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James Ward (GBR) never even played challenger - playing Valencia?

danton
04-09-2007, 11:02 PM
Can someone explain this?

In his career has played:
0 ATP tournaments
0 Challenger tournaments
14 Futures tournaments - with 1 semi final to show for it Oct 06.

Ranking 851 (highest it has been)
Aged 20

But he has a WC for Valencia. I know it doesn't have the best field but he hasn't even been given a Wimbledon, Nottingham or Queens WC and you know how generous we have been to british players with a low ranking.

Can you buy a WC into an ATP tournament or am I being completely thick and missing something?

scarecrows
04-09-2007, 11:03 PM
he probably trains in Valencia

Nathaliia
04-09-2007, 11:05 PM
And probably his family isn't poor.

Burrow
04-09-2007, 11:08 PM
:tape: hes going to get one hell of a beating if he gets drawn against a clay courter.

scarecrows
04-09-2007, 11:09 PM
:tape: hes going to get one hell of a beating if he gets drawn against a clay courter.

he's drawn against this hell of a player :tape:

http://www.atptennis.com/5/en/players/playerprofiles/default.asp?playersearch=gensse

beat today mackin in final set TB in 3d round qualies

Jimnik
04-09-2007, 11:09 PM
Is this another Brit that's been sent over to Spain?
Andy Murray was given a WC for Barcelona two years ago although, at the time, he was ranked around 300 or so.

MissPovaFan
04-09-2007, 11:09 PM
hmmm I also don't understand this at all :shrug:

Homo_Esperanto
04-09-2007, 11:10 PM
Can someone explain this?

In his career has played:
0 ATP tournaments
0 Challenger tournaments
14 Futures tournaments - with 1 semi final to show for it Oct 06.

Ranking 851 (highest it has been)
Aged 20

But he has a WC for Valencia. I know it doesn't have the best field but he hasn't even been given a Wimbledon, Nottingham or Queens WC and you know how generous we have been to british players with a low ranking.

Can you buy a WC into an ATP tournament or am I being completely thick and missing something?


James Ward is training for some years now in the Juan Carlos Ferrero Academy in Spain. He is quite promising and just raises his level slowly but surely, mostly in the spanish circuit.

As i guess JCF has a good relationship to the tournament organizers there in Valencia a WC for James Ward is just a logical consequence.

Here a link also with a picture of James Ward

http://www.tennis.com.cn/bbs/NewsDetail.asp?id=4186120

DhammaTiger
04-09-2007, 11:15 PM
I think I read somewhere at the time that Andy Murray was given the wild card at Barcelona, that there was an agreement between the spanish and british federations or governing bodies, about wild card for youngters from each country. However, I may be wrong about the applicability of that to this case. maybe some more knowledgable poster could enlighten us.

Mateya
04-09-2007, 11:16 PM
OMG :eek:
Is it possible? Ranked 850 and has 1 future SF to show? :retard: Why not one challenger before this? Now really, this is a bit too much :confused:

And it can be a very bad day for him tommorow... :speakles: :scared: :help:

Black Adam
04-09-2007, 11:20 PM
Maybe he will surprise everybody and produce the first shock wave of the tournament.

Burrow
04-09-2007, 11:27 PM
he's drawn against this hell of a player :tape:

http://www.atptennis.com/5/en/players/playerprofiles/default.asp?playersearch=gensse

beat today mackin in final set TB in 3d round qualies

Lucky draw for him then, although he probably will still go out. If he wins this match who will he play next round do you know?

Burrow
04-09-2007, 11:30 PM
Maybe he will surprise everybody and produce the first shock wave of the tournament.

Yes and maybe it will rain walrus'

danton
04-09-2007, 11:31 PM
Well good luck to him I hope he can make something of the opportunity.

Murray was ranked 397 at Barcelona but had won several future events and challenger matches. He went on to make the Bangkok final, win challengers and beat top 20 players in 2005. Hopefully James can do the same. Help solve the Davis cup issues.

scarecrows
04-09-2007, 11:31 PM
i think he even has a chance of qualifying, his opponent has been futures material so far as well and maybe got tired from the long match of today\

if he wins plays Ferrer or Bracciali

Burrow
04-09-2007, 11:32 PM
i think he even has a chance of qualifying, his opponent has been futures material so far as well and maybe got tired from the long match of today\

if he wins plays Ferrer or Bracciali

well he has no chance. Ferrer is too persisting and Bracciali too powerful for somebody that hasnt even played a challenger.

danton
04-09-2007, 11:33 PM
Lucky draw for him then, although he probably will still go out. If he wins this match who will he play next round do you know?

Ferrer No 1 seed

scarecrows
04-09-2007, 11:34 PM
well he has no chance. Ferrer is too persisting and Bracciali too powerful for somebody that hasnt even played a challenger.

if he passes first round it will be well beyond expectations

Homo_Esperanto
04-09-2007, 11:35 PM
i think he even has a chance of qualifying, his opponent has been futures material so far as well and maybe got tired from the long match of today\

if he wins plays Ferrer or Bracciali

Great Genci; so you now what to pick tomorrow for doubles and PAW to get some points :cool:

Burrow
04-09-2007, 11:36 PM
if he passes first round it will be well beyond expectations

yes, definately.

danton
04-09-2007, 11:49 PM
I'll be keeping an eye on the results of this match. Go James!

scoobs
04-10-2007, 12:40 AM
I gather that James Ward is based at Equilite, the tennis academy in Alicante that is owned by Juan Carlos Ferrero - and the academy is very impressed with him.

I also gather that the Valencia tournament is owned in part or in full by Juan Carlos Ferrero, so it seems likely he or the team he has working at his academy has arranged this wildcard to see how he handles it.

~EMiLiTA~
04-10-2007, 02:24 AM
it is not surprising at this tournament...he probably trains at Ferrero's academy

Bobby
04-10-2007, 07:30 AM
This is just stupid. A player like that should play some challengers first and try to learn from them. I mean, what's the hurry?

jazar
04-10-2007, 08:05 AM
its such a waste. they should have given it to someone who actually deserves to be main draw in an atp event

scoobs
04-10-2007, 09:44 AM
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/tennis/article1633007.ece

Explains a little more about how it came about

Alvarillo
04-10-2007, 09:56 AM
Ferrero is the owner of the tournament, Martínez-Cascales the director ... and Ward trains in Equelite so ....
If you look in the Qualy draw you'll see that WCs went to foreing players, all training in Equelite.

Ferrero Forever
04-10-2007, 10:56 AM
In my opinion probably not the best decision in the world, but sometimes really low ranked players can take it to the big guys. I saw at the Davis Cup tie Australia VS Belarus last year, Serguei Tarasevitch who's ranked around the 1000 mark actually gave Wayne Arthurs some trouble in the first set (it went to a tiebreak, if not close to it if I remember correctly) so mabye he can pull off an upset, he's just bloody lucky to have been given this chance.

Xristos
04-10-2007, 11:02 AM
Some how my chances seem much much brighter..

CooCooCachoo
04-10-2007, 12:25 PM
Gensse has been having good results. He is the favourite.

I can imagine three people watching this match. I would watch, though, but I am not in Valencia.

mashamaniac
04-10-2007, 01:30 PM
so bad for tennis to give WCs to players with such stats! so bad and so sad to hear about it!

SwissMister1
04-10-2007, 03:12 PM
Should have given one to Josh Olivas, he would have paid more...

W!MBLEDON
04-10-2007, 03:17 PM
Maybe he will surprise everybody and produce the first shock wave of the tournament.

Call me when pigs fly~

Oh well, hopefully he'll learn his lesson when he loses. He's not going to make one semifinal showing at a futures tournament and suddenly win Valencia without even a challenger tournament history. What a waste of a wildcard.

Snowwy
04-10-2007, 03:20 PM
I hope he wins, he did win the first set and is 0-0 in the 3rd now.

musefanatic
04-10-2007, 03:31 PM
Madness is all i can say to be prefectly honest! Just another case of it's not what you know it's who you know.

Black Adam
04-10-2007, 03:49 PM
The guy is totally useless when it comes to saving break points :help: 0/5

Jimnik
04-10-2007, 04:06 PM
Gensse won 6-7 6-4 6-3 with the aid of a 5/6 BP conversion.

Ward was definately weaker on the important points but generally gave a good fight.

W!MBLEDON
04-10-2007, 04:08 PM
I must say he certainly lived up to — and exceeded — my expectations. I was expecting him to be crushed in straight sets. Something like 6-0, 6-3. xD

decrepitude
04-10-2007, 04:35 PM
He put up a very good fight, just seemed to wilt a bit in the middle of the third set.

Could be one to watch out for.

LocoPorElTenis
04-10-2007, 04:40 PM
Keep in mind his opponent was crap as well. Any decent top 100 clay courter would have crushed him.

dippykitty
04-10-2007, 08:37 PM
Keep in mind his opponent was crap as well. Any decent top 100 clay courter would have crushed him.

How do you know he (Gensse) is crap? Have you seen him play?

scoobs
04-10-2007, 08:46 PM
Keep in mind his opponent was crap as well. Any decent top 100 clay courter would have crushed him.
Just because they're both outside the top 150 doesn't mean they're both crap.

A player outside the top 800 is still usually going to struggle to beat a top 400 player so it was a good effort to take the first set - a poor patch in the middle of the third sealed his fate though.

CooCooCachoo
04-10-2007, 08:50 PM
Keep in mind his opponent was crap as well. Any decent top 100 clay courter would have crushed him.

I doubt you saw the match or ever saw any of them play, so withhold your judgment.

Snowwy
04-10-2007, 10:05 PM
Polansky would have won ;)

jazar
04-10-2007, 10:18 PM
How do you know he (Gensse) is crap? Have you seen him play?

well, he has been playing futures for the past 6 years, has never played a challenger before and will never qualify for an atp main draw again

Burrow
04-10-2007, 11:25 PM
Well his opponent is crap, and he cant beat him when the opponent is a crap player playing crap. Hes 20 which is not the youngest for somebody that has not even played a challenger.

LocoPorElTenis
04-10-2007, 11:36 PM
I doubt you saw the match or ever saw any of them play, so withhold your judgment.

Come on, they're both future players. Gensse played one challenger match in his life. Their ranking and playing history clearly show that they're in a completely different (inferior) level with respect to top 100 players. Sorry if the word crap was too strong, it was used relative to the situation (playing on the main draw of an international series tournament).

danton
04-11-2007, 12:02 AM
He's 20, being playing since he was 11, by his own admission JCF and co have put a lot of effort and faith into him. Yet his ranking and results don't show any promise. Looking at his results you would have to say 'sorry but you're just not good enough' unfortunately not all of us can live our dreams. So what to JCF and co see in him and what is holding him back? We haven't put any money into him and were cash rich and talent poor. There has to be more to this.

njnetswill
04-11-2007, 05:02 AM
The point is that he is way better than a Brie Whitehead.

ATP > WTA in that regard. ;)