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BIG MATCH /finals `kings`(win%): Nadal [79%], Federer [73%]...

CmonAussie
03-18-2007, 11:15 PM
****


>>>
NADAL just doesn`t like to lose finals does he:angel: :angel: :devil: :worship:

SINGLES CAREER TITLES (36): 2004--Sopot;
2005--Acapulco, ATP Masters Series Canada, ATP Masters Series Madrid, ATP Masters Series Monte Carlo, ATP Masters Series Rome, Barcelona, Bastad, Beijing, Costa Do Sauipe, Roland Garros, Stuttgart;
2006--ATP Masters Series Monte Carlo, ATP Masters Series Rome, Barcelona, Dubai, Roland Garros;
2007--ATP Masters Series Indian Wells, ATP Masters Series Monte Carlo, Barcelona, ATP Masters Series Rome, Roland Garros, Stuttgart; 2008--ATP Masters Series Monte Carlo, Barcelona, ATP Masters Series Hamburg, Roland Garros, Queens/London, Wimbledon, ATP Masters Series Canada, Beijing Olympics; 2009--Australian Open, ATP Masters Series Indian Wells, ATP Masters Series Monte Carlo, Barcelona, ATP Masters Series Rome


FINALIST (9): 2004--Auckland; 2005--ATP Masters Series Miami; 2006--Wimbledon; 2007--ATP Masters Series Hamburg, Wimbledon, ATP Masters Series Paris; 2008--Chennai; 2008--ATP Masters Series Miami; 2009--Rotterdam, ATP Masters Series Madrid

~~~36 won & 10 lost = 79% :eek: :cool:




#@@#
........Can Nadal maintain such an impressive winning percentage in finals:confused:
Is Rafa destined to be the greatest big match player [ever]:confused:



FED`s record is pretty good too:eek: :worship: :cool:

SINGLES CAREER TITLES (58): 2001--Milan; 2002--Hamburg TMS, Sydney, Vienna; 2003--Dubai, Halle, Marseille, Munich, Tennis Masters Cup, Vienna, Wimbledon; 2004--Australian Open, Bangkok, Canada AMS, Dubai, Gstaad, Halle, Hamburg AMS, Indian Wells AMS, Tennis Masters Cup, US Open, Wimbledon; 2005--ATP Masters Series Cincinnati, ATP Masters Series Hamburg, ATP Masters Series Indian Wells, ATP Masters Series Miami, Bangkok, Doha, Dubai, Halle, Rotterdam, US Open, Wimbledon; 2006--ATP Masters Series Canada, ATP Masters Series Indian Wells, ATP Masters Series Madrid, ATP Masters Series Miami, Australian Open, Basel, Doha, Halle, Tennis Masters Cup, Tokyo, US Open, Wimbledon; 2007--Australian Open, Dubai, ATP Masters Series Hamburg, Wimbledon, ATP Masters Series Cincinatti, US Open, Basel, Tennis Masters Cup; 2008--Estoril, Halle, US Open, Basel; 2009--ATP Masters Series Madrid

FINALIST (22): 2000--Basel, Marseille; 2001--Basel, Rotterdam; 2002--Miami TMS, Milan; 2003--Gstaad, Rome TMS; 2005--Tennis Masters Cup; 2006--ATP Masters Series Monte Carlo, ATP Masters Series Rome, Dubai, Roland Garros; 2007--ATP Masters Series Monte Carlo, Roland Garros, ATP Masters Series Canada, ATP Masters Series Madrid; 2008--ATP Masters Series Monte Carlo, ATP Masters Series Hamburg, Roland Garros, Wimbledon; 2009--Australian Open


~~58 won & 22 lost = 73%




>>>
FED vs RAFA finals::


2009 ATP Masters Series Madrid
Spain Clay F Federer 6-4 6-4

2009 Australian Open
Australia Hard F Nadal 7-5 3-6 7-6(3) 3-6 6-2

2008 Wimbledon
Great Britain Grass F Nadal 6-4 6-4 6-7(5) 6-7(8) 9-7

2008 Roland Garros
France Clay F Nadal 6-1 6-3 6-0

2008 ATP Masters Series Hamburg
Germany Clay F Nadal 7-5 6-7(3) 6-3

2008 ATP Masters Series Monte Carlo
Monaco Clay F Nadal 7-5 7-5

2007 Wimbledon
Great Britain Grass F Federer 7-6(7) 4-6 7-6(3) 2-6 6-2

2007 Roland Garros
France Clay F Nadal 6-3 4-6 6-3 6-4

2007 ATP Masters Series Hamburg
Germany Clay F Federer 2-6 6-2 6-0

2007 ATP Masters Series Monte Carlo
Monaco Clay F Nadal 6-4 6-4

2006 Wimbledon
England Grass F Federer 6-0 7-6(5) 6-7(2) 6-3

2006 Roland Garros
France Clay F Nadal 1-6 6-1 6-4 7-6(4)

2006 ATP Masters Series Rome
Italy Clay F Nadal 6-7(0) 7-6(5) 6-4 2-6 7-6(5)

2006 ATP Masters Series Monte Carlo
Monaco Clay F Nadal 6-2 6-7(2) 6-3 7-6(5)

2006 Dubai
U.A.E. Hard F Nadal 2-6 6-4 6-4

2005 ATP Masters Series Miami
FL, U.S.A. Hard F Federer 2-6 6-7(4) 7-6(5) 6-3 6-1

Sean.J.S.
03-18-2007, 11:16 PM
Impressive. :yeah:

sondraj06
03-18-2007, 11:17 PM
Rafa unlike a lot of players has great control over his nerves.

He sees the finish line and goes for it, other people see the finish line and get scared of it, choke and stumble.

nkhera1
03-18-2007, 11:17 PM
What's Federer's?

All_Slam_Andre
03-18-2007, 11:27 PM
Federer is 47-13 in finals, which is also pretty damn impressive.

DDrago2
03-18-2007, 11:50 PM
Nadal's record is due to small number of finals he played and due to the fact that unlike most of the players he didn't have to pass through period of maturing

Still Federer's success in finals is far more impressive in this moment. CmonAussie must be aware of that himself and his post comes to me as somewhat biased

A_Skywalker
03-19-2007, 12:23 AM
Nadal's record is due to small number of finals he played and due to the fact that unlike most of the players he didn't have to pass through period of maturing

Still Federer's success in finals is far more impressive in this moment. CmonAussie must be aware of that himself and his post comes to me as somewhat biased

He didnt pass this perios cause he is damn good. He was winning titles at 18 like he was 25 in the head. That only says what a good player he is.

nkhera1
03-19-2007, 12:44 AM
Nadal's record is due to small number of finals he played and due to the fact that unlike most of the players he didn't have to pass through period of maturing

Still Federer's success in finals is far more impressive in this moment. CmonAussie must be aware of that himself and his post comes to me as somewhat biased

He is also 3 or 4 years younger.

The Pro
03-19-2007, 12:49 AM
The biggest choke I've seen from Rafa is when he really could have led Federer in the Wimbledon final last year. He faltered and Fed took control.

Normally though he keeps up an awesome intensity and it's his opponent who falters.

SBruguera
03-19-2007, 12:54 AM
I don´t think that Nadal and even Federer are able to mantain their stats (finals % conversions). There are a lot of young guns that are raising their level of play.

shotgun
03-19-2007, 01:00 AM
Here's the thread with the best and the worst records in ATP finals among active players.

http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=70843

R.Federer
03-19-2007, 01:20 AM
The biggest choke I've seen from Rafa is when he really could have led Federer in the Wimbledon final last year. He faltered and Fed took control.

Bigger than Miami 2005, leading 2 sets and a mini break in the third set TB? Unlikely.

brent-o
03-19-2007, 01:28 AM
Nadal's record is due to small number of finals he played and due to the fact that unlike most of the players he didn't have to pass through period of maturing

Still Federer's success in finals is far more impressive in this moment. CmonAussie must be aware of that himself and his post comes to me as somewhat biased

21 finals is a small number? Hardly, especially at the age of 20. While I agree Federer's is obviously more impressive, you cannot deny Nadal had played a lot of finals and won them. And because he didn't have to pass through the period of maturing, that's less impressive?

DDrago2
03-19-2007, 01:48 AM
21 finals is a small number? Hardly, especially at the age of 20. While I agree Federer's is obviously more impressive, you cannot deny Nadal had played a lot of finals and won them. And because he didn't have to pass through the period of maturing, that's less impressive?


Hey hey, slow down
Most of these finals were on clay (and there was quite a few small south-american tournaments there, remember)? Outside of clay he didn't play finals all that often. On clay he didn't loose the match for two years at all (which obviously also includes the finals) so you can't base a case on those stats for Nadal being specifialy strong in finals. WIth Federer it was very different
As for maturing, obviously I wanted to say that he may be one of those players who are the strongest as young and then start declining. So we have to wait and see how good a "big match player" he is

SBruguera
03-19-2007, 02:06 AM
Hey hey, slow down
Most of these finals were on clay (and there was quite a few small south-american tournaments there, remember)? Outside of clay he didn't play finals all that often. On clay he didn't loose the match for two years at all (which obviously also includes the finals) so you can't base a case on those stats for Nadal being specifialy strong in finals. WIth Federer it was very different
As for maturing, obviously I wanted to say that he may be one of those players who are the strongest as young and then start declining. So we have to wait and see how good a "big match player" he is

What are you talking about? Half of his 18 titles are GS or AMS. A better stat than Hewitt, Roddick, Moyá, Ferrero, Kuerten... (i´m only mentioning active players). And the same proportion that Federer has (if you don´t count the Masters Cup). It´s not that he has been playing minor tournaments and you know that.

DDrago2
03-19-2007, 02:47 AM
SBruguera: I just wanted to ilustrate that much of those finals were actualy not big matches for him. And those that were he won like all the others from those two years unbeaten on clay
CmonAussie was probably impressed with Nadal's succeses in finals on faster courts, which he tended to win, but he didn't play enough of them so you still can't say.

sondraj06
03-19-2007, 02:57 AM
Nadal's record is due to small number of finals he played and due to the fact that unlike most of the players he didn't have to pass through period of maturing

Still Federer's success in finals is far more impressive in this moment. CmonAussie must be aware of that himself and his post comes to me as somewhat biased


Have you forgotten that Nadal is 20 years old and Fed is 26.

Maybe it would suit the masses if someone pulled up Fed's record in finals at 20, any takers

Pea
03-19-2007, 03:01 AM
The biggest choke I've seen from Rafa is when he really could have led Federer in the Wimbledon final last year. He faltered and Fed took control.

Normally though he keeps up an awesome intensity and it's his opponent who falters.

How could you forget Miami?

Johnny Groove
03-19-2007, 03:05 AM
@ the thread starter, can i ask you why you feel the need to insert random symbols in your posts and thread titles? As well as bolds and diffrent colorations?

scoobs
03-19-2007, 03:07 AM
@ the thread starter, can i ask you why you feel the need to insert random symbols in your posts and thread titles? As well as bolds and diffrent colorations?
A more interesting question that the thread title question, which has three possible answers: Yes, No, We'll See.

:yeah:

Metis
03-19-2007, 03:16 AM
@ the thread starter, can i ask you why you feel the need to insert random symbols in your posts and thread titles? As well as bolds and diffrent colorations?

I don't mind the colors and the bold fonts so much (although excessive use is annoying), but the symbols are driving me crazy especially in the thread titles. :explode: :lol:

ChloeLove
03-19-2007, 04:20 AM
That is a nice record, i've never seen that before. I think Nadal is so successful in finals, because he always believes he is capable of winning. If his confidence levels are high, I think he can challenge any player in a match.

Hey hey, slow down
Most of these finals were on clay (and there was quite a few small south-american tournaments there, remember)? Outside of clay he didn't play finals all that often. On clay he didn't loose the match for two years at all (which obviously also includes the finals) so you can't base a case on those stats for Nadal being specifialy strong in finals. WIth Federer it was very different
As for maturing, obviously I wanted to say that he may be one of those players who are the strongest as young and then start declining. So we have to wait and see how good a "big match player" he is
:scratch: So what if some of the finals were on clay? Doesn't make it any less impressive.

CmonAussie
03-19-2007, 04:41 AM
Hey hey, slow down
