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US TV Sucks

victor_gospo
03-23-2007, 01:42 PM
I was just reviewing the list of global broadcasters for the Sony Ericsson Open and what I saw is totally pathetic

The USA has by far the richest tennis legacy in the world and we have very poor coverage of this event. We even have a 24 hour a day channel dedicated to tennis and even so we can't get full coverage of this tournament.

Countries with no tradition in tennis, no players ranked within the top 100 or even 500 offer complete coverage. I have nothing against countries like Malta, Fiji, or Macedonia just to mention some. However why can they get full coverage and we can't?

I have The Tennis Channel and during Wednesday and Thursday while play was going on at Crandon Park they were showing reruns of reruns. Stuff like the same "No Strings" show about Rafael Nadal that they've repeated a zillion times over the last 3 years talking about the "17 year old sensation" when he's gonna be 21 in June. Or they show matches from the ABN Ambro open from a few weeks ago.

If TTC wants better ratings they should offer a better product. While one of the most important tournaments is being played we get to see Davis Cup matches from 1952

Here's the list look at all the broadcasters look at how many offer "All Matches"


Broadcasters Region Access
AFN (American Forces Network) Worldwide All matches
Al-Jazeera Sports Channel Middle East (Arabic language) All matches
BBTV Thailand All matches
BeTV Belgium All matches
CBS USA Final, April 1 - 12 noon
CCTV China TBC
CNN Turk Turkey Semis & Final
Diema Bulgaria All matches
ESPN USA Mar. 27-30
ESPN Star Sports Asia All matches
ESPN International Latin America / Middle East / Israel / Northern Africa / NZ All matches
Fox Sports Australia All matches
Galaxie Sport Czech Republic All matches
Gaora Sports Chanel Japan Semis & Final
Globosat Brazil All matches
IKO (Sport Klub) Hungary / Romania / Serbia & Montenegro All matches
Melita Cable Malta All matches
2M Morocco Semis & Final
NTV+ Russia All matches
Nu Com Media China All matches
Fiji TV Fiji All matches
Polsat Poland All matches
RDS Canada All matches
Sky Italia Italy All matches
Sky Sports UK All matches
Sport+ France All matches
Megasport (Sports Ch.) Ukraine All matches
Sport1 Holland All matches
Sport TV Portugal All matches
Supersport Greece & Cyprus All matches
Supersport International Africa All matches
The Tennis Channel USA Mar. 24-26
TSN Canada All matches
TVE Spain All matches
TV2 Denmark Semis & Final
TV4 (Sport 4) Macedonia All matches
Viasat Scandinavia All matches

victor_gospo
03-23-2007, 01:46 PM
Here's the link from the Sony Ericsson site

http://www.atptennis.com/1/en/news/miami_tv.asp

Stensland
03-23-2007, 01:46 PM
calm down, my friend. do you see germany somewhere on the list? see, it DOES get worse... ;)

krystlel
03-23-2007, 01:48 PM
Actually, even though it says 'All Matches', there isn't any coverage around the world until Saturday, not even on the paid livestream. So it doesn't have anything to do with the broadcasters.

victor_gospo
03-23-2007, 01:50 PM
OK, so Germany has it even worse but that is of no consolation

We have the "Only 24 hour tennis channel in the world" and yet in Fiji they can see "All Matches" we have to miss the first 3 days of the tournament

danton
03-23-2007, 02:26 PM
Sky sports only starts on Sunday. I don't think the tournament has bothered with cameras until sat - probably for budget reasons.

It's rubbish - how they going to keep fans and win new ones with that kind of attitude.

Deboogle!.
03-23-2007, 03:22 PM
Calm down :lol: NO coverage starts ANYWHERE until Saturday. Blame the tournament/ATP for not getting cameras in earlier. at IW, coverage started Friday, the first day seeds played - so basically one day earlier. It's too bad half the draw will have played 1-2 matches and only people there wlil get to see it, but it's the same for everyone worldwide this time :lol:

I don't think anyone in the US who has TTC should be complaining about their coverage, especially since ESPN has cut their miami coverage to like, 4 days or something :o

bluefork
03-23-2007, 04:01 PM
Some people seem to think that because it's called the Tennis Channel, it should be covering live tennis 24/7. That would be great, but it costs money to do this, and TTC doesn't have the budget. Be grateful for what you're getting and change the channel whenever Murphy Jensen's mug appears on your screen. :)

Deboogle!.
03-23-2007, 04:10 PM
Some people seem to think that because it's called the Tennis Channel, it should be covering live tennis 24/7. That would be great, but it costs money to do this, and TTC doesn't have the budget. Be grateful for what you're getting and change the channel whenever Murphy Jensen's mug appears on your screen. :):worship:

nobama
03-23-2007, 04:27 PM
Some people seem to think that because it's called the Tennis Channel, it should be covering live tennis 24/7. That would be great, but it costs money to do this, and TTC doesn't have the budget. Be grateful for what you're getting and change the channel whenever Murphy Jensen's mug appears on your screen. :)
Ok but how does TTC then compete with say the Golf Channel and get slotted into lower tier, less expensive cable/satellite packages when they have such crap coverage? How do you sell a channel that basically shows rerun after rerun?

I don't know why the tournament would decide not to show coverage until Saturday. If they can afford night tennis and all this other glamour crap surely they can afford to brodcast from the beginning of the tournament (or at least the first day the seeds play). :rolleyes:

Margy
03-23-2007, 04:38 PM
Some people seem to think that because it's called the Tennis Channel, it should be covering live tennis 24/7. That would be great, but it costs money to do this, and TTC doesn't have the budget. Be grateful for what you're getting and change the channel whenever Murphy Jensen's mug appears on your screen. :)

I'd love to be able to change the channel, but my cable provider DOESN'T EVEN OFFER the tennis channel. So I basically don't get to see much of anything. So my gripe lies with the ATP and tournaments for selling the rights to a network that has such a restricted availability. I actually saw a lot more tennis before TTC existed because the major networks and ESPN covered more events. As it is now, I don't get to see any Davis Cup or European MS events and only the last couple of days of the masters series events in the US when TTC turns it over to ESPN. And they wonder why tennis can't generate a bigger fan base.....arghhhhh! At least the networks are still showing most of the slams. I can only pray that TTC doesn't get their hands on those rights.

But even though I don't have it, I do believe that if TTC is going to grab the rights to events, they should be showing live coverage of the bigger tournaments. Seriously, it makes no sense to be showing years old fluff pieces on Nadal and Navrotilova when the "fifth slam" is going on in the home country of TTC. I don't think anyone expects them to cover 52 weeks a year with live feed but certainly the masters series events should be worthy of more coverage. If they can't afford to pay commentators, just place a camera on the court and show live play. Fans don't need the running patter from the booth to appreciate a good match. And if they can't afford to provide that, then let ESPN cover the whole thing for the US like they seem to do for other countries (ESPN in Asia, the Middle East, Latin America, and Africa). I'd rather see that anyway since I would actually get to see some tennis if it were on ESPN!

Margy
03-23-2007, 04:42 PM
I don't know why the tournament would decide not to show coverage until Saturday. If they can afford night tennis and all this other glamour crap surely they can afford to brodcast from the beginning of the tournament (or at least the first day the seeds play). :rolleyes:

Because the glamour crap appears to be all that the current tennis administration cares about. Based on all the nonsensical changes they are trying to make, they certainly don't care about the players or the fans. It's all about the money and to them Glamour = $.

Deboogle!.
03-23-2007, 04:47 PM
But even though I don't have it, I do believe that if TTC is going to grab the rights to events, they should be showing live coverage of the bigger tournaments. Seriously, it makes no sense to be showing years old fluff pieces on Nadal and Navrotilova when the "fifth slam" is going on in the home country of TTC. I don't think anyone expects them to cover 52 weeks a year with live feed but certainly the masters series events should be worthy of more coverage. If they can't afford to pay commentators, just place a camera on the court and show live play. Fans don't need the running patter from the booth to appreciate a good match. And if they can't afford to provide that, then let ESPN cover the whole thing for the US like they seem to do for other countries (ESPN in Asia, the Middle East, Latin America, and Africa). I'd rather see that anyway since I would actually get to see some tennis if it were on ESPN!They're covering the Masters events. They had more days of IW this year, until ESPN started, they're having more days of Miami this year until ESPN starts, they show all of the clay masters and indoor masters from start to finish. What more can you ask!? They're taking the international feed and during IW were showing 12+ hours a day of tennis. I mean, it's incredible coverage. It was such a letdown when ESPN's coverage started for IW. I think TTC is doing a great job and they're adding more and more each year and now with joint coverage of TWO slams, they're really heading in a great direction.

Margy
03-23-2007, 04:59 PM
They're covering the Masters events. They had more days of IW this year, until ESPN started, they're having more days of Miami this year until ESPN starts, they show all of the clay masters and indoor masters from start to finish. What more can you ask!? They're taking the international feed and during IW were showing 12+ hours a day of tennis. I mean, it's incredible coverage. It was such a letdown when ESPN's coverage started for IW. I think TTC is doing a great job and they're adding more and more each year and now with joint coverage of TWO slams, they're really heading in a great direction.

Since, as I said, I don't get TTC I'm only going by what people here have complained about. If they are exagerrating the lack of coverage, then I bow to your personal experience.
As I also stated, my personal beef is that TTC is not available to me and many others yet they have exclusive US rights to so many days of play. Therefore, being unable to get it my tennis coverage has decreased significantly.

Deboogle!.
03-23-2007, 05:05 PM
Well yes I do think people who complain about TTC's coverage are exaggerating it, because of the reasons bluefork stated - TTC has no money and they're doing the absolute best they can. hopefully having two of the slams will bring in some better advertising revenues, which they badly badly need.

Oh I understand the pain of not having TTC. You just have to keep calling your cable company and making official requests and stuff. Rumor has it, DirecTV is going to be on board very soon, so then both Dish and DirecTV will be offering it. There is a nationwide deal with Comcast so it's just a matter of getting the local markets to add it. From where it was a couple years ago with no Comcast deal, no satellite deal, etc., they have come a VERY long way in the past 2 years or so.

But I've also seen people blaming TTC for ESPN's reduced coverage. I think it's the other way around. People need to blame ESPN for deserting tennis - dropping Davis Cup, showing less and less of the north american masters events, smaller tourneys, etc... at least TTC is there to try to pick up some of the slack.

Margy
03-23-2007, 05:16 PM
Well yes I do think people who complain about TTC's coverage are exaggerating it, because of the reasons bluefork stated - TTC has no money and they're doing the absolute best they can. hopefully having two of the slams will bring in some better advertising revenues, which they badly badly need.

Deb, you're scaring me. Are you saying TTC has broadcast rights for 2 of the slams now? That had been my one fallback, that the networks covered the slams. Please don't tell me I'm going to lose 2 of them...

Deboogle!.
03-23-2007, 05:23 PM
Deb, you're scaring me. Are you saying TTC has broadcast rights for 2 of the slams now? That had been my one fallback, that the networks covered the slams. Please don't tell me I'm going to lose 2 of them...Sorry :awww: There is at least one thread somewhere here in GM that talks about it, but yes TTC has the rights to RG and AO, along with ESPN. I believe TTC has the priority live rights (I'm sure they do for RG, but I think for AO too) and then ESPN will show some delayed, etc.

mashamaniac
03-23-2007, 05:30 PM
thanks sport+ and euosport...here we have the best coverage of tennis all year long!!

Margy
03-23-2007, 05:32 PM
Sorry :awww: There is at least one thread somewhere here in GM that talks about it, but yes TTC has the rights to RG and AO, along with ESPN. I believe TTC has the priority live rights (I'm sure they do for RG, but I think for AO too) and then ESPN will show some delayed, etc.

How did I miss that info?? Well, if they had the rights for this past AO, I'm fine with it. I had plenty of ESPN and ESPN2 coverage, albeit odd hours, for that one. But if it hasn't started yet, I guess I have to start worrying. Yikes!

Deboogle!.
03-23-2007, 05:33 PM
No, TTC's first slam is RG. AO will start next year (2008). I don't know how you missed it! :lol: If you do a search the thread with all the details and discussion is here somewhere

r2473
03-23-2007, 06:23 PM
If ESPN 2 showed more tennis that would mean fewer Poker and World's Strongest Man reruns.

Would you be willing to make that sort of sacrifice?

"I'm all in"!......Brilliant stuff!!

Margy
03-23-2007, 06:27 PM
If ESPN 2 showed more tennis that would mean less Poker and World's Strongest Man reruns.

Would you be willing to make that sort of sacrifice?

And all the bass fishing too... gee I just don't know how much of that I'd be able to give up :rolleyes:

sondraj06
03-23-2007, 06:36 PM
If ESPN 2 showed more tennis that would mean fewer Poker and World's Strongest Man reruns.

Would you be willing to make that sort of sacrifice?

"I'm all in"!......Brilliant stuff!!

:worship:

sondraj06
03-23-2007, 06:44 PM
I have a question, people say that when tennis comes to america it is a very lucrative business. So people coming to see tennis events aren't really lacking here in america and people seem to play it enough on a amateur level. And I was just thinking, it's not even so much that tennis stars aren't big here either. I mean remember Anna Kournikova(sp) she was huge. Then we got Andy Roddick and now Maria all huge as celebrities here.

So I don't think that it's so much that tennis isn't popular here. People say that people don't tune in to watch it on t.v but how can you watch something that doesn't come on. And when it does lets be honest the coverage is crappy, they don't show the matches you want to see. I mean at IW espn did a lot better, actually covering the big matches.

but normally I'm turned off by their coverage and I love tennis so, I think they need to actually show it here regularly and people will watch. One or two events every 2 or 3 months and unless you check all the espn channels regularly when you know an event that they might cover is going on, you'll miss it.

Deboogle!.
03-23-2007, 07:22 PM
Tennis is popular in terms of the attendance of the events, but it's not popular on tv. the ratings just aren't there except for the few top players.

Margy
03-23-2007, 08:27 PM
Tennis is popular in terms of the attendance of the events, but it's not popular on tv. the ratings just aren't there except for the few top players.

As Sondra said, it's hard to generate interest in something that is never shown and hardly publicized at all. The 1 single item that has been in my local paper on the master event in Miami was a photo of Federer and Tiger Woods with a story about the 2 superstars of their sports and how great it is that they have become BFFs. No other tennis players were even mentioned and there have been no match results or pre-event hype, not even on any american players. And we don't have access to TTC. So, if people aren't already into tennis and don't follow the sport online, how can they possibly get excited about it. They don't even know it's there.

nobama
03-24-2007, 01:30 AM
I see the TVUPlayer now has the Tennis Channel. It's channel 21491. :)

The_Nadal_effect
03-24-2007, 04:44 PM
The USA has by far the richest tennis legacy in the world and we have very poor coverage of this event. We even have a 24 hour a day channel dedicated to tennis and even so we can't get full coverage of this tournament.

Countries with no tradition in tennis, no players ranked within the top 100 or even 500 offer complete coverage. I have nothing against countries like Malta, Fiji, or Macedonia just to mention some. However why can they get full coverage and we can't?

Lucky you! You get to SEE Miami live. Wow! I am from India and have to make do with whatever comes in the newspapers next morning. Neither ESPN, nor Ten sports is covering it for us. Besides the Grand Slams (that are thankfully aired live) and some of Davis cup, we have to make do with whatever shows Sania Mirza. Was lucky enough to have highlights of Dubai Open this year.