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Clay: Nadal vs. Agassi?

paschan
05-09-2007, 05:36 PM
I know (and agree to a certain extent) that its stupid to compare players that are not playing at the same time.

Anyway, I think it would have been an interesting matchup to see Nadal take on agassis style where he hits it early, hard and flat. we know that Nadal has problems with that style on other surfaces and that Andre have killed a couple of claycourt specialists during his prime.

What do you all reckon?

Andre♥
05-09-2007, 05:45 PM
Nadal wouldn't lose a set against Agassi on clay.

Agassi's RG win was probably the flukiest RG win ever. What a choke by Andrei! :o

fenomeno2111
05-09-2007, 05:48 PM
Are you serious?? Nadal would wipe the court with Agassi at least on clay.

ReturnWinner
05-09-2007, 06:02 PM
zero chance for Agassi against rafa on clay

stebs
05-09-2007, 06:08 PM
Nadal 10 times out of 10.

Tomy
05-09-2007, 06:11 PM
Rafa would win even playing with his right arm

Fumus
05-09-2007, 06:13 PM
Agassi of the 1990 under gilbert...would be quite a match vs. Nadal. Agassi is just the type of hitter Nadal doesn't like to play.

ReturnWinner
05-09-2007, 06:14 PM
yes but not on clay
Agassi of the 1990 under gilbert...would be quite a match vs. Nadal. Agassi is just the type of hitter Nadal doesn't like to play.

Adler
05-09-2007, 06:14 PM
Agassi's RG win was probably the flukiest RG win ever
He fully deserved it, for example because he played in 2 RG finals before

guga2120
05-09-2007, 06:17 PM
Nadal wouldn't lose a set against Agassi on clay.

Agassi's RG win was probably the flukiest RG win ever. What a choke by Andrei! :o:retard:


And Andre of 1999, that fit and that fast could clearly give Nadal a great match, but Nadal would win, proably 8/10.

sykotique
05-09-2007, 06:20 PM
Agassi might make it to a tiebreaker...

Burrow
05-09-2007, 06:20 PM
andre!!!

Andre♥
05-09-2007, 06:22 PM
He fully deserved it, for example because he played in 2 RG finals before

Look at his draws. See who he had to play in the semi final of 1999...

guillermo
05-09-2007, 06:30 PM
What jerk you are.
Just look at their head-to-head. Nadal even kicked ass on grass with Agassi not having a single break point. How do you think he would manage to beat Nadal on clay? He even got beaten easily in 2005 on hard and declared after the match that he didn´t stand a chance against Nadal. Why don´t you think a bit before you open a thread and saying Agassi was so much better in his prime than in 2005 is bullshit also.
Nadal is the one who has improved since 2005.

sawan66278
05-09-2007, 06:39 PM
Andre may have been the most under-achieving clay court talent ever.

Rafa in four sets.

RonE
05-09-2007, 06:48 PM
Remember how Muster used to spank Agassi on the clay?

Now imagine a spanking tenfold times more embarassing and that is what Nadal would do to Agassi.

CmonAussie
05-09-2007, 06:49 PM
Andre may have been the most under-achieving clay court talent ever.
Rafa in four sets.

:wavey:
Andre was indeed very underated on clay:eek:

Agassi`s career W:L record on clay reads:

Won 157, Lost 52 == 72% of clay court matches won over 20-years [1986-2006]:worship:

RonE
05-09-2007, 06:49 PM
Look at his draws. See who he had to play in the semi final of 1999...

Had Rios beaten Hrbaty I seriously doubt Agassi would have ever won the French. He was very very fortunate.

spriwi
05-09-2007, 06:58 PM
What jerk you are.
Just look at their head-to-head. Nadal even kicked ass on grass with Agassi not having a single break point. How do you think he would manage to beat Nadal on clay? He even got beaten easily in 2005 on hard and declared after the match that he didn´t stand a chance against Nadal. Why don´t you think a bit before you open a thread and saying Agassi was so much better in his prime than in 2005 is bullshit also.
Nadal is the one who has improved since 2005.

:o come on, it was the very end of agassi's carreer... he wasnt playing half the tennis he used too....

nevertheless, i dont think andre would have much to say against nadal on clay...

MisterQ
05-09-2007, 07:13 PM
I think Andre could get a set, as he did against Ferrero and Coria at RG, but would be unable to overcome Nadal on clay.

On hardcourts, a younger Agassi with good mobility would match up well against Nadal, and I think AA would win, but it would still be a real fight to the end.

Rafa = Fed Killa
05-09-2007, 07:20 PM
I am a huge Agassi fan but he would no chance against Nadal on clay.

Would have been fun to see young Agassi against Nadal on hardcourt.

guga2120
05-09-2007, 08:41 PM
Would have been fun to see young Agassi against Nadal on hardcourt. still close, but Andre 8 out of 10 over Nadal on a HC, Nadal 8 out of 10 on clay, imo.

Action Jackson
05-10-2007, 06:19 AM
Agassi of the 1990 under gilbert...would be quite a match vs. Nadal. Agassi is just the type of hitter Nadal doesn't like to play.

