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James Blake's Missed Chance?

johnemms2003
03-19-2007, 12:11 PM
Am I the only one who thinks that James Blake missed a big chance to win IW 2007? I mean Federer was out and there was really nobody James couldn't beat in his normal day but he lost to Beneteau. He could've wiped the court with Nadal again! Instead we get Djokovic who couldn't win points for like 3/4 of a set

John
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Burrow
03-19-2007, 12:14 PM
I think Blake could have won Indian Wells, he did miss a big chance.

Conita
03-19-2007, 12:19 PM
then again you can use the same argument with others
ie hass, hewitt, roddick, gonzalez, etc etc

johnemms2003
03-19-2007, 12:26 PM
No you can't. They don't own Nadal like Blake does. Hewitt could not beat this Nadal, neither Haas. Gonzo lost to Haas so that's another story.

John
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Allstar
03-19-2007, 12:33 PM
Completely agree. The only player that you would have fancied on their day against him after the Federer loss was Gonzalez who had a tough Haas and then Davydenko/Murray match to contend with at the time.

Shame he couldnt pull it together, bit chance missed

Conita
03-19-2007, 12:36 PM
yeah but check the record of james vs gonzo, hewitt & roddick
is
3-4
1-7
2-6

and Gonzo's record with nadal is 3-1, hewitt 4-1, and roddick 1-2 so not big difference,
the point i was trying to make was that any of these guys had a fair shot just as much as james.

johnemms2003
03-19-2007, 12:41 PM
I see what you are saying. But what I am saying is based on this draw which pitt Gonzo against Haas and Roddick against Nadal, and knowing that Hewitt and Federer lost in the first round, Blake should've won this thing. I mean he should beat people like Moya, Canas, and he is 3-0 against Nadal. All other people have lost to Nadal at least once. Blake has beaten him even when he was freaking 4-0 down in the second set of masters. :)

John
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Action Jackson
03-19-2007, 12:43 PM
James can't get Mr.Disney to change results in TMS event, yet.

Stensland
03-19-2007, 12:44 PM
No you can't. They don't own Nadal like Blake does. Hewitt could not beat this Nadal, neither Haas. Gonzo lost to Haas so that's another story.

John
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like conita said a post above me: blake's got a pretty bad record against most of the guys in the draw. i don't think he would've gone all the way to the final in the first place. and beating nadal in his (blake's) actual shape is another thing. he's not really that dominating anymore as he was last year, making loads of unforced errors and sometimes not seeming really focussed. he should've won a masters last year, these days there's no way he will get a title in north america.

well, if he's lucky enough he may be able to get one at paris or madrid at the end of year, given that nadal, federer and many others probably won't be around. clay's pretty much ruled out anyways.

Conita
03-19-2007, 12:45 PM
yeah i see what you mean, it is true
to be honest i didn't mind who won as long as it wasn't Federer for a change lol :P

johnemms2003
03-19-2007, 12:52 PM
He wasn't going to play all those guys he has a bad result against. He was gonna play Djokovic and then an Injured Murray and then Nadal. Come on guys :)

John
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Burrow
03-19-2007, 12:52 PM
Why are you calling this guy mr disney

Stensland
03-19-2007, 12:54 PM
He wasn't going to play all those guys he has a bad result against. He was gonna play Djokovic and then an Injured Murray and then Nadal. Come on guys :)

John
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gotta say that i didn't have the draw in mind. you got a point there, that's true. but on the other hand: what about blake himself? sure, he'd have been a contender in 06, but 07? don't know. he hasn't been stunning so far, to say the least.

johnemms2003
03-19-2007, 01:01 PM
I think Blake has not gotten over the fact that he had a couple of set points against Gonzo in the first and was a break up serving for the second set. and lost the third in tie-break. I think Blake feels that maybe he doesn't belong after all. Maybe reaching quarters is all he is capable of. His problem is mental and not his game. Sure, he is not going to beat Federer anytime soon, but against everybody else, it's fair game if he is in top form. Let's not forget he got to the final of Tennis Masters Cup by beating Nadal and Davydenko and Nalbandian. But, I agree, he has fallen off the pace and another bad result in Miami and he could be out of top 10.

