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IW Final Best of 3 or 5 sSets?

adk
03-18-2007, 11:50 AM
Which one please?

Burrow
03-18-2007, 11:54 AM
im sure its 5

jazar
03-18-2007, 11:55 AM
its 3. like all the masters series this year. it should be 5 though. makes it much more interesting

Burrow
03-18-2007, 11:58 AM
only 3? thats absolute crap.

Strangelove
03-18-2007, 11:58 AM
its 3. like all the masters series this year. it should be 5 though. makes it much more interesting:eek:

Really? That stinks. Coulda sworn it was 5 though :shrug:

ASP0315
03-18-2007, 11:59 AM
only 3? thats absolute crap.

The final is best of five. :) not three.

Deathless Mortal
03-18-2007, 12:07 PM
I also heard it's best of 3. But always thought it will be best of 5.

explicit
03-18-2007, 12:09 PM
Hmm, I'm still confused. Is anyone sure it's best of 5?

madmanfool
03-18-2007, 12:15 PM
i don't know, there is nothing on steveg's site. But it does say that monte carlo and hamburg are best of three. So maybe this one is too.

edit: but then again Miami is best of five :)

ASP0315
03-18-2007, 12:18 PM
Hmm, I'm still confused. Is anyone sure it's best of 5?

smucav confirmed it. It is best of five.
http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=98028

decrepitude
03-18-2007, 12:19 PM
The ATP rule book says that finals will be best of 3 BUT this year there can be exceptions if approved by the APT. I am convinced I read that both Indian Wells and Miami are best of 5 this year, but can't remember where I read it!

Next year, best of 3, no exceptions, according to the rule book

http://www.atptennis.com/en/common/TrackIt.asp?file=http://www.atptennis.com/en/players/ATP_Rulebook2007.pdf

scoobs
03-18-2007, 12:21 PM
The last I heard Indian Wells and Miami have retained best of 5 finals because they are 2 week events, the rest have gone down to best of 3.

I haven't heard anything official to contradict that yet.

~EMiLiTA~
03-18-2007, 12:23 PM
as i said in the other thread, the official ATP rules for 2007 say that all ATP event finals are to be best of three EXCEPT indian wells and miami

therefore, it is best of 5

decrepitude
03-18-2007, 12:23 PM
Ah yes, the link saiprakash posted just before my last post takes you eventually to an ATP news item:

"Eleven tournaments with best-of-5-set finals this past season will move to best-of-3 in 2007: Barcelona, Basel, Gstaad, Kitzbuhel, Stuttgart, Vienna and the ATP Masters Series events in Hamburg, Madrid, Monte-Carlo, Paris, and Rome. ATP Tennis Masters Series tournaments Pacific Life Open and Sony Ericsson Open will maintain their five-set finals for 2007."

Tobi
03-18-2007, 02:43 PM
Ah yes, the link saiprakash posted just before my last post takes you eventually to an ATP news item:

"Eleven tournaments with best-of-5-set finals this past season will move to best-of-3 in 2007: Barcelona, Basel, Gstaad, Kitzbuhel, Stuttgart, Vienna and the ATP Masters Series events in Hamburg, Madrid, Monte-Carlo, Paris, and Rome. ATP Tennis Masters Series tournaments Pacific Life Open and Sony Ericsson Open will maintain their five-set finals for 2007."
why are they dropped best of 5 finals to best of 3 :shrug:

ATP :rolleyes:

Malul
03-18-2007, 03:18 PM
next year all tournaments will be played in just one set except the slams where they will play two sets and if it is 1-1,the crowd will decide the winner!:wavey:

sondraj06
03-18-2007, 03:27 PM
next year all tournaments will be played in just one set except the slams where they will play two sets and if it is 1-1,the crowd will decide the winner!:wavey:

HAHAHa, yeah I think that would be perfect, do it gladiator style. Throw in some weapons as well. I love it, and I think if people really give it a go, they'll warm up to it. Especially if it's they're fav player winning the first set.

