful lot of rain!

Action Jackson
08-21-2009, 09:26 PM
Mens low jump was a shocker Rybakov winning with 2.32, that is clownish for sure.

This event gets worse, good for the Cypriot getting a silver and the young Pole huge effort.

Har-Tru
08-21-2009, 11:56 PM
Semenya in his/her school years, dresse as a boy (second from the left).

http://www.elpais.com/recorte/20090821elpepudep_15/XLCO/Ies/20090821elpepudep_15.jpg

Kournikovaism
08-22-2009, 12:30 AM
I feel so bad for Semanya, because even if she is intersex I still don't believe she knows and is deliberatly attempting to cheat.

Many other athletes have looked like men, did Mutola ever get gender tested.

Har-Tru
08-22-2009, 01:00 AM
why is she dressed like a man then?

Kournikovaism
08-22-2009, 01:45 AM
Maybe it was optional, a girl's school I know permits girls to wear skirts oe trousers./

Kolya
08-22-2009, 03:07 AM
Mens low jump was a shocker Rybakov winning with 2.32, that is clownish for sure.

This event gets worse, good for the Cypriot getting a silver and the young Pole huge effort.

Got to love Rybakov's mullet :lol: Good to see him win a major championship even with 2.32m.

The Cypriot is a pretty good major championship performer besides Beijing last year.

But I reckon Silnov would have demolished this field.

ClaudiuS
08-22-2009, 06:29 AM
Btw, did anyone see Melaine Walker with the bear when he ran into the hurdles? :spit:

:haha:

-Vj9rQsj4ow

Kolya
08-22-2009, 02:14 PM
Kenyans winning the marathon now ever since 2007... not a good sign for the rest of the world.

buddyholly
08-22-2009, 02:27 PM
Wow, 3 times in a 2-year time interval. That's like, eternity.

Caio_Brasil
08-22-2009, 02:34 PM
Mens low jump was a shocker Rybakov winning with 2.32, that is clownish for sure.

This event gets worse, good for the Cypriot getting a silver and the young Pole huge effort.

Don't have much knowledge in Athletics and I see they didn't have good marks, but I thought this was a pretty exciting event really.

Gotta love Bednarek's reactions :yeah:

Zirconek
08-22-2009, 03:04 PM
Nice podium in low jump, but I'd like Bába and the guy from Botswana there.

Action Jackson
08-22-2009, 03:07 PM
Nice podium in low jump, but I'd like Bába and the guy from Botswana there.

You can't jump 2.32, don't deserve to be anywhere near a podium, only to clean it.

The one in Helsinki well that was a swimming pool, but fuck Partyka must be pissed off, he was jumping 2.37 and not getting gold.

Bolar Bolabi
08-22-2009, 03:17 PM
How bad is Hooker's injury?

Action Jackson
08-22-2009, 03:18 PM
I wouldn't bet on the guy Bolar. He said the vaulting part is fine, it's the running that is the problem.

Bolar Bolabi
08-22-2009, 03:21 PM
Steve Hooker to have injection before pole vault final in Berlin

August 22, 2009 .Courageous Steve Hooker will have a painkilling injection before taking an all or nothing approach into the final of the men's pole vault at the world athletics championships.

A torn thigh muscle meant Hooker was only able to have one jump in the qualifying round, but that was enough to soar over at 5.65m and book his berth in the final on Sunday morning (AEST).

The Australian will adopt similar tactics in the final.

"If he jumped 5.85 on one jump that's probably going to be good enough for a medal,'' said Australia head coach Eric Hollingsworth.

"And for Steve, given what's been going on in the last couple of weeks, he would be happy with that.

"And if the French guy (Renaud Lavillenie) goes and jumps six metres, there's no need for heroics. Steve's positive.

"At the end of the day, I think he surprised himself with the 5.65.

"It's obviously something he doesn't do on a regular basis, so being able to have that kind of ability to jump off no warm-up means he knows he can do it.

"And the jump was big enough basically for a 5.85, if we repeat the same process tomorrow."

The nature of the injury has changed in the last 24 hours, with Hooker now suffering pain from a neural problem in the upper quad in his right leg, an issue that can be masked with a local anaesthetic.

"I don't think it will be a performance inhibitor," said Hollingsworth.

"I think it's the pain that's the major issue.

"If we can get the local anaesthetic and get the neural block going then we might even be able to get more than one jump out of Steve."

Hooker, 27, tops the world rankings in 2009, having jumped 6.06m indoors in Boston in February. Lavillenie's PB is 6.01m.

The Australian team captain tore the adductor muscle in his right leg 11 days ago.

----

I guess it all hinges on how high that French guy jumps.

Bolar Bolabi
08-22-2009, 03:21 PM
I wouldn't bet on the guy Bolar. He said the vaulting part is fine, it's the running that is the problem.

I would if I could bet live into the last jump if that French guy isn't looking that good!

Action Jackson
08-22-2009, 03:23 PM
Renaud Lavillenie is French, therefore he will choke.

Bolar Bolabi
08-22-2009, 03:27 PM
hahaha you could be right!

who jumped the highest before the finals? hooker clearing that jump with his fucked up leg was a good jump.

Action Jackson
08-22-2009, 03:29 PM
Hooker has the best vault this year.

Kolya
08-22-2009, 04:20 PM
Pole vault = Unpredictable.

Ever since Bubka and Tarasov retired.

Jelena
08-22-2009, 04:37 PM
who jumped the highest before the finals? hooker clearing that jump with his fucked up leg was a good jump.
Lavillenie with 6,01m

Zirconek
08-22-2009, 04:43 PM
You can't jump 2.32, don't deserve to be anywhere near a podium, only to clean it.