John
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Stensland
03-19-2007, 01:08 PM
I think Blake has not gotten over the fact that he had a couple of set points against Gonzo in the first and was a break up serving for the second set. and lost the third in tie-break. I think Blake feels that maybe he doesn't belong after all. Maybe reaching quarters is all he is capable of. His problem is mental and not his game. Sure, he is not going to beat Federer anytime soon, but against everybody else, it's fair game if he is in top form. Let's not forget he got to the final of Tennis Masters Cup by beating Nadal and Davydenko and Nalbandian. But, I agree, he has fallen off the pace and another bad result in Miami and he could be out of top 10.

John
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yeah, the blake at masters cup, that's the blake i'm missing. these days i get the feeling that he slowly returns to the "old", top twenty blake: hammering forehands with at least 30 % going wide, unstable backhand and so on...

whatever the draw in miami will be like for him: i just can't see him going past the quarters. :rolleyes:

vamosnadal
03-19-2007, 01:36 PM
I think with the some of the form Nadal showed this week he would have beaten Blake for the first time. Don't forget in Shanghai, Nadal only just lost the first set against James and threw away the second after being up 5-1. I'm convinced Rafa will beat Blake at some point this year - maybe even next week in Miami.

johnemms2003
03-19-2007, 01:42 PM
Dream on Buddy :) Nadal can't beat Anti-Nadal. That would throw this universe out of balance

Pea
03-19-2007, 02:21 PM
I think he's fine with his hole in one.

Kitty de Sade
03-19-2007, 02:28 PM
Considering the final was best of three, yes, he did miss his chance.

:yeah:

johnemms2003
03-19-2007, 02:30 PM
Well, Blake has beaten Nadal in best of 5 also. I think once in straights, the other in 4 sets at the U.S. Open.

John
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Renaud
03-19-2007, 02:52 PM
Yes right, Berdych and Youznhy missed their chance.

Dougie
03-19-2007, 02:53 PM
Am I the only one who thinks that James Blake missed a big chance to win IW 2007? I mean Federer was out and there was really nobody James couldn't beat in his normal day but he lost to Beneteau. He could've wiped the court with Nadal again! Instead we get Djokovic who couldn't win points for like 3/4 of a set

John
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I don´t think he missed a chance. There are a lot of players he can´t seem to beat in the final rounds. And he certainly wouldn´t have wiped the court with Nadal..

nicole_s
03-19-2007, 02:56 PM
yeah,blake had a really good draw and he missed his big chance for at least final

GlennMirnyi
03-19-2007, 03:01 PM
Of course, he'd just expand the bitchdom against the moonballer. The thing is: everytime Blake has a good chance, that gets on his head and he chokes.

tangerine_dream
03-19-2007, 03:02 PM
James can't get Mr.Disney to change results in TMS event, yet.
Ooh, another stale Mr Disney joke, you funny. http://www.clanimperium.com.ar/foro/images/smilies/rotfl.gif

Merton
03-19-2007, 03:07 PM
If the Athenians did not launch the Sicilian expedition they would not have lost the Peloponnesian war.
If Marcus Aurelieus did not name Commodus as his successor the Roman umpire might still be in existence.
If Napoleon won in Waterloo the European history would have been different.
We will never learn how events would unfold in these hypotheticals:sad:

RickDaStick
03-19-2007, 03:16 PM
Blake is just not that good.

my0118
03-19-2007, 03:47 PM
Am I the only one who thinks that James Blake missed a big chance to win IW 2007? I mean Federer was out and there was really nobody James couldn't beat in his normal day but he lost to Beneteau. He could've wiped the court with Nadal again! Instead we get Djokovic who couldn't win points for like 3/4 of a set

John
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Technically, yes. But not that I mean his missed chance was to win IW. I mean he missed his chance to lose against Florent Serra.

IFoughtThe
03-19-2007, 04:18 PM
To me, he has more to worry about than just a missed chance.

He looked totally shot for confidence.

If you look at his year, it hasn't really happened for him.

I think he might drop like a stone in the rankings this year.

