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Rafa, FED~~really want `status quo`ATP?..#De.Villy resented for being tennis outsider

CmonAussie
04-16-2007, 03:45 PM
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I wonder if FED truly understands how the ATP changes were going to work & the fact that De.Disney`s master plan was actually to see FED break all the records [successive years at #1 etc..]:devil:


For instance this week only a handful of players have 1st Rd byes at Monte Carlo & this is due to De.Disney`s reforms~ in an attempt to get his big drawcards [& FED`s the biggest drawcard] into all the major finals. The bye at Monte Carlo gives Roger more time to rest & enables him to be fresh near the business end;)

Also the 2009 calender was going to give greater weight to faster court players & less emphasis to slower court players [as witnessed by the plans to scrap two clay AMS events (MC & Hamburg)]... This new emphasis was surely going to help FED maintain the #1 ranking in the ensuing years, as his main challenger for the top spot, Rafa Nadal, was the one who was going to be disadvantaged:eek: .. The new schedule would have helped FED cement his legend to an even greater degree:devil:


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Is Jesus Fed:angel: actually such an angel that he`s more concerned about the affects the new ATP schedule was going to have on clay courters or did he simply not realise that De.Disney was actually doing everything in his power to help FED maintain his amazing run at the top:confused: :confused:




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How short are people`s memories???!!!!><...

`@@`At the AO just a few months ago Federer was asked his opinion about changes to the ATP tour & making Madrid AMS a big joint tourney on clay!!

-->> Then FED said something to the effect:"...there are enough big tourneys in Europe already... I`m more concerned with getting big tourneys to move to Asia & perhaps staging an AMS there".. [*FED`s opinion as of January 2007 (if you don`t believe me I can waste time trying to find the interview but I`d be happy if you took my word for it].

->Fast forward to April 2007 & FED holds a joint press conference with Nadal saying that "we`re unhappy about the rate of changes ... this is just a little cry for help...etc." [yesterday`s breaking sports news].

>Then we arrive at today [April 17th] & hear the news that Shanghai`s AMS status has been confirmed starting 2009!!


~~Hello!!!!
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This is exactly what FED was asking for only a few months ago!!!

He said he wanted to shift big tourneys from Europe/US to Asia & in the last 3-months the ATP has said that 2-years down the track there will be an AMS in Asia for the 1st time & two in Europe will be scaled down!!


%OoO%...
All De.Disney was trying to do was appease FED`s call for the shift towards the Asian tennis boom >>> & looks what poor Villiers gets in return [a kick in the guts in the worst kind of public humiliation]..

I understand FED wants to improve the game of tennis for the worldwide audience but it seems to me that De.Disney had the same idea [albeit with less technical knowledge on the game itself]!!


Poor De.Villiers~ he`s a silly Billy for trying to take FED`s advice on board><...



PS. If FED were aware of his own public contradiction [regarding his comments in light of the changes & his interview at AO just 3-months ago]~~ then he`d probably be embarrassed himself.. Unfortunately nobody is game to tell him his blunder><..

Also I don`t like how Silly Villiers is getting sand in his face!!... FED said himself that "Mark Miles didn`t do enough... & now De.Villiers is doing too much"....

We know FED is a perfectionist but he`s also a hard man!!.. The rough handling of De.Disney [less than a year into the job] is enought to scare anybody else away from wanting the position in the future... Does FED really believe he`d be doing a better job himself if he were in charge of the ATP???!! ... It`s easy to complain but not so easy to take tough decisions & actually bring about the reform that`s being asked for, whilst simultaneously keeping everyone happy by maintaining the current state of affairs!!!!

jole
04-16-2007, 03:48 PM
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tangerine_dream
04-16-2007, 03:49 PM
Your threads are annoying.

IFoughtThe
04-16-2007, 03:49 PM
I do sometimes think that they players contradict themselves - they want a better calendar, but they're not prepared to do anything about it.

Then they go and play exhibitions.

Still, it's not a good state of affairs when players as sensible as Roger feel they need to bleat to the media in order to be heard.

That does not reflect well on the ATP's leadership at all.

jayjay
04-16-2007, 03:54 PM
Is Jesus Fed:angel: actually such an angel that he`s more concerned about the affects the new ATP schedule was going to have on clay courters or did he simply not realise that De.Disney was actually doing everything in his power to help FED maintain his amazing run at the top:confused: :confused: [/COLOR][/B]

These clay courters, are these guys like Nadal who just won Indian Wells for example? Maybe Federer realises that it would be a bit stupid to only have 2 clay court Masters, in comparison to at least double that on hard, seeing as clay is quite an important aspect of the season.