Most of these finals were on clay (and there was quite a few small south-american tournaments there, remember)? Outside of clay he didn't play finals all that often. On clay he didn't loose the match for two years at all (which obviously also includes the finals) so you can't base a case on those stats for Nadal being specifialy strong in finals. WIth Federer it was very different
As for maturing, obviously I wanted to say that he may be one of those players who are the strongest as young and then start declining. So we have to wait and see how good a "big match player" he is


:wavey:
By "quite a few..." you mean 2:confused: :confused:

Another way of looking at Nadal`s record is to consider how he performed in the truly big matches:

*2004 Davis Cup Final~ singles [def #2 Roddick in 4-sets]
1.2005 Miami Final [pushed Fed to the brink of defeat in a 5-set thriller]
2.2005 Monte Carlo Final [def Coria in 4]
3.2005 Rome Final [def Coria in 5-sets (5-hr match)]
4.2005 FO Final [def drug cheat Puerta for his 1st Slam]
5.2005 Canada Final [def Agassi in 3]
6.2005 Madrid Final [def Ljubicic in 5-sets (trailed 2-sets/love)]
7.2006 Monte Carlo Final [def #1 Fed in 4]
8.2006 Rome Final [def #1 Fed in 5-sets (5-hr match)]
9.2006 FO Final [def #1 Fed in 4 for 2nd Slam]
10.2006 Wimby Final [lost to Fed in tight 4-setter]
11.2007 Indian Wells Final [def Djokovic]

~~>>> So Nadal has won 10/12 biggest matches of his life:worship:
#I`d say there`s some justification for calling him a big match player;)

Rommella
03-19-2007, 08:51 AM
The biggest choke I've seen from Rafa is when he really could have led Federer in the Wimbledon final last year. He faltered and Fed took control.

Normally though he keeps up an awesome intensity and it's his opponent who falters.
He could not have led Federer. If you mat recall, Fed won the first set, 6-0. Rafa may have choked on the 2nd set but in now way could you have called that as leading Federer.

Adler
03-19-2007, 09:02 AM
The biggest choke I've seen from Rafa is when he really could have led Federer in the Wimbledon final last year. He faltered and Fed took control
I've seen the match and I thought that Fed is in control for most of the match, he dropped serve just twice, and the last tim when everybody knew the match will soon be over

oz_boz
03-19-2007, 10:11 AM
The biggest choke I've seen from Rafa is when he really could have led Federer in the Wimbledon final last year. He faltered and Fed took control.

I beg to differ, IMO Nadal was never close to getting the upper hand in Wimbly - he could have gotten to 1 set all, but the fav would still be Roger. Nadal played as good as he can in the 3rd set and even that went to a tiebreak. Nadal didn't lose that final on a choke, he simply wasn't as good on grass.

As for the thread: Nadal seems extremely strong when he can smell the win. The only times I've seen him lose intensity is when he is getting outhit, and fades away a bit too easily. But tell me a player who doesn't.

Rafa is definitely a big match player, even a bit more so than Fed IMO. It coudl change in the future, we've already seen a bit of intensity loss when Rafa has become an established top player. But I reckon he'll find new ways of coping with pressure, and as long as Gonzo, Blake and Berdych don't make a lot of finals, he will likely maintain a great final record.

Kolya
03-19-2007, 12:54 PM
Go Hrbaty :D Beat Rafa in Auckland...

Dancing Hero
03-19-2007, 01:51 PM
Well, Nadal has a very good record for a 20 year old. Two GS, a r/u at Wimbledon and the list of titles he's won. He usually wins when he gets to the final. He's been consistent for a young player. Let's see how he maintains it over the next few years.

The Pro
03-20-2007, 12:50 AM
Bigger than Miami 2005, leading 2 sets and a mini break in the third set TB? Unlikely.

I've forgotten who he played there. It was quite a while ago though. Rafa didn't quite have the presence then that he does now. They're probly even I would say, though that is a choke.

All_Slam_Andre
03-20-2007, 01:08 AM
As well at that Miami final in 2005, earlier that year Nadal also had a fairly commanding lead in the 4th round of the AO before losing. At that stage in his career he couldn't handle 5 set matches (he lost the 4th and 5th sets in Miami quite heavily). However winning that epic tussle against Coria at Rome really turned that around and he is now utterly formidable in 5 set matches.

BTW Nadal's 18-3 and Federer's 47-13 in finals are both amazing. Why can't some people just accept that instead of finding the need to bash one of the players.

CmonAussie
03-20-2007, 03:23 AM
As well at that Miami final in 2005, earlier that year Nadal also had a fairly commanding lead in the 4th round of the AO before losing. At that stage in his career he couldn't handle 5 set matches (he lost the 4th and 5th sets in Miami quite heavily). However winning that epic tussle against Coria at Rome really turned that around and he is now utterly formidable in 5 set matches.

BTW Nadal's 18-3 and Federer's 47-13 in finals are both amazing. Why can't some people just accept that instead of finding the need to bash one of the players.


:wavey:
All-Slam-Andre mate:cool:
>>As far as I`m concerned we are on the same wavelength;)
....
*@@*~I simply started this thread because I wanted to alert people to the fact that Nadal hardly ever loses finals & he does have a pretty big aura when it comes to the important matches;)

Of course Federer`s overall record is more impressive & he`s getting all the accolades he deserves [you won`t find me bashing him]..

Both Rafa`s & Rogi`s records in finals is nothing short of phenomenal:worship:


***Actually the match that I think turned Nadal`s career around was the Davis Cup final 2004 [to my thinking].. At the time Rafa had very little[none] big match experience. Though Roddick had plenty of experience on the big stage... Anyway Winning that match & helping Spain win the Davis Cup at the end of 04 set him up [confidence wise] to attack 2005 with gusto [11-titles, FO, 4-TMS, #2...etc.].


BTW,~I believe Nadal`s 18-3 record start in finals is the best ever in the history of the ATP:worship: [yes it wll be interesting to see if he can maintain such high % conversion in the coming years].. In that respect Rafa is a little like Tiger Woods [get him in a playoff or Rd4 lead & he virtually never folds]..!! I do think there`s something special in Nadal`s mental makeup that enables him to play his best tennis when the pressure is most intense:devil:
[FED has it too but it took him several years to get to that point]..

Fedex
03-20-2007, 05:35 AM
The biggest choke I've seen from Rafa is when he really could have led Federer in the Wimbledon final last year. He faltered and Fed took control.

Normally though he keeps up an awesome intensity and it's his opponent who falters.
What the hell are you talking about? :confused: Rafa lost the first set 6-0 and was never at any point ahead in the match. The only match he's ever blown against Federer was the Miami final, and that had mostly to do with fatigue I think.

CmonAussie
03-20-2007, 08:12 AM
#@@#
>>>
[B]A few more stats on Nadal`s impressive record in finals:
[Note: of the 3-finals he lost he was able to win atleast a set in each of them, probably taking a set of Fed at Wimby was the most impressive of among these].

###
Rafa not only wins the majority of his finals [86%] but he also manages to pull through in most of the big points [bps for/against]~~>> just check the scoreline in some of his victories below:



1. 9 August 2004 Sopot, Poland Clay José Acasuso 6-3, 6-4
2. 14 February 2005 Costa do Sauípe, Brazil Clay Alberto Martín 6-0, 6-7(2), 6-1
3. 21 February 2005 Acapulco, Mexico Clay Álbert Montañés 6-1, 6-0
4. 17 April 2005 Monte Carlo, Monaco Clay Guillermo Coria 6-3, 6-1, 0-6, 7-5
5. 24 April 2005 Barcelona, Spain Clay Juan Carlos Ferrero 6-1, 7-6(4), 6-3
6. 2 May 2005 Rome, Italy Clay Guillermo Coria 6-4, 3-6, 6-3, 4-6, 7-6(6)
7. 5 June 2005 French Open, Paris, France Clay Mariano Puerta 6-7(6), 6-3, 6-1, 7-5
8. 4 July 2005 Båstad, Sweden Clay Tomáš Berdych 2-6, 6-2, 6-4
9. 18 July 2005 Stuttgart, Germany Clay Gastón Gaudio 6-3, 6-3, 6-4
10. 14 August 2005 Montréal, Canada Hard Andre Agassi 6-3, 4-6, 6-2
11. 18 September 2005 Beijing, China Hard Guillermo Coria 5-7, 6-1, 6-2
12. 23 October 2005 Madrid, Spain Hard (I) Ivan Ljubičić 3-6, 2-6, 6-3, 6-4, 7-6(3)
13. 4 March 2006 Dubai, UAE Hard Roger Federer 2-6, 6-4, 6-4
14. 23 April 2006 Monte Carlo, Monaco Clay Roger Federer 6-2, 6-7(2), 6-3, 7-6(5)
15. 30 April 2006 Barcelona, Spain Clay Tommy Robredo 6-4, 6-4, 6-0
16. 14 May 2006 Rome, Italy Clay Roger Federer 6-7(0), 7-6(5), 6-4, 2-6, 7-6(5)
17. 11 June 2006 French Open, Paris, France Clay Roger Federer 1-6, 6-1, 6-4, 7-6(4)
18. 18 March 2007 Indian Wells, California, USA Hard Novak Djokovic 6-2, 7-5


***Basically Rafa is gladiator~>> when the going gets tough he finds a way to win [the only exception being Miami 2005]!!

Norrage
03-20-2007, 09:52 AM
All those close last sets he managed to win :o

CmonAussie
03-20-2007, 11:32 AM
All those close last sets he managed to win :o

#@@#:wavey:
Yeah Rogi Federer:angel: tends to win his finals more easily than gladiator Rafa Nadal:devil:
...
>>>Check out the ease of the many finals FED won:eek: ...



1. 4 February 2001 Milan, Italy Carpet (i) Julien Boutter 6-4, 6-7(7), 6-4
2. 13 January 2002 Sydney, Australia Hard Juan Ignacio Chela 6-3, 6-3
3. 19 May 2002 Hamburg, Germany Clay Marat Safin 6-1, 6-3, 6-4
4. 13 October 2002 Vienna, Austria Hard (i) Jiří Novák 6-4, 6-1, 3-6, 6-4
5. 16 February 2003 Marseille, France Hard (i) Jonas Björkman 6-2, 7-6(6)
6. 2 March 2003 Dubai, UAE Hard Jiří Novák 6-1, 7-6(2)
7. 4 May 2003 Munich, Germany Clay Jarkko Nieminen 6-1, 6-4
8. 15 June 2003 Halle, Germany Grass Nicolas Kiefer 6-1, 6-3
9. 6 July 2003 Wimbledon, London, United Kingdom Grass Mark Philippoussis 7-6(5), 6-2, 7-6(3)
10. 12 October 2003 Vienna, Austria Hard (i) Carlos Moyŕ 6-3, 6-3, 6-3
11. 16 November 2003 Tennis Masters Cup, Houston, USA Hard Andre Agassi 6-3, 6-0, 6-4
12. 1 February 2004 Australian Open, Melbourne, Australia Hard Marat Safin 7-6(3), 6-4, 6-2
13. 7 March 2004 Dubai, UAE Hard Feliciano López 4-6, 6-1, 6-2
14. 21 March 2004 Indian Wells, USA Hard Tim Henman 6-3, 6-3
15. 16 May 2004 Hamburg, Germany Clay Guillermo Coria 4-6, 6-4, 6-2, 6-3
16. 13 June 2004 Halle, Germany Grass Mardy Fish 6-0, 6-3
17. 5 July 2004 Wimbledon, London, United Kingdom Grass Andy Roddick 4-6, 7-5, 7-6(3), 6-4
18. 11 July 2004 Gstaad, Switzerland Clay Igor Andreev 6-2, 6-3, 5-7, 6-3
19. 1 August 2004 Toronto, Canada Hard Andy Roddick 7-5, 6-3
20. 12 September 2004 U.S. Open, New York, USA Hard Lleyton Hewitt 6-0, 7-6(3), 6-0
21. 3 October 2004 Bangkok, Thailand Hard (i) Andy Roddick 6-4, 6-0
22. 21 November 2004 Tennis Masters Cup, Houston, USA Hard Lleyton Hewitt 6-3, 6-2
23. 9 January 2005 Doha, Qatar Hard Ivan Ljubičić 6-3, 6-1
24. 20 February 2005 Rotterdam, Netherlands Hard (i) Ivan Ljubičić 5-7, 7-5, 7-6(5)
25. 27 February 2005 Dubai, UAE Hard Ivan Ljubičić 6-1, 6-7(6), 6-3
26. 20 March 2005 Indian Wells, USA Hard Lleyton Hewitt 6-2, 6-4, 6-4
27. 3 April 2005 Miami, USA Hard Rafael Nadal 2-6, 6-7(4), 7-6(5), 6-3, 6-1
28. 15 May 2005 Hamburg, Germany Clay Richard Gasquet 6-3, 7-5, 7-6(4)
29. 13 June 2005 Halle, Germany Grass Marat Safin 6-4, 6-7(6), 6-4
30. 3 July 2005 Wimbledon, London, United Kingdom Grass Andy Roddick 6-2, 7-6(2), 6-4
31. 21 August 2005 Cincinnati, USA Hard Andy Roddick 6-3, 7-5
32. 11 September 2005 U.S. Open, New York, USA Hard Andre Agassi 6-3, 2-6, 7-6(1), 6-1
33. 2 October 2005 Bangkok, Thailand Hard (i) Andy Murray 6-3, 7-5
34. 8 January 2006 Doha, Qatar Hard Gaël Monfils 6-3, 7-6(5)
35. 29 January 2006 Australian Open, Melbourne, Australia Hard Marcos Baghdatis 5-7, 7-5, 6-0, 6-2
36. 19 March 2006 Indian Wells, USA Hard James Blake 7-5, 6-3, 6-0
37. 2 April 2006 Miami, USA Hard Ivan Ljubičić 7-6(5), 7-6(4), 7-6(6)
