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>0o0<.What`s the worst CHOKE in a major FINAL==> Coria 04, McEnroe 84...other???

CmonAussie
03-20-2007, 11:31 AM
:wavey: :cool: :eek: :sad:

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Here`s a few major choke jobs I can think of [major finals only]~~ in each case the player in question lost after leading 2-sets-love:eek:

For me Coria`s 2004 choke in the FO final was the worst ever:o

Followed closely by McEnroe`s choke in the 1984 final:(



Coria lost to Gaudio [2004 FO final]
6-0, 6-3, 4-6, 1-6, 6-8

McEnroe lost to Lendl [1984 FO final]
6-3, 6-2, 4-6, 5-7, 5-7

Medvedev lost to Agassi [1999 FO final]
6-1, 6-2, 4-6, 3-6, 4-6

Moya lost to Corretja [1998 TMC final]
6-3, 6-3, 5-7, 3-6, 5-7

Federer lost to Nalbandian [2005 TMC final]
7-6, 7-6, 2-6, 1-6, 6-7

Nadal lost to Federer [2005 Miami final]
6-2, 7-6, 6-7, 3-6, 1-6



...[for the traditionalists~>> no wonder they call Laver the GREATEST!]...
>>>

Neale Fraser lost to Rod Laver [1960 AO final]
7-5, 6-3, 3-6, 6-8, 6-8

Roy Emerson lost to Rod Laver [1962 FO final]
6-3, 6-2, 3-6, 7-9, 2-6



Going back even further in the history books:
~~

Ted Schroeder lost to Pancho Gonzalez [1949 USO final]
18-16, 6-2, 1-6, 2-6, 4-6



***PS:~what is it about the French Open that produces so many choke jobs:confused: :confused: :eek:

DDrago2
03-20-2007, 11:36 AM
YOu forgot Becker against Edberg in Wimbledon finals, when was it arghh? I was a small child then but I still remember: it was 2-0 in sets for Becker and it all looked as mere execution, and then suddenly after a magnificent backhand lob from Edberg everything turns around. For me that is the biggest choke ever, followed with Coria's one against Gaudio (I cheered for Gaudio then but couldn't believe when he did it!)

CmonAussie
03-20-2007, 11:43 AM
YOu forgot Becker against Edberg in Wimbledon finals, when was it arghh? I was a small child then but I still remember: it was 2-0 in sets for Becker and it all looked as mere execution, and then suddenly after a magnificent backhand lob from Edberg everything turns around. For me that is the biggest choke ever, followed with Coria's one against Gaudio (I cheered for Gaudio then but couldn't believe when he did it!)


:wavey:
Which final are you referring to:confused:

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1988 Wimbledon Edberg def Becker 4-6, 7-6, 6-4, 6-2
1990 Wimbledon Edberg def Becker 6-2, 6-2, 3-6, 3-6, 6-4

rafa_maniac
03-20-2007, 11:54 AM
Another big one was Grosjean losing to Clement in the 2001 Aus Open semi-final. I think he was up something like 2 sets to love, 5-2 and serving, and ended up losing. However, the biggest choke I've ever seen was actually a women's match. Kim Clijsters up 5-1 and 40-15 against Serena Williams in the Aus Open semis back in 03 and she ended up losing!! :mad:

Dancing Hero
03-20-2007, 11:57 AM
Mac really should have closed out the 84 French final. He blew it with that temper of his.

Coria and Medvedev, I guess yeah.

CmonAussie
03-20-2007, 12:01 PM
Mac really should have closed out the 84 French final. He blew it with that temper of his.

Coria and Medvedev, I guess yeah.

:wavey:
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I`m pretty sure McEnroe led 4-1 in that 3rd set~ didn`t he:confused:
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So he only had to hold serve a couple of times & he would have won the 84 FO in straight sets:eek:

Dancing Hero
03-20-2007, 12:04 PM
:wavey:
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I`m pretty sure McEnroe led 4-1 in that 3rd set~ didn`t he:confused:
...
So he only had to hold serve a couple of times & he would have won the 84 FO in straight sets:eek:

Yeah, something like that and again 4-2 in the fourth as well, I think.