Sunset of Age
03-18-2007, 03:29 PM
why are they dropped best of 5 finals to best of 3 :shrug:

ATP :rolleyes:

Measure taken by our Beloved Mr. Disney. :mad:

So people - enjoy this final, and the one in Miami... next year all (not the GS, of course!) will be best of three, I heard. :sad: :sad: :sad:

shotgun
03-18-2007, 04:40 PM
Best of 3 sets finals in TMS events = :bs:

RickDaStick
03-18-2007, 04:46 PM
So its best of 5 for sure? Someone in the tournament thread said they sent an email to the tournament director who said it was best of 3 and i noticed espn2 has only scheduled coverage for 2 hours.

adee-gee
03-18-2007, 04:48 PM
next year all tournaments will be played in just one set except the slams where they will play two sets and if it is 1-1,the crowd will decide the winner!:wavey:
Henman might win Wimbledon :D :banana:

The Pro
03-18-2007, 04:49 PM
The bookmakers are taking bets based on the play of best of 3 sets.

I doubt they'd get it wrong, because then people would be wasting money on invalid bets...

Sunset of Age
03-18-2007, 04:50 PM
So its best of 5 for sure? Someone in the tournament thread said they sent an email to the tournament director who said it was best of 3 and i noticed espn2 has only scheduled coverage for 2 hours.

Unless they changed their original plan this very afternoon :help: , it should indeed be best-of-five.

That espn2 scheduling is indeed strange - or have they witnessed Rafa's beatdown of Rodduck yesterday and concluded it will be over in only two hours? :eek:

Sunset of Age
03-18-2007, 04:52 PM
The bookmakers are taking bets based on the play of best of 3 sets.

I doubt they'd get it wrong, because then people would be wasting money on invalid bets...

oh, DAMM!!! :mad: :fiery: :armed:

Here I was, happily anticipating one of the last best-of-five finals... I gather you're right. :sad:

The Pro
03-18-2007, 04:56 PM
Yes, it sucks. Some of the Masters 5-setters were classics. What's another hour or two on court every few weeks anyway?

Just a small change towards a larger workload would pay dividends, as we are all aware of. It's one of the changes for the detriment.

Basically we have RR = lame / Hakweye = good / 3 set finals = ugh.

Sunset of Age
03-18-2007, 04:58 PM
Basically we have RR = lame / Hakweye = good / 3 set finals = ugh.

Fully agree with you here...

Damm man. I feel really, really disappointed now... but at least you woke me up from my happy dream before I'd be harshly finding out this evening! :D

sodman12
03-18-2007, 04:59 PM
Ok This is making me angry. I love the best of 5 set finials. WTF are they thinking? Was there something wrong with the fed-nadal match of last year that they didnt enjoy? the nadal coria match? These people are morons

Johnny Groove
03-18-2007, 05:02 PM
So its best of 5 for sure? Someone in the tournament thread said they sent an email to the tournament director who said it was best of 3 and i noticed espn2 has only scheduled coverage for 2 hours.

so? ESPN always screws up the coverage time window

Sunset of Age
03-18-2007, 05:02 PM
Ok This is making me angry. I love the best of 5 set finials. WTF are they thinking? Was there something wrong with the fed-nadal match of last year that they didnt enjoy? the nadal coria match? These people are morons

It's a total disgrace to the game.

Mr. Disney should be very, very happy that the chance of me running into him is about 0.000000000001 %, otherwise... accidents just may happen. :mad:

Kitty de Sade
03-18-2007, 05:04 PM
And the suspect decision making festivities continue...:help:

Kalliopeia
03-18-2007, 05:05 PM
Ok This is making me angry. I love the best of 5 set finials. WTF are they thinking? Was there something wrong with the fed-nadal match of last year that they didnt enjoy? the nadal coria match? These people are morons

It's the withdrawals that follow grueling best of five set finals that they don't like. Personally I'd rather they just bite the bullet and fix the damn schedule so that mandatory events aren't back to back rather than mess with something that has given us such great matches but god forbid they do anything significant and necessary.

s.m.
03-18-2007, 05:18 PM
according to atp it´s both
first we had link for 5 sets, now here´s one for 3

http://www.atptennis.com/en/media/notes/2007/0404%20ATP%20Masters%20Series%20Indian%20Wells/ATP%20Indian%20Wells%20Sunday%20Final.pdf

jenanun
03-18-2007, 05:19 PM
It's the withdrawals that follow grueling best of five set finals that they don't like. Personally I'd rather they just bite the bullet and fix the damn schedule so that mandatory events aren't back to back rather than mess with something that has given us such great matches but god forbid they do anything significant and necessary.


then, reschedule it! no more back to back master series, problem solved! :rolleyes:

MaryWalsh
03-18-2007, 05:19 PM
It's the withdrawals that follow grueling best of five set finals that they don't like. Personally I'd rather they just bite the bullet and fix the damn schedule so that mandatory events aren't back to back rather than mess with something that has given us such great matches but god forbid they do anything significant and necessary.