38. 18 June 2006 Halle, Germany Grass TomᚠBerdych 6-0, 6-7(4), 6-2
39. 9 July 2006 Wimbledon, London, United Kingdom Grass Rafael Nadal 6-0, 7-6(5), 6-7(2), 6-3
40. 13 August 2006 Toronto, Canada Hard Richard Gasquet 2-6, 6-3, 6-2
41. 10 September 2006 U.S. Open, New York, USA Hard Andy Roddick 6-2, 4-6, 7-5, 6-1
42. 8 October 2006 Tokyo, Japan Hard Tim Henman 6-3, 6-3
43. 22 October 2006 Madrid, Spain Hard (i) Fernando González 7-5, 6-1, 6-0
44. 29 October 2006 Basel, Switzerland Carpet (i) Fernando González 6-3, 6-2, 7-6(3)
45. 19 November 2006 Tennis Masters Cup, Shanghai, China Hard (i) James Blake 6-0, 6-3, 6-4
46. 28 January 2007 Australian Open, Melbourne, Australia Hard Fernando González 7-6(2), 6-4, 6-4
47. 3 March 2007 Dubai, UAE Hard Mikhail Youzhny 6-4, 6-3

All_Slam_Andre
03-20-2007, 11:58 AM
Thanks for all that info C'mon Aussie. It is amazing that Federer has been able to win so many of his finals in straight sets.

CmonAussie
03-20-2007, 12:04 PM
Thanks for all that info C'mon Aussie. It is amazing that Federer has been able to win so many of his finals in straight sets.

:wavey:
No worries mate:cool:
>>>
Yeah it seems Nadal & Federer are complete opposites in terms of the way they play & they way they win;)

~~Being so different makes Rafa v Rogi one of the best rivalries in decades>>> just hope they can keep it up for a few more years [a treat for fans of tennis]:D

martine2
03-20-2007, 12:19 PM
As well at that Miami final in 2005, earlier that year Nadal also had a fairly commanding lead in the 4th round of the AO before losing. At that stage in his career he couldn't handle 5 set matches (he lost the 4th and 5th sets in Miami quite heavily). However winning that epic tussle against Coria at Rome really turned that around and he is now utterly formidable in 5 set matches.

BTW Nadal's 18-3 and Federer's 47-13 in finals are both amazing. Why can't some people just accept that instead of finding the need to bash one of the players.


AMEN...:yeah:

DDrago2
03-20-2007, 12:24 PM
CmonAussie, this is now a different picture... if that is whay you want to say than I agree. Nadal is always playing his best when it's most decisive. On big points you just know he is not going to miss. I mean you have 0/40 and two more BPs on his serve and he gests away, then he has a look at a single BP and he breaks you and runs away with a match

This may be down to great understanding of match-flow, but also he may have the feeling of having nothing to loose, or something else that gives him energy and "nirvana" in those tough moments. There are also certain players that specialy motivate him, such as Federer, against whom he always plays much above his average.

But from the other hand he knows to get nervous. RG 2005 he won against Puerta with a lot of luck, after playing a sub-par match... He lost that miami finals to Federer on a strange way

But we should not analyse this too much I think, every player is different. I still say that his finals record is mostly down to his fantastic clay performance more then down to these things

CmonAussie
03-20-2007, 12:38 PM
CmonAussie, this is now a different picture... if that is whay you want to say than I agree. Nadal is always playing his best when it's most decisive. On big points you just know he is not going to miss. I mean you have 0/40 and two more BPs on his serve and he gests away, then he has a look at a single BP and he breaks you and runs away with a match

This may be down to great understanding of match-flow, but also he may have the feeling of having nothing to loose, or something else that gives him energy and "nirvana" in those tough moments. There are also certain players that specialy motivate him, such as Federer, against whom he always plays much above his average.

But from the other hand he knows to get nervous. RG 2005 he won against Puerta with a lot of luck, after playing a sub-par match... He lost that miami finals to Federer on a strange way

But we should not analyse this too much I think, every player is different. I still say that his finals record is mostly down to his fantastic clay performance more then down to these things


OK Drago mate:cool:

>>All I was trying to point out is that Nadal`s ability to win decisive matches [finals] is quite phenomenal~~> infact I`m quite sure Nadal`s finals % conversion is the best ever in ATP history [tell me who else has gone 18-won/3-lost at such a point in their career??];)

Dismissing Nadal`s achievment because most of his wins have come on clay is rather odd:confused:

For instance should we dismiss Federer`s amazing record in finals because most of his wins came on hard/fast courts:confused:

DDrago2
03-20-2007, 01:58 PM
CmonAussie, I have to admit I am a bit awestruck with this bunch of stats you seemingly effortlesly outpour here. Where the hell are you geting them from ;)

CmonAussie
03-20-2007, 02:05 PM
CmonAussie, I have to admit I am a bit awestruck with this bunch of stats you seemingly effortlesly outpour here. Where the hell are you geting them from ;)

:wavey:
www.atptennis.com
www.itftennis.com
www.tennisfame.com
www.wikipedia.org
www.espn.go.com
www.menstennisforums.com
;)
...
Nothing really special with my sources~~ it`s all there on the www:devil:

Racket88
03-20-2007, 06:05 PM
What the hell are you talking about? :confused: Rafa lost the first set 6-0 and was never at any point ahead in the match. The only match he's ever blown against Federer was the Miami final, and that had mostly to do with fatigue I think.


Didn't Nadal serve for the 2nd set and got broken? Nadal won the 3rd set, so he could have been up 2 sets to 1.

R.Federer
03-20-2007, 08:12 PM
What the hell are you talking about? Rafa lost the first set 6-0 and was never at any point ahead in the match. The only match he's ever blown against Federer was the Miami final, and that had mostly to do with fatigue I think.


Didn't Nadal serve for the 2nd set and got broken? Nadal won the 3rd set, so he could have been up 2 sets to 1.

Yes he did serve for the second and got broken (twice in succession). But if this is the gauge by which he was going to win Wimbledon and take control, then Federer had 3 bp early in the second after breadsticking in the first set, in the French. Does that also mean Federer was going to win the French?

Here are some more whatifs.
Federer also broke Nadal who was serving for the championship at the French. Had Federer won the ensuing TB, it would have been a 5-set final. Federer also served for the match at Wimbledon at 5-1 in the fourth. Had he won that game, he would have served out a Bagel AND a Breadstick in the W final ;) . But what ifs dont really count.

sondraj06
03-20-2007, 08:54 PM
I don't think rafa had a chance at winning wimby last year, I remember watching it and turned during the second set. It was awful, but I think it had a lot more to do with his nerves.

It was a big accomplishment for him and I don't think by any means he sees it as a lost chance.

Fed is still the king of grass and if it had been anyone else maybe a lost chance but it was too much ridding on that win, and after fed dropped that one set, I think he started to see the light and step up his game where it needed to be to win the match.

But I don't doubt rafa will be back this year on grass, regardless of who he played I think he plays well on grass, and I don't think he'll let the nerves be a factor this year, so it'll really be on.

Vamos grass

FluffyYellowBall
03-20-2007, 09:30 PM
The biggest choke I've seen from Rafa is when he really could have led Federer in the Wimbledon final last year. He faltered and Fed took control.

Normally though he keeps up an awesome intensity and it's his opponent who falters.

wasnt it a smash for a 2nd set point or something?? I cringe everytime i remember that :0 He would have pushed it to 5 sets!

RedFury
03-20-2007, 09:33 PM
Hey hey, slow down
Most of these finals were on clay (and there was quite a few small south-american tournaments there, remember)? Outside of clay he didn't play finals all that often. On clay he didn't loose the match for two years at all (which obviously also includes the finals) so you can't base a case on those stats for Nadal being specifialy strong in finals. WIth Federer it was very different
As for maturing, obviously I wanted to say that he may be one of those players who are the strongest as young and then start declining. So we have to wait and see how good a "big match player" he is

Yep, no doubt it was different with Federer. Especially when you consider Rafa's 18 titles -- including seven Shileds and two Slams -- to Fed's meager three titles at the same age. If and when he stays healthy and keeps winning at the same pace, by Fed's current age (25) there's no telling how many titles he'll have.

Point being, you'd have to go back to the likes of Borg, Boris, Agassi or Sampras to find anyone so young with so many wins in his pocket already. And that's some company I hasten to ad! Future surely bodes well for the young man.

Whether that irks some of you or not, is completely irrelevant to the topic at hand.

oz_boz
04-24-2007, 11:46 AM
Point being, you'd have to go back to the likes of Borg, Boris, Agassi or Sampras to find anyone so young with so many wins in his pocket already.

Remove Agassi and Sampras, add Wilander and you're closer to the truth.

SBruguera
04-24-2007, 01:56 PM
FED`s record is pretty good too:eek: :worship: :cool:

SINGLES CAREER TITLES (47): 2001--Milan; 2002--Hamburg TMS, Sydney, Vienna; 2003--Dubai, Halle, Marseille, Munich, Tennis Masters Cup, Vienna, Wimbledon; 2004--Australian Open, Bangkok, Canada AMS, Dubai, Gstaad, Halle, Hamburg AMS, Indian Wells AMS, Tennis Masters Cup, US Open, Wimbledon; 2005--ATP Masters Series Cincinnati, ATP Masters Series Hamburg, ATP Masters Series Indian Wells, ATP Masters Series Miami, Bangkok, Doha, Dubai, Halle, Rotterdam, US Open, Wimbledon; 2006--ATP Masters Series Canada, ATP Masters Series Indian Wells, ATP Masters Series Madrid, ATP Masters Series Miami, Australian Open, Basel, Doha, Halle, Tennis Masters Cup, Tokyo, US Open, Wimbledon; 2007--Australian Open, Dubai
FINALIST (13): 2000--Basel, Marseille; 2001--Basel, Rotterdam; 2002--Miami TMS, Milan; 2003--Gstaad, Rome TMS; 2005--Tennis Masters Cup; 2006--ATP Masters Series Monte Carlo, ATP Masters Series Rome, Dubai, Roland Garros


~~47 won & 13 lost [4-lost to Nadal] = 78%


CmonAussie you should edit this post too. Federer has been a finalist in Monte Carlo this year too. Now his stat is 77%

CmonAussie
04-24-2007, 02:03 PM
CamonAussie you should edit this post too. Federer has been a finalist in Monte Carlo this year too. Now his stat is 77%


:wavey:

Cheers;) , I`ll do that now:cool: .

mashamaniac
04-24-2007, 04:06 PM
Rafa unlike a lot of players has great control over his nerves.

He sees the finish line and goes for it, other people see the finish line and get scared of it, choke and stumble.

so impressive...what a nice words!!!

CmonAussie
04-24-2007, 04:16 PM
***
Another impressive stat for Rafa Nadal:

`@@`
...
6/19 tourney wins have included wins over #1 Rogi FED
[during the most dominant peak era of any male player in tennis history!!!]

2005 FO~SF
2006 Dubai~final
2006 Monte Carlo~final
2006 Rome~final
2006 FO~final
2007 Monte Carlo~final
...

6/19 == 32% <:)

SBruguera
04-29-2007, 04:54 PM
86.95% :eek: :eek: :eek:

Nacho
04-29-2007, 05:11 PM
it would be awesome if he could make it to 90%

SBruguera
04-29-2007, 09:05 PM
#Update


SINGLES CAREER TITLES (20): 2004--Sopot;
2005--Acapulco, ATP Masters Series Canada, ATP Masters Series Madrid, ATP Masters Series Monte Carlo, ATP Masters Series Rome, Barcelona, Bastad, Beijing, Costa Do Sauipe, Roland Garros, Stuttgart;
2006--ATP Masters Series Monte Carlo, ATP Masters Series Rome, Barcelona, Dubai, Roland Garros;
2007--ATP Masters Series Indian Wells, ATP Masters Series Monte Carlo
FINALIST (3): 2004--Auckland; 2005--ATP Masters Series Miami; 2006--Wimbledon

