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UK: Teachers drop the Holocaust to avoid offending Muslims

zicofirol
04-01-2007, 11:30 PM
hahahaha, no one can say Europe culturally and morally is not dying, this news is as retarded and eye opening as it gets... and tragic...

Schools are dropping the Holocaust from history lessons to avoid offending Muslim pupils, a Government backed study has revealed.

It found some teachers are reluctant to cover the atrocity for fear of upsetting students whose beliefs include Holocaust denial.

There is also resistance to tackling the 11th century Crusades - where Christians fought Muslim armies for control of Jerusalem - because lessons often contradict what is taught in local mosques.

The findings have prompted claims that some schools are using history 'as a vehicle for promoting political correctness'.

The study, funded by the Department for Education and Skills, looked into 'emotive and controversial' history teaching in primary and secondary schools.

It found some teachers are dropping courses covering the Holocaust at the earliest opportunity over fears Muslim pupils might express anti-Semitic and anti-Israel reactions in class.

The researchers gave the example of a secondary school in an unnamed northern city, which dropped the Holocaust as a subject for GCSE coursework.

The report said teachers feared confronting 'anti-Semitic sentiment and Holocaust denial among some Muslim pupils'.

It added: "In another department, the Holocaust was taught despite anti-Semitic sentiment among some pupils.

"But the same department deliberately avoided teaching the Crusades at Key Stage 3 (11- to 14-year-olds) because their balanced treatment of the topic would have challenged what was taught in some local mosques."

A third school found itself 'strongly challenged by some Christian parents for their treatment of the Arab-Israeli conflict-and the history of the state of Israel that did not accord with the teachings of their denomination'.

The report concluded: "In particular settings, teachers of history are unwilling to challenge highly contentious or charged versions of history in which pupils are steeped at home, in their community or in a place of worship."

But Chris McGovern, history education adviser to the former Tory government, said: "History is not a vehicle for promoting political correctness. Children must have access to knowledge of these controversial subjects, whether palatable or unpalatable."

The researchers also warned that a lack of subject knowledge among teachers - particularly at primary level - was leading to history being taught in a 'shallow way leading to routine and superficial learning'.

Lessons in difficult topics were too often 'bland, simplistic and unproblematic' and bored pupils.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=445979&in_page_id=1770&ito=newsnow

As I have said many times the german story is just one in many many stories, the UK is in worst shape than most other countries in Europe, I guess there is a reason why London is referred as Londonistan, hahaha...

buddyholly
04-01-2007, 11:36 PM
Please, please tell me this is an April Fools' joke.

Next year they will be teaching that Germany won the war!

buddyholly
04-01-2007, 11:40 PM
On second reading it is not as bad as I thought. At first I thought that schools were being told by the gov. to drop mention of the Holocaust. But really, it seems it is the action of individual teachers. They should be fired, but unfortunately Britain now lacks a statesman/woman of the greatness of Thatcher.

zicofirol
04-01-2007, 11:51 PM
On second reading it is not as bad as I thought. At first I thought that schools were being told by the gov. to drop mention of the Holocaust. But really, it seems it is the action of individual teachers. They should be fired, but unfortunately Britain now lacks a statesman/woman of the greatness of Thatcher.

Yeah, I didnt try to make it sound as if it was an official position, but the fact that some schools and teachers are doing it is already insane...

RonE
04-02-2007, 11:37 AM
Things like that have been happening now for years in the U.K. and France and other European countries nothing new. :shrug:

The only difference is it is finally gaining some exposure however you still have your fair share of apologists who will continue to try and keep things like that under wraps and convince everyone that everything is just hunky dory :o

Black Adam
04-02-2007, 11:43 AM
That's bull crap! We shouldn't select parts of history that are to be taught and those that shouldn't simply because it offends some people. History should be taught as a whole. I would expect the Germans to teach their students what a bunch of assholes they were in the 1930-1945 period. People need to learn from these mistakes.

I think we make a big deal of offending people when saying some things. The truth must always be said no matter if it puts you in bad light.

mtw
04-02-2007, 11:56 AM
hahahaha, no one can say Europe culturally and morally is not dying, this news is as retarded and eye opening as it gets... and tragic...


