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What to make of some of Roddick's lopsided losses this year.

martinatreue
03-18-2007, 12:05 AM
He seems to be having a good year. Nevertheless, no titles yet and some really lopsided losses at times. he lost 64 60 62 to Federer in Australian Open semis then a straight set loss to Andy Murray in San Jose (score was not bad on that one though 67 46). Then he loses 36 26 to Haas in Memphis and now 46 36 to Rafa in IW on hard court.

What do these losses mean for Roddick's collaboration with Connors? has his game improved but he just ran into guys who were on fire on those days? What do you all think of some of these lopsided losses? To me it seems like once you put him under pressure then his serve starts to desert him. Once his serve goes away then then his backhand starts missing left and right, he overhits his forehand and his volleys don't get the job done.

Anyways what are your guys' thoughts?

RickDaStick
03-18-2007, 12:12 AM
He seems to be having a good year. Nevertheless, no titles yet and some really lopsided losses at times. he lost 64 60 62 to Federer in Australian Open semis then a straight set loss to Andy Murray in San Jose (score was not bad on that one though 67 46). Then he loses 36 26 to Haas in Memphis and now 46 36 to Rafa in IW on hard court.

What do these losses mean for Roddick's collaboration with Connors? has his game improved but he just ran into guys who were on fire on those days? What do you all think of some of these lopsided losses? To me it seems like once you put him under pressure then his serve starts to desert him. Once his serve goes away then then his backhand starts missing left and right, he overhits his forehand and his volleys don't get the job done.

Anyways what are your guys' thoughts?


My thought is if Roddick doesnt find a way to serve around 75 % then we will see many more of these lop side losses.

BlakeorHenman
03-18-2007, 12:13 AM
yeah good point

Black Adam
03-18-2007, 12:17 AM
Simple: he didn't show up and an imitation of him would senselessly rush to the net or moonball while standing 5 feet behind the baseline :rolleyes:

Allstar
03-18-2007, 12:18 AM
He seems to be having a good year. Nevertheless, no titles yet and some really lopsided losses at times. he lost 64 60 62 to Federer in Australian Open semis then a straight set loss to Andy Murray in San Jose (score was not bad on that one though 67 46). Then he loses 36 26 to Haas in Memphis and now 46 36 to Rafa in IW on hard court.

What do these losses mean for Roddick's collaboration with Connors? has his game improved but he just ran into guys who were on fire on those days? What do you all think of some of these lopsided losses? To me it seems like once you put him under pressure then his serve starts to desert him. Once his serve goes away then then his backhand starts missing left and right, he overhits his forehand and his volleys don't get the job done.

Anyways what are your guys' thoughts?

A solid players with a big serve but will never have the real class. Federer, Haas and Murray are just far better technically

Shrinking Violet
03-18-2007, 12:18 AM
They were saying tonight that they think that Roddick has an inferiority complex with some guys and that he doesn't believe he can play with them from the back of the court and that's a contributing factor as to why he's getting creamed. I don't know if any of his fans would agree with that because I don't follow him that closely, but it sounds like it's something like that. He certainly has an abysmal record against the top men recently and has been outclassed in a lot of the matches against them. There's clearly something wrong somewhere that needs work.

Kitty de Sade
03-18-2007, 12:19 AM
My thought is if Roddick doesnt find a way to serve around 75 % then we will see many more of these lop side losses.

Spot on IMO. It just seems like Roddick doesn't have much of a back up plan if the serve isn't working.

Not sure if it's a question of he just isn't thinking or worse, that he actually can't do anything else. Either way, this was not a good day for him.

BlakeorHenman
03-18-2007, 12:21 AM
Spot on IMO. It just seems like Roddick doesn't have much of a back up plan if the serve isn't working.

Not sure if it's a question of he just isn't thinking or worse, that he actually can't do anything else. Either way, this was not a good day for him.

Yes... but I can't help but think... what more can he expect? When your game is built around one shot, you have to expect that your game is gonna get you in trouble sometimes. and if that's the case, you should be satisfied with a MS Semi.

Kitty de Sade
03-18-2007, 12:24 AM
Yes... but I can't help but think... what more can he expect? When your game is built around one shot, you have to expect that your game is gonna get you in trouble sometimes. and if that's the case, you should be satisfied with a MS Semi.

In total agreement. I can't say that I am a fan of his, but I don't get any enjoyment out of watching him flail around without a clue. I hope he can get it together, but it's not looking like its going that route.