The one in Helsinki well that was a swimming pool, but fuck Partyka must be pissed off, he was jumping 2.37 and not getting gold.

Sure, Bába even qualified with 2.27, but he can jump higher and his last jump was very close to clear. You could see the Janku family in the stands couldn't believe he missed his last jump. The guy from Botswana, qualified with 2.30, was the first eliminated in the final and the guy/girl from iaaf blog said he at least wouldn't misspell his name again. BTW, "the guy from Botswana" is Kabelo Kgosiemang (I was too lazy to look for his name when I first posted).

Sottomayor should come out from retirement and win all the competitions :p

Action Jackson
08-22-2009, 04:43 PM
Lavillenie with 6,01m

Hooker vaulted 6,06m this year.

Action Jackson
08-22-2009, 04:46 PM
Sure, Bába even qualified with 2.27, but he can jump higher and his last jump was very close to clear. You could see the Janku family in the stands couldn't believe he missed his last jump. The guy from Botswana, qualified with 2.30, was the first eliminated in the final and the guy/girl from iaaf blog said he at least wouldn't misspell his name again. BTW, "the guy from Botswana" is Kabelo Kgosiemang (I was too lazy to look for his name when I first posted).

Sottomayor should come out from retirement and win all the competitions :p

Qualifying jumps, only there to make the final, that is all that counts. Red Bull Ukhov jumps well with a roof, but doesn't get close to going over at 2.32, it was like watching womens Futures qualifying.

Zirconek
08-22-2009, 04:50 PM
Vlasic to compete with the guys soon :p

Jelena
08-22-2009, 04:51 PM
Hooker vaulted 6,06m this year.
According to the WC's website it's the Frenchie with 6,01. :shrug:

Action Jackson
08-22-2009, 04:53 PM
According to the WC's website it's the Frenchie with 6,01. :shrug:

Try that.

http://berlin.iaaf.org/results/racedate=08-22-2009/sex=M/discCode=PV/combCode=hash/roundCode=f/startlist.html#detM_PV_hash_f

Taz Warrior
08-22-2009, 04:54 PM
Even worse than the winning height was that only 4 guys jumped higher than 2.23 :o

Kolya
08-22-2009, 04:54 PM
Hooker is definitely No. 1 this year.

6.06m is the 2nd highest vault ever by a person other than Bubka.

Action Jackson
08-22-2009, 04:56 PM
Even worse than the winning height was that only 4 guys jumped higher than 2.23 :o

The womens event is decent standard and has been for a while, but the mens low jump have been crap, a wading pool has more depth than the mens low jump.

Jelena
08-22-2009, 04:59 PM
Try that.

http://berlin.iaaf.org/results/racedate=08-22-2009/sex=M/discCode=PV/combCode=hash/roundCode=f/startlist.html#detM_PV_hash_f
WL: 6.01 Renaud LAVILLENIE (FRA) Leiria - 21 Jun 2009


:shrug: this is also taken from the WC's site, appearing when you go on the live thing with the start list.

Action Jackson
08-22-2009, 05:02 PM
Hooker did 6.06 this year, therefore it's the highest of the year.

Jelena
08-22-2009, 05:03 PM
Hooker did 6.06 this year, therefore it's the highest of the year.
Did I doubt that?? I only showed with the second post where I have my 6,01m from. :rolleyes:

Action Jackson
08-22-2009, 05:49 PM
The American men and women fail to complete the course in the relays, well the women failed, but the guys got D'qd.

Taz Warrior
08-22-2009, 06:06 PM
Saladino :o :eek:

Action Jackson
08-22-2009, 06:11 PM
Saladino, the guy who does the business in championships fucked up and failed to register a jump.

Nedved Rosicky
08-22-2009, 07:02 PM
Włodarczyk WR 77.96 :eek:

Action Jackson
08-22-2009, 07:03 PM
WR to Wlodarczyk in the womens hammer.

LinkMage
08-22-2009, 07:06 PM
What time does Usain Bolt run?

Taz Warrior
08-22-2009, 07:17 PM
Włodarczyk WR 77.96 :eek:

WR to Wlodarczyk in the womens hammer.

Good to see Lysenko's record go :yeah:

Taz Warrior
08-22-2009, 07:19 PM
What time does Usain Bolt run?

In about half an hour :)

Nidhogg
08-22-2009, 07:30 PM
Steven Hooker, you LEGEND!

Nidhogg
08-22-2009, 07:48 PM
The spirit of a champion. Amazing.

shadows
08-22-2009, 07:52 PM
What a beast Hooker is

Action Jackson
08-22-2009, 07:59 PM
Steve Hooker is a warrior and very down to earth as well, the guy is in pain and got the job done.

Good shit by the Trinis in the relay. Jamaicans were never going to break the WR as Mullings isn't that good over 100m, they lost their 4th runner, well he was cleared to run, but wasn't named.

Nidhogg
08-22-2009, 08:00 PM
And the Caribbean rules the sprint roost. No WR for Jamaica on the short relay, but the gold was never in doubt. Great to see Powell finish it in style.

Kournikovaism
08-22-2009, 08:14 PM
Good to see Lysenko's record go :yeah:

Yes but why does nobody doubt the new record.

In theory drug assisted records shouldn't be beaten, like Women's 100m.

Marine
08-22-2009, 08:29 PM
Steve Hooker is a warrior and very down to earth as well, the guy is in pain and got the job done.


