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Nadal can't play Davis cup but can play an exhibition - Faking or true?

danton
04-11-2007, 10:56 PM
This is not a haters thread so please be nice - No bitching between Fed fans and Rafa fans it's getting boring.

Seriously - Those of you who have had sporting injury's, the spanish members of MTF what do you think?

Was Nadal really too injured to play Davis cup and then ok four days later to play claycourt exhibition:confused:

Personally when I have been injured it wouldn't have been possible even with a slight injury to play for 2-3 hours hard sport four days later. Maybe it's different for athletes and they do have access to technology, drugs etc. Or am I being cynical with it being an exhibition match?

What do you think?

kobulingam
04-11-2007, 10:58 PM
Simple answer: He isn't (seriously) injured.

Byrd
04-11-2007, 10:59 PM
Its obviously an injury, Nadal isn't the lying type is he :rolleyes:

scoobs
04-11-2007, 11:01 PM
My own view, as a fan of Rafa, is that if he's got to protect his foot, which has been bothering him off and on for a while, and this means he pulls out of the Davis Cup tie, then he shouldn't be playing exhibitions 3 or 4 days later - even if it is on clay in his home town.

If he needs to protect his foot, he needs to protect it. If he doesn't, he doesn't.

This just makes him look like he backed out of DC and allowed Spain to take a pounding in Winston-Salem so he could come back home and play an exo in Mallorca. I think it makes him look bad - I can't say that I'm very impressed. But then, he can do what he wants - he doesn't have to impress me or anyone else.

scarecrows
04-11-2007, 11:04 PM
Playing in a best of 5 Davis Cup match is not the same effort as playing an exhibition match, of course

his injury was very doubtful when he decided not to play DC while was still playing Miami

but it's his life/career and he can do whatever he wants, even invent an injury for having an excuse to skip DC before an important (for him) clay court season

Sunset of Age
04-11-2007, 11:07 PM
My own view, as a fan of Rafa, is that if he's got to protect his foot, which has been bothering him off and on for a while, and this means he pulls out of the Davis Cup tie, then he shouldn't be playing exhibitions 3 or 4 days later - even if it is on clay in his home town.

If he needs to protect his foot, he needs to protect it. If he doesn't, he doesn't.

This just makes him look like he backed out of DC and allowed Spain to take a pounding in Winston-Salem so he could come back home and play an exo in Mallorca. I think it makes him look bad - I can't say that I'm very impressed. But then, he can do what he wants - he doesn't have to impress me or anyone else.

My thoughts exactly. But then I've never buyed that whole 'patriotic' image - top players, like Raf and Fed, make their OWN decisions on where and what to play. They simply have the power to do so. If he rather choses to entertain his home crowd in Mallorca, well... that's fine with me.

(Doesn't it sound a bit weird in the first place, an exhibition on clay in Mallorca, with two Mallorcans in the final? My guess is that that outcome might well have been agreed on right from the start - and thus, perhaps Raf didn't have to work as hard as he usually does... ;))

Sofyaxo
04-11-2007, 11:07 PM
Even the commentators during Miami were joking about Nadal having a scheduled injury.

It's not a secret that he just wanted to get ready for clay season.

scoobs
04-11-2007, 11:11 PM
Having said all what I said already, there's no doubt that Rafa feels that hardcourts aggravate and exacerbate the problems he has with the foot - because of course when you change direction on a hardcourt your foot "digs in" to the court much more than on the more slippery clay. The hardcourt is harder on the feet than clay and so I can see why he would want to get off the hard and get ready for the next several months on clay then grass. Just the timing of the exo looks bad given the DC tie is barely over.

danton
04-11-2007, 11:12 PM
I got the poll question wrong - it should have been do you think it's acceptable for Nadal to fake an injury to get out of playing for his country?

My answer would be no - if you don't want to play Davis cup - make it clear that you are not up for selection for the foreseeable future. That way to the team can get on without you and not have to scramble a plan last minute because you let them down. It also lets that fans down who might have paid to come and see you.

LK_22
04-11-2007, 11:12 PM
When your injured you should rest and treat the injury for however long neccesary. Playing an exhibition could only aggervate it further and if he's really feeling any pain, he shouldn't/wouldn't be able to play without risking it further and if he can play on it then he should be playing Davis Cup!
With any injury there really isn't much middle ground, a week of this week from playing and just practising would have helped any wear and tear
I'm sure he will be fine for Monte Carlo next week...

cmurray
04-11-2007, 11:14 PM
Hard to say....I hate speculating about this kind of stuff because we rarely if ever have the full story. Maybe the hardcourts were bothering his foot but clay wasn't...or maybe he just didn't want to get "tired" for the claycourt season which is, of course, his bread and butter.


My best guess on the matter is that he was fearful of injury. If he says there was a "pain" in his foot, there probably was a little twinge. Given how injury prone he is, he probably didn't want to risk giving up the clay season to play in a Davis cup tie.

Which, if true, means that his reason isn't as altruistic as he made it out to be. In no way do I believe that Spain was better off without him and I don't think he believes it either. But at the same time, I don't think the injury was made up. Basically, I think he was being precautionary.

scoobs
04-11-2007, 11:17 PM
I don't think Nadal has "faked" anything - I think, as cmuzza says, he is just taking precautions - he has felt pains in his foot playing on hard, and he doesn't want to risk further pain or worse injury with the almost ridiculously crucial part of the season to come - he has to defend about 80% of his points in this spell in Europe from Monte Carlo to the end of Wimbledon. He cannot afford to be careless and get injured.

scoobs
04-11-2007, 11:18 PM
Still - it's worth noting that Nadal has failed to play any DC at all this year.

adee-gee
04-11-2007, 11:18 PM
I got the poll question wrong - it should have been do you think it's acceptable for Nadal to fake an injury to get out of playing for his country?
Thanks, it's nice that Rafa's doctor is here on MTF :)

Is Rafa having any other injury concerns at the moment?

danton
04-11-2007, 11:20 PM
Thanks, it's nice that Rafa's doctor is here on MTF :)

Is Rafa having any other injury concerns at the moment?

I was going on results of the poll - 100% think he faked. I haven't got much of a debate going at the mo it's a landslide.

adee-gee
04-11-2007, 11:22 PM
I was going on results of the poll - 100% think he faked. I haven't got much of a debate going at the mo it's a landslide.
:lol: MTF - a clear indication of the facts.

