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Nadal looked like circa June 06' this week

IFoughtThe
03-19-2007, 04:13 PM
I thought we had seen the best of this guy and that he was there for the taking.

Clearly, listening to Roddick this week, so had a few others.

But he was back wasn't he?

No-one really got near him this week.

I think even Roger might have struggled against him this week.

Good to see him back.

The_Nadal_effect
03-19-2007, 04:27 PM
Clearly, listening to Roddick this week, so had a few others.

But he was back wasn't he?



What did Roddick say that I didn't hear?

Of course, Rafa's good, no but let us see if he can keep this form and surprise himself with more consistent victories on hard court.

IFoughtThe
03-19-2007, 04:30 PM
What did Roddick say that I didn't hear?

Of course, Rafa's good, no but let us see if he can keep this form and surprise himself with more consistent victories on hard court.

He basically said that guys had been thinking that he could be attacked, but that against him in Indian Wells, there wasn't much he could do.

The_Nadal_effect
03-19-2007, 04:46 PM
Vamos! :devil:
Our invincible Spaniard!:worship:
Always resilient. Even when down by 2 and a half sets! He comes back, no?
That's what makes Rafkullz story so exciting to watch. :fiery:

Xristos
03-19-2007, 04:49 PM
Vamooooooos! Its GREAT to have him back!

IFoughtThe
03-19-2007, 04:50 PM
Vamos! :devil:
Our invincible Spaniard!:worship:
Always resilient. Even when down by 2 and a half sets! He comes back, no?
That's what makes Rafkullz story so exciting to watch. :fiery:

He certainly has an amazing attitude.

He said yesterday that he has never thrown a racquet in his life - that his uncle would throw him off the court if he did.

He's unbelievable really.

bokehlicious
03-19-2007, 04:51 PM
gotta love the guy :inlove:

nobama
03-19-2007, 04:56 PM
gotta love the guy :inlove:And the blue clay. ;)

Johnny Groove
03-19-2007, 05:01 PM
And the blue clay. ;)

So now Roddick is a clay specialist :)

rafagirlno1
03-19-2007, 05:02 PM
He certainly has an amazing attitude.

He said yesterday that he has never thrown a racquet in his life - that his uncle would throw him off the court if he did.

He's unbelievable really.

he is perhaps the best sports personality in today's generation of superstars . it's really a proud moment for all of us tht rafa is back at his absolute best just in time befor the clay season begins .:devil:
vamos rafa :worship:

Xristos
03-19-2007, 05:03 PM
Blaze read the pm..

The_Nadal_effect
03-19-2007, 05:06 PM
he is perhaps the best sports personality in today's generation of superstars . it's really a proud moment for all of us tht rafa is back at his absolute best just in time befor the clay season begins .:devil:
vamos rafa :worship:

He has oodles of Charisma. Even his ass-pickin has some charm to the process. Va-mos! It takes special COURAGE to do that in front of 10 million viewers. :p Plus his good habits are to die for... like he doesn't dig his nose in public, no? Lurve Him! :angel:

jdenelle
03-19-2007, 05:14 PM
Go Rafa!!:)

Burrow
03-19-2007, 05:29 PM
he is perhaps the best sports personality in today's generation of superstars . it's really a proud moment for all of us tht rafa is back at his absolute best just in time befor the clay season begins .:devil:
vamos rafa :worship:

best sports personality? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAA

Rafa = Fed Killa
03-19-2007, 05:39 PM
Its great.

Rafa is peaking so the boring Fed's reign of terror is ending.

SPARTAN tennis > ballet tennis

The_Nadal_effect
03-19-2007, 05:41 PM
Spartan tennis! I like the sound of that! I heard our man likes a cold shower in winters.

Rafa = Fed Killa
03-19-2007, 05:47 PM
Spartan tennis! I like the sound of that!

