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Nocko
10-02-2005, 02:10 PM
This is an article from the Times. Not specifically written about Roger or tennis but about the geniuses in sports. I like the part in which the author compared Roger to Sampras cuz I've been thinking of the same since long ago.

A little long but worthy of reading, I think.
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The Times September 30, 2005

Illusionists who shade the rest with nothing to declare except their genius
By Simon Barnes


Everyone uses the term genius for Roger Federer. As with Warne, the term is self-evident, not a hint of controversy. The greatest tennis player that lived, in terms of grand-slam victories, is Pete Sampras, with 14, as compared with Federer’s six and counting. No one considered Sampras a genius.

For that matter, the greatest achiever in the history of sport has never been called a genius. Sir Steve Redgrave is everybody’s idea of sporting greatness and if five Olympic gold medals do not make you a genius, it is crystal clear that genius is not the same thing as sporting excellence.

Let us go back to tennis. Sampras’s game was based on naked force of will. His chief weapon was usually considered to be his serve. In fact, it was his second serve: not only accurate and safe, but also brutally competitive. That reflected not his skill but his nerve. This is not a prosaic quality. Sampras, like Redgrave, has the world’s respect but from both, the word genius is withheld.

Federer's game is different. It is shockingly various. He is as myriad-minded as ever Shakespeare was. He can play shots that no one else can, he can make the ball do things that you would think impossible. There is an aesthetic beauty to his game, as well as a sense of purpose. There is a kind of magic about it that we find deeply pleasing to watch.

A sporting genius seems to have been let off the laws of physics. Gravity does not pull him down. A ball will behave not as Newton said, but according to some grander and more idiosyncratic world view. Warne makes a cricket ball behave with a new and elusive logic; Federer puts tennis ball and opponent on contrary strings; Zidane leaves defenders and goalkeepers lunging at air.

Those who possess these talents often fall in love with them. All athletes go out to win. Sampras set out to win by means of will, Federer by means of genius :yeah:. All methods of winning have their drawbacks and a sporting genius can fall in love with his own gifts, and find himself seeking to create art and beauty above mere victory.

But to do so, even in the debased sporting use of the term, is to betray both sport and genius. If genius in sport is not used entirely for the purpose of seeking victory, it is an empty thing, a mere decoration: to be a Henri Leconte or a Rodney Marsh. If we accept that sport can bring out a kind of genius, we must also accept that in sport — even though on occasions they coincide gloriously — genius and greatness are not the same thing.

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I think that in Roger's case genius and greatness come together "gloriously". Thank God. :worship:


:worship: Thanks soonha! yeah, I agree with you. I like this article. Beautiful and :cool:

SUKTUEN
10-02-2005, 03:33 PM
I have many chinese Roger's articles too

PaulieM
10-02-2005, 10:40 PM
24 and counting
Federer exends finals win streak with Thailand title
Posted: Sunday October 2, 2005 10:41AM; Updated: Sunday October 2, 2005 10:41AM

BANGKOK, Thailand (AP) -- Roger Federer captured the Thailand Open for the second straight year Sunday, defeating British teenager Andy Murray 6-3, 7-5. Federer, ranked No. 1, has won 24 consecutive ATP finals, including seven this season.

"I had to work hard to get to this point," Federer said. "There are tough challengers, but not this week. I'm amazed with myself, and hopefully I'll keep doing this in the future.

Murray said playing for a title against Federer was more memorable than making the third round at Wimbledon.

"I was not expected to reach the finals in the start of the tournament," he said. "Only at 18 and to play the finals of an ATP tournament gives me a lot of confidence for the future."

The top-seeded Federer sees promise in Murray's game.

"He's got a repertoire of shots, he has slice and his volley is all right," Federer said. "He reads games well. He has potential to become a good player. Consistency is what's missing in his game, and he's not 100 percent sure of his game."

Federer raced to a 3-0 lead after nine minutes, thanks to two double-faults by Murray that gave the Swiss star a break in the second game.

Murray pulled to 4-2 with an ace and forced deuce several times in the next game in long rallies. In the second set, Murray dropped the opening game and fell behind 3-1. But he chased down the balls to make it 3-3 as Federer missed an easy forehand. Federer finally took charge at the net and broke for a 6-5 lead.

Federer fought back from a break point to set up the championship point after Murray netted a backhand. The match ended with Murray repeating the mistake.

SUKTUEN
10-03-2005, 04:34 PM
thanks

Stevens Point
10-03-2005, 06:46 PM
www.shanghaidaily.com

Federer vows to battle all the way
Zhou Zuyi
2005-10-04 Beijing Time

WORLD No. 1 Roger Federer promises to go all the way when he returns to Shanghai next month to defend his Masters Cup title.

The Swiss is unlikely to be dislodged from his top world ranking after winning his 11th title of the season at the Thailand Open on Sunday. He has won two grand slams this year — the Wimbledon and US Open.

"I have achieved the goals I set for myself at the beginning of the year but I will still go all out to finish strong here in Shanghai," Federer said.

"The Tennis Masters Cup is a special tournament. By winning it, you establish yourself as the best of the best."

Federer was in the city yesterday to unveil the venue that will host the Tennis Masters Cup for the next three years.

The 24-year-old Swiss, whose reign at the top of the ATP rankings entered the 88th week yesterday, joined Shanghai Vice-Mayor Yang Xiaodu to throw open the Qi Zhong Tennis Center to the public.

The eight-piece retractable roof at the center court in the suburban Minhang District will ensure that matches are not affected by poor weather conditions.

The 15,000-seater stadium will host all the matches of the 2005 Tennis Masters Cup, which is slated for November 13-20. The world's top eight men's singles and doubles players will battle it out at the season-ending tournament for a combined prize purse of around US$5 million.

The event was last held in Shanghai in 2002 but was staged in an interim facility at Pudong's International Expo Center.

Shanghai started the ambitious Qi Zhong Tennis Center project two years ago to provide a permanent home to the championship, which will stay in town for three years.

With its unveiling yesterday, it has become one of Asia's largest tennis facility that covers 80 hectares and consists of 40 indoor and outdoor courts.

"I have many good memories from my last Tennis Masters Cup in Shanghai, especially the friendliness of the people here," Federer said yesterday. "The new stadium adds new color to the tournament which returns to the city and will definitely make it a merrier experience for us to play in Shanghai again."

Federer lost to eventual winner Lleyton Hewitt of Australia in the 2002 semifinal here. But this time round he will return as a clear favorite and bid for his third straight Masters Cup title. He has won the coveted trophy twice in the past two years when the championship was played in Houston, US.

Federer's 2005 record is 77-3 and his last defeat was by Nadal in the French Open semifinals on June 3. He has won his last 24 finals, beating Britain's Andrew Murray 6-3, 7-5 in the Bangkok final on Sunday.

Others who have qualified for Shanghai include Spanish teen sensation Rafael Nadal, American Andy Roddick and Hewitt. Other four berths are still open for contention. In the doubles, American twin pair of Bob and Mike Bryan, Jonas Bjorkman (Sweden) and Max Mirnyi (Belarus), and Zimbabwe duo Wayne Black and Kevin Ullyett have also secured their berths.

http://www.shanghaidaily.com/img/news/200510040144_8-federer-b.jpg

Stevens Point
10-03-2005, 09:30 PM
You can see here Roger in Shanghai. I would say opening the roof is pretty cool. :eek:

http://real.xobix.ch/ramgen/sfdrs/vod/spak/450k/spak_20051003.rm?start=0:11:50.233&end=0:13:54.112 (high)
http://real.xobix.ch/ramgen/sfdrs/vod/spak/spak_20051003.rm?start=0:11:50.233&end=0:13:54.112 (low)

soonha
10-04-2005, 12:55 AM
You can see here Roger in Shanghai. I would say opening the roof is pretty cool. :eek:

http://real.xobix.ch/ramgen/sfdrs/vod/spak/450k/spak_20051003.rm?start=0:11:50.233&end=0:13:54.112 (high)
http://real.xobix.ch/ramgen/sfdrs/vod/spak/spak_20051003.rm?start=0:11:50.233&end=0:13:54.112 (low)
Thanks for the images, Stevens.

BTW, happy birthday! :hug:

Stevens Point
10-04-2005, 09:16 AM
Thanks for the images, Stevens.

BTW, happy birthday! :hug:
Thank you very much, soonha!! :hug: :wavey:

Daniel
10-05-2005, 04:03 AM
Roger 'FedEx' Federer back to defend title


STAR ATTRACTION: World No. 1 Roger Federer of Switzerland (centre) is surrounded by Chinese fans before the opening ceremony of Shanghai Qizhong Tennis Centre yesterday. – APpic
SHANGHAI: In 2002, the last time Roger Federer was in Shanghai, he was a promising but still unproven world No. 6. Yesterday he was back, world No. 1 and the undisputed king of the game.

A few weeks back in 2003 had made all the difference, he said.

The Swiss had just gone down to unheralded Peruvian Luis Horna in the opening round of the French Open, prompting many, including Federer himself, to question whether he would ever realise the full potential of his huge talent.

Weeks later, the answer was clear as Federer stormed to the first of his three Wimbledon titles.

“After Horna people were asking if I would be a great player. So the 2003 Wimbledon came at the right time,'' Federer said.

“That one month was a turning point.''

Since then, Federer has won with amazing consistency, claiming a record 24 consecutive ATP finals victories stretching back to 2003, including the last two Masters tournaments held in Texas.

While Federer cited those weeks in May and June of 2003 as the pivotal moment, had a harder time describing the reasons for his success since then.

“I really can't say. Maybe more mental than anything else,'' Federer said.

Federer was back in China's commercial hub for the opening of the city's Qizhong Tennis Centre – so new the plastic covers are still on the seats – where he'll defend his Masters title next month.

The round robin tournament featuring the top eight ranked men's players begins Nov. 13.

The champion was the centrepiece of an elaborate ceremony featuring pounding music, screaming hand-picked fans and a People's Liberation Army colour guard – a reminder of the communist state's heavy hand in sports development.

Federer closed the ceremony by helping press an oversize tennis ball that opened the 15,000-seat stadium's unique retractable roof made of eight leaf-shaped pieces.

As dry ice blew and lasers beamed, it cracked open to reveal a slate gray sky and light drizzle.

China hopes the centre, located in a fast developing suburb a half hour west of the city, will help speed up the development of more players such as Olympic doubles champions Li Ting and Sun Tiantian.

While growing in popularity, tennis is played by far fewer Chinese than other racquet sports such as badminton and table tennis, in which China dominates world competition.

“We hope this will become a major training base for Chinese players.

“We hope it will produce the Yao Mings and Liu Xiangs of tennis,'' Sun Jinfang, head of the Chinese tennis association, said, referring to China's internationally famous basketball and athletics stars.

China is hosting the tournament at least through 2007, promising to turn the tennis world's focus to Asia at the end of each season.

“The tennis world is really happy to see such a big tournament returning to Asia,'' said Federer, who lost in the 2002 semi-finals to Australia's Lleyton Hewitt. – AP




I am happy Roger says Horna is the person who made a huge difference in his game and career. :) :p

Daniel
10-05-2005, 04:05 AM
Federer the Greatest? Too Early to Tell

By Luke Johnson, Tennis-X.com Editor


Roger Federer winning the US Open crown last month did two things. First, it gave the 24-year-old his sixth Grand Slam title and second, it threw more fuel on the fire on the latest hot debate in the game -- Is the Swiss star in fact the greatest tennis player ever?





For his part, on the surface Federer has done nothing in the last two-plus years of dominance to suggest otherwise. However, at last check, Roger had less than half of reigning tennis king Pete Sampras's 14 career Slam titles and 64 overall tour victories.

Despite that, fans, media and even many tennis legends have collectively sewn their lips to back of Mr. Federer’s shorts proclaiming him the best ever, period. ESPN tennis analyst Luke Jensen announced just that on a late edition of Sportscenter following the US Open finale.

But before we jump to such claims, just what has Roger done to warrant such praise? Fact is, his career 6-0 record in Slam championship matches is absurd, and perhaps only eclipsed in absurdness by his ridiculous mark of 24 straight tournament finals wins -- a record that this writer believes may never, ever, ever be broken. Ever!

On the other hand, Sir Rog still comes up short when compared to Pete's lesser contemporary, Andre Agassi, who has the greater resume at the moment compared to the Swiss. Agassi has won every Slam, won the Olympics and won the Davis Cup (not to mention he’s hooked with his own former WTA player who’s got a few more trophies in the case than Fed’s squeeze, Ms. Mirka). Heck, at 35 years he nearly pulled off one of the greatest upsets in tennis history if he were to have defeated Federer in that US Open title showdown.

Despite the loss in that match, it's more than fair to put Agassi ahead of Federer at this period of time in terms of overall greatness and excellence in men's tennis history.

And what about icy Swede Bjorn Borg? Many authorities in the sport suggest that the toughest feat in the game -- besides the calendar Slam -- is to win the French Open and Wimbledon back-to-back. Borg did that not once, not twice, but three times! So where does that leave the Swede in the conversation?

Point is, it is simply way too early to declare Mr. Federer the "King of Swing." A simple way to look at it is to ask yourself, if Roger decided to retire tomorrow, would you consider him the greatest player ever? Didn't think so.

That's not to say he will never be, but let's give him time. Two-plus years of dominance does not make him the greatest, but he's surely on the right path. So in the meantime, can't we just enjoy the ride?

nobama
10-05-2005, 04:13 AM
I read that article. What annoys me about it is it's primarily the press and other players (like Drysdale and JMac) that keep going on about how Roger's the greatest ever, and then someone else comes along and says 'no, not yet - to early.' But it's not like Roger's paying people to go out there and talk him up as the greatest player ever. In fact in the ESPN Magazine story about him (printed before Wimbledon), Roger himself said that at age 23/24 he cannot be considered the best ever and that with technology advancements and other changes in the game it's very hard to say who is the best. So if anyone is annoyed by this "greatest ever" talk, blame the press and some of the retired players. They're the ones talking him up as the greatest thing since sliced bread.

