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TMC Shanghai 07:#FED, RAFA, Djoko, A.Rod, Davy & Ferrer qualify!!~remaining 2??

CmonAussie
05-16-2007, 09:08 AM
1 Rafael Nadal 982
2 Roger Federer 971
3 Novak Djokovic 662
4 Andy Roddick 416
5 Nikolay Davydenko 395
6 Fernando Gonzalez 295
7 David Ferrer 292
8 Ivan Ljubicic 288
9 Tommy Robredo 277
10 Mikhail Youzhny 274
11 Tommy Haas 266
12 Carlos Moya 265
13 James Blake 262
14 Tomas Berdych 260
15 Richard Gasquet 259
16 Guillermo Canas 258
17 Marcos Baghdatis 257
18 Lleyton Hewitt 249
19 Juan Carlos Ferrero 236
20 Juan Ignacio Chela 229

VolandriFan
05-16-2007, 09:26 AM
Gonzalez
Roddick
Davydenko
Gasquet
Ljubicic

leng jai
05-16-2007, 09:31 AM
I suppose Hewitt can make the TMC with good runs at both Wimbledon and the US Open, but you can't honestly say you expect him to be there.

CmonAussie
05-16-2007, 09:31 AM
Gonzalez
Roddick
Davydenko
Gasquet
Ljubicic

:wavey:
Although Roddick made a good start to the year by reaching AO SF,~ i honestly think the bubble has burst & last year was his last in the Top-10;)

However he may prove me wrong again-> we`ll see:confused:

CmonAussie
05-16-2007, 09:33 AM
I suppose Hewitt can make the TMC with good runs at both Wimbledon and the US Open, but you can't honestly say you expect him to be there.


:wavey:
Yes I am biased;)
...
Also I honestly expect Hewitt to make TMC this year:cool:
His chances go up markedly if he manages to snare Roche as his coach:angel:

VolandriFan
05-16-2007, 09:37 AM
:wavey:
Although Roddick made a good start to the year by reaching AO SF,~ i honestly think the bubble has burst & last year was his last in the Top-10;)

However he may prove me wrong again-> we`ll see:confused:

I can't see Roddick not doing well at Wimbledon, and I'm sure he can make a few good runs at other tournaments. Should be enough to qualify him, even if in one of the lower places.

Stensland
05-16-2007, 09:38 AM
uhm...lleyton in shanghai?...no way!

CmonAussie
05-16-2007, 10:13 AM
uhm...lleyton in shanghai?...no way!


Hewitt & TMC

2000 TMC: qualified 6th
2001 TMC: qualified 2nd [WON]:D
2002 TMC: qualified 1st [WON]:worship:
2003 TMC: DNQ
2004 TMC: qualified 3rd [Finalist]:cool:
2005 TMC: qualified 4th [clashed with his child`s birth]
2006 TMC: DNQ
2007 TMC: "no way":confused: :confused:

muniu
05-16-2007, 10:14 AM
5.Youzhny-hope
6.Davydenko
7.Roddick
8.Gonzalez
Ljubicic
Haas
Gasquet

wenty
05-16-2007, 11:09 AM
Davydenko and Gonzalez should make it for sure...but I think it might too early right now to predict.

Lleytonisthebest
05-16-2007, 12:20 PM
i don't see ljubo making it

Sofyaxo
05-16-2007, 12:32 PM
:retard: If you are going to post things like this try not to be so biased about it.

Roddick was the number three player and is now at number four, grass then US hard courts are coming up. You can't really expect him to drop out of the top ten when the points are like they are, and his two best stretches are coming up.

Only Roger and Nadal have the security of knowing that they'll be at the year end masters. Assuming Nadal wins RG.

Oh and November is about six months from now, this is a question to ask at the end of the summer not the start.

Veronique
05-16-2007, 01:43 PM
Too funny Hewitt who hasn't done squat for a while now will qualify but Roddick who has a GS semi and still has his best events Wimbledon and the North America hardcourt season ahead of him will not. Even if he didn't do too well, he still could be at the very bottom there in 7th or 8th spot. I'd say

Fed
Rafa
Djokovic
Kolya
Andy R
Gonzo
Ljubo
Murray (if he can come back by Wimbledon)

CmonAussie
05-16-2007, 02:06 PM
Too funny Hewitt who hasn't done squat for a while now will qualify but Roddick who has a GS semi and still has his best events Wimbledon and the North America hardcourt season ahead of him will not. Even if he didn't do too well, he still could be at the very bottom there in 7th or 8th spot. I'd say

Fed
Rafa
Djokovic
Kolya
Andy R
Gonzo
Ljubo
Murray (if he can come back by Wimbledon)


:wavey:
Hewitt`s been injured for a while;)
Now he`s back & just demolished both Calleri & Chela:cool:

Hewitt won Las Vegas in March this year [2-months ago]:)
Roddick hasn`t won anything since August last year:p

Forehander
05-16-2007, 04:20 PM
Come On Safin!!! Show Them What You've Got!!!

CmonAussie
05-16-2007, 04:26 PM
Come On Safin!!! Show Them What You've Got!!!

:cool:
If Safin makes it to TMC this year we`ll all rejoice:angel:

Burrow
05-16-2007, 04:35 PM
safin wont make the cut ever again, 2004 was his last year there.

Davydenko
gonzalez
canas
ljubicic
chela

in no order.

Fumus
05-16-2007, 04:37 PM
:wavey:
Although Roddick made a good start to the year by reaching AO SF,~ i honestly think the bubble has burst & last year was his last in the Top-10;)

However he may prove me wrong again-> we`ll see:confused:

What!? Pass that shit over here.

Andre♥
05-16-2007, 04:44 PM
Federer
Nadal
Djokovic
Roddick
Davydenko
Gonzalez
Ljubicic
Gasquet

Jevel
05-16-2007, 06:33 PM
gonzalez
roddick
davydenko
ljubicic
haas

nolop
05-16-2007, 06:36 PM
gonzalez has to make it, dont care the rest, ooohh.... richie can make it too if he wants

RickDaStick
05-16-2007, 06:36 PM
why are some of you so high on Youzhny? He has been losing some crap tennis lately.

nolop
05-16-2007, 06:38 PM
why are some of you so high on Youzhny? He has been losing some crap tennis lately.

i know :lol:

The_Nadal_effect
05-16-2007, 06:41 PM
Remaining spots:
JUST CAUSE
NOLOP
RAFA=FEDKILLA
MISTAFLAVA.

We'll have a humorous TMC this year!

spriwi
05-16-2007, 06:45 PM
Hewitt & TMC

2000 TMC: qualified 6th
2001 TMC: qualified 2nd [WON]:D
2002 TMC: qualified 1st [WON]:worship:
2003 TMC: DNQ
2004 TMC: qualified 3rd [Finalist]:cool:
2005 TMC: qualified 4th [clashed with his child`s birth]
2006 TMC: DNQ
2007 TMC: "no way":confused: :confused:

:o
OFC NO WAY-- look how he's playing! no confidence in his game, not a single chance for him to make it :rolleyes:

ChinoRios4Ever
05-17-2007, 12:49 AM
Gonzo
Murray
Kolya
Roddick
Ljubicic

Merton
05-17-2007, 12:53 AM
This is not true at all, usually the cut is around 430 points but it is not set in stone, so Nadal and, even more, Djokovic are by no means certainties. Roger is, through his slam win.

CmonAussie
05-17-2007, 03:26 AM
This is not true at all, usually the cut is around 430 points but it is not set in stone, so Nadal and, even more, Djokovic are by no means certainties. Roger is, through his slam win.

:wavey:
1. Nadal~ 465 points
2. Federer~ 361 points
3. Djokovic~ 352 points


*Merton mate:cool:
...
In 2003 the cut off was around 350-points;)
#Even assuming the much higher cut off of 430-points [as your suggesting], then it`s pretty obvious that the current top-3 [Nadal, Federer, Djokovic] will easily make TMC Shanghai;)

1. Nadal has 465 points [already way above your inflated estimate required]
2. Federer has AO Slam [as you said this qualifies him]
3. Djokovic has 352 points [his current points are almost enough to qualify him, sure if he got injured & received "zero points" for the remainder of 07 there`s a chance he may miss out, anyway you & I both know NOLE is also in;) ]..

Snowwy
05-17-2007, 03:29 AM
I find it hard to believe Roddick will not finish inside the top ten, he was awful last year and never went below 12

CmonAussie
05-17-2007, 03:31 AM
I find it hard to believe Roddick will not finish inside the top ten, he was awful last year and never went below 12

:wavey:
That`s OK:cool: ... I may be wrong about Roddick;)
*Where do you expect A ROD to finish then?:confused:

Johnny Groove
05-17-2007, 03:56 AM
1. Nadal
2. Nole
3. Federer
4. Roddick

Don't really give a shit about the rest :shrug:

€Stah
05-17-2007, 09:46 AM
Murray should make it if he is able to play Wimbledon, as he usually does really well in the US HC series:)

Frooty_Bazooty
05-17-2007, 09:53 AM
people forget that Hewitt has already titled this year and his best part (wimbledon - usopen) is yet to come and he's playing osm eof the best ive seen him play

Tomy
05-19-2007, 02:09 AM
:o
OFC NO WAY-- look how he's playing! no confidence in his game, not a single chance for him to make it :rolleyes:

It is funny to see that 3 days after this comment, Hewitt is about to play Hamburg's semifinal...