CmonAussie
04-16-2007, 04:07 PM
Your threads are annoying:eek: .


Sure retreads are boring & cause snoring:p

CmonAussie
04-16-2007, 04:13 PM
These clay courters, are these guys like Nadal who just won Indian Wells for example? Maybe Federer realises that it would be a bit stupid to only have 2 clay court Masters, in comparison to at least double that on hard, seeing as clay is quite an important aspect of the season.


:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
I knew someone couldn`t resist the bait to take a crack at me for daring to use the words NADAL & CLAY in the same sentence:eek: ... What a crime:devil: :sad:

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Yes I know Nadal can play well on all surfaces~~ yes it`s also a fact that clay is his best suface;)

Yes I know Federer can play well on clay~~ yes it`s also a fact that clay is his worst surface;)

NOTE: Simply pointing out the obvious [Yes Nadal can win Wimby, & yes Federer can win FO....>> are you happy now:confused: ].

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I`m not saying anything radical:cool: , sitll you couldn`t help yourself could you:rolleyes: :confused:

Eden
04-16-2007, 04:13 PM
Is Jesus Fed:angel: actually such an angel that he`s more concerned about the affects the new ATP schedule was going to have on clay courters or did he simply not realise that De.Disney was actually doing everything in his power to help FED maintain his amazing run at the top:confused: :confused:

I think Roger give you the right answer to this question himself ;)


You should never forget that, if you go, somebody else will take your spot. Tennis will live on, you know, but you won't. You're just there in the moment itself, you know. You can never be bigger than the game. And I think you always have to remember that.

Source: http://sixtyminutes.ninemsn.com.au/sixtyminutes/stories/2005_08_28/story_1490.asp

CmonAussie
04-16-2007, 04:17 PM
I think Roger give you the right answer to this question himself ;)



Source: http://sixtyminutes.ninemsn.com.au/sixtyminutes/stories/2005_08_28/story_1490.asp


:wavey:
OK~~> FED has simply confirmed his JESUS status:worship: :angel:

Seriously I know he`s a good guy;) .. But I feel sorry for De.Disney:sad: ~ he`s just a Fed fan like many & he wanted to do his best to see Roger break records held by Sampras, Borg, Connors, Lendl etc.. Poor Disney, talk about being kicked in the teeth:eek:

bokehlicious
04-16-2007, 04:26 PM
What the hell are you on CmonAussie ? :confused: seems some good stuff :)

RogiFan88
04-16-2007, 04:27 PM
you mean "to spite his face"?

Beforehand
04-16-2007, 04:30 PM
Isn't it "to spite", or am I on crack?

bobito
04-16-2007, 04:31 PM
FED cutting off his nose :eek:

CmonAussie
04-16-2007, 04:34 PM
Isn't it "to spite", or am I on crack?

:wavey:
Oops I must be on the wrack:sad:

jayjay
04-16-2007, 04:35 PM
[QUOTE=CmonAussie;5200995]:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
I knew someone couldn`t resist the bait to take a crack at me for daring to use the words NADAL & CLAY in the same sentence:eek: ... What a crime:devil: :sad:

No, not a crime. Just stupidity, which you knew already and why you expected to be called on that.

For the record, I don't care about Nadal here, I was referring to the "clay courters" tag which encompasses more players than just Nadal, and many of those players who excel on clay, actually do pretty well for themselves away from clay and far better in comparison to their "fast court" counterparts. You stated the new format would harm the clay courters, when actually it'll make little difference in that regard to the overall standing.

$%&"(Hope you get what I'm saying here.!!"¬£%^£%

Oops, almost forgot...:rolleyes:

CmonAussie
04-16-2007, 04:42 PM
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No, not a crime. Just stupidity, which you knew already and why you expected to be called on that.

For the record, I don't care about Nadal here, I was referring to the "clay courters" tag which encompasses more players than just Nadal, and many of those players who excel on clay, actually do pretty well for themselves away from clay and far better in comparison to their "fast court" counterparts. You stated the new format would harm the clay courters, when actually it'll make little difference in that regard to the overall standing.