:)

All_Slam_Andre
03-20-2007, 12:05 PM
If Mac had held his nerve and not given in to his temper in that French Open final, he probably would have decided to play at the Australian Open in December that year, and considering the tournament was on grass he would have had an excellent chance of completing the calendar grand slam.
Ah well as a big Lendl fan I very much enjoyed seeing him snatch that French Open title away from Mac :)

Dancing Hero
03-20-2007, 12:10 PM
Some clown has to butt in, don't they. I, in return, enjoyed Lendl coming up short at Wimbledon every year.:)

All_Slam_Andre
03-20-2007, 12:13 PM
Some clown has to butt in, don't they. I, in return, enjoyed Lendl coming up short at Wimbledon every year.:)

Don't worry I consoled myself with Lendl beating Mac 21 times. Each victory was more sastisfying than the last :)

Kolya
03-20-2007, 12:14 PM
Coria's choke was very weird to me :D

Medvedev was pretty bad...

Dancing Hero
03-20-2007, 12:17 PM
Don't worry I consoled myself with Lendl beating Mac 21 times :)


You consoled yourself? I bet you did, every time Lendl was playing. No Wimbledon titles for Ivan! :D

Dancing Hero
03-20-2007, 12:19 PM
Don't worry I consoled myself with Lendl beating Mac 21 times. Each victory was more sastisfying than the last :)


You even edited it, you clown.! What a loser! :p

All_Slam_Andre
03-20-2007, 12:20 PM
Coria's choke was abysmal. He was the best player on clay by a long distance going into that French Open final. Before his defeat by Federer at the Hamburg final, hadn't he won something like 31 consecutive matches on clay? Gaudio was 12-9 on clay that year going into to the French Open and was 1-3 at Monte-Carlo, Rome and Hamburg.
Wasn't Gaudio also close to quitting in the 2nd or 3rd set of that final?

All_Slam_Andre
03-20-2007, 12:21 PM
You consoled yourself? I bet you did, every time Lendl was playing. No Wimbledon titles for Ivan! :D

More grand slam titles, weeks at no.1 and career titles for Lendl than Mac :)

All_Slam_Andre
03-20-2007, 12:24 PM
You even edited it, you clown.! What a loser! :p

Or basically you've made a complete fool of yourself overreacting to my original post, where I all said was that Mac could have pulled off the grand slam had he won that final, but I was glad he didn't because I preferred Lendl to him :)

DDrago2
03-20-2007, 12:24 PM
Which final are you referring to

>>>
1988 Wimbledon Edberg def Becker 4-6, 7-6, 6-4, 6-2
1990 Wimbledon Edberg def Becker 6-2, 6-2, 3-6, 3-6, 6-4


There you go, it seems I don't remeber that well after all :(
I remember the match was changed dramaticaly after Edbergs lob. Whatever of these two matches it was, the result was not like I imagined it. But I'v never seen a match in which I was more sure that the player who lost on the end will win (Becker)

rubsch
03-20-2007, 12:29 PM
Coria led with a break in the third... then he had cramps in his legs...

That loss was so sad I never overcame it and so Coria didn't either I think. He couldn serve faster than about 100km/h with the first serve because of the cramps and he couldn run anymore what we all know is his biggest strength... Oh I hate to remember that final. :sad:

All_Slam_Andre
03-20-2007, 12:31 PM
Coria has go to be right up there with Corretja as being one of the best player on clay never to have won the French Open. I really enjoyed watching him play when he was at the height of his powers.

Dancing Hero
03-20-2007, 12:31 PM
More grand slam titles, weeks at no.1 and career titles for Lendl than Mac :)


Both great players. Go away, you sad geek with your numbers. Do you wear glasses, have spots and wear an anorak?

All_Slam_Andre
03-20-2007, 12:33 PM
Both great players.