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=445979&in_page_id=1770&ito=newsnow

As I have said many times the german story is just one in many many stories, the UK is in worst shape than most other countries in Europe, I guess there is a reason why London is referred as Londonistan, hahaha...


You know, when you write something in this forum I want to vomite after reading it. You and this kapranos are living proofs, that abortion should be forced in some states.

Black Adam
04-02-2007, 12:02 PM
You know, when you write something in this forum I want to vomite after reading it. You and this kapranos are living proofs, that abortion should be forced in some states.
Might as well add you to that list:rolleyes:

mtw
04-02-2007, 12:07 PM
Might as well add you to that list:rolleyes:

And you too, you idiot.

buddyholly
04-02-2007, 12:32 PM
The same kind of denial mentality seems to have infiltrated the BBC. I went to their website today, expecting the Iranian hostage crisis would naturally be the front page news item. But any mention of this is hidden and you have to search for it in other pages. Shame

Black Adam
04-02-2007, 12:34 PM
And you too, you idiot.
I have met people who have told me they felt their lives had a meaning ever since they came to know me. I doubt the same has ever happened to you, especially on this forum. You are like the darkness that brings despair, hatred, dumbness, immaturity & tragedy whereas I am the the light that brings idealism, common sense, love and fun.

And yet you have the nerve to tell me that I am with you on the list of people who should have been aborted :rolleyes: :bs:

mtw
04-02-2007, 12:37 PM
The same kind of denial mentality seems to have infiltrated the BBC. I went to their website today, expecting the Iranian hostage crisis would naturally be the front page news item. But any mention of this is hidden and you have to search for it in other pages. Shame

What should they write or say in your opinion? That some Bristish troops invaded territory of Iran? It was given today in some Polish news. Some informations should be not given to the press, because it can cause social dissatisfaction. And what for?

mtw
04-02-2007, 12:40 PM
I have met people who have told me they felt their lives had a meaning ever since they came to know me. I doubt the same has ever happened to you, especially on this forum. You are like the darkness that brings despair, hatred, dumbness, immaturity & tragedy whereas I am the the light that brings idealism, common sense, love and fun.

And yet you have the nerve that I am with you on the list of people who should have been aborted :rolleyes: :bs:

You must read it and think over, what is your idea in these bs, you have written. I don't want to know you ever. It is very sorry to know such people, as you are.

cmurray
04-02-2007, 12:40 PM
Things like that have been happening now for years in the U.K. and France and other European countries nothing new. :shrug:

The only difference is it is finally gaining some exposure however you still have your fair share of apologists who will continue to try and keep things like that under wraps and convince everyone that everything is just hunky dory :o

My grandfather was among the American soldiers that "liberated" one of the concentration camps. It still haunted him 50 years later. We still don't know which camp because he would never talk about it.

To eliminate this from European history is nothing short of a crime. There is a VERY good reason that the Polish government allowed Birkenau to stay standing...because we can never allow people to forget what happened; what CAN happen.

It still gets me all churned up. And to eliminate it because a group of people doesn't believe it happened? Its complete bullshit. Shame on England for even allowing it.

buddyholly
04-02-2007, 12:41 PM
I have met people who have told me they felt their lives had a meaning ever since they came to know me.

But that is just because you made them realise that they are not at the bottom of the heap.

buddyholly
04-02-2007, 12:47 PM
What should they write or say in your opinion? That some Bristish troops invaded territory of Iran?

Iran made public the co-ordinates of where the Brits were picked up - and these co-ordinates were actually in Iraqui waters!!!!!!:haha:

The good news for the Israelis is that when Iran finally does launch their nuclear missile, it will probably land in Mecca.
And the good news for the Saudis is that it will be a dud.

Black Adam
04-02-2007, 01:01 PM
But that is just because you made them realise that they are not at the bottom of the heap.
You didn't get me. My point is MTW is more useless compared to me. She is so self centered and always wants to have the most controversial opinion in every discussion:rolleyes:

If I make people realise they are better than what they think (and certainly not by letting tthink that there is worse than them) then I have actually accomplished something. I am always optmist and never look down on others. Mtw believes some guys shouldn't have been born whereas she is very high on that list.
My grandfather was among the American soldiers that "liberated" one of the concentration camps. It still haunted him 50 years later. We still don't know which camp because he would never talk about it.