BlakeorHenman
03-18-2007, 12:28 AM
It's s weird... when he has that confidence he can challenge even Fed. But when he doesn't... we see what we saw today. Now, I am not at all a fan of his, but you're right. It's sad to watch someone THAT clueless on a tennis court, and I want to see him play the best of his ability. The problem with Roddick is that he expected to dominate as a birthrite... until Federer came along. Now he's starting to realize that he has to fight for practically every win. Nothing comes easy to him these days, and confindence can only last so long...

Giggles
03-18-2007, 12:33 AM
They were saying tonight that they think that Roddick has an inferiority complex with some guys and that he doesn't believe he can play with them from the back of the court and that's a contributing factor as to why he's getting creamed. I don't know if any of his fans would agree with that because I don't follow him that closely, but it sounds like it's something like that. He certainly has an abysmal record against the top men recently and has been outclassed in a lot of the matches against them. There's clearly something wrong somewhere that needs work.

Agreed. Besides, in general, when Roddick is behind, he sinks instead of raising the level of his game. Therefore, when he loses, he does miserably. He needs to learn how to become tough when going gets tough. I think Connors is doing a good job in the technical aspects of Roddick. But for mental toughness, Roddick should watch Nalby's games :devil:

A_Skywalker
03-18-2007, 12:39 AM
It is just that serve is not enough. SOmetimes yes, but against such players like Nadal it will not work. Serving is not the only thing in tennis.

Jlee
03-18-2007, 01:27 AM
It is just that serve is not enough. SOmetimes yes, but against such players like Nadal it will not work. Serving is not the only thing in tennis.

It's kind of funny how someone with a serve and nothing else is able to stay at the top of the game for years at a time. Isn't it odd how he really is crap at everything but the serve, but still managed to get a slam, reach number one, and get to mutiple GS finals? How weird is that!? Yeah, it's amazing how Karlovic seems to be a lot better on the serve but isn't at the top, I just can't figure that one out. I mean, if he only has a serve, how has he accomplished much of anything? I guess it's just something we'll never understand.

:rolleyes:

BlakeorHenman
03-18-2007, 01:28 AM
It's kind of funny how someone with a serve and nothing else is able to stay at the top of the game for years at a time. Isn't it odd how he really is crap at everything but the serve, but still managed to get a slam, reach number one, and get to mutiple GS finals? How weird is that!? Yeah, it's amazing how Karlovic seems to be a lot better on the serve but isn't at the top, I just can't figure that one out. I mean, if he only has a serve, how has he accomplished much of anything? I guess it's just something we'll never understand.

:rolleyes:


Well... Roddick does have superior groundies to karlovic... its not really that surprising.

Jlee
03-18-2007, 01:30 AM
Well... Roddick does have superior groundies to karlovic... its not really that surprising.

:secret: That's my point.

Allure
03-18-2007, 02:19 AM
It's kind of funny how someone with a serve and nothing else is able to stay at the top of the game for years at a time. Isn't it odd how he really is crap at everything but the serve, but still managed to get a slam, reach number one, and get to mutiple GS finals? How weird is that!? Yeah, it's amazing how Karlovic seems to be a lot better on the serve but isn't at the top, I just can't figure that one out. I mean, if he only has a serve, how has he accomplished much of anything? I guess it's just something we'll never understand.

:rolleyes:

And good forehand too.;)

R.Federer
03-18-2007, 02:28 AM
He will hopefully have a good run in the hard court season, or probably beginning with Wimbledon.

He has got to show some improvement in results soon, or I don't think these results that you call lopsided would be considered lopsided any more :shrug:



He seems to be having a good year. Nevertheless, no titles yet and some really lopsided losses at times. he lost 64 60 62 to Federer in Australian Open semis then a straight set loss to Andy Murray in San Jose (score was not bad on that one though 67 46). Then he loses 36 26 to Haas in Memphis and now 46 36 to Rafa in IW on hard court.

What do these losses mean for Roddick's collaboration with Connors? has his game improved but he just ran into guys who were on fire on those days? What do you all think of some of these lopsided losses? To me it seems like once you put him under pressure then his serve starts to desert him. Once his serve goes away then then his backhand starts missing left and right, he overhits his forehand and his volleys don't get the job done.

Anyways what are your guys' thoughts?

celia
03-18-2007, 02:56 AM
Technically Andy's game is fine. But he tends to panic too quickly against certain opponents.

sondraj06
03-18-2007, 03:02 AM
Spot on IMO. It just seems like Roddick doesn't have much of a back up plan if the serve isn't working.

