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The exact moment I became worried about Andy

celia
03-18-2007, 01:42 AM
I am sick about this loss. I did not expect it. I really thought that Andy was playing so much better, making it all the way through the draw without dropping a set. And then there was the moment when I thought/knew that he was going to lose. They were 2-2 in the first set. Andy was serving. Nadal hit a beautiful crosscourt forehand during the opening point. 0-15. Then Andy double-faulted. 0-30. I started to worry. Then he double-faulted again. 0-40. Minor anxiety attack. Then he seemed slightly to bear down. But not enough. Nadal won the game. In hindsight I realised that I started worrying the exact moment that Nadal effortlessly returned that crosscourt topspin forehand. Damn him. I am so sick of Roddick losing when it is quite possible for him to win. I am of so sick of his tensing up and ruining his game. he could have beaten Nadal today. I am sure of that. He did not because, like me, he started to panic much too soon.

eck
03-18-2007, 01:43 AM
Oh I thought you meant Andy Murray :o

trixtah
03-18-2007, 01:43 AM
I am sick about this loss. I did not expect it. I really thought that Andy was playing so much better, making it all the way through the draw without dropping a set. And then there was the moment when I thought/knew that he was going to lose. They were 2-2 in the first set. Andy was serving. Nadal hit a beautiful crosscourt forehand during the opening point. 0-15. Then Andy double-faulted. 0-30. I started to worry. Then he double-faulted again. 0-40. Minor anxiety attack. Then he seemed slightly to bear down. But not enough. Nadal won the game. In hindsight I realised that I started worrying the exact moment that Nadal effortlessly returned that crosscourt topspin forehand. Damn him. I am so sick of Roddick losing when it is quite possible for him to win. I am of so sick of his tensing up and ruining his game. he could have beaten Nadal today. I am sure of that. He did not because, like me, he started to panic much too soon.

lol.

celia
03-18-2007, 01:44 AM
Oh I thought you meant Andy Murray :o

:lol: :lol: silly you. :ras:

celia
03-18-2007, 01:44 AM
lol.

yes he could have. :rolleyes:

zicofirol
03-18-2007, 01:45 AM
Oh I thought you meant Andy Murray :o

lol me too..

trixtah
03-18-2007, 01:46 AM
yes he could have. :rolleyes:

i'm so sure

el_croata
03-18-2007, 01:48 AM
that's why he could give ljubo a try
ljubo at least can hurt nadal in ralies
rodick's serve was very poor today

trixtah
03-18-2007, 01:52 AM
Andy panicked and bitched out today. Whose fault is it that he panicked? His own. He had no chance of winning today. What kind of thread is this? Shoulda, woulda, coulda? Well we could say the same about anyone. You never know. The fact is that he lost today easily, ERGO, he had NO CHANCE

jitterbug
03-18-2007, 01:59 AM
Oh I thought you meant Andy Murray :o

Haha me too

Shabazza
03-18-2007, 02:01 AM
Oh I thought you meant Andy Murray :o

No wonder the timing of this thread was great... ;)

celia
03-18-2007, 02:15 AM
Haha me too

does this mean that there was an exact moment when you became worried about Andy #2??

celia
03-18-2007, 02:19 AM
Andy panicked and bitched out today. Whose fault is it that he panicked? His own. He had no chance of winning today. What kind of thread is this? Shoulda, woulda, coulda? Well we could say the same about anyone. You never know. The fact is that he lost today easily, ERGO, he had NO CHANCE

I agree that Andy panicked but I disagree on the bitching part. Yes he panicked very soon. It was early in the first set when he had a full-blown anxiety attack. I disagree however that he had no chance. To say this is to deny the impact of performance anxiety. It's no different than a student's mind going completely blank when facing an exam. It does not mean that the person is not intelligent or that they could not have aced the exam. But anxiety interfered. It happens. Snap!

blosson
03-18-2007, 02:20 AM
Andy confusion here.

jitterbug
03-18-2007, 02:26 AM
does this mean that there was an exact moment when you became worried about Andy #2??

The moment he took that colossal tumble onto his hip in the Haas match, to be precise :angel:

celia
03-18-2007, 02:30 AM
The moment he took that colossal tumble onto his hip in the Haas match, to be precise :angel:

I did not see that match. It sounds ouch! Now I understand why he may hve lost.

Really people, talking about any Andy will do. I happen to like them both.

trixtah
03-18-2007, 02:47 AM
I agree that Andy panicked but I disagree on the bitching part. Yes he panicked very soon. It was early in the first set when he had a full-blown anxiety attack. I disagree however that he had no chance. To say this is to deny the impact of performance anxiety. It's no different than a student's mind going completely blank when facing an exam. It does not mean that the person is not intelligent or that they could not have aced the exam. But anxiety interfered. It happens. Snap!

what the hell are you talking about. You think this affects only one player? That's the beauty of the game. It's one on one in fairly equal conditions. To say what you've said is just to affirm what I've said. You're just proving to me that Nadal is the stronger of the two mentally. That's all you're saying here. Roddick hit some splendid shots off of Nadal's serve. He didn't panic... ??? You need to go back to school and relearn your psychology. The psyche of high performance athletes is very very different from the normal person. Roddick has been playing the sport for how long? He's not going to snap now, early in the first set. The only thing that's certain is that you're trying to ascribe to his loss some sort of external influence. Simply said, stop making excuses.

celia
03-18-2007, 02:54 AM
what the hell are you talking about. You think this affects only one player? That's the beauty of the game. It's one on one in fairly equal conditions. To say what you've said is just to affirm what I've said. You're just proving to me that Nadal is the stronger of the mental players. Roddick hit some splendid shots off of Nadal's serve. He didn't panic... ???

I agree that Nadal is mentally the stronger of the two, which is why he won. Andy lost not because he is an inferior player but because he panicked very early in the first set. Sure he hit some winners after that -- he is after all a top player -- but he was way too tense too early in the match. And I disagree -- anxiety does not affect everyone equally. Some people suffer from it and some/many do not, except under extreme circumstances. I myself tend to be an anxious person, especially in a match. I can beat the same player the day before when practicing. Put me in a match and I freeze up and start playing crap. That's why I understand why Andy has had such a topsy-turvy career. I am surprised that he has not played more doubles -- that helps you to get past the anxiety because you're not alone out there. At least that is what has helped me tremendously.

celia
03-18-2007, 04:53 PM
that's why he could give ljubo a try
ljubo at least can hurt nadal in ralies
rodick's serve was very poor today

so he should have tanked the match against Ljubo??

sondraj06
03-18-2007, 05:01 PM
I agree that Nadal is mentally the stronger of the two, which is why he won. Andy lost not because he is an inferior player but because he panicked very early in the first set. Sure he hit some winners after that -- he is after all a top player -- but he was way too tense too early in the match. And I disagree -- anxiety does not affect everyone equally. Some people suffer from it and some/many do not, except under extreme circumstances. I myself tend to be an anxious person, especially in a match. I can beat the same player the day before when practicing. Put me in a match and I freeze up and start playing crap. That's why I understand why Andy has had such a topsy-turvy career. I am surprised that he has not played more doubles -- that helps you to get past the anxiety because you're not alone out there. At least that is what has helped me tremendously.

I have to disagree, I like andy but the reality of his game is even if he would have played to pare, with nadal playing like he did Roddick had no chance outside of serving great.

He's serving gets him out of trouble when he is playing bad, and wins him matches when he is playing good.

So even if he was on with his game, rafa had too many weapons for him even with Roddick's best he had no answers for Rafa.

shrudy
03-18-2007, 07:10 PM
I agree that Nadal is mentally the stronger of the two, which is why he won. Andy lost not because he is an inferior player but because he panicked very early in the first set.

But to me, and I think most everyone, mental composure is one the variables you judge a player on, along with talent, fitness, intelligence, etc. Andy is an inferior player to Nadal, because mental composure is as important as physical ability. I'm sure there are thousand of athletes endowed with great natural ability who lack the mental edge to compete at the highest level. We don't bemoan their bad "fate"; they are inferior athletes. I don't see why Roddick is any exception.

FluffyYellowBall
03-18-2007, 07:29 PM
yes he could have. :rolleyes:

no..his top spin/big hitting forehand is of no use.

nkhera1
03-18-2007, 11:12 PM
I don't think Roddick holds any advantage over Nadal except for serve, but that is almost neutralized by Roddick's pathetic service return.

Pea
03-19-2007, 02:36 AM
Find a new fav, geez!

scoobs
03-19-2007, 02:47 AM
I note with interest that when someone starts a thread about "Andy" there's a large assumption that they mean Murray and not Roddick now :)

That'll piss Debs off :)

Jimnik
03-19-2007, 02:48 AM
He thinks he'll beat Nadal by rallying from behind the baseline. :retard:

Now that I realise this, I'm definately starting to worry about him. ;)

SBruguera
03-19-2007, 02:48 AM
I am sick about this loss. I did not expect it. I really thought that Andy was playing so much better, making it all the way through the draw without dropping a set. And then there was the moment when I thought/knew that he was going to lose. They were 2-2 in the first set. Andy was serving. Nadal hit a beautiful crosscourt forehand during the opening point. 0-15. Then Andy double-faulted. 0-30. I started to worry. Then he double-faulted again. 0-40. Minor anxiety attack. Then he seemed slightly to bear down. But not enough. Nadal won the game. In hindsight I realised that I started worrying the exact moment that Nadal effortlessly returned that crosscourt topspin forehand. Damn him. I am so sick of Roddick losing when it is quite possible for him to win. I am of so sick of his tensing up and ruining his game. he could have beaten Nadal today. I am sure of that. He did not because, like me, he started to panic much too soon.

I think that the exact moment that Andy became worried about you was reading your post

kobulingam
03-19-2007, 02:52 AM
The exact moment I became worried about Andy is when I realized he brought his secondary crappier version of forehand to the tournament. He rarely brings his good forehand to a tournament (I last saw it in full flight at Cincy06).

Tennis Fool
03-19-2007, 03:16 AM
Where was Connors?

Stensland
03-19-2007, 03:23 AM
come on, how can anyone even THINK of roddick being the superior player?! nadal's forehand? way better. nadal's backhand: better. nadal's overall fitness: way better. roddick's serve: usually way better, in that match just "better" as nadal was also serving pretty well. so that's 3-1 nadal.

but given that fact that nadal's returns superb, it all went down for andy.

once the ball was in play, roddick's chances sunk like hell. you could tell by the first couple of games that there was just no way for andy to beat nadal.

celia
03-19-2007, 03:26 AM
But to me, and I think most everyone, mental composure is one the variables you judge a player on, along with talent, fitness, intelligence, etc. Andy is an inferior player to Nadal, because mental composure is as important as physical ability. I'm sure there are thousand of athletes endowed with great natural ability who lack the mental edge to compete at the highest level. We don't bemoan their bad "fate"; they are inferior athletes. I don't see why Roddick is any exception.

I was not saying (nor did I mean to imply) that you should not judge him on his lack of mental composure. Absolutely, this is a variable on which he and every other player should be measured. What I meant to say is that his lack of mental composure (IMO) was the principal reason why he lost, and not because of his lack of tennis ability. Everyone keeps deconstructing Andy's game and talking about his forehand breaking down, and his serving going off, and him planting himself behind the baseline. ALL of those are indices, symptoms if you will, of an anxiety problem. And this mental problem appears much more against certain opponents. That is my point.

celia
03-19-2007, 03:27 AM
I think that the exact moment that Andy became worried about you was reading your post

I wish that were true. That would mean that we had met and hooked up. Sadly this has not yet happened. But it still could. Snap!

Black Adam
03-19-2007, 11:24 AM
that's why he could give ljubo a try
ljubo at least can hurt nadal in ralies
rodick's serve was very poor today
The dumbest post of the month. You clearly don't understand the concept of competion:rolleyes:

mecir72
03-19-2007, 11:50 AM
It was all too clear that when Nadal plays like this Roddick will never ever break serve. He just has nothing except the first serve than can hurt Nadal. infact I think Roddick should go for service winners of both first and second serves in their next match hehe.

The_Nadal_effect
03-19-2007, 06:34 PM
"Besides A-ROd's first serve ace,
His post-match humour remains his only saving grace."

I quite like him as a player but its very clear that serving at 237 km per hours (that's at least 37 km/hr faster than Nadal's best serves), is not enough to judge your calibre as a player of the game. Rafa has far too many mental strengths plus he refuses to dance like Andy does. That is how it stands with old Andy. The younger Andy,I fancy more.

Rosa Luxembourg
03-19-2007, 08:07 PM
I am sick about this loss. I did not expect it. I really thought that Andy was playing so much better, making it all the way through the draw without dropping a set. And then there was the moment when I thought/knew that he was going to lose. They were 2-2 in the first set. Andy was serving. Nadal hit a beautiful crosscourt forehand during the opening point. 0-15. Then Andy double-faulted. 0-30. I started to worry. Then he double-faulted again. 0-40. Minor anxiety attack. Then he seemed slightly to bear down. But not enough. Nadal won the game. In hindsight I realised that I started worrying the exact moment that Nadal effortlessly returned that crosscourt topspin forehand. Damn him. I am so sick of Roddick losing when it is quite possible for him to win. I am of so sick of his tensing up and ruining his game. he could have beaten Nadal today. I am sure of that. He did not because, like me, he started to panic much too soon.


:haha:


gotta give us a warning when you post something like this. :p

Rosa Luxembourg
03-19-2007, 08:08 PM
Where was Connors?


Way overrated as Roddick's coach. Ppl expect miracles, I guess. :p

Yoda
03-19-2007, 08:17 PM
We're back to '2 in the mix'

Misterman
03-21-2007, 03:07 AM
Roddick is the most arrogant, conceited ass clown in the ATP. Mocking his opponents, and swearing at them and the linesmen when he doesn't get his shot or call.
I'm amazed he has even one fan.
What do you see in him that you want him to win ????

~*BGT*~
03-21-2007, 03:46 PM
come on, how can anyone even THINK of roddick being the superior player?! nadal's forehand? way better. nadal's backhand: better. nadal's overall fitness: way better. roddick's serve: usually way better, in that match just "better" as nadal was also serving pretty well. so that's 3-1 nadal.

but given that fact that nadal's returns superb, it all went down for andy.

once the ball was in play, roddick's chances sunk like hell. you could tell by the first couple of games that there was just no way for andy to beat nadal.

Nadal asn't just serving pretty well. At one point, he had 89% first serves in, finishing the match with 84%. Andy was serving at just 58%. It's tough to win when your opponent's serving like that, no matter who you are.

r2473
03-21-2007, 08:14 PM
I am sick about this loss. I did not expect it. I really thought that Andy was playing so much better, making it all the way through the draw without dropping a set. And then there was the moment when I thought/knew that he was going to lose. They were 2-2 in the first set. Andy was serving. Nadal hit a beautiful crosscourt forehand during the opening point. 0-15. Then Andy double-faulted. 0-30. I started to worry. Then he double-faulted again. 0-40. Minor anxiety attack. Then he seemed slightly to bear down. But not enough. Nadal won the game. In hindsight I realised that I started worrying the exact moment that Nadal effortlessly returned that crosscourt topspin forehand. Damn him. I am so sick of Roddick losing when it is quite possible for him to win. I am of so sick of his tensing up and ruining his game. he could have beaten Nadal today. I am sure of that. He did not because, like me, he started to panic much too soon.

Bad match up for Roddick. Andy will always have trouble with players that can get his serve back and are conistent, grind it out, not go for broke players.

For Andy to beat Nadal, either his serve has to be perfect or near perfect, or Nadal has to make more unforced errors. Roddick surely can't rally with Nadal and expect to win.

I was at the match. It really was a beat down from 2-2 in the 1st. As soon as Nadal got Roddick's serve timed, it was all over. Roddick knew it too.

celia
03-21-2007, 08:48 PM
Bad match up for Roddick. Andy will always have trouble with players that can get his serve back and are conistent, grind it out, not go for broke players.

For Andy to beat Nadal, either his serve has to be perfect or near perfect, or Nadal has to make more unforced errors. Roddick surely can't rally with Nadal and expect to win.

I was at the match. It really was a beat down from 2-2 in the 1st. As soon as Nadal got Roddick's serve timed, it was all over. Roddick knew it too.

Excellent observations. I was at the gym. But I clearly remember Andy's change in demeanor from this point. He was not the same afterwards. He tightened up and started playing poopoo. I agree that his poor serving did not help, but all I am saying is that his poor serving was the result of his tightening up.

Byrd
03-21-2007, 09:01 PM
Here's highlights of the match, and watch the rally at 2:05, Nadal totally dominates and exposes how bad Roddicks baseline game is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGP1p5rec1c

sondraj06
03-21-2007, 09:08 PM
It's very few people who can out best Rafa in rallies, Blake is one of them. So I would suggest players find a new strategy against Rafa unless they are truly accomplished ralliers. I often find myself thinking while watching his game, rafa don't go for the big serve when his first serve doens't make it, just go into a rally he has a more than 60% chance of winning the point if he does. So I'm a little more comfortable when he rallies.

The_Nadal_effect
03-22-2007, 06:14 PM
Roddick is the most arrogant, conceited ass clown in the ATP.

I would have to disagree here. Safin fits the bill perfectly.