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Should the accuser of the 3 duke boys be punished?

Rafa = Fed Killa
04-13-2007, 02:59 AM
This lady ruined the lives of 3 college athletes. They had to go through hell.

Shouldn't there be a punishment for falsely accusing people of ****. The accused will have their names sullied and it shows how biased North American society has truly become.

False accusations should lead to prison so crazy people can't go around accusing random people.

Do you agree with me or should women be allowed to falsely accuse random men of ****** them. Feminists have ruined the world.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/LAW/04/12/duke.double.standard.ap/index.html?section=cnn_latest

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070412/ap_on_re_us/duke_lacrosse_70

Nearly a year after calling the **** accusations he and two Duke lacrosse teammates faced nothing but "fantastic lies"

Johnny Groove
04-13-2007, 03:02 AM
I think she should face some type of punishment for falsely accusing the boys of ****. If not, then it can send the message that all women can go around accusing men of **** and have the innocent men's reputation tarnished for life.

Rafa = Fed Killa
04-13-2007, 03:05 AM
I think she should face some type of punishment for falsely accusing the boys of ****. If not, then it can send the message that all women can go around accusing men of **** and have the innocent men's reputation tarnished for life.

In current society it appears men are unimportant. As long as a woman's rights are not violated :rolleyes:

A man's rights who cares :rolleyes:

Johnny Groove
04-13-2007, 03:07 AM
In current society it appears men are unimportant. As long as a womans rights are not violated :rolleyes:

Mens rights who cares :rolleyes:

And then the feminists will say that men ruled for centuries, now its their turn :rolleyes:

GlennMirnyi
04-13-2007, 03:46 AM
In current society it appears men are unimportant. As long as a womans rights are not violated :rolleyes:

Mens rights who cares :rolleyes:

Womans rights... your English is as good as your idol's. :haha:

Quit the sexism. She has done something wrong, but you can't expand that to every woman in the world.

Rafa = Fed Killa
04-13-2007, 04:53 AM
Quit the sexism. She has done something wrong, but you can't expand that to every woman in the world.

She made a mistake and ruined three lives.

Guess there would be a punishment if a guy ruined the lives of 3 women. Oh well, that seems fair :cuckoo:

R.Federer
04-13-2007, 04:56 AM
Well, from what I read of the news reports, her story was only found to be inconsistent. That does not mean outright that there is no truth. It means that the lies outweigh the truth.

You may or may not know that it is extremely difficult to prosecute on **** charges because consent is based on he says, she says. By punishing this woman, it will also send out the message to actually ***** women that without solid evidence they dare not even pursue a charge because they may be punished themselves.

MisterQ
04-13-2007, 06:21 AM
This lady ruined the lives of 3 college athletes. They had to go through hell.

Shouldn't there be a punishment for falsely accusing people of ****. The accused will have their names sullied and it shows how biased North American society has truly become.

False accusations should lead to prison so crazy people can't go around accusing random people.

Do you agree with me or should women be allowed to falsely accuse random men of ****** them. Feminists have ruined the world.


I agree that it's absolutely despicable to make false accusations like this. But feminists have little to do with this --- only the most utterly radical fringe of feminists would even consider condoning intentionally false accusations.

Castafiore
04-13-2007, 07:29 AM
False accusations should lead to prison so crazy people can't go around accusing random people.
If proven that it's indeed a false acussation, than yes, there should be some sort of punishment.

From an article from The Guardian (2004):
Few like to look at them, but the statistics on **** convictions are unbearably bleak: reported **** has trebled in the past decade; less than 6% of reported rapes result in a conviction; less than 20% of rapes are reported to the police. There is more ****, and it is easier to get away with.
Before you start writing nonsense like:
In current society it appears men are unimportant. As long as a woman's rights are not violated. A man's rights who cares

6% of reported cases (UK statistics) result in a conviction and you're claiming that a woman's rights take priority over a man's rights?
Yeah, right.

http://www.cer.truthaboutrape.co.uk/3.html
http://politics.guardian.co.uk/women/story/0,,1311939,00.html


You're right to be angry about a false accusation since it can ruin a life but don't talk about "men are unimportant in current society" without at least trying to get a full picture on **** issues.

buddyholly
04-13-2007, 01:13 PM
Well, from what I read of the news reports, her story was only found to be inconsistent. That does not mean outright that there is no truth. It means that the lies outweigh the truth.



Didn't you watch the press conference, when the DA said that the accused were totally innocent and that there was NO truth in the accuser's story? This does mean outright that there is no truth.
However, it appears that the accuser is mentally ill.
The real criminal here is Niphong, who continued with his prosecution long after the truth was known. It is now clear he did this just to get votes in the black community. He should be disbarred and hopefully found responsible in a civil case, of deliberately ruining the lives of the falsely accused.
As for the 80 or so professors at Duke who rushed to sign a letter condemning the lacrosse team, they probably have tenure, and can't be touched - too bad!

cmurray
04-13-2007, 01:21 PM
You may or may not know that it is extremely difficult to prosecute on **** charges because consent is based on he says, she says. By punishing this woman, it will also send out the message to actually ***** women that without solid evidence they dare not even pursue a charge because they may be punished themselves.