Shame as he seems like a great guy, and a fun player to watch.

danton
03-19-2007, 04:44 PM
I thought James had quite a negative record against top players. The highest ranked player he has beaten so far this year is 41 - Moya. So he hasn't been stretched this year, the top players he has played are Berdych and Gonzalez, that's it! Given his talent it was a missed opportunity but given his form it and the levels of matches he has played he was unlikely he was going to do that well.

gogogirl
03-19-2007, 06:05 PM
Hey All,

Good thought provoking thread - and it really could fit most toppers and other players at one time or another. After all - Tommy Haas seemed to be the most in form player so far this year - yet look how he couldn't hit the sitting volleys he over hit against Murray, and/or how he was spraying balls. For the most part - he has been in tip top shape this year - and in Memphis he didn't face a break point all tourney. Then he plays Murray in the quarters and his strengths go awry. The same could be said for Blake, but only as it pertains to his previous match at IW. He didn't face a break point in that 'un.

I still say - there are always factors to consider when a player loses.

1. Player 1 got out played by player 2 - period.
2. Player 1 played great but missed winning by a few key points.
3. Player 1 played ok - but missed on all of the big points.
4. Player 1 sucked period because player 1 couldn't keep the ball in play and made simple (Martina called them stupid) mistakes.

James was winning against Malisse in Del Ray - but then the rains came - and the next day - his level dropped a tee bit and he lost his way. Malisse didn't have a plane to catch - so he was more concentrated and raised his level. Tommy lost in that tourney - so he didn't defend his title.

James had chances against Gonzo and served for the first set at the AO - but he couldn't convert. There - he missed more than he hit and when it counted. His level was at the #3 above - IMO.

Again - there are so many factors to consider as it pertains to explaining why someone's form/level drops off. Tommy was serving like a mad man all year - but he couldn't seem to get a first serve in in the Murray match. Could it be he was pressing, going for too much and some more stuff? Yes! For some reasons - players will feel a little more pressure during some of their matches - and thus they over hit and what not. He too had his chances - but Andy is like a bulldog out there.

I won't say that James would have beaten Novak if he had won his third round match. Novak has been one of the other top in form players so far this year. Yet - James might have been on if they'd have played - and he might have won it. It is all about conjecture and suppositions in these kind of cases. I mean then - if James had of beaten Novak - would he have beaten Andy M.? And if Andy hadn't fallen - would he have beaten Novak? It really is a good way to wonder about the game and the players today because of the depth in the league and because of the differing factors that could contribute and at times do attribute to a win or a loss.

As far as Rafa is concerned - I forgot to give him a chance and it really was my bad. By the time he made it to the quarters - I remembered again that he made it to the semis last year - and I said to meself - we can never count out Rafa. In my mind it really was a toss-up between he and Andy, because Andy had been looking good up until their match - but Rafa - took it to him. He really played all of his matches skillfully and wonderfully - so good on him.

I can't wait until the matches start in Miami.

On a side note or two. Novak reminds me of James a little. All Rafa was missing w/his outfit was an eye patch. But.....we must remember - James wore the bandana in his tribute to Agassi at last year's NY Open. For the first time in a long time - no Russian made the quarters.

"CONGRATS - RAFA" "YOU JUST GO ON W/YOUR BAD SELF"

"GET ON AND STAY ON IN MIAMI - J.B."

"GET YOUR MOJO WORKING AGAIN - ANDY"

"LOOK-OUT NOW - ROGER"

nobama
03-19-2007, 06:10 PM
You could have the same thread about Roddick. With Fed out it was his chance to win a big title again and he totally crapped his pants against Nadal.

+alonso
03-19-2007, 06:10 PM
Like someone said It was a missed chance for most of the top players except Fed who lost earlier

It was for Haas/González/Roddick! :shrug:

ezekiel
03-19-2007, 09:53 PM
Nole was oh so close but maybe next time :p

Jlee
03-19-2007, 09:57 PM
You could say that about any player. But of course he did.

sondraj06
03-19-2007, 10:08 PM
Oh the one time Blake does lose to Rafa it'll be because he choked.

I can't wait for Rafa to beat Blake so these arguments can lose some of their relevance.

supertommyhaas
03-19-2007, 10:27 PM
The only thing James will be missing out on is a top 10 Finish!!!! He will be out of thier soon enough!!!