So can we also assume that Safin is the best player in the world? :rocker2:

Sunset of Age
04-11-2007, 11:25 PM
I was going on results of the poll - 100% think he faked. I haven't got much of a debate going at the mo it's a landslide.

Well, using the word 'faked' is why I feel a little double at having voted for that option - I think the term is too harsh. Like others have already said, he was being precautious, avoiding a possible injury, so it's not really 'fake'.

He's had plenty of trouble with his foot while playing hardcourt in the past, so it's quite understandable.

danton
04-11-2007, 11:29 PM
:lol: MTF - a clear indication of the facts.

So can we also assume that Safin is the best player in the world? :rocker2:

If you mean player when it comes to women - then yes definately.

scarecrows
04-11-2007, 11:35 PM
So can we also assume that Safin is the best player in the world? :rocker2:

yes

and the most unlucky too

adee-gee
04-11-2007, 11:39 PM
yes

and the most unlucky too
And that Roddick eats babies :(

Neely
04-11-2007, 11:50 PM
Well, it's nothing life threatening if he can play again, but we knew that already because he announced his decision right after Miami and because he didn't have to retire from his last match there. But okay, if you play a small fun exhibition with -basically- joke points, it is still something very different than making a full commitment where you have to be 100% about your health if it goes the distance and where, in the interest of your country, no half things are allowed. If he doesn't feel like running a lot, playing at all or lunging after a shot in the exhibition, nobody cares. And... not that it was the only reason, but the tie being played on grass and thus the needed transformation from hardcourt to grass to clay, probably made the decision easier for him.

scoobs
04-11-2007, 11:57 PM
The tie was on hard.

sodman12
04-12-2007, 12:45 AM
This thread is stupid. He didnt play DC since it would make him change surfaces in a small amount of time. for rafa that usually equals injury. So he decided to make the switch sooner. END of story

Gulliver
04-12-2007, 12:55 AM
I just can't respect this man. He's a hypocrite and a liar.

Shanghai 2005, turns up, sees it's a fast hard court and pulls out without playing. Why turn up at all if he's that injured?

DC v Switzerland, turns up, sees it's a fast hard court, gets an "injury" and pulls out with hardly any notice, thus dumping on Verdasco.

Announces in Miami that he won't play DC, (on a fast hard court again), is carrying an injury, but continues to play with some BS about he couldn't play "100%".

Takes off home and is now going to play a second, or is it third? match.

He's got the worst record for "injuries" of all the top players, and 99% of them are to get out of a match he doesn't want to play or might lose, or because he lost. What a charlatan.

Clara Bow
04-12-2007, 01:08 AM
I do think he should have played DC. That stated, I do think that he does have chronic foot problems that do get exacerbated on hard court. Uncle Toni earlier this year said that hard courts can exacerbate the problem and they will have to watch hc play. And I don't think they are lying about that. But they could have and should have handled the DC ties better, imo.

As others have said though- please keep in mind that clay is less harmful to the footies.

Shanghai 2005, turns up, sees it's a fast hard court and pulls out without playing. Why turn up at all if he's that injured?

I don't think this has anything to do with the issue at hand. Because if you recall- he was out with injury for months after Shanghai- missing the Aussie Open. It was shortly after Shanghai that he got his insoles, etc.

MarieS
04-12-2007, 01:11 AM
So can we also assume that Safin is the best player in the world? :rocker2:

Adam! You already knew that, you don't need MTF to tell you :rolleyes:.

oschemi
04-12-2007, 01:47 AM
I just can't respect this man. He's a hypocrite and a liar.

Shanghai 2005, turns up, sees it's a fast hard court and pulls out without playing. Why turn up at all if he's that injured?

DC v Switzerland, turns up, sees it's a fast hard court, gets an "injury" and pulls out with hardly any notice, thus dumping on Verdasco.

Announces in Miami that he won't play DC, (on a fast hard court again), is carrying an injury, but continues to play with some BS about he couldn't play "100%".


Takes off home and is now going to play a second, or is it third? match.

He's got the worst record for "injuries" of all the top players, and 99% of them are to get out of a match he doesn't want to play or might lose, or because he lost. What a charlatan.

He does not give a damn what you think and he does not owe any of you an explanation for the decision he made not to play DC. He felt it was in his best interests.
VAMOS RAFA

Burrow
04-12-2007, 01:49 AM
Nadal faking an injury? oh of course not!!!








Of course he is faking.

Johnny Groove
04-12-2007, 01:56 AM
AND THE CLAY TROLL SEASON BEGINS :rocker2:

Still - it's worth noting that Nadal has failed to play any DC at all this year.

Since the start of 2004, Nadal has played every DC tie of Spain barring 3. This one, the one after the AO, when the surface killed off half the players, and in 06 1st round, when nadal was still recovering from the same foot injury that kept him out for 4 MONTHS.

Seriously thinking that Nadal considers an exho against Fat Dave to be more important that DC is ridiculous.

Johnny Groove
04-12-2007, 01:57 AM
This is not a haters thread so please be nice - No bitching between Fed fans and Rafa fans it's getting boring.

When you start a thread asking if Nadal faked an injury, what do you expect to occur? Polite disagreement and a tea party? :rolleyes:

scoobs
04-12-2007, 01:58 AM
When you start a thread asking if Nadal faked an injury, what do you expect to occur? Polite disagreement and a tea party? :rolleyes:
That would have been fun.

Earl Grey, anyone? Lapsang Souchong?

Lee
04-12-2007, 02:01 AM
That would have been fun.

Earl Grey, anyone? Lapsang Souchong?

decaf only , please.

Lee
04-12-2007, 02:04 AM
:lol: MTF - a clear indication of the facts.

So can we also assume that Safin is the best player in the world? :rocker2:

That's a fact in MTF, no need to assume. :scratch:

GlennMirnyi
04-12-2007, 02:11 AM
A big coward, that's what he is, but... we already knew it, didn't we? ;)

bigbhoy
04-12-2007, 03:04 AM
A big coward, that's what he is, but... we already knew it, didn't we? ;)

Yep I'm getting real sick of him posting on an internet forum everyday running people down & shit talking at every turn.....Real coward he is! :rolleyes:

Oh wait, my bad, that's you! How could I get that wrong! ;)

GlennMirnyi
04-12-2007, 04:10 AM
Yep I'm getting real sick of him posting on an internet forum everyday running people down & shit talking at every turn.....Real coward he is! :rolleyes:

Oh wait, my bad, that's you! How could I get that wrong! ;)

Aren't you in jail already racist joker?