~~~20 won & 3 lost = 86.95% :eek: :cool:


...
I`m guessing 20/3 in finals is probably the best ever stats of any pro player!!!

2/3 finals he lost [Auckland 04 & Miami 05 he was 2-points away from winning those as well]!!!!
Basically Nadal is phenomenal in finals!!!

If it´s not too much work you could add 2007 - Barcelona, please ;)

CmonAussie
04-29-2007, 09:10 PM
If it´s not too much work you could add 2007 - Barcelona, please ;)


:wavey:
Sorry I forgot [tired & drunk just now:devil: ]..

GlennMirnyi
04-29-2007, 09:13 PM
It's because he only gets to finals on clay or mud-slow hard against jokers.

CmonAussie
04-29-2007, 09:13 PM
#Update


SINGLES CAREER TITLES (20): 2004--Sopot;
2005--Acapulco, ATP Masters Series Canada, ATP Masters Series Madrid, ATP Masters Series Monte Carlo, ATP Masters Series Rome, Barcelona, Bastad, Beijing, Costa Do Sauipe, Roland Garros, Stuttgart;
2006--ATP Masters Series Monte Carlo, ATP Masters Series Rome, Barcelona, Dubai, Roland Garros; 2007--ATP Masters Series Indian Wells, ATP Masters Series Monte Carlo, Barcelona

FINALIST (3): 2004--Auckland; 2005--ATP Masters Series Miami; 2006--Wimbledon

~~~20 won & 3 lost = 86.95%


...
I`m guessing 20/3 in finals is probably the best ever stats of any pro player!!!

2/3 finals he lost [Auckland 04 & Miami 05 he was 2-points away from winning those as well]!!!!
Basically Nadal is phenomenal in finals!!!

Metis
04-29-2007, 09:15 PM
86.95% :lol: I think you can round it to 87% without being accused of misrepresenting Nadal's achievements :lol:

CmonAussie
04-29-2007, 09:21 PM
86.95% :lol: I think you can round it to 87% without being accused of misrepresenting Nadal's achievements :lol:


:wavey:
Yeah I was worried the MTF upstanding citizens might put me under house arrest:eek:

Rafa = Fed Killa
04-29-2007, 09:43 PM
Vamos RAFA!

Fedtards can cry themselves to sleep.

Henry Chinaski
04-29-2007, 10:00 PM
This thread needs Roitman's anecdote:

"Did you know I've beaten Nadal twice? Though he was only eight or nine hahaha. He was still in kindergarten. The first time was in Mallorca qualies when he was 14 and had received a wildcard. And the other time was the final of the Cherbourg challenger in 2003. Rafa was 16.

I was no longer a boy, I was 23 and from the other side of the net, I saw a little rat running and hitting the ball furiously. The match finished and he was very depressed. I went up to him and said to him: "You should still be happy!". And he said to me: "I've just lost two consecutive finals. I'm trapped because I'm scared I won't be able to win finals". Incredible!
Do you think he's got over that fear or not?"

CmonAussie
04-29-2007, 10:21 PM
This thread needs Roitman's anecdote:

"Did you know I've beaten Nadal twice? Though he was only eight or nine hahaha. He was still in kindergarten. The first time was in Mallorca qualies when he was 14 and had received a wildcard. And the other time was the final of the Cherbourg challenger in 2003. Rafa was 16.

I was no longer a boy, I was 23 and from the other side of the net, I saw a little rat running and hitting the ball furiously. The match finished and he was very depressed. I went up to him and said to him: "You should still be happy!". And he said to me: "I've just lost two consecutive finals. I'm trapped because I'm scared I won't be able to win finals". Incredible!
Do you think he's got over that fear or not?"


:)
WOW:devil:
...
Just 3.5 years ago Rafa was scared at the prospect of winning a Challenger final~~ amazing:cool:

Now he`s won 20 lost 3 == obviously whatever fear Rafa had of losing it turned into a great weapon, as he harnessed that fear so that he would virtually never lose a big match again [well the last 3years are phenomenal anyway]:worship: :worship:

SBruguera
04-29-2007, 10:23 PM
This thread needs Roitman's anecdote:

"Did you know I've beaten Nadal twice? Though he was only eight or nine hahaha. He was still in kindergarten. The first time was in Mallorca qualies when he was 14 and had received a wildcard. And the other time was the final of the Cherbourg challenger in 2003. Rafa was 16.

I was no longer a boy, I was 23 and from the other side of the net, I saw a little rat running and hitting the ball furiously. The match finished and he was very depressed. I went up to him and said to him: "You should still be happy!". And he said to me: "I've just lost two consecutive finals. I'm trapped because I'm scared I won't be able to win finals". Incredible!
Do you think he's got over that fear or not?"

That´s a very good anecdote. Rafa still seems depressed when he loses a final.

SBruguera
04-29-2007, 10:28 PM
86.95% :lol: I think you can round it to 87% without being accused of misrepresenting Nadal's achievements :lol:

It doesn´t matter. If Nadal wins Rome and RG (I think he will quit from Hamburg) it will be a perfect 88%

SBruguera
05-13-2007, 04:27 PM
24 finals played => 21 titles => 87.5% :woohoo:

Tom_Bombadil
05-13-2007, 07:33 PM
24 finals played => 21 titles => 87.5% :woohoo:

Incredible stats.

CmonAussie
05-13-2007, 07:39 PM
UPDATE [May 13th, 07]

NADAL just doesn`t like to lose finals does he<:)

SINGLES CAREER TITLES (21): 2004--Sopot;
2005--Acapulco, ATP Masters Series Canada, ATP Masters Series Madrid, ATP Masters Series Monte Carlo, ATP Masters Series Rome, Barcelona, Bastad, Beijing, Costa Do Sauipe, Roland Garros, Stuttgart;
2006--ATP Masters Series Monte Carlo, ATP Masters Series Rome, Barcelona, Dubai, Roland Garros;
2007--ATP Masters Series Indian Wells, ATP Masters Series Monte Carlo, Barcelona, ATP Masters Series Rome

FINALIST (3): 2004--Auckland; 2005--ATP Masters Series Miami; 2006--Wimbledon

~~~21 won & 3 lost = 87.5%

CmonAussie
05-13-2007, 08:31 PM
Here`s a trivia question...
>> What other tennis player`s record in Finals is closest to Rafa`s???

Answer
-- Samantha Stosur [women`s doubles],
21-won & 4-lost
~~ = 84%

CmonAussie
05-14-2007, 02:09 PM
>>>>
Here`s the Top-10 greatest winning finals winning % in history:
[both RAFA & FED rate very highly<:)]!!
...

1. Rafael Nadal (21-3 @ 87.5%)
2. Thomas Muster (44-11 @ 80%)
3. Roger Federer (47-14 @77.0%)
4. Davydenko (10-3@ 76.9%)
5. Thomas Enquist (19-6 @ 73.1%)
6. Pete Sampras (64-24 @ 72.7%)
7. Joakim Nystrom (13-5 @ 72.2%)
8. Jose-Luis Clerc (25-10 @ 71.4%)
9. John McEnroe (77-31 @ 71.3%)
10. Bjorn Borg (62-26@ 70.5%)

SBruguera
05-14-2007, 03:15 PM
>>>>
Here`s the Top-10 greatest winning finals winning % in history:
[both RAFA & FED rate very highly<:)]!!
...