And I say that this woman should not get a "free pass" simply because it might frighten other **** victims. Falsely accusing somebody of a crime, knowing that it may result in prison time is NOT acceptable.

Jim Jones
04-13-2007, 02:00 PM
Lawsuit

In January 2007, former Duke lacrosse team member Kyle Dowd filed a lawsuit against Duke University and visiting associate professor Kim Curtis.[167] In his lawsuit, Dowd claims that he and another teammate were given failing grades on their final paper by Professor Curtis "as a form of retaliation after the Duke Lacrosse scandal broke".[168] Professor Curtis was among the "Group of 88" who published an advertisement in the Duke Chronicle supporting the accuser. According to the press report, Dowd had been receiving passing grades until the scandal, but received an "F" for his last paper and participation, leading to a final "F" grade. After graduation, his grade was adjusted upwards to a "D" with the administration citing a "calculation error". The lawsuit seeks for the grade to be changed to a "P" for pass and seeks $60,000 in damages.[167]

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zicofirol
04-13-2007, 02:14 PM
yes she should but more importantly the prosecutor who went after this case with zeal, when there was little evidence, shows he just did it to get a name for himself. That guy should be hanged for being a scum to humanity, nothing worse than someone in that powerful of a position ruin the lives of 3 students for his own benefit. The evidence was stacked against the whore that accused them that it was ridiculous, on guy had atm receipts showing that he was not at the scene of the crime when this happen yet the scumbag of a prosecutor went on, like I said, proper punishment should be hanging but suing his ass would also work, and fire him of course.

zicofirol
04-13-2007, 02:23 PM
I forgot to add, where is the formal apology from the all mighty reverend sharpton, this is the second **** case he comes out and supports the "victim" where it turns out the victim was lying, in the first case it was proven he knew very well the "victim" was lying, I am sure he knew this time also, so when gets off Imus' case I am sure we can expect him to apologize right?

Kitty de Sade
04-13-2007, 02:38 PM
And I say that this woman should not get a "free pass" simply because it might frighten other **** victims. Falsely accusing somebody of a crime, knowing that it may result in prison time is NOT acceptable.

Very well said. Personal accountability is in order here. If you lie, you must own up to it and face the consequences.

its.like.that
04-13-2007, 02:43 PM
I think she should be sentenced to 15 counts of **** as her punishment.

guille&tati4life
04-13-2007, 05:43 PM
If it is proved that people have falsely accused people of ****, action is taken against them.

BTW, i don't know the story of this case, but of course such action shouldn't be taken if the person is mentally ill and this is perhaps why it is not being taken.

buddyholly
04-13-2007, 06:16 PM
If it is proved that people have falsely accused people of ****, action is taken against them.

BTW, i don't know the story of this case, but of course such action shouldn't be taken if the person is mentally ill and this is perhaps why it is not being taken.

She has done similar things before. Her story started changing within days after the accusations. It seems the prosecutor was the only person in the world not to know that there was no case. However he kept the case open until after his re-election, with the help of the black vote. He kept this up even after it was made public that the DNA test of the semen sample taken from her was actually that of a boyfriend with whom she had had sex, before going to the party as a hired exotic dancer.

I just heard on TV that one of the 88 Duke professors that signed the letter condemning the accused, before any trial was even arranged, says he is delighted the boys are innocent, but thinks the letter served its purpose of opening a dialogue. He did not apologise to the students whose lives were ruined, or explain how the dialogue benefitted them.

buddyholly
04-13-2007, 06:25 PM
I forgot to add, where is the formal apology from the all mighty reverend sharpton, this is the second **** case he comes out and supports the "victim" where it turns out the victim was lying, in the first case it was proven he knew very well the "victim" was lying, I am sure he knew this time also, so when gets off Imus' case I am sure we can expect him to apologize right?

You will have to wait. Al is going to be busy going after the racist lyrics of rap songs.
However Al is not going after the actual artists who write and sing(?) these lyrics, but rather the white guys that market the CDs.
But of course.

Rafa = Fed Killa
04-13-2007, 08:04 PM
Originally Posted by zicofirol
I forgot to add, where is the formal apology from the all mighty reverend sharpton, this is the second **** case he comes out and supports the "victim" where it turns out the victim was lying, in the first case it was proven he knew very well the "victim" was lying, I am sure he knew this time also, so when gets off Imus' case I am sure we can expect him to apologize right?

Got me. He should give a formal apology.
He convicted the 3 boys before the facts were even in.

R.Federer
04-13-2007, 09:07 PM
Didn't you watch the press conference, when the DA said that the accused were totally innocent and that there was NO truth in the accuser's story? This does mean outright that there is no truth.
As for the 80 or so professors at Duke who rushed to sign a letter condemning the lacrosse team, they probably have tenure, and can't be touched - too bad!