Daniel
10-05-2005, 04:44 AM
Federer Keeps Winning and Winning and Winning


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Top seed Roger Federer increased his record winning streak in ATP finals to 24 when he defeated first-time ATP finalist Andy Murray 6-3, 7-5 in 1 hr., 26 min. in the final of the Thailand Open on Sunday.

The victory ensures that Federer will for the second consecutive year win the INDESIT ATP 2005 Race and finish as the year-end ATP World No. 1. He is 392 points clear of second-placed Rafael Nadal in the Race.

The World No.1 successfully defended a title for the seventh time this season, having already won Dubai, Indian Wells, Hamburg, Halle, Wimbledon and the US Open for the second consecutive year earlier in the season.

For the first time in his career the Swiss won a fifth consecutive title, having won titles in Halle, Wimbledon, Cincinnati and the US Open since his most recent loss to Nadal in the Roland Garros semifinals.

Federer improved to an ATP best 77-3 record on the season by winning his 11th title of the season.

The Swiss star notched his 31st consecutive match win – the longest streak of his career and the longest by any player since Thomas Muster won 35 straight matches in 1995.

Federer remains on course to top 80 match wins in a season for the first time in his career.

A capacity crowd of 8,500 created an electric atmosphere for the final as Federer won his fifth consecutive match of the week without dropping a set.
Both players won more than 70% of points when they got their first serves in, however Murray had a first serve percentage of 45% compared to Federer’s 54%. Murray saved six of nine break points he faced.

Federer won Murray’s first service game and raced to a 3-0 lead in the first set. He led 6-4 3-2 with a break before Murray broke back to level the second set at 3-3.

Federer dictated play with a variety of shots, wrong-footing Murray, stretching him wide in the court, drawing him into the net and jamming him with serves into the body.

Wild card Murray was appearing in his first ATP final after taking out three seeded players: No.7 Paradorn Srichaphan, No. 5 Robin Soderling and No. 3 Robby Ginepri.

Murray, 18, had not reached an ATP quarterfinal before this week. He is 12-9 on the season and on Monday will become the youngest player from Great Britain since 1974 to break into the Top 100 of the INDESIT ATP Entry Ranking.

Murray has won two Challenger titles this year: Aptos in July and Binghamton in August. Both tournaments were played on hard court. He also reached the third round of Wimbledon and Queen’s during the grass season.

DOUBLES FINAL

Top seeds and first-time pairing Paul Hanley and Leander Paes rallied from a set down to defeat second seeds Jonathan Erlich and Andy Ram 5-6(5), 6-1, 6-2 to win the Thailand Open doubles title.

Hanley won his fourth title of the year with a fourth different partner: San Jose (w/ Arthurs), St. Poelten (w/ Arnold) and Indianapolis (w/ Oliver). Paes had previously won two titles in 2005 with Nenad Zimonjic: Masters Series Monte-Carlo and Barcelona.

Erlich and Ram, who came into the tournament in ninth place in the ATP Doubles Race, boosted their chances of qualifying for Tennis Masters Cup Doubles for the first time. The Israeli duo was chasing its third title of the year, having won in Rotterdam and Nottingham. Erlich and Ram won the Bangkok title in 2003.


WHAT THE PLAYERS SAID

Federer: "He was hanging tough on my service games and broke me at 6-4, 3-2. I had to be careful not to let the momentum shift, and at the end I had to play some tough points to stay in control and close it out. In finals you have to get a really good start, and I wanted to put pressure on him from the start. I could have closed it out earlier today and it was a little disappointing to let him back in.

“Murray has a big repertoire of shots, a lot of qualities, however, he's got to figure out how he wants to use his potential. If he works hard he'll be a good player. I was impressed by him."

"I keep the finals streak going and it is a lot of pressure but I've been in this situation before so many times and I rely on all my experience to better myself."

(Asked if he's sick of winning) "I'm not getting sick of winning. I've worked very hard to get to this point. There are many challenges out there and I'm amazed with myself on all the winning and the records."

(Asked if he'd rather lose a historic match or win an easy match) "I'd rather win ugly than lose. There was a match I played this year at the Australian Open against Safin which lasted four and half hours. It was a great match but I walked off the court a loser. I'd rather be the winner."

(Asked for his opinion on having a more major events in Asia) "It would be great to have a Masters Series event in Asia. There are a number of them in Europe and North America and it would be great for one of them to come over here (Asia)."

Murray: "I started erratic. My first service game I was up 40-15 and then lost it for him to race to a 3-0 lead after he held serve. When I won my second game (at 1-4), I started to relax more. You feel like you have to go for it against him and I was going for the lines too much. At 5-all in the second (set), I lost the first point and then he went into control and ran off with it from there.

“I've never been to the quarters before let alone a final. I've played well to get to the final. I'm still young, I'll keep working on all my game and I hope it all comes together in a few years. This result of reaching the final will have an effect on my future. It gives me so much confidence when I'm only 18 and have so much to work on."

Hanley: "This is the first time I've played with Leander and the first time I've played in Bangkok. It was a great experience to play with Leander as his experience is fantastic and he's so into it. It was also enjoyable playing on the backhand side for a change. This is my 11th title and fourth for the year. I'll be back to defend it next year."

Paes: "It was an absolute pleasure to play with Paul this week. He has one of the best sets of hands on the tour; he works hard on his game and believes in his ability which makes him a stand-out on the tour. It's been a few months since I've won a title and it shows once again when I play Davis Cup I usually carry into the next event which I've done here and won the title. Today was a tough first set but we concentrated on playing better and at the end it was convincing."

soonha
10-05-2005, 05:30 AM
I read that article. What annoys me about it is it's primarily the press and other players (like Drysdale and JMac) that keep going on about how Roger's the greatest ever, and then someone else comes along and says 'no, not yet - to early.' But it's not like Roger's paying people to go out there and talk him up as the greatest player ever. In fact in the ESPN Magazine story about him (printed before Wimbledon), Roger himself said that at age 23/24 he cannot be considered the best ever and that with technology advancements and other changes in the game it's very hard to say who is the best. So if anyone is annoyed by this "greatest ever" talk, blame the press and some of the retired players. They're the ones talking him up as the greatest thing since sliced bread.
Although I agree that it's too early to tell Roger is the greatest ever, I got the feeling that the American press still tends to look down Roger as just an "European Sampras" or something like that. It seems that they just don't want to see that Sampras' legend will be shattered by some European guy.

However, the press people like Cliff and the old players like JMac or Laver seem to sincerely think of Roger as the greastest ever(or at least superior to Sampras). IMO, it's because they appreciate Roger's never-seen-before yet classy all-round tennis more than his domination or GS wins. When Sampras was at Roger's age and had already won 7 GS, did they talk about him as the greatest? I don't think so. The reason why this "the greatest" talk keeps coming is that it's for Roger and people sense something special from him. In other words, he is THAT good. :angel:

lunahielo
10-05-2005, 10:35 AM
Originally posted by soonha
people sense something special from him. In other words, he is THAT good.
Yes, and it seems that more and more people from all areas of life, and from all countries, are starting to realize that watching him play is watching something *very special*.

A case in point: Recently I had some remodeling done on my house. There was a man here going over some of the details with me and I clicked on my computer to look up something for him.

A picture of Roger came on the screen. He said "Are you a Roger Federer fan"? I said *Yes, are you a tennis fan?*
He said, "No, but I have heard so much about this guy Federer, I am going to try to catch his next match on TV." :)

The guy went on to say he didn't even know how tennis was scored, but he wanted to see this amazing player. :) :)
So~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ;)
(I live in the southern USA~~no big tennis tournaments nearby)

Puschkin
10-05-2005, 10:56 AM
quoting
Luke Johnson, Tennis-X.com Editor

Despite the loss in that match, it's more than fair to put Agassi ahead of Federer at this period of time in terms of overall greatness and excellence in men's tennis history.?

Plain and simple: no! Even for the risk of bad reps ;)

quoting
Luke Johnson, Tennis-X.com Editor

Agassi has won every Slam, won the Olympics and won the Davis Cup (not to mention he’s hooked with his own former WTA player who’s got a few more trophies in the case than Fed’s squeeze, Ms. Mirka).

:devil: The debate is on Agassi's and Roger's achievements, not on those of their partners. Stupid argument!

nobama
10-05-2005, 11:11 AM
At the link below you can download highlights of Roger v Pete 2001 Wimbledon. The video is pretty much highlights of Roger. :D One thing I noticed though is John McEnroe saying saying stuff about Federer that he still says today. Like how he has every shot in the book, how well he moves on court, his serve, ect. For a minute I thought I was watching Wimbledon 2005! :lol:

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=3Z1OO63C

nobama
10-05-2005, 11:16 AM
IMO, the American press still tends to look down Roger as just an "European Sampras" or something like that. It seems that they just don't want to see that Sampras' legend will be shattered by some European guy.

However, the press people like Cliff and the old players like JMac or Laver seem to sincerely think of Roger as the greastest ever(or at least superior to Sampras). IMO, it's because they appreciate Roger's never-seen-before yet classy all-round tennis more than his domination or GS wins. When Sampras was at Roger's age and had already won 7 GS, did they talk about him as the greatest? I don't think so. The reason why this "the greatest" talk keeps coming is that it's for Roger and people sense something special from him. In other words, he is THAT good. :angel:Well they qualify their statements because Roger doesn't yet have the stats (i.e., 14 grand slams), but I do think certain professionals believe Roger is an all around better talent than Pete was. At Wimbledon this year JMac said that he thought Roger was the "greatest natural talent of all time". Maybe he said something similar about Pete, I don't know. But the fact he's saying it about Roger, after someone like Pete alreday came along really says something.

For me, I'm not expecting people to say Roger's the best ever. His career is far from complete; it's to early to say that. But I don't like it when the people that are saying it (i.e, media) are the ones that then turn around and complain about it.

LCeh
10-05-2005, 02:40 PM
At the link below you can download highlights of Roger v Pete 2001 Wimbledon. The video is pretty much highlights of Roger. :D One thing I noticed though is John McEnroe saying saying stuff about Federer that he still says today. Like how he has every shot in the book, how well he moves on court, his serve, ect. For a minute I thought I was watching Wimbledon 2005! :lol:

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=3Z1OO63C

Mirkaland, thank you SO MUCH. :smooch: This is the one match that I really want to buy, and I guess watching the highlights first can't hurt. ;)

ExpectedWinner
10-05-2005, 03:18 PM
At Wimbledon this year JMac said that he thought Roger was the "greatest natural talent of all time". Maybe he said something similar about Pete, I don't know. But the fact he's saying it about Roger, after someone like Pete alreday came along really says something.



It's normal. There's a huge difference between being talented and winning tournaments. For example, Rios was a great natural tennis talent as well. Everyone who understand tennis will admit it despite his inability to win a major. However, in tennis someone's place in history books is determined strictly by numbers. So, Pete has the best numbers, but it doesn't mean that he was the greatest pure tennis talent the world has ever seen.

SUKTUEN
10-05-2005, 03:56 PM
Roger look so great

TenHound
10-06-2005, 03:29 AM
Whether or not Pete has the "best numbers" depends on what numbers one values.

ExpectedWinner
10-06-2005, 05:57 AM
Whether or not Pete has the "best numbers" depends on what numbers one values.

The topic has been beaten up to death. I'm not in the mood to argue. Let's put it that way- a few very valuable records belong to Sampras.

* Honestly, what can beat 14 Slams? Only Laver with his calendar Slam might have the case.

nobama
10-06-2005, 06:07 AM
Whether or not Pete has the "best numbers" depends on what numbers one values.Huh? :scratch:

nobama
10-06-2005, 06:09 AM
Federer wants to play in Vietnam (http://www.thanhniennews.com/sports/?catid=5&newsid=9672)

nobama
10-06-2005, 06:10 AM
Federer and Roddick to play in Kooyong Classic (http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=sportsNews&storyID=2005-10-06T054353Z_01_MOL620586_RTRUKOC_0_UK-TENNIS-KOOYONG.xml&archived=False)

SUKTUEN
10-06-2005, 09:26 AM
So Roger will not come to HK 2006 too~~ :sad: :sad: :sad: :sad: :sad:

soonha
10-06-2005, 07:42 PM
Federer wants to play in Vietnam (http://www.thanhniennews.com/sports/?catid=5&newsid=9672)
He really does? I hope not. Wasn't he just trying to be diplomatic to the Vietnamese media? Because he said, “I would like to visit Vietnam”, not play in Vietnam.

Personally I wish him to cut off several small tournaments(except preparations for GS) and to focus just on the more important ones like GS and TMS in coming years.

RogiFan88
10-06-2005, 08:35 PM
He really does? I hope not. Wasn't he just trying to be diplomatic to the Vietnamese media? Because he said, “I would like to visit Vietnam”, not play in Vietnam.

Personally I wish him to cut off several small tournaments(except preparations for GS) and to focus just on the more important ones like GS and TMS in coming years.

I agree, Soonha... he's already played [and won] enough small tourneys. He's in the big times now and must concentrate on the more important tournaments. He also has to cut back on his hectic schedule to save his health and fitness and not get injured or exhausted or ill. :angel: We want Rogi to have a long and healthy and successful career.

Skyward
10-06-2005, 10:01 PM
Are there any tournaments in Vietnam? He can play an exhibition there to promote the game.

Stevens Point
10-06-2005, 10:23 PM
Are there any tournaments in Vietnam? He can play an exhibition there to promote the game.
As far as I know there is one ATP tournament in Vietnam, it took place last week during Thailand Open.

Skyward
10-06-2005, 11:28 PM
As far as I know there is one ATP tournament in Vietnam, it took place last week during Thailand Open.

Thanks for the answer Stevens. At least this tournament is scheduled after all GS are done.

