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who's missing the 2000 new balls domination??

Lleytonisthebest
04-15-2007, 11:51 AM
i really miss the safin, hewitt, federer( well he's still here of course...) ferrero, guga, magnus norman, roddick, and other guys who emerged in the 2000-2001...they were just much more fun to watch then the new generation from today they were more charismatic than the murray, djokovic, del potro generation...and their battle against sampras, agassi, rafter, kafelnikov that was real tennis !! today i'm :sad: :sad:

laure xxx
04-15-2007, 12:06 PM
Yes I do miss the charismatic generation. :inlove:

They're all old now - 25, 26 can you believe it? :tears:

Kolya
04-15-2007, 12:30 PM
The only reason you missed them is because lucky Hewitt was No. 1

Burrow
04-15-2007, 12:40 PM
Kolya you are talking rubbish, they were so much better. I LOVED that generation, thats why all of my photos I use for whatever like display photos, avatars etc are from that era. Today we have Robredo in the top 10, he wouldnt have made it back in 2000 thats for sure.

Kolya
04-15-2007, 12:55 PM
Kolya you are talking rubbish, they were so much better. I LOVED that generation, thats why all of my photos I use for whatever like display photos, avatars etc are from that era. Today we have Robredo in the top 10, he wouldnt have made it back in 2000 thats for sure.

I'm just talking about Hewitt.

Action Jackson
04-15-2007, 12:56 PM
Not at all.

Andre'sNo1Fan
04-15-2007, 12:59 PM
For sure, its very boring right now, although it does look kinda exciting with all these new guys coming through this year....

I can remember 2003, one of the best tennis years I've known....

All_Slam_Andre
04-15-2007, 01:02 PM
The race for the title as year end no. 1 in 2003 between Roddick, Federer and Ferrero was brilliant. I hope we get another battle for top spot along those exciting lines in the not too distant future.

Lleytonisthebest
04-15-2007, 01:28 PM
The only reason you missed them is because lucky Hewitt was No. 1

even hewitt at nr1 today won't be as interseting as these years!! how do you compare a guy like safin or ferrero with djokovic ?? the generation of the 86-87 is perhaps talented but surely not as entertaining as the old one of hewitt, safin and ferrero

Eden
04-15-2007, 01:45 PM
i really miss the safin, hewitt, federer( well he's still here of course...) ferrero, guga, magnus norman, roddick, and other guys who emerged in the 2000-2001...they were just much more fun to watch then the new generation from today they were more charismatic than the murray, djokovic, del potro generation...and their battle against sampras, agassi, rafter, kafelnikov that was real tennis !! today i'm :sad: :sad:

That's your opinion and you are totally entitled to have it, but of course you will find people here who like the players you don't like. It's just natural. People have different opinions and that's good :)

I miss a lot of players who aren't around anymore, but that's the way sports goes.

Lleytonisthebest
04-15-2007, 01:50 PM
That's your opinion and you are totally entitled to have it, but of course you will find people here who like the players you don't like. It's just natural. People have different opinions and that's good :)

I miss a lot of players who aren't around anymore, but that's the way sports goes.

lol yees completelly agree with you...but still time goes so fast !! it's just incredible i fell like it was still yesterday that ferrero won that RG, that hewitt beat sampras at the USO or other safin victories at paris bercy...

oz_boz
04-15-2007, 02:24 PM
Nope - the Baby balls will make their mark soo enough.

~EMiLiTA~
04-15-2007, 02:29 PM
yes...my favourite period was 2000-2002

savesthedizzle
04-15-2007, 02:31 PM
i really miss the safin, hewitt, federer( well he's still here of course...) ferrero, guga, magnus norman, roddick, and other guys who emerged in the 2000-2001...they were just much more fun to watch then the new generation from today they were more charismatic than the murray, djokovic, del potro generation...and their battle against sampras, agassi, rafter, kafelnikov that was real tennis !! today i'm :sad: :sad:

Nope I don't miss them.

I think the new generation is just as charismatic and interesting, you just need to get to know them :)

Lleytonisthebest
04-15-2007, 02:37 PM
Nope I don't miss them.

