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Estoril Open

tall_one
04-11-2004, 03:17 PM
Stage Set for First Round Drama

The draws for the 2004 Estoril Open produced a number of mouthwatering clashes in both the men's and women's competitions on Sunday, with former Wimbledon champion Goran Ivanisevic facing Spanish sensation Rafael Nadal, and women's top seed Elena Bovina meeting former Roland Garros winner Iva Majoli.

Tournament director Joao Lagos was joined at the draw ceremony by Portuguese TV host Marta Leite Castro from RTP, along with Majoli and defending men's champion Nikolay Davydenko.

"I think we have some fantastic first round matches," said Lagos. "Nadal against Ivanisevic is something special. The newcomer and one of the old guys, so charismatic, so I think this is very interesting. Also, from a Portuguese point of view, we have the two newcomers - Diogo Rocha and Leonardo Tavares - playing against each other in the first round, giving them a big chance to go ahead in the draw as well.

"In the women's draw, Iva Majoli, Elena Bovena could be the final. It's great to show such a good first round match and is very interesting for the Portuguese fans, who can also look forward to some good weather at the start of the event. It's the Easter holidays, and we have some very good matches to attract the fans, especially the younger ones."

In the men's draw, top seed Rainer Schuettler will be looking to kick-start his 2004 season after going 2-7 in the opening three months. He takes on Victor Hanescu of Romania in the first round.

Defending champion Davydenko will open his campaign against Czech Radek Stepanek with a potential quarterfinal meeting against Schuettler, while third seed Agustin Calleri - last year's runner-up - will be hoping to shake off last week's Davis Cup loss against Belarus when he meets a qualifier in the first round.

Important

Davydenko, who went on to finish 2003 at No. 44 in the world, said he was looking forward to returning this year. "It's a great tournament," said Davydenko. "I'll be trying to win it again, and it's important for me to get my season going and we will see what happens this week."

In an all-Argentine clash, No. 5 seed Juan Ignacio Chela takes on wild card Guillermo Canas. Chela won their only previous meeting on clay in Acapulco two years ago.

In the bottom half of the draw, second seed Nicolas Massu meets rising French star Richard Gasquet and the winner of that match will face either Ivanisevic or Nadal in the second round.

Ivanisevic, who played only three ATP tournaments in 2003 after suffering from shoulder, elbow and knee problems, retired against Nadal in the second round of the NASDAQ-100 Open in Miami last month with a shoulder injury after losing the first set 6-4 to the 17-year-old Spaniard, who reached his first career final in Auckland in January (l. to Hrbaty).

Marat Safin, the No. 8 seed who reached the quarterfinals in Estoril in 2002, opens his bid against Frenchman Cyril Saulnier having won their only previous meeting in St. Petersburg in 2002. And Lagos was looking forward to seeing the Russian back again this year.

"Safin was No. 1 in the world when we organized the Tennis Masters cup in Lisbon and would have been the year-end No. 1 if Gustavo Kuerten hadn't won the last two matches of the season," said Lagos. "So we hope he can start the clay court season well here in Estoril in order to have a good season because international tennis needs Marat Safin in good condition."

In the women's draw, second seed Alicia Molik of Australia meets Henrieta Nagyova while third seed Emilie Loit takes on Els Callens of Belgium.

Talking about her first round match, Majoli said: "It's going to be a very tough match playing against the top seed. It's the first tournament of the year on clay for me, but I will play my best and we will see what happens."

tall_one
04-11-2004, 04:43 PM
Main Draw ~ Singles

1 Rainer Schuettler v Victor Hanescu
Olivier Rochus v Gregory Carraz
Radek Stepanek v Nikolay Davydenko
Q v 7 Gaston Gaudio

3 Agustin Calleri v Q
Julien Boutter v Olivier Patience
WC Diogo Rocha v WC Leonardo Tavarers
WC Guillermo Canas v 5 Juan Ignacio Chela

8 Marat Safin v Cyril Saulnier
Antony Dupis v Thierry Ascione
Q v Mariano Zabaleta
Xavier Malisse v 4 Tommy Robredo

6 Max Mirnyi v Bohdan Ulihrach
Q v Irakli Labadze
Goran Ivanisevic v Rafael Nadal
Richard Gasquet v 2 Nicolas Massu

BNO
04-11-2004, 04:46 PM
Thanks for posting the draw :)
Good luck Marat !!!!!

Shadow
04-11-2004, 06:22 PM
finally the draw is out!

good draw for Marat! he should be able to beat them all.

D A V A I M A R A T ! ! !

Vass
04-11-2004, 08:00 PM
"So we hope he can start the clay court season well here in Estoril in order to have a good season because international tennis needs Marat Safin in good condition."



:lol: So true. Look at that guy caring about tennis and Marat.

Vass
04-11-2004, 08:07 PM
finally the draw is out!

good draw for Marat! he should be able to beat them all.


Marat reached a point in which I'm worried about him facing Robredo in the quarters, not to mention Nadal. But if he is mentaly there (his nervous part of brains is absent) he has the physical ability to beat them all.

Let's go Marat![SIZE=4]

Shadow
04-11-2004, 08:38 PM
i see, Vass. Normally he SHOULD beat them... but with his current situation its not sure.

Marat is playing doubles with Labadze. They will face Cernak/Friedl in the first round.

maratski
04-11-2004, 10:27 PM
He should be able to do well here I assume :)

He'd better cause not only does the international tennis world need him, I also want to see him on tv.

PennyThePenguin
04-12-2004, 12:49 AM
He should be able to do well here I assume :)

He'd better cause not only does the international tennis world need him, I also want to see him on tv.

*LOL* we'll go with both reasons!
hehe. I want marat on tv too, but i don't think they'll have it here. bah! so, i'll have to wait for ATP's weekly roundup show...so... MARAT!!! you better win! otherwise they won't bother showing you on tv!!!!!!!

maratski
04-12-2004, 08:12 AM
I don't get the ATP show here :sad:

junekidd
04-12-2004, 10:02 AM
me too! maybe I could see him only on our sports news……but so long as he play well, that's all! the draw for marat is not bad this time, I wish he would win finally!

come om MARAT!

Shadow
04-12-2004, 10:23 AM
I just want him to win!

Thanks eurosport tho for showing Estoril from Thursday on ;)

Aurora
04-12-2004, 10:49 AM
:mad: why don't I live in a part of Belgium that has Eurosport?!

Good draw though, I for one am just happy Olli is nowhere near him, that's the only matchup I would hate. Bring it on!

DAVAAAAAAAAAAI

junekidd
04-12-2004, 11:00 AM
I just want him to win!

Thanks eurosport tho for showing Estoril from Thursday on ;)

u are so lucky! I could see TMS only here! even the TMS is not live but record! :( tennis is not as popular as the table-tennis in china, I have nothing to say…… :sad:

Aurora
04-12-2004, 11:02 AM
Well, junekidd bless yourself that you get it at all!

nice sig, that thought helps too.

junekidd
04-12-2004, 11:12 AM
thank u! :) ok, I know that it is useless to complain. and I have a chance to go to see his match this september in beijing! he must come then! :drool:

Shadow
04-12-2004, 11:32 AM
u are so lucky! I could see TMS only here! even the TMS is not live but record! :( tennis is not as popular as the table-tennis in china, I have nothing to say…… :sad:

well here the coverage of TMS is terrible tho, so luckily we also get some other atp tourney, SOMETIMES.



thats great for you to get to see him in beijing:):D

junekidd
04-12-2004, 11:43 AM
:D
last December, he had come, but I missed the chance. :bigcry:
he did't play much last year, so most of chinese didn't know him. one day he went shopping without anyone accompanied. he went the most famous shopping mall in china, and ate some chinese food.but no one recognised him! :eek: so at the press next day, he said to journalists that he would play more in china so that more people knew him! :lol:

Shadow
04-12-2004, 11:49 AM
yeah the Expo tour with Paradorn! that was great.

aaw, thats funny :lol: :D

I always thought he is really popular in China.

junekidd
04-12-2004, 12:04 PM
I suppose too! maybe no one imagined he went shopping by himself! our chinese are so shy, u know, we don't dare to go and see if he really SAFIN.
we also have crazy fans, they wanted to get a signature of him and crowded in the press conference. it is so terrible! :awww:

Billabong
04-12-2004, 12:55 PM
:eek:!!!!!! Thanks for the news Knuddel:)!

Shadow
04-12-2004, 12:56 PM
http://www.record.pt/canal.asp?idCanal=117&f=1

Portuguese article. And a pic of Marat and Goran training together, lol:)

tall_one
04-12-2004, 01:37 PM
:eek:!!!!!! Thanks for the news Knuddel:)!
:wavey: Hi Seb!