It proves he was not that much injured, but congrats to him. Great challenge.
I'm disapointed for the frenchies. I loooove Romain Mesnil. :drool:

Action Jackson
08-22-2009, 08:45 PM
It proves he was not that much injured, but congrats to him. Great challenge.
I'm disapointed for the frenchies. I loooove Romain Mesnil. :drool:

He had pain killing injections, if he wasn't in pain, then he wouldn't need them.

Taz Warrior
08-22-2009, 08:45 PM
Yes but why does nobody doubt the new record.

In theory drug assisted records shouldn't be beaten, like Women's 100m.

Call me naive but I prefer to believe the athlete is clean until proven otherwise :shrug:

ATM I have no reason to suspect Wlodarczyk of anything. If I was suspicious everytime a record is broken then there'd be no point in following the sport.

Nidhogg
08-22-2009, 08:56 PM
It proves he was not that much injured

Why would he then not enter the final til the bar was up at 5.85? He looked to be in serious pain after his jump in the qualifying round, and today he knew his thigh wouldn't hold up for too many jumps.

Claiming the gold only doing three jumps in total counting both qualies and the final is mighty. Especially in contrast to his countless number of jumps in Beijing last year. ;)

Kournikovaism
08-22-2009, 09:19 PM
Call me naive but I prefer to believe the athlete is clean until proven otherwise :shrug:

ATM I have no reason to suspect Wlodarczyk of anything. If I was suspicious everytime a record is broken then there'd be no point in following the sport.

I am the same, I wasn't really critizing that, I just always give drug user second chances so I unless they get a lifetime ban I don't like critizing them.

Zirconek
08-22-2009, 11:46 PM
Yes but why does nobody doubt the new record.

In theory drug assisted records shouldn't be beaten, like Women's 100m.

Women's hammer throw and pole vault were introduced to official competition in the 90's, so that's why so many records are broken in both events (they are still recent and hapenned after better doping control than in earlier decades). This way I'm not surprised and also I fully agree with what Gavnich77 said.

Kolya
08-23-2009, 02:18 AM
According to the WC's website it's the Frenchie with 6,01. :shrug:

I know why.

Hooker's 6.06m was indoors.

6.01m must be from outdoors.

But now they count indoor and outdoor together which is stupid.

Nathaliia
08-23-2009, 03:16 AM
Yay for Poland in the champs! :D

I was at the airport in Berlin on the night with the pole vault competition and I saw the vaults of some Finnish woman and two coaches around, so I came up and asked for the Polish chicks, they said "gold and silver" and I was like "yeah, sure, good joke" :lol:

bad gambler
08-23-2009, 03:42 AM
Great stuff from Steve Hooker. Got some balls on him

Nidhogg
08-23-2009, 01:09 PM
http://svtplay.se/v/1663489/skadad_steven_hooker_fixade_guldet

Kolya
08-23-2009, 01:11 PM
Bai wins the women's marathon.

Pretty exciting finish for a marathon.

Action Jackson
08-23-2009, 04:08 PM
Womens 1500m, Rodriguez will have to get disqualified for that and poor Burka getting assaulted.

JMG
08-23-2009, 04:08 PM
Spanish bitch.

Taz Warrior
08-23-2009, 04:11 PM
No way that Rodriguez can keep that win. Great to see Lisa Dobriskey get a bronze medal which should get upgraded to a silver :yeah:

She's one of the nicest athletes around and could have won the Olympics last year but she got her tactics completely wrong and finished fourth.

Kolya
08-23-2009, 04:22 PM
Bekele :worship:

Too bad he's in the shadow of the media hyped Usain Bolt. Not that he doesn't deserve it.

Please let Borzakovskiy win!!! Win!!!

Kournikovaism
08-23-2009, 04:26 PM
Please let Borzakovskiy win!!! Win!!!

I hope he wins too :) :) :)

Action Jackson
08-23-2009, 04:31 PM
Great shit Muladzi for having the balls to run from the front, a bit slow for my liking, but good result.

Action Jackson
08-23-2009, 04:31 PM
Please let Borzakovskiy win!!! Win!!!

The circus clown.

Kolya
08-23-2009, 04:33 PM
Ridiculous.

Kournikovaism
08-23-2009, 04:33 PM
I am sick at how poor Europe is at track at the moment. I'm fed up looking at Africans and North Americans win :mad:

Like Russia have only done well at the Walk and most other European countries haven't featured at all.

Jelena
08-23-2009, 04:49 PM
:yippee: Thorkildsen

Kournikovaism
08-23-2009, 04:53 PM
:yippee: Thorkildsen
He is so sexy :hearts:

Action Jackson
08-23-2009, 04:58 PM
I am sick at how poor Europe is at track at the moment. I'm fed up looking at Africans and North Americans win :mad:

Like Russia have only done well at the Walk and most other European countries haven't featured at all.

http://www.abrsm.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/violin.gif
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Action Jackson
08-23-2009, 05:03 PM
Pitkämaki had some injury problems, but Thorklidsen performs at the major event, did it by 3m.

Kournikovaism
08-23-2009, 05:12 PM
WTF was Krivoshapka doing :bigcry:

Action Jackson
08-23-2009, 05:39 PM
The Jamaicans really excelled in these champs, the Trinis, Bahamas, Barbados getting a gold, the Cubans weren't as good.

The Poles and the Aussies did very well.

Jelena
08-23-2009, 05:41 PM
The Jamaicans really excelled in these champs, the Trinis, Bahamas, Barbados getting a gold, the Cubans weren't as good.