CmonAussie
07-09-2007, 07:00 AM
Nadal, Rafael (ESP)
886

Federer, Roger (SUI)
801


Djokovic, Novak (SRB)
561

Roddick, Andy (USA)
329

Davydenko, Nikolay (RUS)
325

Gonzalez, Fernando (CHI)
293

Ljubicic, Ivan (CRO)
280

Gasquet, Richard (FRA)
257

Youzhny, Mikhail (RUS)
249

Canas, Guillermo (ARG)
241





Update###:~~ so the question remains, who will fill the remaining 5-places???

Kolya
07-09-2007, 07:36 AM
I would say Roddick and Kolya will qualify.

But the rest is so close to call.

Kuhne
07-09-2007, 07:50 AM
roddick has to be there on serve alone.

Shangai is allways fun, last year's was awesome. Fed vs Nadal match ups are allways nice (Specialy when fed wins em :)

Oliboyz
07-09-2007, 10:53 AM
Misha pls qualify. I believe you can gain more point in indoor hardcourt.

Adler
07-09-2007, 11:29 AM
- Roddick
- Davydenko
- Ljubicic (but needs to kick ass indoors and get some points at USO series)
- Canas (if he's got a good run on summer clay tour)
- Murray (if he comes back) or Gonzalez (which is more likely now)

Jaap
07-09-2007, 11:36 AM
1. Nadal~ 465 points
2. Federer~ 361 points
3. Djokovic~ 352 points
4. Gonzalez~ 241 points
5. Roddick~ 225 points
6. Murray~ 213 points
7. Haas~ 210 points
8. Ljubicic~ 196 points
9. Youzhny~ 188 points
10. Davydenko~ 185 points


:wavey:
Ok so the ATP isn`t going to announce that RAFA, FED & NOLE have already qualified for TMC Shanghai, because mathematically it`s still possible that they won`t.. *However it`s pretty obvious those 3 will make it;)
>>>
So who will be the remaining 5-players:confused: :confused:
...

I expect the following:

1. RAFA
2. FED
3. NOLE
4. Youzhny
5. Gonzalez
6. Hewitt
7. Davydenko
8. Haas

I'm so shocked you picked Hewitt. :rolleyes:

CmonAussie
07-09-2007, 11:50 AM
I'm so shocked you picked Hewitt. :rolleyes:


:wavey:
With a strong USO Series ~~ Hewitt can surely do it:cool:

Jaap
07-09-2007, 11:55 AM
:wavey:
With a strong USO Series ~~ Hewitt can surely do it:cool:

He never plays the indoor season which will cost him.

Burrow
07-09-2007, 12:36 PM
he did well in 2002 getting to the paris final losing to marat safin and in 2004 lost to safin also in madrid. He can play well indoor, he ould play this year, it wold be nice to see some of the past guys in shanghai - moya, hewitt, and dare i say henman, gaudio and canas nearly made it also, he was there as a reserve i think. But i think also davydenko, ljubicic, youzhny, gonzalez and some other guy will make it realistically.

CmonAussie
07-09-2007, 04:56 PM
he did well in 2002 getting to the paris final losing to marat safin and in 2004 lost to safin also in madrid. He can play well indoor, he ould play this year, it wold be nice to see some of the past guys in shanghai - moya, hewitt, and dare i say henman, gaudio and canas nearly made it also, he was there as a reserve i think. But i think also davydenko, ljubicic, youzhny, gonzalez and some other guy will make it realistically.


:wavey:
Hewitt can play very well on fast indoor courts for sure;)
...
~~~Remember Llegs won TMC indoor twice:cool:

Stensland
07-09-2007, 05:34 PM
i think haas can make it, too. all he gotta do is play well at the american masters (which he can because he loves them) and get to the qf at the us open again or maybe a little deeper. he can also gain points during autumns, he's normally pretty fond of indoor play (even won a masters indoor a couple of years ago, if i remember correctly).

CmonAussie
07-09-2007, 05:38 PM
i think haas can make it, too. all he gotta do is play well at the american masters (which he can because he loves them) and get to the qf at the us open again or maybe a little deeper. he can also gain points during autumns, he's normally pretty fond of indoor play (even won a masters indoor a couple of years ago, if i remember correctly).


:wavey:
Yeah I`ve changed my opinion slightly:

This is what i predicted a few months back~~
1. RAFA
2. FED
3. NOLE
4. Youzhny
5. Gonzalez
6. Hewitt
7. Davydenko
8. Haas


But I want to change that to:~~
1. Rafa
2. Fed
3. Nole
4. Gasq
5. Davy
6. A Rod
7. Llegs
8. Haas

RickDaStick
07-09-2007, 05:57 PM
I like Ljubos chances. No more clay( besides Umag) or grass. He should do well in the american hardcourt season and he is a beast indoors.

Andi-M
07-09-2007, 06:03 PM
1. Rafa
2. Fed
3. Nole
4. Arod
5. Gasquet
6. Murray :bounce: :yeah:

...the rest will be space fillers!!!

Stensland
07-09-2007, 06:05 PM
:wavey:
Yeah I`ve changed my opinion slightly:

This is what i predicted a few months back~~
1. RAFA
2. FED
3. NOLE
4. Youzhny
5. Gonzalez
6. Hewitt
7. Davydenko
8. Haas


But I want to change that to:~~
1. Rafa
2. Fed
3. Nole
4. Gasq
5. Davy
6. A Rod
7. Llegs
8. Haas

is it possible for gonzalez to not qualify? i mean, he'll still have the ao final at the end of the year, so that ALONE should let him stay pretty much up there.

R.Federer
07-09-2007, 06:08 PM
Federer had qualified in January. :D


Nadal, Rafael (ESP)
886
Federer, Roger (SUI)
801
Djokovic, Novak (SRB)
561
Roddick, Andy (USA)
329
Davydenko, Nikolay (RUS)
325
Gonzalez, Fernando (CHI)
293
Ljubicic, Ivan (CRO)
280
Gasquet, Richard (FRA)
257
Youzhny, Mikhail (RUS)
249
Canas, Guillermo (ARG)
241



:wavey:
Ok so the ATP isn`t going to announce that RAFA, FED & NOLE have already qualified for TMC Shanghai, because mathematically it`s still possible that they won`t.. *However it`s pretty obvious those 3 will make it;)
>>>
So who will be the remaining 5-players:confused: :confused:
...

I expect the following:

1. RAFA
2. FED
3. NOLE
4. Youzhny
5. Gonzalez
6. Hewitt
7. Davydenko
8. Haas

CmonAussie
07-09-2007, 06:11 PM
is it possible for gonzalez to not qualify? i mean, he'll still have the ao final at the end of the year, so that ALONE should let him stay pretty much up there.


1. Nadal, Rafael (ESP)
886
2. Federer, Roger (SUI)
801
3. Djokovic, Novak (SRB)
561
4. Roddick, Andy (USA)
329
5. Davydenko, Nikolay (RUS)
325
6. Gonzalez, Fernando (CHI)
293
7. Ljubicic, Ivan (CRO)
280
8. Gasquet, Richard (FRA)
257
9. Youzhny, Mikhail (RUS)
249
10. Canas, Guillermo (ARG)
241



:wavey:
Gonzalez needs around 450-pts to be sure of qualifing;)
Currently he has 293-pts & is in 6th position...
~~~
So to answer your question->> yes it`s very possible that Gonzalez won`t qualify for TMC:sad:

I want Gonzo to make it but his form over recent months has been very disappointing:eek:

Mariana_lcf
07-09-2007, 06:13 PM
1. Federer
2. Rafa
3. Nole
4. Davydenko
5. Roddick
6. Gonzalez
7. Gasquet :):)
8. Youzhy

stebs
07-09-2007, 06:40 PM
Federer, Nadal and Djokovic are indeed there already.

The other five will come from this group of eleven:

Roddick, Davydenko, Gonzalez, Ljubicic, Gasquet, Youzhny, Canas, Haas, Berdych, Murray, Baghdatis.

As far as I am concerned it is fairly open but I like the chances of Roddick, Davydenko and Ljubicic a great deal. All these guys are currently top 8 in the race and all are very able to pick up points the rest of the year. Gonzalez should also make it if he finds a bit of form somewhere along the year and then I think the other player will be a young gun out of Murray, Gasquet, Berdych and Baghdatis. Any of them are capable of a good run at the USO although that is least likely to happen for Gasquet.

Murray would have a fantastic shot if he hadn't missed a large part of the season.

ys
07-09-2007, 07:01 PM
three qualified, Gonzalez, Davydenko, Roddick, Gasquet and Safin the USO champ.. :lol:

NYCtennisfan
07-09-2007, 07:05 PM
Federer, Nadal and Djokovic are indeed there already.

The other five will come from this group of eleven:

Roddick, Davydenko, Gonzalez, Ljubicic, Gasquet, Youzhny, Canas, Haas, Berdych, Murray, Baghdatis.

As far as I am concerned it is fairly open but I like the chances of Roddick, Davydenko and Ljubicic a great deal. All these guys are currently top 8 in the race and all are very able to pick up points the rest of the year. Gonzalez should also make it if he finds a bit of form somewhere along the year and then I think the other player will be a young gun out of Murray, Gasquet, Berdych and Baghdatis. Any of them are capable of a good run at the USO although that is least likely to happen for Gasquet.

