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Best and worst participant of Russia-France DC tie?

Rosa Luxembourg
04-08-2007, 08:11 PM
Who contributed the most to his team performance?


I'd say Tarp and Michael Youzhny are candidates for the best and Richard Gasquet is probably for the worst...

What do you think?

Yappa
04-08-2007, 08:21 PM
IMO Grosjean was both the best (against Andreev) and the worst (in doubles) french player.

danton
04-08-2007, 08:25 PM
If Gasquet couldn't beat Youzny who was barely able to play because of cramping then worst defnately goes to him.

I hope he gets his demons sorted soon.

Best - Youzny for winning when cramping or Safin for playing well when he has had an awful start to the season.

jazar
04-08-2007, 08:30 PM
best: safin, for coming through and saving the day
worst: gasquet

Svetlana.
04-08-2007, 08:53 PM
Everyone in Russian team made a part to be in Semis. It's one of the reasons they are winning so far. Someone is always there to play for their country.

The same for the French team. They tried hard... only Russians were better this time..:wavey:

Truc
04-08-2007, 09:02 PM
Nobody mentioning Davydenko? I didn't see Gasquet-Youzhny, but I watched all the other matches and Davydenko was very, very poor for a top 5 player (and a claycourter). In singles and in doubles.

As for the other guys I've seen, they all had their good and bad moments except Safin, so I'll go with Safin for the best.

Burrow
04-08-2007, 09:11 PM
Probably Marat, played well enough today for a straight setter.

Bilbo
04-08-2007, 09:19 PM
Worst: Donkey
Best: Safin

Burrow
04-08-2007, 09:20 PM
and who are you reffering to when you say Donkey, Bilbo??

Yappa
04-08-2007, 09:25 PM
I couldn't watch the 2nd singles match, so if Youzhny really had those crampings problems, then Gasquet probably was indeed the most disappointing french player this weekend.

France:

1) Mathieu
2) Grosjean & Llodra
4) Gasquet

Russia:

1) Safin
2) Youzhny
3) Andreev
4) Davydenko

Bilbo
04-08-2007, 09:27 PM
and who are you reffering to when you say Donkey, Bilbo??

kolya

Nadie
04-08-2007, 10:27 PM
worst - Davy :devil:
best - Youzhny :hatoff: :worship:

atheneglaukopis
04-08-2007, 10:29 PM
Safin winning in straights and everyone else going to 5 or at least 4 sets is a bit of a reversal of expectations, no matter who he's playing.

Rosa Luxembourg
04-09-2007, 01:18 AM
Interesting ppl keep mentioning Davydenko, but he did win even though it was in doubles.

Svetlana.
04-09-2007, 01:34 AM
Interesting ppl keep mentioning Davydenko, but he did win even though it was in doubles.

Many people are unfair to Davydenko's effort. Kolya usually does everything he can to help his team. He has good and bad days like anyother professional tennis players, but he's always there for his team.

vincayou
04-09-2007, 03:02 AM
Tarpishev is a genius? He's lucky to have 4 russian players in the top20. I'm tired of hearing he's a genius when he's lucky to have inherited such a generation.

If he was coaching France, he wouldn't win a thing because the depth of talent is just not there.

Emilio
04-09-2007, 03:04 AM
Safin owns, youzhny did it really well

Andre♥
04-09-2007, 03:05 AM
If he was coaching France, he wouldn't win a thing because the depth of talent is just not there.

France has potential. Forget is just dumb. Players like Serra, Simon or Benneteau are so tricky that they can end up winning a rubber. Safin hates this kind of players and maybe things could have been different.

And leaving out Clement killed the doubles team and that was the deciding match.

MarieS
04-09-2007, 03:08 AM
Tarpishev is a genius? He's lucky to have 4 russian players in the top20.

He does??? :confused: Here's the roster he's working with:
4 Davydenko, Nikolay
17 Youzhny, Mikhail
24 Tursunov, Dmitry
27 Safin, Marat
233 Andreev, Igor

And very rarely does luck have anything to do with having a confluence of top players from the same country...

vincayou
04-09-2007, 03:15 AM
He does??? :confused: Here's the roster he's working with:
4 Davydenko, Nikolay
17 Youzhny, Mikhail
24 Tursunov, Dmitry
27 Safin, Marat
233 Andreev, Igor

And very rarely does luck have anything to do with having a confluence of top players from the same country...

Andreev and Safin are better than their current ranking, I suppose you know that.
And I say it again, Tarpishev is a good captain, but certainly not a genius in my book. He has at least 4 players top20 caliber, there is no dissention in the team, and most importantly they can play on all surfaces. The dream of any davis cup captain. Which other team has such a depth of multi surface players?

For the confluence of top players from the same country, what Tarpishev has to do with that?

Kitty de Sade
04-09-2007, 04:16 AM
Listening to his interviews about that decision was hilarious: "Well, we always win doubles but run out of steam the last day, so I wanted to do something different." :spit: As in lose the doubles, I suppose. :tape:

:lol: :yeah:

I♥PsY@Mus!c
04-09-2007, 04:42 AM
Gasquet :mad:
BTW Forget is a stupid coach! :fiery:

JBdV
04-09-2007, 05:44 AM
Best: Grosjean and Safin
Worst: Gasquet

JBdV
04-09-2007, 05:46 AM
France has potential. Forget is just dumb. Players like Serra, Simon or Benneteau are so tricky that they can end up winning a rubber.

:spit: I hope you're joking!

JBdV
04-09-2007, 06:13 AM
Tarpishev is a genius? He's lucky to have 4 russian players in the top20. I'm tired of hearing he's a genius when he's lucky to have inherited such a generation.

If he was coaching France, he wouldn't win a thing because the depth of talent is just not there.

Let Tarpishev's fangirls say what they want if it makes them happy :rolleyes:
How was Forget to know Gasquet would play such an awful match? If Clement had been picked it would have been in place of Grosjean, and then who would have picked up another singles rubber??

GlennMirnyi
04-09-2007, 06:21 AM
:spit: I hope you're joking!

Simon on clay is dangerous and Benneteau can be more threatening than a brainless teenager.

Truc
04-09-2007, 06:22 AM
Interesting ppl keep mentioning Davydenko, but he did win even though it was in doubles.Maybe the people who mention Davydenko actually watched the matches. I did.
Andreev won the doubles for Russia, Davydenko was poor in doubles too.
And at least he was given a second chance to look a little bit better (he didn't though imo), while Gasquet wasn't.

Davydenko lost easily on his best surface to a guy ranked 55th in the world by showing a poor effort. Gasquet-Youzhny was supposed to be a close match anyway. And Gasquet apparently played poorly, but at least he fought.

JBdV
04-09-2007, 06:32 AM
Simon on clay is dangerous and Benneteau can be more threatening than a brainless teenager.

More dangerous than PHM? Clay isn't even Simon's best surface :rolleyes:
Never mind the Benneteaus and Serras, Santoro should still be playing :(

GlennMirnyi
04-09-2007, 06:35 AM
More dangerous than PHM? Clay isn't even Simon's best surface :rolleyes:
Never mind the Benneteaus and Serras, Santoro should still be playing :(

Of course clay is Simon's best surface. His power is close to zero.

Santoro should be taken for doubles, but it seems he retired from DC, so...

Truc
04-09-2007, 06:42 AM
Santoro didn't retire from DC, Forget prefers not to have him in the team anymore because it's detrimental to the great team spirit. ^^
Santoro wasn't happy at all about this decision first, now it seems he has put up with it.

(Of course that's not official, Forget still acts as if he would also consider Santoro for the ties, but he just never picks him, lol.)

Edit: And Glenn is right, clay is Simon's best surface.

JBdV
04-09-2007, 06:46 AM
Of course clay is Simon's best surface. His power is close to zero.

Santoro should be taken for doubles, but it seems he retired from DC, so...

It's not the surface he's most comfortable on, and what surface has his only title come on? Anyway next you'll be saying Mahut should have been in the team because he bagelled Safin on tour :rolleyes:
And no, Santoro did not retire from DC, Forget just refuses to pick him.

GlennMirnyi
04-09-2007, 06:50 AM
Santoro didn't retire from DC, Forget prefers not to have him in the team anymore because it's detrimental to the great team spirit. ^^
Santoro wasn't happy at all about this decision first, now it seems he has put up with it.

(Of course that's not official, Forget still acts as if he would also consider Santoro for the ties, but he just never picks him, lol.)

Edit: And Glenn is right, clay is Simon's best surface.

A Llodra/Santoro team would be a certain point for France in almost all ties.

It's not the surface he's most comfortable on, and what surface has his only title come on? Anyway next you'll be saying Mahut should have been in the team because he bagelled Safin on tour :rolleyes:
And no, Santoro did not retire from DC, Forget just refuses to pick him.

Truc agrees with me.

His title in Marseille was kinda fluky, but let's not get into that. ;)

GlennMirnyi
04-09-2007, 06:51 AM
About the Forget-Santoro issue... just fire Forget, if that's the problem. ;)

JBdV
04-09-2007, 06:53 AM
Truc agrees with me.

Gilles Simon disagrees with both of you, but what would he know about what his own favoured surface is :shrug:

Truc
04-09-2007, 06:58 AM
Is that really what he said? :confused: Why is he playing all these clay events then if he doesn't feel like a claycourter? Last year he played the clay events after Wimbledon, he played on clay again after the US Open (Bucharest, Palermo)...

I've heard him say he can play on all surfaces. And for me, he's had his best results on clay so far.

JBdV
04-09-2007, 07:01 AM
Is that really what he said? :confused: Why is he playing all these clay events then if he doesn't feel like a claycourter? Last year he played the clay events after Wimbledon, he played on clay again after the US Open (Bucharest, Palermo)...

Probaby because they have weaker fields. I mean that's why he picked up points in Valencia and Casablanca last year.

Lleytonisthebest
04-09-2007, 09:43 AM
Let Tarpishev's fangirls say what they want if it makes them happy :rolleyes:
How was Forget to know Gasquet would play such an awful match? If Clement had been picked it would have been in place of Grosjean, and then who would have picked up another singles rubber??

gasquet was at his normal level it's just youzhny who played better and deserved to win.
and about forget he's a joke he doesn't understand nothing he speaks too much and we all know that if you think in tennis then you lose. he and his awesome team spirit that brought france a lot of wins should be replaced for sure:devil:

Kolya
04-09-2007, 09:46 AM
Tarpishev has made good calls in the doubles as Russia doesn't have any doubles specialists.

silverwhite
04-09-2007, 11:22 AM
Tarpishev has made good calls in the doubles as Russia doesn't have any doubles specialists.

He didn't have a choice. Youzhny played almost 5 hours on Friday and Safin was injured and saving himself for Sunday. He was lucky that Forget was stupid enough to even consider playing Grosjean in doubles.

JBdV
04-09-2007, 12:31 PM
He was lucky that Forget was stupid enough to even consider playing Grosjean in doubles.

If Forget had picked Clement, it would have been in place of Grosjean, and Gasquet would have lost both his rubbers, so it would have made no difference.

Kolya
04-09-2007, 12:45 PM
He didn't have a choice. Youzhny played almost 5 hours on Friday and Safin was injured and saving himself for Sunday. He was lucky that Forget was stupid enough to even consider playing Grosjean in doubles.

I'm talking about other matches.

Andre♥
04-09-2007, 01:07 PM
Of course clay is Simon's best surface. His power is close to zero.

Santoro should be taken for doubles, but it seems he retired from DC, so...

The should have been: Llodra or Clement, Serra, Mathieu and Benneteau with Simon as 5th player.

Clement or Llodracould team up with Santoro v2.0 and Serra and Mathieu would play the friday rubbers and Mathieu and Santoro v2.0 playing the sunday rubbers.

Andre♥
04-09-2007, 01:09 PM
If Forget had picked Clement, it would have been in place of Grosjean, and Gasquet would have lost both his rubbers, so it would have made no difference.

He should have dismissed Gasquet...

Grosjean-Clement-Llodra-Mathieu would have won the tie.

JBdV
04-09-2007, 01:12 PM
The should have been: Llodra or Clement, Serra, Mathieu and Benneteau with Simon as 5th player.

Clement or Llodracould team up with Santoro v2.0 and Serra and Mathieu would play the friday rubbers and Mathieu and Santoro v2.0 playing the sunday rubbers.

You seriously think Serra would have had a better chance of beating Youzhny than Gasquet or Grosjean? :rolleyes: And Benneteau of beating Safin?? :eek:

JBdV
04-09-2007, 01:13 PM
He should have dismissed Gasquet...

Grosjean-Clement-Llodra-Mathieu would have won the tie.

Agreed...but it's very easy to say that looking back now. Gasquet is on paper the French number 1, and by a long distance, how could Forget drop him?

silverwhite
04-09-2007, 03:43 PM
If Forget had picked Clement, it would have been in place of Grosjean, and Gasquet would have lost both his rubbers, so it would have made no difference.

I was referring to the doubles match in particular, not the whole tie. That poster implied that they won the doubles because of Tarpishev's tactics but it was actually because of the position Forget put himself in. ;)

Lleytonisthebest
04-09-2007, 04:21 PM
nevermind the french squad, captain or players russians are better !!

Il Primo Uomo
04-09-2007, 04:22 PM
They all sucked but Marat.
I'd give Seb the edge.

Il Primo Uomo
04-09-2007, 04:23 PM
nevermind the french squad, captain or players russians are better !!

I kind of agree

Lleytonisthebest
04-09-2007, 04:28 PM
gasquet was the funniest dude of all the we

JBdV
04-09-2007, 05:34 PM
nevermind the french squad, captain or players russians are better !!

That's humility :worship:

Lleytonisthebest
04-09-2007, 05:47 PM
lol still not as arrogant as french:devil: :devil:

JBdV
04-09-2007, 05:53 PM
lol still not as arrogant as french:devil: :devil:

French commentators have nothing to do with the French team. Show me one arrogant comment from a French player this weekend.:rolleyes:

Lleytonisthebest
04-09-2007, 06:09 PM
French commentators have nothing to do with the French team. Show me one arrogant comment from a French player this weekend.:rolleyes:

yes french commentators that's what i said:p