Not sure if it's a question of he just isn't thinking or worse, that he actually can't do anything else. Either way, this was not a good day for him.

Yes, that is completely right. It was the same with Rafa, when the grind and push of the baseline game didn't work he just didn't know where to go. Fortunately for him it didn't not work against enough people so he stayed at number 2. But Roddick game is all about his serve, there's not much after that. And when his serve goes, so does he.

I'm sad for Andy, I really wanted more from him, poor thing :sad:

sondraj06
03-18-2007, 03:04 AM
It's kind of funny how someone with a serve and nothing else is able to stay at the top of the game for years at a time. Isn't it odd how he really is crap at everything but the serve, but still managed to get a slam, reach number one, and get to mutiple GS finals? How weird is that!? Yeah, it's amazing how Karlovic seems to be a lot better on the serve but isn't at the top, I just can't figure that one out. I mean, if he only has a serve, how has he accomplished much of anything? I guess it's just something we'll never understand.

:rolleyes:

Not saying that Roddick doesn't have anything else. He doesn't have much of anything else. And when he goes up against some one who does have much more to give, he looks like a lost puppy caught in the middle of a highway with cars passing him by.

Jlee
03-18-2007, 03:34 AM
Not saying that Roddick doesn't have anything else. He doesn't have much of anything else. And when he goes up against some one who does have much more to give, he looks like a lost puppy caught in the middle of a highway with cars passing him by.

LOL nice imagery. Sure, he looks like that sometimes. Most players do occasionally. Well, other than Roger (ignoring this week :lol:).

He doesn't have much else...okay. He's always had his two major weapons, his serve and forehand. A lot of players are decent at every stroke, but have no major weapon. Those are the players that don't make it to the top of the game. Andy has two major weapons plus something most people discount, mental strength. If you look at someone like James Blake, he has a TON of weapons. He's a great mover, his backhand is solid, his forehand is amazing. etc. So why hasn't he accomplished the things that Roddick has? Because his mental strength is basically nil.

People love to use this argument to pick on Roddick, which is so funny to me. If it was true that he was all serve and not much or nothing else, it would actually be more impressive that he's accomplished more than 90% of the other players in this tennis era. In the end, it's all about results. Jimbo's game wasn't exactly beautiful, but it got the job done. That's the important thing. 40 years from now people aren't going to be remembering the people who played pretty tennis, they'll remember the ones who reached the number one position and/or won one or more slams.

sondraj06
03-18-2007, 03:44 AM
LOL nice imagery. Sure, he looks like that sometimes. Most players do occasionally. Well, other than Roger (ignoring this week :lol:).

He doesn't have much else...okay. He's always had his two major weapons, his serve and forehand. A lot of players are decent at every stroke, but have no major weapon. Those are the players that don't make it to the top of the game. Andy has two major weapons plus something most people discount, mental strength. If you look at someone like James Blake, he has a TON of weapons. He's a great mover, his backhand is solid, his forehand is amazing. etc. So why hasn't he accomplished the things that Roddick has? Because his mental strength is basically nil.

People love to use this argument to pick on Roddick, which is so funny to me. If it was true that he was all serve and not much or nothing else, it would actually be more impressive that he's accomplished more than 90% of the other players in this tennis era. In the end, it's all about results. Jimbo's game wasn't exactly beautiful, but it got the job done. That's the important thing. 40 years from now people aren't going to be remembering the people who played pretty tennis, they'll remember the ones who reached the number one position and/or won one or more slams.

Look, I like Roddick so don't take me wrong, by no means am I Roddick bashing. But when Nadal had a very one dimensional game, that's exactly what it was, one dimensional. He won with it but it confused the hell out of people how he won with it, but it was what it was.

Like it, love it, take it, leave it. But eventually people figured it out and he needed to revise some things, and I think he is on his way.

Now I think it's time for Roddick to do the same.

Allure
03-18-2007, 03:54 AM
Lol I can't believe I actually agree with Sondra.:lol:

And Jlee, even though I don't like Roddick's game, I agree that with his limited weapons that he can accomplish so much (1 gs, multiple MS) it's impressive. Some people have many weapons and can't win, Gasquet for example.:awww:

my0118
03-18-2007, 03:55 AM
Roddick's confidence depends on how his opponent's control the game.
Once his pace got out of control by his opponent, it just fades away.
I think that's the reason why he hasn't got even a title since Cincinnati

Jlee
03-18-2007, 04:30 AM
Look, I like Roddick so don't take me wrong, by no means am I Roddick bashing. But when Nadal had a very one dimensional game, that's exactly what it was, one dimensional. He won with it but it confused the hell out of people how he won with it, but it was what it was.