Shadow
04-12-2004, 05:07 PM
sorry Billabong, i was a bit too early with my post before ;)

NEWS: (from Safinator.com and tgfr.com, and some Portuegse article)
Peter Lundgren (Federers ex coach) might be Marats new coach. Marat will meet him today in Estoril and they will arrange things. (they didnt sign anything yet)
I really really hope they are gonna work together and he will bring Marat to the right way. Lundgren is a top man and helped Federer a lot. Marat also trained with Roger and Peter L before, and they are really friendly.
Lundgren is a Swede, so i hope there will no problems with the thinking;)

Shadow
04-13-2004, 11:00 AM
Tuesday Order of Play:

Center Court start 12:00 NOON
(1)E Bovina (RUS) vs (WC)I Majoli (CRO)
Not before 2:30 PM
(8)M Safin (RUS) vs C Saulnier (FRA)
(1)R Schuettler (GER) vs V Hanescu (ROM)
G Ivanisevic (CRO) vs R Nadal (ESP)

Shadow
04-13-2004, 11:41 AM
http://www.atptennis.com/estoril/includes/audio.asp

maratski
04-13-2004, 11:54 AM
He was talking about having had a vacation again :rolleyes:

PennyThePenguin
04-13-2004, 12:06 PM
gee. if it's not a vacation. it's food. hmm... he needs to get his priorities sorted out!!! :)

Aurora
04-13-2004, 01:21 PM
I'd like to complain about him too, but I'm not entitled to. I'm even lazier :o

Aurora
04-13-2004, 01:23 PM
and just as much into food :rolleyes:

PennyThePenguin
04-13-2004, 01:25 PM
then again. aren't we all into food?? hehe

Aurora
04-13-2004, 01:29 PM
I guess so, but you've got people who think first thing in the morining about what they gonna eat in the evening ;)

Marat is on court meanwhile

DAVAI VAMOS ALLEZ KOMAAN GO

junekidd
04-13-2004, 02:49 PM
he lost the 1st set……5:7

Shadow
04-13-2004, 03:47 PM
MARAT WON 5-7 6-2 6-2 :D :D :D nice second and third set :D :) what a nice feeling.



Peter Lundgren was at the match. HE IS NOW OFFICIALLY MARATS NEW COACH !!! yes, its true! :D :D :D
I wish them a good work together and hope it will work out fine. EXCELLENT!

maratgirl
04-13-2004, 03:52 PM
congrats to you marat !!! :D

junekidd
04-13-2004, 03:58 PM
happy! :bounce: victory is a good beginning of the new age! I wish the new coach could bring him to a new stage! :bigclap:

Jessi
04-13-2004, 04:04 PM
:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:

helena
04-13-2004, 04:12 PM
http://dinarasafina.proboards20.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=MaratSafin&num=1081026918&start=0

there's a translation in french and one in english (sorry for the poor quality)

Dirk
04-13-2004, 04:15 PM
YES COME ON MARAT WIN ESTORIL. http://mysmilies.ipbfree.com/s/otn/blobs/multi.gif Marat is a great clay courter. He can do it. Glad Peter is with him and I have this feeling Marat will listen to him and grow from his coaching.

Jessi
04-13-2004, 04:22 PM
who does he play next?

Shadow
04-13-2004, 04:23 PM
thanks a lot Nelia. Your English is fine.

junekidd
04-13-2004, 04:37 PM
who does he play next?
a man called ASCIONE, I know little about him. :confused:

BNO
04-13-2004, 05:23 PM
:bigclap: Congratulations Marat :bigclap:

Vass
04-13-2004, 06:40 PM
ASCIONE's career match record is 8-12. Played only the matches on clay: lost two and yesterday won one. One loss to Ljubicic, one to Partas, all in 3 sets.

My opinion: Marat will win in 6-2 6-2. If not, he has a right to kill himself.

maratski
04-13-2004, 06:57 PM
:woohoo:

I admit that I gave up hope after the first set. I'm glad Marat hung in there and proved me wrong. :)

Catsou
04-13-2004, 07:37 PM
Bravo Marat :clap2:

Shadow
04-13-2004, 07:59 PM
Safin safely past Saulnier in Estoril

LISBON, April 13 (Reuters) - Marat Safin recovered from an uncertain start to the clay-court season to beat Frenchman Cyril Saulnier 5-7 6-2 6-2 in the first round of the Estoril Open on Tuesday.

Safin wasted an early break and lost his serve in the final game of the first set to fall behind but the Russian eighth seed quickly discovered his rhythm to clinch victory in two hours three minutes.

"It felt very good," said Safin, the Australian Open runner-up. "It was important to win the first match on clay.

"It was difficult but this was a big step forward in confidence and it feels great."

Shadow
04-13-2004, 08:01 PM
Safin keeps his word with win over Frenchman

ESTORIL, Portugal (AFP) - Russia's Marat Safin collected his 14th win from 16 meetings against French opponents, rallying to stop Cyril Saulnier 5-7, 6-2, 6-2 for a place in the second round of the 748,850-euro Estoril Open.


Safin lived up to his word as he overcame a difficult opponent after saying he hoped to tune up on clay against a one-two from France.


He next plays Thierry Ascione, a Monday French winner at the Estadio Nacional.


Safin shot off to a fast start, only to find himself reigned in by his 28-year-old opponent, ranked 85th in the world.


After Safin struck for a 2-1 lead in the opening set under sunny spring skies, the Russian immediately dropped serve as the set settled into a familiar clay backcourt rhythm.


Safin dropped the opener on another break, but kept his composure to lift the second and square the match, putting Saulnier under pressure with two set points and converting on the first.


In the third, the seed broke twice to earn the win in just under two hours.


Safin, a quarter-finalist in 2002, improved his record to 9-6 after starting 2004 with an Australian Open (news - web sites) final against Roger Federer.


The 24-year-old Russian, standing 32nd in the world as he rebuilds his ranking following six months of inactivity in 2003 due to a left wrist injury, is playing here for the third time.


The former world number one and 2000 US Open holder beat Saulnier in their only other meeting, 2002 in St. Petersburg.


The Russian eighth seed said that working his way onto the clay is his main goal for the week. "I want to build my confidence and play as many matches as possible.


"I need to spend time getting used to the balls, to the court. if I play good tennis, I can be dangerous."

Shadow
04-13-2004, 08:02 PM
Russia's Marat Safin came from a set down to beat Frenchman Cyril Saulnier and progress to the second round of the Estoril Open.
Safin kick-started his clay court season ahead of next month's French Open with a 5-7 6-2 6-2 victory.

Safin dropped serve twice in the opening set but recovered to square the match and break Saulnier, ranked 85 in the world, twice in the decider.

He will play another Frenchman, Thierry Ascione, in the next round.

Safin, currently number 32 in the world as he rebuilds his ranking following six months of inactivity in 2003, started the year by reaching the Australian Open final.

The 24-year-old Russian, seeded eighth in Estoril, was reasonably happy as he began his clay-court preparation for Roland Garros.

"I want to build my confidence and play as many matches as possible," he said.

"I need to spend time getting used to the balls, to the court. If I play good tennis, I can be dangerous."

maratski
04-13-2004, 08:03 PM
There's another audioclip on the Estoril site.

Catsou
04-13-2004, 08:30 PM
Thx Ilhame for the clip!

Check your PM girl ;)

maratski
04-13-2004, 09:51 PM
Will reply tomorrow, but you'll be living in a nice place :)

PennyThePenguin
04-14-2004, 01:09 AM
ASCIONE's career match record is 8-12. Played only the matches on clay: lost two and yesterday won one. One loss to Ljubicic, one to Partas, all in 3 sets.

My opinion: Marat will win in 6-2 6-2. If not, he has a right to kill himself.

and vass would have another fit.

anyway, i thought I was dreaming about the match when I woke up this morning. i guess he hasn't won for so long, i was having trouble believing he won. :)

but...woohoo!!!!! :bounce:

junekidd
04-14-2004, 06:30 AM
ASCIONE's career match record is 8-12. Played only the matches on clay: lost two and yesterday won one. One loss to Ljubicic, one to Partas, all in 3 sets.

My opinion: Marat will win in 6-2 6-2. If not, he has a right to kill himself.

thanks, vass! you are so optimisitic! I wish your prediction would come true! :yippee:
yesterday I nealy couldn't breath when he lost the 1st set!

Aurora
04-14-2004, 08:30 AM
I was pessimistic after following the scores in the first set (selfprotection ya know?), but he picked himself up! Gooooo Marat! Hang on to the toughts of confidence and matchplay! I try my best to not think further. I'd like to get to know Lundgren better, I learned in the GM-thread he also coached Wilander, didn't know that!

junekidd
04-14-2004, 08:38 AM
I was nervous after the first set, and I didn't dare to see the scoreboard, but I believed he could win, as a result, he won! I am now confident of his further match, GOOOOOO MARAT!

merle
04-14-2004, 09:20 AM
Thanks Andrea for gathering all the news/reports here! :bowdown: :bowdown: I really appreciate it! :bowdown:

Shadow
04-14-2004, 01:24 PM
Match Made In Heaven?
www.menstennisnews.com

Russian racquet wrecker Marat Safin is known not only for breaking racquets, he is known for changing coaches as often as Anna Kournikova changes clothes.
This year is no exception. Averaging about a coach per year since he arrived on the ATP tour, Safin recently sacked his best friend and coach from 2003 Denis Golovanov.

Golovanov is a former ATP player, and some in the tennis industry questioned Safin's decision to hire him, as his own career was in dire straights and he did not seem qualified to give advice to the Russian No. 1. These predictions turned out to be partially true, but it was difficult to gauge Safin's progress as he missed most of the 2003 season due to injury. However, Golovanov was with him in Paris in 2002 where Safin won his first title in 12 months.

In 2004, Safin came into the Australian Open with no expectations for himself other than winning a match or two, and gauging his form coming back from injury. Instead he played the specatular tennis that won him the US Open title in 2000 and surprised even himself. "I never would have thought of reaching the final, after what happened to me last year. I beat some very good players," said Safin.

Good players indeed. Among them current World No. 1 Andy Roddick as well as defending champion Andre Agassi.

"I want to finish the year No. 1 in the world", said Safin during the Australian Open. Big words from someone just coming off of an injury, but in Australia Safin's dream was looking like a distinct possibility.

But since Australia, Safin seems to have gone back to his old ways. His results have been less than flattering, losing badly to Roddick in Indian Wells followed by a first round loss to Vince Spadea in Miami. Combined with tough early round matches due to Safin's #32 ATP entry ranking, along with extremely tough draws and low confidence, Safin was beginning to look a little bit lost on the court.

You have to wonder if his amazing run at the Australian Open was too much glory too soon. You start to question his motives and his commitment to regaining the top spot after seeing him lose matches that he should be winning easily. But nothing has ever come easily for the mercurial Safin. He goes through so many emotions on the court that you never quite know what he is thinking. He can lose to any player on any day as easily as he can beat any player in the world when he is feeling confident.

However, Safin is beginning to back up his words from Australia. Cleary realizing that his current coach was not what he needed to get back to the top, he parted ways with him last week, shortly after his first round loss to Spadea in Miami. He arranged a meeting in Estoril with Peter Lundgren, Roger Federer's former coach. Lundgren seems to be just what the doctor ordered for Safin. He is a laid back person, who can understand Marat and his emotions, but he is also a wonderful tactician of the game. His record speaks for itself when working with players known for their lack of mental toughness and off-beat schools of thought.

Lundgren coached the talented yet moody Marcello Rios and brought him from number 60 in the world into the top 10. He then worked with Roger Federer, who was known for his immense talent but lack of mental strength. He coached Federer through his first Grand Slam win at Wimbledon last year. Soon after Federer and Lundgren parted ways, Federer citing that he needed a change.

If any of his charges have anything in common it is that they are extremely talented players, with enough natural talent to dole out to 10 other players between them, but they are all extremely mentally fragile and unpredictable on the court.

On the surface Lundgren and Safin appear to be a perfect match. If Lundgren can reel in Safin's emotions and teach him how to keep his head in the game, this could be one of the greatest coaching relations in modern tennis history. Safin has all the potential to be a multiple grand slam champion, as well as one of the best players in the game. The only thing that has been holding him back is his head. This could be the beginning of history in the making, and we are sure to have many great rivalries to look forward to in the years to come.

junekidd
04-14-2004, 02:48 PM
thanks, Andrea! I like this article so much! with Lundgren's help I am more confident of his bright prospect than ever before! I am waiting for his RG slam title! :bounce:

novanora
04-14-2004, 02:55 PM
thanks, Andrea! I like this article so much! with Lundgren's help I am more confident of his bright prospect than ever before! I am waiting for his RG slam title! :bounce:
Hi! june!! I come here to thank for your God blessing in David's forum! I am so moved!! Hope Marat lucky in the Estoril Open!! Enjoy your chatting with your international Marat fans! They are much better than someones in our bbs ;) you know....

junekidd
04-14-2004, 03:25 PM
ft! I just came back from roger's forum!
thanks for your blessing, you know marat is lack of luck now!
our bbs……I could not describe it neither in chinese nor in english!

Aurora
04-14-2004, 03:27 PM
Great article! aaaah good times will surely come...

tall_one
04-14-2004, 03:49 PM
bah!!! Marat and Labadze were up a break, but now they are down 5/4 Come on guys!!!

junekidd
04-14-2004, 04:03 PM
oh! it is tie break now, and I should go to bed. it's too late. I wish when I wake up tomorrow, I get the good news! come on guys!!!

tall_one
04-14-2004, 04:09 PM
bah!! they lost in the tiebreak :( (7-2)

Chachou
04-14-2004, 05:23 PM
Marat and Irakli lost to Friedl/Cermak: 6-7 5-7

tall_one
04-14-2004, 06:13 PM
http://smileys.******************/cat/4_6_8.gif Hi Chachou!

Chachou
04-14-2004, 06:31 PM
Hi Tall One! How are you?

BNO
04-14-2004, 06:52 PM
Hi Chachou :wavey:

Shadow
04-14-2004, 07:58 PM
Hi chachou :wavey:

Shadow
04-14-2004, 07:59 PM
Order Of Play
Thursday, April 15, 2004

Center Court start 12:00 NOON
(6)I Benesova (CZE) vs F Pennetta (ITA)
(8)M Safin (RUS) vs T Ascione (FRA)
R Nadal (ESP) vs R Gasquet (FRA)
(1)Cermak/Friedl vs (WC)Gil/Mota

Jessi
04-14-2004, 09:08 PM
Davai Marat!! :bounce:

Hello and Welcome Chachou! :wavey:

Jessi
04-14-2004, 09:10 PM
Marat and Irakli lost to Friedl/Cermak: 6-7 5-7


Good...now he can concentrate on his singles and winning the title :angel:

maratski
04-14-2004, 09:28 PM
That first match needs to last long cause I want to see Marat's entire match on tv ;)

Jessi
04-14-2004, 09:32 PM
yes, hopefully it won't be a typical womens match and it will go the distance ;)

Shadow
04-14-2004, 09:34 PM
Ilhame, Eurosport either can show Marats match or Gasquet vs. Nadal and that is after Marats match, so ..;)

Shadow
04-14-2004, 09:38 PM
http://programas.rtp.pt/RTPVIDEO/vid_janela2.php?p_id=2&ac=ecra&tipow=undefined&modorv=undefined&clip=/inteiros/Jtarde13042004.rm&start=0:00:00&end=

Marat Video interview from Estoril after his match yesterday. It starts at 1:02 mins .

Jessi
04-14-2004, 09:44 PM
"Marat, if he follows through his possibilities, nobody can compete with him, even Roger." - Marc Rosset

Wow, that is quite a statement. When did he say this?

Shadow
04-14-2004, 09:59 PM
in The "Exceptionally Gifted" Complex (Roger Federer and Marat Safin), June 2003

PennyThePenguin
04-15-2004, 02:50 AM
oh yeah... that's why it sounded so familiar. hmm. thanks!

junekidd
04-15-2004, 08:12 AM
hello, chachou! :wavey:
maybe it is not a bad news that he lost in double. Cermak and Friedl is no.1 seed.
more important thing is to win in single today! although I could not see him on tv, I believe he will win! I will pay close attention to the scoreboard during the match.

Chachou
04-15-2004, 09:53 AM
The important: he must win in single...

(Hello everybody)

maratski
04-15-2004, 10:33 AM
salut :)

Aurora
04-15-2004, 11:59 AM
Hey Chachou! (good to see the excellent taste of Belgians affirmed once again!)

junekidd
04-15-2004, 01:32 PM
the game has begun, marat has a good beginning! 2:0!

tall_one
04-15-2004, 02:39 PM
:woohoo: Marat won 6/4 6/4 :)

Aurora
04-15-2004, 02:39 PM
He won 6-4 6-4. Apparently there was some dizzyness/bad view/:confused: in the beginning of the match. I can't wait for detailed impressions of all who've watched it.

Chachou
04-15-2004, 02:52 PM
He did 3 doubles faults and 4 aces. His first service was 53%

junekidd
04-15-2004, 03:04 PM
I am so happy! :woohoo:
the double faults were a little bit more, however, he won at last. that's all!

BNO
04-15-2004, 03:14 PM
:bigclap: Congratulations Marat !!!! :bigclap:

Vass
04-15-2004, 03:31 PM
I can't wait for the interview to know what was wrong.

maratski
04-15-2004, 04:06 PM
It was an ugly match, but a win is a win :)

merle
04-15-2004, 05:25 PM
Safin shakes off dizzy spell to defeat Ascione
Thu 15 April, 2004 17:15

LISBON, April 15 (Reuters) - Marat Safin played through a dizzy spell to beat Frenchman Thierry Ascione 6-4 6-4 in the second round of the Estoril Open on Wednesday.

The Russian eighth seed took to the court despite feeling sick but still managed to overcome Ascione with a polished clay-court display.

"I wasn't feeling well at the start of the game," Safin said. "I was dizzy but I took a bit of sugar and I soon felt better.

"I felt much more comfortable than in my first round match. Really, I'm playing great tennis."

Safin will face fourth seed Tommy Robredo in the quarter-finals after the Spaniard overwhelmed Argentina's Mariano Zabaleta 6-1 7-6.

"Playing Robredo will be great preparation for the semi-finals and final," Safin said.

"He's a clay-court specialist and beating him would give me great confidence."

Catsou
04-15-2004, 05:30 PM
The important: he must win in single...

(Hello everybody)

Salut Chachou :wavey:

Shadow
04-15-2004, 05:48 PM
great that he won :)

I saw the match on tv and Marat was not playing well. Well, he was feeling dizzy at the beginning of the match and the trainer had to come several times. First the commentator said it was his left wrist... GOD I WAS DYING! He was wrong tho. They checked his pulse and blood pressure. Marat had to do some tests (if he can see straight). Luckily, after they gave him some sugar he felt better. Marat was lucky that Ascione neither was playing well, he was playing really bad. So Marats win was never in danger. He played the important points well and so it was a compfortable win. Serve was not working at all (49% first serves, only 34% points won on first serve). Lots and lots of unforced errors with the backhand, which is unusual. His forehand was ok tho. He played all the winners with the forehand. Came to the net quite often and made some very stupid mistakes there.
Peter was not there at the match, Only Amit (!) and Walt. Well Marat and Peter will start working only in Barcelona. Here he is only guest.
HOPE MARAT WILL BE FEELING BETTER SOON! Tomorrow against Robredo will be LORDS thougher.

Shadow
04-15-2004, 06:13 PM
LISBON, April 15 (Reuters) - Marat Safin played through a dizzy spell to beat Frenchman Thierry Ascione 6-4 6-4 in the second round of the Estoril Open on Wednesday. The Russian eighth seed took to the court despite feeling sick but still managed to overcome Ascione with a polished clay-court display.

"I wasn't feeling well at the start of the game," Safin said. "I was dizzy but I took a bit of sugar and I soon felt better.

"I felt much more comfortable than in my first round match. Really, I'm playing great tennis."

Safin will face fourth seed Tommy Robredo in the quarter-finals after the Spaniard overwhelmed Argentina's Mariano Zabaleta 6-1 7-6.

"Playing Robredo will be great preparation for the semi-finals and final," Safin said.

"He's a clay-court specialist and beating him would give me great confidence."

Shadow
04-15-2004, 06:13 PM
Safin too good for Ascione

Eighth seed Marat Safin defeated Thierry Ascione of France 6-4 6-4 on Thursday, to set up a quarterfinal clash with Tommy Robredo at the Estoril Open. The Russian started brightly and despite calling for a trainer midway through the first set to treat impaired vision, the 23-year-old cruised to victory.

The two-time Australian Open finalist broke Ascione in the first game, before calling for medical assistance at the change of ends, leading 3-2.

Safin's ability to balance and walk in a straight line, was then tested.

As breaks of serve were traded, Safin asked for the trainer for a third time, while leading 4-3. This time his blood pressure was tested courtside.

Ascione was unable to take advantage of the Russian's poor health, and while the 23-year-old survived two set points at 3-5, Safin held serve on his fourth point for a 6-4 first set.

The Frenchman's serve was broken twice in the second set, with Safin booking his place in the last eight on his third match point.

Vass
04-15-2004, 06:15 PM
I don't trust his confidence.

maratski
04-15-2004, 06:53 PM
Marat feels at ease on clay and did fight so that's already something. IMO he didn't play great. The match sucked @ss (hence all the unforced errors) and it's just that Marat was a little bit better then Ascione.

Aurora
04-15-2004, 07:44 PM
Hmmm, Robredo could be a real test indeed. He looked very good and solid in the Daviscup, although that was doubles. Serve better Marat!

Shadow
04-15-2004, 07:47 PM
I guess he can play better tomorrow.

ALLEZ MARAT

Shadow
04-15-2004, 07:52 PM
Order Of Play

Friday, April 16, 2004

Center Court start 12:00 NOON
M Marrero (ESP) vs (5)B Schett (AUT)
(8)M Safin (RUS) vs (4)T Robredo (ESP)
I Labadze (GEO) vs R Nadal (ESP)
(1)Cermak/Friedl vs Arnold/Calleri

*prays that Eurosport will show the match*

maratski
04-15-2004, 08:07 PM
eurosport will show tennis at 3pm cet :woohoo:

Shadow
04-15-2004, 08:20 PM
the womens match tomorrow has to take the time time as todays womens match ;)

maratski
04-15-2004, 08:58 PM
They'd better ;)

Aurora
04-15-2004, 09:35 PM
I don't trust his confidence.

Could be he's just trying to pep himself up.

:rolleyes: or not.

Shadow
04-16-2004, 12:31 AM
Safin flying solo but still on course in Portugal


ESTORIL, Portugal : With just over a week to go until he starts with a new coach, Marat Safin proved that he can win on his own as he reached the quarter-finals of the 748,850-Euro Estoril Open.

Safin, seeded eight here, overcame Frenchman Thierry Ascione 6-4, 6-4 to book a quarter-final clash against Spain's Tommy Robredo.


Russia's former world No. 1, often thought to consider mentors as expendable as the rackets he is frequently known to smash, is due to hook up with Roger Federer's former coach Peter Lundgren.

That trial partnership, to run through Wimbledon, will begin at the clay event in Barcelona where Safin reached the final a year ago.

But with this week his main conern, Safin on Thursday was concentrated on maintaining the kind of form which he hopes will come in handy against Robredo on Friday.

The Spanish fourth seed booked his place with a 6-1, 7-6 (8/6) win over Argentine Mariano Zabaleta.

Safin, playing his first week on the clay and keen to do well after missing half of last year with a wrist injury is determined not to let the Spaniard play his own game.

"I don't want to rally endlessly with him from the back of the court," said the Russian. "I will have to push things a bit.

"He will be my toughest opponent," he said after dispatching his second French opponent in succession and running his record against that nation to 15 wins from 17 matches. "I don't want to just play his game."

Safin's only stumble against world number 97 Ascione came as the Russian failed on a pair of set points in the opening set - the second lost on a double-fault.

But, comfortably in command, he lifted the set a game later in just over half an hour and was equally dominant in the second.

"This was a much better match than my first one," Safin said. "I'm feeling more comfortable on the court and gaining a little more confidence.

"I'm just trying to play good tennis."

Safin confirmed that he and Lundgren, who was cut loose by world number one Federer in December just weeks after guiding the Swiss to triumph at the Masters Cup in Houston, will have an experimental run through the clay and grass seasons.

"We'll see if it's working," said Safin. "It's more than a coach, you have to feel comfortable with him as a person.

"He'a a partner off the court and you'll be spending a lot of time with him."

Teenage sensation Rafael Nadal also powered into the quarter-finals.

The 17-year-old fought back from a second-set ankle taping after dropping serve for 0-1 to pound French youngster Richard Gasquet 6-4, 3-6, 6-2.

Nadal, a left-handed power hitter with little fear on any surface, lines up a Friday quarter-final against Georgian surprise packet Irakli Labadze, who eliminated sixth seed Max Mirnyi 6-3, 6-3.

Billabong
04-16-2004, 01:06 AM
Thanks for the article:)!
GO MARAT:D!!!!!!!

Fedex
04-16-2004, 02:11 AM
Good Luck Marat!!! :D :woohoo: Go for the first title of the season!!! :) :bounce:

junekidd
04-16-2004, 02:20 AM
I am a little worried about his health…… compared with victory, health is more important. I hope he could more concern about his health condition.

PennyThePenguin
04-16-2004, 03:11 AM
come one marat!!!! woohoo!!! robredo next! and please remember to keep yourself hydrated! we can't take heart attacks like these every day u know.

hemagirl
04-16-2004, 06:10 AM
Congratulations Marat. He played and he was dizzy, it is very heavy, but he won the game!!

Shadow
04-16-2004, 10:22 AM
Safin to Work with Federer's Former Coach Lundgren
By REUTERS

Published: April 15, 2004


Filed at 3:26 p.m. ET

LISBON (Reuters) - Marat Safin is to work on a short-term basis with Roger Federer's former coach Peter Lundgren.

``It will be from the Barcelona tournament to Wimbledon,'' Safin said at the Estoril Open Thursday. ``We'll see how it goes.

``It's important to be comfortable with each other. If not, we'll go our separate ways and get on with our own lives.''

Swede Lundgren guided Federer to his first grand slam title at Wimbledon last year before the pair parted ways in December.

The claycourt Barcelona Open begins on April 26, while Wimbledon, the highlight of the grasscourt season, finishes on July 4.

Shadow
04-16-2004, 10:23 AM
wtf, only till Wimbledon!!! well i hope they will continue then.

PennyThePenguin
04-16-2004, 11:38 AM
well, i guess over the next few weeks, we'd probably be able to gauge if they're gonna continue AFTER wimbledon. *crosses fingers*

junekidd
04-16-2004, 03:59 PM
it is really a difficult match! my heart beats so fast! but marat won finally! I love him so much! he is great! :woohoo:

Shadow
04-16-2004, 04:12 PM
I`m so glade he won and pulled it out :woohoo:

but god he played really pathetic most times :o But he played good in those 2 tiebreaks.

junekidd
04-16-2004, 04:22 PM
I can imagine, but to marat, sometimes, the result is more important! when he is confident enough, his match will splendid, I hope!

Shadow
04-16-2004, 04:34 PM
well i hope to win such close match will give him confidence and he can step up his game.

junekidd
04-16-2004, 04:39 PM
it must give him confidence. but I wonder how long can the confidence retain? it is a serious problem to him!

Anik
04-16-2004, 05:00 PM
Safin Slips Past Robredo Into Estoril Semis

Marat Safin entered today's Estoril Open quarterfinal against Tommy Robredo knowing he had to do something special to subdue the Spaniard who was a tournament semifinalist last year. In the end, Safin's added aggressiveness in the decisive third-set tiebreak proved to be the difference in his thrilling 7-6(2), 2-6, 7-6(5) triumph over Robredo.

The eighth-seeded Russian will play Irakli Labadze for a spot in Sunday's final. Labadze, an Indian Wells semifinalist last month, received a walkover into the semifinals after 17-year-old Spaniard Rafael Nadal withdrew from their scheduled quarterfinal due to a small fracture in his left ankle.

After Safin and Robredo exchanged breaks in the third and fourth games of the final set, the pair stayed on serve into the decisive tiebreaker, which turned into a mental tug-of-war. Robredo, who spent much of the match running around his backhand, caught Safin off guard with a backhand winner to force a 3-3 tie. Safin snapped a volley winner to take a 4-3 lead, but Robredo responded winning the next two points to earn a 5-4 edge.

Sensing Robredo's desire to use his superior speed by playing longer rallies, Safin sought to shorten the points by approaching behind deep drives. Blocking a backhand volley winner crosscourt, Safin evened the tiebreaker at 5-5 then boldly rushed the net again and followed with another volley winner to reach match point.

The two hour, 27-minute struggle came to a sudden end when Robredo hit a double fault, returning the gift Safin gave the 2003 Roland Garros quarterfinalist when he double faulted on set point in the second set.

Often altering his return position to give Safin a variety of different looks, Robredo converted his third break point of the fourth game as an infuriated Safin clenched his racquet as if contemplating snapping it before calming down. Robredo consolidated the break by holding at love for 4-1. Two games later, Robredo held at 15 for a 5-2 lead. A frustrated Safin double faulted on break point to hand Robredo the second set, 6-2.

Safin stormed out to a 5-1 lead in the first-set tiebreaker before Robredo slightly slowed his momentum with an ace down the middle. Seeking to step inside the court and put pressure on Robredo, Safin followed a strong serve forward and belted a forehand winner crosscourt to earn four set points at 6-2. The former French Open semifinalist produced a serve-volley winner to take the first set.

sanell
04-16-2004, 05:10 PM
Congrats Marat! i'm Very Happy!!!!
You are The Best!!!! :D

Shadow
04-16-2004, 05:12 PM
sanell i hope you didnt think marat was playing well while watching the match.;)

maratgirl
04-16-2004, 05:18 PM
I also thought that marat wasn't playing well. too many easy mistakes but there was a lot of wind. still happy he won :D

sanell
04-16-2004, 05:26 PM
sanell i hope you didnt think marat was playing well while watching the match.;)
Yes, you have a point there ;)

novanora
04-16-2004, 05:48 PM
I can imagine, but to marat, sometimes, the result is more important! when he is confident enough, his match will splendid, I hope!
Hi, june! Just come here and congratulate Marat's winning!! Actually, I thought he could definitely beaten Robredo if he was in his state right now. You just concentrated on your computer screen only again:D as the Estoril Open is not broadcasted in China. Then how can you know he has regain his confidence? the score? or just the result? Maybe a stronger rival could be a testing for him. Anyway, I'd like to expect his playing in MC. :D:D Let EO be his useful warming then...

BNO
04-16-2004, 06:41 PM
:bigclap: :bigclap: :bigclap: Marat !!!!!
He needs to win this kind of matches if he wants to win big tournaments

Aurora
04-16-2004, 07:15 PM
Battling through to semi and towards better form... DAVAI!

Shadow
04-16-2004, 07:22 PM
Safin is looking forward to playing Labadze, who is an old friend.

"It was difficult to play good tennis in the (windy) conditions but we both tried our best," said Safin.

"I've known Labadze since I was nine and he's one of my friends. I really like him and it'll be nice to play him in the semi-finals."

hemagirl
04-16-2004, 07:51 PM
I looked to the scoreboard and I saw that Robredo has much chances to break him, but he didn't. I think, Marat can win this tournament.

Shadow
04-16-2004, 07:57 PM
Safin blows hot and cold to beat Robredo

ESTORIL, Portugal (AFP) - Resurgent Russian Marat Safin overcame treacherous blustery conditions to reach the semi-finals of the Estoril Open with a 7-6 (7/2), 2-6, 7-6 (7/5) win over Spain's Tommy Robredo.


Former world number one Safin, seeded eighth, remains the last big-name player standing at the Estadio Nacional after taking victory in two hours, 27 minutes to oust the Spanish fourth seed.


The Russian, out for half of last season with a wrist problem, began his year with an Australian Open (news - web sites) runners-up spot losing to Roger Federer and has now confirmed his form on clay.


Safin said that blowy conditions were treacherous.


"It was good to win, neither of us could play our best tennis. We both went a bit crazy, but we each wanted to win," said the Russian.


"It was a fight until the end, it came down to a third-set tie-breaker. It was a good match for both of us, but obviously better for me - no one wanted to lose."


Safin now faces one of his best friends on the ATP Tour, Georgian Irakli Labadze, who earned a walkover at the expense of Spanish teenager Rafael Nadal who was unable to take to the court after a left ankle injury suffered earlier in the week was diagnosed as a likely hairline fracture.

Labadze will be playing in his second semi-final of the season after reaching the last four at the Indian Wells Masters.


Safin joked that he would seeking revenge from eight years ago, when he lost to his 22-year-old rival in the semi-finals of the European under-16 Championships.


"He's my good friend, we've known each other since we were nine years old. It will be nice to play him and try to take my revenge."


Labadze, known as an amateur chess wizard with a thinking man's take on tennis, is likely to count on strategy as much as brawn when he faces Safin, currently ranked 32nd as he returns to top form.

maratski
04-16-2004, 08:31 PM
A win is a win, but again it was ugly ;)

I've never seen such a terrible claycourt before :o

Shadow
04-16-2004, 08:53 PM
yep the court is really really in bad condition. It was definetly not easy and then the wind... though conditions.

Shadow
04-16-2004, 08:54 PM
Saturday, April 17, 2004

Order of Play

Center Court start 12:00 NOON
M Marrero (ESP) vs (3)E Loit (FRA)
(8)M Safin (RUS) vs I Labadze (GEO)
(Q)F Mayer (GER) vs (5)J Chela (ARG)
(1)Cermak/Friedl vs Chela/Gaudio

Eurosport wont have coverage tomorrow and the final only on Monday :mad: :bigcry:

Shadow
04-16-2004, 09:03 PM
There were two other guys in Marats box besides Walt. I think one of them was Labadze.

Billabong
04-16-2004, 09:07 PM
Marat:)! GOOOOOOO:D!!!!

PennyThePenguin
04-17-2004, 10:13 AM
crush labadze! yeah! and no tiebreaks please, even though u were great with those yesterday!

Aurora
04-17-2004, 01:53 PM
After 23 minutes of play, Labadze has retired according to the scoreboard. *2-3 Marat is the winner and into the final. I hope Labadze's ok!

junekidd
04-17-2004, 02:07 PM
I wish Labadze is ok too! he looks like very friendly indeed! the luck of safin is somewhat too nice! I hope it can be with him for a long time!

Shadow
04-17-2004, 02:13 PM
too bad it had to end this way, would have rather seen Marat win this match! I wish Labadze all the best and hope he will be ok soon!

Marat is in the final :)

Against Chela or Mayer. He is 3-0 against Chela and 1-0 against Mayer.

GO MARAT IN THE FINAL! PLEASE DO IT!!!!!!!! :bounce:

PennyThePenguin
04-17-2004, 02:15 PM
COME ON MARAT! it's yours for the taking! just stay positive!

hope labadze's fine.

BNO
04-17-2004, 02:21 PM
:bigclap: Marat
Good luck in the final!
I hope that Labadze is fine :)

junekidd
04-17-2004, 02:28 PM
CHELA is not easy to play with! I don't like his style, but sometimes it is efficacious to other players.

Cris
04-17-2004, 02:33 PM
Sorry for Labadze, hope he can be recovered soon.
RTPi just showed the match.

Vamos Marat! :bounce:

PennyThePenguin
04-17-2004, 02:51 PM
labadze was struck out by a bad back. so says the estoril site. poor thing. hope he gets well soon!

Shadow
04-17-2004, 02:52 PM
Safin into Final After Labadze Retires
Marat Safin moved through to his first clay court final since Barcelona last year after Irakli Labadze retired with a back injury after just five games. Ladadze, a semifinalist at the Pacific Life Open last month, was leading 3-2 in the first set but was in too much pain to continue. Safin, who reached the Australian Open final earlier this year, will await the winner of Saturday's second semifinal between German qualifier Florian Mayer and Juan Ignacio Chela. Mayer is appearing in his first ATP semifinal while Chela reached the last four in Acapulco in February.

Shadow
04-17-2004, 02:52 PM
RTPi just showed the match.

can you pls report us a lil bit even it was so short?;)

Balaenopteramusculus
04-17-2004, 03:06 PM
too bad it had to end this way, would have rather seen Marat win this match! I wish Labadze all the best and hope he will be ok soon!

Marat is in the final :)

Against Chela or Mayer. He is 3-0 against Chela and never played Mayer.

GO MARAT IN THE FINAL! PLEASE DO IT!!!!!!!! :bounce:
He has played Mayer in Marsellie this year;)

KCVH
04-17-2004, 03:09 PM
Good luck in the final. Though I am sure he'll be playing superior at RG.

Shadow
04-17-2004, 03:10 PM
He has played Mayer in Marsellie this year;)

thank you, i forgot that :o

junekidd
04-17-2004, 03:22 PM
He has played Mayer in Marsellie this year;)

could u tell me the result, pls? thanks. I think he won…… :rolleyes:

Shadow
04-17-2004, 03:27 PM
Marat won 6-4 6-4

Aurora
04-17-2004, 03:32 PM
Chela it is then, he defeated Mayer 6-3 6-3 in 1h22

:bounce: Go go go Marat! :bounce:

Shadow
04-17-2004, 03:40 PM
ok!

DAVAI MARAT!!!!!!!!! :bounce:

junekidd
04-17-2004, 03:46 PM
I am looking forward to the final! go marat!

Catsou
04-17-2004, 04:04 PM
Really Lab. is injured :sad: awwwwwwww hope it's not too bad.

Allez Marat in the final! This trophy have your name written all over :cool:

Shadow
04-17-2004, 04:33 PM
Marat Safin moved into the Estoril Open final when Irakli Labadze was forced to pull out of the semi-final suffering with back pain.
Labadze, who was leading 3-2 at the time, reached the final despite suffering from the problem all week.

Safin will now play either fifth seed Juan Ignacio Chela of Argentina or German qualifier Florian Mayer.

"It wasn't the best way to win, but this final is a great thing for me," said the Russian.

"I had a good warm-up and played a few games. That's enough for me today, I won't be going to the practise court.

"I'll just let the other two guys go out and do their job."

Labadze reached the final after Spanish teenager Rafael Nadal pulled out of their semi-final with a suspected hairline ankle fracture.

"I would have had to pull out Friday, but he did, so I took it," said the Georgian.

Shadow
04-17-2004, 04:35 PM
Marat audios after the match

http://www.atptennis.com/estoril/includes/audio.asp

Catsou
04-17-2004, 04:48 PM
Thx Andrea !

maratski
04-17-2004, 05:28 PM
I hope Irakli gets well soon, but am also happy to see a rerun of the final on monday morning ;)

Cris
04-17-2004, 07:41 PM
can you pls report us a lil bit even it was so short?;)

Marat seems fine, very serious, but commiting too much UE's, that's why he had his serve broken in the 3rd game. Labadze was more consistent, but since the match started, he wasn't feeling well, back injury. After Marat break back in the 5th game, Labadze called the physio and then decided to retire.
Marat was very nice with Labadze and gave him a big hug. The commentator said they're friends since they were kids.
Sorry for my english. :)

Cris
04-17-2004, 07:44 PM
Andrea, thanks for the audios and reports! :kiss:

Shadow
04-17-2004, 07:48 PM
thanks a lot Cris :)

novanora
04-17-2004, 08:18 PM
CHELA is not easy to play with! I don't like his style, but sometimes it is efficacious to other players.
June, remember what I have told you about Chela before? He can always produce some surprise, hope it won't bother u anymore!

maratski
04-17-2004, 09:10 PM
Thanks Cris :kiss:

Catsou
04-17-2004, 10:29 PM
Marat seems fine, very serious, but commiting too much UE's, that's why he had his serve broken in the 3rd game. Labadze was more consistent, but since the match started, he wasn't feeling well, back injury. After Marat break back in the 5th game, Labadze called the physio and then decided to retire.
Marat was very nice with Labadze and gave him a big hug. The commentator said they're friends since they were kids.
Sorry for my english. :)
thx sweety :kiss:

Fedex
04-17-2004, 10:53 PM
Good luck in Final, MARAT :woohoo: :bounce: :banana:

junekidd
04-18-2004, 02:30 AM
June, remember what I have told you about Chela before? He can always produce some surprise, hope it won't bother u anymore!
yeah, I remember, so I am a little bit worried about the final. however, if he can play a beautiful match, it's also worthy of cheer. ;)

Ma. Estefania
04-18-2004, 03:38 AM
All the best tomorrow Marat :kiss:

_ _me_ _
04-18-2004, 11:30 AM
Good Luck this afternoon, kick the guy's ass!!!!!!

junekidd
04-18-2004, 03:46 PM
may I ask a question? is there anyone know that how many sets will the final play? thanks!

maratski
04-18-2004, 04:37 PM
Marat lost :sad:

Shadow
04-18-2004, 04:40 PM
:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead::banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: dead

junekidd
04-18-2004, 04:41 PM
I am very sad…… wish he will not affect by the result. it is really a difficult match!

Shadow
04-18-2004, 04:42 PM
he collapsed AAAAAAAAAAGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAIN! in a final

I WANT TO HACK MARATS CRAZY FUCKING DAMMISH NOT INTO THIS WORLD HEAD INTO PIECES! :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

BNO
04-18-2004, 04:46 PM
Too bad that Marat lost :crying2:
Maybe next time better. :)

junekidd
04-18-2004, 04:52 PM
now I am worried about his confidence……losing match is really a big bat on him!

Cris
04-18-2004, 05:04 PM
Once again, Marat lost to himself. :fiery: :fiery: :fiery: Commited almost 70 UE's :eek: He just can't keep his focus. All I know is Lundgren will have much work to do.

Shadow
04-18-2004, 05:07 PM
saw the match on tv Cris?

:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

junekidd
04-18-2004, 05:11 PM
look at the 1st serve and the points win on the 1st serve…… they are also too bad!

"All I know is Lundgren will have much work to do." I agree with u!

maratski
04-18-2004, 05:11 PM
:hug: to all

junekidd
04-18-2004, 05:12 PM
is there any report?

novanora
04-18-2004, 05:12 PM
Hi, sweetie! I know how u feel now!! I am sorry that my prediction came true in some degree. And now you have seen the surprise (maybe can't be called surprise this time....) produced by Chela twice......Unfortunately, this time the suffer is your fav, not Haas, not Hewitt or sb else. I mean I love dark horses, but I'd rather u can enjoy the winning of Marat. Now I think he definitely needs Lundgren who can regulate one's mentality. And you should also believe in him. The lost of EO final couldn't be a big problem. If Marat wants to be back in the first class, he should learn how to treat the failure. Let's just wait and see.....

junekidd
04-18-2004, 05:21 PM
hello! thanks for ur console. I am ok. after all, he has won former matchs without the best state.and chela is rising now, failure is not the worst thing. he could learn much from it. I am waiting for his back. it may not a long time! let's see the MC TMS! to beat jc!

Cris
04-18-2004, 05:22 PM
Yes, Andrea. Couldn't get into Christine's forum, because I wasn't feeling well earlier...
Marat just lost his temper and focus, spent too much time and energy complaining with the chair umpire in the 2nd set. Chela, who was not brilliant, played a good tennis, could keep his focus and Marat gave him the rest.

About your sig, me too! :fiery:

novanora
04-18-2004, 05:29 PM
hello! thanks for ur console. I am ok. after all, he has won former matchs without the best state.and chela is rising now, failure is not the worst thing. he could learn much from it. I am waiting for his back. it may not a long time! let's see the MC TMS! to beat jc!
Wow, beat JC! How ambitious you are :D!!! That means he should at least reach the final!! Remeber, before beating JC, he should cope with Coria, who is not worse than JC on clay! But, first, I'd rather to see how he kick Roddick's ass....:D Good luck to Marat and my dear june!

Aurora
04-18-2004, 05:37 PM
Damn, I was so hopeful on the way home, couldn't wait to turn on the computer... For nothing but bad news
:eek: :speakles: :help:
:( :mad: :banghead:
:awww: :sad: :tears: :sobbing: :crying2: :hysteric:
:retard: :smash:

Shadow
04-18-2004, 05:43 PM
thanks Cris.

I cant understand why Marat cant win a final. He has obviously a mental block in finals or he is scared to win. He has it once again all in his hands and blows it again mean its not like Chela played unbelievable. Marat lost against himself as almost always. I dont know someone needs to repair his head. ( :help: PETER)
He is now 0-3 in finals since Bercy 2002, therebefore he was 0-2 in finals since STP 2001.

junekidd
04-18-2004, 05:44 PM
Wow, beat JC! How ambitious you are !!! That means he should at least reach the final!! Remeber, before beating JC, he should cope with Coria, who is not worse than JC on clay! But, first, I'd rather to see how he kick Roddick's ass.... Good luck to Marat and my dear june!
roddick? he is just a peice of cake! :p other people…… he could cope with them if he play with his head! though he could not always play with his head! :mad:

_ _me_ _
04-18-2004, 05:56 PM
Too bad he lost, but I'm still looking forward to see the match tomorrow to see how he played.
Because the high number of unforched errors doesn't neccisarily mean that he played bad. The last couple of days it was quite windy there, which made it harder to play,
and which resulted in a lot of balls being hit with the frame, because the wind adjusted the direction. So I'll see tomorrow how he played
Can't wait!!!!

junekidd
04-18-2004, 06:03 PM
it is another day tomorrow! does MC have a good weather condition?

_ _me_ _
04-18-2004, 06:23 PM
I agree, Marat should LISTEN to his coach, I mean that's what a coach is for, he's there to teach him. Marat has said in the past that his game is fine, and that he doesn't need a coach to improve his game. But I still think Marat should get over himself, set aside his ego and take some advice from his coach!!!!

novanora
04-18-2004, 06:24 PM
roddick? he is just a peice of cake! :p other people…… he could cope with them if he play with his head! though he could not always play with his head! :mad:
:lol: :lol: Don't blame his head. Marat has an smart brain, especially always on the court;) The real problem is his mentality, returning to his old problem again. You see he made a lot of UE this time, saying his mentality is still not very stable. Hope it won't be brought to next week. Come on, Pete!!

Shadow
04-18-2004, 06:26 PM
I agree, Marat should LISTEN to his coach, I mean that's what a coach is for, he's there to teach him. Marat has said in the past that his game is fine, and that he doesn't need a coach to improve his game. But I still think Marat should get over himself, set aside his ego and take some advice from his coach!!!!

Marat is right. He doesnt need a coach for his game, but for HIS MENTAL PROBLEMS! But if he doesnt listen no one can repair his head.

Shadow
04-18-2004, 06:28 PM
:lol: :lol: Don't blame his head. Marat has an smart brain, especially always on the court;) The real problem is his mentality, returning to his old problem again. You see he made a lot of UE this time, saying his mentality is still not very stable. Hope the failure won't be brought to next week.

Actually yeah, Marat is a very smart and intelligent person (just read his interviews)
On the court his head just wents crazy.

_ _me_ _
04-18-2004, 06:32 PM
Marat is right. He doesnt need a coach for his game, but for HIS MENTAL PROBLEMS! But if he doesnt listen no one can repair his head.

No I don't agree, with all the new young guys entering the ATP tour, he needs to keep improving himself. Sure his game is great right now, but if he doesn't keep improving he'll fall back, because the other keep on improving. and to keep on improving his game he should listen to his coach

I do agree with you that a lot of his problems ly in his mentallity. He should get whatever is bothering him during the match (i.e. a bad call, or an unlucky shot) out of his system however he can. He usually does it by throwing a racket or yelling at the chair umpire.
But after doing that he doesn't get rid of it. He lets it bother him throughout the entire match.
After he gets a bad call you very often see a decline in his prestations during the match, till he makes a great shot and regains some confidence.

He should just get it out of his system by throwing a racket and then move on. Don't let one bad call or an unlucky shot decide the match.

Shadow
04-18-2004, 06:40 PM
Of course Marat will keep improving his game. He already improved a lot in his game since 2000. But when Marat plays his game he can blast everyone off the court. He has an unbelievable natural talent and he is also someone who can play amazing even if he didnt practise for some time, IF HE KEEPS HIS HEAD TOGETHER. Marat can play every shot in the game in a perfect way.
The thing is to GET HIS GAME TOGETHER ON THE COURT! And that is actually his problem, a problem that happens to be in his head.
And of course the factor of him lose it completly when something on the court goes against him (wrong call or whatever)... he just cant forget that. well, ITS ALL IN HIS HEAD. And thats what Peter should work with Marat. And Marat HAS to listen. Look at Federer.. he had many mental problems... and Peter helped him a lot.
Sure they are also some tactical things, but thats not Marats problem. He doesnt need that particialy.

junekidd
04-18-2004, 06:43 PM
:lol: :lol: Don't blame his head. Marat has an smart brain, especially always on the court;) The real problem is his mentality, returning to his old problem again. You see he made a lot of UE this time, saying his mentality is still not very stable. Hope it won't be brought to next week. Come on, Pete!!

the old problem is platitudinous, but who really works on it? he has no progress on his mentality! he could defeat agassi with outstanding state and also could lose to rogi straight…… I have no idea of those performance. I hope peter know how to repair. and marat will listen to him!

_ _me_ _
04-18-2004, 06:59 PM
Of course Marat will keep improving his game. He already improved a lot in his game since 2000. But when Marat plays his game he can blast everyone off the court. He has an unbelievable natural talent and he is also someone who can play amazing even if he didnt practise for some time, IF HE KEEPS HIS HEAD TOGETHER. Marat can play every shot in the game in a perfect way.
The thing is to GET HIS GAME TOGETHER ON THE COURT! And that is actually his problem, a problem that happens to be in his head.
And of course the factor of him lose it completly when something on the court goes against him (wrong call or whatever)... he just cant forget that. well, ITS ALL IN HIS HEAD. And thats what Peter should work with Marat. And Marat HAS to listen. Look at Federer.. he had many mental problems... and Peter helped him a lot.
Sure they are also some tactical things, but thats not Marats problem. He doesnt need that particialy.


I agree, it's pretty much the same as what I said before, just put differently :)

Shadow
04-18-2004, 07:04 PM
ok GOOD! I thought you meant it different.

_ _me_ _
04-18-2004, 07:15 PM
Nope, i meant exactly the same. I guess we're on complete agreement on this!!!

maratski
04-18-2004, 07:20 PM
Marat has only one problem and that's that he doesn't want the success as much as we do. He has the game, he's a very complete player, but that's it. He's won some tournaments, is usually in the higher echelons of the rankings, has a nice amount of money on the bank, is famous, leads a good life and that seems to be enough for him. He doesn't have the same hunger as Federer, Ferrero and Roddick. He's not willing to give up his life outside tennis and also not seems to be willing to find the right balance between focusing on tennis and having free time.

It hurts me to see this cause I know he can do better and he doesn't want to. It's just that I care about the guy so much and only want what's best for him. What I'm afraid of is that in 10 years time I'll be saying that I enjoyed the brilliant tennis he played at times and he'll be saying that he could have achieved more. He'll regret it later, I'm 100% sure of it.

I'm still a big fan, he's still my fave player, but the passion is gone. I'm not as excited anymore as I used to be, when seeing him on tv. After the AO he just started to be his oafish self again and didn't take his chances when he had them. I've lost respect for him after the DC tie in Belarus and Marat needs to do a whole lot better to get me as excited as I used to be in the past.

End rant!

Shadow
04-18-2004, 07:24 PM
I agree completly with Ilhame. But thats the thing in his head and not concentrating on the court.

Expect for the not beeing as excited part. I`m more into him than ever and it makes me DAMM UPSET and disappointed seeing him losing against himself and blowing away his talent.

_ _me_ _
04-18-2004, 07:33 PM
Perhaps in a few years time he will regret that he didn't give it his all.
But I think that if he gave up his life outside of tennis now and focussed on tennis 100% he would regret it too.
There's more to life than just making money.
Perhaps he's one of those who work to live and not one of those who live to work

and allthough it's frustrating to see him "under perform" it'll never take away my excitement, all it might do in matches that he doesn't give his best is add to my frustration

Shadow
04-18-2004, 07:41 PM
I think its a conflict in him, wheter he gives away a bit from his life to concentrate more on tennis or whether he just completly lives his life and just plays tennis like his mood in in this day. And he says himself his problem is to concentrate on the court, because he thinks of other things.
One thing obviously does overweight though. I dont know, he always says you are only once young and he wants to enjoy life as much as he can and he doesnt want to just live for tennis and regret later.

maratski
04-18-2004, 07:41 PM
Me I don't know for how long you've been a fan, but after FOUR years of this I'm getting tired of it.

maratski
04-18-2004, 07:43 PM
If he wants to live his life that's fine, but he should stop being a whining plonker then. He's not being honest with himself. He blames everything and everyone, but isn't man enough to say HE's the problem.

Shadow
04-18-2004, 07:44 PM
Hell yeah, you have a point Ilhame. its really annoying and upsetting but for me, it doesnt change my passion.

Shadow
04-18-2004, 07:45 PM
If he wants to live his life that's fine, but he should stop being a whining plonker then. He's not being honest with himself. He blames everything and everyone, but isn't man enough to say HE's the problem.

POINT! He knows it, but he doesnt want to admit it.

_ _me_ _
04-18-2004, 07:57 PM
Me I don't know for how long you've been a fan, but after FOUR years of this I'm getting tired of it.


I've been a fan for a couple of years now, and sure I'm getting tired to see him under perform, but it'll never change my opinion on Marat.
As I said all it will do is add to my frustration.

Besides the fact that he's not willing to give up his personal life entirely (which I think it quite understandable) I think there are more issues contributing to his losses.

_ _me_ _
04-18-2004, 08:03 PM
If he wants to live his life that's fine, but he should stop being a whining plonker then. He's not being honest with himself. He blames everything and everyone, but isn't man enough to say HE's the problem.

absolutely true,
if he decides to have a personal life besides his tennis, that's his choice (and I think the right choice)
But then he should be man enough to take the responsibillity on the consequences of that choice

Tennis Fool
04-18-2004, 09:24 PM
Marat has only one problem and that's that he doesn't want the success as much as we do.
Well, were fans. Of course we want it more :p

No, but really, I disagree that he doesnt want it. I think the problems of last year really made him work hard in the off season. If he didn't care, he wouldn't have made any efforts at getting to the AO final.

Regarding today, I think he did want it. He fought off 3 mps, and couldn't convert on 2 mps. He shouldn't have lost, but I still think maybe its a fear of confidence. If he would win, then everyone will expect him to win again...and again. I think he has a problem with the burden of winning more than say, Roger or Ferrero.

Also, if he didn't care he would have continued on with Denis. Instead, he knows he's been flatlining since AO and he's reached out for help.

In a way, it's good that he had this final. Now, onward :) :cool:

Tennis Fool
04-18-2004, 09:43 PM
Maybe this is some consolation:

These were very tough conditions because of the wind," Chela said. "It looked like Marat had more trouble with that, especially in the second set, and then I took my chances. I kept my plan for the match, hitting his forehand. I knew it would be a long match so I never lost my nerve."

Also, fans of Duckboy had a harder day. He lost the only clay court title he's been good at, to number 300 something Tommy Haas. He remains Tommy's bitch and has a lot of proving to due in the clay season.

Well, I tried :D

Aurora
04-18-2004, 09:45 PM
If he wants to live his life that's fine, but he should stop being a whining plonker then. He's not being honest with himself. He blames everything and everyone, but isn't man enough to say HE's the problem.

:yeah: It really is the whining that does it. If you don't have the drive, face it!

And that's the reason why it's not so much a tennis-coach he needs, but more a sport-psychologist. Peter has obviously the experience with Roger, but I don't feel he is a similar head-case, quite the contrary imo, but I don't know Roger well enough to speculate further. But I'll grab on to any hope, but I don't believe in miracles.
Do you guys think a great win might set him free? Probably not though. And that's not the case in the near future.

_ _me_ _
04-18-2004, 09:46 PM
but I still think maybe its a fear of confidence. If he would win, then everyone will expect him to win again...and again. I think he has a problem with the burden of winning more than say, Roger or Ferrero.



LOL I just said the same thing on some other message board :D

PennyThePenguin
04-19-2004, 01:08 AM
Also, if he didn't care he would have continued on with Denis. Instead, he knows he's been flatlining since AO and he's reached out for help.

In a way, it's good that he had this final. Now, onward :) :cool:

yeah. i agree with you, he is making a bit more effort to improve. but I guess, for us fans, it's still not enough cos we know that he's capable of doing more than just play brides maid at tournaments. hell, even if he did win, we'd still ask for more. we can never be too satisfied with his performance.

he's now 11-9 in finals i think. any more losses and he'll be officially tagged as brides maid.

and to remain optimistic, at least he's improving on those tiebreaks. and his first non-early loss since the AO

junekidd
04-19-2004, 02:00 AM
Well, were fans. Of course we want it more :p

No, but really, I disagree that he doesnt want it. I think the problems of last year really made him work hard in the off season. If he didn't care, he wouldn't have made any efforts at getting to the AO final.

Regarding today, I think he did want it. He fought off 3 mps, and couldn't convert on 2 mps. He shouldn't have lost, but I still think maybe its a fear of confidence. If he would win, then everyone will expect him to win again...and again. I think he has a problem with the burden of winning more than say, Roger or Ferrero.

yeah, maybe we want more if he won. but we can't change anything about him. we'll cheer for his won and be sad for his losing. there are only things what we can do! however, the most important thing is what HE is thinking about. he always says that he want to be no.1 and even more, I believe that, and wait for it coming true. nevertheless, what do I see? lost, and lost again…… I don't care about my mood, but how does he think about these losing? if he really want anything, DO it, not for our fans, just for himself!

PennyThePenguin
04-19-2004, 02:32 AM
we can't do anything but watch and wait.
anyway, i hope at least he remains positive about his string of wins through to the final. and instead of harping on the loss or the code violation and his, "back with a passion" arguments with umpires, he'll reflect on the wins, though ugly and improve on that and make things "prettier" next time. while still winning of course, for himself, as june says. and as an added incentive, for US!

junekidd
04-19-2004, 02:48 AM
victory, whatever ugly it is, is good for safin now. as we known, the positive circulation needs a postive start first. so though the victory is ugly, it is also pretty and worthy of cheer. with the begining, he may play better and better. I will never lose my passion for him.

Denise
04-19-2004, 05:29 AM
Marat :sad: :sad: what happened gosh???? I dunno what to say, really :confused:

PennyThePenguin
04-19-2004, 07:56 AM
it's the usual thing denise... another mental meltdown...sigh...
another sign that marat is back...he starts arguing with umpires again.

maratski
04-19-2004, 10:51 AM
Thanks for those consolating words TF :hug:

I saw a summary of the match this morning and Marat started fighting too late. He had some chances in the last game, but also made some dumb unforced errors. I know that he is trying to improve, hence the new coach, but why did he need four stupid losses for it?
I just wonder how long it will go on like this. Federer and Ferrero stopped choking and are playing good. They realised they had to do something and are now enjoying the succes. When will Marat follow? I know in 2000 he was too young, but if he stays a chicken and gets nervous everytime, then he's destined to be the biggest underachiever EVER.

junekidd
04-19-2004, 11:31 AM
we all learn from losses, maybe he's destined to take a long journey to succeed and needs some help from others. all we could do is waiting patiently and encouraging him when he is in difficult condition.
tomorrow is a new start!

Shadow
04-19-2004, 12:15 PM
Marat said he learned from his loses before but obviously he didnt. Maybe he will finally wake up.

I just hope he is gonna get things together soon and i really hope the work together with Peter will be successfull. Thats all we can do now.

junekidd
04-19-2004, 12:25 PM
Marat said he learned from his loses before but obviously he didnt. Maybe he will finally wake up.

I just hope he is gonna get things together soon and i really hope the work together with Peter will be successfull. Thats all we can do now.

that's point! he always think he has done it, has learned from loses, but in fact, he had done nothing! what peter will do is that waking up him! sometimes he is over-confident of his mentality and sometimes he is less confident of his talent!

Vass
04-19-2004, 04:57 PM
I'm thinking that I should write something about what I think too, but I don't feel like.
I'm sick of thses loses. Marat is still a bad headcase... Plus, he should work harder.

PennyThePenguin
04-20-2004, 01:58 AM
he says he's learnt from his losses. maybe he's just got short term memory and forgets too quickly. so marat! START REMEMBERING THINGS! don't make me come up with lame excuses like this again.

yeah...sorry for that lame attempt at an excuse. actually, that excuse is a joke.