Next time you see my posts, don't read them. It's too much for your two braincells. :wavey:

alfonsojose
04-12-2007, 04:18 AM
Nadal is just another money whore. It's like JesusFed last year playing at Tokyo knowing Madrid, Basel and Paris were on the line. Paris is an AMS and he hasn't played there for years. Wait. He cared more about Japanese fans .. and a little money from them :zzz:

FedFan_2007
04-12-2007, 05:10 AM
Nadal is just another money whore. It's like JesusFed last year playing at Tokyo knowing Madrid, Basel and Paris were on the line. Paris is an AMS and he hasn't played there for years. Wait. He cared more about Japanese fans .. and a little money from them :zzz:

BS. Fed was there to promote tennis in Japan which is a huge market. Also Fed always wanted to visit and experience Japanese culture. Heck, I'd want to to someday. Japan is a beautiful country.

MarieS
04-12-2007, 05:18 AM
BS. Fed was there to promote tennis in Japan which is a huge market. Also Fed always wanted to visit and experience Japanese culture. Heck, I'd want to to someday. Japan is a beautiful country.

Hook, line and a sinker.

GlennMirnyi
04-12-2007, 05:19 AM
Yeah, that was classic fishing. Fonsie pulled a GlennMirnyi there. :lol:

W!MBLEDON
04-12-2007, 05:24 AM
I dunno... if Moya destroys him then that tells us he's still feeling the after-effects of his injury. Beating Fat Dave isn't that hard nowadays. :shrug:

MarieS
04-12-2007, 05:26 AM
Yeah, that was classic fishing. Fonsie pulled a GlennMirnyi there. :lol:

:lol: :yeah:

GustavoM_Fan
04-12-2007, 06:15 AM
Nadal played this exhibition last 3 years....
He loves to play in his home islands.........Its not a normal exhibition for him...

Bobby
04-12-2007, 07:14 AM
Nadal is just another money whore. It's like JesusFed last year playing at Tokyo knowing Madrid, Basel and Paris were on the line. Paris is an AMS and he hasn't played there for years. Wait. He cared more about Japanese fans .. and a little money from them :zzz:

I do have to agree with you. It does sound a bit strange to fly to Japan, play a tournament and fly back to Europe. And then withdraw from Paris because of some minor injury or exhaustion. There has to be a very good start money for Federer in Japan...

TheHawk
04-12-2007, 08:57 AM
Playing in a best of 5 Davis Cup match is not the same effort as playing an exhibition match, of course
Exactly. Also it would be stupid to play Davis Cup, 2/3 best-of-5 matches in just a weekend, ahead of such a tough clay court season.

Dougie
04-12-2007, 09:11 AM
Playing in a best of 5 Davis Cup match is not the same effort as playing an exhibition match, of course



Of course not, but if he really was injured he should have just rested. Refusing to represent your country but playing an exhibition is just stupid, considering the public reaction.

oz_boz
04-12-2007, 09:14 AM
He simply could have said "I will not risk an injury" instead of "I'm injured". Compare to Fed's and Hewitt's reasons for pulling out last year.

Agassi Aces
04-12-2007, 09:18 AM
He shouldn't have played the exhibiton- makes him look like a loser for missing Davis Cup now!!!

RonE
04-12-2007, 09:43 AM
I do have to agree with you. It does sound a bit strange to fly to Japan, play a tournament and fly back to Europe. And then withdraw from Paris because of some minor injury or exhaustion. There has to be a very good start money for Federer in Japan...

Mind you, he did play and he won both Madrid and Basel afterwards. IMO had he not played Japan but won Madrid and Basel back to back he would have withdrawn from Paris anyway to rest and prepare for the TMC

Shanghai>Paris.

Sunset of Age
04-12-2007, 11:53 AM
He simply could have said "I will not risk an injury" instead of "I'm injured". Compare to Fed's and Hewitt's reasons for pulling out last year.

That's true, and I wish he would have said that indeed.
Which makes me think whether him being not all that fluent in English, in combination with poor translating journalists, may also have to do with him coming across as a mite clumsy for this matter. It's not the first time he's being misunderstood or misinterpreted.

Anyway - it's his decision to make and nobody else's. We don't really know what's going on, we can only make suspicions on the little information we get.

nobama
04-12-2007, 12:34 PM
I do have to agree with you. It does sound a bit strange to fly to Japan, play a tournament and fly back to Europe. And then withdraw from Paris because of some minor injury or exhaustion. There has to be a very good start money for Federer in Japan...So winning Madrid and Basel have nothing to do with him pulling out of Paris? Only flying to Japan does? :confused:

scarecrows
04-12-2007, 12:38 PM
Of course not, but if he really was injured he should have just rested. Refusing to represent your country but playing an exhibition is just stupid, considering the public reaction.

exhibition=training

he didnt pull out of DC saying he'd not train at all


shit, I cant believe I'm defending Nadal :lol:

Bobby
04-12-2007, 01:04 PM
So winning Madrid and Basel have nothing to do with him pulling out of Paris? Only flying to Japan does? :confused:

Sure they do, he must have been very tired. But if he knows that he has a bunch of tough tournaments (Basel, Madrid, Paris, TMC) ahead of him, why would he bother travelling to Japan before them? Because the probably pay him shitloads of money.

I find it annoying that so many top players skip Paris, it is a Masters tournament after all and they should participate.

Bobby
04-12-2007, 01:18 PM
Mind you, he did play and he won both Madrid and Basel afterwards. IMO had he not played Japan but won Madrid and Basel back to back he would have withdrawn from Paris anyway to rest and prepare for the TMC

Shanghai>Paris.

You may be right. It's just that Paris is one of the tournaments he really should play.