The Poles and the Aussies did very well.
The Germany also did well, comparing to the one bronze medal they made in Olympics.

Har-Tru
08-23-2009, 07:31 PM
What a tackle by Rodriguez, fair default.

Har-Tru
08-23-2009, 07:32 PM
Question: would she be disqualified anyway for stepping on the grass outside the track or are there some exceptions to this?

Kournikovaism
08-23-2009, 07:48 PM
I dont think so if you are boxed in and forced to step inside. It only applies if you deliberatly step in.

I think thats the case anyway.

Har-Tru
08-23-2009, 07:55 PM
I dont think so if you are boxed in and forced to step inside. It only applies if you deliberatly step in.

I think thats the case anyway.

thx. :yeah:

LOL I just saw the replay and after the race the other Spaniard told Rodriguez "What exactly were you thinking about???".

Taz Warrior
08-23-2009, 07:56 PM
USA dominating the 4 x 4 relays :yawn:

Bilbo
08-23-2009, 07:58 PM
Berlino was the real star of these championships :worship:

Kournikovaism
08-23-2009, 08:22 PM
Berlino is a legend :) :)

Purple Rainbow
08-23-2009, 09:25 PM
USA dominating the 4 x 4 relays :yawn:

I never understand why athletic events have to end with the 4*400 relays.
They are highly prdictable and a bit of an anti-climax to a great tournament. I am convinced that both the USA men and women can run against a relay team comprising the best 400m runners of the rest of the world and still win handily.

Purple Rainbow
08-23-2009, 09:27 PM
Berlino was the real star of these championships :worship:

Ich bin ein Berlino!! :worship:

http://www.pumarunning.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/ich-bin.jpg

Kournikovaism
08-23-2009, 09:27 PM
Relays can be extremly dramatic but I think 4x100 should end the games as they are more exciting than 4X400.

Bilbo
08-23-2009, 09:32 PM
i think the mens marathon should end it

Kournikovaism
08-23-2009, 09:37 PM
Marathon's are yawnfests imo.

Har-Tru
08-23-2009, 09:47 PM
i think the mens marathon should end it

this

Kolya
08-24-2009, 01:53 AM
Great WC. Congratulations to the organisers in Berlin.

Now it is time to see who's doped and who's not! :p

Action Jackson
08-24-2009, 07:57 AM
i think the mens marathon should end it

Would be a good move.

Taz Warrior
08-24-2009, 10:08 AM
Probably one of the best World Champs for a while - since Gothenburg 95 perhaps :shrug:

There were quite a few high quality events with some competitive action too :yeah:

Action Jackson
08-24-2009, 10:15 AM
There were quite a few high quality events with some competitive action too :yeah:

Mens high jump was brilliant.

dusan1610
08-24-2009, 10:18 AM
Congrats for Bolt. 3 gold medals...and great WC!

Kournikovaism
08-24-2009, 03:34 PM
Probably one of the best World Champs for a while - since Gothenburg 95 perhaps :shrug:

There were quite a few high quality events with some competitive action too :yeah:

Gothenburg was the best ever, the Women's 5000m :worship::worship::worship::worship::worship:

goatian
08-27-2009, 03:36 PM
SEMENya has been found to be three times more tetosteronned than your average woman.

Expected one.

Kolya
08-28-2009, 03:16 AM
Is it naturally higher?

Taz Warrior
08-28-2009, 10:02 AM
Gothenburg was the best ever, the Women's 5000m :worship::worship::worship::worship::worship:

Both triple jumps with Jonathan Edwards and Inessa Kravets setting WRs that still stand today :worship:

Nedved Rosicky
08-28-2009, 08:36 PM
Isinbayeva WR 5.06 in Zürich

Zirconek
08-28-2009, 09:16 PM
and Bolt partied too much and made the 100m in only 9.81s :p Asafa Powell was second with 9.88s

Kolya
08-29-2009, 03:32 AM
Bekele :worship:

bad gambler
08-29-2009, 03:38 AM
Isinbayeva WR 5.06 in Zürich

Way to perform when it counts the least

Kournikovaism
08-29-2009, 04:12 AM
Way to perform when it counts the least

yeah one time she doesn't win a major champ and suddenly she is a choker :rolleyes:

Kolya
08-29-2009, 04:14 AM
Well at least she isn't like Bubka who chokes at the Olympics but wins the WC :p

Action Jackson
08-29-2009, 05:35 AM
Way to perform when it counts the least

She got too cocky and got punished for it in Berlin.

bad gambler
08-29-2009, 07:45 AM
yeah one time she doesn't win a major champ and suddenly she is a choker :rolleyes:

My post was in direct reference to her performance last week. No denying her performances in major meets over her career.

fast_clay
08-29-2009, 11:32 AM
what is the IAAF stance on hermaphrodites...?

Nedved Rosicky
09-01-2009, 02:35 AM
http://sports.yahoo.com/olympics/beijing/track_field/news?slug=reu-prizvlasic&prov=reuters&type=lgns

Vlasic leaps into second place on all time list

ZAGREB, Aug 31 (Reuters) - World high jump champion Blanka Vlasic leaped into equal second place on the women’s all-time list when she cleared 2.08 metres at the Zagreb Grand Prix on Monday.

Vlasic, who retained her world title in Berlin this month, cleared the bar effortlessly at the first attempt before failing to break the world record of 2.09 set by Stefka Kostadinova at the 1987 Rome world championships. Kostadinova has also jumped 2.08.

The 25-year old from Croatia’s coastal resort of Split said she was confident she had plenty of time to better the Romania’s 22-year-old record.