Should stop calling ourselves Rafatards

And call ourselves SPARTANS :D

The_Nadal_effect
03-20-2007, 04:11 PM
Should stop calling ourselves Rafatards

And call ourselves SPARTANS :D

Yes! We'll all be spartans and Rafkullz could be Spartacus! Then, we'll all wage war on our opponents! Hehehe...:devil:

scoobs
03-20-2007, 05:00 PM
"Spartan" tennis? What does that mean, that Rafa plays tennis nude, greased up with the finest olive oil?
That THUD was me JUMPING ON BOARD :devil:

scoobs
03-20-2007, 05:11 PM
:devil:

"Sparta is thought to be the first city to practice athletic nudity, which evolved in parallel with formal pederastic practices." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spartan_pederasty)

Thank you, background in classical languages + Wikipedia! :hearts:
Ahhh the good old days.

scoobs
03-20-2007, 05:16 PM
"The Spartans were the first to eroticize male athletics by introducing nudity, as well as oiling the body during exercise to enhance its beauty, a costly practice which broke with the customary Laconian frugality." :angel:
See? See? I'm just emulating great civilisations of the past. It's not lewd and unbecoming at all - it's honouring history!

sondraj06
03-20-2007, 05:17 PM
We're the Spartans and Fed and his army of supporters are the persians, And anyone who gets in our way outside of the persian empire will be cut down just like the persian were.

History always repeats itself.

aulus
03-20-2007, 05:33 PM
imo, it's a bit bizarre that western ppl glorify and romanticize the spartans.

sparta was a fascist slave empire. they didn't even contribute much of anything good to hellenism. and their army was not invincible.

sondraj06
03-20-2007, 05:41 PM
imo, it's a bit bizarre that western ppl glorify and romanticize the spartans.

sparta was a fascist slave empire. they didn't even contribute much of anything good to hellenism. and their army was not invincible.

well we in the west glorify a lot of things I don't understand, one of them would be the illusion that was a pocahantas and john smith relationship that never was. He hated native Americans but yet we have manage to turn into one of the greatest love story and made numerous movies about it.

Ehhh what can you do

Fumus
03-20-2007, 06:31 PM
I thought we had seen the best of this guy and that he was there for the taking.

Clearly, listening to Roddick this week, so had a few others.

But he was back wasn't he?

No-one really got near him this week.

I think even Roger might have struggled against him this week.

Good to see him back.

Would have lost to him. He was the best player this week, and results showed that.

RonE
03-20-2007, 06:35 PM
We're the Spartans and Fed and his army of supporters are the persians, And anyone who gets in our way outside of the persian empire will be cut down just like the persian were.

History always repeats itself.

So you oil up your body and wrestle in the nude then? :tape:

Metis
03-20-2007, 06:35 PM
Yes! We'll all be spartans and Rafkullz could be Spartacus! Then, we'll all wage war on our opponents! Hehehe...:devil:

:haha:

'Spartacus and the Spartans'. Sounds like those Hollywood movies, dedicated to ...faithfully depict history.


We're the Spartans and Fed and his army of supporters are the persians, And anyone who gets in our way outside of the persian empire will be cut down just like the persian were.

History always repeats itself.


And to all those of you who are talking about Spartan tennis, let me remind you that Leonidas and the 300, although they bravely fought against the Persians, were eventually defeated and killed (OK there was the traitor Efialtis involved too, but still, we don't want that outcome for Rafa too, do we?) :)

Metis
03-20-2007, 06:45 PM
"Spartan" tennis? What does that mean, that Rafa plays tennis nude, greased up with the finest olive oil?

Let's begin a petition to bring back the ancient Greek custom of playing sports wearing just Greek olive oil. That ought to boost the sales of Greek olive oil (which btw is the best and definitely underrented in the international market!). Not to mention an exponential increase in the popularity of sports among women. :devil:

connectolove
03-20-2007, 06:47 PM
"The Spartans were the first to eroticize male athletics by introducing nudity, as well as oiling the body during exercise to enhance its beauty, a costly practice which broke with the customary Laconian frugality." :angel:


I can totally imagine Rafa as a Spartan, all oily and sweaty ...:devil:

connectolove
03-20-2007, 06:48 PM
and I forgot ... playing in the nude as well.

adee-gee
03-20-2007, 07:30 PM
Rafa's level last week wasn't even close to how he was playing March-June last year.

Pfloyd
03-20-2007, 07:33 PM
Rafa's level last week wasn't even close to how he was playing March-June last year.

Adam, he was playing quite fine.

adee-gee
03-20-2007, 07:36 PM
Adam, he was playing quite fine.
Not bad, but not even close to how he played in points last year.

kobulingam
03-20-2007, 07:37 PM
He basically said that guys had been thinking that he could be attacked, but that against him in Indian Wells, there wasn't much he could do.