I think the new generation is just as charismatic and interesting, you just need to get to know them :)

lol maybe but i don't know it's like the first love lol when i began to interest in tennis it was by 2000 and what were people talking about by then ? hewitt, safin , ferrero, federer !! it's with those guys that i grew up lol how sad to see them almost near the 30s...

gusman890
04-15-2007, 02:41 PM
Ferrero - isnt around anymore
Guga - Rarely plays
Safin - only good in DC
Hewitt - injuried and changing dipears.
Federer - duh
Roddick - still around
Norman - isnt he retired? its what he got for fucking Hingis.

must i say more? sure they were good to watch, but only 2 remain on top.

scoobs
04-15-2007, 02:47 PM
I can't say I miss it too much - the period from around 1998 - 2003 was very unpredictable in men's tennis, #1 changing hands a lot, no one player or two players demonstrating any superiority over the rest. It was a bit scrappy. Although perhaps it's gone too much in the direction of stability right now, I prefer it when there's a couple of dominant players and it's the job of the rest to go after them and bring them down and take their place.

I do kinda miss Magnus Norman though - that guy had a great pair of legs.

Lleytonisthebest
04-15-2007, 02:47 PM
yes...lol and i have to say that our kids will laugh on us when we'll say : young hewitt young safin young ferrero were so fast, so good, etc...
they will say : those old men were good at tennis ??? hahahaha
....

savesthedizzle
04-15-2007, 02:50 PM
Ferrero - isnt around anymore
Guga - Rarely plays
Safin - only good in DC
Hewitt - injuried and changing dipears.
Federer - duh
Roddick - still around
Norman - isnt he retired? its what he got for fucking Hingis.

must i say more? sure they were good to watch, but only 2 remain on top.

That's not their fault though, 7 years from now you're going to have the same kind of list with Djokovic, Murray, Gasquet, Berdych etc. There are always new generations and there are always rises and declines.

I think the thread starter would like to remember the new balls in their glory days rather than discuss their current state. You can't expect an entire generation to stay on top forever. :shrug: It's a question of whether you prefer the new balls at their prime to the baby balls at their prime :)

Eden
04-15-2007, 02:52 PM
Norman - isnt he retired? its what he got for fucking Hingis.


:rolleyes:

Norman underwent corrective surgery for a heart valve condition in 1998. He retired due to hip and knee injuries in a Press Conference at the 2004 Stockholm Open having not played for the whole year.

savesthedizzle
04-15-2007, 02:54 PM
I can't say I miss it too much - the period from around 1998 - 2003 was very unpredictable in men's tennis, #1 changing hands a lot, no one player or two players demonstrating any superiority over the rest. It was a bit scrappy. Although perhaps it's gone too much in the direction of stability right now, I prefer it when there's a couple of dominant players and it's the job of the rest to go after them and bring them down and take their place.

I do kinda miss Magnus Norman though - that guy had a great pair of legs.

The instability is the one thing I really did like from that time. I mean, I loved 2003 when it was down to the wire for which guy would be year end #1. That was exciting for me. I would love for there to be a battle for #1 like that again, where multiple guys are capable of winning Slams. I think the good thing with the new generation is that the players seem capable of having a shot at several of the Slams unlike the new balls where you had Ferrero on clay, Roddick on the summer hard courts, and the domination of the season was so divided. I think Djokovic, Murray, etc can challenge eachother throughout the year. At least I hope they do :)

Lleytonisthebest
04-15-2007, 02:55 PM
That's not their fault though, 7 years from now you're going to have the same kind of list with Djokovic, Murray, Gasquet, Berdych etc. There are always new generations and there are always rises and declines.

I think the thread starter would like to remember the new balls in their glory days rather than discuss their current state. You can't expect an entire generation to stay on top forever. :shrug: It's a question of whether you prefer the new balls at their prime to the baby balls at their prime :)

still the sampras, agassi, kafel, rafter generation was still competing on top in their 30s

gusman890
04-15-2007, 02:57 PM
Well the new balls generation did have alot more unpredictablilty then the youngsters now. even with 3 of them in the top 10.

why? Hewitt won both US/Wimbledon during his prime, Safin won US/Aussie Finalest, Federer beat Sampras @ wimbledon ending his winning streak, Ferrero started his clay court domination. Guga was fighting Ferrero for the clay domination.

With Federer/Nadal both on top, its hard for the new guys to start fufilling their potiental, and believe me, there is alot for them to do. But they cannot do it yet because of some of the powerhouses and late bloomers sticking around, the Davydenkdos - The Ljubicics - The Haas's of this world are still sticking around and beating the young kids.

soo, its interesting now, but back in the earlier 2000 the kids were already making their mark.

savesthedizzle
04-15-2007, 02:57 PM
still the sampras, agassi, kafel, rafter generation was still competing on top in their 30s

Perhaps but I think that's an exceptional group :)

