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Murray...A Grade "A" Pusher?

Spes
03-17-2007, 12:01 PM
is andy murray just a really good pusher?

MarcM
03-17-2007, 12:08 PM
Class 'A' pusher?

I highly doubt a top 15 player is a pusher to be honest, although did we ever find out where Puerta got his gear from?

Intresting.

stebs
03-17-2007, 12:19 PM
If he always played the way he did against Haas then yes, he would be a very good pisher but it's not the case. He has a very adaptable game and there are many dimensions which he can call upon to beat different opponents.

simo4cufc
03-17-2007, 12:47 PM
No, he is a really good player who 'pushes' sometimes against players who don't have the patience or creativity to deal with it, and he wins. Why try to hit 80 winners when you don't have to?

Murraymaniac
03-17-2007, 12:51 PM
Nope, he's a defensive counterpuncher who has brilliant ability to get the ball back in play one more time than most people can. Not many 'pushers' can play superb passing shots on the run on both wings.

He can play aggressive when he wants to - when his movement was restricted last night, he was playing much more aggressive tennis to end the points earlier, and reduce the amount of long rallies.

Kolya
03-17-2007, 12:51 PM
He is a counter-puncher mixed with some tactics.

Pigpen Stinks
03-17-2007, 12:58 PM
Yes, he's a pusher that happens to win a hell of a lot more matches than he loses. Just like the pushers at most junior events and local clubs.

jazar
03-17-2007, 02:05 PM
pusher is such a soft word. hacker fits him more

adee-gee
03-17-2007, 02:08 PM
:lol:

If you don't have a clue about tennis, why do you people bother posting on a tennis forum?

Snowwy
03-17-2007, 02:19 PM
There's nothing wrong with psuhers but I dont think AMurrey is one fo them

rofe
03-17-2007, 02:39 PM
I expect the slash brigade to take over this thread. :p

case
03-17-2007, 02:50 PM
I saw the match last night and was shocked. I actually thought this guy could play a little
Murray really SUCKS!

NO SERVE
NO GAME

I could return his second serve:haha: he never made any first serves

How did Haas lose?

No future for this loser.

BArsonlyone
03-17-2007, 02:57 PM
i dont think hes a pusher at all. he has many dimensions to his game. yes, he hits slices and loopers, but he can also give the ball a good whack. and no serve? he can hit serves nicely into the 130 range. he takes his chances when they are presented. like someone said before, why hit more winners than you should to win a match.

Sofonda Cox
03-17-2007, 04:10 PM
I saw the match last night and was shocked. I actually thought this guy could play a little
Murray really SUCKS!

NO SERVE
NO GAME

I could return his second serve:haha: he never made any first serves

How did Haas lose?

No future for this loser.


Haas choked the match away:sad: Murray will lose in SF;)

GlennMirnyi
03-17-2007, 04:19 PM
Yes, he's a pusher that happens to win a hell of a lot more matches than he loses. Just like the pushers at most junior events and local clubs.

Agreed.

Haas choked the match away:sad: Murray will lose in SF;)

Exactly.

decrepitude
03-17-2007, 04:25 PM
Haters thread no. 2. . . Andy is making it big!:haha:

Rogiman
03-17-2007, 04:31 PM
He's an extremely talented player who can play in various ways, but due to limited confidence in his abilities takes his coach's advice and retreats to playing an awfully defensive game against certain players.

Hopefully, some day in the future, he'll have enough confidence in his shots and play like a real man, that way he may both win the match AND retain his honor.

scoobs
03-17-2007, 04:54 PM
I don't know where this idea has come from that, if you don't whale on absolutely every ball, you're not playing like a "real man"

Excuse me?

What matters is if it works, not whether it makes you look big and hard.

Some people really need to get a clue, honestly.

Bobby
03-17-2007, 04:56 PM
He's not a pusher. But what's wrong with pushers? If an opponent makes errors after errors, it's more than enough to just push the ball and keep it in play. Why should the game always look fancy, tennis is a thinking man's game.

