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mallorn
04-14-2007, 12:05 PM
... is out.

http://www.atptennis.com/en/common/TrackIt.asp?file=http://www.atptennis.com/1/posting/2007/410/mds.pdf

jitterbug
04-14-2007, 12:08 PM
Possible Djoko vs Fed and Nadal vs Muzzah in the quarters :lol:

gusman890
04-14-2007, 12:08 PM
ROFL

Ferrero vs Henmen
Gasquet vs Verdasco
Possiable Safin/Nafal 3rd round.
possiable Fat dave / Nadal QF.

not too bad ;)

Sunset of Age
04-14-2007, 12:10 PM
Quite a nice draw.

Djoko vs. Fed... :scared:....

savesthedizzle
04-14-2007, 12:12 PM
Possible Djoko vs Fed and Nadal vs Muzzah in the quarters :lol:

I don't see anything preventing that :)

:rocker2:

adee-gee
04-14-2007, 12:14 PM
Slightly unexciting draw if you ask me :shrug:

uglyamerican
04-14-2007, 12:15 PM
Slightly unexciting draw if you ask me :shrug:

Extremely sleep-inducing.

MrJ
04-14-2007, 12:15 PM
Slightly unexciting draw if you ask me :shrug:

I agree, way too many withdrawals for a Masters event. :mad:

Kalliopeia
04-14-2007, 12:15 PM
Interesting!

Possible Nadal/Safin AND Nadal/Nalbandian! :yippee:

BORO77
04-14-2007, 12:16 PM
I don't see anything preventing that :)

:rocker2:

Do you guys remember how "good" Murray plays on clay???:) :)

Burrow
04-14-2007, 12:17 PM
oh for f*** sake, safin is a possibility for nadal in the 3rd round :scared:

uglyamerican
04-14-2007, 12:17 PM
Do you guys remember how "good" Murray plays on clay???:) :)

1 career win against top 200. :o

Horatio Caine
04-14-2007, 12:18 PM
Tim :help:

Ferrero is a vey tough match...but winnable if he is still feeling ill :shrug:
Massu is definitely beatable, and Volandri is tricky, but ill at the moment anyway.

Round 3 is definitely possible provided he can pass Ferrero (which isn't all that likely) :awww:

Murray could struggle with Mayer, but R3 with Bandy looks :drool:

jitterbug
04-14-2007, 12:19 PM
Berdych vs Almagro in the first round :yeah:

Nalbandian's section of the draw... 3 qualifiers! :spit:

savesthedizzle
04-14-2007, 12:19 PM
Do you guys remember how "good" Murray plays on clay???:) :)

I was only responding to the possibility of Federer-Djokovic, since I had that part bolded :shrug:

uglyamerican
04-14-2007, 12:20 PM
Berdych vs Almagro in the first round :yeah:

One of the few good ones. I'd like to see Safin v Mathieu for the right to play Nadal.

AnnaK_4ever
04-14-2007, 12:26 PM
Tursunov v Gaudio...
:spit:

Black Adam
04-14-2007, 12:27 PM
Do you guys remember how "good" Murray plays on clay???:) :)
People are overhyping Murray, expecting him to be top 3 by Wimbledon simply because he can pick up loads of points from the Claycourt season. But none of them are considering the fact that he isn't that good on the surface.

Adler
04-14-2007, 12:29 PM
Quite uninteresting draw. Too many withdrawals. I predict many surprises here

Horatio Caine
04-14-2007, 12:29 PM
Tursunov v Gaudio...
:spit:

:haha:

Seriously, Dima can win that...as shocking as it sounds :spit:

Action Jackson
04-14-2007, 12:30 PM
Lee vs. Bjørkman
Becker vs. Johansson

This will bring claycourt tennis into the 22nd century with the level of play that will be seen here.

Himura
04-14-2007, 12:38 PM
Hope to see Safin - Nadal....think Nadal`s game suits Safin. Or maybe Nadal will run every ball down and Safin`s starts to throw rackets hahah either way it could be a great match

ezekiel
04-14-2007, 12:38 PM
Nole vs Rog :woohoo:
A reversal of last year :wavey:

Duleml
04-14-2007, 12:57 PM
Blah....Novak-Federer again...let me rephrase famous Damir Dokic - "This draw is rigged" :lol:

Duleml
04-14-2007, 12:58 PM
Lee vs. Bjørkman
Becker vs. Johansson

This will bring claycourt tennis into the 22nd century with the level of play that will be seen here.

:lol:

mashamaniac
04-14-2007, 12:59 PM
just a shame andy pulled out... i'm surprised why some of americans don't play in europe?? of course i know this time andy was injured but dunno if he's ever played in MC!!

Or Levy
04-14-2007, 01:01 PM
Man, who didn't see Nole going up against Rog again.

That should be interesting, Djoko is the bandwagon kid of the month.

nanoman
04-14-2007, 01:06 PM
Nadal vs Safin :haha:
I would be SHOCKED if Safin beats Nieminen and Mathieu in succession.

CooCooCachoo
04-14-2007, 01:08 PM
The second quarter is by far the toughest one. The others are not that interesting as it seems clear who will advance.

Andre♥
04-14-2007, 01:08 PM
I would be SHOCKED if Safin beats Nieminen and Mathieu in succession.

I would be shocked if Safin beats one of them...

CooCooCachoo
04-14-2007, 01:09 PM
:haha:

Seriously, Dima can win that...as shocking as it sounds :spit:

Balleret could win that one.

Heck, Lisnard could have won that.

mashamaniac
04-14-2007, 01:13 PM
I would be shocked if Safin beats one of them...

you guys seem to have forgotten that who's marat??:confused: he's been #1 and 2 GS winner,don't forget when he won 05's AO his rank wasn't even among the seeds!:worship: we can't underrate him so soon,can we?:sad:

Voo de Mar
04-14-2007, 01:15 PM
48 draw :aplot:
Previous time 8 players have been "bye" in the 1st round in 1999.

Andre♥
04-14-2007, 01:16 PM
you guys seem to have forgotten that who's marat??:confused: he's been #1 and 2 GS winner,don't forget when he won 05's AO his rank wasn't even among the seeds!:worship: we can't underrate him so soon,can we?:sad:

Nieminen and Mathieu are the kind of player that Safin hates to play. He lost the last time he faced both Nieminen and Mathieu.

bluefork
04-14-2007, 01:17 PM
No Americans in the draw...do they get fined for pulling out if they're not injured?

Voo de Mar
04-14-2007, 01:19 PM
Nieminen and Mathieu are the kind of player that Safin hates to play. He lost the last time he faced both Nieminen and Mathieu.

A couple days ago Safin beat Mathieu in Davis Cup :shrug:

mer
04-14-2007, 01:24 PM
Nieminen and Mathieu are the kind of player that Safin hates to play. He lost the last time he faced both Nieminen and Mathieu.
he might hate playing Nieminen but their H2H so far 5-2 :shrug:
And definitely he doesn't hate playing Mathieu.

mashamaniac
04-14-2007, 01:28 PM
A couple days ago Safin beat Mathieu in Davis Cup :shrug:

that's my point too!

Andre♥
04-14-2007, 01:33 PM
A couple days ago Safin beat Mathieu in Davis Cup :shrug:

DC Safin >>>>>>> ATP Safin

Mathieu beated Safin 7:5 6:0 last year in MC.

And Nieminen defeated Safin 6:4 6:3 in IW, the last time they faced each other.

Nieminen even beated the real Safin in Estoril some years ago.

I love Safin, but I can't see him re-grouping...

mer
04-14-2007, 01:38 PM
And Nieminen defeated Safin 6:4 6:3 in IW, the last time they faced each other.

and before that match Marat had won 5 times in a row. So you can't say that Jarrko is type of a player he hates to play.

mashamaniac
04-14-2007, 01:42 PM
I love Safin, but I can't see him re-grouping...
but i can see...!

ezekiel
04-14-2007, 01:47 PM
just a shame andy pulled out... i'm surprised why some of americans don't play in europe?? of course i know this time andy was injured but dunno if he's ever played in MC!!

It's not worth it for them to play 1 or 2 matches and be away from home for weeks the same way claycourters don't play much in N.America

Klaas_nalbandian
04-14-2007, 01:54 PM
mardy verkerk against Chela, no chance he wins that,

anka
04-14-2007, 01:59 PM
AWFUL!:bolt: all my favourites have :eek: draws!:sad:

tripb19
04-14-2007, 02:03 PM
LMAO Nalby Triple Qualifiers, he will gobble them up like he does Triple Cheesburgers, mabye Nalb/Murray or Nadal.

Did JMDP withdraw? :sad:

lisaplenske
04-14-2007, 02:03 PM
Richard there isa really good thing to make here.So Allez!!!:bounce: :)

rofe
04-14-2007, 02:10 PM
Canas is not playing to the next best thing was to put Novak on Roger's side of the draw. ;)

AnnaK_4ever
04-14-2007, 02:13 PM
you guys seem to have forgotten that who's marat??:confused: he's been #1 and 2 GS winner,don't forget when he won 05's AO his rank wasn't even among the seeds!:worship: we can't underrate him so soon,can we?:sad:
What are you talking about??? :o
Safin was No.4 when he was winning AO-2005.

Nieminen and Mathieu are the kind of player that Safin hates to play. He lost the last time he faced both Nieminen and Mathieu.
Exactly. It will be a miracle (or very bad play from Jarkko) if Marat survives in his first match.

A couple days ago Safin beat Mathieu in Davis Cup :shrug:
That was Davis Cup. Davis Cup in Moscow. Totally different motivation. Totally.

Voo de Mar
04-14-2007, 02:17 PM
That was Davis Cup. Davis Cup in Moscow. Totally different motivation. Totally.

Certainly, simply Sylvester has not added that he excludes Davis Cup matches.

danton
04-14-2007, 02:21 PM
Murray and Djokovic have really tough draws, I think Davy (who cares) denko has the easiest.

Murray used to describe clay as his best surface. He trained in Spain for two years and during last years clay court season on his first full year on tour he had no coach. So those predicting the same performance this year are getting a bit ahead of themselves. He should do a lot better this year.

Gonzalez, Lube and Gasquet all have a good section as well. I think there is some good matches early on whereas in Miami and IW there were some really dull first matches.

scoobs
04-14-2007, 02:32 PM
LMAO Nalby Triple Qualifiers, he will gobble them up like he does Triple Cheesburgers, mabye Nalb/Murray or Nadal.