I might be wrong but I just think that Japan is a very profitable tournament for Federer. And it's not entirely wrong to play where the money is. I might do the same thing if I was a professional tennis player. I just don't like fact that some players obviously value tournaments such as Dubai and Tokyo more than Davis Cup and some of the masters series tournaments. Federer for example is ready to travel across the globe to Dubai or Tokyo, but when it's time to play Paris or Davis Cup he suddenly feels tired or has some minor injury. To me, that doesn't feel right.

adee-gee
04-12-2007, 01:34 PM
Shanghai 2005, turns up, sees it's a fast hard court and pulls out without playing. Why turn up at all if he's that injured?
Great post, you really know your stuff :yeah:

alfonsojose
04-12-2007, 01:55 PM
BS. Fed was there to promote tennis in Japan which is a huge market. Also Fed always wanted to visit and experience Japanese culture. Heck, I'd want to to someday. Japan is a beautiful country.
If that's true then ATP managment sucks. We care about Tokyo fans and tennis and don't give a shit about France fans, where RG, Marseille, Lyon, Metz are played. And let's forget about France tennis tradition :rolleyes:

Dougie
04-12-2007, 03:00 PM
exhibition=training

he didnt pull out of DC saying he'd not train at all


shit, I cant believe I'm defending Nadal :lol:

Of course exhibitions are about training, in a way. Problem is, that exhibitions are public events. He could have trained all he wanted by himself, but playing a public event like an exhibition match makes his excuse for missing DC look ridicilous. And a pro like Nadal should know better that that.

Dougie
04-12-2007, 03:11 PM
BS. Fed was there to promote tennis in Japan which is a huge market. Also Fed always wanted to visit and experience Japanese culture. Heck, I'd want to to someday. Japan is a beautiful country.

:lol: I´m not saying Fed´s trip to Japan was all about money, but it sure had nothing to do with japanese culture.

Clara Bow
04-12-2007, 03:24 PM
He simply could have said "I will not risk an injury" instead of "I'm injured". Compare to Fed's and Hewitt's reasons for pulling out last year.

I agree- that is basically what it comes down to. He does have a chronic foot problem, this has been talked about at length by Toni and in some of the Spanish press. Hard courts do increase the liklihood of causing greater injury. Sanchez remarked in an article that I think was from one of the Florida papers a week or so ago that they were worried that the unfamiliar surface of the DC (meaning they literally had not played on it) could cause problems as his foot is more prone to injury on hard court, and if they were not familiar with the surface they were fearful that it could be quite bad for his foot and yadda yadda yadda- it would be best if Nadal did not play.

If they had phrased it more along the lines of- I have a chronic foot problem that is more prone to injury, a lot of play on hard can turn it into something worse, considering that the DC will be best of 5 played on an unfamiliar surface right before the clay season, the risk of injury is too great at this juncture. Of course folks would have still bitched- but he would have laid it all out there part and parcel.

nobama
04-12-2007, 04:50 PM
If that's true then ATP managment sucks. We care about Tokyo fans and tennis and don't give a shit about France fans, where RG, Marseille, Lyon, Metz are played. And let's forget about France tennis tradition :rolleyes:What does one have to do with the other? Had Fed lost early in Madrid or Basel he most likely would have played Paris. He certainly didn't skip Paris because he felt Tokyo fans were/are more important.

scarecrows
04-12-2007, 07:52 PM
Of course exhibitions are about training, in a way. Problem is, that exhibitions are public events. He could have trained all he wanted by himself, but playing a public event like an exhibition match makes his excuse for missing DC look ridicilous. And a pro like Nadal should know better that that.

you are right on this one

Nadal is a sneaky loser and will always be





oh, I feel better now :D

Johnny Groove
04-12-2007, 08:56 PM
exhibition=training

he didnt pull out of DC saying he'd not train at all


shit, I cant believe I'm defending Nadal :lol:

Coming over to the dark side :lol:

But really, its not that big a deal. Nadal didnt want to take the chance on an indoor court that could possibly hurt his foot which has had some injury past to it. He knows what type of game he plays and playing it on that indoor court in north carolina would not have been good for it.

And the exho like scarecrows said is basically just training.

Jlee
04-12-2007, 09:01 PM
At the very least, playing the exo this close after DC just makes him look worse than he did before.

explicit
04-12-2007, 09:22 PM
It would have been much better if he'd just said he didn't want to risk an injury and not that he was injured while still playing a tournament. His decision was ok, but his excuse was stupid.

But, then again, who cares? :)

Duncan
04-12-2007, 11:11 PM
Rafa boobed by playing in the exhibition. Silly boy. But it's his choice! Would it have made a difference had he played in Davis Cup? Probably not!

Il Primo Uomo
04-13-2007, 12:14 AM
Nadal schedulded his injury like two/three weeks ago.
There ain't anything with not playing the DC, I totally respect his choice. But tell him not to think we're more brainless than he is himself!
It's fucking pretty clear he wasn't injuried and that he made up this shit.

Johnny Groove
04-13-2007, 01:45 AM
Nadal schedulded his injury like two/three weeks ago.
There ain't anything with not playing the DC, I totally respect his choice. But tell him not to think we're more brainless than he is himself!
It's fucking pretty clear he wasn't injuried and that he made up this shit.

You do realize how stupid you sound, right?

RickDaStick
04-13-2007, 01:49 AM
Gone are the days when guys would play DC not matter how bad their injury was. Now guys are skipping DC for exhibitions. Pathetic Rafa. Atleast do something better with your time like take an english class.

Johnny Groove
04-13-2007, 01:53 AM
Gone are the days when guys would play DC not matter how bad their injury was. Now guys are skipping DC for exhibitions. Pathetic Rafa. Atleast do something better with your time like take an english class.

Yeah, he skipped DC for an exhibition. :rolleyes: The exho was nothing more than a public training session. Nothing more than he would train on any given day in Mallorca. If you would take your head from your arse, you could think clearly before making ANOTHER stupid post

GlennMirnyi
04-13-2007, 02:36 AM
You do realize how stupid you sound, right?

So speaking the truth is being stupid? :rolleyes:

Gone are the days when guys would play DC not matter how bad their injury was. Now guys are skipping DC for exhibitions. Pathetic Rafa. Atleast do something better with your time like take an english class.

Agreed. There are guys in slums of South America who speak English better than him.

Johnny Groove
04-13-2007, 02:39 AM
So speaking the truth is being stupid? :rolleyes:



Agreed. There are guys in slums of South America who speak English better than him.

No, phrasing it that he SCHEDULED his injury is stupid. He didnt plan his chronic foor problem playing up again.

So the fuck what if his English isnt up to your par? Hes learning English as he goes along, shit, do you ever give the guy a break? :o

Jealousy is a disease. Hopefully you feel better soon

GlennMirnyi
04-13-2007, 02:44 AM
No, phrasing it that he SCHEDULED his injury is stupid. He didnt plan his chronic foor problem playing up again.

So the fuck what if his English isnt up to your par? Hes learning English as he goes along, shit, do you ever give the guy a break? :o

Jealousy is a disease. Hopefully you feel better soon

Of course he scheduled this break. Even his mom doesn't believe in this "injury" talk.

He's in the circuit for what? 3-4 years? English is tennis' language. He should at least understand press conferences. That episode the reporter simply quit asking a question because he couldn't understand is pathetic.

Jealousy... what a joke. If I were jealous about any tennis player, it wouldn't be a moonballer. :)

Johnny Groove
04-13-2007, 02:50 AM
Of course he scheduled this break. Even his mom doesn't believe in this "injury" talk.

He's in the circuit for what? 3-4 years? English is tennis' language. He should at least understand press conferences. That episode the reporter simply quit asking a question because he couldn't understand is pathetic.

Jealousy... what a joke. If I were jealous about any tennis player, it wouldn't be a moonballer. :)

He didnt schedule anything. It was a precaution because his foot injury came up again. Although im sure you would want him to play the tie and injure himself before the clay season :rolleyes:

Have you seen his press conferences? Its not as if he is completely incomprehensible. And what episode are you referring to? The one where the retard reporter asked about if golf was played on clay? :retard:

Then what is your problem with him? I can understand you not liking his game and leaving it at that, but you constantly berade him for every move he makes. :o

RickDaStick
04-13-2007, 02:53 AM
What? Me? When? No? No? What? No No.

oschemi
04-13-2007, 02:55 AM
He didnt schedule anything. It was a precaution because his foot injury came up again. Although im sure you would want him to play the tie and injure himself before the clay season :rolleyes:

Have you seen his press conferences? Its not as if he is completely incomprehensible. And what episode are you referring to? The one where the retard reporter asked about if golf was played on clay? :retard:

Then what is your problem with him? I can understand you not liking his game and leaving it at that, but you constantly berade him for every move he makes. :o

I think this bastard Glenn Mirnyi is in love with him. I can just picture him jacking off to posters of Nadal in his room.:o :o

Johnny Groove
04-13-2007, 02:58 AM
What? Me? When? No? No? What? No No.

yeah, thats all he says in his PC's. :rolleyes: Sure, he uses those, but its not the only thing he says.

GlennMirnyi
04-13-2007, 03:01 AM
He didnt schedule anything. It was a precaution because his foot injury came up again. Although im sure you would want him to play the tie and injure himself before the clay season :rolleyes:

Have you seen his press conferences? Its not as if he is completely incomprehensible. And what episode are you referring to? The one where the retard reporter asked about if golf was played on clay? :retard:

Then what is your problem with him? I can understand you not liking his game and leaving it at that, but you constantly berade him for every move he makes. :o

No, I remember Ivan posting that. The golf question was funny too, but there other was much worse.

I said this before. No sportsmanship, antics, delays the game to break the opponent's rhythm... faking injuries and innumerable provocations against the opponent. Sorry, this isn't gonna make me like him.

What? Me? When? No? No? What? No No.

Why, no? What, no? No, no? Yes, no? Maybe, no?

I think this bastard Glenn Mirnyi is in love with him. I can just picture him jacking off to posters of Nadal in his room.:o :o

Bastard? :lol: Stop projecting your life on other people. It's no good. Time for your phenobarbital.

Johnny Groove
04-13-2007, 03:19 AM
I said this before. No sportsmanship, antics, delays the game to break the opponent's rhythm... faking injuries and innumerable provocations against the opponent. Sorry, this isn't gonna make me like him.

I guess it is just a perspective thing. I guess you see it in a different light. Fist-pumps and vamos to you are antics, while to me is pumping himself up and celebration for winning the point. Pulling out of DC is a precaution NOT to be injured to me, to you hes being unpatriotic and faking injury.

Different strokes for different folks I guess. And theres really nothing he can do to change your opinion either, as you'll always take a negative view on whatever he does or says.

GlennMirnyi
04-13-2007, 03:28 AM
I guess it is just a perspective thing. I guess you see it in a different light. Fist-pumps and vamos to you are antics, while to me is pumping himself up and celebration for winning the point. Pulling out of DC is a precaution NOT to be injured to me, to you hes being unpatriotic and faking injury.

Different strokes for different folks I guess. And theres really nothing he can do to change your opinion either, as you'll always take a negative view on whatever he does or says.

Ok, just to be clear, I NEVER mentioned anything about patriotism. I believe patriotism must be one of the worst plagues in human history and the source of many many wars. ;)

That said, I'm not criticising his stance on DC action. I don't care if he doesn't wanna/can play, as I don't care if Federer doesn't wanna/can play.

Johnny Groove
04-13-2007, 03:34 AM
Ok, just to be clear, I NEVER mentioned anything about patriotism. I believe patriotism must be one of the worst plagues in human history and the source of many many wars. ;)

Religion as well

That said, I'm not criticising his stance on DC action. I don't care if he doesn't wanna/can play, as I don't care if Federer doesn't wanna/can play.

You are criticising him because of his reason for missing it, not the fact THAT he missed it, no?

mangoes
04-13-2007, 03:34 AM
No sportsmanship, antics, delays the game to break the opponent's rhythm... faking injuries and innumerable provocations against the opponent. Sorry, this isn't gonna make me like him.


OOOHHHH.........The clay season is here........time for us to discuss sportmanship, antics, delays.......all things that sent MTF into a frenzy during the 2006 clay season:lol: :lol: :lol:


I guess it is just a perspective thing. I guess you see it in a different light. Fist-pumps and vamos to you are antics, while to me is pumping himself up and celebration for winning the point. Pulling out of DC is a precaution NOT to be injured to me, to you hes being unpatriotic and faking injury.

Different strokes for different folks I guess. And theres really nothing he can do to change your opinion either, as you'll always take a negative view on whatever he does or says.