1. Rafael Nadal (21-3 @ 87.5%)
2. Thomas Muster (44-11 @ 80%)
3. Roger Federer (47-14 @77.0%)
4. Davydenko (10-3@ 76.9%)
5. Thomas Enquist (19-6 @ 73.1%)
6. Pete Sampras (64-24 @ 72.7%)
7. Joakim Nystrom (13-5 @ 72.2%)
8. Jose-Luis Clerc (25-10 @ 71.4%)
9. John McEnroe (77-31 @ 71.3%)
10. Bjorn Borg (62-26@ 70.5%)

But the winner is: Roberto Carretero!! (1-1 @ 100%) :haha: :haha:

DhammaTiger
05-14-2007, 05:18 PM
But the winner is: Roberto Carretero!! (1-1 @ 100%) :haha: :haha:

I remember Carretero. What happened to him?

CmonAussie
05-20-2007, 12:26 PM
***
...
Another big clash of the titans<:)
Also it`s an important one:

*RAFA wins: his finals record goes to 22-3 @ 88%
loses: 21-4 @ 84%

*FED wins: his finals record goes to 48-14 @ 77.4%
loses: 47-15 @ 75.8%

CmonAussie
05-20-2007, 03:44 PM
Update: May 19th 2007

***
RAFA Nadal
Won 21, lost 4 [3 to FED] @ 84%

ROGI Federer
Won 48, lost 14 [5 to RAFA] @ 77.4%

Andre♥
05-20-2007, 04:02 PM
Here`s a trivia question...
>> What other tennis player`s record in Finals is closest to Rafa`s???

Answer
-- Samantha Stosur [women`s doubles],
21-won & 4-lost
~~ = 84%

Anna Smashnova has 11 out of 12 or something like that...

CmonAussie
05-22-2007, 03:48 PM
###
...
Just realised that FED prevented RAFA from winning his 22nd title b4 his 21st birthday!!!

RAFA was one win away from equalling Borg`s record [22] for most titles uner-21yrs!!!

Since he turns 21yrs during the FO~~ that chance has now passed & Borg keeps his record! Boy RAFA was close;><:

Lori42
05-22-2007, 03:57 PM
How many titles had Federer won before his 21st birthday?

CmonAussie
05-22-2007, 04:01 PM
How many titles had Federer won before his 21st birthday?

:wavey:
The answer is ~~~ JUST 3:eek:

1. 4 February 2001 Milan, Italy Carpet (i) Julien Boutter 6-4, 6-7(7), 6-4
2. 13 January 2002 Sydney, Australia Hard Juan Ignacio Chela 6-3, 6-3
3. 19 May 2002 Hamburg, Germany Clay Marat Safin 6-1, 6-3, 6-4

adee-gee
05-22-2007, 04:02 PM
They're not necessarily the best big match players, they're just the best :shrug:

Safin is one of the best big match players.

CmonAussie
05-22-2007, 04:11 PM
They're not necessarily the best big match players, they're just the best :shrug:

Safin is one of the best big match players.


You think "Safin is one of the best big match players":eek: :confused:
**
Safin`s record in finals would suggest not [eg. AO 2002 final:sad: ]

Marat`s won 15 & lost 11 ==> 57.7%


Safin`s final wins
1. 23 August 1999 Boston, USA Hard Greg Rusedski 6-4, 7-6(11)
2. 24 April 2000 Barcelona, Spain Clay Juan Carlos Ferrero 6-3, 6-3, 6-4
3. 1 May 2000 Majorca, Spain Clay Mikael Tillström 6-4, 6-3
4. 31 July 2000 Toronto, Canada Hard Harel Levy 6-2, 6-3
5. 28 August 2000 U.S. Open, New York, USA Hard Pete Sampras 6-4, 6-3, 6-3
6. 11 September 2000 Tashkent, Uzbekistan Hard Davide Sanguinetti 6-3, 6-4
7. 6 November 2000 St. Petersburg, Russia Hard (I) Dominik Hrbatý 2-6, 6-4, 6-4
8. 13 November 2000 Paris, France Carpet (I) Mark Philippoussis 3-6, 7-6(7), 6-4, 3-6, 7-6(8)
9. 10 September 2001 Tashkent, Uzbekistan Hard Yevgeny Kafelnikov 6-2, 6-2
10. 22 October 2001 St. Petersburg, Russia Hard (I) Rainer Schüttler 3-6, 6-3, 6-3
11. 28 October 2002 Paris, France Carpet (I) Lleyton Hewitt 7-6(4), 6-0, 6-4
12. 13 September 2004 Beijing, China Hard Mikhail Youzhny 7-6(4), 7-5
13. 18 October 2004 Madrid, Spain Hard (I) David Nalbandian 6-2, 6-4, 6-3
14. 1 November 2004 Paris, France Carpet (I) Radek Štěpánek 6-3, 7-6(5), 6-3
15. 17 January 2005 Australian Open, Melbourne, Australia Hard Lleyton Hewitt 1-6, 6-3, 6-4, 6-4



Safin`s finals losses
1. Nov 7, 1999 Paris, France Carpet (I) Andre Agassi 7-6, 6-2, 4-6, 6-4
2. May 21, 2000 Hamburg, Germany Clay Gustavo Kuerten 6-4, 5-7, 6-4, 5-7, 7-6
3. Aug 20, 2000 Indianapolis, USA Hard Gustavo Kuerten 3-6, 7-6, 7-6
4. Feb 4, 2001 Dubai, UAE Hard Juan Carlos Ferrero 6-2, 6-3
5. Jan 27, 2002 Australian Open, Melbourne Hard Thomas Johansson 3-6, 6-4, 6-4, 7-6
6. May 19, 2002 Hamburg, Germany Clay Roger Federer 6-1, 6-3, 6-4
7. Apr 27, 2003 Barcelona, Spain Clay Carlos Moya 5-7, 6-2, 6-2, 3-0 retired
8. Feb 1, 2004 Australian Open, Melbourne Hard Roger Federer 7-6, 6-4, 6-2
9. Apr 18, 2004 Estoril, Portugal Clay Juan Ignacio Chela 6-7, 6-3, 6-3
10. Jun 12, 2005 Halle, Germany Grass Roger Federer 6-4, 6-7, 6-4
11. Oct 9, 2006 Moscow, Russia Carpet Nikolay Davydenko 6-4, 5-7, 6-4

adee-gee
05-22-2007, 04:13 PM
It's not all about finals though.

Davis Cup for example, and Grand Slam finals are big matches. The match against Johansson aside, he's performed well for the most part on the biggest stages.

CmonAussie
05-22-2007, 04:23 PM
It's not all about finals though.

Davis Cup for example, and Grand Slam finals are big matches. The match against Johansson aside, he's performed well for the most part on the biggest stages.


:wavey:
Fair enough:cool:
~~
Then Hewitt`s performed well on the biggest stages too:devil:, except for 05 AO final:sad:

rwn
05-22-2007, 04:25 PM
They're not necessarily the best big match players, they're just the best :shrug:

Safin is one of the best big match players.

Yes, that final against Johansson at the AO 2002 will always remain a classic. ;)

adee-gee
05-22-2007, 04:30 PM
Yes, that final against Johansson at the AO 2002 will always remain a classic. ;)

One bad match can be excused. Unless you want to take Federer off for his performance in the French Open final last year?

rwn
05-22-2007, 05:17 PM
One bad match can be excused. Unless you want to take Federer off for his performance in the French Open final last year?

Nadal is a better claycourter than Federer IMO, so a total different situation.
I don't think Federer played a bad match. Federer has 10 titles in 11 grand slam finals. That's a decent score I think.

G4.
05-22-2007, 05:28 PM
not good enough for Nadal groupies

CmonAussie
06-12-2007, 03:54 AM
UPDATE<:)

****


>>>
NADAL just doesn`t like to lose finals does he

SINGLES CAREER TITLES (22): 2004--Sopot;
2005--Acapulco, ATP Masters Series Canada, ATP Masters Series Madrid, ATP Masters Series Monte Carlo, ATP Masters Series Rome, Barcelona, Bastad, Beijing, Costa Do Sauipe, Roland Garros, Stuttgart;
2006--ATP Masters Series Monte Carlo, ATP Masters Series Rome, Barcelona, Dubai, Roland Garros;
2007--ATP Masters Series Indian Wells, ATP Masters Series Monte Carlo, Barcelona, ATP Masters Series Rome, Roland Garros

