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Rafa = Fed Killa
03-18-2007, 08:47 PM
Vamos RAFA!

The drought is over.

Perfect SPARTAN tennis

Rafa :worship:

FluffyYellowBall
03-18-2007, 08:48 PM
the match is still on

CyBorg
03-18-2007, 08:49 PM
Keep your pants on, fan boy.

adelaide
03-18-2007, 08:49 PM
it's over now! ;)

he needed this badly. I am sooo relieved... :banana:

sondraj06
03-18-2007, 08:49 PM
Oh no it's over baby

Bilbo
03-18-2007, 08:49 PM
expected win by rafa :yeah:

Mechlan
03-18-2007, 08:49 PM
Congrats, well played by Nadal.

zicofirol
03-18-2007, 08:49 PM
I guess the match was best of 3, that sucks...

sondraj06
03-18-2007, 08:50 PM
Keep your pants on, fan boy.

Maybe you should take yours off and let rafa spank it a couple of times for you

richie21
03-18-2007, 08:50 PM
Nole looked in control the whole match but still Rafa prevailed somehow....:devil:

FluffyYellowBall
03-18-2007, 08:50 PM
didnt look like a final but YAY!! Totaly outplayed and dissappointed it wasnt best of 5

Horatio Caine
03-18-2007, 08:50 PM
Nice win Rafa! :bigclap:

silverwhite
03-18-2007, 08:50 PM
Never in doubt

Björki
03-18-2007, 08:51 PM
congrats to Rafa :clap2:

Nole :hug:

sondraj06
03-18-2007, 08:51 PM
Yeah the announcers said he doens't want to hear anymore about rafa not being able to play on hardcourts and neither do I.

Vamosss

Yappa
03-18-2007, 08:51 PM
Well, at least Djokovic let him work for it in the 2nd set. Congrats.

cmurray
03-18-2007, 08:51 PM
It feels like its been FOREVER. sigh.

:)

Jlee
03-18-2007, 08:51 PM
Impressive that Nole was able to get back into it that way. I thought he might be done after that first set but he made the second set more interesting.

Congrats to Nadal on the overdue title finally :yeah:

savesthedizzle
03-18-2007, 08:51 PM
Well done Rafa :) The second set was much closer once Novak got over his nerves. It's a pity he couldn't capitalize on the chances he got on Nadal's serve in the second set.

Oh well :) There will be other times.

So congrats to Rafa.

And hurrah that the dancing Rasta can stop now. :p

Sharad1982
03-18-2007, 08:51 PM
Much needed title for Nadal, great confidence builder i hope!

Bad Religion
03-18-2007, 08:51 PM
Enhorabuena Campeón :worship: :bowdown:


A por más títulos .

Naide
03-18-2007, 08:51 PM
vamoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooos

Alonsofz
03-18-2007, 08:51 PM
Vamos Rafa!! :rocker2:

PS: Now Adam (adee-gee), please remove your signature :p:p:p:p:p

CyBorg
03-18-2007, 08:52 PM
Maybe you should take yours off and let rafa spank it a couple of times for you

Gladly. I'm a big fan of his!

atheneglaukopis
03-18-2007, 08:52 PM
:woohoo: Congratulations to Rafa!

stebs
03-18-2007, 08:52 PM
Nice victory for Nadal. Djokovic really threw it away with the DF at 15-30 in the 11th game of the second set. Nadal was unlikely to miss both BP's. Anyway, Nadal was the better player today and Djokovic really gave himself a tough task by playing so poorly for the first 4 games. Nadal did play well though and he put Djokovic under pressure with the Serbian couldn't take. He didn't really serve well enough to win against a Nadal playing as well as this.

:rolleyes: Why start the thread before the match was over? You can wait a few seconds can't you.

sondraj06
03-18-2007, 08:52 PM
Nole looked in control the whole match but still Rafa prevailed somehow....:devil:

Yeah that's pushing it, Rafa didn't play up to pair no doubt but to say nole was in control the whole match what were you watching

kobulingam
03-18-2007, 08:53 PM
Good win for Nadal. Now I hope he skips Miam or DC. Don't play both of those before MC.

jazar
03-18-2007, 08:53 PM
nole was obviously in complete control and would have had it, had it been best of 5.

anyway, congrats rafa. may this bring about the start of an even longer drought

Rafa = Fed Killa
03-18-2007, 08:53 PM
Yeah the announcers said he doens't want to hear anymore about rafa not being able to play on hardcourts and neither do I.

Vamosss

Damn Right :D

VAMOS RAFA!

Dexter_1986
03-18-2007, 08:53 PM
Nole :sad:

I thought it should be best of 5? :scratch: Congrats Rafael, nonetheless.

justClaudia
03-18-2007, 08:53 PM
Rafa! :banana:

Welcome to the top 10 Novak, and congrats for the great run here. :)

CyBorg
03-18-2007, 08:54 PM
The clay court season will be great.

Confident Nadal v a slightly peeved off Roger (after losing to Canas I'm sure). But of course de Villiers had to screw it up by making the Rome final the best of three, effectively robbing us of a surefire classic match.

Regardless, I can't wait.

tripb19
03-18-2007, 08:54 PM
I wish it had been closer, fizzer in difficulty and length, but:

VAMOS!

sondraj06
03-18-2007, 08:54 PM
Where's is adee Yeah

stop dancing Rasta

But all props to Nole, he played great second set by pushing him

Nole is way better than Murray, sorry murray fans

MariaV
03-18-2007, 08:55 PM
No piggy roasting tonight for Ron & Co. :awww:

A_Skywalker
03-18-2007, 08:56 PM
Vamossssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss ssssss

Rafa = Fed Killa
03-18-2007, 08:56 PM
Djoko congrats on becoming top ten.
Djoke and Murray are both great.

The top 3 in 2 years.

1) Nadal
2 and 3) Murray and Djokovic

Federer1
03-18-2007, 08:56 PM
DID ANYBODY ELSE hear djokovic say "fuck him"?

new-york
03-18-2007, 08:57 PM
i like them both but that would have been amazing for Nole.:sad:

anyway, glad Rafa gets another title.

martine2
03-18-2007, 08:57 PM
YEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS! He's back!

Congrats! Good match!

Nole played a great 2nd set too

sondraj06
03-18-2007, 08:57 PM
nole was obviously in complete control and would have had it, had it been best of 5.

anyway, congrats rafa. may this bring about the start of an even longer drought

O.k anymore comments like this and everyone who knows anything about tennis should start a removal clause to this board. For anyone who doesn't watch a match and make comment such as this one.

He pushed Rafa but totally in control, no

And have you not been watching tennis long, have you seen rafa in a 5 setter, nole looked like he was ready to qill over in a 3 setter that only went 2, get real

Yappa
03-18-2007, 08:57 PM
Becker present at the trophy ceremony. Probably because he was the last teenager who won the IW title. Djokovic could have succeeded him.

Voo de Mar
03-18-2007, 08:58 PM
:( I expected something more from Djoković.

Regenbogen
03-18-2007, 08:58 PM
Nice job Nadal :yeah:

Finally another title.

mallorn
03-18-2007, 08:58 PM
About.Bloody.Time. :lol:

Congrats Rafa. :bigclap: The second set was a bit shaky, but he's winning the big points again. :yeah:

Rafa was so happy he first fell on his back and then went on his knees. :p Very nice hug at the net. :D

Naide
03-18-2007, 08:58 PM
:sobbing: im so happy

CyBorg
03-18-2007, 08:58 PM
Becker present at the trophy ceremony. Probably because he was the last teenager who won the IW title. Djokovic could have succeeded him.

Becker's the coolest.

Speech!

ezekiel
03-18-2007, 09:00 PM
very bad start but after 4-0 it was a very good match. Nole had his chances and made some uncharacteristic errors but surelly a good learning experience and let me state it that these 2 will be a future rivalry , the very best of anyone under 25 and still so young.

Too bad it was best of 3 , it was just starting to warmup :rolleyes:

Yappa
03-18-2007, 09:01 PM
Djokovic: "When my mother was giving me the milk, I was watching Becker winning Wimbledon". :lol: :yeah:

Jaap
03-18-2007, 09:01 PM
Expected result.

Djokovic sucks when he actually comes up against a good player who is playing well.

Chloe le Bopper
03-18-2007, 09:01 PM
Djoko congrats on becoming top ten.
Djoke and Murray are both great.

The top 3 in 2 years.

1) Nadal
2 and 3) Murray and Djokovic
Federer is retiring in the next few years?

richie21
03-18-2007, 09:01 PM
Yeah that's pushing it, Rafa didn't play up to pair no doubt but to say nole was in control the whole match what were you watching

i was just being ironic.;)
Djokovic said after his straight set loss against Nadal at FO last year that he felt always in control of the match lol

Burrow
03-18-2007, 09:01 PM
djokovic was so close to clinching the break in the second, hes a good sport, smiles whether he wins or loses, thats the way it should be.

Allure
03-18-2007, 09:01 PM
Novak Djokovic showed some flashes of talent but is still too ''green'' against an experience player.