Especially since Roddick is now borrowing Donald Young's forehand and taking it to events.

Pfloyd
03-20-2007, 07:39 PM
Well in clay he's always awsome.

In Wimbledon he played great, but besides Baghdatis and Agassi, who wasn't at his best, Nadal didn't face too many tough players.

I believe that this performance in Indian Wells was very impressive, par with last years performance....

kobulingam
03-20-2007, 07:42 PM
:haha:

'Spartacus and the Spartans'. Sounds like those Hollywood movies, dedicated to ...faithfully depict history.





And to all those of you who are talking about Spartan tennis, let me remind you that Leonidas and the 300, although they bravely fought against the Persians, were eventually defeated and killed (OK there was the traitor Efialtis involved too, but still, we don't want that outcome for Rafa too, do we?) :)

And there were more non-Spartan greeks in that battle against the Persians than the Spartans. I don't know why those Spartans get all the credit for giving the Persians a rough time before they reached the main cities of Greece.

kobulingam
03-20-2007, 07:43 PM
Not bad, but not even close to how he played in points last year.

Better than last year on HCs. Last year he was ultra defensive on HCs, in IW he was only "just a bit defensive" in most points.
As for clay? We don't know yet.

sondraj06
03-20-2007, 07:48 PM
Better than last year on HCs. Last year he was ultra defensive on HCs, in IW he was only "just a bit defensive" in most points.
As for clay? We don't know yet.

Yeah I have to agree, I think he stepped his game way up from last year, now he's not running back and forth like a dog chasing his tail. He only plays defensive when he really needs to, to get back the control and play more aggressive.

And that what you use defense for. People tend to underestimate the need for a defensive game, but defense and offense is what make a complete game. And as long as rafa uses his defensive game to get him back in the position to be more aggressive and take back control I think he'll do just fine.

adee-gee
03-20-2007, 08:09 PM
Better than last year on HCs. Last year he was ultra defensive on HCs, in IW he was only "just a bit defensive" in most points.
As for clay? We don't know yet.
Disagree.

Dubai :worship: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FHlQDh-PVo the backhand was looking much better than it did last week.

kobulingam
03-20-2007, 08:20 PM
Disagree.

Dubai :worship: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FHlQDh-PVo the backhand was looking much better than it did last week.

One match. And these are hilights (where only a few of them hilighted backhand rallies).

This time last year, almost all of Nadal's serves were returnable (maybe short, but still returnable). Fast forward this year, his serve is much better.

adee-gee
03-20-2007, 08:31 PM
One match. And these are hilights (where only a few of them hilighted backhand rallies).

This time last year, almost all of Nadal's serves were returnable (maybe short, but still returnable). Fast forward this year, his serve is much better.
He played great the whole tournament, I remember it well :)

I agree about the serve, he served very well and has been improved.

sondraj06
03-20-2007, 08:32 PM
Disagree.

Dubai :worship: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FHlQDh-PVo the backhand was looking much better than it did last week.

O.K I never saw that match only bits and pieces. I just don't think when Rafa is firring all cylinders Fed has the game to trouble him. But he did look a lot more solid then.

I just think he needs to get that solid game back with the improvements he's made because remember even with that solid game back then he still couldn't figure out Blake. So I think now he is in a better position to beat those who have games that troubled him, hint the roasters.

And he making far to many ue's for my taste, he never use to make so many errors before.

He'll pull it together in his head, he's a smart kid. With his coaches they'll figure it out.

kobulingam
03-20-2007, 08:41 PM
He played great the whole tournament, I remember it well :)

I agree about the serve, he served very well and has been improved.

And now his forehand is ripping at good pace WHILE not compromising spin.
I remember last year Nadal would flatten out to get good pace. In IW he was hitting balls spinnier than anyone else can imagine and still hitting it with good pace.

Forehand power has to be very high with these shots (translational power + rotational power).

My concern is that Nadal might be peaking too early this year. Can he maintain this play through RG/Wimbledon and come back with a great HC game for USO?

I wish I knew Toni Nadal. I'd tell him to get Rafa to skip Davis Cup!!!!!!

kobulingam
03-20-2007, 08:43 PM
O.K I never saw that match only bits and pieces. I just don't think when Rafa is firring all cylinders Fed has the game to trouble him. But he did look a lot more solid then.