Like it, love it, take it, leave it. But eventually people figured it out and he needed to revise some things, and I think he is on his way.

Now I think it's time for Roddick to do the same.

I don't know, I feel like that's what Roddick has been doing with Jimmy :shrug:. Sure he's had two pretty bad losses this year, but they were to the two best players in the world. He came out flat today against Nadal, which was obviously a bad thing, and Nadal took the opportunity and played amazingly well.

And Orlandofanz, that wasn't my exact point. ;) I hate how people don't see mental strength as being a huge weapon. Sometimes it's more important than other aspects of your game being strong. Gasquet is a good example of that. Who cares about any of your weapons if you don't have the mental capacity to use them well? Federer would just be another Safin without his mental strength. :lol:

Winston's Human
03-18-2007, 10:00 AM
Technically Andy's game is fine. But he tends to panic too quickly against certain opponents.

I agree.

Andy seems to have trouble shifting to Plan B when the original game plan is not working. He instead presses or drops into old bad habits.

RonE
03-18-2007, 10:20 AM
I think his losses correctly reflect the limitations of his game.

He is basically beating the players he should be beating, he is fulfilling his seeding in the big tournaments but when a player with a superior game and/or superior tactics able to execute comes along and exposes the weaknesses in his game he just doesn't have a plan B to do anything to stop the floodgates bursting.

EDIT: What Connors has done is take Roddick's existing game and maximise it to its full potential. However these limitations have always existed and will continue to exist regardless of who Roddick's coach is.

cortina444
03-18-2007, 11:26 AM
Sondraj06 and Orlandofanz both seem to be echoing my opinion. It is sad tho to see a former no. 1(?) flail so much at the net. I still wonder who told him to keep up that tactic as most journeymen can volley better than him. JC? Sad but statistically sound: I think I heard that Roddick hasn't beaten a Top-10 player in ages.

bandabou
03-18-2007, 11:30 AM
exactly..not surprising really, 'cause Andy's record against top 10 players is pretty weak. And for the Jle poster..well, it's what makes you happy...being always the brides-maid but never the top dog...then that's Andy for you.

my0118
03-18-2007, 11:38 AM
I don't know, I feel like that's what Roddick has been doing with Jimmy :shrug:. Sure he's had two pretty bad losses this year, but they were to the two best players in the world. He came out flat today against Nadal, which was obviously a bad thing, and Nadal took the opportunity and played amazingly well.

Well this is just my thought, but Roddick is currently the THIRD in the world. As a NO.3, he shouldn't have been spanked like that.
He should feel ashamed of the results he's got this year against two top players in the world.

t0x
03-18-2007, 11:51 AM
If he begins losing, he retreats back to his 'old' ways - miles behind the baseline. This makes means his opponent can now beat him even more easily, and this contributes to the one sided losses. Simply put, he needs to be less negative - great players tend to play better when they're behind, Roddick gets worse on the other hand.

cortina444
03-18-2007, 11:55 AM
Well this is just my thought, but Roddick is currently the THIRD in the world. As a NO.3, he shouldn't have spanked like that.
He should feel ashamed of the results he's got this year against two top players in the world.

My sentiments exactly. The career is ever so short for a tennis player & he/she should(operative word) be playing those tough matches against the top players with their hearts laid out. Roddick doesn't. He needs to retool his mind not his game. At this pt. he's a Philappoussis with a slightly better forehand.

Black Adam
03-18-2007, 12:07 PM
Sondraj06 and Orlandofanz both seem to be echoing my opinion. It is sad tho to see a former no. 1(?) flail so much at the net. I still wonder who told him to keep up that tactic as most journeymen can volley better than him. JC? Sad but statistically sound: I think I heard that Roddick hasn't beaten a Top-10 player in ages.

You heard wrong. He beat Ljubicic and Ancic :p

nobama
03-18-2007, 03:25 PM
You heard wrong. He beat Ljubicic and Ancic :pYeah, I'm sure that will be the highlight of his year. :o

sondraj06
03-18-2007, 03:29 PM
Yeah, I'm sure that will be the highlight of his year. :o

:yippee::lol: I beat ljubo and ancic and got demolishes by the number one and two, I'm so far behind, this is great news for tennis :woohoo:

sondraj06
03-18-2007, 03:51 PM
Well this is just my thought, but Roddick is currently the THIRD in the world. As a NO.3, he shouldn't have been spanked like that.
He should feel ashamed of the results he's got this year against two top players in the world.

