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ATP decides to end Round Robin

kundalini
03-21-2007, 07:52 PM
It was painful, it was embarrassing, it was comic. But now it's over. According to the BBC website the ATP has decided to end Round Robin.

From the official statement - "However, the carefully monitored testing at the five test case events this year raised a number of concerns and weaknesses that were not apparent from desk research............................Finally, and significantly, no format or rule could address the overwhelming player concern that their destiny was not in their own hands as a result of dead matches or withdrawals"

"Let's face it, I haven't got a clue what I'm doing" said ATP Chairman and President Etienne de Villiers (OK made that bit up, he didn't really admit to what we all know by now)

cobalt60
03-21-2007, 07:53 PM
not a surprise

madmanfool
03-21-2007, 07:53 PM
http://www.atptennis.com/en/news/2007/roundrobin.asp

Labamba
03-21-2007, 07:54 PM
:woohoo:

the only possible decision really

Denaon
03-21-2007, 07:54 PM
:cool:

maria_marie
03-21-2007, 07:54 PM
wohooo it was high time they realised how stupid the idea of round robin was.

scarecrows
03-21-2007, 07:55 PM
well, we knew that it had the hours counted

wise decision

zadle69
03-21-2007, 07:55 PM
now they need to shorten the season. make it from march - end of october. i think people do not have the attention to go from jan -nov. it is way too much. tennis is not like golf. it should be like baseball and other sports where it has a short season. that needs to be worked on immediately.

Jlee
03-21-2007, 07:56 PM
FINALLY! :woohoo:

Regenbogen
03-21-2007, 07:57 PM
Thank goodness :D

NicoFan
03-21-2007, 07:57 PM
:woohoo:

:woohoo:

Deboogle!.
03-21-2007, 08:00 PM
Thank god.

scoobs
03-21-2007, 08:00 PM
Yes!!!!!!!!!!!

:D

superhoops
03-21-2007, 08:01 PM
:woohoo:

Jim Jones
03-21-2007, 08:02 PM
The next atp chairman should be a tennis player, somene who has played the game.

Deathless Mortal
03-21-2007, 08:03 PM
:yeah: :aparty:

scoobs
03-21-2007, 08:03 PM
Rejoice! Rejoice!

*Viva Chile*
03-21-2007, 08:11 PM
this is is time for a MTF party :woohoo: :aparty: :yeah:

Fumus
03-21-2007, 08:11 PM
but it was working so well.

Horatio Caine
03-21-2007, 08:12 PM
:sad:













































:haha: :yeah:

partygirl
03-21-2007, 08:12 PM
:lol::lol::lol:


...who said party? :aplot::aparty:

atheneglaukopis
03-21-2007, 08:16 PM
Hallelujah!

neenah
03-21-2007, 08:18 PM
http://www.robinwood.com/Catalog/FreeStuff/Wallpapers/WallpaperGraphics/SoaringThumb.jpg

Hopefully the Robin has flown away for good. :)

Fedex
03-21-2007, 08:20 PM
:woohoo: :bigclap:

Haidef Lorez
03-21-2007, 08:21 PM
Miami, Florida, U.S.A. – The ATP Board has voted to end the experimentation with round robin formats on the ATP tour, it was announced today. The remaining events who had initially volunteered for the round robin format will now revert to the original knock out competition.

The ATP had begun testing several versions of the format at lower level events this year following initial research that indicated it could be a measure to provide significant growth to the game.

The research showed it was popular among casual fans because it gave them more opportunity to see their local and favorite players than in a traditional knockout format. The format also had the added benefit of allowing tournaments to showcase their marquee players deeper into the tournament week and made TV scheduling of matches easier and more promotable.

However, the carefully monitored testing at the five test case events this year raised a number of concerns and weaknesses that were not apparent from desk research. Firstly, the 32 hybrid format caused confusion; second, resolving who would progress from the round robin stage with 3 men groups was often complicated; and third, sections of the media had difficulty in reporting round robin and consequently fans not at the event had difficultly in following early results. Finally, and significantly, no format or rule could address the overwhelming player concern that their destiny was not in their own hands as a result of dead matches or withdrawals.

The ATP Board considered all the research and analysis gathered during the experiment both from outside research agencies and tournament volunteers and concluded while there was a considerable amount of encouraging data, in the end the negatives outweighed the positives.

“The ATP is determined to be fact based, and not opinion led. We’re committed to a philosophy of ‘do it, try it, fix it or lose it,’ with initiatives that could grow our sport,” said ATP Chairman and President Etienne de Villiers. “We take all stakeholders into account, especially our players and tournaments, when we make decisions but will always have a fan focus.”

