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Monte Carlo camera positioning (aka: Monte Carlo and its phantom ball)

thunder2006
04-16-2007, 08:38 PM
Why is it always hard too see the tennis ball during a rally in this tournament especially when its sunny. I wish they would have a camera from the other side of the court or a closer position. I find it difficult to follow the rallies. Does anyone else find this to be an issue?

BlackSilver
04-16-2007, 08:51 PM
Yes...... assuming you are referring to the camera of the main court.
Not only that, but what I find worse, is a sensation that the game is ocurring too fast.

thunder2006
04-16-2007, 08:54 PM
Yeah the main court. The other court is much better too see the rallies. Though when its overcast it is easier too see. I hope this week the weather is cloudy so i can enjoy the matches more than when its sunny....

sodman12
04-16-2007, 08:54 PM
Prolly just the fact that a yellow tennis ball is difficult to see on red clay

thunder2006
04-16-2007, 08:59 PM
Prolly just the fact that a yellow tennis ball is difficult to see on red clay

Yes somewhat agree but at least in Rome, and Paris even when its sunny you can still see the ball much clearer than this tourney. It seems the way the sun is positioned on this specific main court and how the camera angle is.

danton
04-16-2007, 08:59 PM
I recorded today onto DVD (despite Tim losing and Andy retiring i'm quite chuffed as I also got to see Tursunov lose) and I thought it was the quality of my recording as I had it on the lowest setting to be able to rec as much as possible. Sometimes you can see the ball and sometimes it just phases out as if it completely disappears.

Yappa
04-16-2007, 09:56 PM
Yeah, Monte Carlo is quite bad in that regard. Even on TV it can be very difficult to see the ball. Now imagine how it must be for those ppl (like me) who have to rely on streams.

scoobs
04-16-2007, 10:41 PM
It's only in the morning, I think, though - the angle of the sun first thing causes an odd reflective glare off the court and the ball does seem to disappear and reappear from it. But even when the sky is clear, in the afternoon it seems fine again.

ezekiel
04-16-2007, 10:46 PM
it's horrible and unwatchable , these people can't help themselves :(

sawan66278
04-16-2007, 11:39 PM
I agree...even last year during the epic Rafa/Roger final, it was SO hard to see what was going on...unless there was a passing cloud.

donna karen
04-17-2007, 04:47 AM
Monte Carlo is better than Rome. Thats when you wait for the slow motion replays to exactly what kind of a winner was hit.

trixtah
04-17-2007, 04:50 AM
The camera is terrible especially on center court. I can see the ball clearly on the other courts. What I like even better than a good aerial camera angle is the camera angle from behind the players.

Monte Carlo is better than Rome. Thats when you wait for the slow motion replays to exactly what kind of a winner was hit.

lol

Yeah, Monte Carlo is quite bad in that regard. Even on TV it can be very difficult to see the ball. Now imagine how it must be for those ppl (like me) who have to rely on streams.

ouch, your eyes must be 10 degrees worse O_o

Adler
04-17-2007, 05:21 AM
I don't understand your complaints. I've seen all matches on centre court yesterday and not only the camera positioning was very good, but I was also able to see the ball as well. And I've been watching it on cable, not digital TV
Besides, courts here look more red than orange for me

nevermind
04-17-2007, 05:40 AM
Just be happy , what about the people who can't see any
Monte Carlo on TV ?:wavey:

Xristos
04-17-2007, 05:48 AM
Agree 100%

belco
04-17-2007, 05:51 AM
i will suggest that next year they use bright green balls :)

martine2
04-17-2007, 06:24 AM
Honestly, I can't see the ball at all- although my vision is slightly worse than that of Mr. Magoo's. :p


Or perhaps you weren't really looking at "the ball"....:angel:

W!MBLEDON
04-17-2007, 06:28 AM
It seems like it's sooooo high up... I'm practically squinting to see the rallies. :/

Tom Paulman
04-18-2007, 03:47 PM
I found quite a good way to watch the match on bwin fullscreen. If you have Mac OS X, go to System Preferences -> Universal Access and turn Zoom on. Then click Options and in the "When zoomed in, the screen image moves" box check "only when the pointer reaches an edge". Then you can zoom the screen using apple+alt+the key next to backspace and you'll have no problems to see the ball.

I guess that you can do the same in Windows, but don't have a clue how since I work on Windows occassionally.

SLICK
04-18-2007, 05:26 PM
The camera is too high for centre court which makes it very difficult to see the ball especially if you are watching on a portable tv. The camera needs to be much closer to the action.

martine2
04-18-2007, 05:28 PM
Implying what exactly, that I was distracted? Pffffft. I am immune to all the muscles, the clay smeared on them like war paint, the grunting, the clingy/sweaty shirts that look like they've been attached to them via steel grip glue, the shorts that they have apparently purchased from the children's section...*whew*

Sorry I got lost for a second...hey martine, what was your question again? :angel:

Never mind.... just enjoy :angel: :angel:

federerfan
04-18-2007, 07:13 PM
JB once explained that the camera is positioned as it is due to the court's location with the sea. It's in the opposite cardinal position to those at other tournaments.