I can't be sure this is what Gu means, but when we talk about antics, we don't mean "fist pumps and vamos" We mean little things like when a player's opponent is about to serve, the player holding up his hand to stop play as to disrupt the opponent's flow:p :p

Johnny Groove
04-13-2007, 03:37 AM
OOOHHHH.........The clay season is here........time for us to discuss sportmanship, antics, delays.......all things that sent MTF into a frenzy during the 2006 clay season:lol: :lol: :lol:

:rocker2:




I can't speak for Gu, but when we talk about antics, we don't mean "fist pumps and vamos" We mean little things like when a player's opponent is about to serve, the player holding up his hand to stop play as to disrupt the opponent's flow:p :p

And things like taking too long to serve? :p Both of which I have seen him diminish in the recent months. Especialy the time between serving. He's really cut that down. Maybe he'll do it more on the long rallies of the clay season, but that remains to be seen.

euroka1
04-13-2007, 03:39 AM
I voted NO but don't blame Nadal for not going anywhere near the Davis Cup. He needs to stay in shape for more serious things such as defending his claycourt tournaments.

Given the way it's run, DC amounts to an exhibition put on for their countrymen by the hosts who choose the surface and provide the noisy crowd. Dead rubbers make it more of a farce. The mistake was to let the pros in. In the days of amateur tennis, Davis Cup really meant something. Nowadays, its pure jingoism and I can't take it seriously.

GlennMirnyi
04-13-2007, 03:40 AM
Religion as well

You are criticising him because of his reason for missing it, not the fact THAT he missed it, no?

Religion as well, but that topic is kinda dodgy... people get too crazy about it. Better left alone, I say.

Exactly. If he said "I don't wanna ruin my recurrent injury so I'll skip DC", that's fine, but... "I'm injured so I'm not gonna play DC and I'll go training like a boxer and play exhibitions". No deal there.


I can't be sure this is what Gu means, but when we talk about antics, we don't mean "fist pumps and vamos" We mean little things like when a player's opponent is about to serve, the player holding up his hand to stop play as to disrupt the opponent's flow:p :p

The "vamos" and fist pumps are more about my complaining about provoking than antics. Antics are: asking for time-outs for fake injuries/bananas/bee stings in France in February indoors, disrupting the opponent's serve rhythm, taking 2 minutes to serve, complaining about the hawkeye, throwing the viewers against the opponent. The list goes on and on.

Johnny Groove
04-13-2007, 03:48 AM
Religion as well, but that topic is kinda dodgy... people get too crazy about it. Better left alone, I say.

Exactly. If he said "I don't wanna ruin my recurrent injury so I'll skip DC", that's fine, but... "I'm injured so I'm not gonna play DC and I'll go training like a boxer and play exhibitions". No deal there.



The "vamos" and fist pumps are more about my complaining about provoking than antics. Antics are: asking for time-outs for fake injuries/bananas/bee stings in France in February indoors, disrupting the opponent's serve rhythm, taking 2 minutes to serve, complaining about the hawkeye, throwing the viewers against the opponent. The list goes on and on.

Berdych did that on his own :lol:

mangoes
04-13-2007, 03:48 AM
:rocker2:





:lol: :lol: Let it begin....






The "vamos" and fist pumps are more about my complaining about provoking than antics. Antics are: asking for time-outs for fake injuries/bananas/bee stings in France in February indoors, disrupting the opponent's serve rhythm, taking 2 minutes to serve, complaining about the hawkeye, throwing the viewers against the opponent. The list goes on and on.

And the list goes on and on:angel: :angel: :angel: Let's hope we don't have a repeat of Roma in 07:o

Johnny Groove
04-13-2007, 03:55 AM
:lol: :lol: Let it begin....




And the list goes on and on:angel: :angel: :angel: Let's hope we don't have a repeat of Roma in 07:o

I loved Rome 06. Federer was pissed that Tio Toni was coaching from the stands. you guys remember that? or how about right before the MC final when the infamous "one-dimensional" comment came from Roger? :rolls:

mangoes
04-13-2007, 04:01 AM
I loved Rome 06. Federer was pissed that Tio Toni was coaching from the stands. you guys remember that? or how about right before the MC final when the infamous "one-dimensional" comment came from Roger? :rolls:

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: 1. Roger was correct. 2. Uncle Toni was coaching:ras: :ras: :ras:

GlennMirnyi
04-13-2007, 04:04 AM
My favorite scene reminds me of Berdych shutting the barbaric Madrid crowd. :D

Johnny Groove
04-13-2007, 04:05 AM
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: 1. Roger was correct. 2. Uncle Toni was coaching:ras: :ras: :ras:

1. He still lost to Mr. 1 dimensional in MC
2. Roger was scared shitless of beating Nadal in Rome and couldnt convert the mp's against him in the 5th, so he took his frustrations out and made the excuse that Toni was cheating.
3. He didnt have an excuse at RG for his loss :p



4. Or Dubai :p

Johnny Groove
04-13-2007, 04:06 AM
My favorite scene reminds me of Berdych shutting the barbaric Madrid crowd. :D

My favorite part was when he got booed off the court after Gonzalez kicked his ass in the next round :D

I really hope we see another Nadal-Berdych match in Madrid :p

GlennMirnyi
04-13-2007, 04:08 AM
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: 1. Roger was correct. 2. Uncle Toni was coaching:ras: :ras: :ras:

True.

RickDaStick
04-13-2007, 04:16 AM
My favorite part was when he got booed off the court after Gonzalez kicked his ass in the next round :D

I really hope we see another Nadal-Berdych match in Madrid :p

My favorite part had to be Nadal doing his best impression of the guy from office space who cant speak and no one listens to when he tried saying something to Berdych.

nobama
04-13-2007, 04:34 AM
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: 1. Roger was correct. 2. Uncle Toni was coaching:ras: :ras: :ras:Wasn't it shortly after that when Nadal said the no coaching rule was stupid and he wanted it changed (I don't remember his exact words)? :aplot:

GlennMirnyi
04-13-2007, 04:35 AM
My favorite part was when he got booed off the court after Gonzalez kicked his ass in the next round :D

I really hope we see another Nadal-Berdych match in Madrid :p

I don't really care about Berdych, I only like him when he's beating Nadal to oblivion.

GlennMirnyi
04-13-2007, 04:41 AM
My favorite part had to be Nadal doing his best impression of the guy from office space who cant speak and no one listens to when he tried saying something to Berdych.

Do you remember when he did the jumping like a monkey thing impression too? That was a killer?