“It was a good experiment and we learned a lot from it. Some experiments will work and others won’t, but we will keep trying to find new and better ways of growing the appeal of men’s professional tennis,” de Villiers said.

LaTenista
03-21-2007, 08:21 PM
:yeah: About time.

fabolous
03-21-2007, 08:21 PM
expected decision.

now sack mr disney next, please!

Björki
03-21-2007, 08:34 PM
:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:

R.Federer
03-21-2007, 08:34 PM
R.i.p

Sunset of Age
03-21-2007, 08:36 PM
RR = http://www.freesmileys.org/emo/sick013.gif

:music: :rocker2: :bounce: :woohoo:

BTW: thanks JayJay and everyone who signed the petition - perhaps it has been of any help! :yeah:

RonE
03-21-2007, 08:36 PM
Halleflippingluya.

Saumon
03-21-2007, 08:44 PM
Round Robin, we will miss you :wavey: Rest in peace and please, never come back! :D


:woohoo:

Dimitra
03-21-2007, 08:47 PM
:woohoo:
And again,well done to jayjay,and everyone who signed the petition-they contributed in a way.:)

jazar
03-21-2007, 08:51 PM
the farce is over

Lee
03-21-2007, 08:53 PM
http://img2.menstennisforums.com/753/yahoo.gif

Psichogauchovna
03-21-2007, 08:56 PM
that was the only right way :p

sebastiagol
03-21-2007, 08:57 PM
finally!!!

TheHawk
03-21-2007, 09:00 PM
So sad. Injured players and newcomers had the chance to play at least two matches in a tournament.

Björki
03-21-2007, 09:13 PM
http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/afp/20070321/capt.sge.hoq31.210307205133.photo00.photo.default-351x512.jpg

Carlita
03-21-2007, 09:16 PM
:bounce::yippee::woohoo::rocker2:

DhammaTiger
03-21-2007, 09:33 PM
Wonderful news!! :woohoo: :yippee:

Kitty de Sade
03-21-2007, 09:39 PM
HALLELUJAH! :woohoo: :banana: :aparty:

Best news of the day, ending this trainwreck of an idea. I guess that 79% approval rating was a bit inflated then. ;)

Burrow
03-21-2007, 09:41 PM
I really couldnt care.

shotgun
03-21-2007, 09:46 PM
The right decision, even though we all knew it wouldn't work before the experiment had even started. I feel sorry that such fine tournaments as Adelaide and Buenos Aires were used as guinea pigs and therefore ruined.

Joyce_23
03-21-2007, 09:48 PM
Bye bye now!!! :bigclap:

Kalliopeia
03-21-2007, 09:50 PM
Excellent. :)

Scotso
03-21-2007, 09:54 PM
:woohoo:

Our first victory over Mr. Disney.

Now we need to fight a bit harder to reinstate doubles to its full glory. :p

Naide
03-21-2007, 09:55 PM
http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/afp/20070321/capt.sge.hoq31.210307205133.photo00.photo.default-351x512.jpg

:inlove:

anna10
03-21-2007, 09:55 PM
I feel sorry that such fine tournaments as Adelaide and Buenos Aires were used as guinea pigs and therefore ruined.
Excellent news, and completely agree with the above.

dylan24
03-21-2007, 10:49 PM
about fucking time.
at least they ended it now and not at the end of the year.
thank god for the blake korolev fiasco

Bilbo
03-21-2007, 10:54 PM
good decision by the ATP :yeah:

hablovah19
03-21-2007, 11:05 PM
:woohoo:

Neely
03-21-2007, 11:07 PM
expected after the happenings lately and as I said, the self-healing processes of the markets are in effect

Via
03-21-2007, 11:07 PM
i'm glad that it goes quickly and decisively :worship:

but it's still scary to see that defiant determination to continue with their 'experiments'. and there is no admission of a poor execution.... even experiments can be conducted more smartly.

Eden
03-21-2007, 11:20 PM
Excellent news :yeah:

Vin Judah
03-21-2007, 11:21 PM
wohoooooooooo!