I agree he shouldn't have been spanked so harshly but, I truly don't think his head was in it, and don't think this will reflect the way he will continue to play against Rafa. Will we see a little revenge at DC, even if he doesn't beat Rafa he get the chance to correct some errors and missed opportunities.

Loremaster
03-18-2007, 04:00 PM
I think Roddick will continue to improve - his results are quite good, he is strong in TBs as he was back in 2003-2004. He just has problems with pulling everything together against Top players who push will more, but I am optimistic because Connors has great influence Roddicks game is changing in good directions and he has been working with him for 6 months so it is not so much. I think the biggest test would come on grass and during HC summer swing I think Jimmy and Andy will use the break during clay season (lets me optimistic I don't see Andy making deep runs on clay maybe QF-SF of one TMS and 4thR of RG - which would be huge improvemnts) to prepare Andy game for grass and HC

What is amusing who Andy run away from S&V when this tactic was itroduced it gave him great deal of sucess - Final of Cicny, match against Roger and Ljubo at Cup.
I watched his match against Ljubo and it was totally different than match at Cup. I haven't seen Andy match in 2007 where he was S&V much even against oppontents who were treat for him. Maybe Jimmy and Andy decided to kick it off duirng grass and fast HC where such game would have greater impact ??

Jimnik
03-18-2007, 04:05 PM
At least he's unbeaten on clay this year.

CmonAussie
03-18-2007, 04:11 PM
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I feel that Roddick can only win MM events now~~ his Slam/TMS winning days are over!
Sure he won Cincy last year but that was a little bit fortunate [as he faced big time choker Ferrero in the final]...
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Honestly I put Roddick & Hewitt in the same boat now~~>> Hewitt has more game but Roddick has more power>> both of them are facing a career crisis & need to drastically improve if they`re going to keep up with the new brigade [Nadal, Djokovic, Murray etc..].#Of course Roddick & Hewitt don`t have a realistic shot when they play Federer these days><...

Loremaster
03-18-2007, 04:39 PM
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I feel that Roddick can only win MM events now~~ his Slam/TMS winning days are over!
Sure he won Cincy last year but that was a little bit fortunate [as he faced big time choker Ferrero in the final]...
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Honestly I put Roddick & Hewitt in the same boat now~~>> Hewitt has more game but Roddick has more power>> both of them are facing a career crisis & need to drastically improve if they`re going to keep up with the new brigade [Nadal, Djokovic, Murray etc..].#Of course Roddick & Hewitt don`t have a realistic shot when they play Federer these days><...

I love Lleyton but he is nowhere near Andy right now, you says that his Slams and TMS days are over sorry but this is funny he made semis of AO and first TMS look what Lleyton made. And hsi best part of season is coming quick grass, fast hardcourt he will be second favourite at Wimby(if anything like that exist in Roger era) and propably USOpen you can't tell that about Lleyton right now

CmonAussie
03-18-2007, 04:45 PM
I love Lleyton but he is nowhere near Andy right now, you says that his Slams and TMS days are over sorry but this is funny he made semis of AO and first TMS look what Lleyton made. And hsi best part of season is coming quick grass, fast hardcourt he will be second favourite at Wimby(if anything like that exist in Roger era) and propably USOpen you can't tell that about Lleyton right now


:wavey:
I think you overstate things a fair bit:eek:

>> Hewitt made QF at Wimby & USO last year despite being injured..
Lleyton`s distractions have been far worse than Andy`s;) ..Hewitt`s still adjusting to family life... if Roddick had a wife & child he`d be in a hissy fit..

Also Hewitt`s already won a title this year [Las Vegas~~yes it`s MM] but Roddick couldn`t even take an MM title so far [lost SF at San Jose, Final at Memphis];)

celia
03-18-2007, 04:51 PM
EDIT: What Connors has done is take Roddick's existing game and maximise it to its full potential. However these limitations have always existed and will continue to exist regardless of who Roddick's coach is.

I am trying to figure out exactly what Connors has added to Andy's arsenal. At first I thought that it was that he had him coming to net more aggressively and effectively but Andy pulled away from that approach against Nadal. :confused:

I watched this match at the gym yesterday and a guy commented that the only thing that Connors has done is that he has Andy grabbing his crotch more. Snap! :lol: