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FluffyYellowBall
03-24-2007, 09:30 AM
Maybe some of u have heard..

http://www.sportsmediainc.com/tennisweek/index.cfm?func=showarticle&newsid=16728&bannerregion=

Shorter Sunday: Miami Men's Final Will Be Best-Of-Three Sets


The Sony Ericsson Open's final Sunday will be shorter play day this year. The Miami Masters Series event, which has traditionally hosted a best-of-five-set men's final, will feature a best-of-three set final this year. Though the tournament itself sought to retain the longer final, the ATP has opted to shorten nearly all non-Grand Slam tournament finals to best-of-three sets.

Sony Ericsson Open tournament director Adam Barrett told The Miami Herald both the tournament and CBS, which will broadcast the men's final starting at noon on Sunday, April 1, are opposed to the ATP's mandate to reduce the Miami men's final from its traditional best-of-five set format to a best-of-three set final.

"We have objected, and think it is short-sighted and would be a tremendous mistake," Barrett said. "We feel the fans want to see five sets. We also have a $10 million contract with CBS and they want best-of-five."

Sunday's Pacific Life Open men's final between Rafael Nadal and Novak Djokovic was also a best-of-three set affair.

Player Council member James Blake said he supports the shorter final format.

"I haven't asked the players yet, but I have a feeling they would think it's a good thing coming from Indian Wells to here, because to play three out of five, if it's a five-setter, it ends up wearing on your body quite a bit, and then to come here and play a whole other six straight matches, especially in the heat here [is tough]," Blake said. "But for this final, you know, the rest of us are going to Davis Cup, it could be tough on our bodies to play a five-setter before. I think the general consensus is going to be to shorten it a little bit more because we are playing so many matches, and I think the Tour and the powers that be on the Tour are realizing how much stress we're putting on our bodies these days. So to shorten it these days, hopefully the fans still get what they're looking for in a two-out-of-three set match. You're still getting some great shot making and some good drama in a two-out-of-three set match. I would also like to have more experience in being in those finals so I could give you a better firsthand judgment of it, but that's just my experience from the outside looking in."

During the 2006 U.S. Open, the ATP announced several initiatives, including reducing most finals from best-of-five sets to best-of-three sets. The ATP said the change was made "to accommodate television programming," though in the case of the Sony Ericsson Open the host broadcaster requested the best-of-five set final.

In eliminating best-of-five set matches (the four majors: the Australian Open, Roland Garros, Wimbledon and the U.S. Open, which are governed by the International Tennis Federation, will retain the best-of-five set format), the ATP announced last August there would be a "few exceptions" and said the shorter match format will benefit broadcasters by offering a more reasonable match time while protecting players' health and ensuring the players have enough rest and recovery time to play in subsequent events.

"Best-of-five is perfect for the Grand Slams where you have two weeks, which means more days off for the players, and major time slots on broadcasts," said ATP Chairman and President Etienne de Villiers during the Open. (and how many weeks is miami again?)"Thatís not the case with the circuit events, where you play from week to week and recovery time is needed. Certainly, we have all enjoyed watching ATP tournaments that have featured some fabulous five-set matches, but at what cost? Subsequent tournaments suffer due to late withdrawals of marquee players, and players need time to recover."

Since Tim Mayotte fought back from a two-set deficit to defeat Scott Davis 4-6, 4-6, 6-3, 6-2, 6-4, in the first Sony Ericsson Open men's final in 1985 (the tournament was staged in Delray Beach that year and the title sponsor was Lipton), the men's final has traditionally been a best-of-five set match. Two years ago, Roger Federer fought off Nadal, 2-6, 6-7(4), 7-6(5), 6-3, 6-1, in a thrilling five-set final. Federer successfully defended his title last year with a 7-6(5), 7-6(4), 7-6(6) win over Ivan Ljubicic.

Bobby
03-24-2007, 10:03 AM
Best-of-three is good. I agree with de Villiers. Although I'm not sure Blake should say much about best-of-five finals right now...

FluffyYellowBall
03-24-2007, 10:09 AM
How is best of three good when it comes to a very close match like the rome and monte carlo final? I cant imagine those being best of 3 sets. If 2 players are good enough to reach the final then they will come close.

Kolya
03-24-2007, 10:09 AM
DW Blake is out.

pete25
03-24-2007, 10:11 AM
It should also be a good thing in the clay masters series events.

ezekiel
03-24-2007, 10:17 AM
best of 3 on clay is good where points are longer but hard court should be best of 5. Last week in IW final the match ended just when it was becoming good

Stensland
03-24-2007, 10:23 AM
i as a fan prefer best of 5 and i don't think it would hurt the miami masters to do it that way. you got lots of days to recover for dc and it expext a tennis professional to do a five-setter once in a while, even at masters.

i agree with most of you on iw, but miami? nothing special coming up the week after (dc is 5 (!!) days after the final), no tourney etc., so it would be alright to keep best of 5.

and btw: you get half a million dollar for the title, so i may expect that players do have to struggle a bit in order to get their paycheck. it's not like palermo or munich, where you "just" get 60k $ or something.

Jaffas85
03-24-2007, 10:32 AM
Best of 3 is for the best for the Masters Series, including first round Byes, so that hopefully all 9 Masters Series Events can host all of the top ranked players especially Federer and Nadal.

Last year I thought it was dissapointing that because the Rome final was so long that Hamburg was devoid of the two best players in the world and the same was true of the Paris Masters.

Also, if the players can play all Masters tournaments it would ensure more ranking points which would put more pressure on Federer and make things more interesting.

Fed-Express
03-24-2007, 11:17 AM
Old news.

Voo de Mar
03-24-2007, 11:55 AM
Since Tim Mayotte fought back from a two-set deficit to defeat Scott Davis 4-6, 4-6, 6-3, 6-2, 6-4, in the first Sony Ericsson Open men's final in 1985 (the tournament was staged in Delray Beach that year and the title sponsor was Lipton), the men's final has traditionally been a best-of-five set match. Two years ago, Roger Federer fought off Nadal, 2-6, 6-7(4), 7-6(5), 6-3, 6-1, in a thrilling five-set final. Federer successfully defended his title last year with a 7-6(5), 7-6(4), 7-6(6) win over Ivan Ljubicic.

The final was the best of three in years 1994-1995
'94: Sampras def. Agassi 5-7 6-3 6-3
'95: Agassi def. Sampras 3-6 6-2 7-6(4)

scoobs
03-24-2007, 12:01 PM
It was also best of three in 2000 and 2003

Voo de Mar
03-24-2007, 12:06 PM
It was also best of three in 2000 and 2003

No, it wasn't. In 2000 Sampras defeated Kuerten 6-1 6-7 7-6 7-6.
BTW in years 1985-1986 all the matches since the quarterfinals were "the best of five". In years 1987-1989 the matches in the whole event were "the best of five" and then a slogan "the fifth Grans Slam" had the sense.

scoobs
03-24-2007, 12:09 PM
My mistake. Just 2003 then. Read the results page wrong :o

silverwhite
03-24-2007, 12:27 PM
Why is this a surprise? IW final was best-of-3 too :shrug:

jazar
03-24-2007, 12:32 PM
what dickweeds

Fumus
03-24-2007, 12:47 PM
Nadal would have won...in 05'..lol...

nobama
03-24-2007, 01:34 PM
Mr Disney hard at work once again. :yeah:

Jimnik
03-24-2007, 01:55 PM
Player Council member James Blake said he supports the shorter final format.

"I haven't asked the players yet, but I have a feeling they would think it's a good thing coming from Indian Wells to here, because to play three out of five, if it's a five-setter, it ends up wearing on your body quite a bit, and then to come here and play a whole other six straight matches, especially in the heat here [is tough]," Blake said. "But for this final, you know, the rest of us are going to Davis Cup, it could be tough on our bodies to play a five-setter before. I think the general consensus is going to be to shorten it a little bit more because we are playing so many matches, and I think the Tour and the powers that be on the Tour are realizing how much stress we're putting on our bodies these days. So to shorten it these days, hopefully the fans still get what they're looking for in a two-out-of-three set match. You're still getting some great shot making and some good drama in a two-out-of-three set match. I would also like to have more experience in being in those finals so I could give you a better firsthand judgment of it, but that's just my experience from the outside looking in."
Blake talks as though the whole tour will be affected by this. There are only two finalists and at least one of them won't be playing Davis Cup the following week.

It's a stupid decision.

Johnny Groove
03-24-2007, 03:09 PM
Fuck you, Disney.

And James, you are really starting to sound like Disney. "I haven't asked anyone yet, but I think they'll agree with me :rolleyes:"

What's next? the TMC final is best of 3? :o

MaryWalsh
03-24-2007, 03:41 PM
Well, where was the RESEARCH for this one? Sounds like another "do it, try it, screw it up, hope it's not too fatally late to fix it" decision. And for television? Please. Many of us are on livestreams because we can't get decent television anyway. It is certainly stressful being a fan these days.

Kitty de Sade
03-24-2007, 03:44 PM
And the madness continues... I completely disagree with what Blake said, but if the people in charge are determined to run it into the ground, they will do just that.

Pity it turned out this way, it was the wrong decision again.

Bobby
03-24-2007, 04:47 PM
It's very strange how so many people here believe de Villiers simply can't make any right decisions. There are probably reasons for this decisions which a normal fan will never know.
It's obvious that most of the fans would prefer a best-of-five final, but it's also clear that the ATP has some valid points if they decide otherwise. But for most of the people at MTF it's just another thing that Mr. Disney fucked up.

Yes, de Villiers has made one big mistake but it's sad how so many people here have decided that he is instantly a bad, incompetent, and stupid person.

Bobby
03-24-2007, 04:50 PM
Well, where was the RESEARCH for this one? Sounds like another "do it, try it, screw it up, hope it's not too fatally late to fix it" decision. And for television? Please. Many of us are on livestreams because we can't get decent television anyway. It is certainly stressful being a fan these days.


Of course there was research for this one. Do you seriously think that the ATP should present every analysis they make to every fan around around the world?

Just because you don't read their analysis, doesn't mean that there isn't any.

decrepitude
03-24-2007, 05:06 PM
http://www.sonyericssonopen.com/tour_info/t_facts.html

The tournament website says it is best of five. . .

Seems the right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing:help:

FluffyYellowBall
03-24-2007, 07:51 PM
*edit*

FluffyYellowBall
03-24-2007, 07:58 PM
Well, where was the RESEARCH for this one? Sounds like another "do it, try it, screw it up, hope it's not too fatally late to fix it" decision. And for television? Please. Many of us are on livestreams because we can't get decent television anyway. It is certainly stressful being a fan these days.

i knooow...That the EXACT feeling im getting. You know, if he had some logical explanation behind it and saved his RR idea for 08 or 09, then maybe he would have taken some time to talk it through with the players and get as much feedback on it as possible. Its like conducting an experiment without the sufficient materials. Same thing with Monte Carlo. Hello, u dont just CANCEL A WHOLE MASTERS SERIES event just like that. No proper reasoning what so ever. Monte Carlo is probably going and that a big step to take in just a year.

I have a q. How long will de villers be staying?

uglyamerican
03-24-2007, 09:04 PM
http://www.sonyericssonopen.com/tour_info/t_facts.html

The tournament website says it is best of five. . .

Seems the right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing:help:

My sources say IW=best of 3, Miami=best of 5.

CyBorg
03-24-2007, 09:08 PM
Blake is De Villiers' bitch.

He is Judas.

CyBorg
03-24-2007, 09:08 PM
DW Blake is out.

Excellent. Don't let the door hit you on your way out, James.

CyBorg
03-24-2007, 09:10 PM
Of course there was research for this one. Do you seriously think that the ATP should present every analysis they make to every fan around around the world?

Yes.

FluffyYellowBall
03-24-2007, 09:13 PM
No there obiously wasnt enough thinking brought into RR just proves it. Usually if he did think about it enough, something good would have come out of rr

The Pro
03-25-2007, 09:43 AM
Player Council member James Blake said he supports the shorter final format.

TWAT. Twat-twat-twat-twat-what-a-twat!

I'm astonished how much I'm beginning to find James Blake to be smug and unbearable. I always liked him and thought he was a decent, likable sort. But he's proving himself to be really self serving and arrogant.

First he avails of a very self serving and unsporting rule switch during the endgame of Round Robin, not coming out clean at all, and now he is speaking on behalf of players and fans with comments that the majority would find incredibly objectionable.

He doesn't want 5 setters because he can't handle them. (As if he's gonna see another final anyway).:rolleyes:

my0118
03-25-2007, 09:46 AM
TWAT. Twat-twat-twat-twat-what-a-twat!

I'm astonished how much I'm beginning to find James Blake to be smug and unbearable. I always liked him and thought he was a decent, likable sort. But he's proving himself to be really self serving and arrogant.

First he avails of a very self serving and unsporting rule switch during the endgame of Round Robin, not coming out clean at all, and now he is speaking on behalf of players and fans with comments that the majority would find incredibly objectionable.

He doesn't want 5 setters because he can't handle them. (As if he's gonna see another final anyway).:rolleyes:

Calm down, he won't reach the best of 3 set final anway.

decrepitude
03-25-2007, 10:06 AM
Still on the tournament website:

Format - The only combined 12-day Tennis Masters Series event on the ATP and Sony Ericsson WTA Tour calendar, the Sony Ericsson Open features the world's top-ranked pros Ė 96 men and 96 women in singles competition, and 32 men's teams and 32 women's teams in doubles action. The menís final is best 3-out-of-5 sets with every other match in both menís and womenís singles and doubles will be best 2-out-of-3.

The Pro
03-25-2007, 10:28 AM
Calm down, he won't reach the best of 3 set final anway.

I'm ok now. We all have an overload of bile sometimes. :o

~EMiLiTA~
03-25-2007, 11:54 AM
crap idea. IW and miami should be best of 5...they're long drawn out enough

Via
03-25-2007, 01:04 PM
It's very strange how so many people here believe de Villiers simply can't make any right decisions. There are probably reasons for this decisions which a normal fan will never know.
It's obvious that most of the fans would prefer a best-of-five final, but it's also clear that the ATP has some valid points if they decide otherwise. But for most of the people at MTF it's just another thing that Mr. Disney fucked up.

Yes, de Villiers has made one big mistake but it's sad how so many people here have decided that he is instantly a bad, incompetent, and stupid person.

most people on MTF were right about RR the last time :banana: ... and most people are likely to be right again with this one. at least about having 5 sets for IW and miami finals. i'm ok with the clay masters having best of 3, it depends on who play in them.

btw they don't need research for doing this... there were tournament directors (hamburg, paris, shanghai) screaming at the atp executives for their missing star attractions, and this is the end result. i do believe there is more player support for 3 set finals though, it's not hard to imagine.

Fee
03-25-2007, 06:38 PM
Woah... the Tournament Fact Sheet released to the players before the tournament began said this was a best of five final. Once again, it looks like they changed their minds AFTER the tournament began. That is complete HORSESHIT.

CyBorg
03-25-2007, 06:50 PM
Blake also spoke out in support of the idea to force all qualified pros to play at each and every masters series tournament in the fiscal year.

De Villiers is either blackmailing him or Blake is just a gutless little sidekick, kind of like the parrott Yago in Alladin.

Merton
03-25-2007, 07:08 PM
It's very strange how so many people here believe de Villiers simply can't make any right decisions. There are probably reasons for this decisions which a normal fan will never know.
It's obvious that most of the fans would prefer a best-of-five final, but it's also clear that the ATP has some valid points if they decide otherwise. But for most of the people at MTF it's just another thing that Mr. Disney fucked up.

Yes, de Villiers has made one big mistake but it's sad how so many people here have decided that he is instantly a bad, incompetent, and stupid person.

There is enough evidence for incompetence at this point, let me just summarize it in one minute:
-Mr. Disney starts talking big about change in the ATP, everybody knows the real issues, then when it comes to actions look at his priorities: Introducing the RR format was the first big change he implemented.
-One would think that once the change was made every thought would go into how to implement the system in the best possible way. Instead we come with the chaos of the first tournaments where nobody could figure out how points were allocated, how qualies would work out and so on.
-There was no response after the Buenos Aires tournament, indeed a blind person could easily foresee that the format with groups of 3 players was doomed.
-He handled the situation in Las Vegas in the worst possible way, his autocratic tendency to intervene in a biased and wrong way is worrying enough but not knowing his own authority is a no no for any credible executive.

This is just a brief, short summary. In short, if the ATP was a public company I can imagine that it would be a prime takeover target, there must be value in replacing the current management with a more competent one.

Merton
03-25-2007, 07:11 PM
As for James, I think he merely states his opinion but given his record he would be better off excusing himself on commenting on the issue of best of 5 finals.

Filipo
03-25-2007, 07:18 PM
Blake is talking about best of 5 matches :) hahaha big fun :) Even two finals in a row :) In what world he is living. Only 2-3 guys can make consecutive finals in IW and Miami and they can handle the tiredness ;)

Greg-Pete fan
03-26-2007, 11:57 AM
The final was the best of three in years 1994-1995
'94: Sampras def. Agassi 5-7 6-3 6-3
'95: Agassi def. Sampras 3-6 6-2 7-6(4)

1995: Agassi def Sampras 3-6 6-2 7-6(3):)

kobulingam
03-26-2007, 12:04 PM
Good. So Nadal saves a lot of wear because of this (assuming he makes final) and his walk-over.

Saumon
03-26-2007, 12:14 PM
There is enough evidence for incompetence at this point, let me just summarize it in one minute:
-Mr. Disney starts talking big about change in the ATP, everybody knows the real issues, then when it comes to actions look at his priorities: Introducing the RR format was the first big change he implemented.
-One would think that once the change was made every thought would go into how to implement the system in the best possible way. Instead we come with the chaos of the first tournaments where nobody could figure out how points were allocated, how qualies would work out and so on.
-There was no response after the Buenos Aires tournament, indeed a blind person could easily foresee that the format with groups of 3 players was doomed.
-He handled the situation in Las Vegas in the worst possible way, his autocratic tendency to intervene in a biased and wrong way is worrying enough but not knowing his own authority is a no no for any credible executive.

This is just a brief, short summary. In short, if the ATP was a public company I can imagine that it would be a prime takeover target, there must be value in replacing the current management with a more competent one.

shhhhh!!! Mr Disney is always right. Period. (cf the second quote in my signature :retard: )

as for James comments on best-of-5 matches... :tape: no one has told him yet he should keep a low profile? :rolleyes:

When do we start the petition to save best-of-5 finals? :o :sobbing: the best matches I've ever seen were almost all 5-set dramas or close 4 sets matches :awww:

FluffyYellowBall
03-26-2007, 12:25 PM
we should write a petition...Maybe he read MTF last time?? NOT.

scoobs
03-26-2007, 06:19 PM
Jason Goodall just said on the masters tv live feed that all matches this week are best of three tiebreak sets, except the final, which, like last year, is best of 5 sets.

uglyamerican
03-26-2007, 06:27 PM
Jason Goodall just said on the masters tv live feed that all matches this week are best of three tiebreak sets, except the final, which, like last year, is best of 5 sets.

That's what I've heard. IW was changed, Miami wasn't.

MrExcel
04-01-2007, 03:11 PM
Tournament website is still saying best of 5:

http://www.sonyericssonopen.com/tour_info/t_facts.html


Also, the ATP results page is saying best of 5:

http://www.atptennis.com/1/en/scores/


Anyone have the confirmed format??

avocadoe
04-01-2007, 03:29 PM
nothing beyond what you offer...what about the betting sites?

avocadoe
04-01-2007, 03:31 PM
Canas v Djokovic - Set Betting

In-play
Bet fair shows odds for 3 outta 5

MrExcel
04-01-2007, 04:14 PM
Best of 5 it is!

*Viva Chile*
04-01-2007, 04:15 PM
Confirmed, it's best of 5... ESPN commentators said that ;)

please change the name of the thread :p

danton
04-01-2007, 04:20 PM
Sky also say best of 5

Voo de Mar
04-01-2007, 04:23 PM
Should be a long match cuz they both know, how to play long rallies :yeah:

Johnny Groove
04-01-2007, 04:29 PM
Wow, my Florida tournament actually got something right :eek:

danton
04-01-2007, 04:32 PM
I know it wants to keep its reputation as the fifth grand slam but I would be happy with a three set final. With all the rally's this could take hours and hours......

*Viva Chile*
04-01-2007, 05:05 PM
Also the comentators said that this is the last year with 5 set final... next year will be best of 3 like all the TMS tournaments :o