But is there anything in Murray's game that suggests he might be a pusher? Don't think so.

Rogiman
03-17-2007, 04:56 PM
I don't know where this idea has come from that, if you don't whale on absolutely every ball, you're not playing like a "real man"

Excuse me?

What matters is if it works, not whether it makes you look big and hard.

Some people really need to get a clue, honestly.There's a lot of middle ground between "whaling on absolutely every ball" and moonballing like a complete pussy.

GlennMirnyi
03-17-2007, 04:56 PM
I don't know where this idea has come from that, if you don't whale on absolutely every ball, you're not playing like a "real man"

Excuse me?

What matters is if it works, not whether it makes you look big and hard.

Some people really need to get a clue, honestly.

This is ATP, not WTA. Attacking is going for risks, playing with courage. Defending and moonballing is a cowardly way of playing the game. People that like the sport don't like it. Face it.

GlennMirnyi
03-17-2007, 04:58 PM
There's a lot of middle ground between "whaling on absolutely every ball" and moonballing like a complete pussy.

:haha: Exactly.

Andre'sNo1Fan
03-17-2007, 04:58 PM
This is ATP, not WTA. Attacking is going for risks, playing with courage. Defending and moonballing is a cowardly way of playing the game. People that like the sport don't like it. Face it.
No people who think that volleying is where tennis begins and ends are ones who don't like it. Fact.

jazar
03-17-2007, 05:00 PM
No people who think that volleying is where tennis begins and ends are ones who don't like it. Fact.

no people who want to watch an interesting, decent, competitive match dont like it

Andre'sNo1Fan
03-17-2007, 05:01 PM
no people who want to watch an interesting, decent, competitive match dont like it
:retard: So you can't get a competitve match with a defensive player?

scoobs
03-17-2007, 05:03 PM
If moonballing like a complete pussy works, why not use it?

The idea is to WIN TENNIS MATCHES, people, not impress morons with their ability to thoughtlessly pound a ball.

His game is too subtle and tactical for you - fine. He prefers to defend and outwit rather than attack - fine. Just spare us this BS about not playing like a man or not having honor - it's utter crap and makes you look dumb. I'd like to know where it says that attacking is honourable and defending is dishonourable. Some of you people just baffle me with the idiotic remarks.

Bobby
03-17-2007, 05:04 PM
This is ATP, not WTA. Attacking is going for risks, playing with courage. Defending and moonballing is a cowardly way of playing the game. People that like the sport don't like it. Face it.

I don't agree. There are differenet ways of playing tennis. How you play, depends on the opponent among other things. If your opponent makes a lot of mistakes, why should you attack and play low percentage shots? You could easily throw in some moonballs and safe slices.

Playing with "courage" may be a bad tactics in some matches. Or does it make you feel better that after a defeat you can say that at least you played like a real man?

jazar
03-17-2007, 05:05 PM
If moonballing like a complete pussy works, why not use it?.

there you have it. its a cowardly tactic

scoobs
03-17-2007, 05:06 PM
there you have it. its a cowardly tactic
Nothing cowardly about using a strategy that works.

Nothing wrong with it - at all. Get a clue. You don't like it so it's an invalid tactic.

I don't like watching huge servers with no real groundstroke game but I'm not dumb enough to pretend it's an invalid or cowardly tactic.

Amazing.

Andre'sNo1Fan
03-17-2007, 05:08 PM
there you have it. its a cowardly tactic
Oh yeh. I see that Rafa is real cowardly for all those close matches he's one, not to mention how many TMS and slams too. Maybe some like Gonzalez should play like that, then maybe he might actually win something.

jazar
03-17-2007, 05:10 PM
Nothing cowardly about using a strategy that works.

Nothing wrong with it - at all. Get a clue. You don't like it so it's an invalid tactic.

I don't like watching huge servers with no real groundstroke game but I'm not dumb enough to pretend it's an invalid or cowardly tactic.