Lleytonisthebest
04-15-2007, 03:00 PM
Perhaps but I think that's an exceptional group :)

yes has to! maybe the best generation ever...:worship:

ezekiel
04-15-2007, 03:06 PM
The instability is the one thing I really did like from that time. I mean, I loved 2003 when it was down to the wire for which guy would be year end #1. That was exciting for me. I would love for there to be a battle for #1 like that again, where multiple guys are capable of winning Slams. I think the good thing with the new generation is that the players seem capable of having a shot at several of the Slams unlike the new balls where you had Ferrero on clay, Roddick on the summer hard courts, and the domination of the season was so divided. I think Djokovic, Murray, etc can challenge eachother throughout the year. At least I hope they do :)

Murray can hardly challenge Nole until he gets some weapons and a new attitude both of which are questionable

scoobs
04-15-2007, 03:08 PM
Murray can hardly challenge Nole until he gets some weapons and a new attitude both of which are questionable
Wow you really do have just the one tune don't you :)

We get it, you like Nole, you're not impressed by Murray.

Change the record.

savesthedizzle
04-15-2007, 03:19 PM
Murray can hardly challenge Nole until he gets some weapons and a new attitude both of which are questionable

I disagree, but I was just listing those two names as examples of members of their generation anyway. Let's not let this thread degenerate like so many others into a fight over who is better between Murray and Djokovic. :rolleyes:

scoobs
04-15-2007, 03:19 PM
I disagree, but I was just listing those two names as examples of members of their generation anyway. Let's not let this thread degenerate like so many onthers into a fight over who is better between Murray and Djokovic. :rolleyes:
I know - in one way there is a danger they'll be the next Federer and Nadal in the way they polarise opinion.

Hendu
04-15-2007, 03:21 PM
It is a bit unfair to compare the "new balls" with only the 86/87 generation...

Gustavo Kuerten (born in 1976)
Magnus Norman (1976)
Nicolas Lapentti (1976)
Jan-Michael Gambill (1977)
Tommy Haas (1978)
Mariano Zabaleta (1978)
Juan Carlos Ferrero (1980)
Marat Safin (1980)
Lleyton Hewitt (1981)
Roger Federer (1981)

NicoFan
04-15-2007, 03:26 PM
i really miss the safin, hewitt, federer( well he's still here of course...) ferrero, guga, magnus norman, roddick, and other guys who emerged in the 2000-2001...they were just much more fun to watch then the new generation from today they were more charismatic than the murray, djokovic, del potro generation...and their battle against sampras, agassi, rafter, kafelnikov that was real tennis !! today i'm :sad: :sad:

I like JMDP, but as for the rest of them, I find them all very bland to watch. I'm sure that they are all nice guys - but not my cup of tea. :shrug: Of the top guys, Rafa and Andy are about the only ones today that I can get interested in besides my other favs.

I miss the guys of old. Not just guys like Guga, Moya, and JC but other past years - Andre, Boris, Mats, Edberg, Borg, McEnroe, Connors.

Maybe I'm just getting old :lol: but I loved the characters in other eras better. Everyone seems so cookie cutter now. :shrug:

But just my humble opinion...

ezekiel
04-15-2007, 03:34 PM
Wow you really do have just the one tune don't you :)

We get it, you like Nole, you're not impressed by Murray.

Change the record.


ok, maybe he can prove me wrong? :rolleyes:

scoobs
04-15-2007, 03:36 PM
ok, maybe he can prove me wrong? :rolleyes:
Maybe he can, but probably not before you had another 50 - 100 smart-ass digs at him - it seems to be on your daily "to do" list.

Jimnik
04-15-2007, 03:45 PM
2000-2003, great times. :yeah:

It actually ended at the AO 2004, when Federer basically took to a new level. Roddick, Hewitt and Safin just couldn't keep up with him and Ferrero's injuries and illnesses took over.

Kitty de Sade
04-15-2007, 03:47 PM
I like JMDP, but as for the rest of them, I find them all very bland to watch. I'm sure that they are all nice guys - but not my cup of tea. :shrug: Of the top guys, Rafa and Andy are about the only ones today that I can get interested in besides my other favs.

I miss the guys of old. Not just guys like Guga, Moya, and JC but other past years - Andre, Boris, Mats, Edberg, Borg, McEnroe, Connors.

Maybe I'm just getting old :lol: but I loved the characters in other eras better. Everyone seems so cookie cutter now. :shrug:

But just my humble opinion...

A humble opinion that you stated beautifully. I agree with you- Ferrero and Guga especially.

NicoFan
04-15-2007, 03:55 PM
A humble opinion that you stated beautifully. I agree with you- Ferrero and Guga especially.