LinkMage
04-18-2007, 08:12 PM
I find it difficult to see the ball, the camera seems to be too high.

I wish they would change the color of the balls. It was hard for me to follow the balls on hard courts when the courts were light green. It was a great decision to make all hard courts blue, it makes it much easier to see the ball.

On clay you can't change the color of the courts, so why not change the color of the balls?

LinkMage
04-29-2007, 03:38 PM
Just for the fact you can't see the fucking ball on TV. I thought it was because the contrast between the ball and court colors was low. But watching Barcelona that is not the case. The ball can be seen very clearly and I can follow the points instead of guessing where the ball is like in Monte Carlo.

Billabong
04-29-2007, 03:45 PM
You want Monte Carlo to be downgraded because of that:eek:??
It has always been one of the most interesting tournaments, it has history, it's a beautiful sight and the atmosphere is always great:yeah:

gusman890
04-29-2007, 03:48 PM
You cannot see the ball on ether, (then again, I use a livestream :D).

Thats not reason to not like a tournament.

Andre'sNo1Fan
04-29-2007, 03:48 PM
Just for the fact you can't see the fucking ball on TV. I thought it was because the contrast between the ball and court colors was low. But watching Barcelona that is not the case. The ball can be seen very clearly and I can follow the points instead of guessing where the ball is like in Monte Carlo.
I don't want it to be downgraded, but I agree the ball is very difficult to see.

Sunset of Age
04-29-2007, 03:48 PM
^^ Indeed. Downgrading Monte Carlo for *that* reason would be completely :smash:. Perhaps OP is one of Mr. Disney's affiliates. :p

LinkMage
04-29-2007, 03:52 PM
I agree it's a nice tournament, but it's pointless to watch it when you can't follow the matches on Center Court.

How can't someone notice this problem? It shouldn't be that hard to lower the freaking camera.

ezekiel
04-29-2007, 03:54 PM
I am glad it's downgraded because of no see ball and rich people thinking they have a location and don't care to upgrade it and improve it , the retarded reason to keep it is because it has "nice scenery" like it makes any differerence :retard:

qczi
04-29-2007, 03:54 PM
and do you think if it were downgraded you would see the ball?

LinkMage
04-29-2007, 03:59 PM
You want Monte Carlo to be downgraded because of that:eek:??
It has always been one of the most interesting tournaments, it has history, it's a beautiful sight and the atmosphere is always great:yeah:

Yes, but I watch tournaments to see the matches, not because of the history or atmosphere. Those are secondary things. The main thing is to enjoy matches and see great tennis. But when you can't see the ball, you can't enjoy it. What is the fun of guessing where the ball is?


You cannot see the ball on ether, (then again, I use a livestream :D).

Thats not reason to not like a tournament.

Why isn't that a reason not to like the tournament? I want to see the matches, and when you can't see the ball, you can't enjoy them.

What is a valid reason not to like a tournament then?

Frooty_Bazooty
04-29-2007, 04:00 PM
You are a fucking moron

I second this. Maybe you cant see the ball cos you havent turned the tv on yet :rolleyes:

Bobby
04-29-2007, 04:02 PM
Surely that's not a reason big enough to downgrade an event. But I think that's an issue that should be given some thought. History, location and reputation are all very nice, but they don't mean much if you can't see the bloody ball!

LinkMage
04-29-2007, 04:02 PM
and do you think if it were downgraded you would see the ball?

No, but many of the top players would be playing on a different place.

guille&tati4life
04-29-2007, 04:03 PM
I agree it's a nice tournament, but it's pointless to watch it when you can't follow the matches on Center Court.

How can't someone notice this problem? It shouldn't be that hard to lower the freaking camera.

I find that the ball becomes easy to see after adjusting to it for 5 minutes :shrug:.
One of the best tournaments of the season and i'm very unhappy that it's being downgraded :(

*julie*
04-29-2007, 04:03 PM
:rolleyes:

Let downgrade all the outdoor MS... I can't see the matches when it rains.

Strangelove
04-29-2007, 04:04 PM
Yes, but I watch tournaments to see the matches, not because of the history or atmosphere. Those are secondary things. The main thing is to enjoy matches and see great tennis. But when you can't see the ball, you can't enjoy it. What is the fun of guessing where the ball is?Sounds to me something needs upgrading, instead of downgrading. Namely your glasses.

LinkMage
04-29-2007, 04:05 PM
I second this. Maybe you cant see the ball cos you havent turned the tv on yet :rolleyes:

You are the moron if you can't see the night and day difference between Monte Carlo and Barcelona.

I was just watching Nadal-Caņas and I saw the ball very clearly. I can't say the same for the matches in Monte Carlo.

LinkMage
04-29-2007, 04:07 PM
Sounds to me something needs upgrading, instead of downgrading. Namely your glasses.

