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Australian Open: Grass to rubber-to hard court? (The Age, March 28, 2007)

kobulingam
02-22-2007, 02:40 AM
http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,21131668-5001023,00.html

Bring back the grass!!!

zicofirol
02-22-2007, 02:53 AM
grass would be great, since there are no MS tournaments on grass, 2 majors would be pretty cool...

or a US open fast surface would also be good...

*Viva Chile*
02-22-2007, 03:06 AM
As if any current australian player could win the AO on grass today :haha:

I found very difficult that they bring back the grass AO courts. And if they do it, the AO will go down and non aussie players will tend to not play there, like it happened in the 70's and 80's. Grass is not a surface that many players could play there, with Wimbledon is enough.

zicofirol
02-22-2007, 03:14 AM
As if any current australian player could win the AO on grass today :haha:

I found very difficult that they bring back the grass AO courts. And if they do it, the AO will go down and non aussie players will tend to not play there, like it happened in the 70's and 80's. Grass is not a surface that many players could play there, with Wimbledon is enough.

lol AO wont go down, they would play there, its tournaments in preparation for AO, the reaosn why players didnt play there was the distance,it had nothing to do with the grass... besies what "players" would not play there, gaudio, massu, montanes?? what a loss... name me a top 30 that would not show up?
Plus it would help weed out the robredos' and davydenko's of the top 10, which is always good...

ps. dont bring your bias towards clay into this, some people like to see players actually come up to the net, and not play 15 ft behind the baseline...

Merton
02-22-2007, 03:33 AM
[QUOTE]When we have the facts and the numbers we'll be able to say, 'Here is the surface, this is the surface that's affordable, that's the lowest amount of maintenance, there are minimal environmental issues[QUOTE]

That pretty much rules out grass, so it is a question of what version of hard court they will adopt.

Deboogle!.
02-22-2007, 03:43 AM
great news. Goodbye excessive twisted ankles and knees, good riddance! If they want a surface that plays similarly to Rebound Ace without the problems, they should talk to whoever runs Miami.

Hendu
02-22-2007, 03:44 AM
Yes, bring back the grass in AO and and the clay in the USO!

that would be funny... :p

*Viva Chile*
02-22-2007, 03:56 AM
ps. dont bring your bias towards clay into this, some people like to see players actually come up to the net, and not play 15 ft behind the baseline...

Where I mention clay on my previous post??? :cuckoo:
Or you are developing clarividence or telepathy nowadays?? too much Heroes are you viewing it seems :p

zicofirol
02-22-2007, 04:59 AM
Where I mention clay on my previous post??? :cuckoo:
Or you are developing clarividence or telepathy nowadays?? too much Heroes are you viewing it seems :p

NO, I have the power of flight not telepathy!!

you seemed offended by the idea of grass, and you are or root for chileans=very good chance your favorite surface is clay..

I would like to see synthetic grass at least for one tourney, if not put the USO hard court out there...

Action Jackson
02-22-2007, 05:02 AM
great news. Goodbye excessive twisted ankles and knees, good riddance! If they want a surface that plays similarly to Rebound Ace without the problems, they should talk to whoever runs Miami.

Grass will never happen at the AO again, they will just bring in decoturf.

Say hello to more hip and joint soreness.

zicofirol
02-22-2007, 05:05 AM
Does anyone know if scientifically or medically speaking, grass is the best for the body out of all the surfaces? it would seem to me it would be, in terms of less injuries and putting less stress on the ankle, knee etc.

Action Jackson
02-22-2007, 05:13 AM
Does anyone know if scientifically or medically speaking, grass is the best for the body out of all the surfaces? it would seem to me it would be, in terms of less injuries and putting less stress on the ankle, knee etc.

Actually clay is the best on the body when it comes to the joint soreness and wear and tear. It's not the surface that's the problem with clay, it's the average length of points and the endurance required.

NYCtennisfan
02-22-2007, 05:33 AM
I remember the grass at the old AO tournaments--the ball barely bounced up. It was impossible for there to even be a rally fromt he back of the court.

I don't like the Rebound Ace, but if they adopt the same surface at the USO, it will be somewhat boring. The AO's slow surface and high bounce has definitely been a different test for the players on tour.

nobama
02-22-2007, 05:50 AM
What's the surface used at IW and Miami? Like Deb said, couldn't they use something like that?

Jimnik
02-22-2007, 08:02 AM
The Miami surface would be good, as long as they stick to a relatively slow surface. The last thing we need is to go back to 3 slams with fast surfaces.

Green American-style clay could also be interesting.

CmonAussie
02-22-2007, 08:06 AM
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Some kind of outdoor carpet would be cool if they could make it work??!!

alfonsojose
02-22-2007, 07:16 PM
Dry Koala shit :D

alfonsojose
02-22-2007, 07:19 PM
Green American-style clay could also be interesting.
:yeah:

R.Federer
02-22-2007, 08:01 PM
It is nice to have all 4 slams on different surfaces, there is a sense that you have to prove yourself on all 4. It doesn't give any one player who specializes a definite advantage. I hope they find something that does not resemble any of the others too closely.

shotgun
02-22-2007, 08:08 PM
I liked Rebound Ace. I hope they pick a slow, bouncy hard surface, like the one used in Miami TMS.

A GS on indoor carpet would be great, but that's just not going to happen. :lol:

joeb_uk
02-24-2007, 12:54 AM
A shame there aren't more rebound A courts, I mean its the most interesting surface to watch matches on apart from clay. Far more interesting than that pile of shit used at places like US Open, that isn't much better than the local courts down the road from me.

GlennMirnyi
02-24-2007, 01:06 AM
I hope they put some decent surface like the US Open one, so it plays faster.

sondraj06
02-24-2007, 01:07 AM
All I know about courts are the ones you can see the ball on t.v good, like australian and u.s and the ones where you have to have a telescope to see the balls on t.v like at the french and wimby

smucav
03-29-2007, 12:03 AM
http://www.theage.com.au/news/tennis/grass-to-rubber--to-hard-court/2007/03/27/1174761471930.htmlGrass to rubber - to hard court?
Linda Pearce
March 28, 2007
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TWENTY years after moving the Australian Open tennis tournament off grass, administrators are poised to switch surfaces again — with rubberised Rebound Ace expected to be replaced with a hard court.

Despite a cost in millions of dollars to dump the playing surface — most famously criticised by Australian former world No. 1 Lleyton Hewitt — it is believed Tennis Australia is poised to make the switch, as early as 2008, in a quest to find a "national surface" embraced by all levels of the game.

"There's an excellent chance they will get rid of Rebound Ace; it's just whether they can do something for 2008," a source told The Age yesterday. "They will be putting a hard-court surface in and they are looking at a couple of different ones."

Cost and playing characteristics have been factors behind Rebound Ace's failure to gain universal acceptance in Australia since it was used as the Melbourne Park surface when the Open moved there from Kooyong's grass in 1988.

Asked if a decision had been made to scrap Rebound Ace, Tennis Australia chief executive Steve Wood said: "Not that I know of."

"We are going through an evaluation of our court surfaces and that's under way as we speak, but that's not the situation.

"We've got tenders looking at what they might be able to offer, but Rebound Ace were the original supplier, so they're certainly involved."

Mr Woods said the Open surface was reviewed annually but the review was "a little bit deeper this year", because of the courts' age.

A Rebound Ace spokesman said the Brisbane-based company was "certainly still in (the tender process) as much as anybody else".

Any switch would have widespread implications, as Rebound Ace — laid in the backyards of the likes of Hewitt and former champion Tony Roche — is used at every major Australian tournament. One important timing issue is the building of a new $77 million centre in Brisbane to host an international-tour tournament from 2009.

Australian Open tournament director Craig Tiley said the surface decision was about "surfaces across Australia, not just Melbourne Park".

Rebound Ace has been criticised for holding heat and being sticky — perhaps injuriously so — underfoot, and for being slow and producing a high bounce.

Partly due to drought, local clubs and centres increasingly are installing synthetic surfaces. But at $70,000 to 75,000 for a new court, Rebound Ace has been laid sparingly. So-called hard courts cost about half as much.

A surface similar to the Decoturf II hard court of the United States Open is believed to be favoured, although cushioning will be needed to distinguish Australia's surface.

bluefork
03-29-2007, 12:41 AM
If they do end up changing it, I hope they don't pick a surface too similar to the U.S. Open's. Even though rebound ace has been one of the more dangerous surfaces, it provides a nice contrast to the other slam surfaces.

CyBorg
03-29-2007, 12:41 AM
I vote grass.

(of course my vote doesn't count for much)

~EMiLiTA~
03-29-2007, 01:27 AM
it would be so stupid to make it similar to USO

kobulingam
03-29-2007, 01:30 AM
it would be so stupid to make it similar to USO

Deco can be varied a lot. Australia can switch to a hardcourt that's as slow as RA.

Byrd
03-29-2007, 01:36 AM
They should just pick a court that plays like Miami, slow but less chance of injuries.

Kolya
04-02-2007, 08:51 AM
http://www.eurosport.com/tennis/australian-open/2007/sport_sto1136617.shtml

Ferrero Forever
04-02-2007, 09:02 AM
Man, that sounds like it could actually be true. I don't know whether i'm for it or not to be honest. Thanks for the article though Koyla

Adler
04-02-2007, 09:05 AM
Isn't it just another prima aprilis joke?

Kolya
04-02-2007, 09:07 AM
Joke? What? It was reported on Eurosport.

Ferrero Forever
04-02-2007, 09:09 AM
Joke? What? It was reported on Eurosport.

Yeah, and it mentioned 'The Age' which is one of Melbourne's most respected papers.

pistolmarat
04-02-2007, 09:13 AM
Australian Open to change surface?
oh yes, please:hearts:

Jimnik
04-02-2007, 09:15 AM
Unfortunately, this looks very likely now. I hope they can keep the speed of the courts roughly the same as before.

Ferrero Forever
04-02-2007, 09:17 AM
I really hope they're not doing this just because of Lleyton Hewitt and the other useless Australian players. The surface they replace it with will be slightly faster yeah?

Mateya
04-02-2007, 09:30 AM
I hope its gonna be a lot faster. I am sick of this slow hard(clay)courts :shout: sometimes are even soft, to twist an ankle even easier :fiery:

And its really gonna suit Hewitt, :rocker: faster is better for him.

jitterbug
04-02-2007, 09:34 AM
It's not an April Fool's thing. This is the original article (http://www.theage.com.au/news/tennis/grass-to-rubber--to-hard-court/2007/03/27/1174761471930.html).

Kolya
04-02-2007, 09:36 AM
Thanks Jitterbug.

The_Nadal_effect
04-02-2007, 09:38 AM
THe USO is already a fast hard court! What's the point in having another fast hard-court?

SwiSha
04-02-2007, 09:41 AM
I hope its gonna be a lot faster. I am sick of this slow hard(clay)courts :shout: sometimes are even soft, to twist an ankle even easier :fiery:

And its really gonna suit Hewitt, :rocker: faster is better for him.

u wanna see more Ivo Karlovic tennis lmao

Burrow
04-02-2007, 09:55 AM
THe USO is already a fast hard court! What's the point in having another fast hard-court?

I was thinking that, and I dunno why they would change.

jazar
04-02-2007, 10:00 AM
they shouldnt listen to what lleyton hewitt and serena williams think. keep it on rebound ace

Adler
04-02-2007, 10:03 AM
Rebound Ace should remain! At the moment we've got 4 slams on 4 different surfaces. Besides, RA isn't that bad for fast court admirers : Hewitt played in the final, and Roddick twice in the semis, while Nadal's best results at AO and USO is the same

Adler
04-02-2007, 10:04 AM
And they complain at the blisters. Come on, US decoturf is exhausting for legs too, so that's not an argument for me

supertommyhaas
04-02-2007, 10:04 AM
i recon they should change the australian open to an indoor hardcourt. there should be an indoor grandslam, prefebly the ao because rod laver and vodafone already have roofs, it would be quicker to build than the us because of that. THAT WOULD BE GREAT!!!!

Adler
04-02-2007, 10:09 AM
i recon they should change the australian open to an indoor hardcourt. there should be an indoor grandslam, prefebly the ao because rod laver and vodafone already have roofs, it would be quicker to build than the us because of that. THAT WOULD BE GREAT!!!!
not a bad idea. besides, those heats are really exhausting (Canas may die)

jitterbug
04-02-2007, 10:12 AM
I think the main concern should be the effect of the surface on the player's health first, then the relative speed second. From the stuff floating around in the media it seemed that Rebound Ace is abnormally injurious compared to other hard surfaces.

Then again, that's the whole point of Tennis Australia doing a re-evaluation.

nobama
04-02-2007, 10:38 AM
Does it have to be Rebound Ace though? IW and Miami are slower hard courts and neither of those surfaces are RA.

The_Nadal_effect
04-02-2007, 10:41 AM
:lol: they shouldnt listen to what lleyton hewitt and serena williams think. keep it on rebound ace

:lol: Yeah! I'm sure ol' Leyton has a hand in this! His last chance for a grand slam...perhaps!

Besides, even from the RAfa point-of-view, its not good news, no? He's been practicing so hard to get used to rebound ace, and now they've decided to change it.

nobama
04-02-2007, 10:56 AM
:lol:

:lol: Yeah! I'm sure ol' Leyton has a hand in this! His last chance for a grand slam...perhaps!

Besides, even from the RAfa point-of-view, its not good news, no? He's been practicing so hard to get used to rebound ace, and now they've decided to change it.
Yeah but if it's bad for the feet that's not good for Nadal, is it? He's certainly had his share of ongoing foot problems.

The_Nadal_effect
04-02-2007, 11:01 AM
All too true, Mirka...all too true.
Spartan as he is, Rafa's feet are turning out to be the 'Achilles Heel' in his career.

Ferrero Forever
04-02-2007, 11:14 AM
I personally would love indoor clay. I've got no idea how that would work, but clay because my faves would hang around for longer at a tournament which I could attend live, and indoor, because anyone who's been to the AO on a 40+ degree day knows how awful it is. That to me would benefit the player's health more than changing the surface.

The_Nadal_effect
04-02-2007, 01:31 PM
Besides, if they are going indoor, they should seriously go for carpet!

brent-o
04-02-2007, 05:47 PM
They should use the surface that they use for the women's tournament at Charleston. Har-Tru, I think it's called?

Burrow
04-02-2007, 05:59 PM
well safins chances of winning the AO are even more in doubt.

Burrow
04-02-2007, 06:01 PM
Besides, if they are going indoor, they should seriously go for carpet!

Indoor green carpet :hearts: :hearts: :hearts:

Jimnik
04-02-2007, 06:11 PM
Why not let the fans decide for once? Vote which of the grand slam surfaces are the best. My vote would go to rebound ace.

jazar
04-02-2007, 06:12 PM
they should play it on astroturf, or maybe even wood

MisterQ
04-02-2007, 07:13 PM
I like the tennis we have seen on rebound ace. I like the fact that it is similar to the hardcourts used the rest of the year (so it doesn't seem like a total anomaly), while retaining its own distinct qualities that must be mastered.

Are there statistics on the rate of injury for rebound ace vs. other hardcourt surfaces? It seems like there are ways to move on rebound ace, just as there are ways to move on clay... those champions with precise footwork haven't had a lot of ankle problems. Of course, many of those champions have the ability to take the ball early and dictate, so they aren't lunging around the court quite as much (Agassi, Seles, Hingis, for example).

As a fan, I would like rebound ace to stay. But if the players in general feel unsafe, I can understand a change. Changing the surface type for the purpose of benefiting Australian tennis in particular seems a bit extreme, though. Surely the current dearth of top players does not stem primarily from this court surface.

shotgun
04-02-2007, 07:39 PM
Well if the goal is to benefit Aussie players, then make the AO on synthetic grass. :silly:

R.Federer
04-02-2007, 07:44 PM
Are there statistics on the rate of injury for rebound ace vs. other hardcourt surfaces? It seems like there are ways to move on rebound ace, just as there are ways to move on clay... those champions with precise footwork haven't had a lot of ankle problems.
It is hard to compare and attribute only to surface, because rebound comes after the off season and the USO comes after enoughh warm up hardcourt tennis has been played in the year.

Changing the surface type for the purpose of benefiting Australian tennis in particular seems a bit extreme, though. Surely the current dearth of top players does not stem primarily from this court surface.

I think that would be parity, the USO has also sped up their courts to suit US players, haven't they? In both cases, I don't think it's a bad move. The USTA is meant to support its players as is Tennis Australia (although the latter's behavior has not suggested that always).

MisterQ
04-02-2007, 07:47 PM
I think that would be parity, the USO has also sped up their courts to suit US players, isn't it?

:)

It's one thing to change the speed -- these have always varied over time, on all surfaces. It's quite another to change the surface type itself.

R.Federer
04-02-2007, 07:55 PM
:)

It's one thing to change the speed -- these have always varied over time, on all surfaces. It's quite another to change the surface type itself.

There are at least two precedents for complete overhaul; AO - they did move it from grass to rebound once, as did the USO I think (grass to hard).

Whatever it takes to cultivate a homegrown champ. :D

NyGeL
04-02-2007, 09:22 PM
I would like to see a change to Grass :)

but I'm sure that is not going to happend.

Bloodletting
04-02-2007, 10:15 PM
NO, I have the power of flight not telepathy!!

you seemed offended by the idea of grass, and you are or root for chileans=very good chance your favorite surface is clay..

I would like to see synthetic grass at least for one tourney, if not put the USO hard court out there...

I root for chileans sometimes, but I despise clay and love grass matches.

nobama
04-02-2007, 10:15 PM
There are at least two precedents for complete overhaul; AO - they did move it from grass to rebound once, as did the USO I think (grass to hard).

Whatever it takes to cultivate a homegrown champ. :D
Do we know they're looking into this change just to benefit Aussie players? Of course they would never admit that. But you do hear complaints about the RA surface. I haven't heard many (if any) complaints about the surface used in Miami, so why not use that surface? Isn't the speed/bounce close to what it is on RA?

R.Federer
04-02-2007, 11:06 PM
Do we know they're looking into this change just to benefit Aussie players? Of course they would never admit that. But you do hear complaints about the RA surface. I haven't heard many (if any) complaints about the surface used in Miami, so why not use that surface? Isn't the speed/bounce close to what it is on RA?

I have no idea about their true intentions. However, with their other stated considerations (cheap, easy to maintain) I think it is a safe guess that clay is not going to be an option. I don't see why they should choose the Miami surface because of its likeness to RA. They are trying to get away from Rebound. Maybe it's playing speed has something to do with it.

However, one of the most important things is the development of a national surface conducive to participation and everyday play and also to the development of champions.

nobama
04-02-2007, 11:35 PM
I have no idea about their true intentions. However, with their other stated considerations (cheap, easy to maintain) I think it is a safe guess that clay is not going to be an option. I don't see why they should choose the Miami surface because of its likeness to RA. They are trying to get away from Rebound. Maybe it's playing speed has something to do with it.All I'm saying is wouldn't that be a way to get rid of some of the negative attributes of RA but be able to keep the playing speed/bounce the same? Has there been any credible news suggesting it's TA's intention to change the speed of the court? :shrug:

R.Federer
04-02-2007, 11:59 PM
All I'm saying is wouldn't that be a way to get rid of some of the negative attributes of RA but be able to keep the playing speed/bounce the same? Has there been any credible news suggesting it's TA's intention to change the speed of the court? :shrug:

Yes I understand. However, I don't see why they need to keep it similar to Rebound in any dimension when they are going to change it at all. If they're changing, they can go in several directions. Keeping something like rebound without being rebound is only one option, but I don't see why that is an obvious choice in any way. If they want to make it a hardcourt they are going to need to resurface it altogether, so it does not help that that is "similar" to rebound, if in fact it is.

As the article indicates, they want participation, cost effective, easy maintenance, and development of home champions.

LinkMage
04-03-2007, 12:17 AM
I hope they don't change it as all the Slams should have different surfaces. Each GS should require a different set of skills and that is what makes such a difficult feat to win every GS. But if they do change it, I hope they put a slow hard court like in Miami or Indian Wells and not a fast hard court like the US Open.

The ideal thing would be that the Australian Open uses carpet so that all 4 major surfaces are represented, but it's impossible to have so many indoor courts.

thrust
04-03-2007, 12:26 AM
Isn^t Dubai a slow hard court? I agree that the new surface should not be graas or a fast hard court. Four different surfaces is ideal for the Slams.

Action Jackson
04-03-2007, 03:24 AM
It's not an April Fools joke, though Tennis Australia are a bunch of jokers.

D Optimist
04-03-2007, 06:57 AM
THe USO is already a fast hard court! What's the point in having another fast hard-court?

Yes , it's a good help for north american and australian players agains europeans .Any way, they do the rules in tennis and we must respect all.

Sign :a poor european

nobama
04-03-2007, 11:16 AM
Where in this article does it say anything about changing to a fast hard court? :confused:

my0118
04-03-2007, 11:58 AM
Where in this article does it say anything about changing to a fast hard court? :confused:


It is understood a non-cushioned hardcourt is the unofficial preference of several administrators and coaches.

Not saying exactly, but they imply it.

nobama
04-03-2007, 12:39 PM
It is understood a non-cushioned hardcourt is the unofficial preference of several administrators and coaches.

Not saying exactly, but they imply it.So a "non-cushioned hardcourt" = fast surface? What are IW and Miami? They're both hardcourts but they're certainly not fast.

my0118
04-03-2007, 12:56 PM
So a "non-cushioned hardcourt" = fast surface? What are IW and Miami? They're both hardcourts but they're certainly not fast.

the thread title doesn't say 'fast' hard court. just say hard court. well :smash:
and slow hard court is faster than rebound ace.