Guga is my hero. I had stopped watching tennis for oh about 2 years because I didn't like the all power all serve game of Sampras - and I had watched tennis since about 1979 so for me it was a big deal to just give up watching the game. But then Guga came, won the French, and restored my interest in the game. :lol: Lord Carlos was also a fav, but then JC came along - he had such a beautiful clay game at his peak. For me, it was the way clay should be played. I really miss him being at the top. :sad:

ezekiel
04-15-2007, 04:03 PM
Maybe he can, but probably not before you had another 50 - 100 smart-ass digs at him - it seems to be on your daily "to do" list.

oh poor you :devil: maybe you should consult with Andy's coach , after all he said that Nole's game is "lightweight" :rolleyes:

Kitty de Sade
04-15-2007, 04:03 PM
Guga is my hero. I had stopped watching tennis for oh about 2 years because I didn't like the all power all serve game of Sampras - and I had watched tennis since about 1979 so for me it was a big deal to just give up watching the game. But then Guga came, won the French, and restored my interest in the game. :lol: Lord Carlos was also a fav, but then JC came along - he had such a beautiful clay game at his peak. For me, it was the way clay should be played. I really miss him being at the top. :sad:

I saw a "What's in Your Bag?" segment on TTC, right before the Blake/Zabaleta match yesterday- Guga was featured. All smiles, going through the contents of his tennis bag...pulls out a lucky ceramic frog that his mom gave him. It was so sweet, I actually got choked up.

Guga holds my favorite personality of all time. I wish time could make him 19 all over again, because this time I'd appreciate it more. :sad:

Lleytonisthebest
04-15-2007, 04:06 PM
I saw a "What's in Your Bag?" segment on TTC, right before the Blake/Zabaleta match yesterday- Guga was featured. All smiles, going through the contents of his tennis bag...pulls out a lucky ceramic frog that his mom gave him. It was so sweet, I actually got choked up.

Guga holds my favorite personality of all time. I wish time could make him 19 all over again, because this time I'd appreciate it more. :sad:

exaclty !!! i also miss guga in his prime aswell as a ferrero in 2003, a hewitt in 01/02 or a safin like in 2000...

ezekiel
04-15-2007, 04:13 PM
the only guy I somewhat miss is Hewitt at his best could bring that fire and david vs goliath attitude

As for others
Safin- too self absorbed for me to care
Kuerten - too happy go lucky
Ferrero - I guess is ok but lacking fire

aramis
04-15-2007, 04:46 PM
I greatly prefer the new balls to the baby balls. Is it just me, or is tennis slower nowadays compared to 4-5 years back? I have never seen so much moonballing as I have the past few weeks.

The matches between Ferrero and Hewitt were so fast and so electric! Especially their TMC final in 2002. You just don't see matches like that nowadays. Murray v. Djoko, Djoko v. Nadal, etc. are all just so slow and predictable.

Ferrero v. Guga was also a great matchup on clay. Remember the 2001 semi? That's the way clay court tennis should be played IMO; relentless attacking and aggression. Guga with the huge backhand and JC with monster forehand.

Moreover, the baby balls (with the exception of Nadal) can't even scratch Federer. Don't get me wrong, I like Roger and he is my second favorite player, but I don't like watching him just cruise through matches without the slightest effort. The man's the best player in the world so I want to see him involved in epic fights. I don't see Djokovic, Murray, and Gasquet challenging him within the next year or two, and after that Roger is probably going to decline anyway. Their game's just don't have enough power or consistency and they don't really move that well. I think the new balls, at their best, have the type of game to beat Roger frequently, or at the very least force Roger to get off the baseline and try other tactics besides "backhand slice, backhand slice, forehand winner (unforced error), rinse and repeat". When Roger played Ferrero in the 2004 AO (first set) and Safin in the 2005 AO, he was for the most part forced to come into the net or serve and volley to try to win the point because he had trouble hanging with those guys from the baseline.

Johnny Groove
04-15-2007, 05:12 PM
You guys do realize that Nadal is also part of the Nole/Gasquet/Murray/Del Potro/Berdych etc. generation, right? Its hard to think, because he's achieved so much more than them, and I constantly see people not throwing him in there with those guys.

Of course, there is also Monfils :silly:

NicoFan
04-15-2007, 05:45 PM
You guys do realize that Nadal is also part of the Nole/Gasquet/Murray/Del Potro/Berdych etc. generation, right? Its hard to think, because he's achieved so much more than them, and I constantly see people not throwing him in there with those guys.

Of course, there is also Monfils :silly:

Yes - but he's so far above those guys in potential but it doesn't seem right to group him with them. :lol: :lol:

Lleytonisthebest
04-15-2007, 06:14 PM
yes nadal is not the same level...