“There will be many more opportunities to set a new world record, I now want to enjoy myself and look forward to what should be a very bright future,” she told Croatian television.

“I have felt for a while that I can reach great heights, higher than the 2.05 mark I cleared in Berlin and even higher than today’s achievement, which is nonetheless fantastic.”

“It’s a great feeling, the conditions were perfect this evening and the crowd was absolutely fantastic.”

“I am still overwhelmed with my world championship success but this is a very special moment and it will give me even more confidence to carry on.”

Taz Warrior
09-01-2009, 02:38 PM
Vlasic - sooo close

Action Jackson
09-01-2009, 02:42 PM
Kostadinova is Bulgarian.

Bilbo
09-01-2009, 03:25 PM
glad vlasic didn't make it

Kolya
09-03-2009, 04:12 PM
I am also glad for some reason even though I don't care for women's high jump :lol:

shmeeko69
09-03-2009, 04:24 PM
It turn's out after several test's & probing Semenya is a shemale !

Mark :wavey:

Purple Rainbow
09-03-2009, 06:32 PM
Bekele vs Bolt showdown?

Bolt vs. Bekele at 700 meters?

Sprinter Usain Bolt and long-distance runner Kenenisa Bekele are both unbeatable over their distance. So, why not have them race against each other somewhere in between?

"If Usain agrees, if someone wants to organize this, I am ready," Bekele said Thursday, a day before the Memorial Van Damme Golden League meet.

Bolt, of Jamaica, is the reigning world and Olympic champion and world record-holder over 100 and 200 meters. Bekele, of Ethiopia, is the reigning world and Olympic champion and world record-holder over 5,000 and 10,000 meters.

The idea would be to find a middle ground, somewhere between 600 and 800 meters.

"I think I am pretty good at 600 meters," Bolt said last week. Above 800 meters, he said, "I have no chance."

Bekele also thinks the two could meet around that distance.

"Six-hundred meters is a good chance for him," said Bekele, considering he would lose too much over the first lap. "I need some 800 meters, maybe 700 meters."

Any Bolt-Bekele showdown would be the biggest such match race since 200 and 400 Olympic champion Michael Johnson raced 100 champion Donovan Bailey over 150 meters in Toronto after the 1996 Atlanta Games. Johnson pulled up lame halfway through that race and the legacy of the event is more of a joke than anything else.

Bekele's manager, Jos Hermens, realizes that Bolt dominates the sport to such an extent that even a superlative performance like Bekele's 5,000-10,000 double at the Olympics and worlds became merely a footnote.

"I will have to think about it this winter," said Hermens of a potential matchup. "I will have to take it up with Ricky Simms," the manager of Bolt.

Bekele is often left frustrated because his performances rarely get the merit they deserve. He is still chasing the worldwide acclaim his compatriot Haile Gebrselassie already has.

It stands in sharp contrast with Bolt, whose showmanship and stunning performances have made him one of the most marketable athletes in any sport.

When it comes to official performances, the two get no closer than the 400 for Bolt and the 1,500 for Bekele.

Bekele set a personal best of 3 minutes, 32.35 over 1,500 two years ago, a time that would make him the 13th best performer of 2009. Bolt's top mark over 400 is 45.28 in 2007, which would be the 28th fastest time of this year.



I don't think Bolt would want to run a 700m race, still an interesting prospect!

Kolya
09-04-2009, 03:30 AM
I would love to see both of them race.

Bekele = Bolt in dominance.

Kolya
09-05-2009, 03:06 AM
Isinbayeva, Richards and Bekele share the $1 million.

Jelena
09-05-2009, 02:42 PM
Blake and compamy plead guilty to banned stimulants (http://www.trackalerts.com/?p=3054)

Kolya
09-08-2009, 02:48 AM
Never knew there was a World mountain running championship :lol:

Kolya
09-11-2009, 07:26 AM
A source close to the IAAF reported that scans and examinations have revealed that Semenya is intersexed, and is biologically a hermaphrodite. She possesses internal testes, and thus produces three times more testosterone than women, and has no womb or ovaries.

Jelena
09-11-2009, 09:25 AM
Report claims 800m world champion Caster Semenya is a hermaphrodite (http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2009/sep/10/caster-semenya-hermaphrodite-iaaf-test)

Nidhogg
09-11-2009, 01:23 PM
The people who rallied to her defense after she got home to SA, saying stuff like "Nobody touch our girl!", just after the tests showing her abnormal testosterone levels came out, gave me a good laugh.

R.Federer
09-11-2009, 07:00 PM
So, there is no deliberate cheating. It's so unfortunate that s/he has been outted like this. I hope s/he survives it. (Sorry about the s/he-ing. I am not sure what the appropriate way is to address the gender)