Get off the drugs man, didn't you see Agassi look like a little girl when Muster was pounding him on clay. If he couldn't handle that, then he wouldn't be dealing with Nadal.

oz_boz
05-10-2007, 07:35 AM
:lol:

Agassi actually had wins on clay against Muster and Bruguera, but that was before they got anywhere near their best on the surface and Andre was bit of a prodigy. Later on, Andre got absolutely spanked by them on clay even though he had their number on hc.

Nadal 11 times out of 10, Agassi at his very best might win a set.

t0x
05-10-2007, 08:25 AM
Peak Andre would edge him on a HC.

But on clay, I think he'll run Rafa close, but won't be able to win

Action Jackson
05-10-2007, 08:27 AM
Peak Andre would edge him on a HC.

But on clay, I think he'll run Rafa close, but won't be able to win

The question was only asking on clay :)

paschan
05-10-2007, 08:38 AM
Guess I got an opinion :). I agree with most of you and I think Nadal is probably too solid and a too good mover to be outpowered by Agassi. Agassi wasn't a a great mover on clay himself. quite poor actually.

Im not an Agassi fan. The reason I thought it would be an interesting matchup is because agassi took the ball so damn early and had great shotmaking ability. We have seen Nadal been troubled by guys like Berdych and Mathieu before (even though he won in the end).

Thanks for your opinions

Kolya
05-10-2007, 08:39 AM
Nadal will own Agassi's ass...

LeChuck
05-10-2007, 08:47 AM
Nadal would own Agassi on clay no question about that. Agassi wouldn't go down without a fight and would regularly take sets off Nadal, but beat him? No chance.

Action Jackson
05-10-2007, 08:52 AM
Yeah, lets go on about how great Agassi's record was at RG and not actually examine what opposition he faced in this time.

In all that time, he got one semi brutal draw and yes look at the rankings at the time of the players he defeated, it's not exactly top notch and look what happened when he played very good players on clay, he lost.

Perez Roldan and Moya were his best wins on that surface at this event. So keep overrating Agassi on clay.

http://www.atptennis.com/5/en/players/playerprofiles/playeractivity.asp?prevtrnnum=0&year=0&query=Singles&selTournament=520&player=A092&x=16&y=8

Snowwy
05-10-2007, 09:38 AM
Had Rios beaten Hrbaty I seriously doubt Agassi would have ever won the French. He was very very fortunate.

Yes and if JFC beat Roddick in the 2003 USO, Roddick would have never won the USO to this date :rolleyes:

Obviously you can play the dumb if game alll day, but Agassi beat the 7 people he had to play, its not him who decides who he plays.

Forehander
05-10-2007, 11:09 AM
Everything turns around on Clay for Nadal. He's the God, purely unbeatable lol.

Jogy
05-10-2007, 01:30 PM
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Perez Roldan and Moya were his best wins on that surface at this event. So keep overrating Agassi on clay.
Of course is that Agassi would have not chance against Nadal. But I don't think so many people overrate Agassi, they state his record on clay and that he won RG and had other good runs in Paris. If you want to make quality points for tournament roads, then do it. but it does not change that Agassi has winned it and was good enough for winning it.

"Lucky Agassi exactly at time of his good runs he had easy draws and weak field!" <<--- weak to say that



Had Rios beaten Hrbaty I seriously doubt Agassi would have ever won the French. He was very very fortunate.
yes
would, had, could, then he would not
would rain not have come against Medvedev... bla-bla-bla

LeChuck
05-10-2007, 01:39 PM
I think most people have established that Agassi would have no chance against Nadal on clay.
How about Agassi V Federer on the surface?

Jogy
05-10-2007, 01:51 PM
How about Agassi V Federer on the surface?
until 2002 I give Agassi chances because Federer lost to many players until he got so dominating

the last years, I believe Agassi would have no chance against Federer on clay

Action Jackson
05-11-2007, 04:53 AM
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Of course is that Agassi would have not chance against Nadal. But I don't think so many people overrate Agassi, they state his record on clay and that he won RG and had other good runs in Paris. If you want to make quality points for tournament roads, then do it. but it does not change that Agassi has winned it and was good enough for winning it.

"Lucky Agassi exactly at time of his good runs he had easy draws and weak field!" <<--- weak to say that


When I hear someone say Agassi was a wasted talent on clay, then it'd be like you saying that you like Federer or Russians.

Ok, I just provided factual evidence that Agassi had fortunate draws at RG overall. Considering when he met good claycourt players when he was playing well, he didn't beat Coria or Ferrero or was ever going to? He did not beat Muster or Bruguera on clay after they matured, or do you think I am making that up as well?

You want a qualiative analysis. I am not a fan of Sampras at all, but look at his run when he made semis in 96.

R128 Gustafsson, Magnus (SWE) 34 6-1 7-5 7-6(5)
R64 Bruguera, Sergi (ESP) 23 6-3 6-4 6-7(2) 2-6 6-3
R32 Martin, Todd (USA) 18 3-6 6-4 7-5 4-6 6-2
R16 Draper, Scott (AUS) 99 6-4 7-5 6-2
Q Courier, Jim (USA) 8 6-7(4) 4-6 6-4 6-4 6-4
S Kafelnikov, Yevgeny (RUS) 7 7-6(4) 6-0 6-2

The above apart from Draper would be classified as a brutal draw and Agassi never got anything like that.

This being said of course he took advantage of the chance that went his way, and he was good enough to do it and I have said that numerous times.