$%&"(Hope you get what I'm saying here.!!"¬£%^£%

Oops, almost forgot...:rolleyes:


:wavey:

Thanks for setting me straight...#"!$%&'*+`@労ポン地ラン虐め差別自分正し約さごめんなさいお偉いさん><。。サヨナラ;) :rolleyes:

jayjay
04-16-2007, 04:44 PM
[QUOTE=jayjay;5201148]


:wavey:

Thanks for setting me straight...#"!$%&'*+`@労ポン地ラン虐め差別自分正し約さごめんなさいお偉いさん><。。サヨナラ;) :rolleyes:

"£$-]###|\\ No :rolleyes: problem.-%£%##';

scoobs
04-16-2007, 04:55 PM
[QUOTE=CmonAussie;5201204]

"£$-]###|\\ No :rolleyes: problem.-%£%##';
:lol:

CmonAussie
04-16-2007, 06:01 PM
I do sometimes think that they players contradict themselves - they want a better calendar, but they're not prepared to do anything about it.

Then they go and play exhibitions.

Still, it's not a good state of affairs when players as sensible as Roger feel they need to bleat to the media in order to be heard.

That does not reflect well on the ATP's leadership at all.


:cool:
Thanks IFoughtThe:D ,~ you were the only one who took my thread seriously..

All these other jokers around here just turn my threads into gobbledygook:sad:


BTW,>> i agree with you that the players often contradict themselves:( ... Worst case reacently was Nadal not playing Davis Cup [he`s getting too old for that at 20yrs] & then playing an exhibition a week later:eek:

CmonAussie
04-16-2007, 06:19 PM
Why is Rogi cutting off his nose? Is he trying to lose weight? :awww:


So Mirka won`t get jealous anymore when other women stare at Rogi`s large prong:eek:

Richard_from_Cal
04-16-2007, 06:26 PM
For instance this week only a handful of players have 1st Rd byes at Monte Carlo& this is due to De.Disney`s reforms~ in an attempt to get his big drawcards [& FED`s the biggest drawcard] into all the major finals. The bye at Monte Carlo gives Roger more time to rest & enables him to be fresh near the business end;)
...taking this issue by itself, I went to the draw and checked. Eight of Sixty-four players received a bye. That's one eighth of the tournament.

What would be sufficient?

Allez
04-16-2007, 06:27 PM
CmonAussie you know I like you but this is just ridiculous :shrug:

CmonAussie
04-16-2007, 06:36 PM
...taking this issue by itself, I went to the draw and checked. Eight of Sixty-four players received a bye. That's one eighth of the tournament.

What would be sufficient?


Monte Carlo never had the bye system in the past~> so every player was required to win 6-matches on clay within a week [quite a challenge].. *Now it`s been made significantly easier for Federer & Nadal to reach the final!!

By giving 1st Rd byes to only the Top-8 players in the draw it`s obvious the ATP is trying to save their golden geese for the business end of the tournament, so they can lay the eggs that brings home the bacon for involved:devil:

CmonAussie
04-16-2007, 06:40 PM
CmonAussie you know I like you but this is just ridiculous :shrug:


:wavey:
Don`t give up on me Allez:cool:
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If I lose you then my supporters will number closer to ZERO:sad: :sad:

danton
04-16-2007, 06:48 PM
I do sometimes think that they players contradict themselves - they want a better calendar, but they're not prepared to do anything about it.

Then they go and play exhibitions.

Still, it's not a good state of affairs when players as sensible as Roger feel they need to bleat to the media in order to be heard.

That does not reflect well on the ATP's leadership at all.

Totally agree - it's like they want all the benefits of change without having to contribute towards it. Also agree this is really bad, ET should listen to the players and if he is going to go against their wishes make sure they understand why.

Kitty de Sade
04-16-2007, 08:30 PM
:unsure: If that's the case, he should keep his nose, to balance out the prong. :tape:

:spit: Oh. my. goodness... :haha:

DDrago2
04-16-2007, 10:41 PM
I am a bit surprised with Federer's attitude, since he is not a claycourter.

I also never quite understood what people have so much agsint Mr. Disney

CmonAussie, how do you know Disney is Federer's supporter? I doubt that

Caerula Sanguis
04-16-2007, 11:12 PM
Just because you (not directing at anyone) are selfish bastards who only thinking about what is better for yourselves, doesn't mean that a guy who actually hope for the better of the sport he loves, doesn't exists.

Beforehand
04-17-2007, 12:53 AM
First round byes at Not Hamburg and Not Cincinnati kind of confuse me.

CmonAussie
04-17-2007, 06:15 AM
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How short are people`s memories???!!!!><...

`@@`At the AO just a few months ago Federer was asked his opinion about changes to the ATP tour & making Madrid AMS a big joint tourney on clay!!