Shrinking Violet
03-21-2007, 11:35 PM
I'm sure we'll all miss the RR experiment. :lol:

I would like to thank James Blake, Juan Martin Del Potro Evgeny Korolev and Etienne De Villiers for their roles in this farce ending today. It wasn't pretty for the players, but the crap they had to put up with in Vegas was the final nail in the coffin. :yeah:

my0118
03-21-2007, 11:35 PM
great. :yeah:

knight_ley
03-21-2007, 11:59 PM
:woohoo:

meelis13
03-22-2007, 12:03 AM
:bounce:

Malul
03-22-2007, 12:28 AM
buhuhu,now a player will be defeated and not be able anymore to rise and win the competition,it´s so unfair!!!!:crying2:


:aparty: :smoke: :banana: :crazy:

scoobs
03-22-2007, 12:35 AM
i'm glad that it goes quickly and decisively :worship:

but it's still scary to see that defiant determination to continue with their 'experiments'. and there is no admission of a poor execution.... even experiments can be conducted more smartly.
Indeed. It should have been obvious to them, as it was to many of us, the inherent problems with RR, before they implemented it. We could have told them things that did eventually happen, would do so. It's disappointing they didn't think through all the scenarios and decide what the solution was before the events went live. Nothing happened out there that could not have been forseen and accounted for.

It's worrying that they're prepared to mess around with events with scant regard for the predictable consequences. Their experiments should be completely thought through and airtight before they see field testing.

Something tells me though that this lesson has yet to be learned.

~EMiLiTA~
03-22-2007, 12:53 AM
pffft it took them 3 months because some things "weren't apparent from desk research". they are so dense. we could have told them that before they even implemented this crap. at least they saw the light.

MaryWalsh
03-22-2007, 02:56 AM
Miami, Florida, U.S.A. – . . .However, the carefully monitored testing at the five test case events this year raised a number of concerns and weaknesses that were not apparent from desk research.

Did it REALLY take 5 test case events to see the obvious . . .

“The ATP is determined to be fact based, and not opinion led. We’re committed to a philosophy of ‘do it, try it, fix it or lose it,’ with initiatives that could grow our sport,”

Yeah, after all, this philosophy works well in all areas of life . . . medicine, law, politics, genocide . . hey, try it, and then, if it doesn't work, well, you have learned something useful!

“It was a good experiment and we learned a lot from it. Some experiments will work and others won’t, but we will keep trying to find new and better ways of growing the appeal of men’s professional tennis,” de Villiers said.

Dude, don't kill tennis while you are trying to "grow the appeal".

I truly cannot stand the way this man's mind works, and how he rationalizes and minimizes his miscalculations.

ChinoRios4Ever
03-22-2007, 03:00 AM
never in doubt :woohoo: :aparty:

MisterQ
03-22-2007, 03:03 AM
This will go down as a fascinating little footnote in ATP history... lamentable, but interesting. :lol:

Metis
03-22-2007, 03:05 AM
This will go down as a fascinating little footnote in ATP history... lamentable, but interesting. :lol:

Your avatar :lol:

MisterQ
03-22-2007, 03:23 AM
^ :lol: I Googled "dead robin" earlier today and I saw the large version of MisterQ's avatar, along with a host of other interesting pictures. :unsure:

How odd! I found it by googling "metabolically-challenged thrushes". :dance:

EasternWind
03-22-2007, 03:29 AM
:wavey:

Action Jackson
03-22-2007, 04:19 AM
Mr. Disney is like Fonzie, but not as cool.

What is the phrase you are looking for? Round Robin is wrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr come on he can finish it.

Via
03-22-2007, 05:05 AM
Indeed. It should have been obvious to them, as it was to many of us, the inherent problems with RR, before they implemented it. We could have told them things that did eventually happen, would do so. It's disappointing they didn't think through all the scenarios and decide what the solution was before the events went live. Nothing happened out there that could not have been forseen and accounted for.

It's worrying that they're prepared to mess around with events with scant regard for the predictable consequences. Their experiments should be completely thought through and airtight before they see field testing.

Something tells me though that this lesson has yet to be learned.

yup, the keyword is testing. those atp scientists have never heard of it! :lol:

TennisLurker
03-22-2007, 05:15 AM
http://www.moviepoopshoot.com/comics101/images/2003/dec17/deathinthefamily.jpg

mangoes
03-22-2007, 05:16 AM
It was painful, it was embarrassing, it was comic. But now it's over. According to the BBC website the ATP has decided to end Round Robin.