I just think he needs to get that solid game back with the improvements he's made because remember even with that solid game back then he still couldn't figure out Blake. So I think now he is in a better position to beat those who have games that troubled him, hint the roasters.

And he making far to many ue's for my taste, he never use to make so many errors before.

He'll pull it together in his head, he's a smart kid. With his coaches they'll figure it out.

Fed hits with topsin, so when Nadal runs and reaches for a ball it's never too low. Blake, OTOH, not only hits the ball early, but hits it flat. With Nadal's forehand grip, running to a Blake forehand shot and hitting it back with interest is tough.

sondraj06
03-20-2007, 08:46 PM
Fed hits with topsin, so when Nadal runs and reaches for a ball it's never too low. Blake, OTOH, not only hits the ball early, but hits it flat. With Nadal's forehand grip, running to a Blake forehand shot and hitting it back with interest is tough.

So do you think, o.k take Rafa/ Rod match, if rafa played like that against Blake at his best (not Blake now, he kinda sucks now) could he level those issues he has with Blakes game

In other words, could rafa while playing like he did against Rod be in the positions to really hurt Blake

RedFury
03-20-2007, 09:05 PM
This time last year, almost all of Nadal's serves were returnable (maybe short, but still returnable). Fast forward this year, his serve is much better.

Without getting overly optimistic, I think what we saw was the "new" version of Nadal. And by that I mean the combination of all the things he's been diligently working on for close to a year now. You noticed the serve, and I agree, it is deeper, flatter and faster now -- needs work on the second serve still. I noticed the fact that he's slimmer -- by some 5kg by some accounts -- which will help lessen the burden he places on his legs and feet. I also noticed he's ending points much quicker. Not to say he refuses to rally, but he's clearly being much more aggressive, playing closer to the baseline and trying to rip his forehand as soon as he can. IOW, not just a wall anymore. Again, that helps him conserve energy (along with the weight loss) which is critical the deeper you get into the draw. Lastly, while he'll never become a S&Ver, he's quite competent at net...likely the one area where I'd like to see him do more of.

One last thing, I've always thought his backhand was vastly underated and although it is clearly the weaker of his two wings -- having, as he does, one of the best FH in tennis -- I think his cross-court passes off of it, are as good as they come. Improve the consistency of it a bit mayhaps.

Overall, hard to rate his (changed) game on the basis of one tourney where it all finally clicked. But I very much like the direction he is going with it. An improved version of Rafa is not exactly good news for the rest of the Tour...

kobulingam
03-20-2007, 09:34 PM
So do you think, o.k take Rafa/ Rod match, if rafa played like that against Blake at his best (not Blake now, he kinda sucks now) could he level those issues he has with Blakes game

In other words, could rafa while playing like he did against Rod be in the positions to really hurt Blake


I don't know. When Blake is really on, anyone will find it hard to beat him on a fast hard court. I think the Rafa that beat Roddick and the "ON" Blake would have had a tough tough match. Winner? Je ne sais pas.

EDIT:
As for an in-form Federer, I don't think he could have beaten that Rafa that played Roddick (putting the surface into consideration).

Now if we had a ridiculously-in-form Federer, it would be a close match.

kobulingam
03-20-2007, 09:37 PM
Without getting overly optimistic, I think what we saw was the "new" version of Nadal. And by that I mean the combination of all the things he's been diligently working on for close to a year now. You noticed the serve, and I agree, it is deeper, flatter and faster now -- needs work on the second serve still. I noticed the fact that he's slimmer -- by some 5kg by some accounts -- which will help lessen the burden he places on his legs and feet. I also noticed he's ending points much quicker. Not to say he refuses to rally, but he's clearly being much more aggressive, playing closer to the baseline and trying to rip his forehand as soon as he can. IOW, not just a wall anymore. Again, that helps him conserve energy (along with the weight loss) which is critical the deeper you get into the draw. Lastly, while he'll never become a S&Ver, he's quite competent at net...likely the one area where I'd like to see him do more of.

One last thing, I've always thought his backhand was vastly underated and although it is clearly the weaker of his two wings -- having, as he does, one of the best FH in tennis -- I think his cross-court passes off of it, are as good as they come. Improve the consistency of it a bit mayhaps.

Overall, hard to rate his (changed) game on the basis of one tourney where it all finally clicked. But I very much like the direction he is going with it. An improved version of Rafa is not exactly good news for the rest of the Tour...