-->> Then FED said something to the effect:"...there are enough big tourneys in Europe already... I`m more concerned with getting big tourneys to move to Asia & perhaps staging an AMS there".. [*FED`s opinion as of January 2007 (if you don`t believe me I can waste time trying to find the interview but I`d be happy if you took my word for it].

->Fast forward to April 2007 & FED holds a joint press conference with Nadal saying that "we`re unhappy about the rate of changes ... this is just a little cry for help...etc." [yesterday`s breaking sports news].

>Then we arrive at today [April 17th] & hear the news that Shanghai`s AMS status has been confirmed starting 2009!!


~~Hello!!!!
...
This is exactly what FED was asking for only a few months ago!!!

He said he wanted to shift big tourneys from Europe/US to Asia & in the last 3-months the ATP has said that 2-years down the track there will be an AMS in Asia for the 1st time & two in Europe will be scaled down!!


%OoO%...
All De.Disney was trying to do was appease FED`s call for the shift towards the Asian tennis boom >>> & looks what poor Villiers gets in return [a kick in the guts in the worst kind of public humiliation]..

I understand FED wants to improve the game of tennis for the worldwide audience but it seems to me that De.Disney had the same idea [albeit with less technical knowledge on the game itself]!!


Poor De.Villiers~ he`s a silly Billy for trying to take FED`s advice on board><...



PS. If FED were aware of his own public contradiction [regarding his comments in light of the changes & his interview at AO just 3-months ago]~~ then he`d probably be embarrassed himself.. Unfortunately nobody is game to tell him his blunder><..

Also I don`t like how Silly Villiers is getting sand in his face!!... FED said himself that "Mark Miles didn`t do enough... & now De.Villiers is doing too much"....

We know FED is a perfectionist but he`s also a hard man!!.. The rough handling of De.Disney [less than a year into the job] is enough to scare anybody else away from wanting the position in the future... Does FED really believe he`d be doing a better job himself if he were in charge of the ATP???!! ... It`s easy to complain but not so easy to take tough decisions & actually bring about the reform that`s being asked for, whilst simultaneously keeping everyone happy by maintaining the current state of affairs!!!!

Allez
04-17-2007, 06:27 AM
The proposed changes have very little to do with Federer and you know it. He is big but NOT THAT BIG. The ATP would never revamp the whole tour to "appease" one tennis player who will be gone in 5 years time even if that player happens to be Rogi. It wouldn't make any sense. Think long term.

CmonAussie
04-17-2007, 06:34 AM
The proposed changes have very little to do with Federer and you know it. He is big but NOT THAT BIG. The ATP would never revamp the whole tour to "appease" one tennis player who will be gone in 5 years time even if that player happens to be Rogi. It wouldn't make any sense. Think long term.



:wavey:
OK :cool: ... I was just making the point about FED`s public contradiction;)

Speaking of "long term"~~ I believe De.Disney`s intiatives are geared towards long term change & making tennis more fan friendly & marketable Worldwide [he doesn`t deserve the public humiliation or constant complaints from players]:sad:

EG. De.Villiers `Hawk Eye` intiative is proving a success:worship: !!

Also moving an AMS to China will surely benefit the game in the long run;)

Allez
04-17-2007, 06:40 AM
:wavey:
OK :cool: ... I was just making the point about FED`s public contradiction;)

Speaking of "long term"~~ I believe De.Disney`s intiatives are geared towards long term change & making tennis more fan friendly & marketable Worldwide [he doesn`t deserve the public humiliation or constant complaints from players]:sad:

EG. De.Villiers `Hawk Eye` intiative is proving a success:worship: !!

Also moving an AMS to China will surely benefit the game in the long run;)

I agree with some of his initiatives including hawk eye and the move to China. But he's doing too much too soon and not taking the player's views into account. What's the logic behind demoting both Hamburg and MC ? Just downgrade Hamburg and upgrade Shanghai. He is a visionary, but like most visionaries he just glosses over the finer detail ~*&~*!

CmonAussie
04-17-2007, 06:44 AM
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I get the feeling that many people [including Jesus FED] simply resent De.Villiers because he was recruited from outside the normal tennis community!!><...

Sad but true~> there are many more tennis snobs than we would care to acknowledge!!

Even Mr.Charming Pants James Blake deflected all of the blame onto Disney after the Las Vegas incident...
Atleast Disney was trying to help the tournament!!... What`s Blake`s excuse???... He was trying to help himself><... & WHO gets all the entire blame for all this??... Why was De.Villiers called at 2am in the morning in the 1st place???