No, there are many people who had difficulty following the ball. There was a thread about this issue on this forum with many people complaining about this problem.

I don't know why they can't place the camera in a lower position.

Fed-Express
04-29-2007, 04:09 PM
Quality thread. Even hh's form does not do this justice.

Frooty_Bazooty
04-29-2007, 04:11 PM
You are the moron if you can't see the night and day difference between Monte Carlo and Barcelona.

I was just watching Nadal-Caņas and I saw the ball very clearly. I can't say the same for the matches in Monte Carlo.

i never had a single problem seeing the ball in Monte Carlo. And even if people couldnt see the ball, thats such an absurd (and easily changeable) reason to downgrade such a prestigious tournament.

If it was really such a problem, maybe they could do something drastic like changing the balls?

LinkMage
04-29-2007, 04:21 PM
i never had a single problem seeing the ball in Monte Carlo. And even if people couldnt see the ball, thats such an absurd (and easily changeable) reason to downgrade such a prestigious tournament.

If it was really such a problem, maybe they could do something drastic like changing the balls?


Yes, it's easy to fix, but nobody bothers to do it. Why? I don't know. It shouldn't be that difficult to place the camera lower. Or as you say, change the ball's color.

Castafiore
04-29-2007, 04:23 PM
I never had problems seeing the ball either (well, hardly ever) :shrug:

*julie*
04-29-2007, 04:23 PM
I don't know why they can't place the camera in a lower position.

You want them to downgrade Monte Carlo and you admit they just have to lower a camera. I don't see your logic...

CyBorg
04-29-2007, 04:24 PM
I saw the ball perfectly in Monte Carlo. This was an ESPN feed.

I can't see the ball at all for Barcelona. This is a Tennis Channel feed.

LinkMage
04-29-2007, 04:26 PM
You want them to downgrade Monte Carlo and you admit they just have to lower a camera. I don't see your logic...

No, I want it to be downgraded IF they don't fix this problem. It should be so easy to fix...

LinkMage
04-29-2007, 04:29 PM
I saw the ball perfectly in Monte Carlo. This was an ESPN feed.

I can't see the ball at all for Barcelona. This is a Tennis Channel feed.


You were watching on TV or from the Internet?
ESPN broadcasted Monte Carlo and ball was very difficult to see on Center Court. On Court 1 it was perfect.
Fox Sports broadcasted Barcelona and I had no trouble seeing the ball.

Yappa
04-29-2007, 04:39 PM
It's a well known fact that you can't see the ball as well as in the other clay tourneys.
I'd still choose Monte Carlo over Hamburg though, and that although I live in that city.

thunder2006
04-29-2007, 06:07 PM
Yes its true it was tougher to see the ball at Monte Carlo centre court versus Barcelona and the other clay events. The camera is too high as it makes the ball smaller and difficult to follow especially when its really sunny......BUT i still love monte carlo and hope it stays as a master's series tournament...

GlennMirnyi
04-29-2007, 06:13 PM
Yes, let's downgrade tournaments because it's hard to see the ball! :D :D :D

Black Adam
04-29-2007, 06:18 PM
Just for the fact you can't see the fucking ball on TV. I thought it was because the contrast between the ball and court colors was low. But watching Barcelona that is not the case. The ball can be seen very clearly and I can follow the points instead of guessing where the ball is like in Monte Carlo.

Seeing that the world revolves around your dearest desires, how about you getting a good pair of glasses and a good plasma screen.

Action Jackson
04-29-2007, 06:21 PM
So nominations for Thread of the Year.

Burrow
04-29-2007, 06:35 PM
im not a fan of monte carlo, just dont like the courts, atmosphere...I could see the ball clearly.

Mechlan
04-29-2007, 06:35 PM
There are better ways to fix not being able to see the ball than downgrading the entire tournament. And there are far better reasons to keep the tournament than not being able to see the ball.

For the record, I agree with you that the ball is virtually impossible to see. They need to do something to fix that.

mir
04-29-2007, 08:37 PM
Hope they keep it as a MS. Been there this year and it's a great tourny. Not only a beautifull club and atmosfeer but even if you didn't get a ticket to centre court your able to watch from all kind of good spots.
Access to practise courts is just great.
It's been the best tournament I been to till now. :yeah:

CmonAussie
04-29-2007, 09:29 PM
***
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The should do something about the angle & position of the cameras at Monte Carlo..

It wouldn`t be too hard, ~just takes a bit of common sense & perhaps some money.. Then armchair fans willl get a much better picture!

SBruguera
04-29-2007, 09:36 PM
Is the Barcelona clay darker?
Is because hasnīt been a sunny week there?
Maybe the clay was more wet?

I donīt know, but the contrast on my TV was perfect and in Monte Carlo I couldnīt watch the ball.

But downgrading a tournament just for that is :bs:

*Viva Chile*
04-29-2007, 09:37 PM
Another contender for the ACC has arrived :rocker2:

sodman12
04-29-2007, 09:58 PM
Is the Barceoona clay darker?
Is because hasnīt been a sunny week there?
Maybe the clay was more wet?