SUKTUEN
10-07-2005, 05:56 AM
I very hope Roger come to HK in Jan 2006~~ :bigcry: :bigcry:

nobama
10-07-2005, 11:19 AM
Someone posted in GM that Roger's signed up again for Rotterdam next year...and so has Nadal!

Nymeria
10-07-2005, 11:59 AM
Yep it has also been posted on the rotterdam tournament site www.abnamrowtt.nl I am happy with this news :bounce: I would've gone to the tourny anyway, but now I am even more looking forward to it :yeah:

RogiNie
10-08-2005, 04:50 PM
good Roger :D

Daniel
10-09-2005, 01:49 AM
MELBOURNE, Australia (AFP) - World No.1 Roger Federer and Americans Andy Roddick and Andre Agassi were confirmed to play in the Kooyong Classic here as a lead-up to January's Australian Open.

Organisers Thursday announced the majority of their eight-man field for the exhibition event to be played on Kooyong's hardcourt from January 11-14.

Federer, this year's Wimbledon and US Open champion, won the Kooyong tournament last January, while Agassi is making his ninth appearance.

Tournament director Colin Stubs said Argentinian David Nalbandian (ranked 12), compatriot Guillermo Coria (6) and German Tommy Haas (45) would also play in the event.

Stubs said negotiations were proceeding with Russian Australian Open champion Marat Safin (ranked 8), Frenchman Richard Gasquet (12) and American Taylor Dent (24) for the two remaining spots in the draw.

Daniel
10-09-2005, 01:53 AM
it is aobut Myurray but mentions Roger in some parts of article.

Murray reveals his grand plan

Jamie Jackson
Sunday October 9, 2005
The Observer


Andy Murray may have lost to world number one Roger Federer and then limped out of a Challenger in Belgium in his past two tournaments, but the Scot believes that he can win a grand-slam title within two years and can match the Swiss's rankings as an 18-year-old before he turns 19 in May.
'The last thing I want to be thought of as is arrogant,' Murray said. 'I just want to be seen as someone who wants to be doing well. But the one thing I've always had is high ambition and you always have to try and aim for the best. And now I've started to do well, I want to try and match Federer's ranking when he was 18, which was 64. I'm getting close.

'And if somebody was to say to me, "Do you think you can win a grand slam in the next two years?" then I'm not just going to say I've got absolutely no chance. I'd love to, but it's just quite a hard one for me to play because I want people to know that I want to get to the top.'

Murray's rise has been remarkable. He did not play his first ATP event until six months ago and since the start of the year he has jumped 339 places to his ranking of 72.

On Friday, he was forced to retire from his quarter-final against Belgium's Xavier Malisse in Mons with an injured right buttock. He is taking his first break since Michael Lammer beat him in Dresden in mid-May and has been advised to rest for at least 10 days, so he may not play until the Basle ATP tour event on 24 October.

Just last Sunday, Murray played Federer in his first ATP tour final and, although losing 6-3 7-5, he believes that he can live with the Swiss player, who has won six major titles.

'I had a very long flight on my way back [from Bangkok] to think about it,' Murray said. 'I think I pushed him hard in the second set. But the exciting thing for me is there is so much to work on in my game. I feel like I could have played a better match against him, but I still did pretty well. I didn't know what to expect, but now I know if I serve well and play my own game I can push him. I won't be expecting to beat him [next time], but I have a better idea of how to play against him.'

Murray also reached the second round of the US Open and earlier in August he beat world number 24 Taylor Dent and took a set off Australian Open champion Marat Safin when competing on a wildcard in his debut Masters Series appearance, in Cincinnati.

For the rest of the year, Murray will play four or five more tournaments. 'I'd like to get close to the top 50,' he said. 'That's going to be pretty difficult because there's not many tournaments and the jump's pretty high, so I'd have to do very well. If I could get inside the top 60, anything higher would be a bonus.'

Murray would have to pick up about 250 ranking points to break the top 50, but he is conscious how expectation has changed. 'Before Wimbledon I was losing in the qualifying for Challengers and now everyone's expecting me to win against guys like Gregory Carraz [whom he beat in the second round in Mons], who's 160 in the world and has been as high as 54, and Ivo Heuberger, the guy I played in the first round. He was top 100 as well. It is pretty difficult, but I just have to concentrate on my tennis.'

SUKTUEN
10-09-2005, 09:47 AM
thanks

Skyward
10-10-2005, 03:26 AM
I apologize if it's already been posted.

http://www.tennis.com/Tennis_Wrap_Up/index.asp

This is the traditional money-grubbing season for the men. During the 90s, the now-defunct, season-ending Grand Slam Cup allowed guys like Michael Stich and Magnus Larsson to walk away with multi-million dollar paydays—and bizarre trophies (“gold helicopters,” as Martin Amis described them)—for winning a few matches on a fast indoor carpet in Munich while no one was watching. Now that the German market has dried up, the ATP is betting on Asia. While the top men were in Thailand, there was another ATP event going on down the road in Vietnam. Next week, Japan. They’ll finish the year in Shanghai.

However the promoters pulled it off, there was a solid draw in Bangkok, highlighted by defending champion Roger Federer. He cruised to the final, where he faced a wild card, Scottish teenager Andy Murray. A blowout on paper, it turned out to be an entertaining match. A few observations about both players:

—Federer, whose one “weakness” is an occasional bout of the shanks, can struggle against someone who has the guts not to try too much. Murray is that kind of player, a guy who always plays within himself, and he pushed Federer into errors with good defense yesterday. In Cincinnati in August, Robby Ginepri nearly beat Federer just by getting the ball back and keeping it away from the middle of the court. It’s the last part that’s the problem. Murray had to play on a knife-edge—when he left the ball hanging in the middle, the point was over. Immediately.

—Murray is a nice antidote to the new generation of genetic super-athletes. The muscled-up Rafael Nadal’s uncle played world-class soccer; Kim Clijsters’ dad did as well, and her mom was a top gymnast; Gael Monfils, whose body seems elastic at times, is the son of two major-league sports stars. Murray’s mom was a tennis pro, but he looks like a normal, somewhat tall, kid, and he wins with point construction rather than off-the-charts athleticism.

—These days Federer is so confident that he really does what our pros tell us to do—he hits bigger and goes for more on big points, charging the net from deep in the court and taking balls out of the air. The difference is, he makes those shots. Every time.

—Murray has a different, though just as intelligent, approach to big points. He’s not afraid to be creative and use the same variety he would at any other time. On break point down late in the second set he had a short forehand. Rather than crank a conventional approach, he carved a little reverse angle that landed inside the service line and out of Federer’s reach.

—Murray matched Federer for long stretches; it was just a slight lapse at the beginning of each set that cost him. That’s what many rookies say is the biggest difference between the junior game and the pro game—the pros don’t take mental vacations. Murray still does.

—Finally, Federer is having another year for the ages. Yesterday he clinched the No. 1 ranking for 2005; he’s won five straight titles for the first time; he’s won 24 straight finals, which is getting to seem DiMaggio-esque (can you imagine that record ever being broken?); and he hasn’t lost since the French Open semifinals. Fed’s got a shot to beat John McEnroe’s 82-3 season of 1984; he’s currently 77-3 (just so you know, in two of those losses he had match points). And yesterday he was presented the winner’s trophy by Thailand’s Miss Universe.

SUKTUEN
10-10-2005, 04:38 PM
thankyou

Minnie
10-10-2005, 08:14 PM
This is an extract from a piece on Andy Murray in today's Daily Telegraph ... Roger is such a nice, kind guy to make our Brit kid feel welcome on the ATP tour. Not sure that I agree or like the sentiment expressed by Andy in the final paragraph though :( ... sorry, Andy, when Roger brings his A game to the court (which I don't think he did in that Bangkok final), he really IS so much better than you!! :lol:

"Murray conceded that there are moments of loneliness and boredom on the road. He is yet to establish firm friendships at the highest level. But he disclosed that Federer, a gentleman as well as a genius shot-maker, has been particularly helpful at making him feel at ease in the player lounges and locker-rooms across the world.

"I'm still shy around everyone as I don't really know anyone and I still have a lot of respect for them. I'm pretty happy with how the guys are treating me - everyone has been pretty friendly, and especially Federer.

Federer has said nice things about me and he's always coming up to me to say, 'Hi'. That feels nice as it is like the players are starting to know who I am.

"Playing against Federer was the one match when I didn't have a game plan. I had watched him on TV and everyone was saying to me, 'He's so good and does everything so well'. So it was difficult to know what shot to go on, so I just went out and tried to stay with him," Murray said. "Afterwards I thought that, yeah, Federer is an incredible player, but I didn't come off the court thinking, 'Gee, he's so much better than me'. It's exciting for me that I pushed him close when I still have so much to work on and when I am just starting out on my tennis career."

nobama
10-11-2005, 11:11 AM
Gee, Roger won in straight sets and that's called 'pushing him close'? :lol: I think they (the press, his coach, ect.) need to dial down the hype on Murray.

Yet again another player has good things to say about Roger. I can't remember another mens player having this much positive stuff said about him, not just as a player, but as a person too. Has anyone ever (in the last 2-3 years) said something negative about Roger as a person?

Dirk
10-11-2005, 01:56 PM
Roger was just playing well enough to win against Murray. Roger has been playing with that mentality for a while now. I wish he would go back to his " I wanna break at every service game" mentality.

Murray is full of talent and I like his game a lot but just not him. I hope he grows up but as we have seen with the other Andy that doesn't always happen. :rolleyes:

Puschkin
10-11-2005, 02:05 PM
I wish he would go back to his " I wanna break at every service game" mentality.


I like that one, too, but he would burn himself out if he always did it, so I admire him for the cold and rational approach of doing enough, even if it is not so spectacular.

RogiFan88
10-11-2005, 03:58 PM
the Murray hype-machine has begun!

bokehlicious
10-11-2005, 04:23 PM
I like that one, too, but he would burn himself out if he always did it, so I admire him for the cold and rational approach of doing enough, even if it is not so spectacular.

True... Roger has to do that not to be much physically tired if he wants to reach what he wishes... When Nadal wins a set 6-1 he usualy runs a lot more than when Rog wins 7-5 with one break only... :angel:

Dirk
10-11-2005, 04:35 PM
Roger would save himself energy because matches would be shorter. Nadal doesn't move as smoothly Federer. Nadal's game is built on defense and working a lot. Roger is the exact opposite.

Dirk
10-11-2005, 04:37 PM
Mentality he might get tired from focusing so much but then again he wouldn't get himself in so many tight situations.

marchen
10-11-2005, 04:48 PM
I found this on the net.
Did he actually mean it? Nadal to be no.1..... :eek: :eek:

======================
Federer Does Pre-Madrid Press
Roger Federer yesterday did a press conference to promote the Madrid Masters Series event via telephone from his home in Basel. The highlights:

Federer stuck up for the Argentine tennis players. "We can't attack the entire country. I believe these are individual cases. It's a mistake to say that all of them (the Argentines) are cheating." And Federer was the guy who said the Canas suspension was entirely appropriate.

He supports more player cooperation to deal with the issues that face tennis today. "I would like the players to be more interested in their sport. I don't understand why there are so many who speak so badly of tennis. I listen to many of them complain and I say that we should join together to see what we can do."

Doing his part to promote the Madrid Masters tournament in Spain, he spoke highly of Rafael Nadal's season. "Something similar happened to me in 2003 when I had a great season and I was number two behind Andy Roddick. I could not play better, and nevertheless I finished number two. But I have no doubt that Nadal will reach number one and will be at the top for a long time."
He also said that a duel with Nadal in the final of the would be most interesting for everyone, "like facing Agassi in the U.S. or Hewitt in Australia."

He deflected an inquiry about the Madrid tournament's use of models as ballgirls with the comment, "Do they pick up the balls well?" and a laugh. And then, "If they do, it seems fine to me."

Dirk
10-11-2005, 04:52 PM
Nadal's year is not Federer's 2003. Nadal's 05 year is one of the best in a long time and if Roger was not around he would be number one. Nadal is way behind Roger despite all of his winning yet Roger was just barely behind Andy at the end of 03. Nadal will have to win Oz next year in order have a shot at being number one sometime in 06.

ExpectedWinner
10-11-2005, 05:29 PM
Nadal's 05 year is one of the best in a long time and if Roger was not around he would be number one.

Who knows? May be not. If Federer wasn't around, someone else (not necessarily Nadal) would have won Wimbledon and/or USO and 4TMSes. 4th, 3rd, 2nd round exits in 3 out of 4GS is a big glitch in otherwise great Nadal's year. For the same reason-underperformance in GS- Federer didn't deserve the No1 position in 2003 (IMO)

PaulieM
10-11-2005, 05:36 PM
Roger was just playing well enough to win against Murray. Roger has been playing with that mentality for a while now. I wish he would go back to his " I wanna break at every service game" mentality.

Murray is full of talent and I like his game a lot but just not him. I hope he grows up but as we have seen with the other Andy that doesn't always happen. :rolleyes:
i know what you mean, if only because there's never a guarantee that you'll always be able to break later if you miss an opportunity early on, or hold onto a break if you do get it, everyone gets broken from time to time no matter how good you are. his more efficient approach just makes it a little more nerve-wracking to watch sometimes ;) and it always gets interpreted as he's being pushed so much more than he used to be, which isn't always true :p eh oh well i miss roger and i can't wait until he's back, even if i won't actually get to watch any of his matches for god knows how long :(
also agree about andy, he's talented but he seems really obnoxious and until that stops it'll be a while before i can like him. :shrug:

ExpectedWinner
10-11-2005, 05:37 PM
I found this on the net.
Did he actually mean it? Nadal to be no.1..... :eek: :eek:




Well, if you take in consideration the age difference, it doesn't sound crazy. Most probably, in a couple of years Federer won't be interested in chasing the No1 position. In that case I still hope that some other youngsters would be able to step up and fill out the big shoes.

nobama
10-11-2005, 06:50 PM
Nadal's year is not Federer's 2003. Nadal's 05 year is one of the best in a long time and if Roger was not around he would be number one. Nadal is way behind Roger despite all of his winning yet Roger was just barely behind Andy at the end of 03. Nadal will have to win Oz next year in order have a shot at being number one sometime in 06.Didn't Roger participate in TMC 2002 (where he lost in the SF to Hewitt) whereas Andy didn't? So therefore Andy could have a superior 2003 and yet barely earn the #1 spot, because the point difference between him and Roger was never that far apart to begin with?