A_Skywalker
03-18-2007, 09:01 PM
I am so happy, I waited for this more than 9 months .He surely plays better now than the last 7-8 months. Vamos once again !

savesthedizzle
03-18-2007, 09:02 PM
Djokovic: "When my mother was giving me the milk, I was watching Becker winning Wimbledon". :lol: :yeah:

:rolls:

Of course ESPN talked over his speech and didn't show it :p

Jaap
03-18-2007, 09:02 PM
very bad start but after 4-0 it was a very good match. Nole had his chances and made some uncharacteristic errors but surelly a good learning experience and let me state it that these 2 will be a future rivalry , the very best of anyone under 25 and still so young.

Too bad it was best of 3 , it was just starting to warmup :rolleyes:

It won't be a rivalry as Nadal will beat him every time. Murray and Gasquet gave Nadal much harder matches.

mallorn
03-18-2007, 09:02 PM
Watching the match on the tiny bwin screen with out-of-synch German commentary was a treat. :haha: Thanks Polsat Sport for delayed coverage. :ras:

Fed Express
03-18-2007, 09:02 PM
Oh well, it's about time... 10 months after his last title.

CyBorg
03-18-2007, 09:03 PM
OMG, Djokovic was not foaming at the mouth. He is human after all!

:worship:

Burrow
03-18-2007, 09:03 PM
Nadal always over reacts his celebration whether its winning a point or the match, quite a comfortable victory but lies on his back as if it was a wimbledon 2001 final.

mallorn
03-18-2007, 09:03 PM
Djokovic: "When my mother was giving me the milk, I was watching Becker winning Wimbledon". :lol: :yeah:
:haha:

Andre'sNo1Fan
03-18-2007, 09:03 PM
Well done Rafa :worship:

Its been too long! What a great performance this week.

Interesting to see what kinda crap the haters come up with :lol:

stebs
03-18-2007, 09:03 PM
O.k anymore comments like this and everyone who knows anything about tennis should start a removal clause to this board. For anyone who doesn't watch a match and make comment such as this one.

He pushed Rafa but totally in control, no

And have you not been watching tennis long, have you seen rafa in a 5 setter, nole looked like he was ready to qill over in a 3 setter that only went 2, get real

:lol: I guess you haven't followed tennis long? They are joking in reference to something Djokovic said after losing to Nadal at Roland Garros last year. Don't worry about it.

sondraj06
03-18-2007, 09:04 PM
i was just being ironic.;)
Djokovic said after his straight set loss against Nadal at FO last year that he felt always in control of the match lol

No I got it I should have put a smilie behind that comment, actually anyone who says this, which Jazar has I've been a little snarky, just for fun:wavey:

Adler
03-18-2007, 09:04 PM
Thanks Polsat Sport for delayed coverage. :ras:
They suck, no doubt about it.
Rafa in control for the whole match. Expected win, but I thought it will be tougher in the 1st set

sondraj06
03-18-2007, 09:04 PM
:lol: I guess you haven't followed tennis long? They are joking in reference to something Djokovic said after losing to Nadal at Roland Garros last year. Don't worry about it.

I get it trust me

CyBorg
03-18-2007, 09:04 PM
Nadal looks better without the headband.

Scotso
03-18-2007, 09:04 PM
Nole :sad: But a great tournament for him :yeah:

Congrats Rafa :D

Naranoc
03-18-2007, 09:04 PM
Congrats Rafa, long overdue :yeah:

Duleml
03-18-2007, 09:05 PM
Lol finally Novak wins a nice trophy....if he won the match he would have four really ugly ones...

richie21
03-18-2007, 09:05 PM
nole was obviously in complete control and would have had it, had it been best of 5.
anyway, congrats rafa. may this bring about the start of an even longer drought


yep i guess he thought the final was played in the best of 5!:lol:

Djokovic post match reaction :" well i thought i was always in control ,you know.In the first 2 sets ,i was just trying to tire him so i could smash him in the last 3 sets....but i had the bad surprise to learn at the end that the match was played in the best of 3!!It's inacceptable!!" :devil:

Adler
03-18-2007, 09:06 PM
Hmm... no explosion of threads... what's going on, are you ill? ;)

sondraj06
03-18-2007, 09:06 PM
Where is adee, is he getting rid of Dancing Rasta

savesthedizzle
03-18-2007, 09:07 PM
But isn't watching the Trinity of Hotness that is Pmac, Drysdale, and Cahill better than any speech? :hearts:

:haha:

It's a close call ;)

As a side note: I am so glad Cahill was commentating this week because there were several times when they were babbling about Evert or about other random things that he got them back on topic. He strays far less than Cliff and the legend that is PMac.

stebs
03-18-2007, 09:08 PM
It won't be a rivalry as Nadal will beat him every time. Murray and Gasquet gave Nadal much harder matches.

Gasquet is unlikely to push Nadal on any surface but grass unless he changes the way he plays considerably. He is too defensive and Nadal is likely to find it easy to push him around the court.

Djokovic was equal on every level but mentally in the second set which is not to take away from Nadal, his mental edge is one of the things that make him the great player he can be but I think until it came to pressure situations Djokovic was playing well. He can do the same and he is a confident young man so if he doesn't get downhearted by defeats such as this one he will be able to give Nadal good matches in the future and I think he has as good a shot as Murray of beating Nadal. The Nadal playing today was a better one than the one Murray played at AO this year.

NicoFan
03-18-2007, 09:08 PM
I'm sooo happy for Rafa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :bounce:

Finally...a title! :woohoo:

RAFA IS BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :yeah:

Djokovic played well the 2nd set, but Rafa showed him that he has a way to go before he can play with the big boys. :lol: But he'll get there.

Sjengster
03-18-2007, 09:09 PM
Djokovic: "When my mother was giving me the milk, I was watching Becker winning Wimbledon". :lol: :yeah:

If that's true, she must have breast-fed him for quite a while, mustn't she? A bit too long in fact.

FluffyYellowBall
03-18-2007, 09:09 PM
It's a close call ;)

As a side note: I am so glad Cahill was commentating this week because there were several times when they were babbling about Evert or about other random things that he got them back on topic. He strays far less than Cliff and the legend that is PMac.

Better than havin ur comentator explain what a tie break is:o

knight_ley
03-18-2007, 09:09 PM
But isn't watching the Trinity of Hotness that is Pmac, Drysdale, and Cahill better than any speech? :hearts:
:spit:


Great win for Rafa! :yeah: :aparty:
And congrats to Novak for top 10. :)

sondraj06
03-18-2007, 09:10 PM
Gasquet is unlikely to push Nadal on any surface but grass unless he changes the way he plays considerably. He is too defensive and Nadal is likely to find it easy to push him around the court.

Djokovic was equal on every level but mentally in the second set which is not to take away from Nadal, his mental edge is one of the things that make him the great player he can be but I think until it came to pressure situations Djokovic was playing well. He can do the same and he is a confident young man so if he doesn't get downhearted by defeats such as this one he will be able to give Nadal good matches in the future and I think he has as good a shot as Murray of beating Nadal. The Nadal playing today was a better one than the one Murray played at AO this year.

But seriously though I was not happy with Rafa game today, it was way off missing shots he had no buisness missing

And I said it before and I'll say it again, Nole made an impression on me. I think he is much better than Murray.

LilyRoseAva
03-18-2007, 09:10 PM
yessss congrats rafa!!!

Or Levy
03-18-2007, 09:10 PM
Djoko gave a good speech, good comments about Boris, about how he was excited/nervous because it was his first big speech, and "As you all know I'm top 10 now" and how happy he was about it. He had a wide smile on, didn't look disappointed. Good for him, I'm begining to really like him. He had a few chances, but Rafa was too good and too experienced.

Rafa - well, he would never give a brilliant speech in English, but played well, it was a very just win, now I want to see him against a ticked off Roger in Miami.

sawan66278
03-18-2007, 09:10 PM
Tremendous, tremendous victory for Rafa!!!! To win the tourney without losing a set...defeating a hot, local boy in Roddick...and on a fast hard court!!! With Roger in the draw!!!

Rafa FIRMLY established that he is the #2 player by a wide margin. And he is back to playing the aggressive style that won him so many tourneys over the last two years. Not only is he playing superlative defensive tennis, but his forehand is back...as is his first serve percentage.

I can tell you this: this victory will carry Rafa (as far as confidence goes) for a LONG time...A victory like this will take some of the pressure off for him during the clay court season...Why? Because whenever you win a masters series event like this one (essentially a two week event) with so many doubters and haters asking you about your "drought" (and not on your favorite surface), you believe you can win at any time, anywhere.

All I can say is: watch out Roger;) ;)

feuselino
03-18-2007, 09:11 PM
Congrats Rafa!

Looks like Roger and him will continue to not let anyone else win an important tournament... ;) (at least when they are both playing... Cincinnati was the big exception)

Kitty de Sade
03-18-2007, 09:12 PM
:rolls:

Of course ESPN talked over his speech and didn't show it :p

Typically brilliant coverage from them per usual. :p

Congrats to Rafa- this was long overdue. He played well and deserves this success.

silverwhite
03-18-2007, 09:12 PM
If that's true, she must have breast-fed him for quite a while, mustn't she? A bit too long in fact.

Maybe he was referring to formula milk. :shrug: :lol:

All_Slam_Andre
03-18-2007, 09:13 PM
Congratulations to Rafa :worship:. The boy's back. The rest of the ATP had better watch out. Also well done to Nole for breaking into the top 10. I'm sure that he has a very exciting future ahead of him.

stebs
03-18-2007, 09:13 PM
I'm sooo happy for Rafa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :bounce:

Finally...a title! :woohoo:

RAFA IS BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :yeah:

Djokovic played well the 2nd set, but Rafa showed him that he has a way to go before he can play with the big boys. :lol: But he'll get there.

I think Djokovic showed in the second set that he can compete with the big boys when he plays well. Rafa outplayed him still and it was a straightforward win but Djokovic made him work and there were times when it seemed there was a chance the match would go further.

Anyway, a good experience for Djokovic who is top ten now. Murray should join him after Miami assuming he is fit to play.

ChloeLove
03-18-2007, 09:14 PM
YAY! Awesome Rafa, well deserved.

Burrow
03-18-2007, 09:15 PM
Nadal looks better without the headband.

Always thought that myself.

Yappa
03-18-2007, 09:15 PM
Congratulations to Rafa :worship:. The boy's back. The rest of the ATP had better watch out. Also well done to Nole for breaking into the top 10. I'm sure that he has a very exciting future ahead of him.

We'll see about that once he plays against one of the big hitters again who he he had the luck to avoid this week. Nadal played great, no doubt about it. Now let's see if he is ready to take on Blake or Berdych. Hopefully we'll have the chance to see the motivated Nadal play against one of those guys in Miami.

Metis
03-18-2007, 09:15 PM
But isn't watching the Trinity of Hotness that is Pmac, Drysdale, and Cahill better than any speech? :hearts:

:haha:


:haha:


Great tournament for Nadal! I hope he does well in Miami too :yeah:

Did Becker say to Rafa: "I am giving you this big weird trophy. I think it will change in 2 years" ?

That would explain why Rafa said "See you in a couple of years" at he end of his speech. (he then corrected it and said next year)

:lol:

MaryWalsh
03-18-2007, 09:15 PM
well done Rafa!!!!!!

yana
03-18-2007, 09:17 PM
Bravoooo!!!!! :worship:

sondraj06
03-18-2007, 09:18 PM
I think it's time for this

A poem from- TennisAnyone?

TEN LITTLE INDIANS IN INDIAN WELLS


Ten little Indians drawn against our Rafa, The Divine
Clement was too mortal and then there were nine;

Nine little Indians breaking a sweat in the Golden State
Youzhny got too much sun and then there were eight;

Eight little Indians hoping for a Masters title heaven
Berdych didn't have a prayer and then there were seven;

Seven little Indians showing off their tricks
Federer was out-tricked and then there were six;

Six little Indians fighting to survive
Baghdatis backed away and then there were five;

Five little Indians expecting Federer no more
Verdasco expected nothing else and then there were four;

Four little Indians hungry for a trophy
Ferrero was full on two breadsticks and then there were three;


Three little Indians whistling "Canas, we owe you!"
Chela was off key and then there were two;

Two little Indians trying to get to the final run
Roddick was out-ran and then there was one;


One little Indian opposite Rafa, our number one
Djokovic, you're on!!! And then there were none!!!

As posted on Vamosbrigade. © 2007

tehbitterone
03-18-2007, 09:18 PM
Nadal always over reacts his celebration whether its winning a point or the match, quite a comfortable victory but lies on his back as if it was a wimbledon 2001 final.

Right, how dare him for being so happy after winning. He was supposed to just walk off and not even stay for the ceremony since this is such an unimportant event and all. :rolleyes:

stebs
03-18-2007, 09:18 PM
But seriously though I was not happy with Rafa game today, it was way off missing shots he had no buisness missing

And I said it before and I'll say it again, Nole made an impression on me. I think he is much better than Murray.

I think Nadal played pretty well personally. The thing is, just as Federer looks like a better played when he plays certain players so does Nadal. I think the performance of Rafa was as good today as it was against Roddick, fact is, Djokovic is able to pressure Nadal sometimes off the ground. All Roddick did was give Nadal midcourt shots to hit for winners which made him look perfect.

I disagree about Djokovic being much better than Murray, he is technically sounder on all shots other than the volley but he doesn't move around the court as well and he doesn't have as good shot selection. Murray also has a more adaptable game than Djokovic which should enable him to compete with Federer more easily. I don't think Djokovic will ever give Federer problems except on clay. Murray can at least make him work. Overall I would say at this stage it is about even.

Yappa
03-18-2007, 09:19 PM
:haha:


Great tournament for Nadal! I hope he does well in Miami too :yeah:

Did Becker say to Rafa: "I am giving you this big weird trophy. I think it will change in 2 years" ?

That would explain why Rafa said "See you in a couple of years" at he end of his speech. (he then corrected it and said next year)

:lol:

No, Becker said, that now Nadal might be more curious to get the tropy than the prize money, but that will probably change in a couple of years.

*Viva Chile*
03-18-2007, 09:19 PM
Djokovic: "When my mother was giving me the milk, I was watching Becker winning Wimbledon". :lol: :yeah:

That's was really hilarious :haha:

Congrats to both Rafa and Djoko :yeah:
Now Adee-gee's Dancing Rasta can rest now :zzz:

mallorn
03-18-2007, 09:20 PM
Did Becker say to Rafa: "I am giving you this big weird trophy. I think it will change in 2 years" ?

That would explain why Rafa said "See you in a couple of years" at he end of his speech. (he then corrected it and said next year)

:lol:
:lol:

Kalliopeia
03-18-2007, 09:20 PM
Nadal always over reacts his celebration whether its winning a point or the match, quite a comfortable victory but lies on his back as if it was a wimbledon 2001 final.

He hasn't made a final in 10 months, and in that time his downfall has been predicted, his every twitch and 'no?' scrutinized, and that's only from outside sources, not even to mention the pressure he had put on himself. I don't think it was an overreaction at all.

Nadal looks better without the headband.

I liked the headband better. At least with that, he didn't have that annoying little wisp of hair poking out and driving me out of my mind. :lol:

But isn't watching the Trinity of Hotness that is Pmac, Drysdale, and Cahill better than any speech? :hearts:

:haha:

Bleargh. :D


It's a close call ;)

As a side note: I am so glad Cahill was commentating this week because there were several times when they were babbling about Evert or about other random things that he got them back on topic. He strays far less than Cliff and the legend that is PMac.

Yeah I was glad for that too. Someone needs to keep them on track. PMac drives me nuts.


Anyway. Oh Rafa. I can't really be more coherent than that. I'm deliriously happy for him. He looked so thrilled. :hearts:

As for Djokovic, I was impressed. He seems like a good kid, and I think he'll have a very good future. He was sooo nervous in the beginning, I felt bad for him.

adelaide
03-18-2007, 09:21 PM
:lol:

sondraj06
03-18-2007, 09:21 PM
I think Nadal played pretty well personally. The thing is, just as Federer looks like a better played when he plays certain players so does Nadal. I think the performance of Rafa was as good today as it was against Roddick, fact is, Djokovic is able to pressure Nadal sometimes off the ground. All Roddick did was give Nadal midcourt shots to hit for winners which made him look perfect.

I disagree about Djokovic being much better than Murray, he is technically sounder on all shots other than the volley but he doesn't move around the court as well and he doesn't have as good shot selection. Murray also has a more adaptable game than Djokovic which should enable him to compete with Federer more easily. I don't think Djokovic will ever give Federer problems except on clay. Murray can at least make him work. Overall I would say at this stage it is about even.

well people say that about Murray, I don't see it.

But I thought Nole moved incredible well and looked much better doing it than murray. Murray always looks like he is too busy falling all over himself to get to the ball, does somehow, I can't figure it out.

But Nole impressed me out there nonetheless

stebs
03-18-2007, 09:22 PM
We'll see about that once he plays against one of the big hitters again who he he had the luck to avoid this week. Nadal played great, no doubt about it. Now let's see if he is ready to take on Blake or Berdych. Hopefully we'll have the chance to see the motivated Nadal play against one of those guys in Miami.

On top form Blake and Berdych will always be able to beat Nadal on a fastcourt. This victory which is, undeniably, great for Rafa doesn't change that. However, if either of those two drop theor own level a tiny bit then Nadal can pounce and get a victory. It will be tough though, he has no mental edge over them after the previous matches and defeats.

thrust
03-18-2007, 09:23 PM
Well done Rafa, glad to see him win again! Congrats to Novak though for making the final and playing very well in the second set. Novak has great potential!

Blue Heart24
03-18-2007, 09:24 PM
Have to give credit to Nadal.
Well played.
But I hope you'll lose early in Miami :devil:

stebs
03-18-2007, 09:24 PM
well people say that about Murray, I don't see it.

But I thought Nole moved incredible well and looked much better doing it than murray. Murray always looks like he is too busy falling all over himself to get to the ball, does somehow, I can't figure it out.

But Nole impressed me out there nonetheless

Murray's last two matches are not good indications as he has not been fully fit. Still, I have seen both players play a lot of tennis and I am pretty sure that right now what I said is true. Djokovic is not a bad mover but he isn't close to Murray.

guga2120
03-18-2007, 09:24 PM
didn't lose a set the whole tournament, great win by Rafa.

Mateya
03-18-2007, 09:25 PM
Yeah, VAMOS, great job Rafa :cool: :yeah:

Fed isn´t feeling the most comfortable right now, I imagine :devil: Looks like its gonna be another Rafa-dominated claycourt season...and he is becoming superb on hard-courts too. :scared:

chicky841
03-18-2007, 09:25 PM
Woot Woot! Nice win Rafa :D Its about friggin time

richie21
03-18-2007, 09:27 PM
Gasquet is unlikely to push Nadal on any surface but grass unless he changes the way he plays considerably. He is too defensive and Nadal is likely to find it easy to push him around the court.

in the case you forgot,Gasquet was one of the few players who pushed Nadal really close on Clay in the last 2 years.(remember at MC,he was up a set and a break)

Metis
03-18-2007, 09:29 PM
No, Becker said, that now Nadal might be more curious to get the tropy than the prize money, but that will probably change in a couple of years.

That sounds more sensible. Although I think that Rafa understood it the way I did :lol:

Nole looked really happy in the end despite the loss, and the hug at the net was very affectionate. :inlove:

sondraj06
03-18-2007, 09:31 PM
Murray is kicking himself that could have been him, in the top ten with a chance at number 9, aww the irony

LaTenista
03-18-2007, 09:31 PM
:woohoo: Best birthday present ever. :worship:

savesthedizzle
03-18-2007, 09:32 PM
Nole looked really happy in the end despite the loss, and the hug at the net was very affectionate. :inlove:

Nole likes to hug :D

jenanun
03-18-2007, 09:33 PM
in the case you forgot,Gasquet was one of the few players who pushed Nadal really close on Clay in the last 2 years.(remember at MC,he was up a set and a break)

but the thing is, nadal is improving faster than gasquet. I am afraid that gasquet is not able to catch up....

murray (when fit) is the one that can really challenge nadal at this stage....

but gasquet.... i dont think so...

VAMOS RAFA!!!! :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:

Naide
03-18-2007, 09:33 PM
:woohoo: Best birthday present ever. :worship:

happy bday

ezekiel
03-18-2007, 09:34 PM
I think Nadal played pretty well personally. The thing is, just as Federer looks like a better played when he plays certain players so does Nadal. I think the performance of Rafa was as good today as it was against Roddick, fact is, Djokovic is able to pressure Nadal sometimes off the ground. All Roddick did was give Nadal midcourt shots to hit for winners which made him look perfect.

I disagree about Djokovic being much better than Murray, he is technically sounder on all shots other than the volley but he doesn't move around the court as well and he doesn't have as good shot selection. Murray also has a more adaptable game than Djokovic which should enable him to compete with Federer more easily. I don't think Djokovic will ever give Federer problems except on clay. Murray can at least make him work. Overall I would say at this stage it is about even.

Nole was far from best today, playing timid and from backcourt in the first set for ones but after that he carried himself pretty well in the second and missed some chances. Having said that he has an edge on Murray right now and others his age apart from Rafa.

stebs
03-18-2007, 09:34 PM
in the case you forgot,Gasquet was one of the few players who pushed Nadal really close on Clay in the last 2 years.(remember at MC,he was up a set and a break)

Yes but things have changed since then. Gasquet has changed his game style for whatever reason, lack of confidence appears to be the most likely diagnosis. I still like him but he hasn't been the shotmaking offensive talent whose game I fell in love with for a while now. If he gets it back he can give Nadal a match off clay but otherwise I don't see it happening, on clay I think Gasquet has missed his chance.

mallorn
03-18-2007, 09:35 PM
Nole likes to hug :D
So does Rafa. :lol:

jazar
03-18-2007, 09:36 PM
O.k anymore comments like this and everyone who knows anything about tennis should start a removal clause to this board. For anyone who doesn't watch a match and make comment such as this one.

He pushed Rafa but totally in control, no

And have you not been watching tennis long, have you seen rafa in a 5 setter, nole looked like he was ready to qill over in a 3 setter that only went 2, get real

for fucks sake calm down. have you heard of a little thing called sarcasm? you might want to look it up in a dictionary

stebs
03-18-2007, 09:37 PM
but the thing is, nadal is improving faster than gasquet. I am afraid that gasquet is not able to catch up....

murray (when fit) is the one that can really challenge nadal at this stage....

but gasquet.... i dont think so...

VAMOS RAFA!!!! :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:

If you are meaning on clay then :lol: Murray can't push Nadal on the red stuff.

If you are meaning off clay then :lol: Federer, Blake, Berdych, Youzhny and several others will still be able to beat Nadal when they play him.

Yes, Nadal played a great tournament but it's all too easy to become a fanboy at times like these, remember that there are still players capable of beating Nadal consistently off clay and that he is still world #2 not world #1.

Alvarillo
03-18-2007, 09:37 PM
Rafa :worship:

The Freak
03-18-2007, 09:38 PM
Nadal is back, Roger watch out.

sondraj06
03-18-2007, 09:39 PM
for fucks sake calm down. have you heard of a little thing called sarcasm? you might want to look it up in a dictionary

You don't want to take it there, you'll lose but at least you'll still be in complete control.

stebs
03-18-2007, 09:39 PM
Nole was far from best today, playing timid and from backcourt in the first set for ones but after that he carried himself pretty well in the second and missed some chances. Having said that he has an edge on Murray right now and others his age apart from Rafa.

Basis for this? Any explanation forthcoming? Yes he is above in the ranks but they were practically equal until this week where neither player showed himself to be superior, Murray was injured in the semi final match up and it was actually quite nice and unexpected to see him complete the match.

stebs
03-18-2007, 09:42 PM
You don't want to take it there, you'll lose but at least you'll still be in complete control.

I think jazar has every right to tell you to calm down. Your post looked sarcastic in no way, mainly because if it was sarcastic then there was no cause for it, it wasn't funny or even interesting. It appears to me that you didn't know what was being referred to but felt a little embarrased afterward so pretended that you were also joking. If you really were joking then what was the joke? It was a stupid post either way.

sondraj06
03-18-2007, 09:44 PM
I think jazar has every right to tell you to calm down. Your post looked sarcastic in no way, mainly because if it was sarcastic then there was no cause for it, it wasn't funny or even interesting. It appears to me that you didn't know what was being referred to but felt a little embarrased afterward so pretended that you were also joking. If you really were joking then what was the joke? It was a stupid post either way.

Go back and read throught the thread dedicated to the whole incident. And then step out the door. A friendly exit is awaiting you

Godiva
03-18-2007, 09:45 PM
I'm beginning to like this Rafa guy in spite of myself. Why is that?? :) :confused: :) :confused:

sondraj06
03-18-2007, 09:45 PM
Does anyone here think Nadal does a far better job of playing tennis when Uncle toni isn't around. I don't know I think he does.

NaDALiTa
03-18-2007, 09:46 PM
great tournament and welcome back at a better level Rafa...right on time !! :woohoo:

it's good to see him back :bounce:

sondraj06
03-18-2007, 09:46 PM
I'm beginning to like this Rafa guy in spite of myself. Why is that??:) :confused: :confused: :confused:

Yeah we love converters.

Castafiore
03-18-2007, 09:47 PM
Djokovic looked nervous in the first set but really went up a notch or two in the second.


Good victory for Rafa, though. Straight sets. Good title for the confidence right before the clay court season.
:)

R.Federer
03-18-2007, 09:48 PM
Excellent win for Rafa! Great prelude to the clay season. It should only get better here on.

DhammaTiger
03-18-2007, 09:48 PM
At last,it is wonderful to see Rafa winning a championship. For me nothing makes me happier than to see Rafa winning, and when he wins a championship, I am ecstatic. After being sad for more than a week, Rafa put the smile back on my face. Now, I am looking forward to the rest of the season to continue smiling. Vamos Rafa!!!! :worship: :inlove: :woohoo: :yippee: :banana: :) :)

jazar
03-18-2007, 09:49 PM
Does anyone here think Nadal does a far better job of playing tennis when Uncle toni isn't around. I don't know I think he does.

ok no sarcasm here. yes he does, cos all it seems toni tells him to do is defend and stand 15 feet behind the baseline. when nadal is free to think for himself he is a much better player for it

stebs
03-18-2007, 09:49 PM
Go back and read throught the thread dedicated to the whole incident. And then step out the door. A friendly exit is awaiting you

What I said stands. Why make the stupid post? What you said in another thread is similar to this. Over-reacting because you didn't get the joke and then when it is explained pretending you got it so you look less stupid.

Again, if I am wrong and you really did get it then your response is stupid anyway because it isn't funny it just makes you look ridiculously stupid.

Naide
03-18-2007, 09:50 PM
I'm beginning to like this Rafa guy in spite of myself. Why is that?? :) :confused: :) :confused:

voodoo

sondraj06
03-18-2007, 09:50 PM
What I said stands. Why make the stupid post? What you said in another thread is similar to this. Over-reacting because you didn't get the joke and then when it is explained pretending you got it so you look less stupid.

Again, if I am wrong and you really did get it then your response is stupid anyway because it isn't funny it just makes you look ridiculously stupid.

Then you think my post is stupid does that make you happy do you want a cookie behind it.

here let me get you one

sondraj06
03-18-2007, 09:51 PM
Well, unless you edited your older posts, everything he said is pretty much correct. :shrug:

Who said what, and edited what post.

ezekiel
03-18-2007, 09:52 PM
Basis for this? Any explanation forthcoming? Yes he is above in the ranks but they were practically equal until this week where neither player showed himself to be superior, Murray was injured in the semi final match up and it was actually quite nice and unexpected to see him complete the match.

Differences are subtle right now but

2-0 H2H

Besides if you watched their matches , Nole has a far bigger game that is translatable on all surfaces. Andy hasn't shown he can play on clay either

cmurray
03-18-2007, 09:52 PM
ok no sarcasm here. yes he does, cos all it seems toni tells him to do is defend and stand 15 feet behind the baseline. when nadal is free to think for himself he is a much better player for it

I heartily agree.

sondraj06
03-18-2007, 09:53 PM
ok no sarcasm here. yes he does, cos all it seems toni tells him to do is defend and stand 15 feet behind the baseline. when nadal is free to think for himself he is a much better player for it

Yes someone else said that as well, And I've said I think he needs another coach.

But he does fine out there by himself, no on court coaching, just him and maybe now it will build his confidence.

Stay away uncle toni

Rafa = Fed Killa
03-18-2007, 09:53 PM
Toni Nadal shouldn't come to any more matches. :D

stebs
03-18-2007, 09:53 PM
Then you think my post is stupid does that make you happy do you want a cookie behind it.

here let me get you one

I have had this type of conversation too many times with too many different posters. Now that you are starting to look a little silly and have nothing more to say you try and change the subject. Just leave it, you looked a little silly but there's no problem. You are digging a hole.

Kalliopeia
03-18-2007, 09:54 PM
Does anyone here think Nadal does a far better job of playing tennis when Uncle toni isn't around. I don't know I think he does.

No. Toni wasn't there for Toronto or Cincinnati last year, either. Didn't do him any good there.

sondraj06
03-18-2007, 09:54 PM
Toni Nadal shouldn't come to any more matches. :D

I concur, we should start a petition

mallorn
03-18-2007, 09:54 PM
http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/408/181ea4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

:tape: :lol:

sondraj06
03-18-2007, 09:55 PM
I have had this type of conversation too many times with too many different posters. Now that you are starting to look a little silly and have nothing more to say you try and change the subject. Just leave it, you looked a little silly but there's no problem. You are digging a hole.

Then stop posting, I've had this argument with too many posters. Take your bow and exit stage left.

And don't forget you cookie. seeing as how you jump for treats

ljubicic_
03-18-2007, 09:55 PM
Djokovic is one of the wasted talents. So he will never win a master tournemant.

Great job Rafa

Kitty de Sade
03-18-2007, 09:55 PM
Toni Nadal shouldn't come to any more matches. :D

I've been saying this since last summer. :yeah:

Sunset of Age
03-18-2007, 09:56 PM
Well done, dearest Rafita!!! :worship: :kiss: :hearts: :hatoff: :hatoff: :hatoff:

To tell the truth, I never expected anything else, but it's always good to see it indeed happening, no?

First set, Djoko??? Indeed JOKING, if anything. Guess the bloke's nerves got up with him...

Second set, complete different story. Glad to see Djoke indeed capable of giving Raf a proper match. Kudos, Nole. I'm sure you'll be BACK real soon! :worship:
;)
As for Raf... what a wonderful match, gorgeous playing!!!
And how lovely to see him so happy after the match. Boy, it was high time he won a tournament again...
And WOW, his English has really improved! :hearts: It might well get better than mine very soon... :tape: ;)

stebs
03-18-2007, 09:56 PM
Differences are subtle right now but

2-0 H2H

Besides if you watched their matches , Nole has a far bigger game that is translatable on all surfaces. Andy hasn't shown he can play on clay either

The all aurfce thing I will accept. Djokovic has a better game on clay by a long way and Murray leads only on grass and that is by a very small margin.

However, bigger is not better. Berdych has a bigger game than Federer for example. Andy has better touch and is a better mover around the court, he is also better tactically to make up for his smaller strokes.

The second match of the H2H means nothing, Murray was injured. The first match was very tight and doesn't prove an awful lot.

sondraj06
03-18-2007, 09:57 PM
No. Toni wasn't there for Toronto or Cincinnati last year, either. Didn't do him any good there.

Well o.k maybe not plays better but it seems like his game is much more assertive this time around and I wonder if that had to do with the part time coach being there instead of Toni

Kalliopeia
03-18-2007, 09:58 PM
Well o.k maybe not plays better but it seems like his game is much more assertive this time around and I wonder if that had to do with the part time coach being there instead of Toni

Well the part time coach was with him in Toronto and Cincinnati last year, too. Toni is the first one to say he needs to be more agressive and all that.

stebs
03-18-2007, 09:59 PM
Then stop posting, I've had this argument with too many posters. Take your bow and exit stage left.

And don't forget you cookie. seeing as how you jump for treats

:lol: at you completely proving my point with this post. If you are not wrong then why not answer me instead of posting crap? You continue to dig at an astounding rate.

Jelena_78
03-18-2007, 10:00 PM
Good effort Nole! :yeah: The speach was great ,too. :haha:
Congrats to Rafa! He really is in great form!:worship:

:clap2: NAPRED NOLE! :clap2:

jazar
03-18-2007, 10:00 PM
Yes someone else said that as well, And I've said I think he needs another coach.

But he does fine out there by himself, no on court coaching, just him and maybe now it will build his confidence.

Stay away uncle toni

hey look we agreed on something.

it will be difficult for rafa to get rid of toni though, cos afterall toni is hios uncle and has worked with rafa for most of his life and career

sondraj06
03-18-2007, 10:03 PM
:lol: at you completely proving my point with this post. If you are not wrong then why not answer me instead of posting crap? You continue to dig at an astounding rate.

No remeber I gave you this one, said you were right. But if you want to hit home how smart you are by not engaging in a stupid argument about a stupid post it's funny to me your still are posting responding about it.

If you want to be an ass, like I tell anyone, you can. I'll take it there if you want to go there.

Naide
03-18-2007, 10:03 PM
hey look we agreed on something.

it will be difficult for rafa to get rid of toni though, cos afterall toni is hios uncle and has worked with rafa for most of his life and career

yeah thats the problem with family coaching

uglyamerican
03-18-2007, 10:04 PM
Yeah the announcers said he doens't want to hear anymore about rafa not being able to play on hardcourts and neither do I.

Vamosss

If you take aways his clay points, he has a 720 pt lead on 3rd place Roddick. He's clearly #2 on hard court.

sondraj06
03-18-2007, 10:05 PM
hey look we agreed on something.

it will be difficult for rafa to get rid of toni though, cos afterall toni is hios uncle and has worked with rafa for most of his life and career

No I guess I don't think he should get rid of toni, I just think toni should know enough to (and I do think he wants the best for his nephew) step aside and let some one else take the reigns. Because you know I wonder sometimes

sondraj06
03-18-2007, 10:07 PM
If you take aways his clay points, he has a 720 pt lead on 3rd place Roddick. He's clearly #2 on hard court.

I don't know I let other people tell me that stuff, I just hear how people talk about him. But to me he's always seem to do just fine on hardcourt

jazar
03-18-2007, 10:07 PM
No I guess I don't think he should get rid of toni, I just think toni should know enough to (and I do think he wants the best for his nephew) step aside and let some one else take the reigns. Because you know I wonder sometimes

so basically a coach who isnt related to him would be a bit more objective

Neely
03-18-2007, 10:07 PM
Congrats to Rafa for winning, props to Nole for the tournament performance! :hatoff:

Djokovic had some funny words :lol:

stebs
03-18-2007, 10:07 PM
If you take aways his clay points, he has a 720 pt lead on 3rd place Roddick. He's clearly #2 on hard court.

Not saying I disagree but actually a lot of those points come from Wimbledon final rather than hard courts.

sondraj06
03-18-2007, 10:09 PM
so basically a coach who isnt related to him would be a bit more objective

I don't know, you know how people were saying that it would be hard for rafa to change his style because he has been playing with it for so long. Well I think that's the case for toni. I don't think rafa would have much of an issue with change but think about Toni he's been choaching with this style for way longer than rafa has been playing with it.

So I think he has taken rafa as far as he knows how and now it's time for someone else to step in and show him some new tricks

jennTENnisFan06
03-18-2007, 10:10 PM
I'm SOOOOO happy for Rafa! :bounce:

He has played so well this tournament!

Vamos, Rafa! Congrats on another Masters shield! :D

Rafa = Fed Killa
03-18-2007, 10:11 PM
Family coaching is always the wrong step when a player reaches elite levels.

Tony should step down.

ezekiel
03-18-2007, 10:11 PM
The all aurfce thing I will accept. Djokovic has a better game on clay by a long way and Murray leads only on grass and that is by a very small margin.

How does Andy lead on grass ?
Their Wimbledon record is identical . You are right for clay obviously

However, bigger is not better. Berdych has a bigger game than Federer for example. Andy has better touch and is a better mover around the court, he is also better tactically to make up for his smaller strokes.

Non comparison, Nole can control his game much better than say Berdych and raise his level as he did today after poor first 4 games. I very much doubt Andy is a better mover or has better touch than Nole , I think it's both of their equal strengths

The second match of the H2H means nothing, Murray was injured. The first match was very tight and doesn't prove an awful lot.

It can be debated and I am not the one to take anything out of few matches especially this early in their career however their level of play leaves no doubt that Nole is much more proficient and skilled right now . Andy has some catching up and learning to do if he wants to become an elite player

SBruguera
03-18-2007, 10:15 PM
I think I´m becoming a Nole fan. He looks so nice, smiling all the time after losing his first AMS final.

Neumann
03-18-2007, 10:16 PM
If you take aways his clay points, he has a 720 pt lead on 3rd place Roddick. He's clearly #2 on hard court.

May I ask how you got those numbers? I would think Nadal's points would be 4,755 - 2,300 = 2,455. Maybe I'm totally wrong.

kobulingam
03-18-2007, 10:18 PM
I have had this type of conversation too many times with too many different posters. Now that you are starting to look a little silly and have nothing more to say you try and change the subject. Just leave it, you looked a little silly but there's no problem. You are digging a hole.

Agree with you. Now there is nothing left for you to say, anyone interested enough to follow the thread of this discussion will agree with you. No need for you to box her further. :boxing:

sondraj06
03-18-2007, 10:18 PM
May I ask how you got those numbers? I would think Nadal's points would be 4,755 - 2,300 = 2,455. Maybe I'm totally wrong.

No, he/she deducted he points from the clay court season and then you are left with 700 something

jazar
03-18-2007, 10:18 PM
I don't know, you know how people were saying that it would be hard for rafa to change his style because he has been playing with it for so long. Well I think that's the case for toni. I don't think rafa would have much of an issue with change but think about Toni he's been choaching with this style for way longer than rafa has been playing with it.

So I think he has taken rafa as far as he knows how and now it's time for someone else to step in and show him some new tricks

i think rafa realises he needs to change his game more for surfaces other than clay and should realise that he can play on them. i think toni is trying to impart the clay court game onto other surfaces as well, where it simply wont work. rafa needs someone who is going to say dont hit kick serves all the time, dont stand 15 feet behind the baseline, volley more. if he advertised for a coach there would be a lot of applicants cos ppl know how talented he is, but also how incomplete he is

sondraj06
03-18-2007, 10:19 PM
Agree with you. Now there is nothing left for you to say, anyone interested enough to follow the thread of this discussion will agree with you. No need for you to box her further. :boxing:

And the mouth hath spoken

stebs
03-18-2007, 10:20 PM
How does Andy lead on grass ?
Their Wimbledon record is identical . You are right for clay obviously
Murray leads on grass due to his game being more suited to the surface and having put in more impressive performances. At least in my books, Djokovic was good against Ancic in defeat yes but Murray still played better against Roddick.

Non comparison, Nole can control his game much better than say Berdych and raise his level as he did today after poor first 4 games. I very much doubt Andy is a better mover or has better touch than Nole , I think it's both of their equal strengths
I just completely disagree. Murray has shown hismelf to be a far superior mover around the court. Even if he is not faster in a spring he is more clever and the match today showcased that. Djokovic can be slow to get started and isn't that tough to wrong foot which Nadal used to his advantage. Murray also volleys better than Djokovic and if you disagree then I think this conversation must end because it is fairly clear and if you can't accept that then there is no point debating with you over it.

It can be debated and I am not the one to take anything out of few matches especially this early in their career however their level of play leaves no doubt that Nole is much more proficient and skilled right now . Andy has some catching up and learning to do if he wants to become an elite player
Murray has shown himself to be equally proficient thus far in his career. All Djokovic has acheived over Murray so far is an AMS final which is good but he beat an injured Murray in the semi's to make it which is quite ironic. Djokovic has also made a GS QF at RG but I think it is a matter of time before Murray makes a QF and he has made multiple 4R's already. Andy is actually about equal with Djokovic in the race right now, both are near the top so this would suggest that they are playing at a similar level. Djokovic's game may be more aesthetically pleasing to you but don't let it shroud your vision.

kobulingam
03-18-2007, 10:22 PM
And the mouth hath spoken


:D

uglyamerican
03-18-2007, 10:22 PM
May I ask how you got those numbers? I would think Nadal's points would be 4,755 - 2,300 = 2,455. Maybe I'm totally wrong.

I forgot Roland Garros. The most obvious one. :smash:

Kalliopeia
03-18-2007, 10:24 PM
i think rafa realises he needs to change his game more for surfaces other than clay and should realise that he can play on them. i think toni is trying to impart the clay court game onto other surfaces as well, where it simply wont work. rafa needs someone who is going to say dont hit kick serves all the time, dont stand 15 feet behind the baseline, volley more. if he advertised for a coach there would be a lot of applicants cos ppl know how talented he is, but also how incomplete he is

:rolleyes:

Toni has said in interviews more than once how Rafa needs to improve in all those areas. He's not an idiot.

I swear, Rafa loses, he needs a new coach. Rafa wins, he needs a new coach. :rolleyes:

GlennMirnyi
03-18-2007, 10:26 PM
Joke of a final in a joke of a tournament, period.

jazar
03-18-2007, 10:26 PM
:rolleyes:

Toni has said in interviews more than once how Rafa needs to improve in all those areas. He's not an idiot.

I swear, Rafa loses, he needs a new coach. Rafa wins, he needs a new coach. :rolleyes:

but has he really improved on these areas? fair enough he has been serving well this week, but he can still improve a lot of it. i've never seen him hit a near flat serve. and he is still pretty quick to resort to clay court mode standing virtually in the crowd. and the only time he is at the net is to shake his opponents hand

sondraj06
03-18-2007, 10:28 PM
but has he really improved on these areas? fair enough he has been serving well this week, but he can still improve a lot of it. i've never seen him hit a near flat serve. and he is still pretty quick to resort to clay court mode standing virtually in the crowd. and the only time he is at the net is to shake his opponents hand

HA, yeah I kinda have to agree. Not trying to be down on Toni, I think what he has done for rafa up till now is great. But knowing what needs to be done and doing it are two completely different things. It's do or die, time to prove it from the Nadal camp

DrJules
03-18-2007, 10:30 PM
How does Andy lead on grass ?
Their Wimbledon record is identical . You are right for clay obviously



Non comparison, Nole can control his game much better than say Berdych and raise his level as he did today after poor first 4 games. I very much doubt Andy is a better mover or has better touch than Nole , I think it's both of their equal strengths



It can be debated and I am not the one to take anything out of few matches especially this early in their career however their level of play leaves no doubt that Nole is much more proficient and skilled right now . Andy has some catching up and learning to do if he wants to become an elite player

Andy Murray has a better record against top 10 players and the top 2 players. Murray is 1-2 winning 4 sets in total against Federer/Nadal (including pushing Nadal to 5 sets at AO) while Djokovic is 0-6 winning 2 sets in total and has not come close to winning.

rue
03-18-2007, 10:32 PM
Good job from Nadal! He played well, not as good as yesterday against Roddick, but good enough to win the title. He'll be full of confidence going into Miami nxt week.

GlennMirnyi
03-18-2007, 10:34 PM
Andy Murray has a better record against top 10 players and the top 2 players. Murray is 1-2 winning 4 sets in total against Federer/Nadal (including pushing Nadal to 5 sets at AO) while Djokovic is 0-6 winning 2 sets in total and has not come close to winning.

Murray is mentally stronger than Djokovic.

Jaap
03-18-2007, 10:36 PM
Djokeovic will never threaten the top players. He is destined to be a solid top 10 player but nothing more, he will be like Davydenko and Robredo.

Kalliopeia
03-18-2007, 10:37 PM
but has he really improved on these areas? fair enough he has been serving well this week, but he can still improve a lot of it. i've never seen him hit a near flat serve. and he is still pretty quick to resort to clay court mode standing virtually in the crowd. and the only time he is at the net is to shake his opponents hand

He comes to the net now and then.

I'm not really taking issue with whether or not he's improved in those areas, just the notion that Toni just doesn't know what he needs. Clearly he does. Whether or not he's improving is a different issue. I think he is, a little bit.

RonE
03-18-2007, 10:38 PM
Stage 1 of prophecy fulfilled.

I am the shit :smoke:

sondraj06
03-18-2007, 10:39 PM
It took you long enough ron

DrJules
03-18-2007, 10:41 PM
Djokeovic will never threaten the top players. He is destined to be a solid top 10 player but nothing more, he will be like Davydenko and Robredo.

Djokovic will be better than Davydenko and Robredo, but cannot see him as multiple grand slam winner or more than short stay at number 1.

ezekiel
03-18-2007, 10:43 PM
Andy Murray has a better record against top 10 players and the top 2 players. Murray is 1-2 winning 4 sets in total against Federer/Nadal (including pushing Nadal to 5 sets at AO) while Djokovic is 0-6 winning 2 sets in total and has not come close to winning.


Andy has a better record against the likes of Davydenko, Roddick, Haas , Ljubicic as he gets to play them often while Nole gets to play Roger,Rafa and hot players like Youzhny. Andy has no chance against these players in form and don't think for a moment Roger was in form in Cincy or Rafa in Australia

GlennMirnyi
03-18-2007, 10:43 PM
Djokeovic will never threaten the top players. He is destined to be a solid top 10 player but nothing more, he will be like Davydenko and Robredo.

True. You could see he was ****ting himself since the beginning.

Neumann
03-18-2007, 10:45 PM
No, he/she deducted he points from the clay court season and then you are left with 700 something

Thank you Sondra, but he knows what I'm talking about.


I forgot Roland Garros. The most obvious one. :smash:

:lol: I actually tried to think what would have been the most obvious mistake, but I just couldn't think of that one.

Anyways, in my opinion, it's pretty clear that during this last 12 months Rafa has not been the second best player off clay, and the rankings rightfully show so.

adee-gee
03-18-2007, 10:47 PM
:sport:

It's been a long time coming, absolutely thrilled :D

Superb first set from Rafa, he was helped by Nole's nerves but he was hitting the ball beautifully, especially on the forehand. Props to Djokovic for playing a much better 2nd set, he really should've won it but just didn't come up with the right shot on the big points. 2nd set was concerning and underlines what I've been saying all week, Rafa is still pushed miles behind the baseline too easily and his forehand is great when he has time on it, but when someone hits to it with pace he often produces a weak response.

Anyway, let's party :aparty: :rocker2:

I shall enjoy reading through the previous 14 pages and seeing lots of praise for Rafa I'm sure :smoke:

GlennMirnyi
03-18-2007, 10:50 PM
Let's all remember: Nadal only won because Federer wasn't in the final.

guga2120
03-18-2007, 10:52 PM
Let's all remember: Nadal only won because Federer wasn't in the final.


well maybe in Miami if Federer doesn't get his ass kicked by Canas, we can see Federer take Rafa down, b/c Federer owns Rafa.

tripb19
03-18-2007, 10:52 PM
Let's all remember: Nadal only won because Federer wasn't in the final.

And Nole only got into the Top 10 because Federer lost :mad:

:haha:

sondraj06
03-18-2007, 10:55 PM
:sport:

It's been a long time coming, absolutely thrilled :D

Superb first set from Rafa, he was helped by Nole's nerves but he was hitting the ball beautifully, especially on the forehand. Props to Djokovic for playing a much better 2nd set, he really should've won it but just didn't come up with the right shot on the big points. 2nd set was concerning and underlines what I've been saying all week, Rafa is still pushed miles behind the baseline too easily and his forehand is great when he has time on it, but when someone hits to it with pace he often produces a weak response.

Anyway, let's party :aparty: :rocker2:

I shall enjoy reading through the previous 14 pages and seeing lots of praise for Rafa I'm sure :smoke:

we were worried, we wanted to see if rasta had made it to the final without kelling over.

ezekiel
03-18-2007, 10:57 PM
Murray leads on grass due to his game being more suited to the surface and having put in more impressive performances. At least in my books, Djokovic was good against Ancic in defeat yes but Murray still played better against Roddick.

Nole lost to Grosjean and Ancic in close matches while Andy lost to Nalbandian and Baghdatis in less close matchups. Both reached 3rd and 4th round respectivelly


I just completely disagree. Murray has shown hismelf to be a far superior mover around the court. Even if he is not faster in a spring he is more clever and the match today showcased that. Djokovic can be slow to get started and isn't that tough to wrong foot which Nadal used to his advantage. Murray also volleys better than Djokovic and if you disagree then I think this conversation must end because it is fairly clear and if you can't accept that then there is no point debating with you over it.

Just because Andy's best qualities are movement and volleys doesn't mean he is better than everybody else. In fact we will agree to disagree here and let them prove it



Murray has shown himself to be equally proficient thus far in his career. All Djokovic has acheived over Murray so far is an AMS final which is good but he beat an injured Murray in the semi's to make it which is quite ironic. Djokovic has also made a GS QF at RG but I think it is a matter of time before Murray makes a QF and he has made multiple 4R's already. Andy is actually about equal with Djokovic in the race right now, both are near the top so this would suggest that they are playing at a similar level. Djokovic's game may be more aesthetically pleasing to you but don't let it shroud your vision.

Their careers are amzingly similar so far but Nole has just a little edge, better H2H, better ranking, better slam showing, proven all surface , more titles.

Injuries are part of the sport and this is true for Nole too, he could have much better results so far if he was all healthy all the time

GlennMirnyi
03-18-2007, 10:59 PM
well maybe in Miami if Federer doesn't get his ass kicked by Canas, we can see Federer take Rafa down, b/c Federer owns Rafa.

You can fool yourself as much as you want, it's not my business, but Federer lost to himself.

And Nole only got into the Top 10 because Federer lost :mad:

:haha:

Sampras will still have all the reasons to say Federer has weak competition.

adee-gee
03-18-2007, 11:00 PM
And hurrah that the dancing Rasta can stop now. :p
PS: Now Adam (adee-gee), please remove your signature :p:p:p:p:p
Where is adee, is he getting rid of Dancing Rasta
Now Adee-gee's Dancing Rasta can rest now :zzz:
:cool:

kobulingam
03-18-2007, 11:01 PM
well maybe in Miami if Federer doesn't get his ass kicked by Canas, we can see Federer take Rafa down, b/c Federer owns Rafa.

You better hope Federer wins Miami, because it looks like Rafa is going to defend all/most of his clay points.

guga2120
03-18-2007, 11:03 PM
You can fool yourself as much as you want, it's not my business, but Federer lost to himself.




im not fooling myself i know thats why Federer lost, but i don't think its a certainty that Federer beats Rafa in a final, which you do for some reason, he would be the favorite, and he would proably win, but Rafa i think has beaten him before.

Shrinking Violet
03-18-2007, 11:03 PM
Well done Rafa - great to have him back. :yeah: He totally outclassed Nole in the first set. His level dropped a bit and Djoko started finding his first serve and the second set was great to watch, but unfortunately again Nole didn't take his chances against a top player. Hopefully that's something that won't happen forever.

Anyway - congrats Rafa, it was a very well deserved trophy and win today.

Great tournament Nole and well done on getting to the top ten. Hopefully you'll start beating these guys eventually. :hug:

GlennMirnyi
03-18-2007, 11:04 PM
im not fooling myself i know thats why Federer lost, but i don't think its a certainty that Federer beats Rafa in a final, which you do for some reason, he would be the favorite, and he would proably win, but Rafa i think has beaten him before.

Good that you admitted that Federer lost to himself. Because you know that outside clay, that's the only way he can lose nowadays.

kobulingam
03-18-2007, 11:12 PM
im not fooling myself i know thats why Federer lost, but i don't think its a certainty that Federer beats Rafa in a final, which you do for some reason, he would be the favorite, and he would proably win, but Rafa i think has beaten him before.

I think it's 50-50 in a Rafa-Fed HC final "because" if Rafa makes a HC final, it means he's in top form. If Fed makes a HC final, he could be playing subpar.

scoobs
03-18-2007, 11:15 PM
Good win for Rafa - great to see him back in the winners circle. :yeah:

Good effort from Nole after a bit of a miserable start. Hopefully he will learn from the experience and who knows what could have happened if he had come out of the blocks a bit faster.

A_Skywalker
03-18-2007, 11:16 PM
Good that you admitted that Federer lost to himself. Because you know that outside clay, that's the only way he can lose nowadays.

Guys, I dont think anyone of u 2 will change his mind, even if you write 100 pages. It is just a time loosing for you 2 ;)
And of course, Federer cant loose unless he makes mistakes, I know that cause I heard it many times here ;)

guga2120
03-18-2007, 11:21 PM
I think it's 50-50 in a Rafa-Fed HC final "because" if Rafa makes a HC final, it means he's in top form. If Fed makes a HC final, he could be playing subpar.

i wouldn't say its 50/50 fed is the favorite, but Nadal can beat him on HC's, hes done it before, and it would not be b/c Federer beat himself.

GlennMirnyi
03-18-2007, 11:25 PM
i wouldn't say its 50/50 fed is the favorite, but Nadal can beat him on HC's, hes done it before, and it would not be b/c Federer beat himself.

He's done it once. The other was like when Federer lost to Canas, a fluke.

mashamaniac
03-18-2007, 11:25 PM
i believe rafa totally deserved that crown and maybe if federer was there nadal would have won him! anyways who knows? nadal is now ready for another title in miami but i very much hope andy would win that miami shield!!

adee-gee
03-18-2007, 11:29 PM
Hey Glenn, I've got some pictures for your bedroom wall :kiss:

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20070318/capt.0aff767a1b3c4e4884e0b73ebb9325b4.indian_wells _tennis_camt115.jpg

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20070318/capt.783c3411c60248f08187be04d6ad8153.indian_wells _tennis_camt116.jpg

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20070318/capt.29d02308f35541b5999fad1c77982397.indian_wells _tennis_camt105.jpg

GlennMirnyi
03-18-2007, 11:32 PM
Hey Glenn, I've got some pictures for your bedroom wall :kiss:

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20070318/capt.0aff767a1b3c4e4884e0b73ebb9325b4.indian_wells _tennis_camt115.jpg

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20070318/capt.783c3411c60248f08187be04d6ad8153.indian_wells _tennis_camt116.jpg

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20070318/capt.29d02308f35541b5999fad1c77982397.indian_wells _tennis_camt105.jpg

No pics from MM tournaments in my walls.

Yappa
03-18-2007, 11:33 PM
You know, I think he should really shave his arm pits.

adee-gee
03-18-2007, 11:33 PM
No pics from MM tournaments in my walls.
:sad: I guess you have none of Mirnyi then.....unless Jonas is in them as well seeing as he's the strong link.

guga2120
03-18-2007, 11:36 PM
He's done it once. The other was like when Federer lost to Canas, a fluke.


so then do you think if Federer beats Nadal on clay, its b/c Rafa was not 100%? because hes never done that.

A_Skywalker
03-18-2007, 11:38 PM
Hey Adam, you changed your sig ,good :yeah:

ranaldo
03-18-2007, 11:38 PM
Rafa was on top form. He got me wandering, what the hell can people do to beat him? He doesn't make any UE, every ball has such topspin that it's impossible to handle if you don't have a good technique. And on some of the backhands Djokovic had to play you could see his limitations. And without a crisp netgame, I don't think you can beat an in-form Nadal. Fed is not really going to control him during on clay. Nadal is the only player on tour who doesn't have a real weakness. His backhand has less impact than his FH but compared to the great Roger he's way less eratic on that wing.

DDrago2
03-18-2007, 11:43 PM
i wouldn't say its 50/50 fed is the favorite, but Nadal can beat him on HC's, hes done it before, and it would not be b/c Federer beat himself.


Nadal shouldn't pose a threat for Fed on HC at all, taken they both play their's normal games. But in reality Nadal gives his all against Federer where the oposite isn't true.

Fedeer inspires Nadal much more than vice-versa and that's why Nadal has a chance as you say

NaDALiTa
03-18-2007, 11:47 PM
You know, I think he should really shave his arm pits.


or wear t-shirts :lol:

it could have been worse ......some players have jungle of hairs over their arm pits..... :p

jenanun
03-18-2007, 11:47 PM
Rafa was on top form. He got me wandering, what the hell can people do to beat him? He doesn't make any UE, every ball has such topspin that it's impossible to handle if you don't have a good technique. And on some of the backhands Djokovic had to play you could see his limitations. And without a crisp netgame, I don't think you can beat an in-form Nadal. Fed is not really going to control him during on clay. Nadal is the only player on tour who doesn't have a real weakness. His backhand has less impact than his FH but compared to the great Roger he's way less eratic on that wing.


:confused: :confused: :confused:

:haha: :haha: :haha:

I really hope so!

GlennMirnyi
03-18-2007, 11:57 PM
:sad: I guess you have none of Mirnyi then.....unless Jonas is in them as well seeing as he's the strong link.

When Mirnyi won Rotterdam his draw was harder than the draw Nadal faced this week.

Anyway, Max is the #1, Jonas is the #2. This shows you the who's the strong link.

so then do you think if Federer beats Nadal on clay, its b/c Rafa was not 100%? because hes never done that.

No, it will be because Federer finally played a good match on clay.

adee-gee
03-19-2007, 12:09 AM
When Mirnyi won Rotterdam his draw was harder than the draw Nadal faced this week.
Ah yes, his only career title :worship:

Total nonsense btw, he beat 2 players who were at the time in the top 50 to win Rotterdam. Nadal beat 5. :lol:

GlennMirnyi
03-19-2007, 12:13 AM
Ah yes, his only career title :worship:

Total nonsense btw, he beat 2 players who were at the time in the top 50 to win Rotterdam. Nadal beat 5. :lol:

He beat Federer, and that's much more important than the bunch of clowns Nadal got through.

cmurray
03-19-2007, 12:16 AM
He beat Federer, and that's much more important than the bunch of clowns Nadal got through.

so..let me get this straight. If you beat Federer, it makes you important?

Glenn, I had NO IDEA you held Rafa in such high esteem! You hide it so well!

adee-gee
03-19-2007, 12:18 AM
He beat Federer, and that's much more important than the bunch of clowns Nadal got through.
:lol: so you're only worthy of winning a tournament if you beat Federer? :cool:

That must mean several of Rafa's titles were well deserved :sport:

GlennMirnyi
03-19-2007, 12:24 AM
so..let me get this straight. If you beat Federer, it makes you important?

Glenn, I had NO IDEA you held Rafa in such high esteem! You hide it so well!

:lol: so you're only worthy of winning a tournament if you beat Federer? :cool:

That must mean several of Rafa's titles were well deserved :sport:

I can accept you guys haven't studied philosophy. You're falling into a syllogism.

A:Beating Federer on a fast court (Rotterdam) makes a player deserve his title
B:Nadal beat Federer on clay almost a year ago

C: Nadal titles are deserved.

C is false, even though both of you are interpreting it as true.

adee-gee
03-19-2007, 12:27 AM
I can accept you guys haven't studied philosophy. You're falling into a syllogism.

A:Beating Federer on a fast court (Rotterdam) makes a player deserve his title
B:Nadal beat Federer on clay almost a year ago

C: Nadal titles are deserved.

C is false, even though both of you are interpreting it as true.
:haha: your theories really are quite magnificent ;)

One more before I go.........

http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/sp/getty/16/fullj.getty-ten-pacific_life_open-nadal_6_05_36_pm.jpg

cmurray
03-19-2007, 12:34 AM
I can accept you guys haven't studied philosophy. You're falling into a syllogism.

A:Beating Federer on a fast court (Rotterdam) makes a player deserve his title
B:Nadal beat Federer on clay almost a year ago

C: Nadal titles are deserved.

C is false, even though both of you are interpreting it as true.

But...I have a question for you. How long ago did Mirnyi beat Roger? Because Nadal beat him on hards about 1 year ago. Mirnyi beat him in 2003. You'll excuse me if I'm not impressed.

GlennMirnyi
03-19-2007, 12:35 AM
:haha: your theories really are quite magnificent ;)

One more before I go.........


People celebrate over so little. :p

GlennMirnyi
03-19-2007, 12:37 AM
But...I have a question for you. How long ago did Mirnyi beat Roger? Because Nadal beat him on hards about 1 year ago. Mirnyi beat him in 2003. You'll excuse me if I'm not impressed.

Roger won Wimbledon and the TMC in 2003. Rotterdam is a fast indoor court, not blue clay (like Miami/Dubai/IW).

cmurray
03-19-2007, 12:40 AM
Roger won Wimbledon and the TMC in 2003. Rotterdam is a fast indoor court, not blue clay (like Miami/Dubai/IW).

:lol:

You're right. He won NOTHING last year. I don't know what I was thinking.

:kiss:

Metis
03-19-2007, 12:41 AM
:lol:

You're right. He won NOTHING last year. I don't know what I was thinking.

:kiss:


Don't mind Glenn this week. His favorite failed to justify his ranking and I'm not talking about singles. :p

trixtah
03-19-2007, 12:46 AM
Nole looked in control the whole match but still Rafa prevailed somehow....:devil:

hahah, so glad I saw this match live to watch djokobitch get owned

GlennMirnyi
03-19-2007, 12:50 AM
:lol:

You're right. He won NOTHING last year. I don't know what I was thinking.

:kiss:

No, you were trying to say Federer was playing badly in 2003, and it's wrong.

Don't mind Glenn this week. His favorite failed to justify his ranking and I'm not talking about singles. :p

Yeah, that was bad. Paes is a cheater on court, it's always like that. :sad:

All_Slam_Andre
03-19-2007, 12:51 AM
I can't wait for Miami. Federer will be vengeful and we all know how awesome he is at bouncing back after a rare defeat, and Nadal is now pratically firing on all cylinders and playing with confidence again. Should be great.

ChinoRios4Ever
03-19-2007, 12:52 AM
Never in doubt

rafa :bigclap: :bounce:

nole: nice week, welcome to the top 10 :yeah:

Metis
03-19-2007, 12:57 AM
Yeah, that was bad. Paes is a cheater on court, it's always like that. :sad:

:hug: He was probably distracted as well, new baby and all.

Corey Feldman
03-19-2007, 01:14 AM
Congrats Nadal and fans, from the heart of my bottom.

safinaferrero
03-19-2007, 01:18 AM
You're cute :kiss: im not rafa's fan but still nice someone congratulate any of rafa's wins :angel:

Great victory of world number 2 :yeah: can't wait to see fedex's reaction in MiaMi :devil:

cmurray
03-19-2007, 01:58 AM
Congrats Nadal and fans, from the heart of my bottom.

:lol:

You know you're happy deep down inside, Escude.

scoobs
03-19-2007, 02:01 AM
Nadal seems to be hitting form and confidence again just in time for the clay. Look out Roger.

Johnny Groove
03-19-2007, 02:06 AM
Nadal seems to be hitting form and confidence again just in time for the clay. Look out Roger.

Indeed, as IW was the first clay event of the season :)

scoobs
03-19-2007, 02:08 AM
Indeed, as IW was the first clay event of the season :)
Someone said on Sky the other day that IW "plays a bit like clay".

I was like O RLY??

Johnny Groove
03-19-2007, 02:10 AM
Someone said on Sky the other day that IW "plays a bit like clay".

I was like O RLY??

doesnt surprise me. :shrug: Last year, the clay season started in Dubai :rolleyes:

and, :lol: i need to change my avvie :devil:

Tennis Fool
03-19-2007, 02:13 AM
I haven't seen any of Rafa's play at IW: did he resort to his old serve?

kobulingam
03-19-2007, 02:13 AM
Someone said on Sky the other day that IW "plays a bit like clay".


Miami is even more like clay (slower, bouncier and takes spin more) :D

These two hardcourt events are a lot different from the ones in the US Open Series (including US Open), which are much faster.