I donīt know, but the contrast on my TV was perfect and in Monte Carlo I couldnīt watch the ball.

But downgrading a tournament just for that is :bs:

Pretty sure he doesn't say thats the reason he wants it downgraded, just said that since he can't see the ball hes happy that he will be able to watch a tennis tournament where he can see the ball instead.

neenah
04-29-2007, 10:01 PM
But inability to see the ball gives you the freedom to create your own points. That can be more exciting! :p

SBruguera
04-29-2007, 10:05 PM
But inability to see the ball gives you the freedom to create your own points. That can be more exciting! :p

Yes, thatīs good, you can even imagine that Fed won the final 6-0, 6-0 and go to bed with a :) in your face.

neenah
04-29-2007, 10:11 PM
Yes, thatīs good, you can even imagine that Fed won the final 6-0, 6-0 and go to bed with a :) in your face.

Ooh, and you can make players double fault on match point, or miss easy volleys. Now that I think about it, who needs the ball ever?!

sodman12
04-29-2007, 11:41 PM
Ooh, and you can make players double fault on match point, or miss easy volleys. Now that I think about it, who needs the ball ever?!

Everyone else whos not crazy

moon language
04-29-2007, 11:47 PM
This topic is just ... wow.

:eek:

Sean.J.S.
04-30-2007, 08:34 AM
How is downgrading it meant to make the ball easier to see on TV? :rolleyes:

CyBorg
04-30-2007, 02:53 PM
You were watching on TV or from the Internet?
ESPN broadcasted Monte Carlo and ball was very difficult to see on Center Court. On Court 1 it was perfect.
Fox Sports broadcasted Barcelona and I had no trouble seeing the ball.

Admittedly the tennis channel feed was on the Internet. That may have had an impact. The ESPN feed (tv) looked good to me.

Fumus
04-30-2007, 02:58 PM
Too many masters.

Who cares about MC...

Lets get one on grass finally.

uNIVERSE mAN
04-21-2008, 11:12 AM
Year after year, players at Monte Carlo play with an invisible ball, I honestly can't see shit! If I can't see it, no one can.

Action Jackson
04-21-2008, 11:13 AM
I can see the ball without any problems.

bokehlicious
04-21-2008, 11:17 AM
Always the same refrain with that shitty clay... :zzz: :zzz: :o

Yappa
04-21-2008, 11:19 AM
And it won't change anyway. Monte Carlo is the shittiest tournament in the world in that regard.

Why isn't it possible to position the camera a little bit lower?

zicofirol
04-21-2008, 11:20 AM
I cant see the ball either...lol

NicoFan
04-21-2008, 11:25 AM
I love clay, but I will admit that the ball is extremely difficult to see. :sad:

Why not make the balls another color that is easier to see?

They change the court colors in hardcourt tennis to allow spectators and people watching on TV to see the ball better.

Shouldn't be a big deal to change the color of the balls so people can see it against the red clay better...

finishingmove
04-21-2008, 11:28 AM
so true...

the ball is virtually invisible at times , not always though

Guigr
04-21-2008, 11:31 AM
How do you watch Murray-Lopez on Betfair? They advertise it on their main page but it doesn't appear on Live Video.

Edit: Ok I figured it out, wrong country:sad:

zicofirol
04-21-2008, 11:35 AM
bring back the white tennis balls!

Tennis-Engineer
04-21-2008, 11:49 AM
This problem still exists.In other courts except central court that cameras are lower, I can see the ball easier.

mikkemus23
04-21-2008, 11:56 AM
Watching Lopez-Murray on AMS-TV right now, and its really hard to see the ball. Lower camera angle would help I think.

dijus
04-21-2008, 11:56 AM
true
but same story was in Indian Wells for me :o

anon57
04-21-2008, 11:58 AM
The problem with AMS-TV is most the camera angle, on the Court-des-Princes feed the ball still isn't really clear but at least its somewhat visible

FedererSlam
04-21-2008, 12:07 PM
I see it fine...infact it's better than most tournaments for me

yanchr
04-21-2008, 12:09 PM
It's so frustrating. I'm torn between using other streams and AMS TV which actually works perfect for me except for that damn invisible ball! I tried bet365 and the screen is brighter with better color contrast, and most important, the ball is more visible! But I don't want to use other stream since I paid for AMS TV :mad:

FedererSlam
04-21-2008, 12:10 PM
I think it's quite good coverage compared to say Madrid or Paris....ekk

BlakeJamitis
04-21-2008, 12:12 PM
Yea, at one point I just stopped watching. Got tired of straining to see the damn ball. lol

Timbo
04-21-2008, 01:05 PM
Just buy a decent TV you cheapskates!

More importantly, have you noticed how many dodgy bounces there have been already? and not just off the lines either.

maconick
04-21-2008, 01:08 PM
yer monte carlo always has this problem yet most other clay tournaments dont, I think they maybe adjust the lighting on the camera.