I agree and I never stated otherwise. Please learn how to read in future before humiliating yourself in a such a manner again.

DDrago2
03-20-2007, 12:34 PM
All_Slam_Andre, but Coria still lost his match to Federer on clay... How then can you than say "He was the best player on clay by a long distance" going into that FO? It wasn't some freaky lost, he was clearly outplayed and it looked like he would be outplayed again

Action Jackson
03-20-2007, 12:35 PM
Coria has go to be right up there with Corretja as being one of the best player on clay never to have won the French Open. I really enjoyed watching him play when he was at the height of his powers.

You forgetting Mecir and Rios those 2 were better than the above mentioned and never won Slams.

Dancing Hero
03-20-2007, 12:36 PM
I agree and I never stated otherwise. Please learn how to read in future before humiliating yourself in a such a manner again.

If you try and butt in being smart, making smart points, I will reply and show you up again. How's that for ya, big head?

All_Slam_Andre
03-20-2007, 12:39 PM
All_Slam_Andre, but Coria still lost his match to Federer on clay... How then can you than say "He was the best player on clay by a long distance" going into that FO? It wasn't some freaky lost, he was clearly outplayed and it looked like he would be outplayed again

Fair enough great point. In 2004 though I felt that Federer was far too inconsistent on clay, even with his Hamburg title, to be classed as a serious title contender on clay. I certainly felt that then, unlike now, he was vunerable to defeat by a whole host of claycourters. At the time, I didn't see how Coria would be stopped, having won Monte-Carlo which I value higher than Hamburg and with his experiences gained from reaching the semis at RG in 2003

All_Slam_Andre
03-20-2007, 12:51 PM
If you try and butt in being smart, making smart points, I will reply and show you up again. How's that for ya, big head?

Well first you need to improve your literary and comprehension skills (paying special attention to being able to recognise light-hearted jest), before you are in any position to attempt to show anyone up. Good luck with all your learning :)

All_Slam_Andre
03-20-2007, 12:53 PM
You forgetting Mecir and Rios those 2 were better than the above mentioned and never won Slams.

I don't doubt that Mecir and Rios are probably the two best players never to have won a grand slam, but if we're talking specifically about the French Open, they only managed to reach one RG semi-final between them, which is why I would rank them behind Corretja and Coria on clay.

CmonAussie
03-20-2007, 12:57 PM
...[for the traditionalists~>> no wonder they call Laver the GREATEST!]...
>>>

Neale Fraser lost to Rod Laver [1960 AO final]
7-5, 6-3, 3-6, 6-8, 6-8

Roy Emerson lost to Rod Laver [1962 FO final]
6-3, 6-2, 3-6, 7-9, 2-6

Dancing Hero
03-20-2007, 12:58 PM
Well first you need to improve your literary and comprehension skills (paying special attention to being able to recognise light-hearted jest), before you are in any position to attempt to show anyone up. Good luck with all your learning :)

Yeah, but mate, I don't want anything to do with you, and you would do well not to be so arrogant, even though it's probably second nature to you. Take care now, genius.:D :p

Action Jackson
03-20-2007, 12:59 PM
I don't doubt that Mecir and Rios are probably the two best players never to have won a grand slam, but if we're talking specifically about the French Open, they only managed to reach one RG semi-final between them, which is why I would rank them behind Corretja and Coria on clay.

I am talking about any Slam. Rios at worst would be equal with Coria, Rios did win every major title on clay but the not the one that counted and Mecir was outstanding on clay. Tell me do you destroy Wilander 1 and 2 on clay court when he was near his best.

All_Slam_Andre
03-20-2007, 01:08 PM
I am talking about any Slam. Rios at worst would be equal with Coria, Rios did win every major title on clay but the not the one that counted and Mecir was outstanding on clay. Tell me do you destroy Wilander 1 and 2 on clay court when he was near his best.

Sure if we are talking about any slam Mecir and Rios are streets ahead.
Regarding on clay, the bit in bold is the key to me. Coria was the better at Roland Garros which is why he was a better claycourter than Rios. To me Rios reaching two French Open quarter-finals is not all comparable with Coria reaching the final (where he led by 2 sets and to love and had some match points) and a semi-final the year before. I would say that Coria's superior French Open record is more than enough to compensate for Rios's 1 extra clay court masters series title.
I fully take your point about Mecir though.

Horatio Caine
03-20-2007, 01:12 PM
Well first you need to improve your literary and comprehension skills (paying special attention to being able to recognise light-hearted jest), before you are in any position to attempt to show anyone up. Good luck with all your learning :)

:yeah: :lol:

CmonAussie
03-20-2007, 02:36 PM
>>>
#``#
...
Going back even further in the history books:
~~

Ted Schroeder lost to Pancho Gonzalez [1949 USO final]
18-16, 6-2, 1-6, 2-6, 4-6

Kitty de Sade
03-20-2007, 02:40 PM
Some good ones listed already. Watching Coria was the worst, IMO. Just painful watching the wheels fall off that way. The really unfortunate part is that he hasn't recovered the level of play that got him there.

Loremaster
03-20-2007, 02:45 PM
Where is Federer he had some pretty big chokes leading 5-3 in 2003 in DC and then Lleyton crushed him Federer look kind bad after playing perfect for 3sets but when Lleyton broke I know it was all over for Roger TMC 2005 blowing break up and 30-0 and then rome 2006 4-1up and two mps he choked like amateur on that MPs

CmonAussie
03-20-2007, 03:07 PM
Where is Federer he had some pretty big chokes leading 5-3 in 2003 in DC and then Lleyton crushed him Federer look kind bad after playing perfect for 3sets but when Lleyton broke I know it was all over for Roger TMC 2005 blowing break up and 30-0 and then rome 2006 4-1up and two mps he choked like amateur on that MPs


:wavey:
Okie dokies fair point;)

Federer lost to Nalbandian [2005 TMC final]
7-6, 7-6, 2-6, 1-6, 6-7

Federer lost to Hewitt [2003 Davis Cup SF]
7-5, 6-2, 6-7, 5-7, 1-6

Norrage
03-20-2007, 03:15 PM
Fair enough great point. In 2004 though I felt that Federer was far too inconsistent on clay, even with his Hamburg title, to be classed as a serious title contender on clay. I certainly felt that then, unlike now, he was vunerable to defeat by a whole host of claycourters. At the time, I didn't see how Coria would be stopped, having won Monte-Carlo which I value higher than Hamburg and with his experiences gained from reaching the semis at RG in 2003
Coria was invincible on clay that year. Just his Hamburg run he seemed a bit tired. Before that he hardly lost any sets (to low players) on clay, and he did lose sets all tourney long there which makes believe he surely wasn't in topform.

The form he showed in his first 6 matches at RG was incredible (except his hickup vs Henman because Henman frustrated him :P) and is easely compared to the quality Nadal puts on the court on clay atm. Coria though is a choker, Nadal is not. So thats why Coria couldnt win that final (although I sometimes wonder if it was a choke or a clear cramp-injury....)

He really was the best on clay that year. You really can't judge that based on that loss to Fed.

Loremaster
03-20-2007, 03:28 PM
I agree that gaudio get back into match cos coria had problems but he blowed two easy MPs it was similiar to Roger in TMC nalby was able to recover to 2-2 because roger wasnt 100% but he just choked in the end CmonAussie add Roger lose to Rafa in Rome those Mps there were huge chokes

CmonAussie
03-20-2007, 03:38 PM
I agree that gaudio get back into match cos coria had problems but he blowed two easy MPs it was similiar to Roger in TMC nalby was able to recover to 2-2 because roger wasnt 100% but he just choked in the end CmonAussie add Roger lose to Rafa in Rome those Mps there were huge chokes


:wavey:
Sorry mate><..I just made the list of ultimate chokes~> where players had lost 2-sets-to-love leads:eek:
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I agree that Federer choked to a certain extent in that Rome final:sad: , however Rogi never enjoyed a big comfortable lead in that match...so I don`t think it qualifies;)

RonE
03-20-2007, 04:03 PM
If Mac had held his nerve and not given in to his temper in that French Open final, he probably would have decided to play at the Australian Open in December that year, and considering the tournament was on grass he would have had an excellent chance of completing the calendar grand slam.
Ah well as a big Lendl fan I very much enjoyed seeing him snatch that French Open title away from Mac :)

Some clown has to butt in, don't they. I, in return, enjoyed Lendl coming up short at Wimbledon every year.:)

You consoled yourself? I bet you did, every time Lendl was playing. No Wimbledon titles for Ivan! :D

You even edited it, you clown.! What a loser! :p

:haha:

To people complaining about the 'tardism' going on between Federer and Nadal fans don't let anyone ever tell you 'tardism' is age restricted. MacTard versus Lendltard at its finest simply brilliant :worship:

Now I am waiting for a couple of grumpy old folks to start a Laver-Emerson tard war that would be awesome :D

CmonAussie
03-20-2007, 04:10 PM
Coria led with a break in the third... then he had cramps in his legs...

That loss was so sad I never overcame it and so Coria didn't either I think. He couldn serve faster than about 100km/h with the first serve because of the cramps and he couldn run anymore what we all know is his biggest strength... Oh I hate to remember that final. :sad:


:wavey:
Yeah one gets the feeling that Coria`s life forever changed after losing that FO final~~ he wanted it so bad, & yet when he had his chance to wrap it up he couldn`t handle the moment:sad: :sad:

Here`s his press conference following defeat><..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28k-FOWR04o

Byrd
03-20-2007, 04:22 PM
Vintage Coria, would be nice to see him playing like this again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xtx_VlYnx8

Bobby
03-20-2007, 04:45 PM
:wavey:
Okie dokies fair point;)

Federer lost to Nalbandian [2005 TMC final]
7-6, 7-6, 2-6, 1-6, 6-7

Federer lost to Hewitt [2003 Davis Cup SF]
7-5, 6-2, 6-7, 5-7, 1-6

I don't think that Federer was fully fit when he lost to Nalbandian in that final. I think that some people have a habit of classifying all so called unexpected losses as chokes. If a player loses a match after leading 2-0, it may be because he choked, but it may be something else as well. We should be somewhat careful when talking about chokes.

Misterman
03-20-2007, 04:59 PM
The Coria loss was epic.
In one single match, a mans professional career basically ended. :wavey:

Dancing Hero
03-20-2007, 05:37 PM
:haha:

To people complaining about the 'tardism' going on between Federer and Nadal fans don't let anyone ever tell you 'tardism' is age restricted. MacTard versus Lendltard at its finest simply brilliant :worship:

Now I am waiting for a couple of grumpy old folks to start a Laver-Emerson tard war that would be awesome :D

Glad you liked it, RonE! :D :wavey:

stebs
03-20-2007, 09:23 PM
***PS:~what is it about the French Open that produces so many choke jobs:confused: :confused: :eek: [/B]

Much more work has to be done to win each point meaning that in each individual point in time there is oppurtunity to choke. On a fast surface you can go out there, serve, forehand, serve, serve, serve, backhand, volley. And the game is won, on clay you have to hit more shots and there is more time for you to realise what's going on. It's tough to be consistent when you're nervous.

Loremaster
03-20-2007, 09:35 PM
Bobby it wasnt about Roger fitness he lost those 2 sets and then losing badly in 5th but he made miracle and came back but then he choked he had realised what he can do and it paralyzed him somehow fitness had nothing to do with it he was 5-4 30-0 playing on huge wave of momentum DC was even bigger choke

Jim Courier
03-20-2007, 09:41 PM
As unlikely Medvedev's loss was nothing is as cringe-worthy as Coria's. McEnroe lost it after shouting at that mic but he didn't completely melt :scared:

CmonAussie
03-21-2007, 01:15 AM
As unlikely Medvedev's loss was nothing is as cringe-worthy as Coria's. McEnroe lost it after shouting at that mic but he didn't completely melt :scared:


:wavey:
Hey Jim:cool: ,~how`s life on the seniors tour:confused: ..BTW,~nice dive into Melb`s Yarra River back in the early 90s when you won AO:D

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Yeah Coria`s choke at FO 04 was unlike anything I`ve ever seen before on a tennis court:eek:
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He wanted to win so bad & yet his body language & theatrics told a story of a very conflicted man [after he lost the 3rd set]:sad:

CmonAussie
03-21-2007, 01:29 AM
(-_-)
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Here`s one for the Aussie fans`@@`!!!... I was there at Kooyong stadium the day it happened<:)

Mikael Pernfors lost to Pat Cash [==1986 Davis Cup Final AUS vs SWE~ decisive rubber]!
6-2, 6-4, 3-6, 4-6, 3-6

Kitty de Sade
03-21-2007, 02:21 AM
(-_-)
***
Here`s one for the Aussie fans`@@`!!!... I was there at Kooyong stadium the day it happened<:)

Mikael Pernfors lost to Pat Cash [==1986 Davis Cup Final AUS vs SWE~ decisive rubber]!
6-2, 6-4, 3-6, 4-6, 3-6

Wow that really must have been a real heartbreaker. One thing to lose your own tour match, but to lose a DC match that way? Poor thing- that has to sting a bit.

cmurray
03-21-2007, 02:24 AM
Oh, I'd have to go with the Coria choke. I couldn't *believe* he lost that match. He just...disintegrated.

~EMiLiTA~
03-21-2007, 02:56 AM
Coria's was the worst I've seen in recent times

gillian
03-21-2007, 01:56 PM
Coria's choke was very weird to me :D

Understatement of the decade.

ExcaliburII
03-21-2007, 02:04 PM
Nalbandian-Roddick USO SF 03. David two sets up, wasted MP in third set Tb, and then lost easily fourth and 5th set.

Adler
03-21-2007, 02:08 PM
Wasn't this MP on Roddick's serve?

stebs
03-21-2007, 06:35 PM
Wasn't this MP on Roddick's serve?

Yes, and Roddick hit an ace.

Byrd
03-21-2007, 06:46 PM
Didn't Nalbandian get a bad call in that match as well which could of won him the match?

MisterQ
03-21-2007, 06:51 PM
Didn't Nalbandian get a bad call in that match as well which could of won him the match?

You are probably referring to a point earlier in the tiebreak, when Nalbandian was confused or distracted by crowd member that called "out". This was certainly unfortunate; however, there is no guarantee that Nalbandian would have won the set had this not happened, as is often assumed. On the actual match-point, Roddick hit a massive ace.

CyBorg
03-21-2007, 06:59 PM
There you go, it seems I don't remeber that well after all :(
I remember the match was changed dramaticaly after Edbergs lob. Whatever of these two matches it was, the result was not like I imagined it. But I'v never seen a match in which I was more sure that the player who lost on the end will win (Becker)

A much bigger choke job by Becker was against Stich in 91. The stats don't show it as much but that was his to win.

Boris Franz Ecker
03-21-2007, 07:48 PM
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I`m pretty sure McEnroe led 4-1 in that 3rd set~ didn`t he:confused:
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No, he didn't lead.
And it's rumoured that he was physically exhausted and Lendl was unstoppable.

source: Arte movie about Lendl/Big Mac rivalry.

Boris Franz Ecker
03-21-2007, 07:54 PM
YOu forgot Becker against Edberg in Wimbledon finals, when was it arghh? I was a small child then but I still remember: it was 2-0 in sets for Becker and it all looked as mere execution, and then suddenly after a magnificent backhand lob from Edberg everything turns around. For me that is the biggest choke ever, followed with Coria's one against Gaudio (I cheered for Gaudio then but couldn't believe when he did it!)

2-2 sets, Break ahead for Becker and a very good chance for a double break.