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Disney definitely has some good ideas & if implemented his initiatives could definitely benefit the ATP, fans & players alike!

I wish somebody would cut poor Silly De.Villy some slack!! Especially FED should stop busting his chops everytime there`s a press conference opportunity><!!

Merton
04-17-2007, 06:50 AM
What are you talking about? There is no contradiction, creating a new AMS in China does not imply that the clay season needs to be "reformed" in the way Mr. Disney advocates. The natural thing would be to downgrade one of the two European indoors AMS, preferably Madrid since Paris/Bercy is the only top event on carpet.

CmonAussie
04-17-2007, 07:02 AM
What are you talking about? There is no contradiction, creating a new AMS in China does not imply that the clay season needs to be "reformed" in the way Mr. Disney advocates. The natural thing would be to downgrade one of the two European indoors AMS, preferably Madrid since Paris/Bercy is the only top event on carpet.


:wavey:
The next reform that the ATP will officially announce is expected to be the formation of the combined Madrid AMS event on clay;)

Again De.Villiers trying to keep everyone happy:sad:

Action Jackson
04-17-2007, 07:05 AM
:wavey:
The next reform that the ATP will officially announce is expected to be the formation of the combined Madrid AMS event on clay;)

Again De.Villiers trying to keep everyone happy:sad:

You are a busy man these days it seems.

Merton
04-17-2007, 07:10 AM
You are a busy man these days it seems.

:haha: :haha: :haha: CmonAussie has some good stuff there :smoke:

trixtah
04-17-2007, 07:17 AM
oh.my.goodness. That wall of text just attacked my retinas

CmonAussie
04-17-2007, 01:00 PM
oh.my.goodness. That wall of text just attacked my retinas:eek:


:wavey:
Your retinas[/COLOR]??..~~what the 大丈夫ですか:sad: 。本当にごめなさい、鮮やか色が大好きけどやっぱり敏感な目を見たら危ないですね:eek: 。こんなに迷惑文は許してくれませんか?無理をしないで:><

Bobby
04-17-2007, 01:21 PM
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I get the feeling that many people [including Jesus FED] simply resent De.Villiers because he was recruited from outside the normal tennis community!!><...

Sad but true~> there are many more tennis snobs than we would care to acknowledge!!

Even Mr.Charming Pants James Blake deflected all of the blame onto Disney after the Las Vegas incident...
Atleast Disney was trying to help the tournament!!... What`s Blake`s excuse???... He was trying to help himself><... & WHO gets all the entire blame for all this??... Why was De.Villiers called at 2am in the morning in the 1st place???


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Disney definitely has some good ideas & if implemented his initiatives could definitely benefit the ATP, fans & players alike!

I wish somebody would cut poor Silly De.Villy some slack!! Especially FED should stop busting his chops everytime there`s a press conference opportunity><!!

I agree with you. I don't think De Villiers deserves all this. Yes, he has made some mistakes but he will probably learn from them. Maybe he hasn't been paying enough attention to what the players have said.

But I think all he's trying to do is to change tennis for the better. And it's not always easy. The Federer&Nadal "cry for help" was understandable in a way. They are the ones who actually have to play the schedule. But I'm not sure that the public humiliation of the CEO of ATP will help in the long run. I don't think this will increase the dialogue between the players and De Villiers.

Also, are the changes really happening too fast? There will be an AMS in Shanghai from 2009. That's two years from now. I also think that it's easy for the players to complain about the schedule, upgrading/downgrading of the events, number of clay tournaments and so on. Still, they are not the ones who have to think about the practical issues. ATP is the one who has to think about the locations, facilities, financial issues, how to fit a new tournament to the schedule, talk to the sponsors and so on. And this has to be difficult! Whereas Federer can just say that "yeah, there should be an AMS in China".

CmonAussie
04-17-2007, 01:59 PM
I agree with you. I don't think De Villiers deserves all this. Yes, he has made some mistakes but he will probably learn from them. Maybe he hasn't been paying enough attention to what the players have said.

But I think all he's trying to do is to change tennis for the better. And it's not always easy. The Federer&Nadal "cry for help" was understandable in a way. They are the ones who actually have to play the schedule. But I'm not sure that the public humiliation of the CEO of ATP will help in the long run. I don't think this will increase the dialogue between the players and De Villiers.

