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Monfils future?

The Freak
03-24-2007, 12:58 AM
There is no question Gael has massive potential, with tons of speed, mixed in with tons of power. Most would say his potential is much greater than other young guns. The question is when he will get his game going again. He just hired his coach from juniors prior to his win at the Challenger event in Sunrise. I love watching this guy play and hope he gets going in the upcoming clay court season, probably his best surface. Any thoughts, other than just ripping Gael?

Burrow
03-24-2007, 01:01 AM
There is no question Gael has massive potential, with tons of speed, mixed in with tons of power. Most would say his potential is much greater than other young guns. The question is when he will get his game going again. He just hired his coach from juniors prior to his win at the Challenger event in Sunrise. I love watching this guy play and hope he gets going in the upcoming clay court season, probably his best surface. Any thoughts, other than just ripping Gael?

speak for yourself.

scoobs
03-24-2007, 01:09 AM
Indeed. Change the word "most" for "few" and we might be closer to the truth.

I've nothing against Monfils but he has a lot of work to do right now and I hope his new coach can help him get down to it - he's going backwards at the moment.

Byrd
03-24-2007, 01:11 AM
Flipping burgers at Mcdonalds.

The Freak
03-24-2007, 01:12 AM
speak for yourself.

Read the last sentence at least.

http://blogs.sun-sentinel.com/sports_tennisblog/2007/03/monfils_back_to.html

Rosa Luxembourg
03-24-2007, 01:21 AM
^^^



so? still one opinion. two together with yours. not most.

richie21
03-24-2007, 01:23 AM
There is no question Gael has massive potential, with tons of speed, mixed in with tons of power.

the problem is that to have speed and power doesn t necessarly mean you'll be a great TENNIS player.....it's not athletism we are talking about there.

Rosa Luxembourg
03-24-2007, 01:26 AM
so true. sheer athletism works on women's tour (see Williams sisters), but on the men's there are a lot of guys who can handle players like that.

silverwhite
03-24-2007, 01:26 AM
Read the last sentence at least.

http://blogs.sun-sentinel.com/sports_tennisblog/2007/03/monfils_back_to.html

Well, the writer is in the minority :shrug:

scoobs
03-24-2007, 01:35 AM
Monfils can be a top 20, top 30 player, perhaps a bit higher. But he needs to change his tactics and how he approaches the game. The way he plays right now - big serve and then hang WAAAY back and attempt to outlast the opponent - it's not going to get it done. Roddick couldn't get it done like that, and, forgive me, he's a better player. Monfils won't either. He needs better strategy and he needs to stop sliding on a hardcourt before he does his ankles permanent damage.

sondraj06
03-24-2007, 01:39 AM
Flipping burgers at Mcdonalds.

HAHAHAH:devil:

SushiMinimal
03-24-2007, 01:51 AM
Who is this ??

Byrd
03-24-2007, 01:53 AM
HAHAHAH:devil:

It'll be the same with Rafa in a few years time as well :wavey:

Johnny Groove
03-24-2007, 01:54 AM
Gael could always get a job as a hairstylist :tape: :tape:

GlennMirnyi
03-24-2007, 01:55 AM
Monfils never had a future. :lol:

mangoes
03-24-2007, 01:58 AM
It is disappointing for me to see what's happening to Monfils..........I like him:lol: Anyway, hopefully, with a new coach, things will get back on track. He is on a downward slide. But he is young and will hopefully turn things around.

sondraj06
03-24-2007, 01:58 AM
It'll be the same with Rafa in a few years time as well :wavey:

As long as you hold tight your feddybear every night and wish really really hard. And if that doesn't work take a trip to Disney world, where dreams really do come true.

Byrd
03-24-2007, 02:00 AM
As long as you hold tight your feddybear every night and wish really really hard. And if that doesn't work take a trip to Disney world, where dreams really do come true.

Disney world haha, Rafa tried that with de villiers but that didn't stop him walking out of the meeting Lol

GlennMirnyi
03-24-2007, 02:06 AM
It'll be the same with Rafa in a few years time as well :wavey:

For sure.

Jaffas85
03-24-2007, 02:08 AM
Why can't he play like he did against Baghdatis in the 2nd round of the Australian Open all the time.....

Now that was impressive.

CmonAussie
03-24-2007, 02:11 AM
It'll be the same with Rafa in a few years time as well :wavey:


:wavey:
Hey Byrd:cool:
>>>
So a few years down the track Rafa will be done:confused:
~~
That`s OK because Rafa will have won 5-Slams, 15-TMS, 40-titles...etc.;)

GlennMirnyi
03-24-2007, 02:13 AM
:wavey:
Hey Byrd:cool:
>>>
So a few years down the track Rafa will be done:confused:
~~
That`s OK because Rafa will have won 5-Slams, 15-TMS, 40-titles...etc.;)

:cuckoo:

MisterQ
03-24-2007, 02:18 AM
Flipping burgers at Mcdonalds.

Are they flipped or just microwaved these days? :shrug:

Or maybe I don't want to know what happens to them... :lol:

Byrd
03-24-2007, 02:20 AM
Are they flipped or just microwaved these days? :shrug:

Or maybe I don't want to know what happens to them... :lol:

Don't worry as the eventual results with Monfils doing it will always be the same, undercooked :p .

kundalini
03-24-2007, 02:45 AM
Monfils has weapons but at present he doesn't have a game plan beyond keeping the ball in play and hoping his opponent misses. That or taking a wild swing at the ball which either goes for a winner or lands miles out of court.

He's got height, he's got speed around the court, he's got decent passing shots; so that's a start. Top 20, maybe even top 10, should be in range once he gets some confidence and begins to construct his points in a more intelligent fashion. But he's going to have to do a lot of growing up in a very short period of time if he is to challenge the likes of Gasquet, Djokovic and Murray.

At present it is far too easy to beat Monfils by simply playing the percentages. He cannot afford to sit so deep behind the baseline, to be so passive, to ask so few questions. Nor can he afford the reckless shotmaking, the low percentage tennis he plays when he is behind.

GlennMirnyi
03-24-2007, 03:00 AM
Monfils has weapons but at present he doesn't have a game plan beyond keeping the ball in play and hoping his opponent misses. That or taking a wild swing at the ball which either goes for a winner or lands miles out of court.

He's got height, he's got speed around the court, he's got decent passing shots; so that's a start. Top 20, maybe even top 10, should be in range once he gets some confidence and begins to construct his points in a more intelligent fashion. But he's going to have to do a lot of growing up in a very short period of time if he is to challenge the likes of Gasquet, Djokovic and Murray.

At present it is far too easy to beat Monfils by simply playing the percentages. He cannot afford to sit so deep behind the baseline, to be so passive, to ask so few questions. Nor can he afford the reckless shotmaking, the low percentage tennis he plays when he is behind.

Weapons? So he keeps guns and knives at home? :lol:

Psichogauchovna
03-24-2007, 03:11 AM
Weapons? So he keeps guns and knives at home?

It's a childish reply :rolleyes:

GlennMirnyi
03-24-2007, 03:13 AM
It's childish reply :rolleyes:

You mean it's A childish reply? No, this is something called sarcasm. Monfils has no weapons, he's game is mediocre at best and he plays only passing balls and hoping for mistakes. It's almost pathetic that a man with his height can't play a straight-forward game.

Psichogauchovna
03-24-2007, 03:18 AM
You mean it's A childish reply?

thx for correcting my mistakes, it's very kind of you

JBdV
03-24-2007, 03:28 AM
You mean it's A childish reply? No, this is something called sarcasm. Monfils has no weapons.

Monfils IS a weapon :cool:

supertommyhaas
03-24-2007, 06:05 AM
monfils has got great potential but he is thick in the head and does not use his power and speed to be a top 20

Allez
03-24-2007, 10:18 AM
Monfils seems to be on a one way ticket to oblivion right now. He's the only one of the young guns going to wrong direction. Even though he has tons of muscle and loads of speed he still doesn't play the way you'd expect someone with those assets to play. I just don't like his style of play. It's all over the place. No strategy. Even his ground strokes look suspect...sort of loopy...not proper topspin and with not nearly as enough umph as you might expect from him. He ought to try and flatten out his shots like a Haas or a Blake. At least he is young still so there is loads of room for improvement.

Burrow
03-24-2007, 01:14 PM
Im not ripping Gael, you are completely hyperbolizing.

richie21
03-24-2007, 01:34 PM
Monfils seems to be on a one way ticket to oblivion right now. He's the only one of the young guns going to wrong direction. Even though he has tons of muscle and loads of speed he still doesn't play the way you'd expect someone with those assets to play. I just don't like his style of play. It's all over the place. No strategy. Even his ground strokes look suspect...sort of loopy...not proper topspin and with not nearly as enough umph as you might expect from him. He ought to try and flatten out his shots like a Haas or a Blake. At least he is young still so there is loads of room for improvement.


i wouldn t say Berdych,Baghdatis and even Gasquet are going to the right direction though....:o

jazar
03-24-2007, 01:37 PM
monfils is too bipolar to reach the heights. one day he will be really up for it and playing on fire, then the next he will look uninterested and get the shit beat out of him

Loremaster
03-24-2007, 01:42 PM
Future ?? What Future , Monfils has no future

richie21
03-24-2007, 01:43 PM
Future ?? What Future , Monfils has no future

yes,he has one......in Basketball probably :o

GlennMirnyi
03-24-2007, 09:01 PM
Monfils IS a weapon :cool:

Of course, if you drop him on someone's head. :lol:

silverwhite
03-24-2007, 10:34 PM
Monfils IS a weapon :cool:

I think the world you're looking for is "tool". :angel:

JBdV
03-25-2007, 01:28 AM
Of course, if you drop him on someone's head. :lol:

I think the world you're looking for is "tool". :angel:

:ras:

Peoples
03-25-2007, 01:35 AM
Really bright future. Easily the best young player out there. Will win multiple slams, get to finals, and win a bucketload of smaller titles*





*In Wertheim's world

Burrow
03-25-2007, 08:40 PM
Gael could always get a job as a hairstylist :tape: :tape:

Coming from a nadal fan :tape:

Hugh Jaas
04-04-2007, 02:08 AM
Weapons? So he keeps guns and knives at home? :lol:

I see that the bigoted racist remarks still exist on mtf in 2007.

danton
04-04-2007, 03:01 AM
It's a shame but there are always going to be players who don't reach their potential for one reason or another.

GlennMirnyi
04-04-2007, 03:04 AM
I see that the bigoted racist remarks still exist on mtf in 2007.

I hate Nadal/Murray/Roddick. Am I racist now? :retard:

danton
04-04-2007, 03:13 AM
I hate Nadal/Murray/Roddick. Am I racist now? :retard:

I remeber a whole topic where 'peoples' said everyone was racist for criticising Monfils. I re-read the whole thing again - in no way was it racist. You can't talk about someone of a different colour, religion or ethnicity without being worried about being labelled racist by usually a white person. Whereas the person you are talking about would be scratching their heads wondering what the hell was going on.

People should not jump to conclusions and be so easily offended. And if someone calls Monfils ugly 'Peoples' they weren't being racist.

Glennmirnyi - your comment about Monfils having weapons was crass and offensive but more juvenille than racist

GlennMirnyi
04-04-2007, 03:20 AM
I remeber a whole topic where 'peoples' said everyone was racist for criticising Monfils. I re-read the whole thing again - in no way was it racist. You can't talk about someone of a different colour, religion or ethnicity without being worried about being labelled racist by usually a white person. Whereas the person you are talking about would be scratching their heads wondering what the hell was going on.

People should not jump to conclusions and be so easily offended. And if someone calls Monfils ugly 'Peoples' they weren't being racist.

Glennmirnyi - your comment about Monfils having weapons was crass and offensive but more juvenille than racist

It was supposed to be like that. Monfils is one of the worst players I've ever seen. Ridiculous strokes, ridiculous attitude. Basically, no game.

Johnny Groove
04-04-2007, 03:23 AM
It was supposed to be like that. Monfils is one of the worst players I've ever seen. Ridiculous strokes, ridiculous attitude. Basically, no game.

I like him :yeah:

RickDaStick
04-04-2007, 03:23 AM
I think Serena is the nastiest, most digusting looking human being i have ever seen. That according to MTF makes me a racist. :eek:

Johnny Groove
04-04-2007, 03:24 AM
I think Serena is the nastiest, most digusting looking human being i have ever seen. That according to MTF makes me a racist. :eek:

no, that means you are both sane and have 20/20 vision

RickDaStick
04-04-2007, 03:26 AM
no, that means you are both sane and have 20/20 vision


Well, last time i said that i had about 8 bad reps telling me how i am a racist. The Williams family and their fans need to realize people hate them because they are annoying as hell not because they are black. They are ALWAYS trying to play the race card.

GlennMirnyi
04-04-2007, 03:26 AM
I like him :yeah:

Well, you like Nadal, so... ;)

Johnny Groove
04-04-2007, 03:28 AM
Well, last time i said that i had about 8 bad reps telling me how i am a racist. The Williams family and their fans need to realize people hate them because they are annoying as hell not because they are black. They are ALWAYS trying to play the race card.

Well now you have one rep the other way.

I really dont like seeing the race card being played. Especially when its white people saying that someone is racist because of something they said about blacks (or any other race) :o

Johnny Groove
04-04-2007, 03:29 AM
Well, you like Nadal, so... ;)

And Roddick, Nalbandian, Blake, Hewitt, etc. etc. etc. :)

GlennMirnyi
04-04-2007, 03:32 AM
And Roddick, Nalbandian, Blake, Hewitt, etc. etc. etc. :)

Federer's bitches club. :lol:

Johnny Groove
04-04-2007, 03:35 AM
Federer's bitches club. :lol:

And Canas and Nadal are his bitches? :p

GlennMirnyi
04-04-2007, 03:43 AM
And Canas and Nadal are his bitches? :p

Don't cry when the H2H turns to something like 14-6, like what happened to Hewitt. :p ;)

So you like Cañas just because he defeated Federer? :lol: Time to open some space in the sig for Hrbaty, Mantilla, Kuerten... :lol:

Johnny Groove
04-04-2007, 03:48 AM
Don't cry when the H2H turns to something like 14-6, like what happened to Hewitt. :p ;)

So you like Cañas just because he defeated Federer? :lol: Time to open some space in the sig for Hrbaty, Mantilla, Kuerten... :lol:

I liked Cañas because he plays that grinder style, and because of all the shit he got from the dopertards when he came back, especially that Waske loss thread :rolleyes:

When he beat Federer, that was great in IW, then I saw him the day he beat federer in Miami, and hes a great person. So thats why I like him :p He also beat Federer, and thats a big plus. :p

I also became a fan of Nole in Miami, despite the fact that he beat Nadal.

Hrbaty?!?!?! That clown? Mantilla?!?! I guess I should like Berdych too, right? :lol: Guga, I like, how can we Brazilians not like Guga? :lol:

GlennMirnyi
04-04-2007, 03:49 AM
I liked Cañas because he plays that grinder style, and because of all the shit he got from the dopertards when he came back, especially that Waske loss thread :rolleyes:

When he beat Federer, that was great in IW, then I saw him the day he beat federer in Miami, and hes a great person. So thats why I like him :p He also beat Federer, and thats a big plus. :p

I also became a fan of Nole in Miami, despite the fact that he beat Nadal.

Hrbaty?!?!?! That clown? Mantilla?!?! I guess I should like Berdych too, right? :lol: Guga, I like, how can we Brazilians not like Guga? :lol:

So if you like the grinder style what are Blake and Nalbandian doing there? :p ;)

Hrbaty and Mantilla defeated Federer... :lol:

Zirconek
04-04-2007, 03:50 AM
Monfils was hyped and is a big disappointment.

Johnny Groove
04-04-2007, 03:58 AM
So if you like the grinder style what are Blake and Nalbandian doing there? :p ;)

Hrbaty and Mantilla defeated Federer... :lol:

I like Blake also because of alot of shit hes had to go through, and because hes American :p

As for Fat Dave, I like him because hes always interesting to follow :rolls:

So what if Hrbaty and Mantilla beat Federer? That shithead Berdych did too. I dont like any of them.

thrust
04-04-2007, 06:04 PM
Dim

BORO77
04-04-2007, 06:14 PM
Monfils has chosen a completely wrong sport, he should have played basketball or run 100m or 200m.
As a tennis player he is nothing. I dont understand how he got to the top100 anyway:)

r2473
04-04-2007, 09:46 PM
I think Serena is the nastiest, most digusting looking human being i have ever seen. That according to MTF makes me a racist. :eek:

It's off-topic, but that, according to me, means that you are an idiot. When Serena was in her prime, she had one of THE BEST bodies on either tours. She was in excellent condition. Hit with power and moved well. Now, she is in good to very good condition, but not excellent. Seems to be improving each month.

Look at her arms and shoulders. Wow. Look at her legs. Not bad at all. She does have a large "booty", but that is just how she is built.

That said, she is far from my dream girl. I don't find her attractive, but "the nastiest, most digusting looking human being i have ever seen?"

You are surely an idiot.

RickDaStick
04-04-2007, 09:47 PM
It's off-topic, but that, according to me, means that you are an idiot. When Serena was in her prime, she had one of THE BEST bodies on either tours. She was in excellent condition. Hit with power and moved well. Now, she is in good to very good condition, but not excellent. Seems to be improving each month.

Look at her arms and shoulders. Wow. Look at her legs. Not bad at all. She does have a large "booty", but that is just how she is built.

That said, she is far from my dream girl. I don't find her attractive, but "the nastiest, most digusting looking human being i have ever seen?"

You are surely an idiot.


If you love tree trunks.

r2473
04-04-2007, 09:54 PM
Anyway, Monfils is a 20-year old ranked #45 in the world. I think this means he is pretty good.

http://www.atptennis.com/3/en/players/playerprofiles/?playernumber=MC65

I think anyone who has played tennis realizes, young players like to hit hard and take chances. They know how to hit, but don't know how to play winning tennis.

I find Monfils more the rule. Nadal, Djokovic, Murray, etc. are more the exceptions (and Murray certainly loses his cool pretty often).

Give Monfils a chance to mature mentally (and physically....he is 6' 4" 177 pounds. I think 190 is a better weight for him and he will add that muscle).

I think he will be very good once he get the "piss and vinegar" out of his system.

madmanfool
04-04-2007, 10:22 PM
I said this before and i'll say it again:

"I wish people didn't mention Monfils together with the likes of Nadal, Gasquet, Berdych, Djokovic, Murray, Del Potro,... He doesn't belong there"

jazar
04-04-2007, 10:23 PM
it should be lack thereof

GlennMirnyi
04-05-2007, 02:41 AM
Anyway, Monfils is a 20-year old ranked #45 in the world. I think this means he is pretty good.

http://www.atptennis.com/3/en/players/playerprofiles/?playernumber=MC65

I think anyone who has played tennis realizes, young players like to hit hard and take chances. They know how to hit, but don't know how to play winning tennis.

I find Monfils more the rule. Nadal, Djokovic, Murray, etc. are more the exceptions (and Murray certainly loses his cool pretty often).

Give Monfils a chance to mature mentally (and physically....he is 6' 4" 177 pounds. I think 190 is a better weight for him and he will add that muscle).

I think he will be very good once he get the "piss and vinegar" out of his system.

Monfils can't hit winners, get a clue.

r2473
04-05-2007, 05:03 PM
Monfils can't hit winners, get a clue.

I'm not sure what you mean by "can't". I swear I have seen Monfils hit a winner before. I mean, even I can hit winners.

At 20, his future is up in the air. He has great tools but doesn't always use them well. He needs to mature mentally and develop into a tennis player, not just a mindless ball basher that likes to run around like a gazelle.

However, many a professional tennis player with "great potential" have left that potential unfullfilled.

Like anyone else, his future is really up to him.

bigbhoy
04-05-2007, 07:35 PM
I think Serena is the nastiest, most digusting looking human being i have ever seen. That according to MTF makes me a racist. :eek:

This coming from someone who named themselves after this:

Ljubo Passport Pic (http://www.tmi.fft.fr/atp.besancon/palmares/anciens/ljubicic.jpg)

Granted, she may not be everybody's cup of tea but she's far from the nasxtiest piece of work that someone has ever seen. I'm sure there are tons of guys out there that would tap some & drool over her. If I had to choose, I'd take her over some stick thin twiggy player any day! I saw her in the crowd at the US open & she had her hair down with a hat on & actually thought she looked kinda nice.

I think JHH is fugly!

JHH1 (http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/sports/2007-02/08/xin_540204081049095222349.jpg)
JHH 2 (http://www.fuzzysignal.com/tennis/before/justine-henin-hardenne.jpg)
JHH 3 (http://tennis-extra.com/henin_wta.jpg)

While JJ is just as bad in my eyes:

JJ (http://www.tribuneindia.com/2005/20050306/sp2.jpg)

So while I wouldn't touch them with a 1000ft bargepole, they still aren't the ugliest women in the world (close, but just not enough to merit such a title). You may think that she's this freak of nature, while others think she's gorgeous, beautiful or whatever. Just like most women would consider Ljubo ugly, while you think he's cool enough to be named after!

Point being, she may not be the prettiest woman in the world, but she's far from the ugliest as some pics below will show!

SW 1 (http://boortz.com/images/serena_williams.jpg)
SW 2 (http://www.tomjamison.co.uk/photography/pnov/images/Serena-Williams_jpg.jpg)
SW 3 (http://eur.i1.yimg.com/eur.yimg.com/xp/premiere_photo/20050905/16/4156311910.jpg)
SW 3 (http://www.oceleb.com/img/serena-williams/serena-williams-1.jpg)
SW 4 (http://www.bossip.com/uploaded_images/serena2-785270.jpg)

In fact, some of the women you probably consider beautiful, are mingers in real life:

Celebs without makeup (http://seehere.blogspot.com/2006/08/celebrities-without-makeup.html)

Eva Longoria, supposedly the most beautiful woman in the world:

Without Makeup (http://www.niquehappy.com/blog/2007/01/30/eva-longoria-really-needs-her-makeup/)

Yet without it, a bar drunk with goggle eyes, probably would walk past her & not give her a second glance!

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder!

bigbhoy
04-05-2007, 07:38 PM
I'm not sure what you mean by "can't". I swear I have seen Monfils hit a winner before. I mean, even I can hit winners.


Max thinks very few players can hit his definition of what a 'winner' is, so I wouldn't read too much into it!

Burrow
04-05-2007, 07:46 PM
This coming from someone who named themselves after this:

Ljubo Passport Pic (http://www.tmi.fft.fr/atp.besancon/palmares/anciens/ljubicic.jpg)

Granted, she may not be everybody's cup of tea but she's far from the nasxtiest piece of work that someone has ever seen. I'm sure there are tons of guys out there that would tap some & drool over her. If I had to choose, I'd take her over some stick thin twiggy player any day! I saw her in the crowd at the US open & she had her hair down with a hat on & actually thought she looked kinda nice.

I think JHH is fugly!

JHH1 (http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/sports/2007-02/08/xin_540204081049095222349.jpg)
JHH 2 (http://www.fuzzysignal.com/tennis/before/justine-henin-hardenne.jpg)
JHH 3 (http://tennis-extra.com/henin_wta.jpg)

While JJ is just as bad in my eyes:

JJ (http://www.tribuneindia.com/2005/20050306/sp2.jpg)

So while I wouldn't touch them with a 1000ft bargepole, they still aren't the ugliest women in the world (close, but just not enough to merit such a title). You may think that she's this freak of nature, while others think she's gorgeous, beautiful or whatever. Just like most women would consider Ljubo ugly, while you think he's cool enough to be named after!

Point being, she may not be the prettiest woman in the world, but she's far from the ugliest as some pics below will show!

SW 1 (http://boortz.com/images/serena_williams.jpg)
SW 2 (http://www.tomjamison.co.uk/photography/pnov/images/Serena-Williams_jpg.jpg)
SW 3 (http://eur.i1.yimg.com/eur.yimg.com/xp/premiere_photo/20050905/16/4156311910.jpg)
SW 3 (http://www.oceleb.com/img/serena-williams/serena-williams-1.jpg)
SW 4 (http://www.bossip.com/uploaded_images/serena2-785270.jpg)

In fact, some of the women you probably consider beautiful, are mingers in real life:

Celebs without makeup (http://seehere.blogspot.com/2006/08/celebrities-without-makeup.html)

Eva Longoria, supposedly the most beautiful woman in the world:

Without Makeup (http://www.niquehappy.com/blog/2007/01/30/eva-longoria-really-needs-her-makeup/)

Yet without it, a bar drunk with goggle eyes, probably would walk past her & not give her a second glance!

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder!


eva longoria - never found her attractive.
serena - disgusting. Looks very manly.
Henin - Revolting,

I couldnt pick who is better out of henin and williams.
and as IvanLjubicic said, if you like tree trunks.

Sofonda Cox
04-05-2007, 07:48 PM
serena - disgusting. Looks very manly.
Henin - Revolting,
.

at least its possible to suck serena's tits, henin's got nothing.

GlennMirnyi
04-05-2007, 07:51 PM
Max thinks very few players can hit his definition of what a 'winner' is, so I wouldn't read too much into it!

Better than your definition of your own brain, that most people would call "vacuum", racist. :retard:

Komodo
04-05-2007, 08:20 PM
Anyway, Monfils is a 20-year old ranked #45 in the world. I think this means he is pretty good.

http://www.atptennis.com/3/en/players/playerprofiles/?playernumber=MC65

I think anyone who has played tennis realizes, young players like to hit hard and take chances. They know how to hit, but don't know how to play winning tennis.

I find Monfils more the rule. Nadal, Djokovic, Murray, etc. are more the exceptions (and Murray certainly loses his cool pretty often).

Give Monfils a chance to mature mentally (and physically....he is 6' 4" 177 hpounds. I think 190 is a better weight for him and he will add that muscle).

I think he will be very good once he get the "piss and vinegar" out of his system.


You are very very far off base & your analysis, as GlennMirnyi already wrote, shows that you don't really know what you are talking about when it comes to Monfils, so one has to wonder why you even bothered to write a comment in the first place.
Here's a dose of reality for you: Monfils problem is that he is playing way too defensively & has some severe problems with his technique. He can hit the occasional monster forehand, yes, but overall, his swing is way too long and effortful, forcing him to play behind the baseline.
His problem is NOT, as you very insightfully described, that he is juvenally a hit-and-miss player. On the contrary.

Monfils future? When he gets his game to work, he can beat a lot of players. Still, there are some huge deficits, and there definitely is a case of premature physical maturing that allowed him to dominate juniors' tennis rather than his pure tennis skills.
I still think he can get inside the top 20, but top 10 seems to be reaching too far if you ask me.
Still, no need to overly criticize a 20 year old who is top 50.

komodo

Burrow
04-05-2007, 08:36 PM
at least its possible to suck serena's tits, henin's got nothing.

I suppose.

r2473
04-05-2007, 09:52 PM
You are very very far off base & your analysis, as GlennMirnyi already wrote, shows that you don't really know what you are talking about when it comes to Monfils, so one has to wonder why you even bothered to write a comment in the first place.
Here's a dose of reality for you: Monfils problem is that he is playing way too defensively & has some severe problems with his technique. He can hit the occasional monster forehand, yes, but overall, his swing is way too long and effortful, forcing him to play behind the baseline.

I'm not sure I understand. I think you are saying that A) his technique is very poor which B) causes him to play out of position (behind the baseline) which C) causes him to play (primarily) defensively.

So, if he were to improve his technique, he could then play more agressively (closer in) and thus play winning tennis?? Is this correct??

His problem is NOT, as you very insightfully described, that he is juvenally a hit-and-miss player. On the contrary.

I assume you mean that, instead of being hit-and-miss, he is only "miss". This is what GlennMirnyi seemed to say and I think you and he are in agreement.

Do you think that he shows maturity on the court (beyond his years perhaps)? Are his deficiencies pretty much only tecnhnique based and he is in fact quite sufficient on the mental side of the game?

Monfils future? When he gets his game to work, he can beat a lot of players. Still, there are some huge deficits, and there definitely is a case of premature physical maturing that allowed him to dominate juniors' tennis rather than his pure tennis skills.

Are his physical advantages (in your opinion) based on his height or his speed, or...... When I think of "premature physical maturing" I think of a guy more like Nadal than Monfils. I think Monfils still has some physical maturing to do. Do you see him as very mature physically for his age? I never really saw that.

I still think he can get inside the top 20, but top 10 seems to be reaching too far if you ask me.
Still, no need to overly criticize a 20 year old who is top 50.

komodo

Here I agree.

I probably don't know what I am talking about (I am far from an expert). Could you therefore share a bit more with me so I can learn from you?

Thanks,

Robert

Komodo
04-05-2007, 11:15 PM
Hi,
I am not a huge expert, but I follow tennis closely since many years and play on (mediocre) club level myself.

You said that Monfils is "hit-and-miss", and may me better when he matures and plays a more conservative game, which was fundamentally wrong. That is why i reacted.

He can't just change his whole technique as you suggest. He can maybe tweak it a bit with the risk of playing even worse, but not change it completely. The ATP players are more or less finished products from a technical point of view at the age of 20, with big reserves in the mental departure, the tactical game and understanding how good they really are and what they can do when, but the technical improvement in general isn't too big. Maybe you can still improve everything a bit, but you can't reinvent it.

Again, his problem isn't that he is miss, but that he isn't playing attacking tennis.
And no one here has even started mentioning the way he moves on sticky courts, screaming for injuries rather sooner than later.

Finally, yes, he was very physically mature already at the age of 17. He was definitely stronger than most of his opponents in the juniors, which in part is the reason why he dominated there.
Why do you ask me if he NOW is physically stronger than his peers? He is 20, an age at which you normally can be very far regarding physique. Just look at Nadal, who has been a physical monster since a few years now.

komodo

dl05
04-06-2007, 11:52 AM
Monfils is supremely flexible, athletic,supple. Has a huge first delivery, bombastic forehand, but his court positioning is dreadful. So far back, even more so than nadal and roddick. Its like he needs a hot poker at the back of the court to make him move forward :lol:

Shot selection and court positioning all key for monfils, because the talent and physical prowess is there..............

JBdV
04-06-2007, 11:58 AM
:zzz:

Puschkin
04-06-2007, 12:05 PM
I think his technique has to improve considerably. On the other hand he plays with a lot of heart and he manages to bring crowds on his side in a minute. On a given day, sunshine in Roland Garros, 12.000 behind him, I would not want to be on the other side. He can be quite intimidating. In short: he might always be able to create a big surprise, but lacks the technique and consistency on a regular basis. Curious to see how his "back to the roots" will turn out.

r2473
04-06-2007, 05:11 PM
Hi,
I am not a huge expert, but I follow tennis closely since many years and play on (mediocre) club level myself.

You said that Monfils is "hit-and-miss", and may me better when he matures and plays a more conservative game, which was fundamentally wrong. That is why i reacted.

He can't just change his whole technique as you suggest. He can maybe tweak it a bit with the risk of playing even worse, but not change it completely. The ATP players are more or less finished products from a technical point of view at the age of 20, with big reserves in the mental departure, the tactical game and understanding how good they really are and what they can do when, but the technical improvement in general isn't too big. Maybe you can still improve everything a bit, but you can't reinvent it.

Again, his problem isn't that he is miss, but that he isn't playing attacking tennis.
And no one here has even started mentioning the way he moves on sticky courts, screaming for injuries rather sooner than later.

Finally, yes, he was very physically mature already at the age of 17. He was definitely stronger than most of his opponents in the juniors, which in part is the reason why he dominated there.
Why do you ask me if he NOW is physically stronger than his peers? He is 20, an age at which you normally can be very far regarding physique. Just look at Nadal, who has been a physical monster since a few years now.

komodo

Thanks.

I play "club level" tennis as well and am not really a big fan of any particular player (and certainly not Monfils). I have only seen him play a handful of times and was watching those "bombastic" forehands more than his technique.

Maybe I'll buy the US Open 1st round match he played agains Djokovic to get a better idea of what you are talking about.

GlennMirnyi
04-06-2007, 05:39 PM
You are very very far off base & your analysis, as GlennMirnyi already wrote, shows that you don't really know what you are talking about when it comes to Monfils, so one has to wonder why you even bothered to write a comment in the first place.
Here's a dose of reality for you: Monfils problem is that he is playing way too defensively & has some severe problems with his technique. He can hit the occasional monster forehand, yes, but overall, his swing is way too long and effortful, forcing him to play behind the baseline.
His problem is NOT, as you very insightfully described, that he is juvenally a hit-and-miss player. On the contrary.

Monfils future? When he gets his game to work, he can beat a lot of players. Still, there are some huge deficits, and there definitely is a case of premature physical maturing that allowed him to dominate juniors' tennis rather than his pure tennis skills.
I still think he can get inside the top 20, but top 10 seems to be reaching too far if you ask me.
Still, no need to overly criticize a 20 year old who is top 50.

komodo

Hi,
I am not a huge expert, but I follow tennis closely since many years and play on (mediocre) club level myself.

You said that Monfils is "hit-and-miss", and may me better when he matures and plays a more conservative game, which was fundamentally wrong. That is why i reacted.

He can't just change his whole technique as you suggest. He can maybe tweak it a bit with the risk of playing even worse, but not change it completely. The ATP players are more or less finished products from a technical point of view at the age of 20, with big reserves in the mental departure, the tactical game and understanding how good they really are and what they can do when, but the technical improvement in general isn't too big. Maybe you can still improve everything a bit, but you can't reinvent it.

Again, his problem isn't that he is miss, but that he isn't playing attacking tennis.
And no one here has even started mentioning the way he moves on sticky courts, screaming for injuries rather sooner than later.

Finally, yes, he was very physically mature already at the age of 17. He was definitely stronger than most of his opponents in the juniors, which in part is the reason why he dominated there.
Why do you ask me if he NOW is physically stronger than his peers? He is 20, an age at which you normally can be very far regarding physique. Just look at Nadal, who has been a physical monster since a few years now.

komodo

:hatoff: great posts. What I was trying to say with my "Monfils can't hit winners" is exactly this: he can't play offensively.

jazar
04-06-2007, 05:43 PM
all monfils can do is slide around and look like a clown. he can't play offensively, he can't play intelligently, cos he is an idiot. what can he do?

Black Adam
04-06-2007, 06:46 PM
If you love tree trunks.
Guys like you promote anorexia and size zero problems with such comments :rolleyes:

Johnny Groove
04-06-2007, 06:53 PM
Monfils needs to cut his hair all off. I think he can be faster and have less air resistance if he did so.

RickDaStick
04-07-2007, 01:30 AM
Monfils' future is on the paddle tennis tour. Now I just hope he realizes that before its too late.

r2473
05-31-2007, 10:38 PM
I say he makes it to at least the 3rd round of RG. Will probably end up playing Nalby:)

LleytonMonfils
05-31-2007, 11:32 PM
he only beat Roddick and Hewitt the week before. They aren't the 2 best players in the world and it was clay, but hell their GRAND SLAM CHAMPS. He beat them back to back, I'd say the kid has some game. For those idiots who say Gael can't do this, Gael can't do that... look at what HE CAN DO. The kid can play defense like no other and that's his game. Who are you people to say this is the way you need to swing the racket, this is the way you need to hit the ball, this is the strategy you need to take? Seriously are any of you on the ATP tour? I suggest the people who want to crack on Monfils need to take a step back, stop playing arm chair quarterback, and let the kid play his game. He has won matches no? Maybe he does have a few things he needs to work on, but in no way should any of you tear this guy to shreds because he is one hell of a tennis player. He's a pro for christ sake!

rocketassist
05-31-2007, 11:34 PM
I certainly don't agree with whoever said he has greater potential than the other young guns.

However since he agreed a deal with Benhabiles his results have been good.

r2473
06-04-2008, 06:41 PM
I think this guy is finished. After all, he is already 21 and will turn (gasp) 22 this year.

Ya, he should just retire. The guy obviously just sucks. :rolleyes:

IAMlegend
06-04-2008, 07:26 PM
I think this guy is finished. After all, he is already 21 and will turn (gasp) 22 this year.

Ya, he should just retire. The guy obviously just sucks. :rolleyes:

:D was digging much? I like the way he's playing now. Make the other guy do all the work by not putting much pace on the ball. He'll frustrate a lot of players playing this style.

dylan24
06-04-2008, 07:35 PM
monfils' immediate future: get ready to get fucked up by fedex

BlakeJamitis
06-04-2008, 08:14 PM
For the life of me, I can't figure out why so many people hate Gael. Not just his game but his hair, his dance, his body, his face, his relationship, etc. I'm trying to figure out whose mother the guy f'kd.

And what's funny is that off court, Monfils is a really cool guy and very nice. If he only knew. LOL

dmit424
06-04-2008, 08:25 PM
Well it's obvious that Monfils is more talented than Murray and Gasquet. His defense is ages ahead, his athleticism is 2nd to none on tour (besides maybe Nadal), and while he doesn't have an aggressive ground game yet, his huge serve and the whipping forehand he sometimes unleashes is all the demonstration I need that he can be an effective attacking player.

But I love Monfils. He just became an absolute top favorite today. He's amazingly smooth out there and completely frustrated Ferrer. And hey, I have to enjoy the fact that everyone hates this guy so much and were saying how they couldn't wait for Ferrer to take him down. Well, ha! And DOUBLE :):) for all the dumb humans betting on sport and specifically the ones that were pinched by Monfils today! HA

Jaap
06-04-2008, 08:31 PM
Still a mug and one fluke tournament won't change this.

There is a reason why he is ranked No.59 in the world. He won't be playing infront of home crowd every week.

dmit424
06-04-2008, 08:40 PM
Still a mug and one fluke tournament won't change this.

There is a reason why he is ranked No.59 in the world. He won't be playing infront of home crowd every week.

59th because he can't play on any other surface, imo.

Jaap
06-04-2008, 08:45 PM
59th because he can't play on any other surface, imo.

Thats because he hasn't got the brain to play any other game apart from grinding and moonballing. It may work on clay, but on other surfaces you get eat alive with that sort of game.

jcempire
06-05-2008, 02:23 AM
59th because he can't play on any other surface, imo.

You better change your words from today. you will see how good he is later on USO and WIM

jcempire
06-05-2008, 02:23 AM
Wait for a long time, Finally Monfils show something

Albop
06-05-2008, 02:25 AM
You better change your words from today. you will see how good he is later on USO and WIM

he will be destroyed at those slams :lol:

GlennMirnyi
06-05-2008, 02:28 AM
he will be ***** at those slams :lol:

Don't use that word mate, but yeah I agree. Monfils is a mug, is having a fluke result and will never repeat it again.

Raq-Attack
06-05-2008, 03:03 AM
Hahaha the same old Monfils haters crying their eyes out right now because he's proving them wrong!!.. :D

Get em Gael.

Rafa = Fed Killa
08-30-2008, 11:30 PM
He plays with true heart and spirit.

2009 he will be top ten.

Albop
08-30-2008, 11:32 PM
The guy is a disgrace for the sport.

Rafa = Fed Killa
08-30-2008, 11:34 PM
The guy is a disgrace for the sport.

Looking at your sig and seeing your favs shows you like boring pansy tennis.

Monfils is a real man, future spartan and future top ten player.

VAMOS!

richie21
08-30-2008, 11:38 PM
Who would have thought that Monfils would become a better player than Gasquet? not me anyway.
I never rated him but he is proving me wrong.

Rafa = Fed Killa
08-30-2008, 11:39 PM
Who would have thought that Monfils would become a better player than Gasquet? not me anyway.
I never rated him but he is proving me wrong.

Heart is much more important that pointless fancy shot making.

Somemone should explain that to Gasquet.

IAMlegend
08-30-2008, 11:39 PM
The only thing that could prevent him is injuries. He seemed to have cut down on his partying, is motivated, and finding the confidence of his junior years. If he and Tsonga can remain injury free and Gasquet can find a heart somewhere, France would stand in good stead ATP's top dog.

Jaap
08-30-2008, 11:42 PM
Monfils = Roddick light.

richie21
08-30-2008, 11:45 PM
Monfils = Roddick light.

Much better defender than Roddick though.

Kingofchaos86
08-30-2008, 11:45 PM
who cares about Monfils? he hasnt proved anything yet. take a look at Del Potro.

richie21
08-30-2008, 11:47 PM
who cares about Monfils? he hasnt proved anything yet. take a look at Del Potro.

What about a GS 1/2 final?:o

A_S
08-30-2008, 11:47 PM
Heart is much more important that pointless fancy shot making.

Somemone should explain that to Gasquet.

You say he supports boring players, fair enough some of those are big hitters with little variety but then you go and contradict yourself saying that someone who plays an "interesting game" as you seem to interperate it (based on your previous statement) is playing "boring pansy tennis":confused:

Stgobaiano
08-30-2008, 11:48 PM
Monfils is a true Spartan, but it is a shame that he beat Nalbi.

Albop
08-30-2008, 11:48 PM
Looking at your sig and seeing your favs shows you like boring pansy tennis.

Monfils is a real man, future spartan and future top ten player.

VAMOS!

Are you in love with pushers and moonballers?

freeandlonely
08-30-2008, 11:50 PM
Heart is much more important that pointless fancy shot making.

Somemone should explain that to Gasquet.

Nadal already explains that 4 years to world...I hope this scenario changes one day...

Kingofchaos86
08-30-2008, 11:54 PM
well yeah, but did you see his draw? the only worthy player he beat there was Ferrer. dont get me wrong, i have nothing against Monfils, is just that i think that there other young players we should be looking out for.

platinum
08-30-2008, 11:56 PM
Heart is much more important that pointless fancy shot making.

Somemone should explain that to Gasquet.

Yup. Talent alone is not enough....


Gasquet :(

bambelbitz
08-31-2008, 12:27 AM
He is a decent player, but you always have to look at the draw he is getting!!! Until now Monfils hasn't beaten a good player which was in a very good form yet in this tournament (Nalbandian obviously wasn't today).

richie21
08-31-2008, 12:55 AM
He is a decent player, but you always have to look at the draw he is getting!!! Until now Monfils hasn't beaten a good player which was in a very good form yet in this tournament (Nalbandian obviously wasn't today).


To beat Nalbandian in straight sets in a GS is still a great achievement for Monfils,Nalbandian being in good form or not(judging by the previous rounds,i guess he was more in good form in this US Open than in other tournaments though).

Tom Paulman
08-31-2008, 01:11 AM
I hope you're wrong

The Freak
08-31-2008, 01:17 AM
Yeah, he hardly has any points to defend, and the top ten really isn't that far off. As long as he's healthy thats a real possibility.

scoobs
08-31-2008, 01:22 AM
As usual the question will be can he finally stay healthy long enough to do so and not injure himself with his own reckless play, and can he get smarter in using his game?

He really seems to prefer the slams to 3 setter events, which is unusual.

vincayou
08-31-2008, 02:04 AM
If he can keep the same coach more than 2 months, maybe. He's a great athlete, but with plenty of holes in his game. I don't think he has worked as hard as he could have done these last 3 years.

~*BGT*~
08-31-2008, 02:21 AM
Isn't he a part of Team Lagardere?

richie21
08-31-2008, 02:53 AM
If he can keep the same coach more than 2 months, maybe. He's a great athlete, but with plenty of holes in his game. I don't think he has worked as hard as he could have done these last 3 years.

Well,at least ,he is a better player now than he was at 18,if you see what i mean....:o

Truc
08-31-2008, 03:00 AM
Isn't he a part of Team Lagardere?No, he was, but he left.
Rasheed is his private coach.

elessar
08-31-2008, 03:00 AM
Oh Richie21 don't worry :hug: we always know what you mean.

ChinoRios4Ever
08-31-2008, 04:06 AM
If he stays healthy why not?

r2473
08-31-2008, 04:18 AM
I think this guy is finished. After all, he is already 21 and will turn (gasp) 22 this year.

Ya, he should just retire. The guy obviously just sucks. :rolleyes:

Hasn't this guy retired yet?

selyoink
08-31-2008, 04:29 AM
If he stays healthy he would have to really suck not to make top 10. He can't have many points to defend until the French.

fast_clay
08-31-2008, 04:46 AM
Monfils seems to be on a one way ticket to oblivion right now. He's the only one of the young guns going to wrong direction. Even though he has tons of muscle and loads of speed he still doesn't play the way you'd expect someone with those assets to play. I just don't like his style of play. It's all over the place. No strategy. Even his ground strokes look suspect...sort of loopy...not proper topspin and with not nearly as enough umph as you might expect from him. He ought to try and flatten out his shots like a Haas or a Blake. At least he is young still so there is loads of room for improvement.

yeah... i kinda feel is game is still stuck in the juniors... which is enough to still buy himself a few houses outside of marseille during is career... dunno if any dramatic change is on the horizon tho...

ChinoRios4Ever
08-31-2008, 05:00 AM
he will be destroyed at those slams :lol:

Dear compatriot. One advice, don't talk those things. :wavey: :p ;)

ServeAlready81
08-31-2008, 05:11 AM
The guy is a disgrace for the sport.

How is that? I don't think anyone is a "disgrace" to the sport unless that person is doping, has a nasty attitude towrads opponents, tries to cheat etc; Monfils meets none of that criteria.

martinatreue
08-31-2008, 05:24 AM
Are you in love with pushers and moonballers?

You rock, dude. This monfils type of game is total spineless junk. "spartan" tennis ooooh wow another way of saying counterpunching pusher who is too scared to win the point by taking initiative!! Gulbis, Murray, Tsonga, even Fish(on a night like tonight) are just a few players who are trying to WIN the point as opposed to waiting for you to miss like Mugfils LOL.

LinkMage
08-31-2008, 05:25 AM
Of course he can make the top 10. Any mug can make the top 10 nowadays. Look at Wawrinka for example, he's in the top 10 with only like 1600 points.

Bilbo
08-31-2008, 11:10 AM
If he stays healthy he belongs in the top 10. One helluva player :yeah:

Jaap
08-31-2008, 11:36 AM
Terrible for tennis if he makes the top 10.

Bilbo
08-31-2008, 11:42 AM
Terrible for tennis if he makes the top 10.

terrible is what nalbandian has played and he's ranked #7

Chloe le Bopper
08-31-2008, 11:53 AM
You rock, dude. This monfils type of game is total spineless junk. "spartan" tennis ooooh wow another way of saying counterpunching pusher who is too scared to win the point by taking initiative!! Gulbis, Murray, Tsonga, even Fish(on a night like tonight) are just a few players who are trying to WIN the point as opposed to waiting for you to miss like Mugfils LOL.
Murray? How did his name get in there, I wonder.

Jaap
08-31-2008, 11:55 AM
terrible is what nalbandian has played and he's ranked #7

At least he plays an attractive brand of tennis, unlike Mongfils brand of grinding tennis.

Bilbo
08-31-2008, 11:58 AM
At least he plays an attractive brand of tennis, unlike Mongfils brand of grinding tennis.

that's your opinion. i for myself like defensive tennis. needless to say as a nadal fan.

IAMlegend
08-31-2008, 12:27 PM
At least he plays an attractive brand of tennis, unlike Mongfils brand of grinding tennis.

Yep. There's nothing more attractive than seeing a player unable to move his feet( because of tiredness in the third set:confused:) and dumping easy after easy shots into the net.

IAMlegend
08-31-2008, 12:50 PM
Still a mug and one fluke tournament won't change this.

There is a reason why he is ranked No.59 in the world. He won't be playing infront of home crowd every week.

Your words have proven to be prophetic. I mean, look how bad he's doing at this US Open. People should heed what you say. You really know what you're talking about.

Jaap
08-31-2008, 12:54 PM
Your words have proven to be prophetic. I mean, look how bad he's doing at this US Open. People should heed what you say. You really know what you're talking about.

He is still a prick and idiot.

How many atp titles has he won? One mickey mouse tournament in Poland.

He has achieved nothing.

luxsword
08-31-2008, 01:15 PM
Monpetitfils ? :shrug:

Jaap
09-01-2008, 06:33 PM
ttt

GlennMirnyi
09-01-2008, 06:35 PM
Jaap is the best poster in this thread.

Sunset of Age
09-01-2008, 06:39 PM
You rock, dude. This monfils type of game is total spineless junk. "spartan" tennis ooooh wow another way of saying counterpunching pusher who is too scared to win the point by taking initiative!! Gulbis, Murray, Tsonga, even Fish (on a night like tonight) are just a few players who are trying to WIN the point as opposed to waiting for you to miss like Mugfils LOL.

:lol: :yeah:

Albop
09-02-2008, 01:59 AM
If he stays healthy he belongs in the top 10. One helluva player :yeah:

:confused:

GlennMirnyi
09-02-2008, 02:04 AM
:confused:

:haha:

Captain hindsight attacks again.