Murray would have a fantastic shot if he hadn't missed a large part of the season.

The way Murray was playing and developing, he would've probably been in the top 5 by year's end.

Beforehand
07-09-2007, 07:06 PM
Are they quote-unquote "officially" qualified?

ChinoRios4Ever
07-09-2007, 07:14 PM
plisssss Feña wake up... you have to enter Shanghai!!!!

CmonAussie
07-09-2007, 07:16 PM
Are they quote-unquote "officially" qualified?


:wavey:
After this year`s Wimby the answer is ~~~ YES [they`re mathematically qualified];)

Have the ATP announced this yet:confused: :confused: ~~ answer is NO:eek:
Why haven`t the ATP announced it yet:confused:
****
Because the ATP wants to keep us dummies in suspense & use the ideal opportune time [after USO] to begin their promotion of the TMC;)

Beforehand
07-09-2007, 07:19 PM
Well, that's what I meant...is it completely mathematically impossible for it to be out...

Good, then. A very, very exciting and interesting three players to start.

DrJules
07-09-2007, 07:50 PM
Nadal, Rafael (ESP)
886
Federer, Roger (SUI)
801
Djokovic, Novak (SRB)
561
Roddick, Andy (USA)
329
Davydenko, Nikolay (RUS)
325
Gonzalez, Fernando (CHI)
293
Ljubicic, Ivan (CRO)
280
Gasquet, Richard (FRA)
257
Youzhny, Mikhail (RUS)
249
Canas, Guillermo (ARG)
241



:wavey:
Ok so the ATP isn`t going to announce that RAFA, FED & NOLE have already qualified for TMC Shanghai, because mathematically it`s still possible that they won`t.. *However it`s pretty obvious those 3 will make it;)
>>>
So who will be the remaining 5-players:confused: :confused:
...

I expect the following:

1. RAFA
2. FED
3. NOLE
4. Youzhny
5. Gonzalez
6. Hewitt
7. Davydenko
8. Haas

Expect following 8:

1) Federer
2) Nadal
3) Djokovic
4) Roddick - does very well in the US hard court season (courts and home support)
5) Davydenko - does well on hard and indoor courts
6) Gonzalez - does well on hard and indoor courts
7) Ljubicic - excellent indoor court player
8) Berdych - excellent indoor court player

Possibly Nadal could lead going into masters owing to current 85 point lead, but fast hard courts and indoor courts are not the strongest part of the Nadal season.

Leo
07-09-2007, 10:04 PM
Misha probably needed to make the quarters or better at Wimbledon, which he might have been able to do if not for his injury because his draw was decent, but he still has a shot. Gonzalez needs to step up his form soon or else players will keep passing him. Haas often plays well in the US summer so he's not out of the picture either. It will be a very exciting battle!

stebs
07-09-2007, 10:16 PM
The way Murray was playing and developing, he would've probably been in the top 5 by year's end.

Top 5 is pushing it a little I think and he'd of needed a little luck to sustain that high level but top 8 for sure. He is still capable of big things this summer, his favourite season is coming.

Stensland
07-09-2007, 10:26 PM
Top 5 is pushing it a little I think and he'd of needed a little luck to sustain that high level but top 8 for sure. He is still capable of big things this summer, his favourite season is coming.

i second that. he's good, sure, but he's not "top 5 good". if i remember correctly it was djoko who's been skyrocketing up the ranks, not murray. he was going up, but not like a rocket. he pretty much stayed put on no. 13 or 14 or something while djoko was enterign the top 10.

and given the fact that most of guys ranked higher than him in the race are able to compete on hardcourt, he needs to really show something to get the ticket to shanghai. i myself doubt it, he's not there yet. maybe next year he'll have a go at it, but this year? i just can't see 6-8 guys losing their form quickly enough to let murray slip through and finish in 8th position or even higher. first of all he needs to get his own form back anyways.