IAAF urges caution over Semenya intersex claims

<LI class=cnnhiliteheader>Story Highlights
South African Sports Minister "shocked and disgusted" at Semenya treatment
Sydney Morning Herald reports tests have revealed athlete's internal testes
South Africa team manager maintains Semenya is female
Semenya won the 800-meters gold at the World Athletics Championships
(CNN) -- The international governing body for athletics urged caution Friday after reports that the world-champion South African runner Caster Semenya has both male and female organs.
The Sydney Morning Herald in Australia and The Sun newspaper in Britain reported that gender tests ordered by the International Association of Athletics Federations (IAAF) show the 18-year-old is a hermaphrodite.
Neither paper named the source of their information. IAAF spokesman Nick Davies would not discuss the findings with CNN. "I simply haven't seen the results," Davies said.
"We have received the results from Germany, but they now need to be examined by a group of experts and we will not be in a position to speak to the athlete about them for at least a few weeks.
"After that, depending on the results, we will meet privately with the athlete to discuss further action." Has Semenya been treated fairly? (http://www.cnn.com/2009/SPORT/09/11/athletics.semenya.gender.iaaf/index.html#soundoff)
The IAAF issued a statement, saying no decision on the case will be announced until the experts can look at the results.
A final decision regarding the case is not expected before the IAAF Council meets in late November in Monaco, the IAAF (http://topics.cnn.com/topics/IAAF_Council) said.
Davies also said the news reports should be treated with caution. The newspapers said extensive physical examinations of Semenya show she has no ovaries, but rather has internal testes, which are producing large amounts of testosterone. What is intersexuality? (http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/08/20/gender.athlete.intersex/index.html)
Semenya won the women's 800-meters gold medal at the World Athletics Championships in Berlin last month.
She crushed her rivals by streaking away to secure victory in 1 minute, 55.45 seconds -- the best women's time in the world this year.
Defending champion Janeth Jepkosgei of Kenya took the silver and Jennifer Meadows of Britain claimed bronze.
The IAAF said it was seeking tests on Semenya's gender even before that race. Davies said questions about her were first raised after her astonishing displays at the African junior championships in July, with her masculine build and surprising performance fueling the rumors.
South Africans (http://topics.cnn.com/topics/South_Africa) reacted angrily to Friday's reports, with one newspaper headline declaring "outrage."
Sport and Recreation Minister Makhenkesi Stofile said he was "shocked and disgusted" at the treatment that Semenya has received from the media, the IAAF, and the world.
"She may be a hermaphrodite, but so what? She is still a girl," Stofile told a news conference in Pretoria.
Even if Semenya has an unfortunate "proportion of hormones," he said, she is still "a young girl enjoying growing up." Stofile said he believes the teenager's human rights have been violated and that she was not given a chance to understand what the gender testing was all about.
South Africa will fight back if Semenya is excluded from further competition, Stofile said, adding, "It will be a third world war."
All indications were Friday that, at the very least, Semenya may be able to keep the gold medal she won in Berlin.
"Our legal advice is that, if she proves to have an advantage because of the male hormones, then it will be extremely difficult to strip the medal off her, since she has not cheated," Davies told CNN.
Semenya's countrymen -- including her father and the South Africa team manager -- have maintained that Semenya is a female.
Thousands of supporters crammed the airport in Johannesburg when she returned from Berlin last month. And this week, the athlete appeared on the cover of a South African magazine wearing makeup, jewelry and a glamorous dress.
Under IAAF rules, any time there is suspicion about an athlete's gender, the athlete can be asked to attend a medical evaluation before a panel consisting of a gynecologist, an endocrinologist, a psychologist, an internal medicine specialist and an expert on gender issues.
There are chromosome tests and scans of the athlete's body, Davies has said. He called gender verification -- which is generally required only for female athletes -- "an extremely complex procedure."
The process of gender verification has undergone big changes since it was first introduced for international competition in the 1960s, the IAAF said.
The first mechanism involved "rather crude and perhaps humiliating physical examinations," which soon gave way to mouth swabs to collect chromosomes, the IAAF said.
There were too many uncertainties regarding the mouth swabs, so the IAAF abandoned them in 1991 and the International Olympic Committee discontinued them in 2000, the IAAF said.
A proper test has yet to be found, the IAAF said, and the current round of tests is considered a good interim solution.
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Har-Tru
09-11-2009, 07:03 PM
I called it...

BTW this should go in the Athletics thread.

R.Federer
09-11-2009, 07:08 PM
Please feel free to shift it where it should go ( didn't know there was a separate athletics thread!)

But what an interesting situation. If nothing else, it is going to set the precedent for testing in future competition. I feel terribly for Caster. I am sorry, but I must ask what is on my mind. Does this statement:


The newspapers said extensive physical examinations of Semenya show she has no ovaries, but rather has internal testes, which are producing large amounts of testosterone.
'

imply whether she has external female genitals?? (I blush to write that, but I am doing so in a purely academic sense)

Nidhogg
09-11-2009, 07:10 PM
The way things have turned out it's quite a sad state of affairs for everyone, especially for Caster.

R.Federer
09-11-2009, 07:21 PM
Caster must have known I guess that something was amiss, since without ovaries, there are no menstrual cycles. At 18 if she hadn't had a cycle, I guess there is an inkling that this is a possibility.

So young, I hope she survives this.

R.Federer
09-11-2009, 07:34 PM
BBC sports news correspondent Gordon Farquhar said: "It's likely that she has some hermaphroditic or intersex condition.
"We already know that she has testosterone levels that are three times higher than those normally expected in a female.
"It's a serious issue and the athlete has to be told the implications.
"There are three possible outcomes from the expert's discussions: that the condition does not give her a competitive advantage; the condition gives her a competitive advantage, which cannot be treated; or most likely, the condition can be treated in some way if she consents to it, and in time she can return to competition."


The third option seems quite fair to me. I so much hope that she survives this!!!!! I am feeling horrible for her now!!! :sad:

tangerine_dream
09-11-2009, 11:39 PM
Her name alone, Caster Semenya, is ironicly perfect for a hermaphrodite.

Aloimeh
09-12-2009, 12:46 AM
Please feel free to shift it where it should go ( didn't know there was a separate athletics thread!)