To eliminate this from European history is nothing short of a crime. There is a VERY good reason that the Polish government allowed Birkenau to stay standing...because we can never allow people to forget what happened; what CAN happen.

It still gets me all churned up. And to eliminate it because a group of people doesn't believe it happened? Its complete bullshit. Shame on England for even allowing it.
Exactly what I was saying. Histroy should be ignored or only select the good parts. You can learn many things from the bad parts.

Suzi
04-02-2007, 01:07 PM
Every thing is so "PC" these days its ridiculous, in a couple of years we wont be able to speak at all, incase it might offend people !!!!! :(

Joyce_23
04-02-2007, 01:14 PM
That is tragic and I can't really think of a sane reason why ANY history teacher would not want to teach about the Holocaust. I will be a teacher in a couple of months and if my school told me not to talk about this subject I would walk out and not come back.

buddyholly
04-02-2007, 01:26 PM
Every thing is so "PC" these days its ridiculous, in a couple of years we wont be able to speak at all, incase it might offend people !!!!! :(

Didn't you once suggest to me that not being Chinese I should therefore not comment on China???????????????????????

buddyholly
04-02-2007, 01:27 PM
You didn't get me.

Oh, I got you alright!

Jim Jones
04-02-2007, 01:34 PM
Oh, I got you alright!

:lol: man you are a funny guy. Oh I noticed that you had Canas's avatar for a while. You stuck with him when he had the doping scandal good for you. He may tear up the clay court season.

Suzi
04-02-2007, 01:44 PM
Didn't you once suggest to me that not being Chinese I should therefore not comment on China???????????????????????

umm me thinks u have the wrong person

zicofirol
04-02-2007, 01:46 PM
You know, when you write something in this forum I want to vomite after reading it. You and this kapranos are living proofs, that abortion should be forced in some states.

haha, so I imagine you are in favor of the holocaust not being taught...

buddyholly
04-02-2007, 01:51 PM
umm me thinks u have the wrong person

OK SUZI - WRONG!!!!! (Get it? Suzi Wong!)

Profound apologies - I think I confused you with Mimi. It was a long time ago.

zicofirol
04-02-2007, 01:53 PM
The same kind of denial mentality seems to have infiltrated the BBC. I went to their website today, expecting the Iranian hostage crisis would naturally be the front page news item. But any mention of this is hidden and you have to search for it in other pages. Shame

the bbc is the same network that refused to call Saddam a dictator during the IRaq war because they didnt want to sound bisaed, so they called him leader instead, lmao, that is just ignoring reality...

Ironically the story they had on the bbc, is that the UK "regrets" the loss of life in the Faulklands war, but the article had an apologetic tone to it, and then they asked if the UK was "right" in responding with force to the invasion, lol, I wanted to start a thread about that but one thread is enough for now, haha...

jazar
04-02-2007, 02:02 PM
tis a load of bollocks. everyone should learn about it. it is an important part of history ad nd shouldnt be ignored or swept under the carpet

Suzi
04-02-2007, 02:04 PM
Didn't you once suggest to me that not being Chinese I should therefore not comment on China???????????????????????

:scratch: ummmm think u might have the wrong person here!! seeing i dun know much bout china anyways :p

AgassiDomination
04-02-2007, 02:11 PM
Can the UK be anymore Islamophobic?

jazar
04-02-2007, 02:20 PM
Can the UK be anymore Islamophobic?

yes. we can deport them all :devil:

Strangelove
04-02-2007, 02:35 PM
...and they will explain the "disappearance" of 6 million Jews how exactly?
Did they all take an NSDAP-sponsored mass-road-trip, mysteriously never to be heard from again? :retard:

Besides the sensitive subject-matter, it's horrendous to see society has come to the point where its educators are afraid to teach children the truth....
all because of religion..big thanks to whomever came up with that nifty little concept :rolleyes:

cobalt60
04-02-2007, 02:51 PM
My grandfather was among the American soldiers that "liberated" one of the concentration camps. It still haunted him 50 years later. We still don't know which camp because he would never talk about it.

To eliminate this from European history is nothing short of a crime. There is a VERY good reason that the Polish government allowed Birkenau to stay standing...because we can never allow people to forget what happened; what CAN happen.