Burrow
07-09-2007, 10:26 PM
:wavey:
Hewitt can play very well on fast indoor courts for sure;)
...
~~~Remember Llegs won TMC indoor twice:cool:

absolutely and he beat some good players to win those, beat agassi and rafter, tight matches with grosjean in his first and second he squeezed past costa (might have been a set down, not sure) and he beat safin who pretty much rolled over hewitt and beat federer and ferrero, the ferrero match was a classic. So if he does play those two indoor tournaments and does well throughout the us hardcourt season, he is definately in the running.He is capable of beaten just about anybody, not sure of him beaten federer due to past results, after taking 7 of there first 10 or something he has lost about 8 in a row. :eek:

Haas is another one who is in contention but i think canas might edge him out. Canas should have a good hardcourt season and he has won toronto before, and dont think he has returned there since.

Somebody else mentioned murray, i really dont think he can make it for two reasons.
1. I dont think he will come back playing fantastic tennis straight away.
2. I think there are too many people ahead of him in the race that are capable of having a good end of season and also people behind him such as hewitt, even chela, moya, blake, maybe ferrero etc.

Whatever happens it should be pretty close, one of the closest i've seen and is an open contest.

:wavey:

Stensland
07-09-2007, 10:29 PM
so we pretty much have the exact same opinion of murray's current state. :wavey:

Burrow
07-09-2007, 10:30 PM
Top 5 is pushing it a little I think and he'd of needed a little luck to sustain that high level but top 8 for sure. He is still capable of big things this summer, his favourite season is coming.

He has some points to defend this season though, semi and quarters in both masters series in the us hard and 4th round us open and 3rd round both indoor masters series, so he does have work to do. Im not expecting him to do better in canada and cincy.

Merton
07-10-2007, 04:15 AM
Looking at the Race, Robredo will not make it again this year and Blake will need a great hardcourt season to make it again. Roddick and Davydenko are well placed, barring injuries, but the last 3 positions are open.

CmonAussie
07-10-2007, 04:28 AM
Looking at the Race, Robredo will not make it again this year and Blake will need a great hardcourt season to make it again. Roddick and Davydenko are well placed, barring injuries, but the last 3 positions are open.


If you look at the collective points of the players currently ranked 4th->10th you`ll see that they`re all pretty closely bunched:cool:

I don`t think Roddick or Davydenko are safe;)
However A Rod should find a way to qualify since the USO Series offers him home support & his best surface etc.:devil:


Blake has less chance of making TMC than Safin [Blake`s currently 21st in the race & 06 is looking increasingly like a fluke year]:eek:

Murray was on course to make TMC up to Miami~~> but missing FO & the grass court season probably ended his chances:p

Gasquet meanwhile seems to have turned a career corner & if he keeps up the momentum should manage to squeeze into the Top-8 by years end:cool:

Gonzalez is the unknown quantity:sad:
Why couldn`t Fernando maintain or even come close to his AO form is a sad mystery:sad:
Especially at IW-AMS & Miami-AMS Gonzo missed a big opportunity to move into the Top-4...
Now it seems he`ll be pushing it to finish Top-10!!


4..Roddick, Andy (USA)
329
5..Davydenko, Nikolay (RUS)
325
6..Gonzalez, Fernando (CHI)
293
7..Ljubicic, Ivan (CRO)
280
8..Gasquet, Richard (FRA)
257
9..Youzhny, Mikhail (RUS)
249
10..Canas, Guillermo (ARG)
241

Marek.
07-10-2007, 04:32 AM
4.Roddick
5.Davydenko
6.Gasquet
7.Ljubicic
8.Youzhny

Merton
07-10-2007, 04:33 AM
If you look at the collective points of the players currently ranked 4th->10th you`ll see that they`re all pretty closely bunched:cool:

I don`t think Roddick or Davydenko are safe;)
However A Rod should find a way to qualify since the USO Series offers him home support & his best surface etc.:devil:


Blake has less chance of making TMC than Safin [Blake`s currently 21st in the race & 06 is looking increasingly like a fluke year]:eek:

Murray was on course to make TMC up to Miami~~> but missing FO & the grass court season probably ended his chances:p

Gasquet meanwhile seems to have turned a career corner & if he keeps up the momentum should manage to squeeze into the Top-8 by years end:cool:

Gonzalez is the unknown quantity:sad:
Why couldn`t Fernando maintain or even come close to his AO form is a sad mystery:sad:
Especially at IW-AMS & Miami-AMS Gonzo missed a big opportunity to move into the Top-4...
Now it seems he`ll be pushing it to finish Top-10!!


4..Roddick, Andy (USA)
329
5..Davydenko, Nikolay (RUS)
325
6..Gonzalez, Fernando (CHI)
293
7..Ljubicic, Ivan (CRO)
280
8..Gasquet, Richard (FRA)
257
9..Youzhny, Mikhail (RUS)
249
10..Canas, Guillermo (ARG)
241

Roddick and Davydenko are not safe by any means, I expect to see them making it but I may very well be wrong :) As for Blake, it is regression to the mean, he over-achieved last year, I expect to see him somewhere between 10-30 this year.

federated
07-10-2007, 06:28 AM
I really hope gasquet, canas, youzhny and murray make it.

BlakeorHenman
07-10-2007, 07:08 AM
4. Roddick
5. Berdych
6. Gasquet
7. Gonzalez
8. Davydenko

BlakeorHenman
07-10-2007, 07:08 AM
4. Roddick
5. Berdych
6. Gasquet
7. Gonzalez
8. Davydenko

soraya
07-10-2007, 08:47 AM
my dream 8 will be
roger
rafa
djokovick
gasquet
berdych
murray
davydenko
youzhny

alternate:
Roddick
gonzalez

marat...:sad:

krystlel
07-10-2007, 09:04 AM
1. Federer
2. Nadal
3. Djokovic
4. Roddick
5. Davydenko
6. Ljubicic
7. Berdych
8. Murray

It will be interesting to follow at the end of the year to see what happens. I would like to see Murray and Gasquet make it.

tennis2tennis
07-10-2007, 11:11 AM
is qualification based on or world ranking or the atp race?

'cause it looks lik this

1st Federer , R. 7290
2nd Nadal , R. 5225
3rd Djokovic , N. 3310
4th Roddick , A. 3230
5th Davydenko , N. 3185
6th Gonzalez , F. 2780
7th Gasquet , R. 2220
8th Robredo , T. 2200
9th Blake , J. 2075
10th Berdych , T.

Burrow
07-10-2007, 11:38 AM
race

Burrow
07-10-2007, 11:42 AM
If you look at the collective points of the players currently ranked 4th->10th you`ll see that they`re all pretty closely bunched:cool:

I don`t think Roddick or Davydenko are safe;)
However A Rod should find a way to qualify since the USO Series offers him home support & his best surface etc.:devil:


Blake has less chance of making TMC than Safin [Blake`s currently 21st in the race & 06 is looking increasingly like a fluke year]:eek:

Murray was on course to make TMC up to Miami~~> but missing FO & the grass court season probably ended his chances:p

Gasquet meanwhile seems to have turned a career corner & if he keeps up the momentum should manage to squeeze into the Top-8 by years end:cool:

Gonzalez is the unknown quantity:sad:
Why couldn`t Fernando maintain or even come close to his AO form is a sad mystery:sad:
Especially at IW-AMS & Miami-AMS Gonzo missed a big opportunity to move into the Top-4...
Now it seems he`ll be pushing it to finish Top-10!!


4..Roddick, Andy (USA)
329
5..Davydenko, Nikolay (RUS)
325
6..Gonzalez, Fernando (CHI)
293
7..Ljubicic, Ivan (CRO)
280
8..Gasquet, Richard (FRA)
257
9..Youzhny, Mikhail (RUS)
249
10..Canas, Guillermo (ARG)
241

why do you think blake has less chance of making the cut than safin? safin is 40 in the race and has less than 100 points.

CmonAussie
07-10-2007, 12:29 PM
why do you think blake has less chance of making the cut than safin? safin is 40 in the race and has less than 100 points.



Because Safin is brilliant & unpredictable [made the AO final when he was ranked #86 for example];)

Safin could have a great run all of a sudden & he`s got the game/results in the past to show what he`s capable of:devil:

Safin = 2-time Slam winner, 5-time TMS winner, 2-DC, former #1 etc...:cool:
Blake = 9-time MM winner, USO QF:rolleyes:


***Blake`s simply not capable of earning a huge ammount of points out of the blue;)
2006 he overperformed [still his ranking was based on MM tourney results]..

El Legenda
07-10-2007, 12:35 PM
Ljubo thinks that another 140pts will be good enough for the top 8.

ivankg
07-10-2007, 12:38 PM
Roddick
Davydenko
Gasquet
Berdych
?

Burrow
07-10-2007, 01:09 PM
Because Safin is brilliant & unpredictable [made the AO final when he was ranked #86 for example];)

Safin could have a great run all of a sudden & he`s got the game/results in the past to show what he`s capable of:devil:

Safin = 2-time Slam winner, 5-time TMS winner, 2-DC, former #1 etc...:cool:
Blake = 9-time MM winner, USO QF:rolleyes:


***Blake`s simply not capable of earning a huge ammount of points out of the blue;)
2006 he overperformed [still his ranking was based on MM tourney results]..

Safin was coming back from a wrist injury in 2003, then he was young, fresh, less heavy and generally alot fitter. He is like a brick that is as agile as an elephant. His strokes and not smooth and flowing anymore and now you sense the longer the rally goes, less chance he has of winning it.

Blake is just coming off his best year, in 2006 and is capable of beating most players on his day, he is nearly 100 points ahead of Safin and is coming up to his favourite time of the year, perhaps as well as Safin.

RogiFan88
07-10-2007, 02:48 PM
I don't know but Blake is on Regis Live now...

stebs
07-10-2007, 04:22 PM
The evidence can pour in forever and a lot of people will still believe Safin is capable of a brilliant run. If he played at his best and got a good draw he could SF a slam but with that being his top result and not a lot to back it up he can't qualify to Shanghai.

maria_marie
07-10-2007, 04:26 PM
The evidence can pour in forever and a lot of people will still believe Safin is capable of a brilliant run. If he played at his best and got a good draw he could SF a slam but with that being his top result and not a lot to back it up he can't qualify to Shanghai.


:sad: :sad: :sad:

Pea
07-10-2007, 04:41 PM
Gasquet will make a run this summer for a change and make the TMC.

mashamaniac
07-10-2007, 04:55 PM
1.rafa
2.federer
3.roddick
4.djokovic
5.gasquet
6.haas
7.gonzalez
8.davydenko

maybe richie will replace tommy there...

Stensland
07-10-2007, 04:57 PM
1.rafa
2.federer
3.roddick
4.djokovic
5.gasquet
6.haas
7.gonzalez
8.davydenko

maybe richie will replace tommy there...

what richie?

Burrow
07-10-2007, 05:02 PM
It would be a hell of a lot easier to understand if people could refer to players as there proper names.

Stensland
07-10-2007, 05:12 PM
richie to me is richard gasquet. but given the fact that gasquet is already the no.5 on his list, apparently it's not the "richie" he is referring to. but i don't know any more richies in the top 50...

Burrow
07-10-2007, 05:34 PM
yes i think that guy forgot that he put gasquet in the list or something ??

superhoops
07-10-2007, 06:12 PM
Murray unlikely to but if he plays like he did the end of last year on the american events he can still make it.

Forehander
07-10-2007, 07:15 PM
Gonzalez, ROddick and Davydenko will surely be in it right?

Burrow
07-10-2007, 10:02 PM
Gonzalez you cant be too sure about.

jcempire
08-07-2007, 03:24 AM
7 7 Robredo 5 2,170 60
8 9 Blake J 5 1,965 120
9 12 Haas 5 1,880 40
10 11 Ljubicic 5 1,870 120

11 10 Berdych 5 1,855 40

Told me who will be there, or none will play Mater cup.

El Legenda
08-07-2007, 03:27 AM
entry has nothing to do with Masters Cup

....try Race.

Andre♥
08-07-2007, 03:27 AM
Federer
Nadal
Djokovic
Roddick
Davydenko

These five look certain

Ljubicic (7th in the race + indoors season)
Canas (11th in the race + consistence, which helps him to get points everywhere)

For the last spot:

Ferrer (9th in the race + way underrated in fast surfaces)
Murray (19 in the race + just 61 points away from the last spot)
Robredo (8th in the race + love him or not, he is always there)

Gonzalez and Gasquet will just fall short in the race. They are likely to end in the season in the 9th-12th places.

Blake is currently 22nd in the race! :haha:

jonny84
08-10-2007, 10:23 PM
Federer, Nadal, Djokovic, Roddick, Davydenko, Ljubicic, Youzhny and Gonzalez are my predictions.

ReturnWinner
08-10-2007, 10:26 PM
no boredo this time please

Ivo#1Fan
08-11-2007, 12:16 AM
Another question, how many of the top 8 will sit it out this year and let alternates in? That seems to happen a lot.

uglyamerican
08-11-2007, 12:18 AM
bump

Blue Heart24
08-11-2007, 12:19 AM
Federer
Nadal
Djokovic
Roddick
Davydenko

These five look certain

Ljubicic (7th in the race + indoors season)
Canas (11th in the race + consistence, which helps him to get points everywhere)

For the last spot:

Ferrer (9th in the race + way underrated in fast surfaces)
Murray (19 in the race + just 61 points away from the last spot)
Robredo (8th in the race + love him or not, he is always there)

Gonzalez and Gasquet will just fall short in the race. They are likely to end in the season in the 9th-12th places.

Blake is currently 22nd in the race! :haha:

:help:

Are you serious? :tape:

stebs
08-11-2007, 12:26 AM
:help:

Are you serious? :tape:

Seeing as he's currently on course for a top 8 finish and his favourite time of year is yet to come I think he has a pretty big chance.

Andre♥
08-11-2007, 12:39 AM
:help:

Are you serious? :tape:

Of course I am. He's in Top 8 in the race and the indoors season will help him a lot.

CmonAussie
08-11-2007, 01:03 AM
bump

thanks:cool:

Roddick`s going to find a way to qualify;)
Gasquet, Monaco & Ferrer have improved their chances..

I`d still like to think Hewitt can get there but he`ll need to do somethng special at USO~~ like a SF;)

Jaap
08-11-2007, 02:59 AM
1) Mug
2) Mug
3) Mug
4) Mug
5) Mug
6) Mug
7) Mug
8) Mug.

SwiSha
08-11-2007, 03:08 AM
1) Mug
2) Mug
3) Mug
4) Mug
5) Mug
6) Mug
7) Mug
8) Mug.

hehe

meigui1990
08-19-2007, 01:16 PM
The top two in the current rankings of Race, Rafael Nadal and Roger Federer had been officially announced to qualify for the TMC. Novak Djokovic ranked No.3 and nearly got a ticket to Shanghai. Nikolay Davydenko and Andy Roddick will probably qualify, too.
The last three won't be sure until Mid-October, and the US Open is gonna be held in late August. So it's quite uncertain for the competitive situations here.
Current Rankings of ATP Race:
1 Rafael Nadal 982
2 Roger Federer 941 (Reach Cincy Final)
3 Novak Djokovic 662
4 Andy Roddick 416
5 Nikolay Davydenko 395
6 Fernando Gonzalez 295
7 David Ferrer 292
8 Ivan Ljubicic 288
9 Tommy Robredo 277
10 Mikhail Youzhny 274
11 Tommy Haas 266
12 Carlos Moya 265
13 James Blake 262 (Reach Cincy Final)
14 Tomas Berdych 260
15 Richard Gasquet 259
16 Guillermo Canas 258
17 Marcos Baghdatis 257
18 Lleyton Hewitt 249
19 Juan Carlos Ferrero 236
20 Juan Ignacio Chela 229
Pick Up Your Choice!:) :)

CmonAussie
08-19-2007, 01:35 PM
The top two in the current rankings of Race, Rafael Nadal and Roger Federer had been officially announced to qualify for the TMC. Novak Djokovic ranked No.3 and nearly got a ticket to Shanghai. Nikolay Davydenko and Andy Roddick will probably qualify, too.
The last three won't be sure until Mid-October, and the US Open is gonna be held in late August. So it's quite uncertain for the competitive situations here.
Current Rankings of ATP Race:

Pick Up Your Choice!:) :)


1 Rafael Nadal 982
2 Roger Federer 941
3 Novak Djokovic 662
4 Andy Roddick 416
5 Nikolay Davydenko 395
6 Fernando Gonzalez 295
7 David Ferrer 292
8 Ivan Ljubicic 288
9 Tommy Robredo 277
10 Mikhail Youzhny 274
11 Tommy Haas 266
12 Carlos Moya 265
13 James Blake 262
14 Tomas Berdych 260
15 Richard Gasquet 259
16 Guillermo Canas 258
17 Marcos Baghdatis 257
18 Lleyton Hewitt 249
19 Juan Carlos Ferrero 236
20 Juan Ignacio Chela 229


The 8-players I`ve bolded will make TMC in my opinion;)
...
If Blake & Hewitt put in good showings @ USO then I expect they`ll both sneak in:cool:

meigui1990
08-19-2007, 01:46 PM
Last year, the third qualifer was ensured in Mid-October.
Quite Competitive rivalry! So is it this year.
US Open is a big cake for them to cut and grab.

CmonAussie
08-19-2007, 01:50 PM
Last year, the third qualifer was ensured in Mid-October.
Quite Competitive rivalry! So is it this year.
US Open is a big cake for them to cut and grab.


Will Fernando Gonzalez ever find his best form again:sad: :confused:

Gonzo`s still in 6th position but all his points basically came from 2-events:

AO finalist: 140pts
Rome finalist: 70pts
~~~ 140 + 70 = 210pts
Current point total 295 - 210 = 85pts
...
Gonzo`s only got 85pts outside of AO & Rome~~~ just pathetic:sad: :eek:

meigui1990
08-19-2007, 01:54 PM
Quite a joke though

meigui1990
08-19-2007, 01:56 PM
I don't think Gonzalez will go far in USO

meigui1990
08-19-2007, 01:59 PM
If James got a good draw, he can go into SF even F in USO~ He's been awesome in Cincy for a week

jcempire
08-19-2007, 02:05 PM
1 Rafael Nadal 982
2 Roger Federer 941
3 Novak Djokovic 662
4 Andy Roddick 416
5 Nikolay Davydenko 395
---------------------------

6 7 8, not sure

meigui1990
08-19-2007, 02:14 PM
1 Rafael Nadal 982
2 Roger Federer 941
3 Novak Djokovic 662
4 Andy Roddick 416
5 Nikolay Davydenko 395
---------------------------

6 7 8, not sure

Agree. The gap between No.6 and No.15 is mere 36.

muniu
08-19-2007, 02:39 PM
1 Rafael Nadal 982
2 Roger Federer 941 (Reach Cincy Final)
3 Novak Djokovic 662
4 Andy Roddick 416
5 Nikolay Davydenko 395
6 Fernando Gonzalez 295
7 David Ferrer 292
8 Ivan Ljubicic 288
9 Tommy Robredo 277
10 Mikhail Youzhny 274 :bolt:
11 Tommy Haas 266
12 Carlos Moya 265
13 James Blake 262 (Reach Cincy Final)
14 Tomas Berdych 260
15 Richard Gasquet 259
16 Guillermo Canas 258
17 Marcos Baghdatis 257
18 Lleyton Hewitt 249
19 Juan Carlos Ferrero 236
20 Juan Ignacio Chela 229

but I think that Tommys and Ljuba can be dangerous too :wavey:

CmonAussie
08-19-2007, 02:45 PM
1 Rafael Nadal 982
2 Roger Federer 941 (Reach Cincy Final)
3 Novak Djokovic 662
4 Andy Roddick 416
5 Nikolay Davydenko 395
6 Fernando Gonzalez 295
7 David Ferrer 292
8 Ivan Ljubicic 288
9 Tommy Robredo 277
10 Mikhail Youzhny 274 :bolt:
11 Tommy Haas 266
12 Carlos Moya 265
13 James Blake 262 (Reach Cincy Final)
14 Tomas Berdych 260
15 Richard Gasquet 259
16 Guillermo Canas 258
17 Marcos Baghdatis 257
18 Lleyton Hewitt 249
19 Juan Carlos Ferrero 236
20 Juan Ignacio Chela 229

but I think that Tommys and Ljuba can be dangerous too :wavey:


:wavey:
Your list is exactly the same as mine:cool:

TheBoiledEgg
08-19-2007, 03:07 PM
top 5

hopefully
Youzhny

likely Hewitt

one more: Berdych :shrug:

more will be known after US Open

mrserenawilliams
08-19-2007, 03:23 PM
Top 5+ Blake, Hewitt and Paris TMS Winner

Adler
08-19-2007, 03:47 PM
Didn't we have the exact thread this year already?

Naranoc
08-19-2007, 04:02 PM
Didn't we have the exact thread this year already?

Yep.

http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=101841 :wavey:

ReturnWinner
08-19-2007, 04:03 PM
we have a thread like this made every month :retard:

azza
08-21-2007, 11:25 AM
plz hewitt make it

CmonAussie
08-21-2007, 11:41 AM
plz hewitt make it


I hear u bro:cool:
~~Hewitt can make TMC but he`ll need to do very well @ USO [SFs might be enough]..
The other possibility for Hewitt is to do well in the remaining AMS events [Madrid, Paris]- which he decides to skip every year:eek: , hope he plays them this year;)

Although Lleyton`s currently in 18th spot on the ATP Race~ he`s only 39pts behind #8 Ljubicic, so he`s definitely able to do it~~ assuming a good USO performance & showing up @ the AMS events!!

1 Rafael Nadal 982
2 Roger Federer 971
3 Novak Djokovic 662
4 Andy Roddick 416
5 Nikolay Davydenko 395
6 Fernando Gonzalez 295
7 David Ferrer 292
8 Ivan Ljubicic 288
9 Tommy Robredo 277
10 Mikhail Youzhny 274
11 Tommy Haas 266
12 Carlos Moya 265
13 James Blake 262
14 Tomas Berdych 260
15 Richard Gasquet 259
16 Guillermo Canas 258
17 Marcos Baghdatis 257
18 Lleyton Hewitt 249

laure xxx
08-21-2007, 11:49 AM
Hewitt will never win another slam.

CmonAussie
08-21-2007, 11:57 AM
Hewitt will never win another slam.


Thanks for your input:rolleyes:
...
I might add that you`ll "never win any slam":p
Hewitt`s proven himself enough times & he doesn`t need to justify his career to some boring poster like yourself;)

Merton
08-22-2007, 06:15 AM
Nadal, Federer, Djokovic have made it, Roddick and Davydenko are very close but the remaining three spots are wide open. This is good for the competition during the indoors season.

Flibbertigibbet
08-22-2007, 07:15 AM
6-18 are so close, we'll have a great fight for the last three spots.

CmonAussie
09-05-2007, 03:21 AM
*****
BUMP
...
Now 5-players have qualified:
1 Rafael Nadal
2 Roger Federer
3 Novak Djokovic
4 Andy Roddick
5 Nikolay Davydenko

-->>So who will fill the remaining 3-places???
***
Looks like:
BLAKE
HAAS
&
FERRER or MOYA [not bad for an old timer (31yrs)]

supertommyhaas
09-05-2007, 03:27 AM
*****
BUMP
...
No 5-players have qualified:
1 Rafael Nadal
2 Roger Federer
3 Novak Djokovic
4 Andy Roddick
5 Nikolay Davydenko

-->>So who will fill the remaining 3-places???
***
Looks like:
BLAKE
HAAS
&
FERRER or MOYA [not bad for an old timer (31yrs)]

Yeh I say haas,Blake and Ljubicic because of the indoor season. However it will be Haas,Blake and Moya if Moya reaches the semis of the uS Open.

CmonAussie
09-05-2007, 03:34 AM
Yeh I say haas,Blake and Ljubicic because of the indoor season. However it will be Haas,Blake and Moya if Moya reaches the semis of the uS Open.