Dirk
10-11-2005, 06:52 PM
Who knows? May be not. If Federer wasn't around, someone else (not necessarily Nadal) would have won Wimbledon and/or USO and 4TMSes. 4th, 3rd, 2nd round exits in 3 out of 4GS is a big glitch in otherwise great Nadal's year. For the same reason-underperformance in GS- Federer didn't deserve the No1 position in 2003 (IMO)

But who is to say the same person would have won the 4 TMSes and USO and Wimbledon. Nadal would have been number one likely if Roger was not around.

nobama
10-11-2005, 06:54 PM
I like that one, too, but he would burn himself out if he always did it, so I admire him for the cold and rational approach of doing enough, even if it is not so spectacular.Roger studied the greats, especially Sampras. Pete won 64 titles - including 14 grand slams - and he wasn't blowing everybody off the court. I don't care whether Roger wins a set 60,61 or 76,75 as long as he wins the match. And he hasn't played that many 4 or 5 set matches this year. So I'm not concerned that physically he won't be able to keep up.

nobama
10-11-2005, 07:03 PM
Who knows? May be not. If Federer wasn't around, someone else (not necessarily Nadal) would have won Wimbledon and/or USO and 4TMSes. 4th, 3rd, 2nd round exits in 3 out of 4GS is a big glitch in otherwise great Nadal's year. For the same reason-underperformance in GS- Federer didn't deserve the No1 position in 2003 (IMO)Maybe Roger didn't deserve #1 in 2003, but the fact is he was damn close in terms of entry ranking points, and that's how #1 is decided. 160 points separated them in the entry ranking at the end of 2003. And I think it was 25 points in the Race. At the end of 2002 Roger was ahead of Andy in the entry rankings by 545 points. So yes it's true that Andy did better in the slams or "quality" tournaments if you like. But to say that Roger shouldn't have been #1 is to say that the ranking system is screwed up. Because the numbers show he was very close to being #1.

ExpectedWinner
10-11-2005, 08:44 PM
But who is to say the same person would have won the 4 TMSes and USO and Wimbledon. Nadal would have been number one likely if Roger was not around.


I did not say that one person would have won Wimbledon/USO. Nadal did not win 2 Slams either. It could be close. Besides, if Roger didn't exist, Roddick/Hewitt records would look more impressive than now. ;)

ExpectedWinner
10-11-2005, 08:57 PM
Maybe Roger didn't deserve #1 in 2003, but the fact is he was damn close in terms of entry ranking points, and that's how #1 is decided. 160 points separated them in the entry ranking at the end of 2003. And I think it was 25 points in the Race. At the end of 2002 Roger was ahead of Andy in the entry rankings by 545 points. So yes it's true that Andy did better in the slams or "quality" tournaments if you like. But to say that Roger shouldn't have been #1 is to say that the ranking system is screwed up. Because the numbers show he was very close to being #1.

When the difference between the top players as little as 25/160 points, there are always debates who "should" have been number one. Federer could finish number one mathematically that year, but in my mind he would have been the least deserving number one out of top 3 based on GS nad TMS performances.

ExpectedWinner
10-11-2005, 09:04 PM
Didn't Roger participate in TMC 2002 (where he lost in the SF to Hewitt) whereas Andy didn't? So therefore Andy could have a superior 2003 and yet barely earn the #1 spot, because the point difference between him and Roger was never that far apart to begin with?

Rankings at the end of 2003 had nothing to do with TMC 2002.

RogiFan88
10-11-2005, 09:05 PM
In 2003, Rogi blew his chance at #1 and basically handed it to Pandy, hurting himself and Juanqui in the process... shame Juanqui didn't win USO that year... it w have been the biggest upset ever!

RogiFan88
10-11-2005, 09:06 PM
A waste of time to speculate what if... ;)

Oh yeah, I'll never forget Rogi losing to Pandy in SF of Montreal03... it's ENDING the year #1 that counts... Rogi did it the hard way but who cares now...

RogiFan88
10-11-2005, 09:09 PM
I think it's amusing that no Amer won the TMC Houston... and Pandy hasn't yet made a TMC final, let alone win one... ;)

ExpectedWinner
10-11-2005, 09:12 PM
I think it's amusing that no Amer won the TMC Houston... and Pandy hasn't yet made a TMC final, let alone win one... ;)

Agree. Sometimes I feel sad that this tournament has been moved. ;)

RogiFan88
10-11-2005, 09:16 PM
Agree. Sometimes I feel sad that this tournament has been moved. ;)

you mean moved to Shanghai for 3 years? I'm relieved it's left Houston [I couldn't stand another second of Mattress Mac]! :p

ExpectedWinner
10-11-2005, 09:21 PM
I'm relieved it's left Houston [I couldn't stand another second of Mattress Mac]! :p

Nah, it was a pleasure to see Roger make him unhappy. That's a great way to deal with biased people. ;)

tennischick
10-11-2005, 11:56 PM
Roger was just playing well enough to win against Murray. Roger has been playing with that mentality for a while now. I wish he would go back to his " I wanna break at every service game" mentality.

i don't. i like the way Rogi conserves his energy and plays within himself, only upping the aggression level when he absolutely has to. that is smart tennis. if you want an example of go-for-broke tennis, look no further than James Blake. do you really believe he has the chance of ever being #1? not in this lifetime. Roger is doing the right thing to hold back and conserve. his career will last longer that way bec his body will hold up longer.

PaulieM
10-12-2005, 12:00 AM
Nah, it was a pleasure to see Roger make him unhappy. That's a great way to deal with biased people. ;)
ditto

nobama
10-12-2005, 01:54 AM
Rankings at the end of 2003 had nothing to do with TMC 2002.I know that. :rolleyes: My point was that Roger had a better 2002 than Andy (he ended the year ahead of Andy by over 500+ points in the entry rankings) so Andy could have a superior 2003 yet still barely beat Roger for the #1 spot.

nobama
10-12-2005, 01:58 AM
i don't. i like the way Rogi conserves his energy and plays within himself, only upping the aggression level when he absolutely has to. that is smart tennis. if you want an example of go-for-broke tennis, look no further than James Blake. do you really believe he has the chance of ever being #1? not in this lifetime. Roger is doing the right thing to hold back and conserve. his career will last longer that way bec his body will hold up longer.As long as Roger keeps winning I don't care how he gets it done. It's not like every match is 5 setters or every set ends in a tb.

Daniel
10-12-2005, 03:01 AM
Thanks for articlee:)

SUKTUEN
10-12-2005, 05:10 AM
thankyou

ExpectedWinner
10-12-2005, 03:50 PM
I know that. :rolleyes: My point was that Roger had a better 2002 than Andy (he ended the year ahead of Andy by over 500+ points in the entry rankings) so Andy could have a superior 2003 yet still barely beat Roger for the #1 spot.

I can't see the point. It comes down to simple math- Roddick started to challenge for the number one position at the end of the year after he picked up big points at Queens-USO stretch, and the other guys lost most of their cushion from the previous year.
Besides, I wouldn't use the word " superior". Because Ferrero's year was equally strong, and he finished no3. Federer had a good year too but the other two guys had better results at GS and TMS-es.

nobama
10-12-2005, 06:15 PM
I can't see the point. It comes down to simple math- Roddick started to challenge for the number one position at the end of the year after he picked up big points at Queens-USO stretch, and the other guys lost most of their cushion from the previous year.
Besides, I wouldn't use the word " superior". Because Ferrero's year was equally strong, and he finished no3. Federer had a good year too but the other two guys had better results at GS and TMS-es.All I'm saying is for Roddick to have a better year in terms of GS and TMS results and yet barely be able to beat Roger for #1 position means that Roger had some cusion there from the previous year. Because obviously if Roddick performed better in those events he earned more points than Roger (as neither of them did much in those events in 2002, except Roger did win Hamburg). Roger ended 2002 ranked #6 with 2590 pts. Roddick ended 2002 ranked #10 with 1573 pts. In 2003 Roddick earned 2490 pts to finish the year at 4535 and ranked #1. Roger earned 1785 pts to finish the year at 4375 ranked #2 - 160 pts behind Andy.

I'm not suggesting that Roger should've been the YE #1 because he won TMC or won Wimbledon or whatever. All I was saying (and I said this in GM too) is mathmatically Roger was very close to ending 2003 at #1 (as was Ferrero).

Dirk
10-12-2005, 06:17 PM
I did not say that one person would have won Wimbledon/USO. Nadal did not win 2 Slams either. It could be close. Besides, if Roger didn't exist, Roddick/Hewitt records would look more impressive than now. ;)

That is true.

Dirk
10-12-2005, 06:18 PM
i don't. i like the way Rogi conserves his energy and plays within himself, only upping the aggression level when he absolutely has to. that is smart tennis. if you want an example of go-for-broke tennis, look no further than James Blake. do you really believe he has the chance of ever being #1? not in this lifetime. Roger is doing the right thing to hold back and conserve. his career will last longer that way bec his body will hold up longer.

I don't see how he will harm himself by trying to win the match as fast as possible. If anything he is conserving energy that way.

ExpectedWinner
10-12-2005, 06:22 PM
All I'm saying is for Roddick to have a better year in terms of GS and TMS results and yet barely be able to beat Roger for #1 position means that Roger had some cusion there from the previous year. Because obviously if Roddick performed better in those events he earned more points than Roger (as neither of them did much in those events in 2002, except Roger did win Hamburg). Roger ended 2002 ranked #6 with 2590 pts. Roddick ended 2002 ranked #10 with 1573 pts. In 2003 Roddick earned 2490 pts to finish the year at 4535 and ranked #1. Roger earned 1785 pts to finish the year at 4375 ranked #2 - 160 pts behind Andy.

I'm not suggesting that Roger should've been the YE #1 because he won TMC or won Wimbledon or whatever. All I was saying (and I said this in GM too) is mathmatically Roger was very close to ending 2003 at #1 (as was Ferrero).

Ok, good. Women always talk a lot (you are female, right?) :lol: You could have said all that staff about 2003 without bringing up 2002. ;)

Stevens Point
10-12-2005, 06:35 PM
According to Swiss media, Roger has injured his foot and will not play in Madrid and again his home tournament Basel... :sad:

RogiFan88
10-12-2005, 06:49 PM
Yes I just read the sad news in French:

TENNIS: Roger Federer se blesse !
12 octobre 2005 20:02

Pour la deuxième année consécutive, Roger Federer va probablement devoir faire l'impasse sur la saison indoor automnale.

Le Bâlois a en effet contracté une déchirure ligamentaire au pied droit et doit d'ores et déjà renoncer aux tournois de Madrid et Bâle.

L'information a été communiquée par l'avocat du numéro un mondial, le Docteur Bernhard Christen. Roger Federer, qui s'est blessé mardi à l'entraînement, ne devra pas se soumettre à une opération. Sa participation au Masters Series de Paris-Bercy est également remise en cause, mais il devrait pouvoir défendre son titre lors de la Masters Cup de Shanghaï.

TXT avec les agences
http://www.tsr.ch/tsr/index.html?siteSect=600001&sid=6157878&cKey=1129141645000

Tennis: Federer blessé au pied droit

BÂLE - Pour la deuxième année consécutive, Roger Federer va probablement devoir faire l'impasse sur la saison indoor automnale. Le Bâlois a contracté une déchirure ligamentaire au pied droit et doit d'ores et déjà renoncer aux tournois de Madrid et Bâle. .
20:04 12.10.05

Sa participation au Masters Series de Paris-Bercy est également remise en cause. L'information a été communiquée par l'avocat du numéro un mondial, Bernhard Christen. Roger Federer, qui s'est blessé mardi à l'entraînement, ne devra pas se soumettre à une opération.

Assuré de terminer au 1er rang mondial en fin d'année depuis le tournoi de Bangkok où il avait conquis son onzième titre 2005 le 2 octobre, Federer devrait pouvoir défendre son titre lors de la Masters Cup de Shanghaï (13-20 novembre). Le sextuple vainqueur de tournois du Grand Chelem rêve de retourner dans la mégapole chinoise, trois ans après y avoir disputé son premier Masters et un mois après y avoir inauguré le nouveau stade.

C'est déjà la troisième fois de l'année que Federer est contraint d'observer une pause en raison de ses pieds. Il avait déclaré forfait pour le tournoi de Rome au printemps puis prolongé les vacances qui suivaient son troisième sacre de Wimbledon en raison de ses problèmes de voûte plantaire. Après ce deuxième break, le Bâlois avait assuré que cette blessure n'avait rien de grave.

Roger Federer avait été contraint à une pause forcée de 42 jours l'automne dernier. Victime d'une déchirure musculaire à la cuisse gauche, il avait pas joué entre le tournoi de Bangkok, où il avait conquis le titre, et la Masters Cup de Houston où il avait défendu victorieusement son trophée.
http://www.lematin.ch/nwmatinhome/nwmatinheadsport.html?newsaction=detailcateg&idnews=ats.ch%3A20051012%3Abrg505&newscateg=2&newssubcateg=0&newsnb=&status=

Tore a ligament in his R foot in training on Tue. He won't be able to play Madrid or Basel or maybe even Paris-Bercy.

This is very worrying... I feel sad and a little sick at the news. I keep saying how important it is for Rogi to take care of his health. This is NOT a good sign.

RogiNie
10-12-2005, 06:49 PM
:sobbing:

oneandonlyhsn
10-12-2005, 06:59 PM
This really blows :sad: I hope he gets better soon I really miss him

ExpectedWinner
10-12-2005, 07:14 PM
I hope it's some kind of sprain/stretch which requires 4-6 weeks of rest/icing/compresses with no any surgical procedure in the future.

Purple Rainbow
10-12-2005, 07:24 PM
F*ck!

Get well soon, Roger! I was really hoping for you to make the most out of the TMS indoors events. Too bad you'll likely miss them. :sad:

bokehlicious
10-12-2005, 07:30 PM
:sad: :sad: :sad: So sad !!! Won't see him in Basel :sad: :sad:

Get better soon Rog !!

sierra91
10-12-2005, 07:54 PM
Federer Paris Masters doubt
October 13, 2005

A RIGHT foot ligament injury has Roger Federer in doubt for this month's Paris Masters.

The Wimbledon and US Open champion has already pulled out of tournaments in Madrid and Basel after tearing a ligament in training.

The Swiss star does not need surgery to correct the problem, and should be fit to defend his Masters Cup title in Shanghai next month, his lawyer, Sr Bernhard Christen, said overnight.Agence France-Presse http://foxsports.news.com.au/story/0,8659,16904763-23216,00.html

:sad: :sad: :sad:

Minnie
10-12-2005, 08:31 PM
I've just read this sad news on the BBC tennis forum ... he must be so disappointed not to be able to play in his home town ... poor Rogi! Poor us - we'll be missing him a lot longer now! This will disrupt his training schedule if he's going to defend his title in Shanghai - what rotten luck!

french-guru
10-12-2005, 09:32 PM
yeah I heard he got injured, I believe (?)

Minnie
10-12-2005, 09:57 PM
:sad: Strained Ankle Ligament Knocks Federer Out Of Madrid, Basel

By Tennis Week
10/13/2005

Roger Federer has won four Masters Series titles this year, but the two-time Tennis Masters Cup champion won't be making the trip to Madrid for next week's Tennis Masters Series-Madrid event.

The world No. 1 suffered a strained ligament in his right ankle while practicing that will sideline him for at least two weeks, knocking him out of both Madrid and his hometown tournament in Basel, which begins on October 24th.

The six-time Grand Slam champion may also miss the BNP Paribas Masters starting on October 31st though he is expected to defend his Tennis Masters Cup title in Shanghai, starting on November 12th, according to Madrid officials.

Madrid tournament director and former standout Manolo Santana said Federer, who is currently walking with crutches, may travel to Madrid to conduct a press conference next week.

"Federer has phoned today to tell me that he had had an injury while trying to hit a drive. He has a strong injury in his right ankle, so he won’t play in Madrid," Santana said. "He is walking on crutches. It’s a pity that Roger won’t be here because we really wanted to see him playing in the Madrid Arena, but injuries are something impossible to control. I know that Roger feels bad about this, because he was eager to play in Madrid this year."

Federer joins defending Madrid champion Marat Safin on the sidelines. Safin withdrew from the event last week while continuing recovery from a left knee injury.

The 25-year-old Safin, who has not played a match since suffering a straight-sets loss to Robby Ginepri in the Cincinnati quarterfinals in August, has posted a 27-11 record on the year. In addition to winning the Australian Open, Safin reached the Halle final on grass, falling to defending champion Federer, 4-6, 7-6(6), 4-6.

It marks the second straight year Federer will miss the Madrid event. Last year, he joined former top-ranked players Andy Roddick and Lleyton Hewitt on the sidelines."

Get better soon Roger - we miss you already! :sad: :sad:

Minnie
10-12-2005, 10:17 PM
Roger was just playing well enough to win against Murray. Roger has been playing with that mentality for a while now. I wish he would go back to his " I wanna break at every service game" mentality.

Murray is full of talent and I like his game a lot but just not him. I hope he grows up but as we have seen with the other Andy that doesn't always happen. :rolleyes:

Hi Dirk ... :wavey: Like you - I miss the 2004 Roger when he was blitzing opponents with bagels and breadsticks - but understand the reasons why he doesn't do that so much now. I was disappointed to read that he'd rather win ugly than lose a terrific game ... but winning is all I guess. Don't be too hard on our Andy - he's rather dour - a Scottish trait - I've known quite a few of them (and before anyone jumps - I'm part Scot myself!). He has a tremendous respect and admiration for Roger so that makes him ok in my book. He is fearful of the Brit media and I quite understand why after what they have done to Tim Henman.

french-guru
10-12-2005, 10:47 PM
Here is a big teddy bear hoping that Roger gets better soon :hug:

http://www.tsa.gov/interweb/assetlibrary/Teddy_Bear_Sitting.jpg

french-guru
10-12-2005, 10:48 PM
when I said big I meant BIG ;)

lunahielo
10-12-2005, 11:25 PM
:sad: :sad: :sad: :sad:

Fergie
10-13-2005, 12:04 AM
Get well soon Rogi! :hug:

french-guru
10-13-2005, 12:37 AM
:sad: :sad: :sad: :sad:

don't cry, :hug: I am sure he is going to get better really soon. now cheer up

SUKTUEN
10-13-2005, 01:17 AM
MY GODDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

PLEASE BLESS Roger GET Well Soon~!!!
OH NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

nobama
10-13-2005, 01:35 AM
Get well soon Rogi. :sad:

Some people in GM really piss me off though. Not at all concerned about Roger's health, but just po'd because they won't get to see him play or because he could pick up points here in case he isn't able to defend all his points early next year, and OMG not he might lose #1 early next year, ect. The worst is that he just decided to take another "rest" to be ready for TMC. I think that's just crappy. A real fan would first and foremost be concerned about his health. Sure I'm bummed he won't be playing in Madrid, Basel (and most likely Paris). But on his website it says he's on crutches, so I really just want him to get well soon and I really hope it's nothing too serious.

ste
10-13-2005, 05:49 AM
:sad::sad::sad::sad:

I am going to Basel the whole week and now he won't play... SH**....
I was so looking forward to already last year he couldn't when I was there...

ROGER!!!! :hug: hope he will be 100 % fit again for Shanghai and then he shows agan who is the actual No. 1 and why!!!

All the best Roger, and go for it!!!!

:worship:

TenHound
10-13-2005, 05:50 AM
I stopped by GM as well, and they were speaking of ligament damage bet. toe & heel - ie related to his plantar fasciitis. Anyone know for sure? Or does anyone know if this can be a compensating type of injury?

I just want him to stay out long enough to really heal.

Did everyone read Mats' piece in which he said Roger should stop playing small tournaments to avoid injury & burnout. At first, I wondered if he was following Mats advice; then read he was on crutches.

ste
10-13-2005, 05:51 AM
oh btw. is someone interested in sending me a message for him??

we will give him the red enveloppe in Basel anyway but now with "get-well-soon-again" messages instead of Good luck ones!!

so if you'd like to write some nice words to Roger you can send me these
here my addy:

steffi_w@hotmail.com

I need the messages till Thursday, 20 October 2005 (in a week)

LCeh
10-13-2005, 05:54 AM
Just curious here, Roger is going to be at Basel even if he is not playing?

SUKTUEN
10-13-2005, 06:22 AM
oh btw. is someone interested in sending me a message for him??

we will give him the red enveloppe in Basel anyway but now with "get-well-soon-again" messages instead of Good luck ones!!

so if you'd like to write some nice words to Roger you can send me these
here my addy:

steffi_w@hotmail.com

I need the messages till Thursday, 20 October 2005 (in a week)

ste, please tell Roger in this red enveloppe " We are so Hope Roger come to HK~!!!!!! "
Bescause the red enveloppe in shanghai Cannot gave to Roger successfully, Please Help us~!!!!!! :worship: :worship: :worship:

yanchr
10-13-2005, 06:41 AM
Did everyone read Mats' piece in which he said Roger should stop playing small tournaments to avoid injury & burnout. At first, I wondered if he was following Mats advice; then read he was on crutches.
Me too :sad::sad: He is on crutches..OMG wtf

I actually hope he is more taking the rest than really being injured... but I won't think he doesn't want to make his hometown fans happy by playing well there and winning it...

Take care Roger

Tennis needs you :hug:

SUKTUEN
10-13-2005, 07:43 AM
:sad: Me too :sad::sad: He is on crutches..OMG wtf

I actually hope he is more taking the rest than really being injured... but I won't think he doesn't want to make his hometown fans happy by playing well there and winning it...

Take care Roger

Tennis needs you :hug:

oh my poor Rogi~~!!! :sad: :sad:
I am so woory about you~ :sad: :sad: :sad: :sad:

Yasmine
10-13-2005, 09:47 AM
crap! f***! shit! I just read Roger was injured :bigcry: What the hell with my faves having injuries, I thought I was done with them after Kim's comeback :sad:
Anyway I hope he gets better soon and he looks after himself properly so he can come back strong and fit! :hug:

nobama
10-13-2005, 11:06 AM
I think there's conflicting reports on what exactly the injury is. I've read he injured his ankle and it sounded like it was something freaky that happened in practice, not something that happened because he's been playing too much. I hope he's not seriously injured, but I don't buy all this "rest" crap. He took 6 weeks off after Wimbledon. He had some days off before Davis Cup and after Thailand as well. He never said anything during DC or Thailand about being physically or mentally tired. What he said after the US Open was that he felt "fresh" and his intention was to play the rest of the year. If he really needed the rest you'd think he would've skipped Thailand and going to China vs. two TMS events plus his hometown tournament.

nobama
10-13-2005, 11:09 AM
This is what the Madrid tournament director said:

“Federer has phoned today to tell me that he had had an injury while trying to hit a drive. He has a strong injury in his right ankle, so he won’t play in Madrid. He is walking on crutches”, has said Manolo Santana.

nobama
10-13-2005, 11:25 AM
According to a translation of the website below Roger was training in Allschwil when the injury occured. He felt "strong pain" immediately and his foot/ankle is now on ice. Once the swelling goes down he will work with his physio. It's so unfortunate this had to happen. :sad: But accidents like this can happen. Just the other day at the office where I work someone got wrong footed and fell down a flight of stairs. As far as I know the person is OK, but very sore.

http://www2.sfdrs.ch/sport/artikel.php?catid=sporttennisartikel&docid=20051012_01

ste
10-13-2005, 11:54 AM
ste, please tell Roger in this red enveloppe " We are so Hope Roger come to HK~!!!!!! "
Bescause the red enveloppe in shanghai Cannot gave to Roger successfully, Please Help us~!!!!!! :worship: :worship: :worship:

I will add that Suk!

RogiFan88
10-13-2005, 02:01 PM
Just curious here, Roger is going to be at Basel even if he is not playing?

He was last year, in the stands, cheering for Novak vs. Nalby in the F.

RogiFan88
10-13-2005, 02:22 PM
French-Guru, cute teddy bear for ROGI!! That's what Rogi needs now -- a big BEAR HUG from all of us.

[I see you are the Guru of teddy bears and ositos! ;)]

SUKTUEN
10-13-2005, 04:08 PM
I will add that Suk!

THANKYOU MY Dear ste~!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BIG KISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS~!!!! :kiss: :kiss: :kiss: :kiss: :bowdown: :bowdown: :woohoo: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

PaulieM
10-13-2005, 04:20 PM
:sobbing: i haven't been online in a while and i just heard about roger's injury. i hope he gets better really soon, i was just thinking the other day about how much i miss him since he hasn't been playing :sad: the most important thing is for him to rest, and get healthy again, i hope it's nothing too serious. i'll be doing my best to send him lots of good vibes and lots of :hug:

i'm so annoyed by all the people in gm that are "glad" to hear this news because of some bull that finally things will be competitive. roger is never guaranteed to win anything and i don't know who wants their faves to win tournaments without having to beat the best guys to do it anyway. :(

SUKTUEN
10-13-2005, 04:26 PM
I watch the show of Roger's DVD today~~

Roger I miss you

casillas_girl
10-13-2005, 05:20 PM
What show?

lunahielo
10-13-2005, 05:59 PM
Originally posted by french-guru
don't cry, I am sure he is going to get better really soon. now cheer up
Thanks. :wavey:
I had just heard the news when I posted the :sad:
I feel better now~~hopefully Roger will heal well.
Thank you for the :hug:

ste
10-13-2005, 06:48 PM
THANKYOU MY Dear ste~!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BIG KISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS~!!!! :kiss: :kiss: :kiss: :kiss: :bowdown: :bowdown: :woohoo: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

you're welcome Suk

ytben
10-14-2005, 03:32 AM
:sobbing: i haven't been online in a while and i just heard about roger's injury. i hope he gets better really soon, i was just thinking the other day about how much i miss him since he hasn't been playing :sad: the most important thing is for him to rest, and get healthy again, i hope it's nothing too serious. i'll be doing my best to send him lots of good vibes and lots of :hug:

i'm so annoyed by all the people in gm that are "glad" to hear this news because of some bull that finally things will be competitive. roger is never guaranteed to win anything and i don't know who wants their faves to win tournaments without having to beat the best guys to do it anyway. :(

Paulie, ditto on every words you wrote. Me so sad :sad: :sad: :sad: I was really looking forward to Madrid to see him again finally.... and now this..... :sad:

GM are craps :fiery:

Billabong
10-14-2005, 04:13 AM
Please give us any news on the progress of Rogi's recovery!!! I hope to see positive news soon:)

Nocko
10-14-2005, 04:27 AM
Rogi... :sad: how dissapointed he is ! But he really needs to rest. This injury may helps him a bit.
Take care of yourself, Relax with your familly and your friends. Good Luck for TMC in Shanghai. :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:

SUKTUEN
10-14-2005, 08:51 AM
Thanks,
Roger GOOD LUCK IN Shanghai~!!!! :wavey:

Doris Loeffel
10-14-2005, 08:56 AM
Just curious here, Roger is going to be at Basel even if he is not playing?


I'm sure he'll be around for some media stuff and also to release his just been founded Fan Club.

Thing is nobody knows when now...

tschaeggy
10-14-2005, 10:38 AM
I'm sure he'll be around for some media stuff and also to release his just been founded Fan Club.

Thing is nobody knows when now...

yes, and we will tell you the news asap!

nobama
10-14-2005, 10:53 AM
So I'm guessing he's at home and will stay there until Shanghai? He doesn't have to go to Madrid to announce his withdrawl does he?

MissMoJo
10-14-2005, 01:20 PM
:sobbing: i haven't been online in a while and i just heard about roger's injury. i hope he gets better really soon, i was just thinking the other day about how much i miss him since he hasn't been playing :sad: the most important thing is for him to rest, and get healthy again, i hope it's nothing too serious. i'll be doing my best to send him lots of good vibes and lots of :hug:

i'm so annoyed by all the people in gm that are "glad" to hear this news because of some bull that finally things will be competitive. roger is never guaranteed to win anything and i don't know who wants their faves to win tournaments without having to beat the best guys to do it anyway. :(
You read my mind paulie...this is worrisome :sad:, i'm anxious to hear more info on the injury, how long he expects to be out etc. in the coming days. GM is well.....GM, i expect some moronic reactions from the usual suspects.whatever. Still, the well wishes outnumber the negative energy of those pathetic people, who would celebrate a player's injury. On the bright side, Rogi's had a great year and it's not over yet. I hope he comes back healthy, happy, motivated and at the top of his game for the remaining tournies this year, with his sights set on solidifying his legacy in 2006. Get well soon Rogi :)

Nocko
10-14-2005, 02:23 PM
Hairouna, did you change your name recently? :confused:

Stevens Point
10-14-2005, 02:43 PM
Hairouna, did you change your name recently? :confused:
She is former MissMojo. :)

SUKTUEN
10-14-2005, 04:49 PM
Is anyone one know from some articles of talking about ~

Is Roger is Mirka first boyfriend?

Nocko
10-14-2005, 05:16 PM
She is former MissMojo. :)

Oh, I see! :D

SUKTUEN
10-14-2005, 05:19 PM
anyone can answer my question?

nobama
10-14-2005, 06:20 PM
On Roger's website someone said there is video from www.telebasel.ch (it's in SwissGerman) and according to people who were there Roger was supposedly crying, so I don't think he's faking anything.

MissMoJo
10-14-2005, 07:26 PM
On Roger's website someone said there is video from www.telebasel.ch (it's in SwissGerman) and according to people who were there Roger was supposedly crying, so I don't think he's faking anything.
omg :sad:

lunahielo
10-14-2005, 07:52 PM
I went to the link..and saw the video links...but don't know what to look for (lack of Swiss-German :( )
I didn't see anything mentioning Federer.
Does anyone know? What words do I look for and where do I click to access the video?
thanks.
luna

gephera
10-14-2005, 08:03 PM
I went to the link..and saw the video links...but don't know what to look for (lack of Swiss-German :( )
I didn't see anything mentioning Federer.
Does anyone know? What words do I look for and where do I click to access the video?
thanks.
luna


Exactly my problem!

Stevens Point
10-14-2005, 08:03 PM
I went to the link..and saw the video links...but don't know what to look for (lack of Swiss-German :( )
I didn't see anything mentioning Federer.
Does anyone know? What words do I look for and where do I click to access the video?
thanks.
luna
You need to find "Rogers Basler Fluch" (means "Roger's Basel curse") in the Windows Media Player list. Scroll it down a bit and you will see the list on the left side. :)

a girl 13
10-14-2005, 08:24 PM
i cant see the video....

Stevens Point
10-14-2005, 08:29 PM
i cant see the video....
Make sure you have Windows Media Player. If you have it and still can't see it, maybe you need to upgrade it. You can upgrade it here http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/download/AllDownloads.aspx?displang=en&qstechnology=

a girl 13
10-14-2005, 08:45 PM
thanks stevens

Stevens Point
10-14-2005, 08:49 PM
thanks stevens
Hey hallo! Hoest!? :)

I hope you can see it! :)

tschaeggy
10-14-2005, 09:28 PM
You need to find "Rogers Basler Fluch" (means "Roger's Basel curse") in the Windows Media Player list. Scroll it down a bit and you will see the list on the left side. :)

before you can find "Rogers Basler Fluch" you have to click on "archiv", then scroll to "Tägliche Sendungen" and then you find "7vor7 Einzelberichte" and there you are :) good luck,
but actually you don't see Roger getting his injury, only people who talk about it.

lunahielo
10-14-2005, 10:03 PM
Thanks tschaeggy and Stevens Point :hug:
I was able to get it and enjoyed watching it.
I was actually able to understand a few words! :)

Minnie
10-15-2005, 09:29 PM
Roger crying? Aaaaahhh. :hug: But having been through a torn ankle ligament myself (twice), I understood perfectly the anguish he must have felt knowing that in a split second something has happened that will put him out of physical action for a few weeks. I'm sure though, like me, he'll have a complete recovery - even more so with all the best treatment he'll have (not to mention how much fitter he is than I was!). But it does take time ... a lesson I had to learn the hard way. :yeah:

SUKTUEN
10-16-2005, 11:26 AM
OH MY GOD, I cannot read German

avocadoe
10-16-2005, 01:43 PM
Minnie-glad you recovered and thanks for sharing that. I'm sure Roger will, too. He must feel so frustrated and disappointed though. I know I do! I love that he can cry at moments like that. Part of his genuineness that I admire.

Dirk
10-16-2005, 03:42 PM
Ninja will be fine I hope for the Cup. I am just glad it was not more serious. They should cancel Basel forever because it hurts Roger. :(

Minnie
10-16-2005, 10:23 PM
Minnie-glad you recovered and thanks for sharing that. I'm sure Roger will, too. He must feel so frustrated and disappointed though. I know I do! I love that he can cry at moments like that. Part of his genuineness that I admire.


Thanks avocadoe :wavey: I admire a guy who's not afraid to show his emotions too! BTW, I know its old news, but did anyone post about the time Roger played Real Tennis at Hampton Court back in June? If not, I have a copy I can post.

Daniel
10-17-2005, 03:27 AM
Get Well Roger :)

Daniel
10-17-2005, 03:32 AM
Federer ankle injury curtails football fantasyPublished: Sunday, 16 October, 2005, 12:54 PM Doha Time

MADRID: Confined to crutches for another week as he hopes to fast-track healing on a ligament injury to his right ankle, Roger Federer will be forced to forego his Spanish football dream this weekend.
The Swiss tennis world number 1 is now facing a fight for fitness in time to play at next month’s season-ending Masters Cup in Shanghai.
As a result of the injury he suffered this week during training at home, Federer will miss the Madrid Masters starting tomorrow. He is also out of his hometown event in Basel and likely the Paris Masters to follow.
But in addition, the football-mad Swiss will have to forego his planned attendance at the dream derby in the Spanish league between rivals Athletico and Real Madrid.
The tennis ace is a longtime football fanatic, giving up a promising career on the pitch as a youngster with the Basel club to focus on his other sporting speciality.
The injury threw more than just Federer’s tennis schedule into chaos. It means he will miss the chance to meet with fellow world sporting hero, French player Zinedine Zidane of Real Madrid.
“I’ll be one more week on crutches, so it doesn’t seem very professional to interrupt the treatment”, Federer said, declining an invitation to travel to Madrid anyway for the penultimate Masters Series of the ATP season.
Two years ago, Federer gave Zidane the racket he used to win the 2003 Masters Cup in Houston and had no doubt been looking forward to watching the football in Madrid.
Federer was able earlier this month to observe his friend in action for France in a 1-1 World Cup qualifying draw in Berne.
“I really wanted to see some good football,” Federer said only days before his injury in anticipation of the Madrid tennis week, where he would have been a strong contender for his 12th title this season.
If he cannot actually travel to Madrid at the behest of organisers and the ATP, the Swiss is likely to give a teleconference on the state of his rehab. (DPA)

RogiFan88
10-17-2005, 03:54 AM
Aww... poor Rogi! Doesn't sound too good tho... still on crutches all week. Good thing he didn't go to Madrid. Probably best to miss Paris also... to fully recuperate. Poor baby!

Puschkin
10-17-2005, 06:11 AM
I am just glad it was not more serious. They should cancel Basel forever because it hurts Roger. :(

I have a better idea, hold the Basel tourney in Vienna instead of the original Vienna tounrey ;)

TenHound
10-17-2005, 06:42 AM
I have a better idea - they should hold up Shanhai til Rog's feel fit enough to attend :) :)

When did he cry? When he tore it or the Press Conference when he annonced he'd have to pull out of up-coming tournaments?

In either case, that should definitely be added to the list of the reasons we love him!!

TenHound
10-17-2005, 06:44 AM
P.S. Scientific studies have been done by American doctors that show it helps the healing process if lots of people pray for you. So, light the incense & focus that energy, pls. everyone :)

lunahielo
10-17-2005, 10:26 AM
Originally posted by TenHound
So, light the incense & focus that energy, pls. everyone

DONE!!~~~Healing Energy~~~~~~~>Roger. :hug:

SUKTUEN
10-17-2005, 03:37 PM
Roger we all love you!

Minnie
10-17-2005, 04:56 PM
I am relieved to read he is probably not now going to travel to Madrid .... thks Daniel for posting that article.

SUKTUEN
10-18-2005, 07:27 AM
Roger is go to basel~!

nobama
10-18-2005, 11:03 AM
Roger is go to basel~!Roger lives there... :confused:

Puschkin
10-18-2005, 11:29 AM
Roger lives there... :confused:
but not in the tennis stadium, I hope ;)

casillas_girl
10-18-2005, 02:29 PM
Doesn't he live in Oberwil?

nobama
10-18-2005, 06:14 PM
Doesn't he live in Oberwil?Yeah you're right. Is that a city near Basel or is it just a neighborhood/burough of Basel? From a map it looks like it's very close to Basel proper.

MissMoJo
10-18-2005, 07:10 PM
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=613694&postcount=82
I have no idea who her purported sources are, has anyone heard anything else since the initial report?:confused: I'm hoping this is bs

Dirk
10-18-2005, 07:17 PM
It could be true. We will know by Paris if Roger could make the cup. It sounded serious but I hope Roger's doctors are right and he can make the Cup and Paris.

Minnie
10-18-2005, 08:50 PM
I so hope this news is only a rumour and has no real truth in it ... I would have thought that a ligament torn almost in 2 would require surgeryand didn't the doctors say in the beginning that the injury would not require surgery?

nobama
10-19-2005, 01:11 AM
I think we should just wait for official news from Roger. Rumors do no good.

nobama
10-19-2005, 01:23 AM
One other thing I was going to say....if this "rumor" really was true, wouldn't it be big news in Switzerland? I haven't seen any Swiss fans post anything here or on rf.com about his injury being more serious. I imagine it would make one of the papers or TV news over there. My guess is Roger will probably make an appearance at the tournament in Basel and maybe then he'll be able to tell us about Paris and TMC.

TenHound
10-19-2005, 01:41 AM
I assumed he was out for the yr. when I heard he had crutches. I'm just hoping that there's no permanent problem. The upside is that it might force him to take Mats' advice more seriously about cutting down his sched. next yr. It'd be soo sad if he missed chance to break JMac's single season record.

Year End's this yr. will be a joke. No one anyone gives a damn about...

nobama
10-19-2005, 01:45 AM
I assumed he was out for the yr. when I heard he had crutches. I'm just hoping that there's no permanent problem. The upside is that it might force him to take Mats' advice more seriously about cutting down his sched. next yr. It'd be soo sad if he missed chance to break JMac's single season record.

Year End's this yr. will be a joke. No one anyone gives a damn about...Roger has not said anything about being out for the year, so don't assume anything! :(

Brianna
10-19-2005, 01:59 AM
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=613694&postcount=82
I have no idea who her purported sources are, has anyone heard anything else since the initial report?:confused: I'm hoping this is bs


I really hope this is not true. Say it isn't so. :sad: :sad:

Billabong
10-19-2005, 02:23 AM
Ouch:sad: I really hope he can make it to Shanghai, but this seems really serious:sad:..

Billabong
10-19-2005, 02:36 AM
BTW in October 2001 Martina Hingis tore 3 ligaments in her ankle and was only able to come back in January.. She needed surgery though..

Fergie
10-19-2005, 02:51 AM
BTW in October 2001 Martina Hingis tore 3 ligaments in her ankle and was only able to come back in January.. She needed surgery though..
Oh please don't remember me that terrible day :sad:

Get well soon Rogi :hug:

Billabong
10-19-2005, 03:00 AM
Oh please don't remember me that terrible day :sad:

Get well soon Rogi :hug:

:hug::hug::hug:

yanchr
10-19-2005, 06:11 AM
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=613694&postcount=82
I have no idea who her purported sources are, has anyone heard anything else since the initial report?:confused: I'm hoping this is bs
Oh pls this should not be true... :sad: :sad: :sad: :sad:

oneandonlyhsn
10-19-2005, 07:03 AM
All these news are not good for my heart :sobbing:

Yasmine
10-19-2005, 08:05 AM
Oh please don't remember me that terrible day :sad:

Get well soon Rogi :hug:
:hug: crap I always hated bloody injuries, now Kim is back on track, I don't want Roger too :sad:... Seriously Roger, take the time you need to get better -even if that means we have to be patient- and you'll be back right on top of your form where you belong... :angel:

SUKTUEN
10-19-2005, 08:56 AM
OH NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ~!!!!!!!! :eek: :bigcry: :bigcry: :bigcry: :bigcry: :bigcry: :bigcry: :bigcry:

MY GOD PLEASE PLEASE SAVE Roger~!!

PLEASE MY LORD~!!!!!!!! :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

nobama
10-19-2005, 11:16 AM
Guys, let's not get all emotional over "rumors"....let's wait for official word from Roger.

SUKTUEN
10-19-2005, 12:41 PM
I am so worry

ExpectedWinner
10-19-2005, 02:40 PM
The worst case scenario is a surgery. Everything that heals in that area w/o surgery is nothing to cry about.

Nocko
10-19-2005, 03:15 PM
Just weit for the anouncement from Rogi. we can only wait and pray. :angel:
We love you , Rogi! We love you so much! :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:

SUKTUEN
10-19-2005, 03:24 PM
GOD PLEASE PLEASE save Roger~!! :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship:

GOD PLEASE give Roger healthy~! :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship:

a girl 13
10-19-2005, 03:57 PM
GOD PLEASE HELP HIM TO GET BETTER!!!!!! :sad: :sad: :sad: ROGER PLEASE GET BETTER SOON AND STAY HEALTHY :sad: :sad: :sad: :hug: :hug: :hug:

RogiFan88
10-19-2005, 09:18 PM
Let's hope NO NEWS IS GOOD NEWS, in Rogi's own words... I'm SO bored...

french-guru
10-19-2005, 09:55 PM
hopefully this little 'rumor' :ras: isn't true, because by the way many of us reacted of Roger's injury, if it were anymore serious, we would probably collapse and start crying or whatever. :bigcry:

SUKTUEN
10-20-2005, 03:18 AM
GOD PLEASE PLEASE save Roger~!!

GOD PLEASE give Roger healthy~! :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

bokehlicious
10-20-2005, 10:12 AM
One other thing I was going to say....if this "rumor" really was true, wouldn't it be big news in Switzerland? I haven't seen any Swiss fans post anything here or on rf.com about his injury being more serious. I imagine it would make one of the papers or TV news over there.

Totally agree... No news at all in the swiss medias my now... So let's pray it's only rumours and Rog will recover soon !!!

tschaeggy
10-20-2005, 11:22 AM
oh btw. is someone interested in sending me a message for him??

we will give him the red enveloppe in Basel anyway but now with "get-well-soon-again" messages instead of Good luck ones!!

so if you'd like to write some nice words to Roger you can send me these
here my addy:

steffi_w@hotmail.com

I need the messages till Thursday, 20 October 2005 (in a week)

You can still send a message for Rogi by PM me, deadline is Monday, 24th 11am Swisstime :)

Ste, Doris, Eve, me and others will try to deliver the RE to him...i am sure he will be around while the Swissindoors :D

SUKTUEN
10-20-2005, 04:19 PM
i am sure he will be around while the Swissindoors :D

but his leg is ~~I am worry :sad:

Billabong
10-21-2005, 03:34 AM
One thing that can be positive for us guys: Roger still hasn't withdrawn from Paris. If his injury was really really really serious, then he would have absolutely no chance to compete in Paris ansd would have withdrawn already... But it's more than a week since he had the injury and still hasn't withdrawn, so he probably hopes he can still be fit for Paris! If he still feels he has a chance today to play in Paris, then it's because there is a certain progress with his injury and it is not as incredibly dangerous as Emilio Sanchez thought it was! The longer it takes before Roger withdraws from Paris, his chances are increasingly good for him to play Shanghai I think:)! I still think he'll withdraw from Paris because he really wants to be 100% healthy for Shanghai, but I'm confident he'll be fully ready for Shanghai:yeah:! Remember: Paris is in less than 2 weeks and Roger still hasn't withdrawn. So he maybe thinks his injury can be healed within 2 weeks:)! Fingers crossed:D!

SUKTUEN
10-21-2005, 08:44 AM
OH THANKYOU GOD~!!!! :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship:

Daniel
10-21-2005, 08:53 AM
Federer Injury Worse Than Initially Thought?
This worrisome note in The Times:

COULD Roger Federer’s ligament injury be worse than first feared? The Swiss world No 1 would miss the rest of the year if an operation is required on the damage sustained in a routine practice session two weeks ago.

Federer withdrew from the Masters in Madrid and he will not play his home-town tournament in Basle next week. But a whisper gathering strength yesterday is that he has damaged three ligaments, one significantly worse than the other two, and that an operation cannot be ruled out.

I thought the silence from the Federer camp this week was ominous. Federer was supposed to see the doctors for further tests the day after he made the injury announcement (October 12) and we haven't heard a word from them since.

Hopefully it's just a rumor but the author of the article, Neil Harman, doesn't usually speculate idly.

article from : protennisfan.com

Daniel
10-21-2005, 08:55 AM
Nadal the Only One Who Can Bother Federer
By far my favorite tennis article of the day in The Times: Spanish pirate out to make Federer walk the plank (registration required)

ALTHOUGH Andy Murray may contend differently, there is only one man in tennis who gives Roger Federer the quivers. Rafael Nadal won a match yesterday on one good leg, which rather gets to the heart of the 19-year-old and the impact he is having on a sport that used to be known for its genteel, garden-party environment.

Ask Nadal to a garden party and he will greet the hosts graciously, for he is polite to the point of bashfulness, but do not ask him to play a tennis match because the grass would be torn to shreds, the neighbours would wonder what his curdling cry of “vamos” meant and, if they were enticed to peer over the fence, they would be confronted by a piratical leviathan who is actually not half as chilling as he looks.

Chilled would be more appropriate, for Nadal has one simple desire in life. He is about winning tennis matches and the chances are that he is going to be doing a lot more of that as the years pass. While he is about it, Nadal is attracting to his chosen sport youngsters who want to be like him...

Tennis cannot buy that...

All of Spain is in raptures, which brings a different kind of problem because there are those — Juan Carlos Ferrero to the fore — who have become a bit miffed that the youngster receives so much acclaim.

But Ferrero, nice man that he is, is not a Nadal and never will be. He was never a crowd-rouser, he does not have the mannerisms, exhibit the sheer joy of playing or show off the prominent muscles which just add to the allure of the teenager. Ferrero is a muck-and-nettles player who, although a grand-slam champion, cannot disguise the fact that an autograph session for him would speedily disband when Nadal came into view.

That is the way it goes...

For the final three tournaments of the year, here, in Paris and at the Masters Cup in Shanghai, the “pirata” three-quarter length trousers have been left in the cupboard. In discussions with Nike, his clothing sponsor, Nadal proposed that he tried more normal shorts for a while. “I just wanted to see how the shorts felt again, I like them,” he said. “Just a change, nothing permanent. The piratas will be back in Australia (for the Australian Open in January).”

SUKTUEN
10-21-2005, 08:56 AM
OH MY LORD~!!!!

PLEASE save Roger~!!

oneandonlyhsn
10-21-2005, 10:48 AM
Plz God save Rogi, plz let him him heal quickly without any complications plz :crying2:

nobama
10-21-2005, 11:14 AM
Roger said he would miss Madrid and Basel. What more is he supposed to say? My guess is if he attends the tournament in Basel (he did last year) he'll give an update then. But I'm not going to panic or be all worried because it doesn't do any good.

Folks, let's just send love and prayers to Roger. :hug: I'm sure he wouldn't want us all worried and sad.

Fergie
10-21-2005, 12:12 PM
Federer Injury Worse Than Initially Thought?
This worrisome note in The Times:

COULD Roger Federer’s ligament injury be worse than first feared? The Swiss world No 1 would miss the rest of the year if an operation is required on the damage sustained in a routine practice session two weeks ago
No god no!!! :sobbing: :hysteric: :bigcry: :crying2:

tschaeggy
10-21-2005, 01:02 PM
You can still send a message for Rogi by PM me, deadline is Monday, 24th 11am Swisstime :)

Ste, Doris, Eve, me and others will try to deliver the RE to him...i am sure he will be around while the Swissindoors :D.

Thanks Daniel and Nocko for your messages for Rogi :yeah:

I really hope that these news about Roger's injuriy aren't true, but let's wait and see!
We will inform you as soon as we here something at the Swissindoors.

nobama
10-21-2005, 01:05 PM
Thanks Daniel and Nocko for your messages for Rogi :yeah:

I really hope that these news about Roger's injuriy aren't true, but let's wait and see!
We will inform you as soon as we here something at the Swissindoors.Yeah! Thank you! Hopefully then we will get some real news from Roger's team, and hopefully it is all good. :)

avocadoe
10-21-2005, 01:06 PM
I'm officially worried :( :( :(

Billabong
10-21-2005, 01:16 PM
me too:sad: This rumour is really frightening:scared::sad: But if it was that much serious, why didn't he withdraw from Paris yet?? It's in less than 2 weeks! I'm all confused right now, nobody seems to know what is really happening with the injury right now:confused::sad:..

Nocko
10-21-2005, 01:23 PM
I think Rogi need more time to decide. Usually we have to see how recovery is for a week or more. Just pray for him and be patient . We are always with Rogi , aren't we? ;)

yanchr
10-21-2005, 02:29 PM
me too:sad: This rumour is really frightening:scared::sad: But if it was that much serious, why didn't he withdraw from Paris yet?? It's in less than 2 weeks! I'm all confused right now, nobody seems to know what is really happening with the injury right now:confused::sad:..
That is the thing which worries me most. Why not even a single word from Roger or his camp??? That is not good...At least Roger should come out annoucing sth to stop those kind of rumors which won't help him at all, even if things not look very positive...

I will pray for him every day, every hour, every minute, every second...

God, pls help him if he needs

nobama
10-21-2005, 02:58 PM
Roger said in his statement that he would not play Madrid and Basel. What more does he need to say? He probably doesn't even know this "rumor" is out there (because it's not widespread), and is enjoying this time off (as much as he can considering the circumstances).

RogiFan88
10-21-2005, 03:04 PM
I'm sure the reason we haven't heard officially fr Rogi is because he wants to make absolutely sure about his condition and whether or not he can play Paris BEFORE telling the tennis world. He will have to make a decision about Paris by mid-next week I think, before the official w/d time.

All I can say is I miss ROGI... poor baby!

lunahielo
10-21-2005, 03:05 PM
Originally posted by Nocko
We are always with Rogi , aren't we?
__________________
Oh Yes!! :) :)
I continue to send healing energy~~~~~~~~~>Roger.
I hope he's not in too much pain. :sad:

lunahielo
10-21-2005, 03:06 PM
And~~~I will continue to also stay positive. :)

MissMoJo
10-21-2005, 03:10 PM
All the best to him, i really hope we'll hear that he's recovering and will be able to play the rest of the season soon. As long as whatever this injury is doesn't affect his long term health, i'll be grateful. Let's keep the faith :)

PaulieM
10-21-2005, 03:15 PM
hi guys, i haven't been on mtf in ages but i just read the blurb about roger and rumors of possible surgery and i knew everyone here would be feeling exactly the same things i am. i hope to god it's not true, i'm so sad and worried about him. i hope he gets better really soon. i'm definitely sending lots of positive thoughts and wishes his way :hug: :hug:

ExpectedWinner
10-21-2005, 04:04 PM
Why would his medical records be released to Emilio Sanchez out of all people. :confused: The next most stupidest thing to do is to inform uncle Tony. :devil:

Dirk
10-21-2005, 05:55 PM
Roger doesn't fear Andy or Nadal. Roger will figure out how to handle Nadal's FH better in the future and make less errors. Let's not indulge in rumors. Roger will tell us the truth next year.

french-guru
10-22-2005, 12:47 AM
This is soo terrible! I never thought i would say this, but I would give up my television, bed, violin, guitar, and computer, to have Roger better than ever. We desperately need Roger to recooperate and get back to tennis and win many tournaments as he possibly can!

nobama
10-22-2005, 01:06 AM
CLICK HERE FOR SOME ROGER VIDEOS (http://www.telebasel.ch/php/videoarchiv/index.php?site=suchen&lang=de&suchtext=federer&cat=%7B%21%21%21%21%21cat%21%21%21%21%21%7D&email=E-Mail&name=Name&action=sub)

They're all in German, unfortunately. :sad: There's one where you get to here his mom and dad speak too!

case
10-22-2005, 03:23 AM
I hope the rumors arent true about his injury, but all this sure sounds a lot like the what was being said about Safin and Gasquet, doesnt it? And we now know they arent playing.

Billabong
10-22-2005, 04:31 AM
still waiting for news......................:sad::scared:

TenHound
10-22-2005, 05:33 AM
3 injured ligaments?? What holds his foot on now? :) :(

Does anyone know if it's the same foot w/the plantar fasciitis, or do both have that?

It's getting so late now, that he wouldn't even have 3 mos. to rehab it before AO. (Yes, I'm deliberately not mentioning that he'll miss big record this yr.) Doesn't it usually take a min. of 3 mos. to rehab & rebuild the strength after a ligament repair operation? And no off season work w/Tony, Man of Granite. (Could we pls. borrow him til '08 & stick him in the White House til we get a real President again?)

Rog...We Miss You Darling!!

Year Ends are totally down the toilet. No Roger, no Marat...AA resting his back...Hewitt a Daddy or soon & possibly more surgery for him too...Thugs w/bad tendinitis...oh, but Pandy will be there! Wow...can't hardly wait... final of Pandy v. Gimpy Thuggy......Jesus, I'd rather watch Guga v. Flip!!

And while today is a day of dismal tennis news, did y'all see that Alicia Molik has not recovered & is being forced into medical retirement. Not clear from art. if she's being impatient, or if doctors told her that she'd never improve. Just got to like her @AO. Of all the people I'd pay to push into retirement...

NYCtennisfan
10-22-2005, 06:15 AM
Tennis is definitely a lot more boring without its master playing.

SUKTUEN
10-22-2005, 03:14 PM
GOD GOD GOD ~!!!!

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE~!!

PLEASE listen to my pray~!!!

Please save Roger~!!! GOD~!! :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship:

MissMoJo
10-22-2005, 04:31 PM
What suktuen said :p

SUKTUEN
10-22-2005, 04:32 PM
What suktuen said :p
:hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:

nobama
10-22-2005, 04:59 PM
And~~~I will continue to also stay positive. :)

:)

SUKTUEN
10-22-2005, 05:06 PM
hope Roger can play and play well in shanghai~!

nobama
10-22-2005, 05:18 PM
Originally Posted by Alvarillo in GM
In his press conference today in Madrid Rafa told that has spoken with Roger, the swiis told him that he will be in Shanghai but he probably won't play Paris AMSThis is positive news. Now hopefully people can calm down and not be so worried. :)

yanchr
10-22-2005, 05:22 PM
YES cheers for that :bounce::bounce: Hope this positive *rumor* is true :p

SUKTUEN
10-22-2005, 05:25 PM
Roger will be fine~~~!!!Roger will be fine~~~!!!Roger will be fine~~~!!!
Roger will be fine~~~!!!Roger will be fine~~~!!!Roger will be fine~~~!!! :D :D :D

Brianna
10-22-2005, 07:15 PM
Get well soon Roger! I hope you are able to play in Shanghai. :)

nobama
10-22-2005, 07:18 PM
Ok here's more from GM. This isn't a "RUMOR" :( these are actual words coming from Rafa's mouth.

Nadal said he had been on the telephone to Federer asking how he was recovering from the ankle injury that ruled him out of the Madrid tournament.

"I spoke to him the other day and he said he'd love to be able to play in (the Masters Cup in) Shanghai and for the good of tennis I hope he's there," said Nadal.

"Although we are rivals I've got a good relationship with him because he's a great person and very easy going and that's important."

MissMoJo
10-22-2005, 07:19 PM
Yeah, this version doesn't sound very hopeful

a girl 13
10-22-2005, 07:29 PM
[Ok here's more from GM. This isn't a "RUMOR" :( these are actual words coming from Rafa's mouth.
3 x shit :sad: :sad: :sad: :sad: :sad: :sad: :sad: :sad: :sad: :sad: :sad: :sad: :sad: :sad: :sad: :sad: : :sad: ROGER MUST PLAY MASTERS CUP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

nobama
10-22-2005, 07:30 PM
More from Rafa:

Q. You were saying you spoke to Federer the other day. Was that on the telephone?

Yeah, I spoke to him on the phone. I asked him how he was feeling with his ankle, he had a problem. He was wearing crutches still, but he hopes to be in Shanghai. He wishes to be there. We just have to be patient, folks. Just wait and see.

ExpectedWinner
10-22-2005, 07:33 PM
I'd love to hear from him. The only thing I want to know if he needs a surgery. If he is not fit to play this year but surgery can be avoided, then I'm not worried.

nobama
10-22-2005, 07:51 PM
I'd love to hear from him. The only thing I want to know if he needs a surgery. If he is not fit to play this year but surgery can be avoided, then I'm not worried.I hope he attends Basel next week and says more about his condition. You'd think they would know by now if he can't play the rest of the year. If there was no way he could play in Shanghai he wouldn't tell Rafa that he hopes to be there, would he? He hasn't even officially withdrawn from Paris, although I suppose he'll do that right before the deadline.

Me thinks Roger is being more positive/optimistic about this than his fans, and he's the one with the injury. Were people so gloomy last year when his participation in TMC was up in the air?

nobama
10-22-2005, 08:43 PM
I posted this in GM...

Here's what Roger said last year a couple of weeks before TMC Houston. To me those comments sound more depressing than anything he's said so far this year. And of course we all know what happened last year...

This is a big blow for me," said Federer, winner of three Grand Slam titles this season.

"I hope I can play in Houston but I don't know. I know it will be very tight, very difficult and I don't want to take too much risk."

Federer was due to play in the Swiss Indoors in his hometown Basel but suffered the injury during practice on Monday.

"It's a huge, huge disappointment for me, obviously," said Federer. "I've been to this tournament many, many times both as a player and a ballboy.

"I really thought I had a big chance to win this year."

The 23-year-old has been told by doctors to rest for 10 to 14 days, meaning he is almost certain to miss next week's Paris Masters.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/tennis/3956873.stm

soraya
10-22-2005, 09:15 PM
Ok here's more from GM. This isn't a "RUMOR" :( these are actual words coming from Rafa's mouth.

How nice of rafa calling rogi to inquire about his health. that is refreshing to say the least.

french-guru
10-22-2005, 09:32 PM
I do hope Roger is feeling better and it is nice that Rafa checks up on him, but why did Rafa withdrew from Madrid tournament, or did he withdraw? confused :confused: here!!!

Skyward
10-22-2005, 09:44 PM
" The 23-year-old has been told by doctors to rest for 10 to 14 days ."

That's the part we don't have now. The silence from his doctors has been dreadful. :sad:

NYCtennisfan
10-22-2005, 10:24 PM
I really hope that Federer can play again this year. BTW, if Federer doesn't play again and Nadal wins either Paris or the TMC, he has a legitmate shot at taking over the #1 spot at the AO next year. Fed's lead could be very slim going into the AO if Rafa keeps winning.

Minnie
10-22-2005, 10:35 PM
I really hope that Federer can play again this year. BTW, if Federer doesn't play again and Nadal wins either Paris or the TMC, he has a legitmate shot at taking over the #1 spot at the AO next year. Fed's lead could be very slim going into the AO if Rafa keeps winning.


This is what has been worrying me too :( :sad: And though I don't care for Rafa's style of game, it was nice to read that he has been in touch with Roger and asking how he is getting on. We are ALL anxious to know that!

nobama
10-22-2005, 11:37 PM
" The 23-year-old has been told by doctors to rest for 10 to 14 days ."

That's the part we don't have now. The silence from his doctors has been dreadful. :sad:But if nothing has changed what are they supposed to say? We already know he's not playing Basel. He hasn't withdrawn from Paris yet, but probably will.

nobama
10-22-2005, 11:44 PM
I really hope that Federer can play again this year. BTW, if Federer doesn't play again and Nadal wins either Paris or the TMC, he has a legitmate shot at taking over the #1 spot at the AO next year. Fed's lead could be very slim going into the AO if Rafa keeps winning.This is true and Roger has a ton of points to defend early next year. But if he didn't have those points to defend he wouldn't be #1 right now, Rafa would be. This year so far AO and Canada are the only titles he hasn't defended, but he replaced Canada with Cincy so no point loss there, and he won Rotterdam and Miami which helped make up the lost points at AO. It will be hard to do this again in 2006. But not many players have been able to stay #1 for the entire year for consecutive years. So Roger many lose #1 at some point next year, but hopefully will end the year at #1 again. :)

Skyward
10-22-2005, 11:56 PM
But if nothing has changed what are they supposed to say?

I'd like to hear how much time (approximately) he needs to get his fitness back- 10 days, 1 month, 6 month (god forbid).

nobama
10-23-2005, 12:04 AM
I'd like to hear how much time (approximately) he needs to get his fitness back- 10 days, 1 month, 6 month (god forbid).Some Swiss fans posted on rf.com that they'll be working at the tournament in Basel. Hopefully they'll be able to tell us more next week (if Roger doesn't himself). I'm sure that will be a topic for discussion at the tournament. I hope Roger makes an appearance at the tournament like he did last year.

jtipson
10-23-2005, 12:13 AM
But not many players have been able to stay #1 for the entire year for consecutive years. So Roger may lose #1 at some point next year, but hopefully will end the year at #1 again. :)

That's my fear too. I'm much more interested in him getting the consecutive weeks at number one record than being number one at year-end (although he will have to do that too next year if he is going to break Connors' record). It's a pity he hasn't been able to play since Bangkok as he could have set himself up very well for the beginning of next year.

Only guys to have been number one for two entire calendar years of course are the previously-refenced American (1975-6), and Ivan Lendl (1986-7).

nobama
10-23-2005, 12:21 AM
That's my fear too. I'm much more interested in him getting the consecutive weeks at number one record than being number one at year-end (although he will have to do that too next year if he is going to break Connors' record). It's a pity he hasn't been able to play since Bangkok as he could have set himself up very well for the beginning of next year.

Only guys to have been number one for two entire calendar years of course are the previously-refenced American (1975-6), and Ivan Lendl (1986-7).Yeah, but people still remember Pete's six years as YE #1 than Conners or Lendl. I'd love to see Roger remain #1 for all of 2006, but I think that will be near impossible. I'm still amazed at what he's been able to accomplish this year. :eek:

TenHound
10-23-2005, 12:37 AM
If the doctors said rest 10-14 days, that means they'll re-evaluate the progress of the healing at that time to see if surgery or whatever will be necessary. Nothing to report til then. Does anyone know when that interval is over?

I'm disappointed that he misses chance to better JMac's single season record. But first & foremost I'm concerned that this heals 100% w/no long term effects, unlike his plantar fasciitis which has degraded his game this year, although everyone except JMac refuses to discuss it.

What does consecutive wks. @#1 record look like? How much longer would he have to hold on to grab it?

As for next yr, it's too soon to worry. Thuggy's already come down w/severe tendinitis, so who knows about his knee next yr. And who knows how he'll play on hard courts next yr. Plus he's playing Eur. in winter, so it's unclear how that will affect his points, if he doesn't play well there w/so many clay court points to defend. God knows about this experimental treatment that Safin's trying on his knee. I don't know if it's for ligaments or tendons. If it's for ligaments, wonder if Roger will try it. Recovery/rehab. from repair surgery must be onerous otherwise I'd expect Safin would have had it immediately. Would Roger have to be out for 6 mos. to have his ranking protected?

In short, my take on next yr. is too many unknows to worrry about any of it now. Who would have thought that Roger would develop plantar fasciitis @beg. of this yr & have such a difficult time...or that Thuggy would explode to the top...so, let's sit tight...Years in tennis are often discontinuous events, whatever the calendar may say.

RogiFan88
10-23-2005, 02:39 AM
Rafa basically called Rogi to congratulate him on Wimbledon and USO and to see how he was doing.

It's possible that Rafa, after he wins Madrid tomorrow, will decide not to play Basel and Paris as he won't really need to -- and rest his knees so he can be fully fit to win Shanghai. ;)

soonha
10-23-2005, 03:45 AM
People here seem to be over-worried and impatient.

If his doctors said he would need a 10-14 days rest, it meant his injury was not so serous. Thus it made sense to me that he withdrew only from Madrid and Basel, not from Paris(I'm pretty sure he will pull out of it anyhow).

If his injury would be significant and more severe than mild, the doctors should have ordered a longer rest(at least 4 weeks) or surgery in the first place because, needless to say, the ankle ligaments are so important for athletes that under-diagnosis and -treatment would mean the end of their careers.

On the other hand, it's totally natural that there are no comments from him or his team. Isn't it just about 10 days past when the news of his injury reported? I mean it's too early to tell something about the condition of his ankle at this moment. IMO, his ankle will be re-evaluated by doctors within next week and decided on if and when he will be able to play. Of course he'd have to take a rest for extra 1-2 weeks if healing is poor, or at the worst scenario, actually undergo surgery if something unexpected happens, which however seems highly unlikely.

I don't have any idea where the source of this "rumor" is and whether it is reliable. But remember that a similar rumor was spreading around when he was off after Wimbledon because of plantar fasciitis. At that time some of media people reported that his foot injury was a more serious one than announced, which of course was proven wrong by him winning Cinci and USO back-to-back right after the rest. I think that Rogi is just a cautious guy who saves words until everything comes clear to him. But it seems that people and esp. media often misunderstand his silence as "hiding something (bad or serious)".

At the moment nothing has changed since he injured, hasn't it? Then it means there are no extra things to be worried about. Let's be patient and just hope him to get well soon.

Skyward
10-23-2005, 04:14 AM
If his doctors said he would need a 10-14 days rest, it meant his injury was not so serous.

When did they say it?(I must have missed something). Mirkaland's quote is from last year.

ExpectedWinner
10-23-2005, 04:49 AM
Rafa basically called Rogi to congratulate him on Wimbledon and USO and to see how he was doing.

It's possible that Rafa, after he wins Madrid tomorrow, will decide not to play Basel and Paris as he won't really need to -- and rest his knees so he can be fully fit to win Shanghai. ;)

:lol: Isn't it a little late for congratulations? :rolleyes: I think it's safe to say that he called to find out how good his chances are for grabbing the no1 spot in the near future.

ExpectedWinner
10-23-2005, 04:57 AM
If his injury would be significant and more severe than mild, the doctors should have ordered a longer rest(at least 4 weeks) or surgery in the first place because, needless to say, the ankle ligaments are so important for athletes that under-diagnosis and -treatment would mean the end of their careers.



Any surgery is a last resort for a professonal athlete. Unfortunately, things are not always black and white; a lot of cases are somewhat inconcluisive . At first conservative treatment is offered and if an injury is not responsive, doctors will be sharpening their knives. :(

soonha
10-23-2005, 05:11 AM
When did they say it?(I must have missed something). Mirkaland's quote is from last year.
I speculated that the doctors had recommanded a minimum 2-week rest, which is conventional for a mild ankle injury like stretch or partial tearing of a ligament, because he announced a withdrawal from Madrid and Basel but not from Paris. But I don't expect him to go to Paris since I think it's too early and meaningless to play and take risks. His doctors also said, "he may also be ruled out of the Paris Masters, which starts on October 31, but can be fit to defend the season-ending Masters Cup event in Shanghai". (http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=tennisNews&storyID=URI:urn:newsml:reuters.com:20051012:MTFH94 848_2005-10-12_22-23-13_L12133204:1)

soonha
10-23-2005, 05:21 AM
Any surgery is a last resort for a professonal athlete. Unfortunately, things are not always black and white; a lot of cases are somewhat inconcluisive . (
Of course, it is. Probably I'm the one who knows of what the surgery is about more than anyone here.

But some members in this forum were told somewhere that Rogi's injury was a 3-ligament tearing, which definitely needs surgery. I meant to be referring that case.