But what an interesting situation. If nothing else, it is going to set the precedent for testing in future competition. I feel terribly for Caster. I am sorry, but I must ask what is on my mind. Does this statement:

'

imply whether she has external female genitals?? (I blush to write that, but I am doing so in a purely academic sense)

The default for both external and internal genitalia is female. Female internal structures arise from Mullerian ducts. Male internal structures arise from Wolffian ducts. Wolffian ducts regress by default. In males, antimullerian hormone (AMH) suppresses the Mullerian structures and allows the Wolffian structures (driven by testosterone) to develop into male internal structures.

External genitalia of the male is determined by dihydrotestosterone (DHT), a much more potent metabolite of testosterone. This process, the conversion of testosterone to DHT, requires an enzyme called 5 alpha-reductase. If 5 alpha-reductase is missing, DHT cannot be produced. External genitalia is then female while internal genitalia, under the control of AMH and testosterone, is male.

Caster is probably an XY with 5-alpha-reductase deficiency, which led to female external genitalia. She may or may not have experienced some virilization during puberty, and thus she may not have been aware of her intersex status on this basis. However, she would be amenorrheic and should have known something was wrong on that basis.

Aloimeh
09-12-2009, 12:51 AM
The third option seems quite fair to me. I so much hope that she survives this!!!!! I am feeling horrible for her now!!! :sad:

At this point, Caster's options are:

1.) Have the testes removed, received estrogen treatment, and move on with being a female and competing (assuming she could while on exogenous estrogens). However, she will then have not chance of having children.

2.) Assess the testes for sperm production. If viable sperm are made, administer DHT and testosterone to the patient, with urologic surgery to generate a phallus and draw the urethra through it. His days of competing amongst women are over then, and also among men (because exogenous testosterone would clearly not be appropriate for an athlete). However, in this case, he would have the chance of having children.

In my view, unless Caster really, really, wants children and can take on a male gender role easily, I would recommend option 1, especially since it would leave the career intact. If, on the other hand, Caster is able to identify as a male (reports indicate that she was a major tomboy so there's some identification going on) and is willing to undergo surgery and forgo his current career, then option 2 may be a better choice.

Action Jackson
09-12-2009, 04:30 PM
There is still a long way to go with this case, needless to say the IAAF can't rush these tests and the results, they have to cover themselves and also Samenya will need to address it.

Funny how the pollies in South Africa don't care about AIDS, yet are all up in arms about this.

Black Adam
09-12-2009, 10:44 PM
Caster Semenya is an anagram of Secret Man.

Purple Rainbow
09-13-2009, 09:42 PM
Caster Semenya is an anagram of Secret Man.

No, it's not. :confused:

Anyway, Jeter just ran the third fastest womens 100 m, after FloJo and Marion Jones. Innocent as I am, I am inclined to believe Jeter is running clean, which makes her time all the more remarkable.

R.Federer
09-14-2009, 02:51 PM
At this point, Caster's options are:

1.) Have the testes removed, received estrogen treatment, and move on with being a female and competing (assuming she could while on exogenous estrogens). However, she will then have not chance of having children.

I think the issue of having children is already a non-option because Caster does not have ovaries (ie, no egg production). Unless what you are saying implies that sperm production is stalled because of estrogen priming .. is that what you are saying?

I am so sorry that it has come to this very public outing like this. Poor kid, did nothing wrong. This is horrible.

R.Federer
09-14-2009, 02:53 PM
No, it's not. :confused:

Anyway, Jeter just ran the third fastest womens 100 m, after FloJo and Marion Jones. Innocent as I am, I am inclined to believe Jeter is running clean, which makes her time all the more remarkable.

Marion Jones, are her records considered legitimate after she was exposed for dope?

Action Jackson
09-14-2009, 02:59 PM
No, it's not. :confused:

Anyway, Jeter just ran the third fastest womens 100 m, after FloJo and Marion Jones. Innocent as I am, I am inclined to believe Jeter is running clean, which makes her time all the more remarkable.

Neither of those two were clean. Jeter couldn't do it when it counted.

SloKid
09-14-2009, 03:13 PM
No, it's not. :confused:
Actually it's "Yes, a secret man".

Aloimeh
09-16-2009, 04:29 AM
I think the issue of having children is already a non-option because Caster does not have ovaries (ie, no egg production). Unless what you are saying implies that sperm production is stalled because of estrogen priming .. is that what you are saying?

I am so sorry that it has come to this very public outing like this. Poor kid, did nothing wrong. This is horrible.

I'm saying that there may be potential sperm production in those testes. The only chance (if any) for this person to have children would be to take on the male sex, androgens, DHT, etc.

Purple Rainbow
09-16-2009, 10:11 AM
Marion Jones, are her records considered legitimate after she was exposed for dope?

I don't think Marion Jones' times have been removed. The times now come with a heavy asterisk next to them. As do FloJo's times, or any eighties WR for that matter.

Officially, Jeter is now the third fastest woman ever.

Purple Rainbow
09-16-2009, 10:12 AM
Neither of those two were clean. Jeter couldn't do it when it counted.

Much like a female Asafa Powell.
Now we wait for a female Usain Bolt... :)

Kolya
09-16-2009, 03:52 PM
Usain Bolt says he wants to do long jump one day before he retires.

Thoughts?

Purple Rainbow
09-16-2009, 03:55 PM
Usain Bolt says he wants to do long jump one day before he retires.

Thoughts?


Bolt has already tried long jump in training. He'll probably take it serious if he has shown promising results.
Bolt should focus on the 400, I think. He'll be beyond legendary if he can break the 400m WR too.

00923
09-17-2009, 02:48 AM
1.) Have the testes removed, received estrogen treatment, and move on with being a female and competing (assuming she could while on exogenous estrogens). However, she will then have not chance of having children.

....

In my view, unless Caster really, really, wants children and can take on a male gender role easily, I would recommend option 1, especially since it would leave the career intact. If, on the other hand, Caster is able to identify as a male (reports indicate that she was a major tomboy so there's some identification going on) and is willing to undergo surgery and forgo his current career, then option 2 may be a better choice.

So you think she would (and should) be allowed to compete if she chooses option 1?

Jelena
09-17-2009, 10:58 AM
So you think she would (and should) be allowed to compete if she chooses option 1?
Helmut Digel (Council member of IAAF) said some days ago, IAAF would have to think how to cope with the growing number of intersex athletes. Obviously Semenya is only the most prominent case now.

Jozie
09-18-2009, 05:14 PM
Absolutely atrocious handling of this matter by ASA (Athletics South Africa).
The humiliation this poor girl has had to endure is inconceivable.
According to our media here in SA, ASA were aware of her excess testosterone levels having tested her some time before the World Champs.
They (ASA) neglected to discuss the results with her, and allowed her to participate.

http://www.sport24.co.za/Content/OtherSport/262/bd528b8ba68a402a81ce069413541393/18-09-2009-01-22/ASA_tested_Semenya_-_report

R.Federer
09-18-2009, 05:55 PM
Helmut Digel (Council member of IAAF) said some days ago, IAAF would have to think how to cope with the growing number of intersex athletes. Obviously Semenya is only the most prominent case now.

I guess they will just have to be very explicit then in what they require for proof to determine "male" and "female". Clearly, the requisite body parts are not enough.

JolánGagó
09-18-2009, 09:21 PM
Absolutely atrocious handling of this matter by ASA (Athletics South Africa).
The humiliation this poor girl has had to endure is inconceivable.

totally. words fail to describe it. i hope this girl finds a good lawyer and get enough out of ASA to live comfortably the rest of her life.

Purple Rainbow
09-18-2009, 09:27 PM
Absolutely atrocious handling of this matter by ASA (Athletics South Africa).
The humiliation this poor girl has had to endure is inconceivable.
According to our media here in SA, ASA were aware of her excess testosterone levels having tested her some time before the World Champs.
They (ASA) neglected to discuss the results with her, and allowed her to participate.

http://www.sport24.co.za/Content/OtherSport/262/bd528b8ba68a402a81ce069413541393/18-09-2009-01-22/ASA_tested_Semenya_-_report

And in a rather bizarre development, according to a South African government official, stripping Semanya from her title will cause World War III....

http://news.iafrica.com/sa/1695979.htm

Kolya
09-19-2009, 03:04 AM
Liu Xiang is making his comeback in Shanghai.

Gebrselassie v Duncan Kibet in the Berlin Marathon :yeah:

00923
09-19-2009, 04:57 AM
And in a rather bizarre development, according to a South African government official, stripping Semanya from her title will cause World War III....

http://news.iafrica.com/sa/1695979.htm

Mr. Stofile ought to do his research, as he sounds just as idiotic as the ASA.

Jelena
09-19-2009, 05:10 PM
SA chief issues Semenya apology (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/athletics/8261566.stm)

Kolya
09-20-2009, 03:35 PM
Haile Gebrselassie wins the Berlin Marathon in "just" 2hr 6m 8secs.

:worship:

Taz Warrior
09-20-2009, 04:54 PM
Liu Xiang runs 13.15 in his first race for 13 months :yeah:, just beaten by Trammell on the line.

Taz Warrior
09-20-2009, 04:56 PM
Did the post about Isinbayeva's WR get deleted? :scratch:

Nedved Rosicky
09-20-2009, 05:50 PM
Did the post about Isinbayeva's WR get deleted? :scratch:

:p BBC got it wrong, she failed 3 attempts at 5.07m

Purple Rainbow
09-20-2009, 09:37 PM
Gay 9.69 and Jeter 10.64.

Some very sick times.

Taz Warrior
09-20-2009, 09:45 PM
:p BBC got it wrong, she failed 3 attempts at 5.07m

:o :lol:

MatchFederer
09-20-2009, 11:55 PM
Gay 9.69 and Jeter 10.64.

Some very sick times.

AMAZING stuff from the American duo.

Maybe Gay really can give Bolt some serious runs for his money next year. Shame it isn't a World Championships year, but hopefully they meet a few times in the Diamond League.

Action Jackson
09-21-2009, 03:56 AM
Gay needs 2.0m tailwind to run that time, whereas Bolt doesn't. He got his arse handed to him when it counted.

00923
09-21-2009, 05:39 AM
Gay needs 2.0m tailwind to run that time, whereas Bolt doesn't. He got his arse handed to him when it counted.

+1

Until Gay doesn't choke in a major event against major competition, this result is impressive but meaningless.

Taz Warrior
09-21-2009, 06:46 AM
When has Gay choked in a major competition? :scratch:

MatchFederer
09-21-2009, 07:12 AM
+1

Until Gay doesn't choke in a major event against major competition, this result is impressive but meaningless.

:lol:

What?


Nevermind.

***

Anyway AJ, yeah he needed a + 2 tailwind. After this excellent time, he is even being accused of not ever really actually being injured, but that instead one was conjured as a guise from which he could excuse himself losing to Bolt.

nonetheless the 9.69 run was very impressive and if he really is injured and recovers well from his upcoming surgery and can further improve, then maybe he will challenge Bolt in some Diamond League meets next year.