It still gets me all churned up. And to eliminate it because a group of people doesn't believe it happened? Its complete bullshit. Shame on England for even allowing it.

And these are stories that we all need to share. Political correctness be damned. When I was in medical school, there was a holocaust memorial exhibition with pictures of concentration camp survivors. One that haunted me was of men at Aushwitz being liberated. I am just standing there looking at this picture feeling horrible but glad that my dad fought in WWII. Then this friend and classmate comes behind me and starts talking about how terrible it is to view these pictures. I asked him why? It is a good thing that we as Jews never forget. He replied " See that man? That's my father." I damned near cried.

guille&tati4life
04-02-2007, 03:04 PM
Seems like a dumb decision from these teachers.

cmurray
04-02-2007, 03:16 PM
And these are stories that we all need to share. Political correctness be damned. When I was in medical school, there was a holocaust memorial exhibition with pictures of concentration camp survivors. One that haunted me was of men at Aushwitz being liberated. I am just standing there looking at this picture feeling horrible but glad that my dad fought in WWII. Then this friend and classmate comes behind me and starts talking about how terrible it is to view these pictures. I asked him why? It is a good thing that we as Jews never forget. He replied " See that man? That's my father." I damned near cried.

Wow. I can only imagine how much more difficult it is as a Jew to see these things. I visited the Holocaust Museum in Washington a couple of years ago. I was a mess when I came out. Thinking about what those people endured, what my grandfather saw and had to clean up (even after the Nazis destroyed alot of the camps)...its like a punch in the gut every time.

Sunset of Age
04-02-2007, 03:21 PM
To make it even worse: it's not just England where this is happening. There have been reports about this weak behaviour by teachers in my country as well, and quite a lot of them! :mad:

Problem is, these teachers DO get violated and insulted very often by rabid muslims - if not the kids themselves, it's their parents. Don't get me wrong, that doesn't give an excuse, of course - but it's an obvious fact that doesn't make it easier for the individual teachers to stand up against it (not even beginning on the subject of gay teachers, who can barely come out for their sexual orientation at schools anymore nowadays because of these morons! :mad: :mad: :mad:)

I think governments should make a clear statement that 'hiding the TRUTH' for the sake of ill-informed minds having their brains infested by the religion-virus, is not allowed in any democratic country!

Sunset of Age
04-02-2007, 03:25 PM
That is tragic and I can't really think of a sane reason why ANY history teacher would not want to teach about the Holocaust. I will be a teacher in a couple of months and if my school told me not to talk about this subject I would walk out and not come back.

Remember schoolhead and teacher Hans van Wierden? He was SHOT to DEATH by one of these retards... only because he dared to give that guy the justified punishment for his obnoxious behaviour... :sad: :sad: :sad:

I really hope the government will take proper measures that something like that will NEVER happen again, and that all teachers indeed can teach their pupils the TRUTH as it happened!

Sofonda Cox
04-02-2007, 03:29 PM
You know, when you write something in this forum I want to vomite after reading it. You and this kapranos are living proofs, that abortion should be forced in some states.

:haha: :haha: :haha:

i think you are more intelligent than you make out ;)

savesthedizzle
04-02-2007, 03:35 PM
Wow. I can only imagine how much more difficult it is as a Jew to see these things. I visited the Holocaust Museum in Washington a couple of years ago. I was a mess when I came out. Thinking about what those people endured, what my grandfather saw and had to clean up (even after the Nazis destroyed alot of the camps)...its like a punch in the gut every time.

I went to Germany when I was 15 and visited Buchenwald, and as you went through the museum and just looked around the grounds, really all you could do was just cry. Those events cannot be forgotten. By not teaching the Holocaust, those teachers are supporting the notion that those events never happened, and the other students in the class who do not hold those beliefs are being robbed of a proper education.

embellish
04-02-2007, 04:11 PM
The same kind of denial mentality seems to have infiltrated the BBC. I went to their website today, expecting the Iranian hostage crisis would naturally be the front page news item. But any mention of this is hidden and you have to search for it in other pages. Shame

:confused: Its right there on the top of the front page.

On the teaching of the Holocaust, supposedly its 'protected'.
I don't think that teachers should be able to drop subjects simply because they are emotive or controversial, thats the type of history we learn the most from.