Moya`s really turning back time this year:cool:
...
I was very disappointed Hewitt lost so early at USO~~ he had a good chance at qualifying for TMC if he`d got to QFs, alas his chances have all but gone now:sad:

...
Blake should have beaten Haas in their Rd.4 clash, if he`d won that he would have been a lock to make TMC, anyway Blake will probably still qualify 6-8th;)

supertommyhaas
09-05-2007, 03:56 AM
Moya`s really turning back time this year:cool:
...
I was very disappointed Hewitt lost so early at USO~~ he had a good chance at qualifying for TMC if he`d got to QFs, alas his chances have all but gone now:sad:

...
Blake should have beaten Haas in their Rd.4 clash, if he`d won that he would have been a lock to make TMC, anyway Blake will probably still qualify 6-8th;)

Why should have Blake won?? Yeh was Disapointing for Hewitt didn't see it coming! I thought he would go out 4th rd to Djokovic or I f he got past that he could make the Final.

selyoink
09-05-2007, 07:06 AM
Pics with his win over Nadal has taken a huge step towards his first ever appearance in the Masters Cup. He should defeat Chela to improve his chances even more. I hope Pics will qualify.

CmonAussie
09-05-2007, 07:20 AM
Pics with his win over Nadal has taken a huge step towards his first ever appearance in the Masters Cup. He should defeat Chela to improve his chances even more. I hope Pics will qualify.


Yeah Ferrer is right up there now:worship:
...
Honestly didn`t foresee him taking out Rafa:cool:

Certainly if he makes SFs then his chances of playing TMC look very good indeed:angel:

Marek.
09-05-2007, 07:22 AM
What if Pics makes the finals?!?!?!?! It's certainly possible now.

VolandriFan
09-05-2007, 07:23 AM
Pics and Carlos are going to become the next qualifiers! :D

CmonAussie
09-05-2007, 01:51 PM
Pics and Carlos are going to become the next qualifiers! :D

Moya qualifying for TMC @ age 31yrs would be very impressive indeed:cool:
~~Though don`t forget that Agassi qualified for TMC @ age 35yrs:angel: :worship:

CmonAussie
09-06-2007, 08:37 PM
###
...
Ferrer has virtually sealed his place @ TMC... currently he`s in outright 6th position [382 race points]<:)
The SF points he`s gained make him a near certain lock!!!

World Beater
09-06-2007, 10:05 PM
###
...
Ferrer has virtually sealed his place @ TMC... currently he`s in outright 6th position [382 race points]<:)
The SF points he`s gained make him a near certain lock!!!

stupid hewitt missed his chance.:rolleyes:

CmonAussie
09-07-2007, 12:26 AM
stupid hewitt missed his chance.:rolleyes:


yes very disappointed with Hewitt:sad: :sad: ... even QFs @ USO would have given him a good chance of qualifying for TMC:sad:

rocketassist
09-07-2007, 12:52 AM
I assume Ljubicic and Haas are in positions 7 and 8 at the moment.

Stensland
09-07-2007, 12:57 AM
I assume Ljubicic and Haas are in positions 7 and 8 at the moment.

i thought blake was 7th? :confused:

CmonAussie
09-07-2007, 04:16 AM
I assume Ljubicic and Haas are in positions 7 and 8 at the moment.


:wavey:
Reverse those 2 & you`re correct;)
...
Blake`s #7 & Ljubicic`s #8 in the current race standings:cool:

Voo de Mar
09-07-2007, 04:39 AM
In my opinion in Shanghai will play: Federer, Djokovic, Nadal, Davydenko, Roddick, Blake, Haas & Ferrer. Substitute: Ljubicic.
;)

mashamaniac
09-07-2007, 04:54 AM
i wonder what happened that ljubo and misha have got more points than moyito??? carlos has had a more steady season so far and has been more consistent than both of them,but still they're ahead of him.that's funny though!!!

FedFan_2007
09-07-2007, 04:57 AM
Seeing how a tired Nole dismantled Moya, I think Lord Carlos doesn't have much of a shot at winning any big titles.

Tzar
09-07-2007, 05:06 AM
Im sure haas will qualify, but not Blake..

Really, really sad this TMC without: ROBREDO, NALBANDIAN, LJUBICIC AND BLAKE (if he dosnt make it)

06:

Federer
Nadal
Nalbandian :sad:
Ljubicic :sad:
Davydenko
A.Rod
Robredo :sad:
Blake :sad:

njnetswill
09-07-2007, 05:07 AM
Ferrer :eek:

He has come out of nowhere, in my opinion anyway.

CmonAussie
09-09-2007, 03:47 PM
****
..
It`s still possible, maybe even likely that Djokovic will end 2007 ranked #2 & surpass Rafa.. Of course Nole`s chances of reaching #2 by TMC increase greatly if he wins the USO final tomorrow.

DrJules
09-16-2007, 08:14 AM
It looks like Federer, Nadal, Djokovic, Davydenko, Roddick + Ferrer plus 2 from:

Blake
Haas
Moya
Ljubicic
Gonzalez
Robredo
Berdych

Before this week points ranged from Blake 321 points to Berdych 290 points so it will come down to Paris and points achieved in optionals.

So it is still possible that Ljubicic plays for the 3rd year in a row and Robredo for the 2nd year in a row.

dragons112
09-16-2007, 08:33 AM
is Nadal ahead of roger in points. On atp roger is 1117 or more hes above rafa

Rogiman
09-16-2007, 08:36 AM
Time for Haas to finally make it.

leng jai
09-16-2007, 09:02 AM
Yep. The one year he did actually make it he got jibbed by Goran.

Horatio Caine
09-16-2007, 09:04 AM
I wouldn't say that Pics is safe just yet. :confused:

muniu
09-16-2007, 10:31 AM
I think that Top 5 now is safe but Picks :confused: :sad: ?
I just hope that Misha will go to Shanghai :unsure:

l_mac
09-16-2007, 01:09 PM
I don't think Ferrer is a certainty either. Blake, Haas, Gonzo, Ljubicic and even Berdych all should pick up more points than David the indoor season. I hope he holds on though. I think he'll have more chance if the very top players all play Paris.

l_mac
09-16-2007, 01:58 PM
I think, with his win today, Gonzo moves up to 7th on 331 points. Robredo is on 304. Got my sums wrong because I forgot Tommy has played 459 optionals this year.

CmonAussie
09-16-2007, 03:41 PM
It looks like Federer, Nadal, Djokovic, Davydenko, Roddick + Ferrer plus 2 from:

Blake
Haas
Moya
Ljubicic
Gonzalez
Robredo
Berdych
.

:cool:
Cheers:)
...
I really hope Gonzalez makes it~~ his presence @ Shanghai would add a lot of excitment & he`d even been an outside chance to win TMC, given his track record on indoor courts;)
Today`s win in Beijing was an excellent way to get the monkey off his back... can`t believe he slumped for so long but finally Gonzo seems to be back on track:cool:

Of the others I hope Blake also makes it: he`s also an exciting shotmaker & likely to do well on the indoor courts again!!

stebs
09-16-2007, 03:54 PM
I'd say three from this lot will do it

Ferrer - Pics isn't bad indoors. Of course, no big serve means not as many easy points but he is good at feeding off the pace and can get solid results even if it is very unlikely he is going to be reaching the latter stages of the AMS events.

Blake - Blake is hitting form again and although a 4th round at the USO wouldn't really say so his play was good and Haas played awesomely to beat him. He can play indoors but really it's hard to predict results for him but having his fate in his own hands he has good chances.

Haas - Would be great for the game to see Haas in the TMC and he has a fantastic game but slumping to bizarre losses has become a habit and his previous Madrid results haven't been good but he enjoys Paris and has SF'ed there twice so big points aren't unlikely.

Moya - Moya is using his FH to the best of it's abilities and it's the best I've seen Moya for a long time. However, the truth is, glaring weakness on the BH does show against the top players and I don't see him causing big upsets but again, solid showings are in his grasp and he will need them to reach top 8.

Ljubicic - Obviously he can be a monster indoors and if he hits form then he is top 5 indoors for sure and with the right draws a few SF's in Paris and Madrid are very possible as well as the yearly Vienna title. I give him pretty good chances.

Gonzalez - Gonzo appears to be finding form again and indoors is where he picked up the pace last year and if he continues to do so then top 8 in the race is certainly a possibility. He is in the top 8 position so I give him great chances as well.

Robredo - Robredo seems to float by beating lower opposition but I fear that when he gets to play better players earlier in the AMS events he will be outgunned and I don't hold great aspirations for him getting back to the TMC.

Berdych - Former champ on the quick indoors of Paris and famously beat Rafa in Madrid last year so indoors is a time of year when Berdych makes himself heard but his hit and miss play will determine what he does and unless he hits TOP form he is a bit far away from the top 8 to get to the TMC with just solid results.

My picks to get to the top 8 are Ljubicic, Gonzalez and Blake.

CmonAussie
09-16-2007, 03:58 PM
I'd say three from this lot will do it

Ferrer - Pics isn't bad indoors. Of course, no big serve means not as many easy points but he is good at feeding off the pace and can get solid results even if it is very unlikely he is going to be reaching the latter stages of the AMS events.

Blake - Blake is hitting form again and although a 4th round at the USO wouldn't really say so his play was good and Haas played awesomely to beat him. He can play indoors but really it's hard to predict results for him but having his fate in his own hands he has good chances.