Henry Chinaski
04-21-2008, 03:19 PM
it's a big conspiracy to get us all to splash out on HD television sets

Timbo
04-21-2008, 03:27 PM
I think you're right...Guga can't seem to see it either :)

sawan66278
04-21-2008, 06:02 PM
Even in HD, on a $1,600 television set, the ability to see the ball clearly is almost nonexistent. :mad:

alfonsojose
04-21-2008, 06:07 PM
Dark balls, please :angel:

Adler
04-21-2008, 06:10 PM
Dark balls, please :angel:
Yeah! Bring them on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

dijus
04-21-2008, 06:10 PM
it's a big conspiracy to get us all to splash out on HD television sets

nope, even in HD tv set it's hard to see the ball :o

Lee
04-21-2008, 06:38 PM
nope, even in HD tv set it's hard to see the ball :o

But I can see the marks made by the ball. :lol:

r2473
04-21-2008, 06:41 PM
I can see the ball without any problems.

Could we all come over and watch with you. None of the rest of us can see $hit.

OSmeone
04-21-2008, 06:53 PM
I can't see the balls across the internet, but that is the case with most tournaments.

Garson007
04-21-2008, 07:14 PM
Actually strange that they never changed the yellow ball to something more television friendly as most of the revenue comes from there.

Alex999
04-21-2008, 07:59 PM
I'm just watching the Murray vs. Lopez match on a 42" plasma TV and I can't see the ball. This is so frustrating.

Corey Feldman
04-21-2008, 08:11 PM
Seen some highlights earlier and it really is difficult indeed :o

what is the answer? purple clay? blue balls?

octatennis
04-21-2008, 08:14 PM
i can not see it either. i going to by a LCD, maybe with that screen i can see the ball.

Corswandt
04-21-2008, 08:17 PM
The problem with AMS-TV is most the camera angle, on the Court-des-Princes feed the ball still isn't really clear but at least its somewhat visible

Exactly.

With the Indian Wells broadcasts I had the same problem - much more with the ATP matches than the WTA ones for some reason.

Alex999
04-21-2008, 08:18 PM
i can not see it either. i going to by a LCD, maybe with that screen i can see the ball.

It won't matter, I have a high quality plasma HD TV and it's impossible to see the ball. They need to position cameras differently I think.

r2473
04-21-2008, 08:19 PM
what is the answer? purple clay? blue balls?

No, don't think that is the answer;)

star
04-21-2008, 08:51 PM
I read this title and thought of people dancing dressed in masks and long capes. :)

star
04-21-2008, 08:53 PM
Seen some highlights earlier and it really is difficult indeed :o

what is the answer? purple clay? blue balls?

I vote for blue balls. :)

thunder2006
04-21-2008, 08:56 PM
I can't see the ball either on my 50" inch TV. I strain just to try even when its a later match without much sun on the court. The camera angle is not the best and it makes for a tournament that is not exciting to watch:(

Corey Feldman
04-21-2008, 08:59 PM
I cant see the ball In my CINEMA MOVIE screen at the back of my $30,000,000 PALACE either

tennizen
04-21-2008, 09:01 PM
I cant see the ball In my CINEMA MOVIE screen at the back of my $30,000,000 PALACE either

Mikey:haha: Exactly the kind of post required when people describe the size of their huge TV's:lol:

Lee
04-21-2008, 09:14 PM
I played the recording I had for Guga's match. It's not even HD quality and I watched on not so big LCD TV. Except when the ball was flying high, I could see it most of the time. Not as good as on hard court in IW but still.

Tiklish
04-21-2008, 09:19 PM
I've been watching tennis on a plain old ordinary television since the 80's and this was the first time ever I couldn't see the ball, at all. Well, except when it was being bounced. Late in the first set of the Feli/Murray match they changed to a much lower camera and I could see it fine then. I'm hoping that's a sign they realized it was invisible from that high camera. I've never had a problem seeing the ball in clay tournaments before. In Acapulco, for instance, it was perfectly clear.

Yappa
04-21-2008, 09:24 PM
I played the recording I had for Guga's match. It's not even HD quality and I watched on not so big LCD TV. Except when the ball was flying high, I could see it most of the time. Not as good as on hard court in IW but still.

Yes, at least the 2nd half of the Guga match was watchable, since it was the start of the sun setting. As I said: Let's hope for a cloudy sky. The sun is our worst enemy in that regard.

Using a different ball color actually doesn't sound that bad IMO. Just compare it to soccer and their yellow balls in winter. Nobody complains about it.

It won't matter, I have a high quality plasma HD TV and it's impossible to see the ball. They need to position cameras differently I think.

Yes, that's what they need to do.

tennizen
04-21-2008, 09:26 PM
I think this thread can help people decide which television to buy: LCD or Plasma, 42" or 50" etc. If you can see the ball in MC, then its a great choice:yeah:

Burrow
04-21-2008, 09:26 PM
When I watch on the tele, easy to see, no problem whatsoever, so I seriously worry about you guys eye sight. But I watch on mastersseriestv now and it can be difficult.

