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Roger is two First Round Exits from losing Number 1

johnemms2003
03-22-2007, 02:53 AM
I have been wondering this, but Roger is not that safe when it comes to rankings these days. He is basically two-three first round exits away from losing his No. 1 ranking, given that Nadal wins those tournaments. So, if Roger loses at RG and WM in the first round, Nadal can catch him. Am I right?

Johnny Groove
03-22-2007, 02:55 AM
No

uglyamerican
03-22-2007, 02:56 AM
I have been wondering this, but Roger is not that safe when it comes to rankings these days. He is basically two-three first round exits away from losing his No. 1 ranking, given that Nadal wins those tournaments. So, if Roger loses at RG and WM in the first round, Nadal can catch him. Am I right?

Assuming WM means wimbledon, then no.

if you took off 995 points from wimbledon and 695 points from RG....I'm too lazy to do the math. He'd have to lose a lot more than twice.

Nathaliia
03-22-2007, 02:56 AM
Yes of course he can pull a 1st round loss to Dlouhy/whoever 3 times iin majors :yawn:

scarecrows
03-22-2007, 02:57 AM
I have been wondering this, but Roger is not that safe when it comes to rankings these days. He is basically two-three first round exits away from losing his No. 1 ranking, given that Nadal wins those tournaments. So, if Roger loses at RG and WM in the first round, Nadal can catch him. Am I right?

yes, and after that Bush will find the weapons of mass destruction in Iraq

scoobs
03-22-2007, 02:57 AM
Yes, but then, that's always been the case. If he lost all his points at RG, Wimbledon and a couple of other tournaments, especially ones Nadal is not defending a lot at, if Nadal won them, he'd catch and overtake Roger. Trouble is, Nadal is defending a lot at RG and Wimbledon so it doesn't really apply until later in the year anyway.

And that doesn't mean it's very likely to happen now anyway, does it.

Sunset of Age
03-22-2007, 02:58 AM
I have been wondering this, but Roger is not that safe when it comes to rankings these days. He is basically two-three first round exits away from losing his No. 1 ranking, given that Nadal wins those tournaments. So, if Roger loses at RG and WM in the first round, Nadal can catch him. Am I right?

You want to apply to the ArseClownContest, I gather? :rolleyes:

And this is coming from a Rafa-fan, no less. Just to set things right.

Kitty de Sade
03-22-2007, 02:59 AM
I have been wondering this, but Roger is not that safe when it comes to rankings these days. He is basically two-three first round exits away from losing his No. 1 ranking, given that Nadal wins those tournaments. So, if Roger loses at RG and WM in the first round, Nadal can catch him. Am I right?

You are quite the cheeky little thing with your torrent of threads and these odd hypotheticals.

Fed has a better chance of waking up tomorrow morning having spontaneously changed sexes, rather than losing three 1st round matches in a row. ;)

johnemms2003
03-22-2007, 03:02 AM
I was just wondering. I mean Roger had 8400 at the end of last year. Now he has 7750 or something like that whereas Rafa has closed in to 4800 or something like that. I guess I was misreading the numbers but Nadal is definitely not that far away if Roger gets injured or something for a couple of months

scoobs
03-22-2007, 03:02 AM
The reality is, Nadal is much more likely to chip away at Roger's lead steadily over time than he is to dramatically surge past him as Rogi starts losing left, right and centre. It will be very hard for Nadal to get to #1 before next season, assuming Roger is fit enough to play a full season - and that's assuming Roger goes through some sort of slump in form. He's still much more consistent than Rafa right now - Indian Wells is one event, not necessarily a signpost to the future. We'll have to see.

Fedever
03-22-2007, 03:03 AM
Dream on!!!!!!!!!

ASP0315
03-22-2007, 03:03 AM
I have been wondering this, but Roger is not that safe when it comes to rankings these days. He is basically two-three first round exits away from losing his No. 1 ranking, given that Nadal wins those tournaments. So, if Roger loses at RG and WM in the first round, Nadal can catch him. Am I right?