Amazing.

moonballing takes the fun out of any match for the crowd and the opponent. if i want to see moonballing i'll go down to my club and watch the 12 year olds play, but when i turn on my tv i want to see a decent match, with players using fair, interesting tactics, which dont include lobbing the ball up in the air all the time

scoobs
03-17-2007, 05:13 PM
moonballing takes the fun out of any match for the crowd and the opponent. if i want to see moonballing i'll go down to my club and watch the 12 year olds play, but when i turn on my tv i want to see a decent match, with players using fair, interesting tactics, which dont include lobbing the ball up in the air all the time
Moonballing is fair. It's in the rules.

Are you for real? What's not fair about it - that it bores YOU?

Jesus wept.

jazar
03-17-2007, 05:14 PM
Moonballing is fair. It's in the rules.

Are you for real? What's not fair about it - that it bores YOU?

Jesus wept.

its a tactic used by 12 year olds, professionals should have grown out of it and should hit the ball like real men, not poncy juniors

scoobs
03-17-2007, 05:21 PM
its a tactic used by 12 year olds, professionals should have grown out of it and should hit the ball like real men, not poncy juniors
What a circular, and completely dumb, argument.

If I were you I'd stop typing and further convincing people of your own fatuousness.

All I can say is the 15,000 + fans last night seemed to have a different opinion than you.

And I hope Murray's around a long time to piss you off with his "poncy juniors" play.

simo4cufc
03-17-2007, 05:26 PM
its a tactic used by 12 year olds, professionals should have grown out of it and should hit the ball like real men, not poncy juniors

If Murray plays like a poncy 12 year old shouldn't all those real men on the ATP be able to put him away easily?

They can't, you know why, because Murray is HARD to play against and good players who have played him have said so.

Murray plays with his brain not just his right bicep like some guys out there. :rolleyes:

scoobs
03-17-2007, 05:28 PM
If Murray plays like a poncy 12 year old shouldn't all those real men on the ATP be able to put him away easily?

They can't, you know why, because Murray is HARD to play against and good players who have played him have said so.

Murray plays with his brain not just his right bicep like some guys out there. :rolleyes:
Well said.

I'm done explaining the basic facts of tennis life to these fruitloops.

Someone else can take this on home.

Nev
03-17-2007, 05:29 PM
This is ATP, not WTA. Attacking is going for risks, playing with courage. Defending and moonballing is a cowardly way of playing the game. People that like the sport don't like it. Face it.One of the funniest things I've ever heard. So Gonzalez was playing with courage, and now is half coward half courage.:rolleyes: :confused:

Rogiman
03-17-2007, 05:30 PM
If moonballing like a complete pussy works, why not use it?

The idea is to WIN TENNIS MATCHES, people, not impress morons with their ability to thoughtlessly pound a ball.

His game is too subtle and tactical for you - fine. He prefers to defend and outwit rather than attack - fine. Just spare us this BS about not playing like a man or not having honor - it's utter crap and makes you look dumb. I'd like to know where it says that attacking is honourable and defending is dishonourable. Some of you people just baffle me with the idiotic remarks.I have seen Murray play beautiful tennis, and I know what he's capable of, therefore playing like he does so often seems like a waste of talent to me.

One can play tactically without retreating to moonballing, just like one can play attack without "thoughtlessly pounding a ball".

And saying the spectacle doesn't matter as long as you win is strange, considering spectators are the reason why this game exists in professional level.

Sofonda Cox
03-17-2007, 05:33 PM
If Murray plays like a poncy 12 year old shouldn't all those real men on the ATP be able to put him away easily?

They can't, you know why, because Murray is HARD to play against and good players who have played him have said so.

Murray plays with his brain not just his right bicep like some guys out there. :rolleyes:

WTF are you on about newbie?? Murray is crap - deal with it:rolleyes:

jazar
03-17-2007, 05:35 PM
WTF are you on about newbie?? Murray is crap - deal with it:rolleyes:

so eloquently and truthfully put.

so if murray uses his brain and not his biceps, how come he is working on improving his biceps and muscles?

scoobs
03-17-2007, 05:35 PM
I have seen Murray play beautiful tennis, and I know what he's capable of, therefore playing like he does so often seems like a waste of talent to me.

