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What would the Top Ten be if...

IFoughtThe
04-17-2007, 08:26 AM
...wooden racquets returned?

John McEnroe made the case for the being brought back in his slot yesterday on the Artois Tennis Podcast.

The current Top Ten is:

1. Roger Federer
2. Rafael Nadal
3. Andy Roddick
4. Nikolay Davydenko
5. Fernando Gonzalez
6. Tommy Robredo
7. Novak Djokovic
8. Ivan Ljubicic
9. James Blake
10. Andy Murray

What would the Top Ten be if only wooden racquets could be used?

kobulingam
04-17-2007, 09:09 AM
:yawn: yaaawwwnnnnn

Kolya
04-17-2007, 09:14 AM
Borg would be No. 1 :D

IFoughtThe
04-17-2007, 09:30 AM
:yawn: yaaawwwnnnnn

You can yawn all you like, but wouldn't you be curious to see just one tournament played exclusively with wooden racquets?

I think it would be great.

For the record, I think Mr Roddick might struggle with a small-headed wooden racquet. I think he'd be shanking the thing all over the place!

Mateya
04-17-2007, 10:13 AM
Roddick, Gonzo and aspecially Nadal :)

They wood rip those strings and rackets apart :haha:

IFoughtThe
04-17-2007, 10:42 AM
Roddick, Gonzo and aspecially Nadal :)

They wood rip those strings and rackets apart :haha:

Haha

I cannot believe that two people have voted that federer would not be in the Top Ten if wooden racquets were used.

buzz
04-17-2007, 12:35 PM
Haha

I cannot believe that two people have voted that federer would not be in the Top Ten if wooden racquets were used.

probably because Federer would have already retired after winning the calender grand slam four times in a row :shrug:

Yappa
04-17-2007, 12:42 PM
Santoro would be number 1, for sure! :D

lorenz
04-17-2007, 01:16 PM
Santoro would be number 1, for sure! :D

You are right !!!! Fabrice is a genius.

laure xxx
04-17-2007, 01:18 PM
probably because Federer would have already retired after winning the calender grand slam four times in a row :shrug:

Federer will never win the calendar grand slam.

IFoughtThe
04-17-2007, 02:15 PM
Federer will never win the calendar grand slam.

Er, why?

He came within a match of doing it last year.

Chris Seahorse
04-17-2007, 02:29 PM
Everyone except Federer, Murray Djokovic would lose their top ten place. And yes Fab would be in the top 10, although I doubt he would be number 1, as great as the magician is. I mean, come on, he's 34 years old now. :)

jazar
04-17-2007, 03:04 PM
henman would be in there

BlakeorHenman
04-17-2007, 03:06 PM
Mac only says this because he'd probably be world #2 still in this situation

IFoughtThe
04-17-2007, 03:48 PM
Mac only says this because he'd probably be world #2 still in this situation

Actually, if you see him play still these days at the Albert Hall in London, you could believe he might make the Top 100 if everyone had wooden racquets.

Still an amazing player. And a funny bloke to listen to.

Burrow
04-17-2007, 03:52 PM
nadal be would be out, no doubt. In?? from this era, hmmm Henman maybe?

Black Adam
04-17-2007, 04:08 PM
Roddick has already served up to 140 mph with a wooden racket so i figure his game today with less power but more precision would do that badly

IFoughtThe
04-17-2007, 04:16 PM
I think Roddick would really struggle with every shot except the serve, that's the problem.

t0x
04-17-2007, 04:21 PM
Roddick would struggle. Nadal and Robredo would definatley struggle.

Federer would be fine. Djoko would be fine.

Henman would be back up there.

BlakeorHenman
04-17-2007, 04:21 PM
Actually, if you see him play still these days at the Albert Hall in London, you could believe he might make the Top 100 if everyone had wooden racquets.

Still an amazing player. And a funny bloke to listen to.

Well, I didnt actually mean that. I've watched a lot of his matches on the tennis channel... he's still a pretty good player though, yeah. He could kick my ass.