My thoughts exactly. I love best of 5 finals. It brings the 2 finalists into gladitorial combat.

All_Slam_Andre
03-18-2007, 05:27 PM
I'm all in favour of events like Stuttgart and Vienna scrapping best of 5 set finals, but not the Masters Series events. Miami 2005, Rome 2005 and 2006 and Madrid 2005 are a few of many great 5 set finals that we have been treated to over the years. This is a bad move. Getting rid of back to back masters series events was the way to go but unfortunately the ATP didn't realise that.

jenanun
03-18-2007, 05:33 PM
I'm all in favour of events like Stuttgart and Vienna scrapping best of 5 set finals, but not the Masters Series events. Miami 2005, Rome 2005 and 2006 and Madrid 2005 are a few of many great 5 set finals that we have been treated to over the years. This is a bad move. Getting rid of back to back masters series events was the way to go but unfortunately the ATP didn't realise that.

excatly, and i think they should change the final of cincinnati and toronto/montreal to the best of 5 as well!
oh well, thats too much to ask for i guess :mad:

sodman12
03-18-2007, 06:13 PM
I think this is worse than round robin if you ask me. Just think no great Roger and Nadal match just a crappy 3 set TB.

Metis
03-18-2007, 06:36 PM
So much confusion! :lol:

It would be funny if Rafa won 2 sets and started celebrating and then Nole started complaining he thought it was best of five. :D

"I was clearly in control and if the ATP hadn't screwed me up I would have won." :p :angel:


Disclaimer: Just kidding Djokovic fans, don't bash me if Nole wins. :lol:

jazar
03-18-2007, 06:38 PM
having 5 set finals is another good reason to pay the men more than the women

njnetswill
03-18-2007, 06:41 PM
having 5 set finals is another good reason to pay the men more than the women

This is slightly off topic, but I just think that the woman should play best of 5 matches at Grand Slams. Then the true athletes will prevail. It's not like the top girls aren't capable of playing best of 5 matches.

jazar
03-18-2007, 06:48 PM
This is slightly off topic, but I just think that the woman should play best of 5 matches at Grand Slams. Then the true athletes will prevail. It's not like the top girls aren't capable of playing best of 5 matches.

men playing 5 sets is interesting and makes for a great and competitive match. women playing 5 sets would be torture

Strangelove
03-18-2007, 06:51 PM
This is slightly off topic, but I just think that the woman should play best of 5 matches at Grand Slams. Then the true athletes will prevail. It's not like the top girls aren't capable of playing best of 5 matches.:worship:

Either that, or pay them less money :(
The least these high-earning ladies can do is play 2 more sets in the final :rolleyes:

njnetswill
03-18-2007, 06:54 PM
men playing 5 sets is interesting and makes for a great and competitive match. women playing 5 sets would be torture

Men's matches aren't always entertaining at the 5 set level.

neenah
03-18-2007, 06:55 PM
It would be funny if Rafa won 2 sets and started celebrating and then Nole started complaining he thought it was best of five. :D

:lol:

jazar
03-18-2007, 06:58 PM
Men's matches aren't always entertaining at the 5 set level.

womens matches aren't always entertaining at the 3 set level, so what makes you think they will be entertaining over 5 sets

njnetswill
03-18-2007, 07:00 PM
womens matches aren't always entertaining at the 3 set level, so what makes you think they will be entertaining over 5 sets

Because then my girl Dementieva will win a Grand Slam by outbreaking all her opponents, 14 breaks of serve to like..9. :p

jazar
03-18-2007, 07:04 PM
Because then my girl Dementieva will win a Grand Slam by outbreaking all her opponents, 14 breaks of serve to like..9. :p

if dementieva played a 5 set match then she would hit more than 100 double faults. that isnt really entertainment, its a farce

CyBorg
03-18-2007, 07:06 PM
Considering that last year's 5-set final in Rome was the match of the year, the tennis authorities drop the ball AGAIN!