A Department of Education and Skills spokesman said there was scope for schools to make their own decision on what to teach within the national curriculum

But he added: "Teaching of the Holocaust is already compulsory in schools at KS3. It will remain so in the new KS3 curriculum from September 2008.

"As Alan Johnson made clear in January there are certain subjects which will be protected in the new curriculum and that includes the Holocaust."


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/6517359.stm

zicofirol
04-02-2007, 06:12 PM
Besides the sensitive subject-matter, it's horrendous to see society has come to the point where its educators are afraid to teach children the truth....
all because of religion..big thanks to whomever came up with that nifty little concept :rolleyes:
yes, but we must not judge islam, its is a religion of peace and immune from criticism...


Problem is, these teachers DO get violated and insulted very often by rabid muslims - if not the kids themselves, it's their parents. Don't get me wrong, that doesn't give an excuse, of course - but it's an obvious fact that doesn't make it easier for the individual teachers to stand up against it (not even beginning on the subject of gay teachers, who can barely come out for their sexual orientation at schools anymore nowadays because of these morons! ) yes, when the government fails to protect its teachers from students who misbehave or just by taking any discipline power away from teachers, then it is quite reasonable for them to be scared, besides we have seen numerous times how muslims react to criticism of Islam, and I would be scared two...


i think you are more intelligent than you make out you know in every thread criticizing islam, or just pointing out a story like this one, you come in say the usual, "this thread is stupid" line and then go, but the reason you do that is because you know there is no way in hell you can defend that retarded religion which you, presumably, hold on to so dearly, or at least defend. You know its just stories made up by some crazy guy about 1500 years ago, you know its a religion that subjugates woman, limit's man freedom and is completely anti-reason, its basically indefensible...

danton
04-02-2007, 06:23 PM
Why would it offend Muslims - the Holocaust was nothing to do with them. Because of Palestine teachers have to stay away from topics involving Jews?

I'm embarrassed to be British and to those thinking this is a joke - it happens all the time in Blairs 'it's no ones fault, lets make everyone happy and no one is offended PC dictatorship'.
In the papers today a 10 year old was interviewed at home by two police for calling another kid 'gay' in the playground. OK the behaviour wasn't big and clever but did it really merit two policemen espcially given so many other crimes are just given a number for insurance claims and are not investigated.

I resent the way society panders to religions.

MissPovaFan
04-02-2007, 06:25 PM
Why would it offend Muslims - the Holocaust was nothing to do with them. Because of Palestine teachers have to stay away from topics involving Jews?

I'm embarrassed to be British and to those thinking this is a joke - it happens all the time in Blairs 'it's no ones fault, lets make everyone happy and no one is offended PC dictatorship'.
In the papers today a 10 year old was interviewed at home by two police for calling another kid 'gay' in the playground. OK the behaviour wasn't big and clever but did it really merit two policemen espcially given so many other crimes are just given a number for insurance claims and are not investigated.

I resent the way society panders to religions.

It certainly wouldn't offend the Muslims - this PC bullshit is just creating jobs for pathetic beings! I do hope when Labour are voted out in the next election that Cameron gets rid of the PC crap once and for all!

If anyone criticised me for not being PC, I'd tell them straight to f**k off! :mad:

Sofonda Cox
04-02-2007, 06:40 PM
you know in every thread criticizing islam, or just pointing out a story like this one, you come in say the usual, "this thread is stupid" line and then go, but the reason you do that is because you know there is no way in hell you can defend that retarded religion which you, presumably, hold on to so dearly, or at least defend. You know its just stories made up by some crazy guy about 1500 years ago, you know its a religion that subjugates woman, limit's man freedom and is completely anti-reason, its basically indefensible...

since when have i done that moron??????? i dont give a crap about these type of threads - was just pointing out that MTW's post was funny :rolleyes:

FluffyYellowBall
04-02-2007, 07:10 PM
THIS IS FUNNY BECAUSE IIIIII LEARNED ABoUT IT!!! hhaha!! ratards. only 5 ppl in my class r non muslim. Im in an american school but still a muslm country. We get into these contreversial things all the time but we dont get offended coz there are other thing that offend other religions

MissPovaFan
04-02-2007, 07:20 PM
THIS IS FUNNY BECAUSE IIIIII LEARNED ABoUT IT!!! hhaha!! ratards. only 5 ppl in my class r non muslim. Im in an american school but still a muslm country. We get into these contreversial things all the time but we dont get offended coz there are other thing that offend other religions

Yep exactly! There are way too many PC people who have become over-sensitive since the 11/9 attacks. I'm totally against any form of racism but pussy footing around issues trying to to slightly offend people is ridiculous!