FINALIST (3): 2004--Auckland; 2005--ATP Masters Series Miami; 2006--Wimbledon; 2007--ATP Masters Series Hamburg

~~~22 won & 4 lost = 85%

++ 3/4 finals Nadal lost were to Fed!! [of course Rafa beat Fed in 6-finals]..


#@@#
........Can Nadal maintain such an impressive winning percentage in finals
Is Rafa destined to be the greatest big match player [ever]



FED`s record is pretty good too

SINGLES CAREER TITLES (48): 2001--Milan; 2002--Hamburg TMS, Sydney, Vienna; 2003--Dubai, Halle, Marseille, Munich, Tennis Masters Cup, Vienna, Wimbledon; 2004--Australian Open, Bangkok, Canada AMS, Dubai, Gstaad, Halle, Hamburg AMS, Indian Wells AMS, Tennis Masters Cup, US Open, Wimbledon; 2005--ATP Masters Series Cincinnati, ATP Masters Series Hamburg, ATP Masters Series Indian Wells, ATP Masters Series Miami, Bangkok, Doha, Dubai, Halle, Rotterdam, US Open, Wimbledon; 2006--ATP Masters Series Canada, ATP Masters Series Indian Wells, ATP Masters Series Madrid, ATP Masters Series Miami, Australian Open, Basel, Doha, Halle, Tennis Masters Cup, Tokyo, US Open, Wimbledon; 2007--Australian Open, Dubai, ATP Masters Series Hamburg
FINALIST (15): 2000--Basel, Marseille; 2001--Basel, Rotterdam; 2002--Miami TMS, Milan; 2003--Gstaad, Rome TMS; 2005--Tennis Masters Cup; 2006--ATP Masters Series Monte Carlo, ATP Masters Series Rome, Dubai, Roland Garros; 2007--ATP Masters Series Monte Carlo, Roland Garros


~~48 won & 15 lost [6-lost to Nadal] = 76%

Mimi
06-12-2007, 04:48 AM
thanks C'mon aussie for the information :worship:

rafa :bowdown: :woohoo: :yippee:

CmonAussie
06-12-2007, 05:06 AM
thanks C'mon aussie for the information :worship:

rafa :bowdown: :woohoo: :yippee:


:wavey:
No worries Mimi:cool:
...

Rafa`s conversion rate in finals is incredible isn`t it:worship: [85%]

Johnny Groove
06-12-2007, 05:07 AM
That is indeed a great stat for Rafa, but he was a bit of a choker in his earlier days, he did lose a few finals in Challengers in 02 and 03 :p

CmonAussie
07-08-2007, 08:28 PM
****
Update [after Wimby 07]

#
NADAL~~ 22-titles/5-finals = 81%
[4-finals lost to FED]


#
FEDERER~~ 49-titles/15-finals = 77%
[6-finals lost to NADAL]

stebs
07-08-2007, 09:38 PM
****
Update [after Wimby 07]

#
NADAL~~ 22-titles/5-finals = 81%
[4-finals lost to FED]


#
FEDERER~~ 49-titles/15-finals = 77%
[6-finals lost to NADAL]

The rivalry was being pushed and had a bandwagon at this point last year and many of the less bandwagonjumpingish posters on this board declared it rubbish but imo there IS a rivalry now. The H-2-H isn't totally one-sided, the rankings are getting closer and the matches are getting better and of a higher quality.

shotgun
07-09-2007, 02:14 AM
Davydenko has a better winning percentage at finals than Federer. He won 10 out of 13 finals played so his percentage is 76,92%, against 76,56% by Federer.

FedFan_2007
07-09-2007, 02:38 AM
Win % in finals is relevant with enough sample size. I'll be curious as to how good Nadal's is after 35-40 finals.

DwyaneWade
07-09-2007, 02:51 AM
Win % in finals is relevant with enough sample size. I'll be curious as to how good Nadal's is after 35-40 finals.

He only needs about 8 more....that's like getting through clay season next year (Stuttgart, maybe Umag, then the South American circuit, then European clay)

BTW, Stebs I saw a few days ago you posted that if Nadal made it through Soderling, Youzhny, Berdych, and either Djokovic and Hewitt it would be one of the most impressive feats you have witnessed. Where do you rank it on the all-time Slam runs when considering he pushed Fed to the limit (only player ever to do so)?

CmonAussie
07-09-2007, 06:05 AM
Davydenko has a better winning percentage at finals than Federer. He won 10 out of 13 finals played so his percentage is 76,92%, against 76,56% by Federer.



:eek:
Good point~~ not!!!:devil:
...
Davydenko is very good in finals but he`s never even played in a big final~~>> so he doesn`t qualify as a `Big Match Player`;)


Please tell me the last time Davydenko made a Slam final:confused: :confused:


Davydenko`s biggest match was the Paris AMS final but even that could be downgraded to MM tourney~~> since neither FED nor RAFA showed up:sad:

stebs
07-09-2007, 02:09 PM
BTW, Stebs I saw a few days ago you posted that if Nadal made it through Soderling, Youzhny, Berdych, and either Djokovic and Hewitt it would be one of the most impressive feats you have witnessed. Where do you rank it on the all-time Slam runs when considering he pushed Fed to the limit (only player ever to do so)?

It was slightly hindered by the fact that Djoko ended up overwhelmed by a load of small injuries and fatigue but other than that I rate it as one of the most phenomenal runs by such an accomplished player. When looking at unlikely runs deep into tournaments it is rare for it to be SUCH a big name because that type of player is being marked out and everyone wants to beat them.

stebs
07-09-2007, 02:09 PM
:eek:
Good point~~ not!!!:devil:
...
Davydenko is very good in finals but he`s never even played in a big final~~>> so he doesn`t qualify as a `Big Match Player`;)


Please tell me the last time Davydenko made a Slam final:confused: :confused:


Davydenko`s biggest match was the Paris AMS final but even that could be downgraded to MM tourney~~> since neither FED nor RAFA showed up:sad:

If you make a category for statistics you can't then change the criterion because you find a reslt you don't like.

CmonAussie
09-10-2007, 09:10 AM
***
Who`s the better big match player in your opinion???


Rafael Nadal
SINGLES CAREER TITLES (23): 2004--Sopot;
2005--Acapulco, ATP Masters Series Canada, ATP Masters Series Madrid, ATP Masters Series Monte Carlo, ATP Masters Series Rome, Barcelona, Bastad, Beijing, Costa Do Sauipe, Roland Garros, Stuttgart;
2006--ATP Masters Series Monte Carlo, ATP Masters Series Rome, Barcelona, Dubai, Roland Garros;
2007--ATP Masters Series Indian Wells, ATP Masters Series Monte Carlo, Barcelona, ATP Masters Series Rome, Roland Garros, Stuttgart
FINALIST (5): 2004--Auckland; 2005--ATP Masters Series Miami; 2006--Wimbledon; 2007--ATP Masters Series Hamburg, Wimbledon
~~~23 won & lost 5 = 82%

++ [4/5 finals Nadal lost were to Fed]



Roger Federer
SINGLES CAREER TITLES (51): 2001--Milan; 2002--Hamburg TMS, Sydney, Vienna; 2003--Dubai, Halle, Marseille, Munich, Tennis Masters Cup, Vienna, Wimbledon; 2004--Australian Open, Bangkok, Canada AMS, Dubai, Gstaad, Halle, Hamburg AMS, Indian Wells AMS, Tennis Masters Cup, US Open, Wimbledon; 2005--ATP Masters Series Cincinnati, ATP Masters Series Hamburg, ATP Masters Series Indian Wells, ATP Masters Series Miami, Bangkok, Doha, Dubai, Halle, Rotterdam, US Open, Wimbledon; 2006--ATP Masters Series Canada, ATP Masters Series Indian Wells, ATP Masters Series Madrid, ATP Masters Series Miami, Australian Open, Basel, Doha, Halle, Tennis Masters Cup, Tokyo, US Open, Wimbledon; 2007--Australian Open, Dubai, ATP Masters Series Hamburg, Wimbledon, ATP Masters Series Cincinatti, US Open

FINALIST (16): 2000--Basel, Marseille; 2001--Basel, Rotterdam; 2002--Miami TMS, Milan; 2003--Gstaad, Rome TMS; 2005--Tennis Masters Cup; 2006--ATP Masters Series Monte Carlo, ATP Masters Series Rome, Dubai, Roland Garros; 2007--ATP Masters Series Monte Carlo, Roland Garros, ATP Masters Series Canada

~~51 won & 16 lost [6-lost to Nadal] = 76%

rwn
09-10-2007, 11:56 AM
***
Who`s the better big match player in your opinion???


Rafael Nadal
SINGLES CAREER TITLES (23): 2004--Sopot;
2005--Acapulco, ATP Masters Series Canada, ATP Masters Series Madrid, ATP Masters Series Monte Carlo, ATP Masters Series Rome, Barcelona, Bastad, Beijing, Costa Do Sauipe, Roland Garros, Stuttgart;
2006--ATP Masters Series Monte Carlo, ATP Masters Series Rome, Barcelona, Dubai, Roland Garros;
2007--ATP Masters Series Indian Wells, ATP Masters Series Monte Carlo, Barcelona, ATP Masters Series Rome, Roland Garros, Stuttgart
FINALIST (5): 2004--Auckland; 2005--ATP Masters Series Miami; 2006--Wimbledon; 2007--ATP Masters Series Hamburg, Wimbledon
~~~23 won & lost 5 = 82%

++ [4/5 finals Nadal lost were to Fed]



Roger Federer
SINGLES CAREER TITLES (51): 2001--Milan; 2002--Hamburg TMS, Sydney, Vienna; 2003--Dubai, Halle, Marseille, Munich, Tennis Masters Cup, Vienna, Wimbledon; 2004--Australian Open, Bangkok, Canada AMS, Dubai, Gstaad, Halle, Hamburg AMS, Indian Wells AMS, Tennis Masters Cup, US Open, Wimbledon; 2005--ATP Masters Series Cincinnati, ATP Masters Series Hamburg, ATP Masters Series Indian Wells, ATP Masters Series Miami, Bangkok, Doha, Dubai, Halle, Rotterdam, US Open, Wimbledon; 2006--ATP Masters Series Canada, ATP Masters Series Indian Wells, ATP Masters Series Madrid, ATP Masters Series Miami, Australian Open, Basel, Doha, Halle, Tennis Masters Cup, Tokyo, US Open, Wimbledon; 2007--Australian Open, Dubai, ATP Masters Series Hamburg, Wimbledon, ATP Masters Series Cincinatti, US Open

FINALIST (16): 2000--Basel, Marseille; 2001--Basel, Rotterdam; 2002--Miami TMS, Milan; 2003--Gstaad, Rome TMS; 2005--Tennis Masters Cup; 2006--ATP Masters Series Monte Carlo, ATP Masters Series Rome, Dubai, Roland Garros; 2007--ATP Masters Series Monte Carlo, Roland Garros, ATP Masters Series Canada

~~51 won & 16 lost [6-lost to Nadal] = 76%

Hard to say. Let's wait until Nadal makes Grand Slam finals on hardcourt.

CmonAussie
09-10-2007, 01:19 PM
Hard to say. Let's wait until Nadal makes Grand Slam finals on hardcourt.


:wavey:
quite possible that Nadal will never make a slam final on hardcourt:eek:
*remember I`m not asking who`s the best all surface player;)

I still think Rafa`s perhaps a better big match player:cool: , but Roger`s record is hard to argue with:worship:

bandabou
09-10-2007, 01:27 PM
Lots of clay in Nadal's record..in fact away from clay he has a losing record in finals...whereas Roger has won pretty much everywhere.

CmonAussie
09-10-2007, 05:05 PM
Lots of clay in Nadal's record..in fact away from clay he has a losing record in finals...whereas Roger has won pretty much everywhere.


You`re wrong with both your points:p

Nadal`s record away from clay in finals is 5-won & 4-lost
Won:
2005 AMS-Canada, AMS-Madrid, Beijing
2006 Dubai
2007 AMS-Indian Wells

Lost:
2004 Auckland
2005 AMS-Miami
2006 Wimbledon
2007 Wimbledon


Meanwhile Federer has a losing record on clay~ 7-won & 7-lost
Won:
2002 AMS-Hamburg
2003 Munich
2004 AMS-Hamburg, Gstaad
2005 AMS-Hamburg
2007 AMS-Hamburg

Lost:
2003 AMS-Rome, Gstaad
2006 AMS-Monte Carlo, AMS-Rome, French Open
2007 AMS-Monte Carlo, French Open

rwn
09-10-2007, 05:35 PM
:wavey:
quite possible that Nadal will never make a slam final on hardcourt:eek:
*remember I`m not asking who`s the best all surface player;)


I know. This shows to me that a fair comparison will possibly never be possible.

[/QUOTE] I still think Rafa`s perhaps a better big match player:cool: , but Roger`s record is hard to argue with:worship:[/QUOTE]

Nadal almost never loses finals on clay. Federer almost never loses finals off clay. So, for me it's about equal.

rwn
09-10-2007, 05:41 PM
You`re wrong with both your points:p

Nadal`s record away from clay in finals is 5-won & 4-lost
Won:
2005 AMS-Canada, AMS-Madrid, Beijing
2006 Dubai
2007 AMS-Indian Wells

Lost:
2004 Auckland
2005 AMS-Miami
2006 Wimbledon
2007 Wimbledon


Meanwhile Federer has a losing record on clay~ 7-won & 7-lost
Won:
2002 AMS-Hamburg
2003 Munich
2004 AMS-Hamburg, Gstaad
2005 AMS-Hamburg
2007 AMS-Hamburg

Lost:
2003 AMS-Rome, Gstaad
2006 AMS-Monte Carlo, AMS-Rome, French Open
2007 AMS-Monte Carlo, French Open

Finals on clay : Nadal - Federer 5-1
Finals off clay: Federer - Nadal 3-1

Not enough data to draw a conclusion from.

R.Federer
09-10-2007, 07:02 PM
Gaudio is among the best 1/1=100%! :yeah:

As is Tojo and Costa and some others.

CmonAussie
10-16-2007, 05:17 PM
***
oh i guess it`s worth mentioning that PMK has an impressive record in finals!

Davydenko`s finals winning %:
11-won & 3-lost = 79%



*Note though that PMK has never played in a significant final, other than Paris AMS last year, when FED & RAFA etc. didn`t show up!.. Basically Davydenko is the king of MM titles!

stebs
10-16-2007, 06:37 PM
***
oh i guess it`s worth mentioning that PMK has an impressive record in finals!

Davydenko`s finals winning %:
11-won & 3-lost = 79%



*Note though that PMK has never played in a significant final, other than Paris AMS last year, when FED & RAFA etc. didn`t show up!.. Basically Davydenko is the king of MM titles!

Thing with PMK is that he doesn't reach the finals against the top player and unless his game is on, because it is so hit and miss, he loses earlier than finals in MM. This means that when he reaches MM finals he is on good form and so he usually wins them.

Marek.
11-20-2007, 06:21 AM
bump

I found it a bit interesting that both Fed and Nadal won "only" 67% of their finals in 07.

CmonAussie
11-20-2007, 07:04 AM
bump

I found it a bit interesting that both Fed and Nadal won "only" 67% of their finals in 07.


:wavey:
:cool:
thanks for the bump Marek:D
>>>>
yeah i agree with you, it`s interesting that both FED & RAFA seem to have begun a trend of losing finals more often in 2007~~ maybe it`s harder for them to stay motivated for the smaller titles [not that they`ve achieved so much in their careers]:devil: :confused:

particularly surprising was FED losing Montreal to Djokovic & Madrid to Nalby whilst being in a winning position in both matches:eek:

also RAFA`s performance in the Paris final was probably the worst of his career:sad:

###
Djokovic is showing signs of being an impressive `big match player`[despite USO final choke]!

*NOLE`s finals winning %:
7-won & 3-lost = 70%

#FED`s finals winning %:
53-won & 17-lost = 76%

*RAFA`s finals winning %:
23-won & 6-lost = 79%


...
so can FED & RAFA maintain their incredible winning %`s ??
~~is NOLE the future, will he choke again when he reaches a slam final next time??

Kuhne
11-20-2007, 03:10 PM
The answer to this is easy, Rafa either sucks or doesn't, if he is playing good enough to make a final, then he'll probably take it but if he is strugling in the tournament he wont even make the semifinals, while Federer can be sucking in a tourney but still manage to make the final, so federers record is more impresive

CmonAussie
11-21-2007, 01:45 AM
The answer to this is easy, Rafa either sucks or doesn't, if he is playing good enough to make a final, then he'll probably take it but if he is strugling in the tournament he wont even make the semifinals, while Federer can be sucking in a tourney but still manage to make the final, so federers record is more impresive


:wavey:
interesting that FED & RAFA have played 5-set finals three times & FED has won 2/3 of those:eek:

2005 Miami final: Fed def. Rafa in 5-sets
2006 Rome final: Rafa def. Fed in 5-sets
2007 Wimbledon final: Fed def. Rafa in 5-sets

>>>
of course both of Fed`s wins came on surfaces that suit his game more than Rafa`s [though Miami is arguably neutral];)

also those two 5-set finals that FED won are the only 5-set finals he`s won in his career:eek:
moreover FED should have taken the Rome final as well, but he choked away a couple of match points:eek:

TennisGrandSlam
11-21-2007, 02:16 AM
Rafa only lost to FED or FED-killa (Hrbaty, Nalby) in the Finals. :devil:

It means that less people can win Rafa in Finals. :eek:

CmonAussie
11-21-2007, 10:04 AM
Rafa only lost to FED or FED-killa (Hrbaty, Nalby) in the Finals. :devil:

It means that less people can win Rafa in Finals. :eek:


RAFA has certainly pulled out some dramatic wins in finals, especially Rome 05 [vs.Coria], Madrid 05 [vs.Ljubic], & Rome 06 [vs.Federer] come to mind:worship:

Nadal likes a fight to the limit:devil:

stebs
11-21-2007, 11:44 AM
of course both of Fed`s wins came on surfaces that suit his game more than Rafa`s [though Miami is arguably neutral];)

There isn't any truly neutral surface but Miami is probably the most neutral Slam/AMS event there is for them except possibly Hamburg.

Rogiman
01-07-2008, 01:42 PM
Another loss in a final for Rafa :sad:

ReturnWinner
01-07-2008, 01:54 PM
Nadal now 76.6% and Federer pretty close at 75.7%, anyway Federer is way more impressive as he has disputed 40 more finals

CmonAussie
01-14-2008, 02:05 PM
Another loss in a final for Rafa :sad:

...
also RAFA has lost 4/6 finals since May last year:

*Hamburg final-- lost
*FO final-- won
*Wimbledon final-- lost
*Stuttgart final-- won
*Paris final-- lost
*Chennai final-- lost
:eek:

CmonAussie
01-14-2008, 02:07 PM
NADAL`s record:

SINGLES CAREER TITLES (23): 2004--Sopot;
2005--Acapulco, ATP Masters Series Canada, ATP Masters Series Madrid, ATP Masters Series Monte Carlo, ATP Masters Series Rome, Barcelona, Bastad, Beijing, Costa Do Sauipe, Roland Garros, Stuttgart;
2006--ATP Masters Series Monte Carlo, ATP Masters Series Rome, Barcelona, Dubai, Roland Garros;
2007--ATP Masters Series Indian Wells, ATP Masters Series Monte Carlo, Barcelona, ATP Masters Series Rome, Roland Garros, Stuttgart

FINALIST (7): 2004--Auckland; 2005--ATP Masters Series Miami; 2006--Wimbledon; 2007--ATP Masters Series Hamburg, Wimbledon, ATP Masters Series Paris; 2008--Chennai

~~~23 won & lost 7 = 77%


FED`s record:

SINGLES CAREER TITLES (53): 2001--Milan; 2002--Hamburg TMS, Sydney, Vienna; 2003--Dubai, Halle, Marseille, Munich, Tennis Masters Cup, Vienna, Wimbledon; 2004--Australian Open, Bangkok, Canada AMS, Dubai, Gstaad, Halle, Hamburg AMS, Indian Wells AMS, Tennis Masters Cup, US Open, Wimbledon; 2005--ATP Masters Series Cincinnati, ATP Masters Series Hamburg, ATP Masters Series Indian Wells, ATP Masters Series Miami, Bangkok, Doha, Dubai, Halle, Rotterdam, US Open, Wimbledon; 2006--ATP Masters Series Canada, ATP Masters Series Indian Wells, ATP Masters Series Madrid, ATP Masters Series Miami, Australian Open, Basel, Doha, Halle, Tennis Masters Cup, Tokyo, US Open, Wimbledon; 2007--Australian Open, Dubai, ATP Masters Series Hamburg, Wimbledon, ATP Masters Series Cincinatti, US Open, Basel, Tennis Masters Cup

FINALIST (17): 2000--Basel, Marseille; 2001--Basel, Rotterdam; 2002--Miami TMS, Milan; 2003--Gstaad, Rome TMS; 2005--Tennis Masters Cup; 2006--ATP Masters Series Monte Carlo, ATP Masters Series Rome, Dubai, Roland Garros; 2007--ATP Masters Series Monte Carlo, Roland Garros, ATP Masters Series Canada, ATP Masters Series Madrid


~~53 won & 17 lost [6-lost to Nadal] = 76%

Sean
01-15-2008, 12:52 AM
NADAL`s record:

SINGLES CAREER TITLES (23): 2004--Sopot;
2005--Acapulco, ATP Masters Series Canada, ATP Masters Series Madrid, ATP Masters Series Monte Carlo, ATP Masters Series Rome, Barcelona, Bastad, Beijing, Costa Do Sauipe, Roland Garros, Stuttgart;
2006--ATP Masters Series Monte Carlo, ATP Masters Series Rome, Barcelona, Dubai, Roland Garros;
2007--ATP Masters Series Indian Wells, ATP Masters Series Monte Carlo, Barcelona, ATP Masters Series Rome, Roland Garros, Stuttgart