Roger will lose his world number one after next year's French open. :devil:(If Nadal bags up atleast 4 TMS titles this year and wins back to FO. also with finish USO with QF or better.) Nadal will be new world no 1 one day for sure.
Ivanisevic stayed as world no two for many years without winning a major.(He won Wimby as a WC as he was ranked way low.) I don't see why Nadal can't be no 1.

johnemms2003
03-22-2007, 03:06 AM
I think Nadal is gradually missing his chance to become #1. I mean Murray, Berdych, and Djokovic are getting better fast and it won't be easy for Nadal to beat these guys next year.

atheneglaukopis
03-22-2007, 03:06 AM
I have been wondering this, but Roger is not that safe when it comes to rankings these days. He is basically two-three first round exits away from losing his No. 1 ranking, given that Nadal wins those tournaments. So, if Roger loses at RG and WM in the first round, Nadal can catch him. Am I right?If Nadal wins Miami, Monte Carlo, Rome, Hamburg, RG, and Wimbledon, he gains 1300 points. If Federer loses first round at RG and Wimbledon but defends his other points (except for losing to Nadal in the final at Miami), he loses 1850 points. That, I believe, would just do it.

Good luck finding those WMDs! :wavey:

Sunset of Age
03-22-2007, 03:07 AM
It's quite obvious - should Roger loose everything, OF COURSE Rafa will be #1. Roger himself said so many times before - even if some over here think he was just being 'politically correct' when he made those comments - the point rankings made it obviously clear.

Fact is, Roger knows this himself pretty well. I'm sure he'll find the appropriate measures against this happening in reality.

Kolya
03-22-2007, 03:09 AM
Federer won't let it happen...

johnemms2003
03-22-2007, 03:11 AM
I rather Federer lose No. 1 to Nadal than see him lose a match to Roddick. I loved how Nadal wiped the floor with Pat McEnroe's "future" world No.1.

uglyamerican
03-22-2007, 03:12 AM
The reality is, Nadal is much more likely to chip away at Roger's lead steadily over time than he is to dramatically surge past him as Rogi starts losing left, right and centre. I think Roger might go down in either manner. Not any time soon.

neme6
03-22-2007, 03:36 AM
and Nadal is 3 first round losses to lose his no2 spot! I'm being sarcastic, but you can keep dreaming!

Bremen
03-22-2007, 03:57 AM
and Nadal is 3 first round losses to lose his no2 spot! I'm being sarcastic, but you can keep dreaming!

Exactly...but neither is likely to happen this year.

sid
03-22-2007, 04:13 AM
I dont see Nadal getting the no1 spot ever.If anyone takes the no1 spot it will be Murray or Djokovic.Roger is the best player atm,but these 2 kids are making ground & creeping up the rankings.
sid;)

Dirk
03-22-2007, 06:14 AM
yes, and after that Bush will find the weapons of mass destruction in Iraq

If he went to Syria he would find them.

PM me if you want more info.

supertommyhaas
03-22-2007, 06:29 AM
:haha:

jenanun
03-22-2007, 08:01 AM
and Nadal is 3 first round losses to lose his no2 spot! I'm being sarcastic, but you can keep dreaming!

so true....

almost 3000 points gap between roger and rafa, thats the points roddick the no.3 has got

roger is not going to lose no.1 this year... no way.....

almouchie
03-22-2007, 08:08 AM
federer is set to play either querrey one of the better talented upcoming americans & russian igor andreev.
both have the potential to lose badly or cause an upset
andreev's career has hit a standstill

aulus
03-22-2007, 08:36 AM
and if federer had lost 10 more times in 1st round of majors, he'd be a nobody.
:confused:

Action Jackson
03-22-2007, 08:37 AM
The sad thing is either the Original Thread starter is serious or just someone who is a great prankster.

Ad Wim
03-22-2007, 09:46 AM
I have been wondering this, but Roger is not that safe when it comes to rankings these days. He is basically two-three first round exits away from losing his No. 1 ranking, given that Nadal wins those tournaments. So, if Roger loses at RG and WM in the first round, Nadal can catch him. Am I right?
No, ur absolutely wrong. Even if Roger loses early in RG, Nadal hasn't got any opportunity to catch up on him because till Wimbledon he has a lot more to defend than Roger. So I agree with earlier posts, first make sure Rafa stays in 2nd position.
And Roger will never lose a first round of Wimbledon.

my0118
03-22-2007, 09:58 AM
No, ur absolutely wrong. Even if Roger loses early in RG, Nadal hasn't got any opportunity to catch up on him because till Wimbledon he has a lot more to defend than Roger. So I agree with earlier posts, first make sure Rafa stays in 2nd position.
And Roger will never lose a first round of Wimbledon.

you're not serious responding him, are you?;)

maqk
03-22-2007, 10:08 AM
thats never gonna happen forget it, why u all think like this SO DEEP if Fed has lost in IW R2

Guybrush
03-22-2007, 11:20 AM
Ivanisevic stayed as world no two for many years without winning a major.

Rios was No.1 without a GS. ;)

oz_boz
03-22-2007, 11:55 AM
If Nadal wins Miami, Monte Carlo, Rome, Hamburg, RG, and Wimbledon, he gains 1300 points. If Federer loses first round at RG and Wimbledon but defends his other points (except for losing to Nadal in the final at Miami), he loses 1850 points. That, I believe, would just do it.

Good luck finding those WMDs! :wavey:

You forgot Barcelona for Nadal, he has 300 points to defend there. He'd need all you listed plus at least SF in Barca to surpass Fed after Wimbly in the way you suggested.

Ain't happening though. Nadal has his best part of the season coming up, plus a Wimbly final to defend, so he will struggle to gain any significant on Fed before the US hc summer.

mashamaniac
03-22-2007, 11:58 AM
i wish it was as easy as losing two first rounds for rafa to get there...! maybe losing ten first rounds will cost fed a #1 spot lose but it ain't as easy as that unfortunately...

atheneglaukopis
03-22-2007, 04:02 PM
You forgot Barcelona for Nadal, he has 300 points to defend there. He'd need all you listed plus at least SF in Barca to surpass Fed after Wimbly in the way you suggested.

Ain't happening though. Nadal has his best part of the season coming up, plus a Wimbly final to defend, so he will struggle to gain any significant on Fed before the US hc summer.You're right, thanks. I was only looking at the required tournaments, but let's assume if he can win the next six of those, he can also defend Barcelona and/or pick up points at Queen's.

Poor Rafa, so much pressure. :awww:

t0x
03-22-2007, 04:59 PM
Thread starter:-

what is the frequency of Federer losing in the first round of a tournament?
Once in roughly 3 years I believe. So ermm yeah, that just about says it all :)

atheneglaukopis
03-22-2007, 05:38 PM
Adam had better tell Rocking Rasta to step it up--Roger is two first round losses and six or seven major Rafa wins away from losing his lead. :rocker2:

Action Jackson
10-02-2007, 07:17 AM
Of course the OP is right.

groundstroke
10-02-2007, 03:53 PM
Nope.

Forehander
10-03-2007, 12:11 AM
well I think it's pretty obviously.... Federer's going to have 8-10 1st round losses upcoming. Everybody agree yeh?

ChinoRios4Ever
10-03-2007, 01:19 AM
ACC is coming

:haha::haha::haha:

FedFan_2007
10-03-2007, 04:01 AM
Who is this Frederer person?

kabuki
10-03-2007, 04:11 AM
Oh yeah? Well I was 2-3 numbers away from winning the lottery tonight. Guess what that got me.

R.Federer
10-03-2007, 04:25 AM
I was just one zero away from getting a perfect score on the Mensa society exam. :)

CyBorg
10-03-2007, 04:38 AM
Yup and only four consecutive first round losses away from retirement. Time to plan the HOF inductment speech.