It's good news for "THE" ATP tour. Bad news for players when they face him :) .

GlennMirnyi
03-21-2007, 12:10 AM
He certainly has an amazing attitude.

He said yesterday that he has never thrown a racquet in his life - that his uncle would throw him off the court if he did.

He's unbelievable really.

A great attitude, for sure: call other players names and whines about the Hawk-Eye. Then never gives credit to players that beat him, he's always injured... :lol:

he is perhaps the best sports personality in today's generation of superstars . it's really a proud moment for all of us tht rafa is back at his absolute best just in time befor the clay season begins .:devil:
vamos rafa :worship:

best sports personality? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAA


HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAH AHA

:haha: :haha:


Should stop calling ourselves Rafatards

And call ourselves SPARTANS :D

We call you coward and your friends fanboys.

sondraj06
03-21-2007, 12:30 AM
A great attitude, for sure: call other players names and whines about the Hawk-Eye. Then never gives credit to players that beat him, he's always injured... :lol:


We call you coward and your friends fanboys.


I don't' know what player you are watching but it is obvious that you are begging for a beat down of historical proportions, don't worry Glenn the spartan army provide you the beat down you want so badly, all in due time.

GlennMirnyi
03-21-2007, 12:47 AM
I don't' know what player you are watching but it is obvious that you are begging for a beat down of historical proportions, don't worry Glenn the spartan army provide you the beat down you want so badly, all in due time.

Who guarantees you that I'm not descendent of Spartans? I may find this extremely offensive that you're using my ancestry for your stupid fanboyism.

scoobs
03-21-2007, 12:48 AM
Until Rafa plays naked and oiled up, you cannot call it Spartan tennis. Deal.

sondraj06
03-21-2007, 12:57 AM
Who guarantees you that I'm not descendent of Spartans? I may find this extremely offensive that you're using my ancestry for your stupid fanboyism.

Well then be offended sparta boy

scoobs
03-21-2007, 12:58 AM
Might as well call it Victorian tennis, the amount he wears. Not even a flash of upper thigh these days.

GlennMirnyi
03-21-2007, 01:04 AM
Well then be offended then sparta boy

I'll report your posts to the mods. :p :dance:

Metis
03-21-2007, 01:08 AM
Who guarantees you that I'm not descendent of Spartans? I may find this extremely offensive that you're using my ancestry for your stupid fanboyism.

Well, if you are a descendant of Spartans, you sure haven't inherited their laconic speech qualities (to MTF's dismay I might add). :lol:

atheneglaukopis
03-21-2007, 01:10 AM
Well, if you are a descendant of Spartans, you sure haven't inherited their laconic speech qualities (to MTF's dismay I might add). :lol:Gah! Can't rep you. :(

So did the Spartans let the women watch the men's athletics, or did they keep them segregated? I have a vested interest in this question :angel:, and while I devoted far too much of my classics degree to Greek homoeroticism, I admit to very sketchy knowledge on athletics in general--and women ;).

GlennMirnyi
03-21-2007, 01:11 AM
Well, if you are a descendant of Spartans, you sure haven't inherited their laconic speech qualities (to MTF's dismay I might add). :lol:

That's the Brazilian part kicking in. :p

GlennMirnyi
03-21-2007, 01:11 AM
Spartans were very patriarchal.

Metis
03-21-2007, 01:14 AM
Until Rafa plays naked and oiled up, you cannot call it Spartan tennis. Deal.

Rafa's big biceps would put a lot of spin on the old discus. :)

Might as well call it Victorian tennis, the amount he wears. Not even a flash of upper thigh these days.

In Rafa's case, we can't even ogle the odd knee or two! :(

:haha:

Now, now boys, let's not forget the occasional shirt changes during the changeovers. Hopefully they will be more frequent during the clay season. And we can always look forward to an on court ...gluteal massage by the tournament physio. :D

refero*fervens
03-21-2007, 01:15 AM
Epameinondas was a talented dancer...:angel:

Metis
03-21-2007, 01:27 AM
Gah! Can't rep you. :(

So did the Spartans let the women watch the men's athletics, or did they keep them segregated? I have a vested interest in this question :angel:, and while I devoted far too much of my classics degree to Greek homoeroticism, I admit to very sketchy knowledge on athletics in general--and women ;).

As far as I know women were not allowed :(. In the men's Olympics only men were allowed in the audience and if women were caught they would be punished with death (god knows what REALLY was going on in there :lol: ). There was one woman who dressed up as a man and sneaked in the audience to watch her sons compete. They found her, but she was not punished because her 3 sons were all great champions.

MisterQ
03-21-2007, 02:42 AM
Might as well call it Victorian tennis, the amount he wears. Not even a flash of upper thigh these days.

Wait until you see the new Nike Turbocorset! :rocker2:

http://www.au-fil-du-temps.net/MI/1898/MI13fev189815.jpg

Metis
03-21-2007, 02:46 AM
Wait until you see the new Nike Turbocorset! :rocker2:



:lol:

Looks nice, though I doubt Rafa will exchange his bandana for that silly looking hat.

atheneglaukopis
03-21-2007, 02:50 AM
As far as I know women were not allowed :(. In the men's Olympics only men were allowed in the audience and if women were caught they would be punished with death.That's what I thought, but I didn't learn it in college, so I wanted to check it. The amount of popular "knowledge" out there is insane.

Okay, ultimatum time: women get to watch the New Spartan Olympics, or there will BE no New Spartan Olympics! :fiery: :armed:

Merton
03-21-2007, 03:56 AM
The noise coming from the "300" movie obscures the fact that it was the Athenians that landed the decisive blow against the Persians, crushing them in the naval battle of Salamina. I wonder what Athenian tennis would look like.

atheneglaukopis
03-21-2007, 04:07 AM
As far as I know women were not allowed :(. In the men's Olympics only men were allowed in the audience and if women were caught they would be punished with death (god knows what REALLY was going on in there :lol: ). There was one woman who dressed up as a man and sneaked in the audience to watch her sons compete. They found her, but she was not punished because her 3 sons were all great champions.
I just now remembered that I own the Oxford Classical Dictionary, and I find: "During the men's athletics, married women were forbidden to watch, but virgin girls were permitted, a custom perhaps derived from a conception of the games as an occasion for girls to meet future husbands." :banana: :lol:
The noise coming from the "300" movie obscures the fact that it was the Athenians that landed the decisive blow against the Persians, crushing them in the naval battle of Salamina. I wonder what Athenian tennis would look like.As per the Wasps, there would be endless arguing and debate and litigation...not unlike a Safin match!

Rafa = Fed Killa
03-21-2007, 04:15 AM
The Athenians were "boy lovers" according to the Spartans.

Metis
03-21-2007, 04:20 AM
I just now remembered that I own the Oxford Classical Dictionary, and I find: "During the men's athletics, married women were forbidden to watch, but virgin girls were permitted, a custom perhaps derived from a conception of the games as an occasion for girls to meet future husbands." :banana: :lol:


That sounds more like it! That way you could ...size up all the potential candidates and make an educated decision. :sigh: Ahh... the ancient Greeks, they had it all figured out. If only we could follow their example. :lol:

Rafa = Fed Killa
03-21-2007, 04:22 AM
Of course non virgin women were not allowed to watch.

I wouldn't want some 40 year old ugly lady to look at me. Hot female virgins are cool, but ugly old ladies (MTF posters) can stay away.

Merton
03-21-2007, 04:22 AM
The Athenians would say the same about the Spartans. The modern interpretation of the ancient sources is questionable, as there is not any good translation for the Greek word eros.

Back to the topic, Athenians>>> Spartans. Their method was based on naval supremacy, and they forced the surrender of the Spartan garrison in Sphakteria during the 30-year war. The Spartans were cut off from food supplies and surrounded so they just surrendered.

Merton
03-21-2007, 04:23 AM
Of course, Guccione must be a practitioner of Athenian tennis :lol:

Metis
03-21-2007, 04:26 AM
The Athenians were "boy lovers" according to the Spartans.


Apparently, all ancient Greeks did that and probably not only the Greeks (the others just hadn't developed the means yet to document it :p ), although I don't remember being taught anything like that in my highschool years. :lol:

atheneglaukopis
03-21-2007, 04:28 AM
Have we mentioned the Sacred Band of Thebes yet?

sondraj06
03-21-2007, 04:28 AM
The Athenians would say the same about the Spartans. The modern interpretation of the ancient sources is questionable, as there is not any good translation for the Greek word eros.

Back to the topic, Athenians>>> Spartans. Their method was based on naval supremacy, and they forced the surrender of the Spartan garrison in Sphakteria during the 30-year war. The Spartans were cut off from food supplies and surrounded so they just surrendered.

are you referring to the Peloponnesian Wars?

Merton
03-21-2007, 04:31 AM
Yes

GlennMirnyi
03-21-2007, 04:32 AM
The noise coming from the "300" movie obscures the fact that it was the Athenians that landed the decisive blow against the Persians, crushing them in the naval battle of Salamina. I wonder what Athenian tennis would look like.

Pure finesse, sheer class.

GlennMirnyi
03-21-2007, 04:33 AM
The Athenians would say the same about the Spartans. The modern interpretation of the ancient sources is questionable, as there is not any good translation for the Greek word eros.

Back to the topic, Athenians>>> Spartans. Their method was based on naval supremacy, and they forced the surrender of the Spartan garrison in Sphakteria during the 30-year war. The Spartans were cut off from food supplies and surrounded so they just surrendered.

Yeah, but then that expedition rendered them defenseless afterwards. :p

Rafa = Fed Killa
03-21-2007, 04:34 AM
I believe the spartans won the war against the athenians.

sondraj06
03-21-2007, 04:35 AM
Yes

well then I'm confused because it was Athens not sparta that surrendered

refero*fervens
03-21-2007, 04:38 AM
Have we mentioned the Sacred Band of Thebes yet?

No, if you bring this and Leuctra into it it could get - dirty :aplot:

And the Spartans did surrender to the Athenians at Spacteria, which quieted them down for a bit - who would have thought, Spartans surrendering...

atheneglaukopis
03-21-2007, 04:39 AM
well then I'm confused because it was Athens not sparta that surrenderedI think he's talking about the Peace of Nicias, while you're thinking of the fall of the Long Walls.

Merton
03-21-2007, 04:40 AM
well then I'm confused because it was Athens not sparta that surrendered

Yeah, but then that expedition rendered them defenseless afterwards. :p

Well, the Peloponessian war had two phases, the first actually ended with an Athenian victory after the surrender of the Spartans at Sphakteria. However, Athens then committed a monumental strategic mistake by launching an expedition against Sicily. That ended as a total disaster with the result that the Spartans and their allies started again the war and this time they ultimately defeated Athens decisively.

TennisLurker
03-21-2007, 04:40 AM
The persians had a fair ammount of nice beautiful loving eunuchs themselves, greeks were not alone at that (butsecks)

Rafa = Fed Killa
03-21-2007, 04:41 AM
"Its defeat of rival power Athens in the Peloponnesian war asserted Spartan hegemony over Ancient Greece,[1][2] and by overpowering both the Athenian and Persian Empires, Sparta regarded itself as the natural protector of Greece."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sparta

Spartans did beat the Athenians. :D

Merton
03-21-2007, 04:41 AM
Glenn, you missed my point about Guccione playing Athenian tennis :haha:

atheneglaukopis
03-21-2007, 04:42 AM
Well, the Peloponessian war had two phases, the first actually ended with an Athenian victory after the surrender of the Spartans at Sphakteria. However, Athens then committed a monumental strategic mistake by launching an expedition against Sicily. That ended as a total disaster with the result that the Spartans and their allies started again the war and this time they ultimately defeated Athens decisively.I love this thread. :yeah: :rolls: (:secret: It's "Peloponnesian".)

sondraj06
03-21-2007, 04:42 AM
Well, the Peloponessian war had two phases, the first actually ended with an Athenian victory after the surrender of the Spartans at Sphakteria. However, Athens then committed a monumental strategic mistake by launching an expedition against Sicily. That ended as a total disaster with the result that the Spartans and their allies started again the war and this time they ultimately defeated Athens decisively.

Got ya, got ya :)

Merton
03-21-2007, 04:43 AM
I love this thread. :yeah: :rolls: (:secret: It's "Peloponnesian".)

:Hiding in shame for getting corrected at a Greek word:

GlennMirnyi
03-21-2007, 04:45 AM
Well, the Peloponessian war had two phases, the first actually ended with an Athenian victory after the surrender of the Spartans at Sphakteria. However, Athens then committed a monumental strategic mistake by launching an expedition against Sicily. That ended as a total disaster with the result that the Spartans and their allies started again the war and this time they ultimately defeated Athens decisively.

See, I love history.

By the way, the winners of Marathon weren't Athenians and Plataeans?

TennisLurker
03-21-2007, 04:46 AM
According to wiki the parents of Sampras were greek immigrants from Sparta.

Merton
03-21-2007, 04:49 AM
See, I love history.

By the way, the winners of Marathon weren't Athenians and Plataeans?

Yes, the Athenian general Miltiadis applied the strategic idea of attacking from the wings and holding the center, something that was imitated to perfection from Hannibal, when he crushed the Romans at the battle of Cannae.

Metis
03-21-2007, 04:53 AM
Yep. :) The Japanese did it too in feudal times, and there's extensive literature out there about it. The similarities and differences between the Japanese and Greek models of male-male relationships are quite interesting. :D

Great! Everyone was homosexual or bisexual. Ancient times were one big orgy. :lol: One wonders how they ever had time for anything else. (At least they were open-minded.)

Seriously though, I tend to agree with what Merton wrote earlier, that the interpretation of ancient Greek sources is a bit vague on that matter...

atheneglaukopis
03-21-2007, 05:08 AM
Great! Everyone was homosexual or bisexual. Ancient times were one big orgy. :lol: One wonders how they ever had time for anything else. (At least they were open-minded.)

Seriously though, I tend to agree with what Merton wrote earlier, that the interpretation of ancient Greek sources is a bit vague on that matter...Well, the Greek sources are not only vague but blatantly contradict each other--no two authors seemed to be able to agree on anything.

oz_boz
03-21-2007, 11:37 AM
Another slashed thread :haha:

The Athenians were "boy lovers" according to the Spartans.

Says Jetboy lover #1. :lol:

As for the title subject: Nadal is looking as good as he did in Dubai last year. He should go deep in Miami if he keeps focused and lucky enough to avoid his usual nemeses, at least I don't see him losing another match Moya style.

kandygram
03-21-2007, 01:23 PM
Man, I thought I could go off topic. You folks ran that train right off the tracks! Turned it into a Greek history and fashion conversation. :speakles:

As for Nadal, I would hope he's moving forward. IW gave him his confidence back and I want to see him play opponents that give him fits with this renewed attitude. Destroy them like you destroyed that ball in the Djokovic match!:devil:

The_Nadal_effect
03-21-2007, 03:25 PM
We're the Spartans and Fed and his army of supporters are the persians, And anyone who gets in our way outside of the persian empire will be cut down just like the persian were.

History always repeats itself.

Yes, I like the sound of that! Rafa Lovers would be the Spartans, who will eventually win the war. Fed-tards would be the Persians who might not win the war...As for Baghdatis, he shall remain Greek! Now all we need is a Helen of Troy. Who might that be?

The_Nadal_effect
03-21-2007, 03:54 PM
Might as well call it Victorian tennis, the amount he wears. Not even a flash of upper thigh these days.

Exposing anything above Rafa's shinbones would be sacrilege:eek: . It might ruin his form. I'm glad he made amends in his outfit after the US Open 2006. It was the knee-exposure that cost him his loss of form and giving in to Younzhy.

atheneglaukopis
03-21-2007, 07:08 PM
Man, I thought I could go off topic. You folks ran that train right off the tracks! Turned it into a Greek history and fashion conversation. :speakles:You sound surprised. :shrug: :angel:


Yes, I like the sound of that! Rafa Lovers would be the Spartans, who will eventually win the war. Fed-tards would be the Persians who might not win the war...As for Baghdatis, he shall remain Greek! Now all we need is a Helen of Troy. Who might that be?Feli!

Kitty de Sade
03-21-2007, 10:01 PM
You sound surprised. :shrug: :angel:


Feli!

Good call- so pretty. :p

The_Nadal_effect
03-22-2007, 09:37 AM
Can anyone tell me the total number of hard court tourneys Rafa has won till date? Please enlighten.

refero*fervens
03-22-2007, 09:56 AM
Can anyone tell me the total number of hard court tourneys Rafa has won till date? Please enlighten.

5 if you count Madrid, otherwise four based on this:

http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=4414

A thread which will no doubt be useful in the future! :D

The_Nadal_effect
03-22-2007, 05:01 PM
Thanks again Ref. That thread IS great reference!