One can play tactically without retreating to moonballing, just like one can play attack without "thoughtlessly pounding a ball".

And saying the spectacle doesn't matter as long as you win is strange, considering spectators are the reason why this game exists in professional level.
If moonballing gets the ball up high to an opponent's backhand so they can't play offensively off it, I can't see how it should be abandoned as a tactic in favour of something else. If it works, use it.

By the logic of the people on this thread, the 15,000+ who were enthralled by last night's match should have been booing Murray for being such a junior, cheering Haas to the rafters, and throwing coins and leaving early for the shitty spectacle Murray was offering with his cowardly play.

Funny how it didn't seem to go down that way?

The crowd derives the entertainment from the way the match unfolds - good play, bad play, drama, tactical play, outbursts - the whole package. The final set breaker last night was not great tennis but the drama was terrific and the crowd were in raptures. Both Murray and Haas put on a big-time show last night, the best of the tournament so far, and the crowd responded - moonballs and all. So the whole validity of this argument is pretty much nonexistent, in my view.

And now I really am done. I can't waste my life arguing with people who think a perfectly legitimate tactic is illegitimate, wrong, un-manlike or pussy-like just because it bores them.

jazar
03-17-2007, 05:40 PM
By the logic of the people on this thread, the 15,000+ who were enthralled by last night's match should have been booing Murray for being such a junior, cheering Haas to the rafters, and throwing coins and leaving early for the shitty spectacle Murray was offering with his cowardly play.

its a shame really. throwing coins at murray would have livened up the match and it would have been much more exciting than watching him hit every shot 10 feet over the net

kundalini
03-17-2007, 05:44 PM
If moonballing gets the ball up high to an opponent's backhand so they can't play offensively off it, I can't see how it should be abandoned as a tactic in favour of something else. If it works, use it.

By the logic of the people on this thread, the 15,000+ who were enthralled by last night's match should have been booing Murray for being such a junior, cheering Haas to the rafters, and throwing coins and leaving early for the shitty spectacle Murray was offering with his cowardly play.

Funny how it didn't seem to go down that way?

The crowd derives the entertainment from the way the match unfolds - good play, bad play, drama, tactical play, outbursts - the whole package. The final set breaker last night was not great tennis but the drama was terrific and the crowd were in raptures. Both Murray and Haas put on a big-time show last night, the best of the tournament so far, and the crowd responded - moonballs and all. So the whole validity of this argument is pretty much nonexistent, in my view.

And now I really am done. I can't waste my life arguing with people who think a perfectly legitimate tactic is illegitimate, wrong, un-manlike or pussy-like just because it bores them.

The strange thing about last night's match was that had they played better quality tennis, it wouldn't have been anywhere near as exciting a match to watch. It was the mix of great shots and completely brain dead ones that made it an epic match.

If Murray had been playing well he could have just served it out in the third. Or for that matter Haas could have kept his head after Murray's injury and finished it in two. But they didn't and as a result it was fantastic drama.

simo4cufc
03-17-2007, 05:49 PM
so if murray uses his brain and not his biceps, how come he is working on improving his biceps and muscles?

Verbal Logic 101:

"Murray plays with his brain not just his right bicep"\

This statement implies that;
(i) Murray plays with his brain
(ii) Murray does not just play with his right bicep

It does not imply that Murray does not play using strength. Murray is getting stronger because a strong clever player beats a clever player. But Murray also shows that a clever player often beats a strong one.

kundalini
03-17-2007, 05:49 PM
Murray is a:

Grade "A" pusher
counter-puncher
serve volleyer
guy with great feel for the ball
smart tactical player
player with astonishing groundstokes when he unleashes

Rogiman
03-17-2007, 05:58 PM
If it works, use it.
Hard to argue against that, I will only say this:

Greece won the 2004 European Championships fair and square.
Still, in my book, that was a sad day in the history of international football.

scoobs
03-17-2007, 06:00 PM
i like the kids game to a certain limit but the worst part of murray's game is his forehand . i had to watch with such excruciating pain each time murray hit those ugly forehands . hope he learns to play it the normal way :o
Watch the point that gets him to match point for the second time at 8-8 in the breaker if you don't think he can hit a conventional forehand.

GlennMirnyi
03-17-2007, 06:03 PM
No people who think that volleying is where tennis begins and ends are ones who don't like it. Fact.

No, you're a fangirl who knows nothing about tennis. Soccer is the thing for you.

If moonballing like a complete pussy works, why not use it?

The idea is to WIN TENNIS MATCHES, people, not impress morons with their ability to thoughtlessly pound a ball.

His game is too subtle and tactical for you - fine. He prefers to defend and outwit rather than attack - fine. Just spare us this BS about not playing like a man or not having honor - it's utter crap and makes you look dumb. I'd like to know where it says that attacking is honourable and defending is dishonourable. Some of you people just baffle me with the idiotic remarks.

This is the kind of :bs: people say when they can't prove an argument. "This is too refined for you". C'mon, you like WTA and think that they can play tennis. As Deep Purple song says: "you fool no one".

I don't agree. There are differenet ways of playing tennis. How you play, depends on the opponent among other things. If your opponent makes a lot of mistakes, why should you attack and play low percentage shots? You could easily throw in some moonballs and safe slices.

Playing with "courage" may be a bad tactics in some matches. Or does it make you feel better that after a defeat you can say that at least you played like a real man?

Of course. I'd rather a million times losing a match playing aggressively than winning moonballing.

there you have it. its a cowardly tactic

Of course it is.

Nothing cowardly about using a strategy that works.

Nothing wrong with it - at all. Get a clue. You don't like it so it's an invalid tactic.

I don't like watching huge servers with no real groundstroke game but I'm not dumb enough to pretend it's an invalid or cowardly tactic.

Amazing.

Having a huge serve demands a lot of training. Moonballing any 12 year old can do.

What a circular, and completely dumb, argument.

If I were you I'd stop typing and further convincing people of your own fatuousness.

All I can say is the 15,000 + fans last night seemed to have a different opinion than you.

And I hope Murray's around a long time to piss you off with his "poncy juniors" play.

:lol: at your logic. Then many people approve something, it's automatically good? Hitler was elected, you know that. :rolleyes:

One of the funniest things I've ever heard. So Gonzalez was playing with courage, and now is half coward half courage.:rolleyes: :confused:

No, del Pony's fan. Gonzalez uses a subterfuge to hide his weak backhand, it's different. It's not like he's moonballing both wings to win matches.

I have seen Murray play beautiful tennis, and I know what he's capable of, therefore playing like he does so often seems like a waste of talent to me.

One can play tactically without retreating to moonballing, just like one can play attack without "thoughtlessly pounding a ball".

And saying the spectacle doesn't matter as long as you win is strange, considering spectators are the reason why this game exists in professional level.

Federer wins everything and never moonballs. I wonder why... :lol:

jazar
03-17-2007, 06:06 PM
Of course. I'd rather a million times losing a match playing aggressively than winning moonballing.

:worship: here here. :worship:

that way is also a hell of a lot more entertaining

scoobs
03-17-2007, 06:07 PM
:worship: here here. :worship:

that way is also a hell of a lot more entertaining
Yes, losing is always so much more fun.

I think I understand you much better now.

jazar
03-17-2007, 06:08 PM
Yes, losing is always so much more fun.

losing playing aggressively is more fun than winning playing like some tart on the wta tour

scoobs
03-17-2007, 06:10 PM
losing playing aggressively is more fun than winning playing like some tart on the wta tour
If you don't understand that in tennis you do what you need to do to win, then you don't understand tennis, period. Nor most sports. I honestly don't know why you watch if you just want to score people on how aggressively they play their tennis, regardless of whether it works or not. Tursunov must be a hero to you.

LoveFifteen
03-17-2007, 06:13 PM
If moonballing is something any 12 year old can do, then why are players like Federer and Haas losing to Murray? :confused:

LoveFifteen
03-17-2007, 06:15 PM
losing playing aggressively is more fun than winning playing like some tart on the wta tour

You'd make a great journeyman on the ATP tour. :tape:

jazar
03-17-2007, 06:17 PM
Tursunov must be a hero to you.

tursunov is wonderful. he possess two things murray doesnt:

1. a decent game
2. a personality

LoveFifteen
03-17-2007, 06:18 PM
^^^

They are just angry that players they like are losing to Murray so all they can do is trash his play.

LoveFifteen
03-17-2007, 06:18 PM
tursunov is wonderful. he possess two things murray doesnt:

1. a decent game
2. a personality

Tim Henman, did you open up an account on MTF again? :wavey:

mark_s
03-17-2007, 06:19 PM
There are some real idiots on this thread trying to put Murray down with their utter lack of knowledge in tennis.

Wake up, these players are on tour to win, not please the crowd - get over yourself thickos.

Sofonda Cox
03-17-2007, 06:19 PM
^^^

They are just angry that players they like are losing to Murray so all they can do is trash his play.

i dont like haas or davydenko - get your facts right

Lullaby
03-17-2007, 06:20 PM
i dont like haas or davydenko - get your facts right

None of your faves stand a chance in a match with murray anymore :wavey:

Sofonda Cox
03-17-2007, 06:23 PM
None of your faves stand a chance in a match with murray anymore :wavey:

you're right - Andy's ugliness will kill them:sad: :sad:

GlennMirnyi
03-17-2007, 06:28 PM
If moonballing is something any 12 year old can do, then why are players like Federer and Haas losing to Murray? :confused:

Ljubicic isn't.

Oh, so now Murray plays like a tart on the WTA tour? When most of the people in MTF who trash talk women's tennis call the women's game nothing but power hitting, brainless ball bashing?

Ironic that some of the same idiots who criticize Murray's playing style for not being aggressive enough for them to enjoy watching it are the same people who are quick to disparage the women's game for its emphasis on aggression. Yes, there is a middle ground, but there are also people who are apt to subjective, blindly biased :bs: simply because they don't personally enjoy a particular style.

No, women's tennis' problem is that it's ridiculous technically, not aggressive. Julio Silva is much more aggressive than any woman on tour.

tursunov is wonderful. he possess two things murray doesnt:

1. a decent game
2. a personality

You forgot other things:

- a serve
- a forehand
- volleys
- guts

mecir72
03-17-2007, 06:30 PM
Almost every player on the tour were pushers to begin with. Thats the first game you need to master. Those that hate the pushers are those that never learnt the to pass the first hurdle.
Long live the pusher!

jazar
03-17-2007, 06:30 PM
You forgot other things:

- a serve
- a forehand
- volleys
- guts

:yeah: indeed i did, how careless of me. i knew tursunov had shit loads more than murray

Lullaby
03-17-2007, 06:31 PM
Tursonov is rubbish and should retire to be a blogger

Murraymaniac
03-17-2007, 06:33 PM
Hmm - then how does Murray have a H2H record of 2-0 against Tursunov? That's rather odd.

sondraj06
03-17-2007, 06:35 PM
Ljubicic isn't.



No, women's tennis' problem is that it's ridiculous technically, not aggressive. Julio Silva is much more aggressive than any woman on tour.



You forgot other things:

- a serve
- a forehand
- volleys
- guts

I agree with you excpet on the moonballing thing. Nadal is a clay court player and he hits like a clayourter. He's learned to adapt to hard courts by putting more depth on his balls. But he uses moonballing becuase it allows him to place the ball where he wants it. And his placement/ shot making is nice.

But I don't like Andy's game and don't see what is so special about it. Until he learns how to utilize all those shots he has, he will continue to grind out wins. Which he is not adapt to and will break down on him way faster than it did for Nadal.