Chris 84
04-02-2007, 07:21 PM
I think this is a sensationalist story.

The Daily Mail is a very right wing tabloid which has taken a very anti-Muslim stance over the past few years, and is generally a xenophobic newspaper. I amn't denying that this report occurred or that it may be worrying, but the Mail is putting it's own slant on it.

WW2 and the Holocaust is on the curriculum in Scotland (which has a seperate educational system from England) and is taught in practically all schools. It is taught in most English schools too, as far as I know.

MissPovaFan
04-02-2007, 07:46 PM
I think this is a sensationalist story.

The Daily Mail is a very right wing tabloid which has taken a very anti-Muslim stance over the past few years, and is generally a xenophobic newspaper. I amn't denying that this report occurred or that it may be worrying, but the Mail is putting it's own slant on it.

WW2 and the Holocaust is on the curriculum in Scotland (which has a seperate educational system from England) and is taught in practically all schools. It is taught in most English schools too, as far as I know.

The Daily Mail are just capitalising on a story which it's readers want to hear. You can't blame them for this - leftist newspapers such as the Mirror and Guardian also do this... (although the Mirror has toned down the past year or so)

Whatever has happened in history MUST be taught and the current affairs and world politics should not influence this.

Chris 84
04-02-2007, 08:28 PM
The Daily Mail are just capitalising on a story which it's readers want to hear. You can't blame them for this - leftist newspapers such as the Mirror and Guardian also do this... (although the Mirror has toned down the past year or so)

Whatever has happened in history MUST be taught and the current affairs and world politics should not influence this.

I agree, but I think history is taught in an acceptable manner at the moment.

Strangelove
04-02-2007, 08:40 PM
yes, but we must not judge islam, its is a religion of peace and immune from criticism...Sure it is.

Not that I was judging Islam. I was judging religion as a general concept. It sucks.

FluffyYellowBall
04-02-2007, 09:04 PM
Sure it is.

Not that I was judging Islam. I was judging religion as a general concept. It sucks.

It sucks because of the way (all religions) are portrayed on tv. I bet some people here think i deal with crazy fundementalists in everyday life.

zicofirol
04-02-2007, 10:11 PM
It sucks because of the way (all religions) are portrayed on tv. I bet some people here think i deal with crazy fundementalists in everyday life.

are you serious, the tv portrays religion in a good way, because most of society is religious you cant really go after religion like we should.

Religion is anti-reason, nuff said...

FluffyYellowBall
04-02-2007, 11:08 PM
are you serious, the tv portrays religion in a good way, because most of society is religious you cant really go after religion like we should.

Religion is anti-reason, nuff said...

HUH??!!! U seriously think that most muslim countries live the way you see it? Have u ever been to a muslim country? You'd be really shocked!
How doe sthe media portray religion in a good way? U think everytime i walk into a supermarket i have the fear that someone might be suicidal? I dont think i know of a normal muslim that doesnt critisize those "muslims" u see on tv.

There isnt a single religion that would support whats going on these days.

MissPovaFan
04-02-2007, 11:31 PM
I agree, but I think history is taught in an acceptable manner at the moment.

Yes that's true unless they start getting PC about the topics ;) Which I wouldn't be surprised at the way England is going!

HUH??!!! U seriously think that most muslim countries live the way you see it? Have u ever been to a muslim country? You'd be really shocked!
How doe sthe media portray religion in a good way? U think everytime i walk into a supermarket i have the fear that someone might be suicidal? I dont think i know of a normal muslim that doesnt critisize those "muslims" u see on tv.

There isnt a single religion that would support whats going on these days.

That's true but to be fair I'd say on the whole the western media try and distance Islam from the extremists. It is generally the lesser educated members of society who jump on anti-Islamic bandwagons.

Sparko1030
04-03-2007, 04:50 AM
What? Its ok to offend the Germans all these years but not the Muslims? :lol:
Avoiding the truth doesn't change it. Better to air diffeneces in school than in later as adults....Very sad comment on the times if its true.

I would guess there is more ( or less) to the story than it seems. Always look at the source before and taking it as the truth and look for other sources giving the same info. If it is true though, it will lead to more trouble in the future than is "saves" now.

TMJordan
04-03-2007, 04:54 AM
I would voice my opinion on the Muslim's but I would most likley be banned :devil:

Action Jackson
04-03-2007, 04:55 AM
It certainly wouldn't offend the Muslims - this PC bullshit is just creating jobs for pathetic beings! I do hope when Labour are voted out in the next election that Cameron gets rid of the PC crap once and for all!

If anyone criticised me for not being PC, I'd tell them straight to f**k off! :mad:

The bigger problem I have with you is not acknowledging you are Welsh or whatever reason.

Action Jackson
04-03-2007, 04:58 AM
Well it's not like this event didn't happen. Though there are plenty of Holocaust deniers out there, who have labelled it the "Holohoax" and believe it.

People have to acknowledge that not all parts of history are rosy, but this is not the way usually, just deny and hide it, seems to be the manner.

As for being offensive to Muslims, well religious fundamentalism is offensive to me no matter who practices it.

its.like.that
04-03-2007, 05:16 AM
The Holocaust never happened :o.

Those Jews are always whining about something.

R.Federer
04-03-2007, 05:20 AM
Next year they will be teaching that Germany won the war!


HUH?? What do you mean? They did. No? NO? That's what I was taught!

R.Federer
04-03-2007, 05:23 AM
Well, this could not work in Switzerland, where it is illegal to deny the Holocaust (you WILL be legally liable if you said that and you WILL be imprisoned).

Although I understand the sentiment behind this particular Swiss law, this is an unfortunate way of having to deal with it.

JBdV
04-03-2007, 07:12 AM
OK, Islam is the root of all evil today, we got the point already. Is there really any need to start a new thread like this every week?? :retard: :retard: :retard:
Why don't you just start an "Islamophobes chat thread" or something? Looks like it would be very popular :yeah:

Action Jackson
04-03-2007, 07:23 AM
Is there really any need to start a new thread like this every week?? :retard: :retard: :retard:
Why don't you just start an "Islamophobes chat thread" or something? Looks like it would be very popular :yeah:

It would be easier if that was the case.

buddyholly
04-03-2007, 12:32 PM
HUH?? What do you mean? They did. No? NO? That's what I was taught!

You're thinking of World Cup.

buddyholly
04-03-2007, 12:42 PM
OK, Islam is the root of all evil today, we got the point already. Is there really any need to start a new thread like this every week?? :retard: :retard: :retard:
Why don't you just start an "Islamophobes chat thread" or something? Looks like it would be very popular :yeah:

One of the goals of Islamic fundamentalism is to have the younger generations in the rest of the world close their eyes and pretend there is no threat from their agenda. You are a submissive pupil.

Jim Jones
04-03-2007, 01:03 PM
OK, Islam is the root of all evil today, we got the point already. Is there really any need to start a new thread like this every week?? :retard: :retard: :retard:
Why don't you just start an "Islamophobes chat thread" or something? Looks like it would be very popular :yeah:

there is clearly friction between the islamic world and the rest. by rest I lump all the non muslim world. Look what is going on in non western nations such as Thailand in the south, India in Kashmir etc....
As Samuel Huntington wisely said it is a clash of civilzations. Some people get insulted by such a term. Why? Huntington is not insulting either the western world or the islamic world. He is just saying that these 2 groups have values that are very different. We should agree with this.

Black Adam
04-03-2007, 01:20 PM
In this clash of civillisations how does one come to the conclusion that Islam is the worse of the two evils. They seem to be equally evil imo.

The suicide bombers are generate greenhouse gases on daily basis in our atmophere whilst the West(supposedly to have a clean slate) generates 100 times more daily just to richen and faten itself. The islam dudes are killing each other (solving their problems of over population)but at least they aren't killing the planet.

The Americans killed exterminated 10 million Red Indians, the Germans killed 6 millions Jews. And some nutcases in Europe want this to be ignored??!! Because it will not go well with the muslims?? I think that we should teach of events like this and not hide them like the way the Red Indian extermination was hiden.

I could go on for hours telling you the ugly things the West and Islam have done, but it's pointless because we already know that each side has done and is doing it's equal fair of damage and ugly stuff.

Jim Jones
04-03-2007, 01:54 PM
In this clash of civillisations how does one come to the conclusion that Islam is the worse of the two evils. They seem to be equally evil imo.

The suicide bombers are generate greenhouse gases on daily basis in our atmophere whilst the West(supposedly to have a clean slate) generates 100 times more daily just to richen and faten itself. The islam dudes are killing each other (solving their problems of over population)but at least they aren't killing the planet.

The Americans killed exterminated 10 million Red Indians, the Germans killed 6 millions Jews. And some nutcases in Europe want this to be ignored??!! Because it will not go well with the muslims?? I think that we should teach of events like this and not hide them like the way the Red Indian extermination was hiden.

I could go on for hours telling you the ugly things the West and Islam have done, but it's pointless because we already know that each side has done and is doing it's equal fair of damage and ugly stuff.

I agree with your last sentence. With regards to your first sentence I said that huntington did not mean to say that one side was more evil then the other one. They are just different, period.

As for the americans killing red Indians I think that both sides were at fault. The red Indians were also killing Indians of different tribes. But yes genocide knows no boundaries. So butchers can be Christians, Muslims, Atheists (commies), Buddhists, Hindus etc... After all, all of these belong to the human race. ;)

zicofirol
04-03-2007, 02:00 PM
In this clash of civillisations how does one come to the conclusion that Islam is the worse of the two evils. They seem to be equally evil imo.

The suicide bombers are generate greenhouse gases on daily basis in our atmophere whilst the West(supposedly to have a clean slate) generates 100 times more daily just to richen and faten itself. The islam dudes are killing each other (solving their problems of over population)but at least they aren't killing the planet.

The Americans killed exterminated 10 million Red Indians, the Germans killed 6 millions Jews. And some nutcases in Europe want this to be ignored??!! Because it will not go well with the muslims?? I think that we should teach of events like this and not hide them like the way the Red Indian extermination was hiden.

I could go on for hours telling you the ugly things the West and Islam have done, but it's pointless because we already know that each side has done and is doing it's equal fair of damage and ugly stuff.

wow, just wow...

If you cannot see the difference between a suicide bomber and a farmer that produces more greenhouse effect, then the only conclusion is you hate western values.

No one denies that western nations have done bad things(BTW I dont think there where that many indians in the US to begin with) but that does not mean western values and ideals aren't vastly superior to 600AC ideals... Lets compare nations that have, for the most part, adopted western values against islamic nations...

The same with the Roman empire and the Greek empire, they did many bad things but they also where superior than any culture that preceded and followed them up until the "Age of Enlightenment"

alelysafina
04-07-2007, 09:39 AM
In this clash of civillisations how does one come to the conclusion that Islam is the worse of the two evils. They seem to be equally evil imo.

The suicide bombers are generate greenhouse gases on daily basis in our atmophere whilst the West(supposedly to have a clean slate) generates 100 times more daily just to richen and faten itself. The islam dudes are killing each other (solving their problems of over population)but at least they aren't killing the planet.

The Americans killed exterminated 10 million Red Indians, the Germans killed 6 millions Jews. And some nutcases in Europe want this to be ignored??!! Because it will not go well with the muslims?? I think that we should teach of events like this and not hide them like the way the Red Indian extermination was hiden.

I could go on for hours telling you the ugly things the West and Islam have done, but it's pointless because we already know that each side has done and is doing it's equal fair of damage and ugly stuff.


But we've stopped denying it, kids learn all about it in school at a very young age. They know that the Native Americans (not red indians) Got a bad deal and the government has been trying to make it up... have you seen how many tribes own casinos in california?!!? ;)

alelysafina
04-07-2007, 09:42 AM
But in all seriousness, it's a pure travesty that teachers are doing this. I met Holocaust survivors when I was in year six and just hearing their stories, what they've come through and all they've lost, make you really appreciate what you have and realize how important it is to make sure history is never repeated be it with the jews or any other peoples. The only way we can do this is to teach every generation about it, make sure it resonates with in them.