Nadal must have said to him: "You, no... very... no... eh... no... booo... no". :haha:

Metis
04-13-2007, 04:53 AM
I see the Rafa haters are warming up nicely for the clay season. :lol:

(take care not to overstress yourselves though, there are still 2 months to go; you don't want to peak too early :hug: )

mangoes
04-13-2007, 04:59 AM
My favorite part was when he got booed off the court after Gonzalez kicked his ass in the next round :D

I really hope we see another Nadal-Berdych match in Madrid :p

:o If you're going to have the balls to "sshhhh" Nadal in front of the Madrid crowd........then be ready for the backlash and don't go out like a wimp in the next round:mad:

Wasn't it shortly after that when Nadal said the no coaching rule was stupid and he wanted it changed (I don't remember his exact words)? :aplot:

:lol: :lol: So True.........in fact, if my memory serves me correctly, Nadal promised that oncourt coaching would become a reality:p :p

I see the Rafa haters are warming up nicely for the clay season. :lol:

(take care not to overstress yourselves though, there are still 2 months to go; you don't want to peak too early :hug: )

AAwwww, there you are:wavey: I was just about to say that all we're missing are the two scheming rafatards: Cmurray and Metis :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: .................Have you thrown any bait out lately to catch fresh fedtards:devil: :devil:

rafagirlno1
04-13-2007, 05:07 AM
True.

even if tht was true do u seriosly believe tht some coaching from the stand could help rafa'the man who had previously whipped roger's ass on 3 occasion prior to tht in a row'. bullshit , there are occasions when roger has been a sore loser and thts the truth . you keep downgrading rafa and all his attitude but roger has been worse as well .
he stating after the monte carlo whipping from rafa tht he just wants to be 2000 points ahead and doesn't care much about the loss at a masters series event . now isn't tht a sore loser attitude as well :rolleyes:
u keep bringing back the berdych incident , so lets see the nole incident of roger . he tells a player is FAKING injury to the press , wht a fucked up statement inspite of his ENGLISH being perfect unlike rafa who is still learning and doing his best at it !!!
roger goes to the press and has talked about the canas incident without knowing facts of wht actually had happened (classic case of poking your nose in other's business without much knowledge)!!!
if your going to tell facts about rafa , then there are many of such small facts which make fed look like a clown as well :o

Metis
04-13-2007, 05:13 AM
AAwwww, there you are:wavey: I was just about to say that all we're missing are the two scheming rafatards: Cmurray and Metis :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: .................Have you thrown any bait out lately to catch fresh fedtards:devil: :devil:


:wavey: I saw the action in this thread and couldn't resist :devil:. No fishing in the schedule at the moment :sad:. Too busy designing a business plan for jinx-potions with Merton. We are going to tap into the MTF market. :cool:

GlennMirnyi
04-13-2007, 05:17 AM
even if tht was true do u seriosly believe tht some coaching from the stand could help rafa'the man who had previously whipped roger's ass on 3 occasion prior to tht in a row'. bullshit , there are occasions when roger has been a sore loser and thts the truth . you keep downgrading rafa and all his attitude but roger has been worse as well .
he stating after the monte carlo whipping from rafa tht he just wants to be 2000 points ahead and doesn't care much about the loss at a masters series event . now isn't tht a sore loser attitude as well :rolleyes:
u keep bringing back the berdych incident , so lets see the nole incident of roger . he tells a player is FAKING injury to the press , wht a fucked up statement inspite of his ENGLISH being perfect unlike rafa who is still learning and doing his best at it !!!
roger goes to the press and has talked about the canas incident without knowing facts of wht actually had happened (classic case of poking your nose in other's business without much knowledge)!!!
if your going to tell facts about rafa , then there are many of such small facts which make fed look like a clown as well :o

Wow, this is unintelligible. Blaze, please do something in the Rafatard union. This is extreme.

I don't care if Federer is a clown. For my taste, I'd like Federer to be like Kiefer, a bad guy on court. Unfortunately he's not. I'm not here to defend him also... I don't think I've ever posted something defending what Federer said/done on or off court. That's a joke.

rafagirlno1
04-13-2007, 05:26 AM
Wow, this is unintelligible. Blaze, please do something in the Rafatard union. This is extreme.

I don't care if Federer is a clown. For my taste, I'd like Federer to be like Kiefer, a bad guy on court. Unfortunately he's not. I'm not here to defend him also... I don't think I've ever posted something defending what Federer said/done on or off court. That's a joke.

maybe so , but then dont keep telling rafa faked out injury to get out of davis cup unless u hve facts to prove so :wavey:

mangoes
04-13-2007, 05:30 AM
:wavey: I saw the action in this thread and couldn't resist :devil:. No fishing in the schedule at the moment :sad:. Too busy designing a business plan for jinx-potions with Merton. We are going to tap into the MTF market. :cool:

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: So, who exactly is the target market?? Fedtards??

even if tht was true do u seriosly believe tht some coaching from the stand could help rafa'the man who had previously whipped roger's ass on 3 occasion prior to tht in a row'. bullshit , there are occasions when roger has been a sore loser and thts the truth . you keep downgrading rafa and all his attitude but roger has been worse as well .
he stating after the monte carlo whipping from rafa tht he just wants to be 2000 points ahead and doesn't care much about the loss at a masters series event . now isn't tht a sore loser attitude as well :rolleyes:
u keep bringing back the berdych incident , so lets see the nole incident of roger . he tells a player is FAKING injury to the press , wht a fucked up statement inspite of his ENGLISH being perfect unlike rafa who is still learning and doing his best at it !!!
roger goes to the press and has talked about the canas incident without knowing facts of wht actually had happened (classic case of poking your nose in other's business without much knowledge)!!!
if your going to tell facts about rafa , then there are many of such small facts which make fed look like a clown as well :o

:scratch: :scratch: Who oversees the Rafatard Poster Services Dept. There is a defective Rafatard on the loose.....

GlennMirnyi
04-13-2007, 05:31 AM
maybe so , but then dont keep telling rafa faked out injury to get out of davis cup unless u hve facts to prove so :wavey:

Well, he's playing exhibition matches. Then he's not injured. :)

rafagirlno1
04-13-2007, 05:39 AM
Well, he's playing exhibition matches. Then he's not injured. :)

but did u know he visited the doctor the day before the exhibition match!!
i am sorry glenn, if i was rude but when a person is accusing a player of faking an injury without hve CLEAR facts supporting the statement then it is not right !!

GlennMirnyi
04-13-2007, 05:48 AM
but did u know he visited the doctor the day before the exhibition match!!
i am sorry glenn, if i was rude but when a person is accusing a player of faking an injury without hve CLEAR facts supporting the statement then it is not right !!