Haas - Would be great for the game to see Haas in the TMC and he has a fantastic game but slumping to bizarre losses has become a habit and his previous Madrid results haven't been good but he enjoys Paris and has SF'ed there twice so big points aren't unlikely.

Moya - Moya is using his FH to the best of it's abilities and it's the best I've seen Moya for a long time. However, the truth is, glaring weakness on the BH does show against the top players and I don't see him causing big upsets but again, solid showings are in his grasp and he will need them to reach top 8.

Ljubicic - Obviously he can be a monster indoors and if he hits form then he is top 5 indoors for sure and with the right draws a few SF's in Paris and Madrid are very possible as well as the yearly Vienna title. I give him pretty good chances.

Gonzalez - Gonzo appears to be finding form again and indoors is where he picked up the pace last year and if he continues to do so then top 8 in the race is certainly a possibility. He is in the top 8 position so I give him great chances as well.

Robredo - Robredo seems to float by beating lower opposition but I fear that when he gets to play better players earlier in the AMS events he will be outgunned and I don't hold great aspirations for him getting back to the TMC.

Berdych - Former champ on the quick indoors of Paris and famously beat Rafa in Madrid last year so indoors is a time of year when Berdych makes himself heard but his hit and miss play will determine what he does and unless he hits TOP form he is a bit far away from the top 8 to get to the TMC with just solid results.

My picks to get to the top 8 are Ljubicic, Gonzalez and Blake.

Great post:worship: :cool:
...
My picks [also hopes] are: Ferrer [he`s got one foot in the door anyway], Gonzalez & Blake:D

World Beater
09-16-2007, 05:27 PM
with the remaining pts to be picked up in tms, these players fortunes will be pretty much depend on the draw.

for the sake of entertaining tennis and matchups, i hope ljubicic and gonzalez dont make it. I have nothing against either but i seriously doubt they will challenge the top guys. Haas is capable of playing brilliantly but he is too much of a flake to be a real challenge to the top guns. That leaves blake who's the best of the lot when it comes to challenging the top guys :help:

im hoping hewitt and nalbandian make speedy returns to the top 8

DrJules
09-16-2007, 09:49 PM
I'd say three from this lot will do it

My picks to get to the top 8 are Ljubicic, Gonzalez and Blake.

Ljubicic only has 1 optional with significant room for improvement (5th result 4 points).

http://www.atptennis.com/3/en/players/playerprofiles/racepointsbreakdown.asp?player=L360

Blake similarly (even 5th result is 15 race points).

http://www.atptennis.com/3/en/players/playerprofiles/racepointsbreakdown.asp?player=B676


Conversely Gonzalez can easily gain optional points.

http://www.atptennis.com/3/en/players/playerprofiles/racepointsbreakdown.asp?player=G415

ChinoRios4Ever
09-16-2007, 10:17 PM
Gonzo still alive, vamos!!!

stebs
09-16-2007, 10:57 PM
Ljubicic only has 1 optional with significant room for improvement (5th result 4 points).

http://www.atptennis.com/3/en/players/playerprofiles/racepointsbreakdown.asp?player=L360

Blake similarly (even 5th result is 15 race points).

http://www.atptennis.com/3/en/players/playerprofiles/racepointsbreakdown.asp?player=B676


Conversely Gonzalez can easily gain optional points.

http://www.atptennis.com/3/en/players/playerprofiles/racepointsbreakdown.asp?player=G415

Madrid and Paris are the events that will decide the positions and Ljubicic will make a decent gain if he can threepeat Vienna.

l_mac
09-16-2007, 11:01 PM
Madrid and Paris are the events that will decide the positions and Ljubicic will make a decent gain if he can threepeat Vienna.


Ljubicic has no chance at Vienna this year. The world's greatest all surface player (Nole) is on the entry list for Vienna. :lol:

I think it will be Ferrer, Gonzo and Ljubicic.

Havok
09-17-2007, 03:22 AM
Roddick, Davydenko and Ferrer haven't even officially qualified yet :retard:.

Roddick and Davydenko will surely qualify, though. Ferrer, on the other hand, isn't as of a sure bet as the other two. Blake and Haas to make it to the TMC, and Ferrer/Ljubicic/Gonzalex to fight for the last spot imo.

CmonAussie
09-17-2007, 03:29 AM
Roddick, Davydenko and Ferrer haven't even officially qualified yet :retard:.
Roddick and Davydenko will surely qualify, though. Ferrer, on the other hand, isn't as of a sure bet as the other two. Blake and Haas to make it to the TMC, and Ferrer/Ljubicic/Gonzalex to fight for the last spot imo.


Ferrer is currently in 6th place on 382pts, next is Gonzalez with 331pts~~ so Ferrer has a 51pt lead over 7th;)
While players from 7th->11th are closely bunched, Ferrer has opened up a nice points gap on all of them!!
The chances of Ferrer falling from 6th to 7th or 8th are quite high, but the chances of Ferrer falling from 6th->9th+ are extremely unlikely;)

Trust me~~ Ferrer is a safe bet to make it:cool:

ChinoRios4Ever
09-17-2007, 04:19 AM
Pics is almost IN

CmonAussie
09-17-2007, 04:29 AM
Pics is almost IN


That`s what I keep saying:cool: ~~ but nobody seems to believe me:eek:

Pics basically got the job done by reaching USO SFs & now he`s got a substantial points lead keeping him safe @ 6th & almost a certainty to finish Top-8..

The only way Ferrer doesn`t make TMC is if he`s injured & can`t play the indoor season, even then he`s still a reasonable bet to make it;)

ChinoRios4Ever
09-17-2007, 04:32 AM
That`s what I keep saying:cool: ~~ but nobody seems to believe me:eek:

Pics basically got the job done by reaching USO SFs & now he`s got a substantial points lead keeping him safe @ 6th & almost a certainty to finish Top-8..

The only way Ferrer doesn`t make TMC is if he`s injured & can`t play the indoor season, even then he`s still a reasonable bet to make it;)

Im not sure, but it seems that he dont defend points in the rest of the year, in Madrid he will do well for sure...

Also 2 years ago he reached the QF at Bercy and he lost to Roddick

CmonAussie
09-17-2007, 04:40 AM
Im not sure, but it seems that he dont defend points in the rest of the year, in Madrid he will do well for sure...

Also 2 years ago he reached the QF at Bercy and he lost to Roddick


:wavey:
Mate, not trying to be rude, but you still don`t understand how the ATP points RACE works~~ do you??

"Defending points" doesn`t come into play when we`re talking about qualifying for TMC, the only thing that matters is the points gathered this year [2007] so far;)

Ferrer has 382 race points & sits 6th
Gonzales has 331 race points & sits 7th

~~~normally @ this stage of the year 6th & 7th would be more closely bunched, but 51 points gap is quite substantial, so the chances of Ferrer remaining inside the Top-8 by years end is very high;)

Marek.
09-17-2007, 04:45 AM
I see Pics having a strong end to the year. :cool:

Johnny Groove
09-17-2007, 04:47 AM
If Pics makes it to Shanghai, he will no doubt be the bandwagon of the year :)

ChinoRios4Ever
09-17-2007, 04:50 AM
:wavey:
Mate, not trying to be rude, but you still don`t understand how the ATP points RACE works~~ do you??

"Defending points" doesn`t come into play when we`re talking about qualifying for TMC, the only thing that matters is the points gathered this year [2007] so far;)

Ferrer has 382 race points & sits 6th
Gonzales has 331 race points & sits 7th

~~~normally @ this stage of the year 6th & 7th would be more closely bunched, but 51 points gap is quite substantial, so the chances of Ferrer remaining inside the Top-8 by years end is very high;)

:wavey: take care mate, i understand this ridicouls system, for the race it doesnt matter defend points, it's the points of the year...

Ferrer is 90% IN, the magic number in this case is 400+ points to enter Shanghai, but it's probably that this year we will see many 370 o 380 pointers in the TMC

CmonAussie
09-17-2007, 04:58 AM
:wavey: take care mate, i understand this ridicouls system, for the race it doesnt matter defend points, it's the points of the year...

Ferrer is 90% IN, the magic number in this case is 400+ points to enter Shanghai, but it's probably that this year we will see many 370 o 380 pointers in the TMC

:cool:
my apologies:angel: , sorry you understand the system better than i thought;)
...
~~~as you suggest 400pts is the number that Gonzalez, Blake, Haas etc.. probably require to be certain of qualifying for TMC..

###it would be sweet if Gonzalez & Blake make the final two spots, those guys are exciting to watch~~ especially the indoor conditions probably suit their attacking aggressive play styles [esp the forehand]:devil:

martine2
09-17-2007, 12:08 PM
I hope the remaining 2 will be Moya & Gonzo

Burrow
09-17-2007, 12:11 PM
I hope the remaining 2 will be Moya & Gonzo

Not Canas? :eek:

I want Moya and Canas to make it to the TMC.

leng jai
09-17-2007, 12:11 PM
:cool:
my apologies:angel: , sorry you understand the system better than i thought;)
...
~~~as you suggest 400pts is the number that Gonzalez, Blake, Haas etc.. probably require to be certain of qualifying for TMC..

###it would be sweet if Gonzalez & Blake make the final two spots, those guys are exciting to watch~~ especially the indoor conditions probably suit their attacking aggressive play styles [esp the forehand]:devil:

Exciting to watch if you like brainless ball bashing and awful slice backhands.

CmonAussie
09-17-2007, 01:20 PM
Exciting to watch if you like brainless ball bashing and awful slice backhands.


you don`t think Gonzalez & Blake play an exciting style of tennis:confused:
give me those two guys over davydenko & robredo any day:p

martine2
09-17-2007, 01:48 PM
Not Canas? :eek:

I want Moya and Canas to make it to the TMC.

Of course I'd like Cañas to make it more then anyone else, but I have to be realistic. He achieved a lot already this year, but I guess he needs some time to recover now.

Gulliver
09-17-2007, 02:07 PM
If it came down to improving Optionals, figures are at Sept 17th:

Davydenko (485): 22-22-15-8-5
Roddick (466): 45-40-35-15-15
Ferrer (382): 35-35-27-12-8
Gonzalez (331): 35-11-8
Blake (321): 40-35-24-24-15
Haas (316): 50-27-10-8-8
Moya (315): 35-35-24-15-15
Ljubicic (314): 50-35-35-24-15
Robredo (304): 35-24-18-12

It depends on who plays Bangkok/Mumbai
Tokyo/Metz
Vienna/Stockholm/Moscow
Basel/St.Petersburg/Lyon

Gonzalez has only 3 optionals so is in with a good chance. The others will have to get to QF/SF or better to make it worthwhile.

CmonAussie
09-17-2007, 02:25 PM
If it came down to improving Optionals, figures are at Sept 17th:

Davydenko (485): 22-22-15-8-5
Roddick (466): 45-40-35-15-15
Ferrer (382): 35-35-27-12-8
Gonzalez (331): 35-11-8
Blake (321): 40-35-24-24-15
Haas (316): 50-27-10-8-8
Moya (315): 35-35-24-15-15
Ljubicic (314): 50-35-35-24-15
Robredo (304): 35-24-18-12
.

excellent Gulliver mate, very useful:cool:
...
based on this it looks like Gonzalez`s chances of qualifying are very good & the others above him: Davydenko, Roddick, Ferrer have already qualified in my opinion [though the ATP will try to prolong the suspense];)

thus it looks like only one spot is truly up for grabs & anyone of Blake, Haas, Moya, Ljubo, or Robredo could get there..

World Beater
09-17-2007, 10:50 PM
Federer qualified!


what a great achievement

sierra91
09-17-2007, 11:19 PM
Federer qualified!


what a great achievement

:haha: :haha:

LilyRoseAva
09-17-2007, 11:58 PM
http://www.masters-cup.com/1/photogallery/

baghdatis, murray, berdych, robredo, gonzalez, gasquet, ferrer, ljubicic :o

laure xxx
09-18-2007, 07:03 AM
Roddick, Davydenko and Ferrer have not officially qualified, have they?
And wouldn't Davydenko be in front of Roddick anyhow? :confused:

CmonAussie
09-18-2007, 11:04 AM
Roddick, Davydenko and Ferrer have not officially qualified, have they?
And wouldn't Davydenko be in front of Roddick anyhow? :confused:


Trust me they`ve already accumulated enough points to qualify, but the ATP wants to keep the public in suspense until the last couple of tourneys:devil:

Going on the last 7-years qualification points~~ 400pts has been sufficient to get in.. In that case Roddick & Davydenko are well above that already.. Ferrer has 382pts, so he needs only another 18pts to be safely in.. Basically a couple of wins during the indoor season will ensure Ferrer`s place, even so his current points tally may be sufficient;)

CmonAussie
10-06-2007, 09:00 AM
###
...
by making Tokyo final Ferrer is now mathematically safe~~ qualified for Shanghai TMC<:)

KitinovRules
10-06-2007, 10:17 AM
Gasquet will be very close with win over Berdych today in Tokyo.

vincayou
10-06-2007, 12:45 PM
###
...
by making Tokyo final Ferrer is now mathematically safe~~ qualified for Shanghai TMC<:)

You must be wrong or there is something in the ATP race rules that I missed. Ferrer has 409 points with 2 masters series remaining. He's 6. A victory is 100 points, a final 70 points and a semi 45.

There are 5 players above 315 points. Imagine two of them winning a remaining masters series plus another one playing 2 finals and they would pass Ferrer. Even Roddick and Davydenko are not yet mathematically safe.

stebs
10-06-2007, 07:21 PM
###
...
by making Tokyo final Ferrer is now mathematically safe~~ qualified for Shanghai TMC<:)

He is now safe enough to assume he will qualify but he is NOT mathematically safe.

rocketassist
10-06-2007, 07:23 PM
Boredo better not ruin the tournament again by qualifying. If he does it's because of his MM events.

DrJules
10-06-2007, 07:51 PM
Total points up to finals and the all important best 5 optionals:

7) Gonzalez 331: 35-11-8-0-0
8) Blake 321: 40-35-24-24-15
9) Gasquet 320: 35-35-28-15-10 could go up 15 points if wins Tokyo.
10)Berdych 317: 45-22-15-15-8
11) Robredo 316: 35-24-24-24-18 could go up 11 points if wins Metz.
12) Haas 316: 50-27-10-8-8
13) Moya 315: 35-35-24-15-15
14) Ljubicic 314: 50-35-35-24-15

Gonzalez has easiest task if he uses his optionals. However, Blake, Gasquet, Berdych, Robredo, Haas and Moya + Ljubicic if fit almost all go equal into final 2 master series events.

DrJules
10-06-2007, 07:53 PM
Gasquet will be very close with win over Berdych today in Tokyo.

He does have the advantage of the key Paris Open being at home.

stebs
10-06-2007, 08:20 PM
He does have the advantage of the key Paris Open being at home.

With Gasquet I am not sure if the added support he gets is worth the added pressure he gets. Different strokes for different folks and I think Gasquet actually struggles in front of his home crowd, RG would certainly suggest so.

CmonAussie
10-07-2007, 02:59 PM
He is now safe enough to assume he will qualify but he is NOT mathematically safe.

:wavey:
okie dokes
please show me a scenario where Ferrer doesn`t qualify:confused:
Pics is so far ahead of the guys ranked 7th & 8th~~ there`s no way he`ll drop out of the Top-8;)
infact i expect Pics to finish either 4th or 5th by years end:cool:

stebs
10-07-2007, 03:24 PM
:wavey:
okie dokes
please show me a scenario where Ferrer doesn`t qualify:confused:
Pics is so far ahead of the guys ranked 7th & 8th~~ there`s no way he`ll drop out of the Top-8;)
infact i expect Pics to finish either 4th or 5th by years end:cool:

You do understand that when people talk about things being mathematical it means exactly what it says right? So you are mathematically safe when it is impossible for you to finish outside the top 8.

Get your wording right next time Cmon because what you said simply wasn't true and it is giving false information which is just a stupid thing to do when people ar ereading this thread for information.

Scenario where Ferrer doesn't qualify

Madrid

Winner: Berdych
RU: Gasquet
Semi finalists: Gonzalez, Blake

Paris

Winner: Berdych
RU: Gasquet
Semi finalists: Gonzalez, Blake

PLUS

Gonzalez wins Basel, Gasquet wins Vienna and Blake wins Stockholm whilst Ferrer fails to win another match this year.

Happy now?

Oh, and how do you see Pics overtaking Davydenko and Roddick realistically when you think that they are both better than him on carpet despite Ferrer getting the Tokyo title. Ferrer is still a good lot of wins away from troubling Davydenkko and Roddick, he would have to comprehensively outperform them on a surface where he is the underdog against such players.

CmonAussie
10-07-2007, 03:28 PM
You do understand that when people talk about things being mathematical it means exactly what it says right? So you are mathematically safe when it is impossible for you to finish outside the top 8.

Get your wording right next time Cmon because what you said simply wasn't true and it is giving false information which is just a stupid thing to do when people ar ereading this thread for information.

Scenario where Ferrer doesn't qualify

Madrid

Winner: Berdych
RU: Gasquet
Semi finalists: Gonzalez, Blake

Paris

Winner: Berdych
RU: Gasquet
Semi finalists: Gonzalez, Blake

PLUS

Gonzalez wins Basel, Gasquet wins Vienna and Blake wins Stockholm whilst Ferrer fails to win another match this year.

Happy now?

Oh, and how do you see Pics overtaking Davydenko and Roddick realistically when you think that they are both better than him on carpet despite Ferrer getting the Tokyo title. Ferrer is still a good lot of wins away from troubling Davydenkko and Roddick, he would have to comprehensively outperform them on a surface where he is the underdog against such players.


:cool:
cool you`ve proved your point somewhat~~ that`s all very mathematical:worship:
>>>regardless you & i both know Pics is comfortably qualified for TMC even if he doesn`t win another match the rest of the year;)

Pixie
10-07-2007, 03:39 PM
With Gasquet I am not sure if the added support he gets is worth the added pressure he gets. Different strokes for different folks and I think Gasquet actually struggles in front of his home crowd, RG would certainly suggest so.

There's a gap between struggling at Roland Garros and in front of your home crowd. Gasquet has had good results elsewhere in France - Monte carlo, Lyon, Metz and even in Davis Cup. Without any other evidence yet, he doesn't seem to specially struggle at Bercy.

federated
10-07-2007, 04:28 PM
i really hope gasquet makes it. I love tommy r, but after last year's lame ass performance, I don't want him there.