IFoughtThe
04-17-2007, 04:24 PM
What amazes me is how he half volleys so many balls. Totally unique.

Also, he still loses it. He tries to make out it's all an act, but I saw him in Belfast in february and he was F-ing and Blinding like a trooper! He wasn't putting any of that on.

laure xxx
04-18-2007, 12:50 AM
Er, why?

He came within a match of doing it last year.

6 matches does not a grand slam make. Federer will never win Roland Garros.

GlennMirnyi
04-18-2007, 02:18 AM
Djokovic in? He's far from having a great touch and his forehand is heavy. No way.

MisterQ
04-18-2007, 02:26 AM
Djokovic in? He's far from having a great touch and his forehand is heavy. No way.

Have you seen his dropshots recently though? Either he has great touch or he has practiced them incessantly. :lol:

Jlee
04-18-2007, 05:16 AM
Federer could still be #1, but he'd have to step up the serve and volley a lot. Everyone would struggle because they didn't grow up playing with wooden racquets. If they had, tennis in general would look a whole lot different. You would a lot of unexpected people, I think. Players have developed their games, including strategies against opponents, with the current racquets. Guys who wouldn't ordinarily have a lot of power do because of the technology. Basically, it's hard to know.

It does seem like Henman would do well. Any of the serve and volley players left.

uglyamerican
04-18-2007, 05:40 AM
My two favorites in the top 10, Novak and Gonzo, would not do as well working with wood.

IFoughtThe
04-18-2007, 06:49 AM
I can see your point on Gonzalez, but Novak would do just fine - he has such purity in his hitting.

alpay
04-18-2007, 07:48 AM
ljubicic would pulverise 3 wooden rackets per match. take my word for it. :)

IFoughtThe
04-18-2007, 04:09 PM
ljubicic would pulverise 3 wooden rackets per match. take my word for it. :)

I've never seen Ljubicic break a racquet in his life! He's not the type.

GlennMirnyi
04-18-2007, 04:10 PM
Have you seen his dropshots recently though? Either he has great touch or he has practiced them incessantly. :lol:

Not good at the net. His backhand volley is mediocre at best.

guga2120
04-18-2007, 04:23 PM
If anybody has ever hit with that racquet Roddick uses you know its like a hand cannon, I doubt Roddick could serve 145mph if had to use wood, and his whole game is his serve.

IFoughtThe
04-18-2007, 05:39 PM
If anybody has ever hit with that racquet Roddick uses you know its like a hand cannon, I doubt Roddick could serve 145mph if had to use wood, and his whole game is his serve.

I agree. I see you are a fan of Guga.

How do you think he would do?

miura
04-18-2007, 06:16 PM
Roger Federer - Uses a 90(85 before)sq.in. heavy racquet AND is the best player on tour. He would stay.
Rafael Nadal - Uses a 100sq.in. lighter racquet with loads of tech. He is good but would shank a shitload of balls, hard to say if he would lose top10, but he would def lose #2.
Andy Roddick - Relys on his 100sq.in. tech-stuffed PDR, would lose incredible amounts of pace on his serve and drop out of top10.
Nikolay Davydenko - Uses a heavier 95sq.in. He would stay inside top10 if his general game wouldn't let him down.
Fernando Gonzalez - Babolatboy, I'd say out.
Tommy Robredo - Dunlop-paintjob 95sq.in. I'd say he stayed.
Ivan Ljubicic - 100sq.in. tech racquet, heavier than the girlsracquet used by the babolatboys though, hard one, I'd say in.
James Blake - Prince-pj'ed dunlop 95sq.in. VERY heavy, he could easily adapt to a woody and still kick ass.
Novak Djokovic - nBlade 98, light frame, he would drop on rankings.
Andy Murray - Head Prestige, leaded up, I'd say he stayed.

My opinions!

Federerhingis
04-19-2007, 02:40 AM
Have you seen his dropshots recently though? Either he has great touch or he has practiced them incessantly. :lol:

Lets just say hes not a natural at executing a drop shot. It seems like he plays a good drop shot from mishits or not really expecting his shot to go so short. :tape:

How's it going buddy? :wavey:

GlennMirnyi
04-19-2007, 02:45 AM
It's simple: wooden rackets can't handle much spin. Players who play with a lot of spin would vanish. Simple.

Marek.
04-19-2007, 02:46 AM
Roger Federer-Stay
Rafael Nadal-Out
Andy Roddick-Out
Nikolay Davydenko-Stay
Fernando Gonzalez-Out
Tommy Robredo- Probably stay
Ivan Ljubicic-Out
James Blake-Probably stay
Novak Djokovic-Out
Andy Murray-Stay

MisterQ
04-19-2007, 03:01 AM
Lets just say hes not a natural at executing a drop shot. It seems like he plays a good drop shot from mishits or not really expecting his shot to go so short. :tape:

How's it going buddy? :wavey:

I haven't seen him play too many times... Maybe he was having a freak day against Murray in Miami -- every other shot was an exquisite dropper.

I'm great! How are you? :hug:

MisterQ
04-19-2007, 03:18 AM
It's simple: wooden rackets can't handle much spin. Players who play with a lot of spin would vanish. Simple.

I'm not sure it's that simple. While you cannot use tons of topspin with a wooden racket, some is possible. Our current No. 2 uses more topspin than his contemporaries, runs faster and is among the mentally toughest on the tour. A lot like Borg...

Federer too would have to make serious adjustments -- he plays with a lot of spin himself. It's a difficult hypothetical situation because no one would actually play the way they do now. I think that the top players, those with outstanding abilities, would tend to remain there.

GlennMirnyi
04-19-2007, 03:28 AM
I'm not sure it's that simple. While you cannot use tons of topspin with a wooden racket, some is possible. Our current No. 2 uses more topspin than his contemporaries, runs faster and is among the mentally toughest on the tour. A lot like Borg...

Federer too would have to make serious adjustments -- he plays with a lot of spin himself. It's a difficult hypothetical situation because no one would actually play the way they do now. I think that the top players, those with outstanding abilities, would tend to remain there.

But Federer is the player with the less extreme grip, just try to check it out sometime. It's semi-western, but he hits it much flatter than Djokovic, for instance.

MisterQ
04-19-2007, 03:34 AM
But Federer is the player with the less extreme grip, just try to check it out sometime. It's semi-western, but he hits it much flatter than Djokovic, for instance.

Federer's grip adjustment would be less of a change, that I do not dispute. :)

I just think that elements such as great speed, consistency and mental fortitude could still translate to success despite an equipment change.

Metis
04-19-2007, 03:42 AM
I know that this sounds crazy but since Nadal is pretty much ambidextrous he might choose to change to a right-handed forehand since he hits much flatter on that side (just a thought, don't shoot me :lol: ).

GlennMirnyi
04-19-2007, 03:43 AM
I know that this sounds crazy but since Nadal is pretty much ambidextrous he might choose to change to a right-handed forehand since he hits much flatter on that side (just a thought, don't shoot me :lol: ).

But that would be a mediocre shot.

leng jai
04-19-2007, 03:43 AM
Nadal and Roddick would have no hope. Roddick's serve would be useless and Nadal's spin wouldn't be anywhere near as effective.

GlennMirnyi
04-19-2007, 03:47 AM
Most players with heavy shots would have to change completely their games and guys like Stepanek and Ljubicic wouldn't be so penalised by having pretty flat forehands.
Meanwhile, S&Vers would all rise a lot in the rankings. :p

Metis
04-19-2007, 03:57 AM
But that would be a mediocre shot.

Well, under the assumption that everyone's shots would be mediocre for a while and they would all need a period of adjustment :shrug:. I don't know, I think it is very hard to predict how each player would respond and how easily they could adapt to such a big change. I would also tend to think that the younger ones would be able to adapt faster.

Scotso
04-19-2007, 04:06 AM
Probably all of them.

Kolya and Tommy might stay, they don't rely on power as much as the others.

GlennMirnyi
04-19-2007, 04:42 AM
Well, under the assumption that everyone's shots would be mediocre for a while and they would all need a period of adjustment :shrug:. I don't know, I think it is very hard to predict how each player would respond and how easily they could adapt to such a big change. I would also tend to think that the younger ones would be able to adapt faster.

The fact is that some players already have shots not so extreme, and that supposes they'd simply start from a point above the players who have extreme shots.

Chris Seahorse
04-19-2007, 04:50 AM
Lets just say hes not a natural at executing a drop shot. It seems like he plays a good drop shot from mishits or not really expecting his shot to go so short. :tape:

How's it going buddy? :wavey:

You can say whatever you want, but it seems fairly obvious you haven't seen Djokovic play for a while. :p

Action Jackson
04-19-2007, 04:53 AM
Oscar Hernandez would be number 1.

yomike
04-19-2007, 05:02 AM
All of them except for Federer. Henman would be top number 2

brent-o
04-19-2007, 05:39 AM
Roddick and Nadal especially. Roddick because without the huge pop on his serve, he wouldn't be as effective. Nadal's heavy topspin would be difficult to generate with a wooden racquet.

Kolya
04-19-2007, 05:59 AM
How about Hewitt? He hits it pretty flat.

IFoughtThe
04-19-2007, 09:59 AM
How about Hewitt? He hits it pretty flat.

McEnroe reckons Federer would still be way out in front - probably further.

Hewitt is an interesting one. Decent point that.

I remember McEnroe and Becker writing a petition to the ITF about it at Wimbledon a few years back.

Nice to see it being raised again.

I know Andy Murray thinks there should be a tournament that requires just wooden racquets.

Quite refreshing to hear.

leng jai
04-19-2007, 10:03 AM
Oscar Hernandez would be number 1.

You forget that Oscar can be no.1 with any racquets. He just can't be bothered.

IFoughtThe
04-19-2007, 08:27 PM
You forget that Oscar can be no.1 with any racquets. He just can't be bothered.

Who is Oscar Hernandez when he's at home??

Allure
04-19-2007, 10:26 PM
Nadal would be out.

ReturnWinner
04-19-2007, 11:48 PM
coria,canas,gaudio and henman,and stepanek (very classic game, not need very much power) should be pretty good

federerfan7465
04-20-2007, 12:19 AM
McEnroe always motions for this tired idea.

its silly, its stupid.

it will never happen.

Wannabeknowitall
04-20-2007, 01:19 AM
You might be surprised but a player like Stephanek would be in the top five for a while.
Davydenko would still be in the top 10 because he plays so much.

Because Rafa is so fit and strong, he probably would still be able to put enough spin on the ball and run around like crazy to annoy players to be in the top ten.

Hrbaty would be in the top ten.
He's the only player I know who is still on tour playing with a continental grip.

Andy Roddick wouldn't be in the top ten but would be a threat at Wimbledon.
James Blake wouldn't be in the top ten.
Gonzalez wouldn't be in the top ten.

Tim Henman would be though.

Wannabeknowitall
04-20-2007, 01:30 AM
Nadal and Roddick would have no hope. Roddick's serve would be useless and Nadal's spin wouldn't be anywhere near as effective.

Nadal has the ability to hit flat on both sides.
There's nothing saying he couldn't still be consistent with flat groundstrokes.
And with his pretty good net passes he could break apart player's games like Chris Evert, the man's version of Chris Evert.

Medina
04-20-2007, 01:35 AM
I say Nadal, cause he applies so much topspin on his shots, and he will break hois strings constantly

IFoughtThe
04-20-2007, 08:51 AM
I say Nadal, cause he applies so much topspin on his shots, and he will break hois strings constantly

Thing is, Borg used to use a lot of top spin, and he didn't have any problems.

MisterQ
04-20-2007, 10:28 AM
Topspin aside, in Nadal's case, I think people are underestimating how far his physical gifts (remarkable speed and strength) and mental strength could carry him in any era.