From the official statement - "However, the carefully monitored testing at the five test case events this year raised a number of concerns and weaknesses that were not apparent from desk research............................Finally, and significantly, no format or rule could address the overwhelming player concern that their destiny was not in their own hands as a result of dead matches or withdrawals"

"Let's face it, I haven't got a clue what I'm doing" said ATP Chairman and President Etienne de Villiers (OK made that bit up, he didn't really admit to what we all know by now)


It seems to me that there are a couple of posters on MTF that are smarter than Mr. Disney. The "concerns and weaknesses" for RR were projected, in MTF posts, long before the 5 test case events

supertommyhaas
03-22-2007, 05:24 AM
it was never going to stay for half a season :lol:

Tankman
03-22-2007, 10:45 AM
:woohoo:

finally back to normality... terrible idea to begin with, and as we've seen, even worse in practice... hopefully RR stays where it belongs from now on

have the ATP come to their senses yet?... you'd hope the ATP would stop its experiments and leave the game alone

but from Mr Disney's attempts to play up his 'experiment', I have a bad feeling there will be more to come...

Mateya
03-22-2007, 11:14 AM
:banana: :banana:

Thank god...

Alexiana
03-22-2007, 11:14 AM
I'm so relieved!!!! No more dead matches, no more unfair decisions, that give the top players a benefit. Thanks Korolev:devil:

oz_boz
03-22-2007, 11:19 AM
Good decision.

maqk
03-22-2007, 11:37 AM
good decision, if thats for real & final

Billabong
03-22-2007, 11:44 AM
:aparty:

rrfnpump
03-22-2007, 11:45 AM
:yeah: :D :dance:

no RR at Stuttgart then :)

kaetchen
03-22-2007, 11:46 AM
wonderful news! :banana:

It was unfair from the beginning offering top players an advantage, and it proved it's even worse in practice!

kristanmichelle
03-22-2007, 12:27 PM
“We’re committed to a philosophy of ‘do it, try it, fix it or lose it,’"

I should apply this theory to my chem lab, and when something goes wrong inform my prof that "the outcome was not foreseeable." *g*

Good-bye RR.

Conita
03-22-2007, 12:52 PM
best news all week :woohoo:

mtw
03-22-2007, 01:04 PM
It was painful, it was embarrassing, it was comic. But now it's over. According to the BBC website the ATP has decided to end Round Robin.

From the official statement - "However, the carefully monitored testing at the five test case events this year raised a number of concerns and weaknesses that were not apparent from desk research............................Finally, and significantly, no format or rule could address the overwhelming player concern that their destiny was not in their own hands as a result of dead matches or withdrawals"

"Let's face it, I haven't got a clue what I'm doing" said ATP Chairman and President Etienne de Villiers (OK made that bit up, he didn't really admit to what we all know by now)

Poor man. He was drowned by idiots. Such is the life. There are much more cretins on this world, than clever people.

Action Jackson
03-22-2007, 01:07 PM
There are much more cretins on this world, than clever people.

You are the perfect example of the above statement.

Julio1974
03-22-2007, 01:45 PM
You are the perfect example of the above statement.

:haha: :haha:

mtw
03-22-2007, 04:59 PM
You are the perfect example of the above statement.

I do not bet. I am honest - opposite to you.

Action Jackson
03-22-2007, 05:27 PM
I do not bet. I am honest - opposite to you.

Your previous statment said. "There are much more cretins on this world, than clever people". This is true, but it doesn't apply to you are among the clever people.

I am far from the smartest peron around, but even on worst days I can't compete with you in the cretin stakes.

There are so many reasons why RR got killed off and just like night follows day, rain is wet, the sun rises in the east, these little things are called facts, something you have a problem with.

Merton
03-22-2007, 05:46 PM
Expected loss for the RR format :yeah: But there is no doubt that Mr. Disney will strike back.

uglyamerican
03-22-2007, 06:03 PM
Darn, they were just about to get RR right. If only they had one more tournament.

Didn't IW have the highest attendance ever for a non-slam event? And didn't a massive amount of seeded players lose in early in the tournament? I think the whole idea of protecting the "stars" to generate more interest is flawed.

HamburgGirl
03-22-2007, 06:46 PM
:woohoo: :banana: :aparty: :banana: :woohoo:

Damita
03-22-2007, 08:17 PM
:woohoo: :banana: :aparty: :banana: :woohoo:

:lol: I couldn't say it better :yeah:
(Hopefully De Villiers won't have other brilliant ideas like this one :unsure: )

mashamaniac
03-22-2007, 10:14 PM
i hope they won't use this RR format anymore...not only now but in whole tennis history! what a disgrace!

Sommarsverige
03-22-2007, 10:49 PM
:bounce: :banana: :woohoo: :bounce: :banana: :woohoo: :aparty:

Best news of the day and time for a party :bounce:

Richard_from_Cal
03-23-2007, 05:24 AM
HUGE sigh of relief!