No, I did not see the press conference. As I said I only read the news report. Well if she can be found guilty of false accusation, the Duke guys will succeed in their case against her (at least one guy is filing I heard). She can/probably will claim mental defect in not being able to distinguish **** from who knows what else.

However, I don't think the DA's words are relevant here, and his saying it is the "truth" does not make it so. It is The Truth only in the same way that William Kennedy Smith was "not guilty" of ****** the woman in Palm Beach. And, OJ was "not guilty" or murdering his wife and her boyfriend.

These are the findings of a person, or of several persons. Nobody really knows what happened in that frat house, or in Palm Beach, or in Brentwood. The DA, a jury, or a judge can go blue in the face saying what their findings are, but it does not amount to its being the truth necessarily.

R.Federer
04-13-2007, 09:52 PM
As for the 80 or so professors at Duke who rushed to sign a letter condemning the lacrosse team, they probably have tenure, and can't be touched - too bad!

Tenure is not a free pass. There are reasons you can be fired with tenure. But regardless of that, on what grounds could the 88 be touched anyway? There is no slander (no explicit accusation, or judgement), these are opinions, and there is no violation of the students' rights either.

buddyholly
04-14-2007, 02:44 AM
Nobody really knows what happened in that frat house,

Duh! Everyone who was there knows.
But anyway, two of the accused probably don't know. At the time of the alleged crime one of the accused was filmed making a withdrawal at an ATM machine and another used his credit card in a restaurant. Niphong just ignored this as not relevant.

And you can bet that if the alleged **** had taken place at a Socialist club party, instead of a jock party, there would have been no letter from 88 professors demanding closing of the club and suspension of the students.

Not to mention that the lacrosse coach was fired from the beginning, before any evidence was even collected.

Winston's Human
04-14-2007, 04:47 AM
Nobody really knows what happened in that frat house.

Here is what we do know:

1. Everytime the complainant talked to law enforcement about what happened her story changed in material ways, including variations on the number of attackers and the alleged conduct by each attacker.
2. Despite the complainant's description of a three-on-one anal-oral-vaginal sexual assault, not one iota of DNA from any of the Lacrosse players was found in her or on her person.
3. Despite the complainant's description of a three-on-one anal-oral-vaginal sexual assault, not one iota of DNA from the complainant was found in the bathroom where this sexual assault supposedly occurred.
4. The sexual assault examination was performed on the complainant the night the sexual assault supposedly occurred; thus, there was no intervening act such as showering which would remove DNA.
5. The sexual assault examination revealed DNA from prior sexual encounters which, again, shows that no intervening act occurred which would have removed DNA from this supposed assault.
6. The lineup used to identify the supposed attackers violated established guidelines for photographic lineups in numerous ways, including a lack of fillers and repeated showings of the same suspects after the complainant had not been able to identify them.
7. The prosecutor engaged in a conspiracy to withhold critical exculpatory evidence.
8. Two defendants had alibi evidence showing that they were not even at the house when the complainant originally alleged that the sexual assault occurred.
9. The complainant's revised timeline conflicted with her own cellular telephone records and the statements of the other stripper and the neighbor.
10. The complainant has a history of mental illness and of making false assault allegations -- one against her former husband and one against three men ten years earlier.

The evidence shows that nothing happened except the delusions of a mentally unstable woman aided by an unethical prosecutor and a wishful media.

R.Federer
04-14-2007, 05:15 AM
Duh! Everyone who was there knows.

;)
I wonder.... I thought she/they were all drunk beyond belief and could not distinguish fact from reality.

I do not want to defend her or the other side. But I do think that there is a potentially problematic precedent if they are able to successfully sue her for her false accusations based on her not being able to bring evidence to her charges. There do exist non-violent rapes by acquaintances where evidence does not exist, but where victims still press forward for closure. If she truly has falsely accused them of all charges (not just ****), she does bear responsibility, but the bigger responsibilitly lies with the zealot (prosecutor).

Yes, this situation probably would not have arisen if it had not involved a group of white frat boys, but this double standard is implicit par for the course since crimes by African-Americans against whites in the U.S. are also treated in the public court in a manner quite disparate from crimes by Af-Americans against members of their own community.

buddyholly
04-14-2007, 12:44 PM
;)
I wonder.... I thought she/they were all drunk beyond belief and could not distinguish fact from reality.



I don't think this is true.

Anyway, maybe we can bring closure to this case by concluding that the accuser was just a rough looking ''nappy headed ho'' with a tattoo and no credibility.

Rafa = Fed Killa
04-14-2007, 02:55 PM
I don't think this is true.

Anyway, maybe we can bring closure to this case by concluding that the accuser was just a rough looking ''nappy headed ho'' with a tattoo and no credibility.

:worship:

So true.