If he were seriously injured he wouldn't play a match less than a week after the DC tie. :p

Lee
04-13-2007, 05:55 AM
:yawn:

rafagirlno1
04-13-2007, 05:56 AM
If he were seriously injured he wouldn't play a match less than a week after the DC tie. :p

there is difference in being seriously injured and faking an injury thts all i am saying .he is not seriosuly injured and thts a fact , agreed .
but his foot still gives him problems time and time again ,so he is trying his best to see to it tht he doesn't aggrevate it much and make it worse since this is his favourite season coming up :p

Merton
04-13-2007, 05:57 AM
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: So, who exactly is the target market?? Fedtards??

We will provide jinx and anti-jinx portions, in reasonable prices, for anybody interested :angel:

Merton
04-13-2007, 06:03 AM
As for the thread question, exhibitions carry zero information but if Rafa was facing an injury he would have withdrawn from Miami. Ergo, Rafa did not play DC either because he was taking precautions, or because the event did not fit with his clay preparation, or because he was afraid of Blake/Roddick/both. Personally I am leaning towards #2, but we will never know.

mangoes
04-13-2007, 06:04 AM
We will provide jinx and anti-jinx portions, in reasonable prices, for anybody interested :angel:

:lol: :lol: I guess I shouldn't be surprised that our resident economist has realized a niche in the market for Jinx portions during this clay season :lol: :lol:

Merton
04-13-2007, 06:07 AM
:lol: :lol: I guess I shouldn't be surprised that our resident economist has realized a niche in the market for Jinx portions during this clay season :lol: :lol:

When there is demand, supply will follow :lol: :lol:

GlennMirnyi
04-13-2007, 06:09 AM
We will provide jinx and anti-jinx portions, in reasonable prices, for anybody interested :angel:

Mate, if you're selling things pro-Nadal the tennis Gods will punish you. :p

Merton
04-13-2007, 06:17 AM
Mate, if you're selling things pro-Nadal the tennis Gods will punish you. :p

Ok, then I will make pro-Federer transactions just in case tennis Gods exist and Metis will make the pro-Nadal transactions :lol:

mangoes
04-13-2007, 06:31 AM
^^^^:lol: :lol: :lol: Jinx portions.......tennis gods....... Yes Merton, please stick to the pro Federer transactions.

As for the pro Nadal portions........feel free to cut corners in its production:devil:

W!MBLEDON
04-13-2007, 10:16 AM
... So, back on topic, who ended up winning the exhibition? :p

leng jai
04-13-2007, 11:31 AM
Oscar Hernandez.

Il Primo Uomo
04-13-2007, 01:22 PM
No, phrasing it that he SCHEDULED his injury is stupid. He didnt plan his chronic foor problem playing up again.



Jealousy is a disease. Hopefully you feel better soon
Oh, guy give me a break.

Nadal DID schedule is injury, it's pretty clear.
He said he couldn't play the DC cause of an injury whereas he was still playing at IW. If I'm not wrong, he was NOT injured in California. He even played the Sony Ericsson Tournament after his brilliant victory!
I call it SCHEDULE. I call him FAKE and DUMB.

I'm not even a hater, I'm just telling the truth.

And please, how come my post shows how jealous of Rafa I am?! I really don't get it. :o

cmurray
04-13-2007, 01:54 PM
AAwwww, there you are:wavey: I was just about to say that all we're missing are the two scheming rafatards: Cmurray and Metis :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: .................Have you thrown any bait out lately to catch fresh fedtards:devil: :devil:

:lol:

Metis has bigger fish to fry. Besides, we've already taken care of Roland Garros - and that's the important one. Though Metis, we really DO need to snag a fedtard for Monte Carlo....it's right around the corner.

You know, I just love clay season. I like Roger SO much better this time of year when his inner arseclown comes out to play. Just goes to show that he's human like the rest of us.

The_Nadal_effect
04-13-2007, 02:19 PM
Just the timing of the exo looks bad given the DC tie is barely over.

Right said Scoobs! Just a matter of bad timing really, and it doesn't put him in the good books of his DC mates who already feel that he is always 'injured' for the DC anyways.

By the way, I dont think Rafa fakes injuries, but he is more cautious of events that matter to his ambitions(GS and MS), than exhibition matches that really dont count in points, which is why he allowed himself to play, plus it serves as a clay season opener.

All this cynicism might have spared him had he participated in even one single event for his country this year. He would have been 'patriotic' then, no?:cool:

nevermind
04-13-2007, 03:37 PM
I think that Rafa has the right to step down from any tournament
if he feels it's for the best of his health.
We know Rafa loves his Country and loves representing Spain ,
look at last year,Rafa played his heart out! Rafa is their hero
I think it's good for him to rest & prepare fully for the Clay.
Rafa has a tough 8 weeks ( 6 weeks tournament ) ahead of him
in wich he has to keep himself physically and emotionally fit to maintain his 62-streak ,
I mean , look at what he has to defend :eek:
Going into that with foot pain couldn't be good.
We want him to have a fair fight to defend his titles.
If Federer or Blake or whoever had to step down for the same reason,
you would understand,
:wavey:

Skyward
04-13-2007, 04:25 PM
If Federer or Blake or whoever had to step down for the same reason,
you would understand

:haha::haha:
You're a naive soul.

cmurray
04-13-2007, 04:35 PM
:haha::haha:
You're a naive soul.

yep. We've equal opportunity bashing around here. :lol:

Black Adam
04-13-2007, 04:47 PM
Anyways even if Rafa had played DC they would have been whooped 3-0. Besides, Clay is very demanding on the body and you can understand the need for a break and preparation before killing everybody on the surface. Even Fed threw away the Canas match in Miami to have more time to adapt his body to Clay in advance.

P.S. I thought on MTF, Exhibitions don't matter especially when Roddick and Rafa are winning them?? But because he bunked DC prior to the Exhibition, this Exhibition has received far too much attention.

The_Nadal_effect
04-14-2007, 07:38 AM
Even Fed threw away the Canas match in Miami to have more time to adapt his body to Clay in advance.


:lol:Really?

danton
04-14-2007, 09:25 PM
Does anyone know how Rafa did in his exhibition match?

Johnny Groove
04-15-2007, 12:16 AM
Does anyone know how Rafa did in his exhibition match?

beat Nalby and Moya