FINALIST (7): 2004--Auckland; 2005--ATP Masters Series Miami; 2006--Wimbledon; 2007--ATP Masters Series Hamburg, Wimbledon, ATP Masters Series Paris; 2008--Chennai

~~~23 won & lost 7 = 77%


FED`s record:

SINGLES CAREER TITLES (53): 2001--Milan; 2002--Hamburg TMS, Sydney, Vienna; 2003--Dubai, Halle, Marseille, Munich, Tennis Masters Cup, Vienna, Wimbledon; 2004--Australian Open, Bangkok, Canada AMS, Dubai, Gstaad, Halle, Hamburg AMS, Indian Wells AMS, Tennis Masters Cup, US Open, Wimbledon; 2005--ATP Masters Series Cincinnati, ATP Masters Series Hamburg, ATP Masters Series Indian Wells, ATP Masters Series Miami, Bangkok, Doha, Dubai, Halle, Rotterdam, US Open, Wimbledon; 2006--ATP Masters Series Canada, ATP Masters Series Indian Wells, ATP Masters Series Madrid, ATP Masters Series Miami, Australian Open, Basel, Doha, Halle, Tennis Masters Cup, Tokyo, US Open, Wimbledon; 2007--Australian Open, Dubai, ATP Masters Series Hamburg, Wimbledon, ATP Masters Series Cincinatti, US Open, Basel, Tennis Masters Cup

FINALIST (17): 2000--Basel, Marseille; 2001--Basel, Rotterdam; 2002--Miami TMS, Milan; 2003--Gstaad, Rome TMS; 2005--Tennis Masters Cup; 2006--ATP Masters Series Monte Carlo, ATP Masters Series Rome, Dubai, Roland Garros; 2007--ATP Masters Series Monte Carlo, Roland Garros, ATP Masters Series Canada, ATP Masters Series Madrid


~~53 won & 17 lost [6-lost to Nadal] = 76%



:worship: Fed. Nadal wont even reach 53 finals to begin with.

CmonAussie
04-07-2008, 05:46 AM
BUMP


*@@*...RAFA is slowly losing his aura in finals:><;

After Rome last year Nadal`s amazing finals record stood @ 21-won/3-lost = 88%
Now 10-months later Rafa has lost several finals: so he`s @ 23-won/8-lost = 74%

Sjengster
04-07-2008, 05:52 AM
Bearing in mind Davydenko is equal with Mathieu for the best record in finals among active players, I don't think it's the most important stat out there to determine a great player.

Metis
04-07-2008, 05:56 AM
BUMP


*@@*...RAFA is slowly losing his aura in finals:><;

After Rome last year Nadal`s amazing finals record stood @ 22-won/3-lost = 88%
Now 10-months later Rafa has lost several finals: so he`s @ 23-won/8-lost = 74%



Didn't he win 2 finals after Rome?:scratch: Not that it makes much difference...

CmonAussie
04-07-2008, 05:58 AM
Didn't he win 2 finals after Rome?:scratch: Not that it makes much difference...

oh yeah, sorry i made a slight mistake;)
i`ll rectify it now.

its.like.that
04-07-2008, 06:07 AM
oh yeah, sorry i made a slight mistake;)
i`ll rectify it now.

good girl :)

General Suburbia
04-07-2008, 06:15 AM
Law of averages or something like that. After such an amazing run, it was bound to happen sometime for Rafa.

CmonAussie
04-07-2008, 06:22 AM
good girl :)

not a girl:(
...
don`t make assumptions, for instance you wouldn`t want me confusing you with dung beetle would you:p

JimmyV
04-07-2008, 06:25 AM
That percentage will get higher come the end of this clay season.

Metis
04-07-2008, 06:36 AM
not a girl:(
...
don`t make assumptions, for instance you wouldn`t want me confusing you with dung beetle would you:p

Wow, is being confused with a woman so offensive then? :rolleyes:


Anyway:

HC finals reached in 2004 = 1
HC finals reached in 2005 = 4
HC finals reached in 2006 = 1
HC finals reached in 2007 = 2
HC finals reached in 2008 = 2 (so far)

:)

CmonAussie
04-07-2008, 06:43 AM
Wow, is being confused with a woman so offensive then? :rolleyes:

:)

:wavey:
Metis- you`re cool:cool:
...
this is just an issue between `its.like.that` & me;)
he/she is always being offensive in my threads & this time his/her comment "good girl" was a subtle put down ["good boy" would be equally offensive]:(.
>>>
the issue is not gender but rather `its.like.that`[history of nastiness] being a patronising moron as usual:sad:

Metis
04-07-2008, 06:48 AM
:wavey:
Metis- you`re cool:cool:
...
this is just an issue between `its.like.that` & me;)
he/she is always being offensive in my threads & this time his/her comment "good girl" was a subtle put down ["good boy" would be equally offensive]:(.
>>>
the issue is not gender but rather `its.like.that`[history of nastiness] being a patronising moron as usual:sad:

I see. No problem then. :)

The Pro
04-07-2008, 09:27 AM
The clay season will up Rafa's record again. Pity he lost to Kolya though...

Mansave_75
04-07-2008, 02:36 PM
I expect an increase on his % when clay season starts for Rafa. If not he should retire!

gnaz
04-07-2008, 03:15 PM
BUMP


*@@*...RAFA is slowly losing his aura in finals:><;

After Rome last year Nadal`s amazing finals record stood @ 21-won/3-lost = 88%
Now 10-months later Rafa has lost several finals: so he`s @ 23-won/8-lost = 74%


:eek::eek::eek::sad::sad::sad:

Sjengster
04-07-2008, 03:50 PM
:wavey:
Metis- you`re cool:cool:
...
this is just an issue between `its.like.that` & me;)
he/she is always being offensive in my threads & this time his/her comment "good girl" was a subtle put down ["good boy" would be equally offensive]:(.
>>>
the issue is not gender but rather `its.like.that`[history of nastiness] being a patronising moron as usual:sad:

Yes, I believe your point is that itslikethat would be easy to confuse with a dung beetle, in the same way he believes you to be easily confused with a girl. No disrespect to the female gender intended.

CmonAussie
04-07-2008, 04:59 PM
Yes, I believe your point is that itslikethat would be easy to confuse with a dung beetle, in the same way he believes you to be easily confused with a girl. No disrespect to the female gender intended.

:wavey:
cheers Sjengster:cool:
...
you`re one of the good people on MTF:angel:

Apemant
04-07-2008, 06:11 PM
:wavey:
cheers Sjengster:cool:
...
you`re one of the good people on MTF:angel:

Errrr... :devil:


The problem with Sjengster is that even when he's nasty, most ppl usually don't quite catch it. ;)

Sjengster
04-07-2008, 06:58 PM
Errrr... :devil:


The problem with Sjengster is that even when he's nasty, most ppl usually don't quite catch it. ;)

No, no - I said itslikethat believes CmonAussie to be easily confused with a girl. I'm not endorsing that opinion myself. :p

CmonAussie
04-07-2008, 07:39 PM
Errrr... :devil:

The problem with Sjengster is that even when he's nasty, most ppl usually don't quite catch it. ;)

Hey Apemant<:)

Well i`ll just have to give Sjengster the benefit of the doubt;)
I`ve never seen him/her say anything particularly mean spirited:cool:

...
On the other hand `its.like.that` & Xristos are complete moron wankers (in my opinion):devil:

CmonAussie
04-20-2008, 10:53 PM
<>~~~~~~<>~~~~~~~<>~~~~~~~
.....
FED moves to 54/17 = 76% (in finals)!

FedFan_2007
04-21-2008, 12:07 AM
Now Fed is best active finals %, since beating Donkey dropped him to 75%(12-4).

groundstroke
04-21-2008, 12:30 AM
Davydenko being called donkey.. hahahah.

CmonAussie
04-27-2008, 04:04 PM
...
~~~
so RAFA & FED have both won exactly 75% of the the finals they`ve contested!!!
~~~
[54/18 for FED, & 24/8 for RAFA]

dragons112
05-17-2008, 05:35 PM
most of his finals are on clay. so stop talking him up like he is in Roger's company.

DDrago2
05-17-2008, 05:36 PM
Yes but the problem is Nadal doesn't reach finals outside of clay that often

TheSwissMaster
05-17-2008, 06:46 PM
bcz most of his finals have comeon on clay where if he even holds a 100% record isnt going to be a surprise. as simple as that. outside clay he rarely reaches finals and when he does he gets thrashed.examples chennai open, paris, miami.

maskedmuffin
05-18-2008, 05:43 PM
nadal is the best big match clay player
federer is the best big match grass, hard ,and indoor player

thats how it stands between the two

Marek.
05-18-2008, 05:49 PM
Fed still has a better record in GS finals, and that's all that counts. :D :p :D

CmonAussie
06-08-2008, 05:01 PM
...
~~~
...
#Roger & Rafael have met 13 times in finals: with FED winning 4 & RAFA winning 9:


2005 Miami final: FED def. RAFA
2006 Dubai final: RAFA def. FED
2006 Monte Carlo final: RAFA def. FED
2006 Rome final: RAFA def. FED
2006 French Open final: RAFA def. FED
2006 Wimbledon final: FED def. RAFA
2007 Monte Carlo final: RAFA def. FED
2007 Hamburg final: FED def. RAFA
2007 French Open final: RAFA def. FED
2007 Wimbledon final: FED def. RAFA
2008 Monte Carlo final: RAFA def. FED
2008 Hamburg final: RAFA def. FED
2008 French Open final: RAFA def. FED

maskedmuffin
06-08-2008, 05:03 PM
best big match clay player = nadal =goat on clay


thats bout all you can take away from these statistics

oh..and roger has no belief on clay against rafa

CmonAussie
06-15-2008, 05:11 PM
best big match clay player = nadal =goat on clay


thats bout all you can take away from these statistics

oh..and roger has no belief on clay against rafa


...
:wavey:
now that RAFA has just taken out Karlovic, Roddick & Djokovic in successive matches on GRASS your statement doesn`t look so smart:p


BTW,
both FED & RAFA improve their finals win/loss % ratios this week:

FED @ 55 won/20 lost = 73%
RAFA @ 28 won/8 lost = 78%

jcempire
06-15-2008, 05:45 PM
That's outstanding

Great job

CmonAussie
07-06-2008, 05:19 PM
...
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i`m going to say something outlandish right now:: RAFA is a better big match player than FED!

kafemotor
07-06-2008, 06:09 PM
wait till the match ends buddy

finishingmove
07-27-2008, 02:22 AM
will rafael nadal lose to nicolas kiefer on sunday? :cool:

Mimi
07-28-2008, 04:11 AM
:woohoo::dance::hug: thanks a lot ComonAussie ...
RAFA`s impressive record in finals keeps getting better!!
30 won & 8 lost = 79%

l_mac
02-05-2009, 10:50 PM
*bump*

Update please :D

Mimi
02-06-2009, 03:34 AM
thanks a lot C'mon Aussies, both are really great in finals :worship::D

Corey Feldman
02-06-2009, 03:37 AM
little shit still had to lose to Davydenko in 2008 Miami final didnt he, when i bet him to win

CmonAussie
02-06-2009, 03:41 AM
thanks a lot C'mon Aussies, both are really great in finals :worship::D

always welcome mimi:cool:

CmonAussie
02-06-2009, 03:43 AM
little shit still had to lose to Davydenko in 2008 Miami final didnt he, when i bet him to win

:eek:
actually its quite amazing to think that Davydenko could thrash Nadal so badly in the Miami final, yet Rafa goes on to beat `hardcourt king - Fed` in the AO final:eek:

cmurray
02-06-2009, 03:52 AM
:eek:
actually its quite amazing to think that Davydenko could thrash Nadal so badly in the Miami final, yet Rafa goes on to beat `hardcourt king - Fed` in the AO final:eek:

He was playing WAY better in Melbourne than he did in Miami.

kingfederer
04-20-2009, 07:19 AM
this site has good tennis stats!
http://www.tennis28.com/

vamosinator
04-20-2009, 08:02 AM
This is a good thread its chronicalled the rise of the GOAT very well.

CmonAussie
05-04-2009, 03:12 AM
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<>
RAFA the defending FO, Wimby, AO, Olympic & Rome champion [5/6 most prestigous titles].
Wins 15th Masters Series title.
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***Nadal improves his finals record to 36 won & 9 lost = 80%

miura
05-17-2009, 02:53 AM
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CmonAussie
05-17-2009, 05:15 PM
>>>
FED vs RAFA finals::


2009 ATP Masters Series Madrid
Spain Clay F Federer 6-4 6-4

2009 Australian Open
Australia Hard F Nadal 7-5 3-6 7-6(3) 3-6 6-2

2008 Wimbledon
Great Britain Grass F Nadal 6-4 6-4 6-7(5) 6-7(8) 9-7

2008 Roland Garros
France Clay F Nadal 6-1 6-3 6-0

2008 ATP Masters Series Hamburg
Germany Clay F Nadal 7-5 6-7(3) 6-3

2008 ATP Masters Series Monte Carlo
Monaco Clay F Nadal 7-5 7-5

2007 Wimbledon
Great Britain Grass F Federer 7-6(7) 4-6 7-6(3) 2-6 6-2

2007 Roland Garros
France Clay F Nadal 6-3 4-6 6-3 6-4

2007 ATP Masters Series Hamburg
Germany Clay F Federer 2-6 6-2 6-0

2007 ATP Masters Series Monte Carlo
Monaco Clay F Nadal 6-4 6-4

2006 Wimbledon
England Grass F Federer 6-0 7-6(5) 6-7(2) 6-3

2006 Roland Garros
France Clay F Nadal 1-6 6-1 6-4 7-6(4)

2006 ATP Masters Series Rome
Italy Clay F Nadal 6-7(0) 7-6(5) 6-4 2-6 7-6(5)

2006 ATP Masters Series Monte Carlo
Monaco Clay F Nadal 6-2 6-7(2) 6-3 7-6(5)

2006 Dubai
U.A.E. Hard F Nadal 2-6 6-4 6-4

2005 ATP Masters Series Miami
FL, U.S.A. Hard F Federer 2-6 6-7(4) 7-6(5) 6-3 6-1