Also, are the changes really happening too fast? There will be an AMS in Shanghai from 2009. That's two years from now. I also think that it's easy for the players to complain about the schedule, upgrading/downgrading of the events, number of clay tournaments and so on. Still, they are not the ones who have to think about the practical issues. ATP is the one who has to think about the locations, facilities, financial issues, how to fit a new tournament to the schedule, talk to the sponsors and so on. And this has to be difficult! Whereas Federer can just say that "yeah, there should be an AMS in China".


:wavey:
Thanks Bobby:cool:
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Finally somebody can see my point & is willing to talk some sense:worship:
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Sure I throw in some beer & skittles mumb jumbo to make it more entertaining but the crux of my argument is very serious;) ...

Honestly if De.Villiers quits or gets fired over all these public media humiliations then I for one will be very sad:sad: :sad:
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For goodness sake can`t they throw him a lifeline & show a little support:confused:
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Was it really necessary for FED & Nadal to hold a press conference saying that their not happy with the new guy [since he`s not willing to let things stay the same]:eek:

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Also De.Villiers does have a lot more business clout than FED, Rafa & Mark Miles combined:p .. >> He rescued that white elephant Euro Disney in France & turned it around from bankruptcy to a thriving tourist attraction:worship: ...
He deserves a chance to show what he can do & the players owe him a little more respect;)


PS. FED kept saying that he wanted more consultation, yet he didn`t say he had any better ideas himself. He says the ATP tour needs to get stronger & improve the popularity of tennis Worldwide, but when someone begins to start making tough reforms/decisions all FED can say is bad, bad, BAD><...
Seriously if FED & Rafa have better ideas for changes to the tennis calendar then they should use these press conferences as an opportunity to state what their ideas are!!!
Basically nobody wants to take responsibility but De.Villiers was willing to stand up & try to bring about change.


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I`ve got a bad feeling Disney will be axed in a most publicly humiliating way sometime in the next few months><... Then Roger, Rafa, Davydenko, Ljubicic, Blake etc. will all have blood on their hands [plus the tour will be just the same as it has been for years~> stagnating!]..

Especially I place a lot of the blame on Fed & Blake~> it seems they`re out to destroy De.Villiers [ungrateful prima donas;><:]..

Bobby
04-17-2007, 02:50 PM
True. One can't complain about the changes if he's not willing to reveal his own suggestions. When the ATP hired De Villiers, it was because they wanted a new approach and some fresh ideas. And it was a good idea. De Villiers is just doing his job and it will eventually pay off.

Fed and Nadal should understand that the ATP staff spend their working weeks thinking about these issues and they have so many things to take into consideration. Things that Fed and Nadal have never even heard of.

If De Villiers gets fired,there won't be many applicants for the job. What's happened so far has clearly showed that all the new things tried will just make the players angry and unhappy. At least they are not complaining about the increasing prize money!

DDrago2
04-17-2007, 07:16 PM
I principaly agree with CmonAussie and Bobby

What bugs me most is that Federer, as an active player and non-claycourter, fights for something that has nothing to do with his carrier. I can understand Nadal doing this, but Federer seems to me as almost being manipulated. It's like he is already retired or something, or is in the same time a player and an official.

CmonAussie
04-18-2007, 06:20 AM
I principaly agree with CmonAussie and Bobby

What bugs me most is that Federer, as an active player and non-claycourter, fights for something that has nothing to do with his carrier. I can understand Nadal doing this, but Federer seems to me as almost being manipulated. It's like he is already retired or something, or is in the same time a player and an official.


:wavey:
Thanks DDrago:cool:

~> I changed the title of the thread in light of how the discussion with Bobby & a few others had moved toward a more serious note;)

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Seriously if FED, Rafa or Davydenko had any good ideas about reforming men`s tennis or the ATP schedule I`d love to see it:eek:
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Unfortunately all the players are good at is complaining:( ... Agassi may have some good ideas but he`s retired so his got more time on his hands to work on such things:cool: ... Fed, Blake, Rafa etc. really don`t have a clue when it comes to these business & restructuring matters:sad:

Action Jackson
04-18-2007, 07:14 AM
:wavey:
Thanks DDrago:cool:

~> I changed the title of the thread in light of how the discussion with Bobby & a few others had moved toward a more serious note;)

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Seriously if FED, Rafa or Davydenko had any good ideas about reforming men`s tennis or the ATP schedule I`d love to see it:eek:
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Unfortunately all the players are good at is complaining:( ... Agassi may have some good ideas but he`s retired so his got more time on his hands to work on such things:cool: ... Fed, Blake, Rafa etc. really don`t have a clue when it comes to these business & restructuring matters:sad:

You actually sound serious.