NinaNina19
04-21-2008, 10:21 PM
I cant see the ball In my CINEMA MOVIE screen at the back of my $30,000,000 PALACE either

:haha:Can I come over to your place:lick:?

LinkMage
04-21-2008, 10:44 PM
Always the same shit with Monte Carlo. Only tournament in the whole year where you can't see anything.

decrepitude
04-21-2008, 10:46 PM
Hey, now I feel much better about not being to see the ball on the livestream on my elderly 17" monitor.

There I was, blaming my failing eyesight.:(

Alex999
04-21-2008, 11:03 PM
Seriously guys, I can't believe how bad it is. I was looking forward to this tournament. It's impossible to see the freaking ball. I can't believe that they are not aware of the problem.

LinkMage
04-21-2008, 11:10 PM
Time to bump this and get flamed by the dirtball lovers again. :p

rocketassist
04-21-2008, 11:16 PM
I couldn't see the ball either.

Shite.

octatennis
04-21-2008, 11:17 PM
this tournament is great!! the only bad thing is that the fucking ball can not being seen sometimes. i love this tournament....

onewoman74
04-21-2008, 11:30 PM
I cant see the ball In my CINEMA MOVIE screen at the back of my $30,000,000 PALACE either

:lol:

LOL!!

camnation
04-22-2008, 12:27 AM
Heh, good to hear that a lot of people are having trouble seeing the ball because I thought I was the only one. The only time I can really see it is during the slow-mo, otherwise I follow the ball by looking at puffs of clay on the surface, whoo hoo!

jhappy
04-22-2008, 12:32 AM
Yeah... darkly colored tennis balls for Monte Carlo (maybe Indian Wells as well) is a good idea. If your'e watching a match going on midday, the sun makes the clay look brighter and the ball difficult to see. Morning or evening matches aren't so bad. I wonder why ATP hasn't cottoned on yet.

BaselineSmash
04-22-2008, 12:46 AM
I'm not sure the shipment of tennis balls reached the tournament in time, even though Monte Carlo looks out on the Med and is readily accessible to boats. The tournament director has seemingly convinced everyone to mime their matches in the mean time. I'd give Lopez the "Mime of the Day" award, but Lapentti was excellent today also.

brent-o
04-22-2008, 12:52 AM
Just for the fact you can't see the fucking ball on TV. I thought it was because the contrast between the ball and court colors was low. But watching Barcelona that is not the case. The ball can be seen very clearly and I can follow the points instead of guessing where the ball is like in Monte Carlo.

You think this is bad, wait til Rome. I can actually see the ball here.

LinkMage
04-22-2008, 01:03 AM
You think this is bad, wait til Rome. I can actually see the ball here.


Rome? Never had a problem there.

yuiwer
04-22-2008, 01:15 AM
Yes, it´s impossible to see the ball. :mad:

Scotso
04-22-2008, 01:15 AM
I don't think it's the clay, the FO doesn't have this problem. It's this tournament, it's the same every year.

sawan66278
04-22-2008, 02:03 AM
I paid over $14.00 U.S. dollars to see the "air guitar" version of professional tennis. Pathetic.

nolop
04-22-2008, 02:27 AM
Just for the fact you can't see the fucking ball on TV.

Exactly. :worship:

nolop
04-22-2008, 02:30 AM
Year after year, players at Monte Carlo play with an invisible ball, I honestly can't see shit! If I can't see it, no one can.

Exactly, it's the only clay tournament where I can't see the ball at all, I thought it was just my TV provider or my eyes. :)

JimmyV
04-22-2008, 02:30 AM
http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/4814/montecarlodb9.jpg

JimmyV
04-22-2008, 02:30 AM
http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/4814/montecarlodb9.jpg

Cheloveko4as
04-22-2008, 03:15 AM
I don't think it's the clay, the FO doesn't have this problem. It's this tournament, it's the same every year.
I saw the ball pretty well in 1997-1999 seasons
:lol:

Marek.
04-22-2008, 03:19 AM
I paid over $14.00 U.S. dollars to see the "air guitar" version of professional tennis. Pathetic.

LOL

Clay Death
04-22-2008, 03:20 AM
http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/4814/montecarlodb9.jpg

what a setting. i must make it there someday. the tournament is not going anywhere.

it will retain the points and its very rich tradition and prestige. nobody but the usual cowards will skip it.

sawan66278
04-22-2008, 03:21 AM
The only other solution: use the "flaming puck" they used for a while on NHL broadcasts.

krystlel
04-22-2008, 07:54 AM
I used to have a big TV and was able to see it fine last year with it, but it broke about a month ago. :( I can't see it on this 58cm TV, could hardly see anything but it is a bit better now I have changed the colour settings and it is better when it's not as sunny because I could not see it at all earlier on.

leng jai
04-22-2008, 07:57 AM
It was the Director's intention for you not to see the ball.

Acer
04-22-2008, 08:06 AM
Wouldn't it be interesting if the players had the same problem on court, it would be like a whole new game.

Action Jackson
04-22-2008, 08:13 AM
Just watching the stream now and no problem seeing the ball.

decrepitude
04-22-2008, 10:22 AM
Just watching the stream now and no problem seeing the ball.
Perhaps you haven't got an elderly 17" CRT monitor with the sunlight causing reflections? :)

decrepitude
04-22-2008, 10:24 AM
It was the Director's intention for you not to see the ball.
It adds to the excitement, not knowing who has won the point until the umpire calls the score!

Action Jackson
04-22-2008, 10:24 AM
Perhaps you haven't got an elderly 17" CRT monitor with the sunlight causing reflections? :)

I have average eye sight at best, I don't have the TV on as I am watching the computer, it's not a problem for me.

anon57
04-22-2008, 10:29 AM
I don't think it's the clay, the FO doesn't have this problem. It's this tournament, it's the same every year.
It's definately not the clay, if I try to watch thc CC court stream om my pc the ball is barely visible but on the court 1 stream, I can see the ball just fine. It's the camera angle on CC, I think

stebs
04-22-2008, 10:31 AM
Just watching the stream now and no problem seeing the ball.

It's easy to see it when the sun is not over the court.

decrepitude
04-22-2008, 10:31 AM
It's definately not the clay, if I try to watch thc CC court stream om my pc the ball is barely visible but on the court 1 stream, I can see the ball just fine. It's the camera angle on CC, I think

I just came back to post the exact same thing. I only watched Court Central yesterday, but this morning I can see the ball quite well on Court des Princes.

Action Jackson
04-22-2008, 10:37 AM
It's easy to see it when the sun is not over the court.

Yes, I have watched this event for years and if anything they could make the clay a bit darker.

I can see the ball on Centre Court on a bright day, the other TV court it's easier.

stebs
04-22-2008, 11:27 AM
I can see the ball on Centre Court on a bright day

Impressive. I can't.

leng jai
04-22-2008, 12:20 PM
GWH's eyesight has been trained up for claycourt viewing.

star
04-22-2008, 01:52 PM
Without divulging anything about my TV ;) I am able to see the ball well in the forecourt but have a little trouble when it goes to the backcourt.

Scotso
04-22-2008, 04:19 PM
I paid over $14.00 U.S. dollars to see the "air guitar" version of professional tennis. Pathetic.

Demand a refund!

Down with corporations!

rocketassist
04-22-2008, 04:21 PM
I have to sit forward on the floor on a bean bag to see the tennis.

Booo.

Henry Chinaski
04-22-2008, 04:37 PM
I can see ok once my eyes adjust. If I watch a match on Princes and then switch over to central I can't see shit though.
Tried to watch Murray-Lopez replay at about 3am last night but it was just waayyy too much effeort trying to focus at that time of night.

Any contact email address in this thread? Too lazy to go through it.

Fumus
04-22-2008, 05:10 PM
Yea it's really hard, it's not the clay or anything it's the world feed coming from MC that sucks, it looks really granular for some reason. In years past it's always looked good but just for some reason this year it looks poor. Oh well, I'll still watch...I just pray for overcast days.

lorenz
04-22-2008, 06:18 PM
In Argentina, with the ESPN feed, in the Central Court the ball is invisible at times , not always
Anyway, Montecarlo is great tournament, is one of my favs.

dylan24
04-22-2008, 06:45 PM
very hard to see the fucking ball

zolbol
04-22-2008, 08:39 PM
Is anyone else having difficulty in following the flight of the ball in matches broadcasted from the main court? Even though the rest of the picture quality appears fine (as received in South Africa), not seeing the ball makes watching the tennis a waste of time. This was also the case last year, though at Roland Garros there was no problem. For the first time there was also a problem at Indian Wells when the ball reached the far side and appeared to get lost as the court colour changed from blue to green. I've checked it out on other TV sets in other homes and everyone I have spoken to agrees with me. So, is this just a problem in South Africa or are others experiencing it too?

Herdwick
04-22-2008, 08:40 PM
Isn't it just the height/angle of the camera position?

hilluis
04-22-2008, 08:41 PM
It's too high. The other court ( des Princes) is much better in that you can track the ball more easily. However, didnt seem as bad today as yesterday.

Fee
04-22-2008, 08:51 PM
There is a same thread on this exact topic already on the first page of GM. Your thread is probably going to be combined into it.

Fumus
04-23-2008, 08:49 PM
Sucks.

nolop
04-24-2008, 01:53 AM
ESPN commentators said that the reason why the ball can't be seen very well was because the players play with too much pace. :bs:

Albop
04-24-2008, 01:55 AM
ESPN commentators said that the reason why the ball can't be seen very well was because the players play with too much pace. :bs:

are you serious ?

:spit:

camera sucks hard :(

nolop
04-24-2008, 01:57 AM
are you serious ?

:spit:

camera sucks hard :(

Yes, I think Javier Frana and that other guy who covers mostly all transmissions said that.

NinaNina19
04-24-2008, 04:51 AM
ESPN commentators said that the reason why the ball can't be seen very well was because the players play with too much pace. :bs:

Even the dropshots:eek:? These guys are amazing.

KoOlMaNsEaN
04-24-2008, 04:57 AM
I've just given up on watching Monte-Carlo. No use watching tennis if you can't see the ball

FedFan_2007
04-24-2008, 09:51 AM
I can follow the ball somewhat...

anon57
04-24-2008, 01:30 PM
ESPN commentators said that the reason why the ball can't be seen very well was because the players play with too much pace. :bs:
:spit: :lol: Then I guess the players on Court 1 play with a lot less pace:rolleyes:

HNCS
04-24-2008, 01:35 PM
i think years of live streaming and youtubing..... i've gotten used to the fact of not seeing the ball and just learned how to work out what happened without seeing the ball. :lol:

OSmeone
04-26-2008, 08:27 AM
I can actually follow the ball now by seeing the trail it leave on my screen - maybe an advantage of having a slowish connection.

Corswandt
04-26-2008, 11:07 AM
GWH's eyesight has been trained up for claycourt viewing.

I suppose that, for GWH, owning up to not seeing the ball even on a specific TV broadcast of a specific claycourt tournament would mean admitting to a blemish in that ideal perfection that is claycourt tennis, so he goes into denial mode.

Aurora
04-26-2008, 12:22 PM
I've noticed for me it gets better when time passes during the day. I gave up on Davydenko-Andreev 'cause I couldn't see shit. But a few hours later Fed-Nalby and Ferrer-Nadal the ball was much better visible. So I guess the light plays a role too.

Sunset of Age
04-26-2008, 12:48 PM
I've noticed for me it gets better when time passes during the day. I gave up on Davydenko-Andreev 'cause I couldn't see shit. But a few hours later Fed-Nalby and Ferrer-Nadal the ball was much better visible. So I guess the light plays a role too.

You couldn't see shit during that match? It was all I saw. :p

Kristen
04-26-2008, 04:24 PM
I'm another casualty of poor ball visibility :sad: [That sentence made no sense, but you know what I mean!] Also, they were showing Federer or someone good... their highlights coming up to the current round he was in. OHH the camerawork, left, right, up, down, backwards and forwards....all at once. Made me dizzy =( Still, tennis on tv = good.

Labamba
04-13-2009, 01:58 PM
finally it's possible to see the ball clearly due to the new camera position/angle :worship:

miura
04-13-2009, 02:00 PM
Yeah, it's excellent now. They had to add a new stand on the south side of the court to comply with the regulations for being a Masters Event (Had to be able to seat 10,000 people on the show court). They also decided to place the camera at the new stand and now they've fixed the old ball visibility issue!

Deivid23
04-13-2009, 02:07 PM
Yup, good surprise this morning

FerrersLinda
04-13-2009, 02:10 PM
Odd, I couldn't see the ball during the Monaco-Chardy match but now I can see it clearly.:scratch: Must have been to early for me.:p

Lee
04-13-2009, 05:19 PM
Yeah, it's excellent now. They had to add a new stand on the south side of the court to comply with the regulations for being a Masters Event (Had to be able to seat 10,000 people on the show court). They also decided to place the camera at the new stand and now they've fixed the old ball visibility issue!

I miss the great view of the sea though :awww:

Burrow
04-13-2009, 05:22 PM
I've seen the ball well every match I have watched so far.

LinkMage
04-15-2009, 12:00 AM
Finally!

Can't believe it took this long to fix this obvious problem but now we won't have to guess where the ball is anymore.

octatennis
04-16-2010, 02:32 AM
why every single year we have to complain about this? switch to blue clay clowns.

Sjengster
04-16-2010, 02:40 AM
I don't know why you have to complain every year either, I've never had special problems following the ball in MC and sight is probably my worst sense.

Action Jackson
04-16-2010, 02:43 AM
Eat more carrots or save up your cash and get a new TV.

Rafa = Fed Killa
04-16-2010, 02:54 AM
Eat more carrots or save up your cash and get a new TV.

X2

octatennis
04-16-2010, 02:56 AM
thanks for the advise guys, watching tennis stream in a computer with internet connect to the telephone line is not good.

Sjengster
04-16-2010, 03:01 AM
thanks for the advise guys, watching tennis stream in a computer with internet connect to the telephone line is not good.

Live streaming is a whole different game, it's quite remarkable finding one where it isn't hard to see the ball.

Action Jackson
04-16-2010, 03:09 AM
Live streams, got to take what you can get. Sometimes the streams are HD and very clear and others might as well just be watching snow.

Jimnik
04-16-2010, 03:29 AM
Actually I see the ball much much better this year. I'm pretty sure they moved the camera to the other end of the court. It's now positioned on the Mediterranean side I think.