And if they leave Miami and IW as the only five-setters then it's yet another example of American favoritism. Pathetic.

jazar
03-18-2007, 07:08 PM
Considering that last year's 5-set final in Rome was the match of the year, the tennis authorities drop the ball AGAIN!

that was a wicked match. and having 5 set finals at IW and miami gave the crowd a few extra minutes of breathtaking entertainment from federer

CyBorg
03-18-2007, 07:15 PM
that was a wicked match. and having 5 set finals at IW and miami gave the crowd a few extra minutes of breathtaking entertainment from federer

I actually wouldn't mind it if it was about half-and-half in terms of which Masters series had five-set finals and which had the best-of-three. I don't mind Toronto-Cincinnati both having best-of-three - they're back-to-back and they're right before the US Open.

Monte Carlo has a very compact atmosphere and a best-of-three seems appropriate -at least acceptable. But Rome? The event that has rivaled the French Open in terms of great clay court tennis the last two years? Asinine.

If tennis wants to keep its players fresh it should sack Hamburg. What they have right now is not a solution - well, perhaps a bandaid solution. I hope the players rebel, just like they did with RR.

de Villiers = dumbass.

jazar
03-18-2007, 07:18 PM
I actually wouldn't mind it if it was about half-and-half in terms of which Masters series had five-set finals and which had the best-of-three. I don't mind Toronto-Cincinnati both having best-of-three - they're back-to-back and they're right before the US Open.

Monte Carlo has a very compact atmosphere and a best-of-three seems appropriate -at least acceptable. But Rome? The event that has rivaled the French Open in terms of great clay court tennis the last two years? Asinine.

If tennis wants to keep its players fresh it should sack Hamburg. What they have right now is not a solution - well, perhaps a bandaid solution. I hope the players rebel, just like they did with RR.

de Villiers = dumbass.

i think it should depend who is in the final and how competitive it will be. most of the masters series events have had what you may call 'classic' finals over the past few years and these have been over 5 sets. the only one that hasnt really is hamburg, so something needs to happen with that. and also maybe paris.

but the players wont rebel, cos they probably dont mind being that little bit fresher going into the next tournament and besides very few players reach a masters series final, so the majority have nothing to complain about

FluffyYellowBall
03-18-2007, 07:23 PM
i hope its best of 5 like most say. Its a shame if other tms finls became best of 3 only. Looking back at madrid, rome, and Monte carlo, it wouldve sucked if it was best of three

Peoples
03-18-2007, 07:40 PM
Funny how people saying 3 or 5 are evenly divided. Maybe it should be a poll :lol:

Anyway my prediction is that it will be 3 this time and in future and I fully support TMS finals best of 3. No need to kill the players with marathons unless it's slams.

peripheral
03-18-2007, 07:49 PM
In response to one of the posts on his blog, Peter Bodo says that he's 100% sure it's 3 sets :shrug:

Scotso
03-18-2007, 07:59 PM
I think all masters series should remain best of five.

FluffyYellowBall
03-18-2007, 08:13 PM
ok were all hopeless:rolleyes:
Anyone heard anything from the comentators???

Metis
03-18-2007, 08:14 PM
umpire just said best of 3

jazar
03-18-2007, 08:19 PM
umpire just said best of 3

so i was right :angel:

CyBorg
03-18-2007, 08:26 PM
umpire just said best of 3

Nice to know we're emulating the ladies' game now.

What's next? Mandatory shrieking?

Good job, ATP. Splendid.

FluffyYellowBall
03-18-2007, 08:27 PM
Now THIS is as bad as round robin :@:@:@:@

CyBorg
03-18-2007, 08:30 PM
Now THIS is as bad as round robin :@:@:@:@

Worse.

The ATP is trying to justify equal pay amongst men and women by having both genders play an equal amount of sets.

Pure politics. You have Billie Jean King to thank for this.

jazar
03-18-2007, 08:31 PM
eurosport says is best of 5, and the way nole has started he must be hoping it is best of 5

gusman890
03-18-2007, 08:33 PM
Espn's scoreboard only has 3 sets on it.

scoobs
03-18-2007, 08:34 PM
I'm disappointed they've reduced this to best of 3 sets (if they have)

With main draw action for the seeds in Miami nearly a week away, there's no reason not to play best of 5 here.

Fee
03-18-2007, 08:36 PM
umpire just said best of 3

Are we safe in believing him? ;)

By the way, there is nothing on the ATP fact sheet about this, which I find kind of strange.

MrExcel
03-18-2007, 08:39 PM
Sky Sports commentators just said its best of 3 too, and that Miami is the only non-slam event to still have best of 5.

Weird as the ATP hasn't said anything about it changing.

Fee
03-18-2007, 08:41 PM
Of course they did, last year when they announced the 'changes for 2007', one of those changes was no more Best of five set finals in Masters. The exception was granted to Miami, it is still Best of Five as noted on the ATP Fact sheet.

RickDaStick
03-18-2007, 08:41 PM
Of course they did, last year when they announced the 'changes for 2007', one of those changes was no more Best of five set finals in Masters. The exception was granted to Miami, it is still Best of Five as noted on the ATP Fact sheet.

It said with the exception of Indian Wells and Miami.

MrExcel
03-18-2007, 08:44 PM
It said with the exception of Indian Wells and Miami.

That's what I thought :shrug:

Fee
03-18-2007, 08:47 PM
It said with the exception of Indian Wells and Miami.

What 'it' are you referring to?

Nevermind, I found the 'it' - the ATP story dated Nov 26, 2006. Again, I find it odd that the Fact Sheet for this tournament doesn't state up front that its a best of 3 or 5 final, and I really wonder if they made that decision after the event began.

CyBorg
03-18-2007, 08:48 PM
I just have one question - what makes Miami special?

The fifth-slam stuff is pure propaganda perpetuated by the owner of the tournament. Money talks, I guess.

A tourney with no history whatsoever gets all the perks. Once again tennis bends over to the gringos and takes it up the rear.

Voo de Mar
03-18-2007, 08:48 PM
In Indian Wells & Key Biscayne/Miami the finals were sometimes "the best of 3" and on the other occasions "the best of 5". There is always illogical.

RickDaStick
03-18-2007, 08:50 PM
From the ATP news release talking about the changes for 2007: ATP Tennis Masters Series tournaments Pacific Life Open and Sony Ericsson Open will maintain their five-set finals for 2007.

CyBorg
03-18-2007, 08:53 PM
Why make it mandatory when Nole and Rafa are grunting at each other quite vigorously to begin with? :)

Not the same. I want to hear sopranos.;)

FluffyYellowBall
03-18-2007, 09:02 PM
Sky Sports commentators just said its best of 3 too, and that Miami is the only non-slam event to still have best of 5.

Weird as the ATP hasn't said anything about it changing.
thats just retarted to have miami best of 5 and iw best of 3. WHatever anyway....Y cant they make it clear once a decision is changed?? Mr disney cant just change sooo many things in just one year. this isnt post war reconstruction.

And no mandatory shrieking please:o Shreikapova's grunting is enough to be shared amongst all the players

mecir72
03-18-2007, 09:26 PM
The information from the ATP is really bad, just as bad as the decisions. Maybe they try to hide their horrible decisions by not making them known.

Yappa
03-18-2007, 09:27 PM
Sad, because this match is now more entertaining than I expected.

brent-o
03-18-2007, 09:33 PM
This is slightly off topic, but I just think that the woman should play best of 5 matches at Grand Slams. Then the true athletes will prevail. It's not like the top girls aren't capable of playing best of 5 matches.

Could you imagine all the unforced errors in a 5-set women's match? It wouldn't be pretty.

atheneglaukopis
03-18-2007, 09:33 PM
Maybe Mr. Disney was deliberately obfuscating, so if Rafa and Roger had made the final, he could make it best of 5, but if Blake had made the final, he could make it best of 3. :aplot:

Fee
03-18-2007, 09:38 PM
Why make it mandatory when Nole and Rafa are grunting at each other quite vigorously to begin with? :)

you're just beside yourself right now, aren't you? ;)

mecir72
03-18-2007, 09:43 PM
Maybe Mr. Disney was deliberately obfuscating, so if Rafa and Roger had made the final, he could make it best of 5, but if Blake had made the final, he could make it best of 3. :aplot:

That actually sounds plausible :)

FluffyYellowBall
03-18-2007, 09:45 PM
Could you imagine all the unforced errors in a 5-set women's match? It wouldn't be pretty.

After watching sharapova souble fault into her own side of the court against zvonareva, no i wouldnt like to watch womens five set finals:o Eventhough mauresmo suggested this, her fitness is exceptional along with henin and a few others but its still not enough... And with girls like vaidisova who think the can play winner from outside the court gonzalez style it wouldnt be pretty. Unfortunately thats how most young players r tought how to play..

I dont think its fair that just because its fair pay now so they play best of three..

Serving for championship now!!!

Adler
03-18-2007, 09:45 PM
We'll soon find out :)

zicofirol
03-18-2007, 09:48 PM
I guess its best 3... that sucks...

CyBorg
03-18-2007, 09:57 PM
I'd like to see the women play a five-setter, so that they could prove to everyone just how much they suck.

They'd be taken out on stretchers if they don't retire before the last set.

decrepitude
03-18-2007, 10:04 PM
So, obviously Indian Wells changed their minds and went to best of 3. I thought it was odd that it wasn't mentioned in their factsheet.

Miami's factsheet however definitely says best of 5 - so make the most of it, apart from slams it will be the last you see (until the ATP change their minds again anyway:D )

jazar
03-18-2007, 11:28 PM
we have had a six page discussion on this and only found out the answer for sure when nadal won in 2

Seneca
03-18-2007, 11:37 PM
Oh, f**k this weak s**t.

That didn't feel like an AMS Final at all. I really don't know any reasonable explanation for having a best-of-3 final when the next tournament starts on Friday for the top seeds. Fatigue can not be a factor there.

Thanks for all the great new adjustments to the Tour. 2007 is going to be such a blast!

~EMiLiTA~
03-19-2007, 01:18 AM
so that ATP info i read a few days ago is incorrect. i wish these idiotic twits at the ATP would make up their minds and stop changing rules whenever they feel like it. IMO i think all masters finals should be best of 5 (and that they shouldn't schedule back to back masters like rome/hamburg, canada/cinci)...but if they can't do that at least make IW and Miami best of 5...they're the most long-drawn out tournaments and no one has to play until at least Wed or so. what bullshit that it's only best of 3.

Jimnik
03-19-2007, 01:41 AM
When did the ATP decide to switch to a best of 3 sets final?

At 6-2 6-5 40-0, I was shocked to see "Championship Point" on the screen.

tennisrocks123
03-19-2007, 02:35 AM
how come the match was only best of 3 sets?

Billabong
03-19-2007, 03:55 AM
Terrible change:sad:

Hola Mr. SK
03-19-2007, 04:05 AM
Good for Rafa

Fee
03-19-2007, 04:22 AM
When did the ATP decide to switch to a best of 3 sets final?

At 6-2 6-5 40-0, I was shocked to see "Championship Point" on the screen.

how come the match was only best of 3 sets?

Gee I don't know, if only someone would do a five page thread talking about it...

;)

Merton
03-19-2007, 04:33 AM
This whole confusion is quite embarrasing, I realized it was best of 3 only when I saw that the betting markets were not giving set odds for a best of 5 match and it became certain only when the chair umpire announced it at the beginning of the match.

uglyamerican
03-19-2007, 04:43 AM
Miami will be best of 5 sets.

njnetswill
03-19-2007, 05:22 AM
:o This 3 set / 5 set confusion better not cost me my first TT title.

Jaffas85
03-19-2007, 07:58 AM
All Masters Series finals are now best of 3.

That was announced towards the end of last year; I thought it was common knowledge.

Action Jackson
03-19-2007, 08:06 AM
We found out the hard way.

jenanun
03-19-2007, 08:48 AM
All Masters Series finals are now best of 3.

That was announced towards the end of last year; I thought it was common knowledge.


except miami

Jaffas85
03-19-2007, 01:17 PM
Why is Miami exempt?

Also, Is the Tennis Masters Cup going to be best of 3 or 5 from now on as I wasn't sure if that tournament was included with the new rule with the 9 Masters events.

Thanks.

Shabazza
03-19-2007, 01:26 PM
This just sucks. What a let down of a final for a 2 week Masters. :mad:
I really hope Miami will stay best of 5.