Sofonda Cox
03-17-2007, 06:35 PM
Tursonov is rubbish and should retire to be a blogger

tursunov will be bigger than ugly murray;)

GlennMirnyi
03-17-2007, 06:36 PM
Almost every player on the tour were pushers to begin with. Thats the first game you need to master. Those that hate the pushers are those that never learnt the to pass the first hurdle.
Long live the pusher!

Yeah, of course. I'm sure Federer was a moonballer when he was a junior. :lol:

jazar
03-17-2007, 06:37 PM
tursunov will be bigger than ugly murray;)

yes.

i'd rather watch tursunov play his exciting go for broke tennis than watch murrays like watching paint dry but even more boring tennis

mecir72
03-17-2007, 06:39 PM
Yeah, of course. I'm sure Federer was a moonballer when he was a junior. :lol:
The subject is pusher, I said pusher.
But if you mean pusher when you say moonballer then yes you were correct even if you didnt mean it. Fed was a pusher when he was a kid.

GlennMirnyi
03-17-2007, 06:42 PM
The subject is pusher, I said pusher.
But if you mean pusher when you say moonballer then yes you were correct even if you didnt mean it. Fed was a pusher when he was a kid.

You're wrong. Some boys are induced into this awful style so they can win when juniors, but some are not. Turns out those turn out the best of the bunch.

Lullaby
03-17-2007, 06:42 PM
tursunov will be bigger than ugly murray;)

Tursonov could not beat pre 07 murray, he has no hope against this murray even if he has got make up on :wavey:

jazar
03-17-2007, 06:44 PM
Tursonov could not beat pre 07 murray, he has no hope against this murray even if he has got make up on :wavey:

i beg to differ. i think the make up would make all the difference

Spes
03-17-2007, 06:49 PM
i wasn't really saying there was anything wrong with the way he plays. i mean, he's winning.

but i was just wondering if he would be considered a pusher.

IMO, he is. as they were saying last night, he needs to find a middle ground between moonballing and going for outright winners.

Metis
03-17-2007, 07:09 PM
Hard to argue against that, I will only say this:

Greece won the 2004 European Championships fair and square.
Still, in my book, that was a sad day in the history of international football.

Who cares? We won!!! :banana:


:lol:

mecir72
03-17-2007, 07:13 PM
You're wrong. Some boys are induced into this awful style so they can win when juniors, but some are not. Turns out those turn out the best of the bunch.
You are wrong. This is the only possible way to play when you are young and the best way to learn tennis and get a good foundation.
With young I don't mean 14.
Of course today you learn to hit with power earlier than before but still.

Allez
03-17-2007, 07:30 PM
I much prefer Andy's so called "pushing" to some of the brainless ball bashing we see from some players. I'm especially happy to see that he can force the issue when he needs to. He can flatten out his shots off both wings when "push" comes to shove... Come to think of it, I think he is more of a shover than a pusher...:yeah:

Corswandt
03-17-2007, 07:38 PM
I find it really amusing that Murray's UE-inducing game is proving so successful on the ATP, where supposedly there's no such thing as UEs, those being an exclusive of robotic WTA ball bashers.

Dashers
03-17-2007, 07:43 PM
A pusher? Nope. Quite simply, a very intelligent tennis player.

sdtoot
03-17-2007, 07:59 PM
Some utterly ridiculous comments on this thread. From what I saw at the end of the Murray v Haas match, the crowd were loving it and gave both players a standing ovation at the end...........they seemed to enjoy Murrays 'defensive' style of play!!

Bobby
03-17-2007, 09:24 PM
losing playing aggressively is more fun than winning playing like some tart on the wta tour

It's now quite obvious that you have never played a real tennis match in a real tournament.

jazar
03-17-2007, 09:27 PM
It's now quite obvious that you have never played a real tennis match in a real tournament.

if you think that then you are a bit of a shithead. i play tournaments all the time and i train with the top players in my area. and all of them play properly, i.e. they dont hack

Bobby
03-17-2007, 09:34 PM
if you think that then you are a bit of a shithead. i play tournaments all the time and i train with the top players in my area. and all of them play properly, i.e. they dont hack

Thank you very much. Well, good luck with your game. It seems that you are not a very competitive guy if you rather lose than adapt your game. Maybe it works for you! I've always enjoyed winning matches and tournaments more than losing them. But that's just me.

jazar
03-17-2007, 09:40 PM
Thank you very much. Well, good luck with your game. It seems that you are not a very competitive guy if you rather lose than adapt your game. Maybe it works for you! I've always enjoyed winning matches and tournaments more than losing them. But that's just me.

actually i'm an incredibly competitive person and i cant stand losing, but i hate hacking and playing like a pussy even more

Bobby
03-17-2007, 09:48 PM
actually i'm an incredibly competitive person and i cant stand losing, but i hate hacking and playing like a pussy even more

Right... You do understand how ridiculous that sounds? Enjoy your game.

jazar
03-17-2007, 09:53 PM
Right... You do understand how ridiculous that sounds? Enjoy your game.

no what is ridiculous is how someone can enjoy watching a hacker or playing like a hacker

User id 7816
03-17-2007, 10:00 PM
:haha: oh blind hate makes for such a great laugh :haha:

GugaF1
03-17-2007, 10:05 PM
How Boring and numb would tennis be if everybody thought like you Jazar. Imagine everyone in the circuit palying like a brainless Tursunov, just pounding the ball. What makes tennis beautiful and an amazing sport, that never gets old, is the richness of styles that you can see winning It. Is great to see an agressive player playing a defensive one, a serve and volley player against a good baseliner returner and so on.. that's what makes the sport special its VARIETY and Constrast.

Imagine If every player came out of an assembly line playing the exact same style...:o ... It's great that Tennis allow attacking players, junk ball palyers, Defensive players, Counter punchers..etc

BigAlbinoDonky
03-17-2007, 10:08 PM
LMAO at the delusional crybabies in this thread. As if you needed an explanation.....Murray doesn't like to give someone the same ball twice, which makes it tough for the opposing player to get in rhythm. This is what you call STRATEGY. It requires a lot more skill than simply ball bashing. But apparantly some here would say that James Blake is the "hardest, most macho/manly, honorable" player on tour. Andy Murray would destroy each and every one of you(and very likely your favorite player as well) with his "moonballing" simply because he knows that it makes you cry inside that you're getting beat by a "pussy" style of play. Grow up kiddies, brute strength isn't the measure of a man.

Allure
03-17-2007, 10:10 PM
I usually don't like defensive players (Nadal) b/c they win on their opponent mistakes but I like Murray for some reason.

Blue Heart24
03-17-2007, 10:18 PM
yes

adee-gee
09-08-2008, 12:07 AM
Glenn :hug:

jazar :hug:

safin-rules-no1 :hug:

Corey Feldman
09-08-2008, 12:28 AM
Grade A + pusher now lads

;)

Roddickominator
09-08-2008, 12:38 AM
He's not a pusher anymore. He has gotten rid of that sour attitude and a lot of the moonballing(due to his fitness and increased strength). He's no legend like Andy Roddick but he's gonna be pretty good.

cocrcici
09-08-2008, 12:42 AM
[QUOTE=Roddickominator;7614596]He's not a pusher anymore. He has gotten rid of that sour attitude and a lot of the moonballing(due to his fitness and increased strength). He's no legend like Andy Roddick but he's gonna be pretty good.[/QUOTE


Murray>>>>>>>>>>>Roddick

Roddickominator
09-08-2008, 12:44 AM
You wish

Pigpen Stinks
09-08-2008, 02:24 AM
Glenn :hug:

jazar :hug:

safin-rules-no1 :hug:

Glenn came up with some solid points in this thread. Especially the one where he said he'd much rather bash the shit out of every ball and lose, instead of pushing a ball over the net and win. He'd make an excellent caoch.

alfonsojose
09-08-2008, 04:41 AM
He is a counter-puncher mixed with some tactics.

:)