Did JMDP withdraw? :sad:
JMDP is not ranked high enough to make the cut - at least he wasn't as of the 6 week sign-in deadline

*Ljubica*
04-14-2007, 02:33 PM
LMAO Nalby Triple Qualifiers, he will gobble them up like he does Triple Cheesburgers, mabye Nalb/Murray or Nadal.

Did JMDP withdraw? :sad:

JMDP never entered Monte Carlo! He's taking 3 weeks off, and will be back to the Tour in Estoril :)

RonE
04-14-2007, 02:42 PM
Meh. Djokovic will be a tough nut to crack for Roger should the encounter materialize.

Not that it matters, we all know Nadal is going to romp his way to yet another clay court title :shrug: :yawn: :yawn: :yawn: :yawn: :yawn: :yawn: :yawn: :yawn: :yawn:

Jimnik
04-14-2007, 02:45 PM
Far too many withdrawels this year - I can't believe Ferrero actually got seeded. I wish Canas would have received a WC instead of Johansson.

I think there will be a lot of upsets in the 1st round:

Youzhny - if Moya is on
Ferrero - might still be sick
Gasquet - Nando plays his best tennis in the first round
Berdych - Almagro is the favourite
Baghdatis - sucks on clay
Nalbandian - can lose to anyone on this form
Nieminen - if Safin is on

And the 2nd round:

Gonzalez - lost to Andreev in Chile earlier this year
Ljubicic - lost to Monfils on grass, could definately lose on clay
Davydenko - usually struggles at this tournament
Murray - we still don't know how good he is on clay

cmurray
04-14-2007, 02:56 PM
I agree with the others....this is a bit of a snooze fest, isn't it?

Djoko/Fed intriguing, otherwise....meh.

Although, the you-know-what is gonna hit the fan if Roger and Rafa both make the finals again. THEN it gets interesting.

lisaplenske
04-14-2007, 02:59 PM
Verdasco is a good player but doesnt play very well on first rounds.And he played only on hard courts whereas gasquet has played davis cup and made a good preparation before it.
If verdasco win it would be because of gasquet fault cause his level should allow him to pass someone like the spanish.

MaryWalsh
04-14-2007, 03:06 PM
Since Willy is not going to be there, I was most interested to see where Novak would be placed. Fed-Novak could be gladiatorial.

jayjay
04-14-2007, 03:14 PM
Far too many withdrawels this year

Somehow I doubt the quality in Monte Carlo this year will be damaged too much by the withdrawals of the American quartet.

Would have been slightly better had Haas, Ancic and Hewitt been playing, but they were hardly likely candidates for the last four were they in any respect?

The biggest disappointment as I see it, is the 1R byes for the top 8, without which it's likely Super Willy would have made the MD, and added a name to the tournament who could have done some damage.

cmurray
04-14-2007, 03:22 PM
What's wrong with Willy? Injury?

Frooty_Bazooty
04-14-2007, 03:25 PM
he didnt make the ranking cutoff

danton
04-14-2007, 03:26 PM
Canas has leg pains and decided to rest - that he is not playing is nothing to do with WC

cmurray
04-14-2007, 03:26 PM
he didnt make the ranking cutoff

I'd wondered about that. Is he going to try to qualify?

jayjay
04-14-2007, 03:28 PM
What's wrong with Willy? Injury?

He is slightly injured, but that's not the reason he's not playing. He needed a load of withdrawals to make the MD as an alternate. Ended up 5 short. As I said, without the 8 byes, he'd be playing. I (along with many others) said the byes were a bad idea from the outset, this just reinforces my view.

jayjay
04-14-2007, 03:29 PM
Canas has leg pains and decided to rest - that he is not playing is nothing to do with WC

Who said anything about WC?

danton
04-14-2007, 03:31 PM
Who said anything about WC?

Previous posters have thought that Johansson got the WC instead of Canas.


Part of BBC article on Murray's top 10 place
'Argentine Guillermo Canas, who has beaten world number one Roger Federer twice recently, has pulled out of the Monte Carlo event, suffering from leg pains.'

jayjay
04-14-2007, 03:37 PM
[QUOTE=danton;5189754]Previous posters have thought that Johansson got the WC instead of Canas.

Ah, my bad. :)

Part of BBC article on Murray's top 10 place
'Argentine Guillermo Canas, who has beaten world number one Roger Federer twice recently, has pulled out of the Monte Carlo event, suffering from leg pains.'

You can't as such pull out of an event that you were not in to begin with, which is my point Re: 1R byes, which are a joke. It's true that Willy is a little injured and thus didn't take part in qualifying, he may have been able to play at a later date had he made the MD, which he would have done so without the byes thanks to the previous withdrawals.

This kind of situation is going to crop up alot over time for players on the rise who just miss out on some crucial Masters events directly for momentum and points due to the lesser MD spots available.

The Freak
04-14-2007, 03:48 PM
Monfils will beat Ljobo second round.

lisaplenske
04-14-2007, 03:50 PM
Monfils will beat Ljobo second round.

hope so:angel:

zine56
04-14-2007, 03:51 PM
Nalbandian's section of the draw... 3 qualifiers! :spit:

man! that lazy/lucky bastard has an incredible draw... :eek:

http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r189/zine56/TFR23.gif

RickDaStick
04-14-2007, 03:59 PM
Monfils will beat Ljobo second round.

The Genuis probably wont get past Stepanek. Keep on dreaming though:wavey:

Andre♥
04-14-2007, 04:06 PM
Monfils will beat Ljobo second round.

Just like Monfils would beat Stepanek on clay. Stepanek was great on clay last season and he even reached the final of Hamburg when he defeated Acasuso, who was destroying anybody in sight.

Adler
04-14-2007, 04:18 PM
I don't think it's good for Fed or Nalbi to play qualifiers here. Remember those will be just first matches on clay, and it's likely they'd have to play against Spaniards who were actually born on clay. Last year Djoko took a set off Federer and it was 6:2, so the guys should better pay attention

martine2
04-14-2007, 04:21 PM
He is slightly injured, but that's not the reason he's not playing. He needed a load of withdrawals to make the MD as an alternate. Ended up 5 short. As I said, without the 8 byes, he'd be playing. I (along with many others) said the byes were a bad idea from the outset, this just reinforces my view.

I agree, Byes suck :(
On the other hand the extra rest will do him good. He shouldn't come back until he's 100% fit. I want him playing injury free the rest of the season!

Merton
04-14-2007, 04:31 PM
Some excellent first round matches:

Moya-Youzhny
Andreev-Chucho
Almagro-Berdych
Nieminen-Safin

Some interesting first round matches:

Monfils-Stepanek
Marcos-Mirnyi
Rochus-Soderling
PHM-Vliegen

Some matches with comedy potential:

Lee-Bjorkman
Tursunov-Gaudio
Becker-ToJo

croat123
04-14-2007, 04:37 PM
tough draw for ljubo
but the guys in his section are either on fire or they suck so i still like his chances :)

ezekiel
04-14-2007, 04:57 PM
I don't think it's good for Fed or Nalbi to play qualifiers here. Remember those will be just first matches on clay, and it's likely they'd have to play against Spaniards who were actually born on clay. Last year Djoko took a set off Federer and it was 6:2, so the guys should better pay attention

byes in masters make sense if there is a big tournament preceding it especially if it's 5 sets or something but like this it makes little sense especially as they cut to 3 sets

jazar
04-14-2007, 05:21 PM
nadal will whip murray's sorry ass, unless fat dave does the job first

Oliboyz
04-14-2007, 05:36 PM
just don't wanna see federer-nadal in final, either one of them or none of them is good for me. :)

bigbhoy
04-14-2007, 05:51 PM
nadal will whip murray's sorry ass, unless fat dave does the job first

My, my, my, what a surprise! :rolleyes: Another Murray hating comment.

Almost every post you've made here is to do with him. I think you're a tad too obsessed with Murray & his life that you need to start seeking professional help ASAP!

Just lucky you don't have enough cash to travel the world otherwise, he'd probably be needing to take out a restraining order on your stalking obsessed ass.

Face facts, your bitter jealousy ain't ever gonna make any difference to him or his life, while he has a gf & you are not his type. Go wander the local parks where you may find George Michael who'll finally break your cobwebs.

Loremaster
04-14-2007, 05:52 PM
I know now why Mr. Disney want to downgrade Monte Carlo, is it TMS shield tournament id doesn't look as TMS this year and it used to be one of myh favourite tournaments

Federer has easy path up to 3rd Youzhny could be tricky but not a real treat , Djokovic should make it to QF only Ferrer could be a minoir problem so Djoko-Federer QF is in the air

Gonzo as well should be in QF without much problem , Ljubicic should make at least 3rd round , but then he could be taken out by Richie who should make QF or even SF considering Gozno recent form ,

next section is straight as well. Robredo will make QF and Davy could be knock out by Rochus in his recent form it is possible. anyway Robredo looks locked in SF

in next quter Nadal all the way to SF , Nalbandian is off form , as well as Safin and Murray won't trouble him on clay. So Nadal has the easiest way up to final I just don't see him losing before final all guys who has some chances (Gonzo, roger , Djoko) are in the other part

+alonso
04-14-2007, 05:53 PM
Montecarlo's previous draws were really exciting.

It doesn't seem anymore! :sad:

GlennMirnyi
04-14-2007, 05:55 PM
My, my, my, what a surprise! :rolleyes: Another Murray hating comment.

Almost every post you've made here is to do with him. I think you're a tad too obsessed with Murray & his life that you need to start seeking professional help ASAP!

Just lucky you don't have enough cash to travel the world otherwise, he'd probably be needing to take out a restraining order on your stalking obsessed ass.

Face facts, your bitter jealousy ain't ever gonna make any difference to him or his life, while he has a gf & you are not his type. Go wander the local parks where you may find George Michael who'll finally break your cobwebs.

Are you Murray's boyfriend-attorney? :rolleyes: Every post of yours is to defend him. Fanboy.

Another cakewalk draw for Nadal.

Johnny Groove
04-14-2007, 05:57 PM
Are you Murray's boyfriend-attorney? :rolleyes: Every post of yours is to defend him. Fanboy.

Another cakewalk draw for Nadal.

Just curious. On clay, what ISNT a cakewalk for Nadal? Safin, Nalbandian, Kolya/Berdych/Robredo, and then Federer in the final is a cakewalk?

GlennMirnyi
04-14-2007, 05:59 PM
Just curious. On clay, what ISNT a cakewalk for Nadal? Safin, Nalbandian, Kolya/Berdych/Robredo, and then Federer in the final is a cakewalk?

Safin isn't going that far. Neither is Nalbandian. Davydenko on clay? :haha: Boredo? Berdych would be nice, but he's too far away in the draw.

Johnny Groove
04-14-2007, 06:02 PM
Safin isn't going that far. Neither is Nalbandian. Davydenko on clay? :haha: Boredo? Berdych would be nice, but he's too far away in the draw.

ok, you didnt answer my post. What would you consider a tough draw for Nadal on clay?

GlennMirnyi
04-14-2007, 06:06 PM
ok, you didnt answer my post. What would you consider a tough draw for Nadal on clay?

Berdych, Youzhny, Andreev... ;)

The Freak
04-14-2007, 06:08 PM
ok, you didnt answer my post. What would you consider a tough draw for Nadal on clay?

James Blake would be a tough opponent even on clay for Rafa.

cmurray
04-14-2007, 06:10 PM
James Blake would be a tough opponent even on clay for Rafa.

That's debatable. The problem is that he doesn't get far enough into a clay court tournament for us to find out.

jazar
04-14-2007, 06:12 PM
Face facts, your bitter jealousy ain't ever gonna make any difference to him or his life, while he has a gf & you are not his type. Go wander the local parks where you may find George Michael who'll finally break your cobwebs.

i'm not his type? damn, you have crushed all my aspirations there. dont bring george michael into this, he is soo much more talented than andy murray


Are you Murray's boyfriend-attorney? :rolleyes: Every post of yours is to defend him. Fanboy.


how true. it seems you just wait for me to criticise murray so you can run to defend him

GlennMirnyi
04-14-2007, 06:13 PM
Blake's problem on clay is that more balls would come back and his chance of making mistakes would keep growing to a point where he'd lose his consistency. Or not... he's very streaky... :p

Loremaster
04-14-2007, 06:15 PM
That's debatable. The problem is that he doesn't get far enough into a clay court tournament for us to find out.

no the problem is that Nadal doesn't play Houston

GlennMirnyi
04-14-2007, 06:15 PM
how true. it seems you just wait for me to criticise murray so you can run to defend him

Not just you, everybody.

Merton
04-14-2007, 06:19 PM
Berdych, Youzhny, Andreev... ;)

I don't think Youzhny would be dangerous on clay. Nieminen or PHM might be dangerous here though, and Nalbandian would definitely be if he somehow came back to form.

Johnny Groove
04-14-2007, 06:20 PM
no the problem is that Nadal doesn't play Houston

:rolleyes: because he has some measure of intelligence. Nadal playing Houston would be the stupidest decision ever.

Andre♥
04-14-2007, 06:23 PM
I don't think Youzhny would be dangerous on clay. Nieminen or PHM might be dangerous here though, and Nalbandian would definitely be if he somehow came back to form.

Nieminen leaded Nadal 6:4 4:1 in Barcelona, until Rafa recovered.

But I wouldn't say that Jarkko has a good shot to beat Rafa.

The only ones that look capable of beating Nadal on clay are Federer, Djokovic, Canas, Gaudio (if he actually starts playing again), Coria (same as Gaudio) and then a great day of Almagro or Acasuso.

Merton
04-14-2007, 06:23 PM
In best of 3 James could defeat Nadal if all the stars got aligned. In best of 5 I don't think it would happen.

GlennMirnyi
04-14-2007, 06:24 PM
I don't think Youzhny would be dangerous on clay. Nieminen or PHM might be dangerous here though, and Nalbandian would definitely be if he somehow came back to form.

Nieminen maybe, but he lost to Baghdatis on clay last weekend. :eek: :bolt:

Nalbandian and form go together as Karlovic and grinder.

GlennMirnyi
04-14-2007, 06:26 PM
Canas would what? Out-grind Nadal on clay? I don't think so.

cmurray
04-14-2007, 06:27 PM
Nieminen maybe, but he lost to Baghdatis on clay last weekend. :eek: :bolt:

Nalbandian and form go together as Karlovic and grinder.

GM, you're on a roll today. :lol:

NYCtennisfan
04-14-2007, 06:28 PM
Nieminen leaded Nadal 6:4 4:1 in Barcelona, until Rafa recovered.

But I wouldn't say that Jarkko has a good shot to beat Rafa.

The only ones that look capable of beating Nadal on clay are Federer, Djokovic, Canas, Gaudio (if he actually starts playing again), Coria (same as Gaudio) and then a great day of Almagro or Acasuso.

Canas can't beat Nadal on clay or any other surface. He plays for the most part the same game as Nadal and doesn't do it as well. He gets a few more free points on his serve than does Nadal, but Nadal has more from the back of the court from both wings.

I would put Berdych over Almagro or Acasuso but Berdych can't beat anyone right now let alone Nadal on clay.

Merton
04-14-2007, 06:29 PM
Nieminen leaded Nadal 6:4 4:1 in Barcelona, until Rafa recovered.

But I wouldn't say that Jarkko has a good shot to beat Rafa.

The only ones that look capable of beating Nadal on clay are Federer, Djokovic, Canas, Gaudio (if he actually starts playing again), Coria (same as Gaudio) and then a great day of Almagro or Acasuso.

I am not sure about Djokovic, the match up reminds me of Muster-Kafelnikov but I am curious to see how they would play. Nadal is a bad match up for Canas, I still remember their match at Rome in 2005. I agree on the others, also add Calleri there with Almagro and Chucho.

Andre♥
04-14-2007, 06:30 PM
Canas would what? Out-grind Nadal on clay? I don't think so.

He would have a shot. Nadal would be the favorite, but Nadal is committing a lot of UE lately and Canas is the right guy to take advantage of them.

NYCtennisfan
04-14-2007, 06:33 PM
In best of 3 James could defeat Nadal if all the stars got aligned. In best of 5 I don't think it would happen.

This is true. Blake against Almagro at RG was maybe the best hitting on tour all year by anyone. It was incredible.

If they played 10 times on clay, 7 or 8 of the matches would be 6-3, 6-1 for Nadal, a couple might be 7-5, 6-4, and in one Blake might have a chance. But that's the point: Blake would actually have a chance to win compared with most of the other players who would have to hope that Nadal was hitting the ball into the net.

NYCtennisfan
04-14-2007, 06:34 PM
He would have a shot. Nadal would be the favorite, but Nadal is committing a lot of UE lately and Canas is the right guy to take advantage of them.

You are right, Nadal IS committing more UE's, but that is on hardcourts. I doubt the UE's continue on clay.

Johnny Groove
04-14-2007, 06:35 PM
Obviously, Nadal would be the favorite against anyone on clay, but anyone who wants to beat him would have to play incredibly, ala Safin 05 AO, at least in a 5 set match.

And one can't let up either. Can't have a mental letdown for a few games, as Nadal will take advantage and get the break. (This is why guys like Gaudio, Coria, Fat Dave, Safin, and other headcases would have a tough time winning, even though their game can win on their best day.)

As for a 3 set match, well, its more possible, but I think that the situation would be more like Federer in halle last year. Lose a set, maybe face a mp, but pull it out in the end

trixtah
04-14-2007, 06:37 PM
You are right, Nadal IS committing more UE's, but that is on hardcourts. I doubt the UE's continue on clay.

you beat me to it. As for Federer...he's been playing like crap lately and it's not because of Canas--though, that is part of the reason. We'll see how Roger is playing with his first match, but I'm not counting on him going far. Or it could be the opposite and he's found his rhythm again.

Burrow
04-14-2007, 06:38 PM
I would be shocked if Safin beats one of them...

I would be shocked if I seen Coria get a serve in......

jayjay
04-14-2007, 06:39 PM
The only ones that look capable of beating Nadal on clay are Federer, Djokovic, Canas, Gaudio (if he actually starts playing again), Coria (same as Gaudio) and then a great day of Almagro or Acasuso.

Agreed, apart from Chucho lacks the balls to win a match of that nature (hopefully he'll improve in that aspect sooner rather than later). Although not much point in bringing Gaudio or Coria up at present, they are so far gone, especially in the case of Coria who as we know isn't even playing at the moment.

Andre♥
04-14-2007, 06:43 PM
Agreed, apart from Chucho lacks the balls to win a match of that nature (hopefully he'll improve in that aspect sooner rather than later). Although not much point in bringing Gaudio or Coria up at present, they are so far gone, especially in the case of Coria who as we know isn't even playing at the moment.

I only put Coria and Gaudio on the list, because they are not retired and if one day they get again to their real level again, they have a shot against Nadal.

At this level, they would be double bagelled or something close to that.

jayjay
04-14-2007, 06:45 PM
I only put Coria and Gaudio on the list, because they are not retired and if one day they get again to their real level again, they have a shot against Nadal.

At this level, they would be double bagelled or something close to that.

I agree. It would be nice if Gaudio and Coria returned to a good level, although I don't expect either to be able to play at the level that they once did. Last year's clay season was a disappointment for me overall. Only Nadal and Federer showed high levels, and the form of guys like Coria, Gaudio, Ferrero et al was so below what they were and have been capable of, it was depressing.

I fear it may be the same this year, but hopefully for a good spectacle, some of the younger players will make some noise this Euro clay season, and it would be nice if guys like Ferrero, Gaudio, and you can include Safin too, would get in on the mix too.

GlennMirnyi
04-14-2007, 06:59 PM
The Canas situation is the following. On clay, Nadal won't risk anything. He'll just moonball and moonball Canas to oblivion and Canas BH isn't strong enough to keep returning deep balls with heavy topspin deep on Nadal's side. The forehand would keep him safe, but the BH would be the Achilles' heel. One thing is handling pace and just using the pace to counter-attack, but Nadal is pure spin, there won't be much pace to work with. You have to put away Nadal's balls, you can't simply expect his mistakes.
Blake: Blake can put away Nadal's balls, as shown in all their previous matches. I think the difference of movement on clay, the most crucial of all aspects in this surface, would get James. On a good day he'd keep hitting winners off both wings and all, but what doesn't come back on hard will come back on clay. James advantage would be that Nadal plays even farther back on clay, and James doesn't change his game much at all (probably because he can't, not because he doesn't want to).
Youzhny: as Blake Youzhny can put away the moonballs but he needs a good day. He's another streaky player and when he starts spraying balls... there's no chance for him. A good server too and that can help him dictate his games on serve.

nobama
04-14-2007, 07:02 PM
Berdych, Youzhny, Andreev... ;)What has Berdych done this year? Not much. He couldn't beat Roddick on clay, there's no way he's beating Nadal.

Johnny Groove
04-14-2007, 07:05 PM
The Canas situation is the following. On clay, Nadal won't risk anything. He'll just moonball and moonball Canas to oblivion and Canas BH isn't strong enough to keep returning deep balls with heavy topspin deep on Nadal's side. The forehand would keep him safe, but the BH would be the Achilles' heel. One thing is handling pace and just using the pace to counter-attack, but Nadal is pure spin, there won't be much pace to work with. You have to put away Nadal's balls, you can't simply expect his mistakes.
Blake: Blake can put away Nadal's balls, as shown in all their previous matches. I think the difference of movement on clay, the most crucial of all aspects in this surface, would get James. On a good day he'd keep hitting winners off both wings and all, but what doesn't come back on hard will come back on clay. James advantage would be that Nadal plays even farther back on clay, and James doesn't change his game much at all (probably because he can't, not because he doesn't want to).
Youzhny: as Blake Youzhny can put away the moonballs but he needs a good day. He's another streaky player and when he starts spraying balls... there's no chance for him. A good server too and that can help him dictate his games on serve.

What about Karlovic? :p

stebs
04-14-2007, 07:13 PM
Blake: Blake can put away Nadal's balls, as shown in all their previous matches. I think the difference of movement on clay, the most crucial of all aspects in this surface, would get James. On a good day he'd keep hitting winners off both wings and all, but what doesn't come back on hard will come back on clay. James advantage would be that Nadal plays even farther back on clay, and James doesn't change his game much at all (probably because he can't, not because he doesn't want to).
Youzhny: as Blake Youzhny can put away the moonballs but he needs a good day. He's another streaky player and when he starts spraying balls... there's no chance for him. A good server too and that can help him dictate his games on serve.

Main difference with Blake and Youzhny is that Blake goes for one huge shot whereas Youzhny hits a succesion of pretty big shots. Not sure who would have a better shot of outhitting Nadal on the red stuff.

stebs
04-14-2007, 07:13 PM
What about Karlovic? :p

Isn't often that Nadal plays a match in which there are no rallies longer than 4 shots.

Johnny Groove
04-14-2007, 07:13 PM
Main difference with Blake and Youzhny is that Blake goes for one huge shot whereas Youzhny hits a succesion of pretty big shots. Not sure who would have a better shot of outhitting Nadal on the red stuff.

Neither. Be realistic

stebs
04-14-2007, 07:15 PM
Neither. Be realistic

I didn't mean winning. Nadal is clearly the best on clay and can beat both of those guys on it for sure. Still, they can outhit Nadal even if it would not lead to victory.

Johnny Groove
04-14-2007, 07:15 PM
Isn't often that Nadal plays a match in which there are no rallies longer than 4 shots.

so Karlovic would have no shot? Or would he have to s/v every point, seeing as he has no chance from the baseline

Johnny Groove
04-14-2007, 07:17 PM
I didn't mean winning. Nadal is clearly the best on clay and can beat both of those guys on it for sure. Still, they can outhit Nadal even if it would not lead to victory.

True, they can outhit him, that is their game, and not his. When it comes to winning on clay, outhitting doesnt always work. Other surfaces? Another story.

Thats another thing that makes tennis so awesome, the diversity of surfaces. No matter what the naysayers of court slowing say.

cmurray
04-14-2007, 07:20 PM
I go with Youzhny as the more dangerous. Blake has 2 problems on clay:

1. He sucks at it. His movement is awful and he simply is unable to get in position to hit a good winner.

2. If the tennis gods were generous and he WERE in a good position to hit a winner, it probably wouldn't end up actually being a winner. Nadal gets so many balls back on dirt, that you are forced to hit 5 or 6 great shots to get the point.

3. He gets discouraged if things don't go well.

Youzhny...well, I don't know how his movement on clay is because I don't remember ever having watched him play on it, but I *do* know that he isn't as big a head case as James, and that gives him an advantage.

oschemi
04-14-2007, 07:29 PM
I go with Youzhny as the more dangerous. Blake has 2 problems on clay:

1. He sucks at it. His movement is awful and he simply is unable to get in position to hit a good winner.

2. If the tennis gods were generous and he WERE in a good position to hit a winner, it probably wouldn't end up actually being a winner. Nadal gets so many balls back on dirt, that you are forced to hit 5 or 6 great shots to get the point.

3. He gets discouraged if things don't go well.

Youzhny...well, I don't know how his movement on clay is because I don't remember ever having watched him play on it, but I *do* know that he isn't as big a head case as James, and that gives him an advantage.


Youhzny and Nadal have played on the dirt. I think it was at this event in '05. Nadal whooped him 1 and 2. He has no chance against Nadal on clay

Johnny Groove
04-14-2007, 07:30 PM
Youhzny and Nadal have played on the dirt. I think it was at this event in '05. Nadal whooped him 1 and 2. He has no chance against Nadal on clay

it was 0 and 2 :p

GlennMirnyi
04-14-2007, 07:32 PM
What has Berdych done this year? Not much. He couldn't beat Roddick on clay, there's no way he's beating Nadal.

Have you ever heard about match-ups or you're worse than adee-gee when it comes to it?

What about Karlovic? :p

Karlovic has a pretty big shot.

Neither. Be realistic

Both can defeat Nadal and I hope you won't be stunned if they do. Nadal isn't invincible and losing to clowns like Guccione isn't making his form any better.

GlennMirnyi
04-14-2007, 07:33 PM
Youhzny and Nadal have played on the dirt. I think it was at this event in '05. Nadal whooped him 1 and 2. He has no chance against Nadal on clay

Youzhny is streaky. He was on a pretty bad form those days.

Johnny Groove
04-14-2007, 07:53 PM
Both can defeat Nadal and I hope you won't be stunned if they do. Nadal isn't invincible and losing to clowns like Guccione isn't making his form any better.

On hard, yes, on clay? Won't happen

stebs
04-14-2007, 07:55 PM
so Karlovic would have no shot? Or would he have to s/v every point, seeing as he has no chance from the baseline

For me, Karlovic has a shot against anyone at any time in a three set match. Thing is, if Nadal has a dodgy service game I can see Karlovic breaking him once in a match. He really spanks returns on the forehand and clay or no clay those babies aren't coming back. He doesn't have a good chance but still better than most.

GlennMirnyi
04-14-2007, 07:57 PM
For me, Karlovic has a shot against anyone at any time in a three set match. Thing is, if Nadal has a dodgy service game I can see Karlovic breaking him once in a match. He really spanks returns on the forehand and clay or no clay those babies aren't coming back. He doesn't have a good chance but still better than most.

Nadal isn't exactly good against big servers too.

Johnny Groove
04-14-2007, 08:01 PM
Nadal isn't exactly good against big servers too.

Didnt have a problem against Roddick in IW :shrug:

Also, Karlovic and Nadal played once, in 04, in Milan on carpet. Nadal won in 3 sets, 6-1 in the 3rd, but that result isnt extrememly relevent.

GlennMirnyi
04-14-2007, 08:08 PM
Didnt have a problem against Roddick in IW :shrug:

Also, Karlovic and Nadal played once, in 04, in Milan on carpet. Nadal won in 3 sets, 6-1 in the 3rd, but that result isnt extrememly relevent.

Roddick is a joke and his serve is nowhere near Karlovic's. Especially because he's worse at the net than 14 year-old amateurs.

stebs
04-14-2007, 08:08 PM
Didnt have a problem against Roddick in IW :shrug:

Also, Karlovic and Nadal played once, in 04, in Milan on carpet. Nadal won in 3 sets, 6-1 in the 3rd, but that result isnt extrememly relevent.

Roddick has a ggreat serve but it is a different ball game. The Roddick serve is very quick but very returnable. Many players are able to get it back even though it sits up for Roddick. Karlovic serve is simply a different class. He also comes in behind serves and almost all his forehands are either winners or errors.

GlennMirnyi
04-14-2007, 08:09 PM
Roddick has a ggreat serve but it is a different ball game. The Roddick serve is very quick but very returnable. Many players are able to get it back even though it sits up for Roddick. Karlovic serve is simply a different class. He also comes in behind serves and almost all his forehands are either winners or errors.

Most importantly, Karlovic won't give any rhythm to Nadal.

Johnny Groove
04-14-2007, 08:12 PM
Roddick has a ggreat serve but it is a different ball game. The Roddick serve is very quick but very returnable. Many players are able to get it back even though it sits up for Roddick. Karlovic serve is simply a different class. He also comes in behind serves and almost all his forehands are either winners or errors.

Karlovic would have to come in off every serve. If he stays in the back, Nadal wll hit to his backhand every time and he'll lose every point.

GlennMirnyi
04-14-2007, 08:25 PM
Of course, you can always return Karlovic's serve wherever you want to. :rolleyes:

Castafiore
04-14-2007, 08:30 PM
What has Berdych done this year? Not much. He couldn't beat Roddick on clay, there's no way he's beating Nadal.
Berdych is inconsistent. That's common knowledge. One match he can be rather average, the other match simply fantastic. So, I don't really attach that much importance to what he did in previous tournaments or events with Tomas but I tend to take each match as it comes.

I have no idea if you saw that match in Bastad in 2005 (it's been brought up often enough on MTF but have you seen it?) but that was a close match on clay. To say that there's no way he's beating Nadal is a bit exaggerated IMO.

trixtah
04-14-2007, 08:34 PM
Have you ever heard about match-ups or you're worse than adee-gee when it comes to it?

have you heard about surface types? or are you worse than hitler (edit: oops, I'm not referring to you GWH :) ) at making judgments? Big hitters aren't as much a problem for Nadal than they are on hard. I like Berdych and all, but he's got such a small chance versus nadal on clay the way he's playing lately. I agree about Blake though. He's got no shot. If you're making judgments based on what you see in Houston...Houston clay is clay to make Americans feel like they're clay court players

GlennMirnyi
04-14-2007, 08:55 PM
have you heard about surface types? or are you worse than hitler at making judgments? Big hitters aren't as much a problem for Nadal than they are on hard. I like Berdych and all, but he's got such a small chance versus nadal on clay the way he's playing lately. I agree about Blake though. He's got no shot. If you're making judgments based on what you see in Houston...Houston clay is clay to make Americans feel like they're clay court players

Who's talking about Houston, newbie? So how did he get MPs against Nadal in Bastad? Luck? :retard:

Match-ups work doesn't matter the surface, and Berdych is no Ginepri on clay.

All_Slam_Andre
04-14-2007, 09:04 PM
Who's talking about Houston, newbie? So how did he get MPs against Nadal in Bastad? Luck? :retard:



Berdych didn't get any match points in that 2005 Bastad final. Nadal beat him 2-6 6-2 6-4. Though he did get a break point when Nadal was serving for match in at *5-4 in the 3rd set.

guga2120
04-14-2007, 09:13 PM
Nadal does not have to worry about Berdych,Youzhny on clay, or Karlovic:confused: , i hope that one was a joke. Now Blake, even on clay, im betting Nadal does not want to play him a 3 set match, Blake plays Nadal better than anybody. But Nadal's biggest worry is Roger, thats the one guy that could just beat him, even if hes playing well.

I will be curious to see how good Novak plays and especially moves on clay, look foward to seeing if he can keep it close w/ Roger when they play.

ycpg
04-14-2007, 09:31 PM
Nadal will not go to lose, even that it finds Federer.

rafagirlno1
04-14-2007, 10:26 PM
the winner of the Fed-Nole match should definitely go on to end up being the finalist next sunday :devil:

gusman890
04-14-2007, 10:28 PM
Good thing Ivo isnt playing, he would add drama to the draw.

LaTenista
04-14-2007, 10:46 PM
:shrug: Am I the only person who doesn't think the Fed-Nole QF is a lock?

canbera
04-14-2007, 10:53 PM
what's up with Tommy Haas? doesn't he play?

edit : the only good thing about the draw is that Nadal and Nalbandian could meet in the 4th round

Marek.
04-14-2007, 10:58 PM
what's up with Tommy Haas? doesn't he play?

He's basically American and they aren't allowed to play MC;)

Metis
04-14-2007, 11:05 PM
:shrug: Am I the only person who doesn't think the Fed-Nole QF is a lock?

I would be very surprised if Federer didn't make it to the QF given his draw, but I agree it's not a sure thing for Djokovic. We don't know if his good form will continue and Ferrer is pretty good on clay :).

neme6
04-14-2007, 11:15 PM
I haven't see Blake and Canas in this draw, anything up with those 2?

GlennMirnyi
04-14-2007, 11:25 PM
Canas only comes back in Rome, it seems.

Gulliver
04-14-2007, 11:39 PM
I wouldn't be surprised to see a qualifier take out Federer. He'd have played 3 matches on the clay and Federer has played only 4 matches, plus a bit of doubles, all on hard, in the last 6 weeks.

Andre♥
04-15-2007, 12:28 AM
Canas only comes back in Rome, it seems.

There were talks about an Estoril WC, but I think he will end not playing.

Andre♥
04-15-2007, 12:30 AM
I wouldn't be surprised to see a qualifier take out Federer. He'd have played 3 matches on the clay and Federer has played only 4 matches, plus a bit of doubles, all on hard, in the last 6 weeks.

Look at the qualifying final round matches and now imagine one of them beating Federer. Who? Falla? Garcia-Lopez? Roitman? Gabashvili? Galvani? Kohlschreiber?

:haha:

seanog
04-15-2007, 12:36 AM
is canas playing???????????????????I REALLY want 2 see him play federer on a clay court because if canas can beat federer on a hard court what will he do to him on a slow clay court..................

~EMiLiTA~
04-15-2007, 01:54 AM
hate these stupid byes

neme6
04-15-2007, 02:10 AM
Canas has beaten Fed on hard? I thought Fed had beaten himself 2 times, I guess I've missed some Fed matches!

Action Jackson
04-15-2007, 08:56 AM
What has Berdych done this year? Not much. He couldn't beat Roddick on clay, there's no way he's beating Nadal.

Forgetting rule 1 of tennis I see.

Action Jackson
04-15-2007, 09:00 AM
Oooooooooooh, it doesn't feel like a TMS, time to bring out the violins.

Yes, Roddick, Blake, Haas and Fish are huge losses to a major clay event, it would be on par of losing Gaudio, Wawrinka, Berlocq and Behrend to Wimbledon.

As usual some classic claycourt clowns in action.

trixtah
04-15-2007, 09:03 AM
Who's talking about Houston, newbie? So how did he get MPs against Nadal in Bastad? Luck? :retard:

Match-ups work doesn't matter the surface, and Berdych is no Ginepri on clay.

what match point? losing 2-6, 6-2, 6-4...i'm SO SURE he had match points. :retard: and match-ups don't depend on the surface? wtf? you're proving you're a tennis noob here. do you just watch tennis on tv and act like you know what the sport is about? have you even ever stepped on a clay court without falling flat on your face? fail.

juanqui.ferrero
04-15-2007, 09:03 AM
Tommy R. has quite a playable quarter I think... That's good :)

belco
04-15-2007, 09:10 AM
Hope nole is ready to take on Fed and beat him :cool:

stebs
04-15-2007, 09:53 AM
Karlovic would have to come in off every serve. If he stays in the back, Nadal wll hit to his backhand every time and he'll lose every point.

Nadal isn't perfect. In a Nadal - Karlovic match-up there are going to be some FH winners from the back by Karlovic.

Jelena_78
04-15-2007, 10:22 AM
Look at the qualifying final round matches and now imagine one of them beating Federer. Who? Falla? Garcia-Lopez? Roitman? Gabashvili? Galvani? Kohlschreiber?

:haha:

You wanted to say BOZOLJAC ?! ;) :wavey:

tcorinna
04-15-2007, 10:49 AM
:wavey: Is there any livestream for MC? I realy want to see today the match of Marat ... Thanks :wavey:

W!MBLEDON
04-15-2007, 11:35 AM
So Seppi and Pavel are the first qualifiers. Any idea as to where they'll be placed in the draw?

JBdV
04-15-2007, 12:54 PM
:wavey: Is there any livestream for MC? I realy want to see today the match of Marat ... Thanks :wavey:

Coverage doesn't start till tomorrow :(

tcorinna
04-15-2007, 12:59 PM
Coverage doesn't start till tomorrow :(
:sad: :sad: ufffff .... but why???:sad: :sad:

oz_boz
04-15-2007, 01:19 PM
Some excellent first round matches:

Moya-Youzhny
Andreev-Chucho
Almagro-Berdych
Nieminen-Safin

Some interesting first round matches:

Monfils-Stepanek
Marcos-Mirnyi
Rochus-Soderling
PHM-Vliegen

Some matches with comedy potential:

Lee-Bjorkman
Tursunov-Gaudio
Becker-ToJo

Agreed.

Just curious. On clay, what ISNT a cakewalk for Nadal? Safin, Nalbandian, Kolya/Berdych/Robredo, and then Federer in the final is a cakewalk?

Just returning the favour of everyone pointlessly complaining on cakewalk draws for Fed on hc. No draw hard for him since Nadal is on other half (well, since the Canas debacle that is debatable, but before...you know the story).

Nieminen or PHM might be dangerous here though, and Nalbandian would definitely be if he somehow came back to form.

Agreed to. :)

The only ones that look capable of beating Nadal on clay are Federer, Djokovic, Canas, Gaudio(if he actually starts playing again), Coria (same as Gaudio) and then a great day of Almagro or Acasuso.

Nah...don´t agree with bolded ones, and Coria-Gaudio lacking power need to play play absolutely faultless.

I am not sure about Djokovic, the match up reminds me of Muster-Kafelnikov but I am curious to see how they would play. Nadal is a bad match up for Canas, I still remember their match at Rome in 2005. I agree on the others, also add Calleri there with Almagro and Chucho.

Again agreed. If Calleri plays like he did against Ferrero in 2003 - pretty unlikely though.

Nadal does not have to worry about Berdych.

Check facts.

RonE
04-15-2007, 04:53 PM
I agree with the others....this is a bit of a snooze fest, isn't it?

Djoko/Fed intriguing, otherwise....meh.

Although, the you-know-what is gonna hit the fan if Roger and Rafa both make the finals again. THEN it gets interesting.

Wrong. If that happens the only way it will be interesting is if Federer beats Nadal. Otherwise it is just another routine clay court event. :shrug:

BlackSilver
04-15-2007, 05:00 PM
and Coria-Gaudio lacking power need to play play absolutely faultless.


What that means?

Action Jackson
04-15-2007, 05:08 PM
What that means?

Coria and Gaudio don't have the firepower and would have to play at their best, is what I think he is saying.

Gaudio isn't a big fan of Nadal, it's funny what loathing can do to someone to make them play better, but he has the game to do well against him, when things are working well, that hasn't happened since 05.

Coria tactically at his best was excellent and would have to out think Nadal, cause he won't outhit him. This is a moot point cause both are not in very good places at the moment.

RonE
04-15-2007, 05:11 PM
Gaudio isn't a big fan of Nadal, it's funny what loathing can do to someone to make them play better, but he has the game to do well against him, when things are working well, that hasn't happened since 05.


Was there some sort of altercation between the two of them that I am unaware of?

GlennMirnyi
04-15-2007, 05:13 PM
Was there some sort of altercation between the two of them that I am unaware of?

I watched a video of Gaudio teasing Nadal once... very nice. :D

Merton
04-15-2007, 05:17 PM
Coria and Gaudio don't have the firepower and would have to play at their best, is what I think he is saying.

Gaudio isn't a big fan of Nadal, it's funny what loathing can do to someone to make them play better, but he has the game to do well against him, when things are working well, that hasn't happened since 05.

Coria tactically at his best was excellent and would have to out think Nadal, cause he won't outhit him. This is a moot point cause both are not in very good places at the moment.

The feeling must be mutual, I remember their match at Monte Carlo in 2005 was not that friendly at all to put it mildly and it must be something that happened back in Buenos Aires. Gaston played very well in Stuttgart 05 and Monte Carlo last year, he just lost the important points. And Nadal was also very good, especially the match in Stuttgart was one of the best he has performed on clay.

Action Jackson
04-15-2007, 05:24 PM
Was there some sort of altercation between the two of them that I am unaware of?

I mean it's not like Gaudio and Robredo, but there was something in Buenos Aires. Nadal allegedly called him a sudaca de mierda which I think means South American shit and Gaudio said something along the lines of don't bullshit to me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bz9Yg59QrSw

mallorn
04-15-2007, 05:44 PM
Wrong. If that happens the only way it will be interesting is if Federer beats Nadal. Otherwise it is just another routine clay court event. :shrug:
By this logic, the vast majority of the events Roger won on grass and hard were routine and not interesting. :lol:

kobulingam
04-15-2007, 05:44 PM
Gaudio doesn't even show fire when he's pissed at someone.

RonE
04-15-2007, 06:53 PM
I mean it's not like Gaudio and Robredo, but there was something in Buenos Aires. Nadal allegedly called him a sudaca de mierda which I think means South American shit and Gaudio said something along the lines of don't bullshit to me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bz9Yg59QrSw


Thanks George :wavey:

I wonder who started it? :lol: ;)


By this logic, the vast majority of the events Roger won on grass and hard were routine and not interesting. :lol:

Well the last two hardcourt events were very "interesting" according to many here in MTF on account of Roger getting knocked out early from them.

I think it is only fair that this trend of interesting tournaments with the lock in favourite to win losing early continues in the clay season don't you think? :aplot: :angel:

Merton
04-15-2007, 07:08 PM
Gaudio doesn't even show fire when he's pissed at someone.

His effort level was just pathetic in that match, even though he managed to top that performance later in the season in Rome against Ferrer.

Byrd
04-15-2007, 07:11 PM
Gaudio against Simon at Hamburg was pretty funny, got so frustrated he ripped his shorts. Simon had to tell him to change, otherwise he would of played on lol.

yana
04-15-2007, 07:14 PM
I mean it's not like Gaudio and Robredo, but there was something in Buenos Aires. Nadal allegedly called him a sudaca de mierda which I think means South American shit and Gaudio said something along the lines of don't bullshit to me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bz9Yg59QrSw


So that's why the two of them were so reserved when they met each other in Shanghai '05. I saw that in a video of Antena 3 (spanish tel) coverage of Rafa's experince at his first TMC (from which he retired injured).
They met when they were training and their dialogue was, more or less:
Gaudio: Hola, como estas?
Rafa: Bien.
Gaudio: Bien?
Rafa: Si (and then he look the other way). :p

Action Jackson
04-15-2007, 07:15 PM
His effort level was just pathetic in that match, even though he managed to top that performance later in the season in Rome against Ferrer.

That was hilarious, but when he starts serving/volleying off 2nd serves, then the fun begins.

RonE, well it's not hard to see.

GlennMirnyi
04-15-2007, 07:18 PM
Thanks George :wavey:

I wonder who started it? :lol: ;)


I watched an Argie video of Gaudio and Nadal I think in MC and Gaudio told him something in the line of "you need to get some girls". :lol:

mallorn
04-15-2007, 07:19 PM
Well the last two hardcourt events were very "interesting" according to many here in MTF on account of Roger getting knocked out early from them.
You weren't one of them, were you? :lol: I just think it's hilarious that a Federerfantard :p should complain about the favourite winning too much as "not interesting" and "routine." :lol:
I think it is only fair that this trend of interesting tournaments with the lock in favourite to win losing early continues in the clay season don't you think? :aplot: :angel:
I think two is a very nice number. :angel:

Merton
04-15-2007, 07:28 PM
I wonder who started it? :lol: ;)



I watched an Argie video of Gaudio and Nadal I think in MC and Gaudio told him something in the line of "you need to get some girls". :lol:

Nadal's antics in that Monte Carlo match were not typical of him, usually he is self centered but there he was staring down Gaudio and fist pumping at change overs so I assume it is something that comes from their Buenos Aires match. The level of tension was more normal in Stuttgart and Monte Carlo last year.

Action Jackson
04-15-2007, 07:30 PM
Nadal's antics in that Monte Carlo match were not typical of him, usually he is self centered but there he was staring down Gaudio and fist pumping at change overs so I assume it is something that comes from their Buenos Aires match. The level of tension was more normal in Stuttgart and Monte Carlo last year.

Like I said not a lot of love there. I think Gaston gets on better with Uncle Toni.

yana
04-15-2007, 08:10 PM
According to some spanish speakers, the last translation line in the video - callate sudaca- is not said by Rafa, but by someone in the public, directed towards Gaudio, asking him to shut up. :wavey:

shotgun
04-15-2007, 10:26 PM
I'm not usually one to defend Nadal, but to call Gaudio a racist term like "sudaca gil" sounds very unlike him. Plus, you can't hear him saying it at all on the video, unlike the other stuff that is said.

Johnny Groove
04-15-2007, 10:33 PM
O please, Nadal only has beef with Berdych

GlennMirnyi
04-15-2007, 10:34 PM
O please, Nadal only has beef with Berdych

:rolleyes: you wish.

Johnny Groove
04-15-2007, 10:45 PM
:rolleyes: you wish.

Didnt look like the best of friends in Madrid, did they. Rafa might not hate him, but hes not exactly inviting him over to play video games in his underwear

Metis
04-15-2007, 10:55 PM
Didnt look like the best of friends in Madrid, did they. Rafa might not hate him, but hes not exactly inviting him over to play video games in his underwear

:lol:
Are you sure about that? I bet he did invite him, but Tomas said he had eyes for Lucie only. That's when all the bad blood started...

Johnny Groove
04-15-2007, 11:27 PM
:lol:
Are you sure about that? I bet he did invite him, but Tomas said he had eyes for Lucie only. That's when all the bad blood started...

Can't stand those straight men on the tour :rolleyes: They need to come out :p

GlennMirnyi
04-15-2007, 11:28 PM
Didnt look like the best of friends in Madrid, did they. Rafa might not hate him, but hes not exactly inviting him over to play video games in his underwear

What I mean is that many players don't like him, not only Berdych.

Sunset of Age
04-16-2007, 12:06 AM
What I mean is that many players don't like him, not only Berdych.

Any proof of this? :confused:

GlennMirnyi
04-16-2007, 12:12 AM
Any proof of this? :confused:

Many = more than 1. Gaudio and Berdych = 2 > 1. Point proven. ;)

shotgun
04-16-2007, 12:18 AM
Off the top of my head, Nadal also had his problems with Ljubicic, Galimberti and Bracciali in the past, but I'm not aware of his present locker-room relationship with these guys.

leng jai
04-16-2007, 12:21 AM
A clay tournament without Haas. Why bother?

Johnny Groove
04-16-2007, 12:47 AM
A clay tournament without Haas. Why bother?

I know. The third round losers will be missing his comraderie

trixtah
04-16-2007, 01:40 AM
Many = more than 1. Gaudio and Berdych = 2 > 1. Point proven. ;)
i think you need to look that up in the dictionary. I've never heard "many" or "numerous" refer to two people unless the speaker is trying to skew the facts. trying to make it sound like "many" players hate Nadal when you can only muster two player names. Point proven. You never refuted how wrong you were earlier :) (btw) *cough cough berdych match points in bastad

anyway, I'm hoping Marat can get it together. I'd really like to see a match with him versus rafa and also some damn ranking points

GlennMirnyi
04-16-2007, 01:54 AM
Many players hate Nadal. If you don't want to accept it, don't. The worst blind is the one who doesn't wanna see. I just gave two to prove my point.

GlennMirnyi
04-16-2007, 01:56 AM
Off the top of my head, Nadal also had his problems with Ljubicic, Galimberti and Bracciali in the past, but I'm not aware of his present locker-room relationship with these guys.

Galimberti and Bracciali? Care to enlighten me on that?

Snowwy
04-16-2007, 02:05 AM
Many players hate Nadal.

Why do players hate him Glenn and how do you know this?

GlennMirnyi
04-16-2007, 02:11 AM
Why do players hate him Glenn and how do you know this?

Do you think players like his jumping and provoking? The antics? How many players have called Nadal this and that in the press? Not one or two.

Snowwy
04-16-2007, 02:17 AM
Do you think players like his jumping and provoking? The antics? How many players have called Nadal this and that in the press? Not one or two.

A lot of players have antics, Im not sure I agree that he is hated by that many players.

GlennMirnyi
04-16-2007, 02:22 AM
A lot of players have antics, Im not sure I agree that he is hated by that many players.

At least 5 names have been mentioned in this thread and I'm sure there are more.

Snowwy
04-16-2007, 02:25 AM
At least 5 names have been mentioned in this thread and I'm sure there are more.

Okay, five maybe, I thought you were trying to imply he had a hatred around him like tehre was around Hewitt for a while.

CyBorg
04-16-2007, 02:26 AM
No Coria.:sad:

cmurray
04-16-2007, 02:27 AM
At least 5 names have been mentioned in this thread and I'm sure there are more.

You're sure there are many more because YOU hate him. :lol:

GlennMirnyi
04-16-2007, 02:33 AM
Okay, five maybe, I thought you were trying to imply he had a hatred around him like tehre was around Hewitt for a while.

Don't you think it's true? Hewitt never took 3 minutes to serve.

Johnny Groove
04-16-2007, 02:37 AM
Gustavo is merely gaining momentum for his complete anti-nadal propaganda parade as the clay season continues, with insults and lies that other players hate him, as well as degrading every win he gets with things like "Cakewalk draw, can't serve, clown, even benneteau would have beaten him, etc. etc. etc."

RickDaStick
04-16-2007, 02:41 AM
Gustavo is merely gaining momentum for his complete anti-nadal propaganda parade as the clay season continues, with insults and lies that other players hate him, as well as degrading every win he gets with things like "Cakewalk draw, can't serve, clown, even benneteau would have beaten him, etc. etc. etc."

The G-Man speaks the thruth. Sorry that hurts you so much.:p

Johnny Groove
04-16-2007, 02:43 AM
The G-Man speaks the thruth. Sorry that hurts you so much.:p

It doesnt hurt me at all. Maybe my sides hurt from the laughter, both from him and the chances Ljubo has of doing anything noteworthy :p

GlennMirnyi
04-16-2007, 02:44 AM
Gustavo is merely gaining momentum for his complete anti-nadal propaganda parade as the clay season continues, with insults and lies that other players hate him, as well as degrading every win he gets with things like "Cakewalk draw, can't serve, clown, even benneteau would have beaten him, etc. etc. etc."

The G-Man speaks the thruth. Sorry that hurts you so much.:p

Spot on. :D

Metis
04-16-2007, 02:57 AM
I don't know how many players hate Nadal but what I know is nobody in this world is liked by everybody. The greatest men in history had enemies during their lifetime (especially among their peers) but ultimately were judged by their achievements and contributions to society. Galileo Galilei had several enemies, Socrates, Jesus Christ (I am mentioning him as a historical figure not as the Son of God for those of you who are not religious), Nelson Mandela, Mahatma Gandhi and the list goes on...

So what's your point Glenn? 5 players hate Nadal (and we are not even sure they actually hate him). What's the big deal?

GlennMirnyi
04-16-2007, 03:05 AM
I don't know how many players hate Nadal but what I know is nobody in this world is liked by everybody. The greatest men in history had enemies during their lifetime (especially among their peers) but ultimately were judged by their achievements and contributions to society. Galileo Galilei had several enemies, Socrates, Jesus Christ (I am mentioning him as a historical figure not as the Son of God for those of you who are not religious), Nelson Mandela, Mahatma Gandhi and the list goes on...

So what's your point Glenn? 5 players hate Nadal (and we are not even sure they actually hate him). What's the big deal?

5 are mentioned here. I'm sure a lot more could be found digging interviews.

Snowwy
04-16-2007, 03:06 AM
I havent read the entire thread, but who are the 5 Glenn?

nobama
04-16-2007, 03:58 AM
I see the Bryans are playing MC...and they were in the doubles final in Houston. I know Roddick is injured, but Blake should be playing there, being it's a Masters and all.

GlennMirnyi
04-16-2007, 04:40 AM
I havent read the entire thread, but who are the 5 Glenn?

Gaudio, Berdych, Galimberti, Bracciali and Ljubicic.

Action Jackson
04-16-2007, 04:44 AM
I'm not usually one to defend Nadal, but to call Gaudio a racist term like "sudaca gil" sounds very unlike him. Plus, you can't hear him saying it at all on the video, unlike the other stuff that is said.

That video I posted was inconclusive, but Gaudio doesn't call Nadal a boludo out of love.

NeoSoul84
04-16-2007, 05:45 AM
I actually like the draw. Federer FINALLY doesnt have that invincible aura going into the clay season. He has a tough draw if the key players pul through it. Also Nadal has tough ppl as well. It will be interesting on how Roger rebounds after losses on hardcourts, how Novak backs up his Miami win, and if Nadal can keep his clay steak alive.

jenanun
04-16-2007, 06:01 AM
Do you think players like his jumping and provoking? The antics? How many players have called Nadal this and that in the press? Not one or two.

people HATE nadal because he JUMPS?

:haha:

if thats true, these people are pretty sad....

anyway, the word hate is probably too strong to be used here....

trixtah
04-16-2007, 06:17 AM
I don't know how many players hate Nadal but what I know is nobody in this world is liked by everybody. The greatest men in history had enemies during their lifetime (especially among their peers) but ultimately were judged by their achievements and contributions to society. Galileo Galilei had several enemies, Socrates, Jesus Christ (I am mentioning him as a historical figure not as the Son of God for those of you who are not religious), Nelson Mandela, Mahatma Gandhi and the list goes on...

So what's your point Glenn? 5 players hate Nadal (and we are not even sure they actually hate him). What's the big deal?
5 are mentioned here. I'm sure a lot more could be found digging interviews.

This retard doesn't understand the intent of the post he quoted--as usual from GMirnyi to casually (read: moronically?) snip out the important bits, not understanding what's being said :rolleyes: What his sig should say is "If you disagree with me, there's a 99.9% chance you're wrong...because I don't understand what you're talking about." Metis, good post..

Glenn: "zomg 5 pplzzz hatez nadal he mustz be a criminal zombg!!one!!!eleven!!!oneone!!" and don't try to argue semantics here, Glenn. Whenever I call you out, you shift the focus to some irrelevant minutiae such as grammar, never willing to admit that you're wrong. Oh, and one more thing, don't straw man me--or anyone else here, for that matter--just because you have no clue what you're arguing. In your case, though, it might be unintentional for reasons above stated...:retard:

Metis
04-16-2007, 06:55 AM
^^^ I wouldn't use the word retard to describe GlennMirnyi, that would be an insult to people born intellectually limited. At least they have a good excuse. ;) He's just an immature boy that gets his kicks by trying to annoy people in GM with idiotic posts. Best thing to do is ignore them, although from time to time it's probably worth writing a serious response to him. His :silly: reply will make the unsuspecting new MTF members realize his posts are not to be taken seriously. :lol:

Glenn don't worry, it's just a phase. It will pass :smooch:

:ras:

Johnny Groove
04-16-2007, 10:28 AM
Glenn don't worry, it's just a phase. It will pass :smooch:

:ras:

I hope NOT!!! Where would the fun be in intellectual arguments w/o name calling and shit-slinging? :awww:

Sunset of Age
04-16-2007, 10:39 AM
Hmmm. Nice atmosphere here, once again! :(
Cool it people, and please refrain from insulting each other, okay? ;)

As for the discussion: there might well be quite some players that don't appreciate Raf's on-court antics (and YES, they exist, though I must add that I very much appreciate it that Raf's been seriously toning them down lately), but it's a very different thing from actually hating someone.

One's behaviour on court may well be very different from that off court - and I've read too many statements from other players that Raf is a very nice guy in private. So... hatred...? :rolleyes:

shotgun
04-16-2007, 01:03 PM
Re: Galimberti/Bracciali

http://www.lukor.com/deportes/noticias/0509/24205950.htm

http://www.terra.es/deportes/articulo/html/dpo141056.htm

The_Nadal_effect
04-16-2007, 02:28 PM
people HATE nadal because he JUMPS?
:haha:
if thats true, these people are pretty sad....

I LOVE Rafzilla's jumps:worship:! His exuberance is unpretentious. I think he is a naturally exciting player and a strain on the eyes of people who aren't used to such athleticism.

I wouldn't use the word retard to describe GlennMirnyi, that would be an insult to people born intellectually limited. At least they have a good excuse. He's just an immature boy that gets his kicks by trying to annoy people in GM with idiotic posts.

Thank you Metis!:D

Hmmm. Nice atmosphere here, once again!
Cool it people, and please refrain from insulting each other, okay?

So now you know CB, just why I am a little bit more favourable to Rafa than Fed. He has too many haters for all the most obscure reasons;) .

mer
04-16-2007, 02:46 PM
I LOVE Rafzilla's jumps:worship:! His exuberance is unpretentious. I think he is a naturally exciting player and a strain on the eyes of people who aren't used to such athleticism.

oh, please.. jumps and the way a player celebrates have nothing to do with athleticism or the lack of it.

GlennMirnyi
04-16-2007, 03:10 PM
people HATE nadal because he JUMPS?

:haha:

if thats true, these people are pretty sad....

anyway, the word hate is probably too strong to be used here....

Joker, try reading this:

From Bracciali:

Por otro lado, el toscano no dudó en criticar los habituales gestos de Rafa Nadal. "No me han gustado algunos gestos de Nadal y cuando conseguía el punto no debía mostrar el puño, no era correcto, a Federer no le he visto nunca hacer algo así", criticó.



Galimberti recrimina a Nadal sus saltos de motivación

Giorgio Galimberti, jugador italiano que esta tarde, con su compañero Daniele Bracciali, se adjudicaron el punto de dobles ante los españoles Feliciano López y Rafael Nadal, recriminó a éste los saltos y gestos de ánimo que suele hacer el mallorquín.

'Sus gestos también nos dan motivación a nosotros, pues nos han roto los huevos. Por eso, después nosotros también respondimos con gestos cuando ganábamos puntos. A (Roger) Federer nunca le he visto hacer esas cosas', dijo Galimberti.

Bracciali complains about the fist-pumps and the title of Galimberti's article is:
GALIMBERTI CONDEMNS NADAL AND HIS MOTIVATION JUMPS.

See now who's the laughing-stock? It's you.

This retard doesn't understand the intent of the post he quoted--as usual from GMirnyi to casually (read: moronically?) snip out the important bits, not understanding what's being said :rolleyes: What his sig should say is "If you disagree with me, there's a 99.9% chance you're wrong...because I don't understand what you're talking about." Metis, good post..

Glenn: "zomg 5 pplzzz hatez nadal he mustz be a criminal zombg!!one!!!eleven!!!oneone!!" and don't try to argue semantics here, Glenn. Whenever I call you out, you shift the focus to some irrelevant minutiae such as grammar, never willing to admit that you're wrong. Oh, and one more thing, don't straw man me--or anyone else here, for that matter--just because you have no clue what you're arguing. In your case, though, it might be unintentional for reasons above stated...:retard:

When you learn about tennis and writing you come back here newbie fanboy. Someone who cannot even articulate decent sentences can't dare to discuss about the sport in public. Go watch football, it's easier to understand.

trixtah
04-16-2007, 03:12 PM
Joker, try reading this:

From Bracciali:

Por otro lado, el toscano no dudó en criticar los habituales gestos de Rafa Nadal. "No me han gustado algunos gestos de Nadal y cuando conseguía el punto no debía mostrar el puño, no era correcto, a Federer no le he visto nunca hacer algo así", criticó.



Galimberti recrimina a Nadal sus saltos de motivación

Giorgio Galimberti, jugador italiano que esta tarde, con su compañero Daniele Bracciali, se adjudicaron el punto de dobles ante los españoles Feliciano López y Rafael Nadal, recriminó a éste los saltos y gestos de ánimo que suele hacer el mallorquín.

'Sus gestos también nos dan motivación a nosotros, pues nos han roto los huevos. Por eso, después nosotros también respondimos con gestos cuando ganábamos puntos. A (Roger) Federer nunca le he visto hacer esas cosas', dijo Galimberti.

Bracciali complains about the fist-pumps and the title of Galimberti's article is:
GALIMBERTI CONDEMNS NADAL AND HIS MOTIVATION JUMPS.

See now who's the laughing-stock? It's you.



When you learn about tennis and writing you come back here newbie fanboy. Someone who cannot even articulate decent sentences can't dare to discuss about the sport in public. Go watch football, it's easier to understand.

Please inform me where that paragraph was inarticulate. Then, I'll direct you back to the second grade where they can teach you to understand what I'm writing, retard (sorry Metis, I had to!). Sadly, Glenn eludes another defeat by playing the retard and failing to read--and digest, let alone understand--what has been written.

"someone who cannot even articulate decent sentences" holy shit, that sounds like something I would have written...back in 8th grade, you damn child. You try so hard to write but fail so so miserably. Don't worry Glenn, keep reading and someday you'll be able to speak with us adults without falling three sentences behind the discussion.

lastly, OMG GALIMBERTI condemns NADAL's jumping!!!! THIS IS BREAKING NEWS EVERYONE. Who gives a shit. Grow up and acquire real ability in the realm of argument. Remember what I said about straw man arguments? That's right, you're guilty again.

P.S. You can wiki or google straw man if you don't understand what I'm talking about

GlennMirnyi
04-16-2007, 03:15 PM
Please inform me where that paragraph was inarticulate. Then, I'll direct you back to the second grade where they can teach you to understand what I'm writing, retard (sorry Metis, I had to! Sadly, Glenn eludes another defeat by playing the retard and failing to read what has been written.

"Defeat"? I bet your IQ doesn't surpass the number of winning volleys Nadal has per month (about 2/3), :silly:

Why don't you stop being a fanboy and discuss tennis? You only post to defend Nadal in every post.

trixtah
04-16-2007, 03:20 PM
"Defeat"? I bet your IQ doesn't surpass the number of winning volleys Nadal has per month (about 2/3), :silly:

Why don't you stop being a fanboy and discuss tennis? You only post to defend Nadal in every post.

Funny you should mention IQ. I'm fairly certain that you don't even know the origins of the IQ Test or it's implementation. Read up on it (again, google), come back, and try again. I give this post an F for Fail. You're improving though, maybe next time you'll get a D.

P.S. you still haven't looked up "straw man," apparently. It's okay though, please continue refuting only those parts of what I say that you understand, conveniently "forgetting" to take note of the rest.

Fail.

You want to talk about tennis? You're the hypocrite here. I suggest you go back a couple pages, read what I've written and what you've quoted not only from myself but from others, and give a proper rebuttal instead of a baseless opinion. Until then, I'm done with you. Owned, over and out.

explicit
04-16-2007, 03:24 PM
^^^ No, you only post to attack him.

I'm sure non of his fans is as half obsessed with him as you are.

trixtah
04-16-2007, 03:27 PM
^^^ No, you only post to attack him.

I'm sure non of his fans is as half obsessed with him as you are.

You obviously just joined the thread. I suggest you stay out of this unless you want to be put in your place, little boy. He's never refuted any actual statements I've proposed, thus, I have every right to expose this idiot for what he is until that time comes.

Rafa = Fed Killa
04-16-2007, 03:27 PM
Glenn doesn't like emotions.

Everyone in tennis should be a serve and volley robot :rolleyes:

GlennMirnyi
04-16-2007, 03:32 PM
Funny you should mention IQ. I'm fairly certain that you don't even know the origins of the IQ Test or it's implementation. Read up on it (again, google), come back, and try again. I give this post an F for Fail. You're improving though, maybe next time you'll get a D.

P.S. you still haven't looked up "straw man," apparently. It's okay though, please continue refuting only those parts of what I say that you understand, conveniently "forgetting" to take note of the rest.

Fail.

You want to talk about tennis? You're the hypocrite here. I suggest you go back a couple pages, read what I've written and what you've quoted not only from myself but from others, and give a proper rebuttal instead of a baseless opinion. Until then, I'm done with you. Owned, over and out.

You obviously just joined the thread. I suggest you stay out of this unless you want to be put in your place, little boy. He's never refuted any actual statements I've proposed, thus, I have every right to expose this idiot for what he is until that time comes.

"Put in your place"? Who do you think you are? You can't even raise a point (you raised any since you started with the ranting) and you think you are better than somebody? Get a clue. Your only point is "stop talking about Nadal, 'cause I'm his fanboy". :rolleyes:

I do that to piss off fanboys like you.

:sobbing: :tears: he's talking bad of Nadal :sad: :sobbing: :tears:


:haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:

trixtah
04-16-2007, 03:32 PM
Safin-Vliegen....O_O hmmmm I wish they had broadcasted the Safin match--the serve percentage was fluctuating wildly and I'd like to see how he's been playing. I saw the Vliegen match though...nothing special. Safin-Nadal imminent!? Tasty

@glenn
btw, it's "talking badly" not "talking bad." OOPS, failure at your own game.

GlennMirnyi
04-16-2007, 03:36 PM
I'm imitating you, fanboy.


Talk to my hand, newbie. I don't care a bit about what you post or think, nor does anybody in here. :dance: :dance: :banana:

trixtah
04-16-2007, 03:37 PM
I'm imitating you, fanboy.


Talk to my hand, newbie. I don't care a bit about what you post or think, nor does anybody in here. :dance: :dance: :banana:

by the amount of positive reps I'm getting by insulting you, I think I'll continue thank you very much. I'd much rather talk to your hand--it's obviously smarter than you are.

GlennMirnyi
04-16-2007, 03:42 PM
This message is hidden because trixtah is on your ignore list.

Wow, this forum just got so much more intelligent. :D :D :D

Grunge
04-16-2007, 03:45 PM
I have one question. How those guys on Livescore website know who is playing tomorow in MC? I cant find that info on MC website, because they probably upload schedule at evening hours. I need info if Djokovic is playing tomorow or on wednsday, so I can plan my day.
Tnx!

explicit
04-16-2007, 03:50 PM
You obviously just joined the thread. I suggest you stay out of this unless you want to be put in your place, little boy. He's never refuted any actual statements I've proposed, thus, I have every right to expose this idiot for what he is until that time comes.

I was not refering to your post. :rolleyes:

Ok, I'll quote next time, so there won't be any misunderstanding.

trixtah
04-16-2007, 03:52 PM
I have one question. How those guys on Livescore website know who is playing tomorow in MC? I cant find that info on MC website, because they probably upload schedule at evening hours. I need info if Djokovic is playing tomorow or on wednsday, so I can plan my day.
Tnx!

well, there's a schedule for order of play on the montecarlo website...looks like Djokovic isn't playing tomorrow so probably the following day?

my bad explicit, you're no longer a little boy :p since you're not in league with the moron of the forum, you've been promoted to full fledged man :)

Grunge
04-16-2007, 04:01 PM
well, there's a schedule for order of play on the montecarlo website...looks like Djokovic isn't playing tomorrow so probably the following day?


Sorry for stupid question, I was checking MC site for last few hours and there was no info about schedule of play for tomorow because my browser was reading MC page from cache all the time :rolleyes:

explicit
04-16-2007, 04:14 PM
my bad explicit, you're no longer a little boy :p since you're not in league with the moron of the forum, you've been promoted to full fledged man :)

:secret: I'm a girl. And I like Nadal.

And back to topic - it would be great to see him against Safin finally. :hearts:

bobito
04-16-2007, 04:32 PM
I also want to see them both =]

Johnny Groove
04-16-2007, 07:16 PM
Joker, try reading this:

From Bracciali:

Por otro lado, el toscano no dudó en criticar los habituales gestos de Rafa Nadal. "No me han gustado algunos gestos de Nadal y cuando conseguía el punto no debía mostrar el puño, no era correcto, a Federer no le he visto nunca hacer algo así", criticó.



Galimberti recrimina a Nadal sus saltos de motivación

Giorgio Galimberti, jugador italiano que esta tarde, con su compañero Daniele Bracciali, se adjudicaron el punto de dobles ante los españoles Feliciano López y Rafael Nadal, recriminó a éste los saltos y gestos de ánimo que suele hacer el mallorquín.

'Sus gestos también nos dan motivación a nosotros, pues nos han roto los huevos. Por eso, después nosotros también respondimos con gestos cuando ganábamos puntos. A (Roger) Federer nunca le he visto hacer esas cosas', dijo Galimberti.

Bracciali complains about the fist-pumps and the title of Galimberti's article is:
GALIMBERTI CONDEMNS NADAL AND HIS MOTIVATION JUMPS.

See now who's the laughing-stock? It's you.



When you learn about tennis and writing you come back here newbie fanboy. Someone who cannot even articulate decent sentences can't dare to discuss about the sport in public. Go watch football, it's easier to understand.

Who gives a fuck about bracciali and Galimberti? They're nobodies :rolleyes:

cmurray
04-16-2007, 07:34 PM
Oh dear. Glenn, you really must stop being so agreeable. You make it SO boring around here. :lol:

GlennMirnyi
04-16-2007, 07:35 PM
Who gives a fuck about bracciali and Galimberti? They're nobodies :rolleyes:

:rolleyes: fanboy. They are players as much as your moonballer. They are entitled to their opinions and they won the match in question.

Nobodies that can volley, it was no doubt they'd win.

Johnny Groove
04-16-2007, 07:41 PM
:rolleyes: fanboy. They are players as much as your moonballer. They are entitled to their opinions and they won the match in question.

Nobodies that can volley, it was no doubt they'd win.

Why do you put the volley on such a pedestal? OMFG!!!! VOLLLLEEYYY!!!! :worship: "X" player sucks because he can't volley :retard:

GlennMirnyi
04-16-2007, 07:43 PM
Why do you put the volley on such a pedestal? OMFG!!!! VOLLLLEEYYY!!!! :worship: "X" player sucks because he can't volley :retard:

Because moonballers without any kind of touch/talent/ability can't volley. That's beyond strenght and fitness.

Johnny Groove
04-16-2007, 07:48 PM
Because moonballers without any kind of touch/talent/ability can't volley. That's beyond strenght and fitness.

So the fuck what? :retard: Why is the volley such an important shot? Why have Mirnyi or Karlovic or Ancic or Ljubo not won as much as much as Nadal? Obviously, the volley isnt as an important a shot as you hype it up to be :rolleyes: