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Verd
03-17-2007, 05:03 AM
  

no name face
03-17-2007, 05:04 AM
murray!!! :worship: :worship:
truly knows how to win ugly. i felt like i was watching a dementieva match.

Deboogle!.
03-17-2007, 05:04 AM
That's without a doubt the most effing absolutely hilarious match i've ever seen in my entire life. That's better than an oscar-winning movie, let me tell you.

ghstwrld
03-17-2007, 05:04 AM
Murray is too much of a douche bag to be winning tennis matches.

TMJordan
03-17-2007, 05:04 AM
I knew Haas would fuck this up after Murray went down.

danton
03-17-2007, 05:04 AM
That was an awesome match I can't believe it I have never been so worried and now I can go to bed happy.

Andy really got under Tommy's skin.

Hope he can recover for tomorrow.

zicofirol
03-17-2007, 05:05 AM
what a weird weird match, at first it seemed he would retire, then he comes back, haas starts to miss everything lets murray feel comfortable again with his ankle, then haas gets something in the end (cramps?) and teh tiebreak was just crazy...

MisterQ
03-17-2007, 05:05 AM
That was very interesting. :lol:

Voo de Mar
03-17-2007, 05:05 AM
:banana: Nice score :banana:
Tommy lost the first tie-break after winning 10 TB's in a row... and wasted two match points in this TB (one on his own serve)

neenah
03-17-2007, 05:05 AM
I couldn't watch it. :mad: What happened?

Billabong
03-17-2007, 05:05 AM
Haas wasting 2 match points in the tiebreak:o You just knew Andy would win it, when Haas choked away the first match point with a weak forehand:help: Still, an awesome effort from Murray, he really wanted to win tonightl;)

Regenbogen
03-17-2007, 05:05 AM
What an...interesting match. :o

Yay Andy :woohoo:

Goonergal
03-17-2007, 05:05 AM
Thanks Andy you bastard for making me sick with nerves. But, I still love you.

But, what a farcial TB :tape:

scoobs
03-17-2007, 05:05 AM
Jesus that was amazing, fabulous...just totally gripping drama.

match of the tournament right there.

ABSOLUTELY INCREDIBLE.

mangoes
03-17-2007, 05:05 AM
:tape: :tape: :tape: :tape:

tripb19
03-17-2007, 05:05 AM
Haas 57 UEs LMAO

These guys are pansies, I wish Roger would come in a beat the shit outta them. :haha:

Murray = biggest moonballer on Tour

Billabong
03-17-2007, 05:06 AM
Hopefully Djokovic will be ON tomorrow:yeah::devil: I wonder what he thought about that match:lol:

zicofirol
03-17-2007, 05:06 AM
Jesus that was amazing, fabulous...just totally gripping drama.

match of the tournament right there.

ABSOLUTELY INCREDIBLE.

there was some great shotmaking mixed in with just stupid stupid shot selection..:confused:

Hola Mr. SK
03-17-2007, 05:07 AM
Dramatic final set TB,lol. Congrats Muzza :D
Too bad I didn't get live coverage. One hell of a match...

danton
03-17-2007, 05:07 AM
Jesus that was amazing, fabulous...just totally gripping drama.

match of the tournament right there.

ABSOLUTELY INCREDIBLE.


Exactly :worship:

bluefork
03-17-2007, 05:07 AM
Very entertaining match. I hope Murray's ankle doesn't swell over night.

adee-gee
03-17-2007, 05:07 AM
:rocker2: :banana: :rocker2: :banana: :rocker2: :banana:

What an incredible match. Maybe not the best tennis, but what unbelievable drama.

Andy almost killed me in the 3rd set :crazy: but he came through, terrific effort in the end. How he'll recover to play Nole I don't know, but major props for pulling that out :worship:

Just a few requests Andy........
1) Please stop the :cuckoo: drop shots on big points.
2) Stop being so negative on break points.
3) People realise you hit every pass on the forehand cross-court. Hit a few down the line please (like you did to break in the 3rd set).

darrinbaker00
03-17-2007, 05:07 AM
What a mess that third set was! One guy had a bum ankle, the other guy was cramping up, and both guys were trying to hand the match to each other. :eek:

TMJordan
03-17-2007, 05:08 AM
Novak better beat the shit out of Murray the pansie.

Breakaway
03-17-2007, 05:08 AM
What an amazingly entertaining match :worship:

Loved it, good job to both and for Murray pulling it out :yeah:

guga2120
03-17-2007, 05:08 AM
very dramatic match, Andy Murray has every shot that exist. If he can ever put it completly together he will be scary good.

TennisLurker
03-17-2007, 05:08 AM
Murray reminds me of Conchita Martinez, moonball forehand and slice backhand = love

sondraj06
03-17-2007, 05:08 AM
I'm sorry not to offend any andy or haas fans here, but they are both too goofy to be running all over the court like that. They looked like big goofs falling all over themselves, tired out of their minds.

It reminds me why Nadal wins matches with that type of grind it out style, becuase most players can't handle it.

Voo de Mar
03-17-2007, 05:08 AM
Murray = biggest moonballer on Tour

Murray = the good luck child ;)

danton
03-17-2007, 05:08 AM
Thanks Andy you bastard for making me sick with nerves. But, I still love you.

But, what a farcial TB :tape:

Exactly - i'm glad you and Scoobs are putting how i feel down cos i'm stunned

BlakeorHenman
03-17-2007, 05:08 AM
Bum Foot defeats Shitty Leg!!!

Hell of a match though. Andy needs to wear one of those electric dog collars that administer a shock whenever he THINKS about hitting a drop shot.

Tytta!.
03-17-2007, 05:09 AM
:haha: Seriously, I was oscillating between wanting to knock their skulls together to put them out of their misery and wanting them to go on for 9,078 more sets. :haha:

:haha: I can hardly breathe :haha: :haha:

it should be called "how to beat federer - learn all the tactics and shots you must hit to be a champion!" :p

Apemant
03-17-2007, 05:09 AM
This kid is crazy... but Haas is nuts too... what a weird weird match. :devil:

But Andy usually plays weird matches, and there are too many of them to be just coincidence. watch another weird match vs. Djokovic, I tell ya ;)

scoobs
03-17-2007, 05:09 AM
That was absolutely crazy.

Action Jackson
03-17-2007, 05:09 AM
Never in doubt.

ChinoRios4Ever
03-17-2007, 05:10 AM
omg what a match :o

congrats muzza and his backers :yeah:

now djokovic vs murray, the winner will be in his 1st AMS final and will reach top 10 for the 1st time...

darrinbaker00
03-17-2007, 05:10 AM
Haas 57 UEs LMAO

These guys are pansies, I wish Roger would come in a beat the shit outta them. :haha:
In order to make it to the fifth round, you must get past the second round. Roger didn't do that.

Lullaby
03-17-2007, 05:10 AM
murray has more than 2 times the break opps haas had, he should have ended it much earlier!

sondraj06
03-17-2007, 05:11 AM
Murray = the good luck child ;)


I'm starting to think so, I just don't see the prodigy that every one else is claiming, he is to be

tripb19
03-17-2007, 05:11 AM
I still can't believe Haas lost that :retard:

Murray really got inside his head, but that Murray got inside his own head and started partying and lost concentration.

The forehands that Haas missed long :spit: I can't believe it.

danton
03-17-2007, 05:11 AM
It's 5:10am and I need my sleep but bloody hell it's going to be a struggle.

Lullaby
03-17-2007, 05:11 AM
Never in doubt.

:worship: ;) lol

Andre♥
03-17-2007, 05:12 AM
I would have won the match in *6-5 in the tie-break...

Congrats Murray and get a psychologist, Haas!

Morgan Z
03-17-2007, 05:12 AM
What drama! :eek: This boy is really going places this year. ;) He'll be top 5 soon.

Voo de Mar
03-17-2007, 05:12 AM
Haas lost 8th match after wasting MP. He lost in all 23 match points in his career.

1998
1 - Corretja (Lyon)
2001
9 - Arazi (Hamburg)
1 - Medvedev (St. Petersburg)
2002
2 - Vicente (Acapulco)
2 - Pavel (Miami)
2004
3 - Roddick (Athens)
2005
3 - Berdych (Davis Cup)
2007
2 - Murray (Indain Wells)

scoobs
03-17-2007, 05:12 AM
Djoko will spank him. He has a sore hip, a sore ankle and less than 18 hours to recover. I don't rate his chances there at all.

Apemant
03-17-2007, 05:13 AM
very dramatic match, Andy Murray has every shot that exist. If he can ever put it completly together he will be scary good.

My thoughts exactly... by some inexplainable chain of events he manages to win, even though most of the stuff he seems to be trying, doesn't really work (yet). So naturally, you wonder, what would it be like if he actually pulled out whatever he intended, or at least over 50% of that? :eek:

adee-gee
03-17-2007, 05:13 AM
It's 5:10am and I need my sleep but bloody hell it's going to be a struggle.
I know the feeling :o

I feel ill. I actually was close to throwing up in that 3rd set :lol:

Lullaby
03-17-2007, 05:14 AM
Djoko will spank him. He has a sore hip, a sore ankle and less than 18 hours to recover. I don't rate his chances there at all.

Doesn't matter now though - those 225 points will come nicely in handy lol

LinkMage
03-17-2007, 05:14 AM
Ugh! What an ugly match!

After Murray's long timeout to get treated for the twisted ankle, Haas completely checked out mentally. He could never get into the match again.

57 UEs by Haas!!!! That's ridiculous. He was throwing everything out.

As for Murray, I haven't seen him play since a long time and I was surprised (and not in a good way). This guy must be the biggest moonballer on the tour. His forehand is really ugly. He can't hit a winner. He reminds me of Hingis. He plays with a lot of variety, but he has no power.

adee-gee
03-17-2007, 05:14 AM
Djoko will spank him. He has a sore hip, a sore ankle and less than 18 hours to recover. I don't rate his chances there at all.

No worries, Andy will hit his marvellous drop shots all match to keep the points short and win :yippee:

Goonergal
03-17-2007, 05:14 AM
2) Stop being so negative on break points.


Yeah. Saw Brad yell, "On the break points, BE MORE AGGRESSIVE!"

scoobs
03-17-2007, 05:14 AM
I know the feeling :o

I feel ill. I actually was close to throwing up in that 3rd set :lol:
I have never been so tense as I was when it got to 5-5 in the tiebreak.

It was absolute agony from that point on.

guga2120
03-17-2007, 05:14 AM
Djoko will spank him. I doubt that

rofe
03-17-2007, 05:15 AM
Murray has some serious talent but I forgive his match today. He is only 19. ;)

Break point conversion was pathetic but then Roger still has poor break point conversion a lot of times so can't complain.

Oh and to people who think he is a moonballer - he can flatten his shots off both wings (if he wants to) as you undoubtedly saw in the TB.

preNadal care
03-17-2007, 05:16 AM
Woohoo!!! Go Andy!!! I think he will be ok for Novak...:scratch:

Lullaby
03-17-2007, 05:16 AM
No worries, Andy will hit his marvellous drop shots all match to keep the points short and win :yippee:


How many did he attempt near the end of that match lol

scoobs
03-17-2007, 05:16 AM
Yes, but what about the match? :D
boom-tish! :lol:

Regenbogen
03-17-2007, 05:16 AM
I know the feeling :o

I feel ill. I actually was close to throwing up in that 3rd set :lol:

:lol: I think I was too tired to get as nervous as I normally do...I was just laughing uncontrollably for about 20 minutes :unsure:

stroszek
03-17-2007, 05:17 AM
Hopefully Djokovic will be ON tomorrow:yeah::devil: I wonder what he thought about that match:lol:

The big winner is Djokovic, Murray will be wheeled on for their match tomorrow.

adee-gee
03-17-2007, 05:17 AM
Yeah. Saw Brad yell, "On the break points, BE MORE AGGRESSIVE!"
Brad also looked furious at every "drop shot" yet Muzza still feels the need to play them at the most ridiculous of times :help: :cuckoo:
I have never been so tense as I was when it got to 5-5 in the tiebreak.

It was absolute agony from that point on.
The whole 3rd set was agony :sobbing:

The game at 1-1 when he finally broke after about 10 deuces....then the slips, the injury time outs, the shot selection.....it was killing me :lol:

Goonergal
03-17-2007, 05:17 AM
Yes, but what about the match? :D

:lol:

Thanks. I needed a laugh after this match :tape:

scoobs
03-17-2007, 05:17 AM
Murray is a moonballer.

is that supposed to be some sort of epithet? That he employs, when it's right to do so (and sometimes when it's not) the tactics that will disrupt his opponent's rhythm?

Spare me this nonsense.

jenks10s
03-17-2007, 05:18 AM
Great jog Andy, but it would have been nice if you should some emotion after winning that thrilling match.


Ajmo Nole!!

scoobs
03-17-2007, 05:18 AM
Great jog Andy, but it would have been nice if you should some emotion after winning that thrilling match.


Ajmo Nole!!
Knackered and in pain perhaps?

Goonergal
03-17-2007, 05:19 AM
Brad also looked furious at every "drop shot" yet Muzza still feels the need to play them at the most ridiculous of times :help: :cuckoo:


Tell me about it. Brad looked disgusted and rightfully so.

Allure
03-17-2007, 05:19 AM
What an incredible match, the best match of the tournament so far. I have never seen a full Murray match and the first was today. Wow, this kid has talent. Amazing shotmaking until the end of the third set which just got ugly.:o The only thing I don't like is that he is a defensive player meaning he relies on others to make mistakes. But he is a good player nonetheless- tonight I am a fan.:)

GlennMirnyi
03-17-2007, 05:19 AM
Murray is a moonballer and Haas is a choker. Nothing new. Anyway, :hatoff: for Murray that he didn't give up like Nadal does everytime he feels pain.

Never seen so much choking in my life. Well, ok, except for matches involving French players.

Metis
03-17-2007, 05:19 AM
I watched it from the ankle injury till a couple of points before it ended (that's when the livestream abruptly switched to football :lol: ). What a :wazzup: crazy match!!! :haha: Absolutely hilarious! Haas was on the verge of exploding; his coach is going to suffer tonight. And Andy is going to get a spanking from Brad for all the dropshots. :lol:

scoobs
03-17-2007, 05:20 AM
And as for "Good luck child" then I need to slap you upside the head with a wet kipper.

He's beaten 2 top 10 players in a row, in this match he's dealt with a fall that most of us watching thought would be the end of the contest, slipped again on a cable at the net....and shown huge guts and determination to snatch the win right at the death. Lucky? Please. He's good.

Apemant
03-17-2007, 05:21 AM
As for Murray, I haven't seen him play since a long time and I was surprised (and not in a good way). This guy must be the biggest moonballer on the tour. His forehand is really ugly. He can't hit a winner. He reminds me of Hingis. He plays with a lot of variety, but he has no power.

He is no Gonzalez, but he does have some power (esp. on BH), only he doesn't use it all the time, but as an element of surprise. Whatever is needed to get a W.

So much UEs by Haas is not just him having a bad day. It has a lot to do with the utter unpredictablity of Murray's shots. Because, you know, people generally tend to have a whole truckload of UEs when playing Andy, and I don't think he's just lucky each time...

adee-gee
03-17-2007, 05:21 AM
Murray is a moonballer and Haas is a choker. Nothing new. Anyway, :hatoff: for Murray that he didn't give up like Nadal does everytime he feels pain.

Never seen so much choking in my life. Well, ok, except for matches involving French players.
You must love the Semi Finals, 4 of your favourite players :D

GlennMirnyi
03-17-2007, 05:21 AM
And as for "Good luck child" then I need to slap you upside the head with a wet kipper.

He's beaten 2 top 10 players in a row, in this match he's dealt with a fall that most of us watching thought would be the end of the contest, slipped again on a cable at the net....and shown huge guts and determination to snatch the win right at the death. Lucky? Please. He's good.

Ok, what about the factor that Haas is a mental midget?

chewy
03-17-2007, 05:22 AM
Haas!:(

TennisLurker
03-17-2007, 05:23 AM
What a wasted chance for Haas.

my0118
03-17-2007, 05:23 AM
Murray!! time to spank your friend and say 'you're a joke' when you finish the match.

Andre♥
03-17-2007, 05:23 AM
pathetic match , all i can say from watching the entire match is tht murray is nothing more than a great moonballer . he seems to be too weak to hit a winner on his forehand side .
murray fans please comment on this , tht forehand was it off today or is it the way he plays always since i hve not had the opportunity to watch many of this kids matches .

You don't need to have a great FH to win matches.

A great BH makes the difference, because a player with a good BH is one of a million nowadays...

Morgan Z
03-17-2007, 05:23 AM
I don't think that Djokovic will thrash him. He looked far worse against Ginepri and didn't do badly against Roddick in front of a partisan crowd.

Djokovic will be the favourite, but you don't really know how Andy pulls out matches from nowhere. ;)

MarcM
03-17-2007, 05:23 AM
People are being too harsh on his forehand.

He hit some big winners on it at crucial times, that one were Haas ended up throwing his racket at the net was sensational.

I fear for him against Djokovic now, he won't be feeling good in the morning.

Jeez though i was really tired before this match, now i'm fully awake and it's 5.20am.
Heres to many more late night Murray dramas like this for years to come. :worship:

adee-gee
03-17-2007, 05:23 AM
pathetic match , all i can say from watching the entire match is tht murray is nothing more than a great moonballer . he seems to be too weak to hit a winner on his forehand side .
murray fans please comment on this , tht forehand was it off today or is it the way he plays always since i hve not had the opportunity to watch many of this kids matches .
His forehand is very effective, he doesn't hit that many winners off it but it's a very solid shot and he uses it to construct points very well. He can get plenty of power on it when he wants to, but he doesn't feel the need to crack winners off it constantly. Its been good enough to defeat pretty much every good player around, so I guess it's not too bad a shot ;)

scoobs
03-17-2007, 05:23 AM
You guys going on about "moonballer" like that's some lazy, illegitimate and un-macho tactic - pathetic. He mixes his pace, his spins, his direction and his height. If that makes him a moonballer then I support moonballers. He should wear it as a badge of honour.

Sean.J.S.
03-17-2007, 05:24 AM
:tape::o:sad::sobbing:

Tommy! :shout:

BlakeorHenman
03-17-2007, 05:24 AM
Ugh! What an ugly match!

After Murray's long timeout to get treated for the twisted ankle, Haas completely checked out mentally. He could never get into the match again.

57 UEs by Haas!!!! That's ridiculous. He was throwing everything out.

As for Murray, I haven't seen him play since a long time and I was surprised (and not in a good way). This guy must be the biggest moonballer on the tour. His forehand is really ugly. He can't hit a winner. He reminds me of Hingis. He plays with a lot of variety, but he has no power.

Hell i wish I could play like Hingis... doesnt seem like such a bad thing to me.

GlennMirnyi
03-17-2007, 05:24 AM
You must love the Semi Finals, 4 of your favourite players :D

I like Djokovic.

Enjoy while you can, Federer is winning Miami. :)

Sean.J.S.
03-17-2007, 05:25 AM
Murray won't get past Djokovic.

TennisLurker
03-17-2007, 05:25 AM
pathetic match , all i can say from watching the entire match is tht murray is nothing more than a great moonballer . he seems to be too weak to hit a winner on his forehand side .
murray fans please comment on this , tht forehand was it off today or is it the way he plays always since i hve not had the opportunity to watch many of this kids matches .

His forehand is always like that, but then, isnt he like 19? his body wont reach maturity till he is 21/22, I expect him to get more powerful as his body matures and goes thru hard training

scoobs
03-17-2007, 05:25 AM
Ok, what about the factor that Haas is a mental midget?
Murray can only play what's in front of him. Haas's mental dimensions were adequate against Roddick in Memphis, Gonzalez in Indian Wells, etc. Why suddenly does he lose it against Murray? Do you think he fancies him or something?

Jimnik
03-17-2007, 05:26 AM
Match of the year so far. That totally lived up to its hype and expectation. Entertainment that Hollywood would have been proud of. :yeah:

Great win for Murray who once again proved himself to be the mentally stronger player. He just beat the most confident in-form player on tour. Today, he confirmed that there's no-one who can out-play him.

Off course the one who benefits most from this is Djokovic. Murray's ankle is probably going to swell up tomorrow morning and mentally he won't be up for another long battle. But good luck to him. :yeah:

Lullaby
03-17-2007, 05:26 AM
Some seriously disturbed people in this thread - He has beaten or pushed very close practically the entire top 10 and still you can not applaud him

Merton
03-17-2007, 05:27 AM
The win is what matters in this match, I hope Andy is fit enough for his semifinal tomorrow.

GlennMirnyi
03-17-2007, 05:27 AM
You don't need to have a great FH to win matches.

A great BH makes the difference, because a player with a good BH is one of a million nowadays...

Federer, Ljubicic, Djokovic, Berdych, Haas, Nalbandian all have good BHs, and I just used names of the top 10 (plus Berdych and Djokovic).

You guys going on about "moonballer" like that's some lazy, illegitimate and un-macho tactic - pathetic. He mixes his pace, his spins, his direction and his height. If that makes him a moonballer then I support moonballers. He should wear it as a badge of honour.

Don't try to give us that. He was moonballing and playing some 6 meters behind the baseline. That's as moonballer as it gets.

adee-gee
03-17-2007, 05:28 AM
I like Djokovic.

Enjoy while you can, Federer is winning Miami. :)
I plan to, 4 of my 5 favourite players in the Semi Final :dance:

Quite possibly, but it makes a nice change to have a tournament where any of the last 4 could win it, no? :)
Murray can only play what's in front of him. Haas's mental dimensions were adequate against Roddick in Memphis, Gonzalez in Indian Wells, etc. Why suddenly does he lose it against Murray? Do you think he fancies him or something?
Quite possibly, did you see how quick he was to rush over when Muzza got injured and massage his foot ;)

danton
03-17-2007, 05:28 AM
Why is it that so many of you think Andy only ever wins because others play rubbish and or have a mental breakdown.

If that is the case Andy must have some special powers because 19 times out of 22 this season he has won.

Credit where credits due

Eddster
03-17-2007, 05:28 AM
Very very ill, have to get up in say 5 hrs 45 mins, but what a match, Murray with those brainfarts and to those who say about his fh watch Murray v Nadal, in that match hit winners of both sides and that was the first time I have ever seen him do that. He can do what he wants, when he wants, but the problem is sometimes he has too many shots.

Voo de Mar
03-17-2007, 05:28 AM
And as for "Good luck child" then I need to slap you upside the head with a wet kipper.

He's beaten 2 top 10 players in a row, in this match he's dealt with a fall that most of us watching thought would be the end of the contest, slipped again on a cable at the net....and shown huge guts and determination to snatch the win right at the death. Lucky? Please. He's good.

He is VERY good and along with Djokovic he is the future of tennis. But tennis is a mixing of many factors including "magicial luck" - Murray it has, Djokovic as well.
Haas isn't "good luck child" and therefore he didn't win any Grand Slam although he had a great potential.

scoobs
03-17-2007, 05:30 AM
Federer, Ljubicic, Djokovic, Berdych, Haas, Nalbandian all have good BHs, and I just used names of the top 10 (plus Berdych and Djokovic).



Don't try to give us that. He was moonballing and playing some 6 meters behind the baseline. That's as moonballer as it gets.
You're in dreamland my friend. But we all knew that anyway.

GlennMirnyi
03-17-2007, 05:30 AM
Murray can only play what's in front of him. Haas's mental dimensions were adequate against Roddick in Memphis, Gonzalez in Indian Wells, etc. Why suddenly does he lose it against Murray? Do you think he fancies him or something?

Haas is a known choker. He had a million chances during the match and lost 'em all. When Murray fell but still held serve, he went nuts and from then on you could see he'd blow it.

By the way, 50 UEs is enough to show that Haas blew this one. Again.

scoobs
03-17-2007, 05:30 AM
He is VERY good and along with Djokovic he is the future of tennis. But tennis is a mixing of many factors including "magicial luck" - Murray it has, Djokovic as well.
Haas isn't "good luck child" and therefore he didn't win any Grand Slam although he had a great potential.
Who was it who said "the more I practice the luckier I seem to get?"

stroszek
03-17-2007, 05:30 AM
Match of the year so far. That totally lived up to its hype and expectation. Entertainment that Hollywood would have been proud of. :yeah:

Great win for Murray who once again proved himself to be the mentally stronger player. He just beat the most confident in-form player on tour. Today, he confirmed that there's no-one who can out-play him.

Off course the one who benefits most from this is Djokovic. Murray's ankle is probably going to swell up tomorrow morning and mentally he won't be up for another long battle.

Yes, I was sure Haas would win early on, he was playing brilliantly, but Murray went with him, Federer's the only other player I could see beating Haas in that form, but Murray fought his guts out. The third set was scrappier, but Haas played superbly when he was bp down several times at 4-4,just lost it in the tie-breaker (and at 6-5*, the worst game of the match). Phenominal technical and mental performance by Murray.

tripb19
03-17-2007, 05:31 AM
I'm becoming a Murray fan and I like his use of 'surprise' flat hard FHs to win points, but in the 2nd half of the match he just didn't do this at all, hence the moonballer comments.

BlakeorHenman
03-17-2007, 05:31 AM
the problem is all the goddamn drop shots. Get over them already!

Apemant
03-17-2007, 05:32 AM
Some seriously disturbed people in this thread - He has beaten or pushed very close practically the entire top 10 and still you can not applaud him

It's not just that, but he beat them with a game that still looks rather undeveloped. I see VERY much room for improvement in there... if he ever finds any sort of REAL consistency in the required tools for his point construction, he'll be really formidable.

Corey Feldman
03-17-2007, 05:32 AM
Another top10'er dispatched by McHaggis..
i just hope he is not worn out by now.

GlennMirnyi
03-17-2007, 05:32 AM
I plan to, 4 of my 5 favourite players in the Semi Final :dance:

Quite possibly, but it makes a nice change to have a tournament where any of the last 4 could win it, no? :)


Yeah, other players can only win when Federer isn't playing. You know it, that's nice.

You're in dreamland my friend. But we all knew that anyway.

Tells the WTA fan. You're used to watch matches like that, of course Murray isn't a moonballer for you. :lol:

LinkMage
03-17-2007, 05:32 AM
Hell i wish I could play like Hingis... doesnt seem like such a bad thing to me.

Hingis is my favorite player on the WTA. The problem is that she has to rely on her opponent making lots of UEs. If her opponent comes on fire hitting winner after winner, she has no chance. She lacks power, and her serve is really weak.

scoobs
03-17-2007, 05:33 AM
the problem is all the goddamn drop shots. Get over them already!
Can't argue. Brad is going to cane him for that.

That was a definite display of temporary immaturity there - it's the first time he's been so silly all year - he was a bit lucky Haas failed to capitalise and played an awful game. But there we go.

BlakeorHenman
03-17-2007, 05:33 AM
This moonballer myth would make for a good episode of Penn and Teller's BULLSHIT. Tennis is tennis, tactics are tactics. It's just a silly argument.

danton
03-17-2007, 05:33 AM
the problem is all the goddamn drop shots. Get over them already!

That's the first time I have seen Gilbert look like he was going to storm the court and give Andy a good slap for all those drop shots - especially as most of them failed.

shrudy
03-17-2007, 05:33 AM
did anyone find a working stream for this btw? just wondering, i couldn't get anything to work.

GlennMirnyi
03-17-2007, 05:35 AM
This moonballer myth would make for a good episode of Penn and Teller's BULLSHIT. Tennis is tennis, tactics are tactics. It's just a silly argument.

:haha: Weren't you supporting Blake when he tried to steal Korolev's place in Vegas? :lol:

Great tactic: moonball to oblivion and wait for UEs. Way to go tough guy.

scoobs
03-17-2007, 05:36 AM
Well in any case I'm here to celebrate and discuss an incredible win. I'm not here to make Murray converts - he does that on his own. Like him or don't. Like his game or don't. I think he's fantastic and you won't find a player more willing to leave it all on the court than him. He fights as hard as anyone I have ever seen - with Nadal perhaps. I'm left in awe of how he's able to get under the skin of player after player and reduce their game to a nervy unfocused hit and hope tactic.

Lullaby
03-17-2007, 05:37 AM
loving the 135/136MPH serves out wide as well - That is starting to develop nicely!

GlennMirnyi
03-17-2007, 05:38 AM
Well in any case I'm here to celebrate and discuss an incredible win. I'm not here to make Murray converts - he does that on his own. Like him or don't. Like his game or don't. I think he's fantastic and you won't find a player more willing to leave it all on the court than him. He fights as hard as anyone I have ever seen - with Nadal perhaps. I'm left in awe of how he's able to get under the skin of player after player and reduce their game to a nervy unfocused hit and hope tactic.

:haha: A fangirl couldn't do better overhyping him. Next time teach him how to get under Ljubicic's skin. :lol:

Merton
03-17-2007, 05:38 AM
He is no Gonzalez, but he does have some power (esp. on BH), only he doesn't use it all the time, but as an element of surprise. Whatever is needed to get a W.

So much UEs by Haas is not just him having a bad day. It has a lot to do with the utter unpredictablity of Murray's shots. Because, you know, people generally tend to have a whole truckload of UEs when playing Andy, and I don't think he's just lucky each time...

Excellent points there, the fact that Andy's style is not seen these days also means that it will take some time before people discover how to play against him.

You guys going on about "moonballer" like that's some lazy, illegitimate and un-macho tactic - pathetic. He mixes his pace, his spins, his direction and his height. If that makes him a moonballer then I support moonballers. He should wear it as a badge of honour.

If all balls that pass the net with a high clearence are called "moonballs" as a matter of terminology I am fine with that, but obviously the use of the term hides the fact that many of these balls are very different from each other.

BlakeorHenman
03-17-2007, 05:38 AM
:haha: Weren't you supporting Blake when he tried to steal Korolev's place in Vegas? :lol:

Great tactic: moonball to oblivion and wait for UEs. Way to go tough guy.

Duly noted. My lack of both conscience and masculinity are now fully exposed.

GlennMirnyi
03-17-2007, 05:40 AM
Duly noted. My lack of both conscience and masculinity are now fully exposed.

You're saying that yourself. :lol:

BlakeorHenman
03-17-2007, 05:40 AM
lol

stroszek
03-17-2007, 05:40 AM
What's wrong with moonballing?

scoobs
03-17-2007, 05:41 AM
If the worst people have to say about him is that he's a moonballer, it's been a very good night's work :)

Apemant
03-17-2007, 05:43 AM
:haha: Weren't you supporting Blake when he tried to steal Korolev's place in Vegas? :lol:

Great tactic: moonball to oblivion and wait for UEs. Way to go tough guy.

Players should be able to kill off those moonballs; all you need is a really powerful FH, as you have enough time to run around it or anything.

If you watched Andy vs. Nadal in AO, you must have noticed that Andy was far more aggresive there than today. Which means, this moonballing strategy was there specifically for Haas, and obviously, it worked. Think of it, that guy (Haas) just beat Gonzo very convincingly, and also beat Roddick easily. Why would his level drop all of a sudden, just for Murray? I mean, funny how people's level drop rigth before they bump into him...

sawan66278
03-17-2007, 05:44 AM
Murray showed that he not only has talent, but he is starting to strengthen his heart as well. Let's hope his ankle is alright for tomorrow...at least one thing is certain, Murray's injury timeouts will be legitimate unlike...um...someone we know;)

And lets give a HUGE AMOUNT of credit to Haas for his classy reaction to and actions following Murray's twisted ankle. He actually stayed on Murray's side and helped take his shoe off. He went way up in my estimation as a player. True class there, Tommy.:)

scoobs
03-17-2007, 05:45 AM
Players should be able to kill off those moonballs; all you need is a really powerful FH, as you have enough time to run around it or anything.

If you watched Andy vs. Nadal in AO, you must have noticed that Andy was far more aggresive there than today. Which means, this moonballing strategy was there specifically for Haas, and obviously, it worked. Think of it, that guy (Haas) just beat Gonzo very convincingly, and also beat Roddick easily. Why would his level drop all of a sudden, just for Murray? I mean, funny how people's level drop rigth before they bump into him...
He did the same against Davydenko, for the same reasons - to disrupt the rhythm and confidence on the baseline game.

scoobs
03-17-2007, 05:45 AM
Murray showed that he not only has talent, but he is starting to strengthen his heart as well. Let's hope his ankle is alright for tomorrow...at least one thing is certain, Murray's injury timeouts will be legitimate unlike...um...someone we know;)

And lets give a HUGE AMOUNT of credit to Haas for his classy reaction to and actions following Murray's twisted ankle. He actually stayed on Murray's side and helped take his shoe off. He went way up in my estimation as a player. True class there, Tommy.:)
Very good point - I thought Tommy was extremely decent to be there by Andy's side through all that.

BlakeorHenman
03-17-2007, 05:46 AM
i rate andy very high and think he has a very good all round tennis(second to fed) . but sometimes watching his matches gives me the feeling that he prefers to play defensive tennis and waits for the opponent to breakdown , not that it is a bad thing but i would love him being more agressive and winning points instead of waiting for a error from the opponent .
i think his natural style is to be defensive and prefers to be a moonballer and waits for an error from the opponent .

Or... he FORCES the errors. It's hard to keep hitting winners against a backboard, especially for a guy like Haas. Even if you make your opponent overhit, you still win the point and I don't see how that's any less talented.

stroszek
03-17-2007, 05:46 AM
i rate andy very high and think he has a very good all round tennis(second to fed) . but sometimes watching his matches gives me the feeling that he prefers to play defensive tennis and waits for the opponent to breakdown , not that it is a bad thing but i would love him being more agressive and winning points instead of waiting for a error from the opponent .
i think his natural style is to be defensive and prefers to be a moonballer and waits for an error from the opponent .

That's too simplistic though, it sounds like he's just hacking it back so many times that his world-class opponent eventually misses. What Murray does is cleverly manouvre his opponent using an array of strokes (not only moonballs), taking the opponent out of his comfort zone and FORCING the error. He did it against Haas! The hottest player on tour.

*Viva Chile*
03-17-2007, 05:47 AM
For moments I thought I was watching a WTA match :tape:

:o for both players, but finally at the stats... Haas finish with a lot more UE than Murray :tape:

Gilbert really knows how to the teach the philosophy of "winning ugly" to his pupils... anyway, congrats Murray :scratch:

Fee
03-17-2007, 05:48 AM
Well done to Andy for finding a way to gut that match out and stay in it long enough to let Haas fall apart. Anyone who criticizes his game should wait to see him play in person. TV doesn't give you a true idea of all the things he can send off of his racquet and the way it can really throw players off. I was quite surprised when he beat Hewitt in san jose last year, he made Hewitt look a newbie, not a 2 slam winner.

I don't think anyone can really get into Haas' head, there is no room in there with all the voices. He was relatively calm for the first set, then he seemed more distracted by Murray's ankle than anyone else in the whole stadium. He needs a spanking for that performance. I'll take the responsibility for it, this time. (oh woe is me...)

sondraj06
03-17-2007, 05:48 AM
For moments I thought I was watching a WTA match :tape:

:o for both players, but finally at the stats... Haas finish with a lot more UE than Murray :tape:

Gilbert really knows how to the teach the philosophy of "winning ugly" to his pupils... anyway, congrats Murray :scratch:

I have to agree, I don't see what eveyone else see in Murray but like people say with Nadal a wins a win. I just don't know how long he can keep up grinding his way through wins. He isn't fit for it

Lullaby
03-17-2007, 05:48 AM
And lets give a HUGE AMOUNT of credit to Haas for his classy reaction to and actions following Murray's twisted ankle. He actually stayed on Murray's side and helped take his shoe off. He went way up in my estimation as a player. True class there, Tommy.:)

:worship:

BlakeorHenman
03-17-2007, 05:49 AM
That's too simplistic though, it sounds like he's just hacking it back so many times that his world-class opponent eventually misses. What Murray does is cleverly manouvre his opponent using an array of strokes (not only moonballs), taking the opponent out of his comfort zone and FORCING the error. He did it against Haas! The hottest player on tour.

Yes, and I would call this tactic from players like Murray and Hingis very aggressive.

Veronique
03-17-2007, 05:49 AM
Murray is a great defender. That's his style and obviously it's working for him. The child is breaking in the top 10 soon where he'll be a fixture for the next few years. He's probably going to win an MS before Ljubicic does.

Allure
03-17-2007, 05:50 AM
I think three things we learned in this match

- Andy Murray is a moonballer
- He should NOT hit dropshots or Brad will spank him
- He should win an oscar for best actor

*hits a winner, surprised, head down* ''Man I suck!'' *limping, runs fast and hits a winner* ''Ahhh I suck so bad!''

Allure
03-17-2007, 05:52 AM
I have to agree, I don't see what eveyone else see in Murray but like people say with Nadal a wins a win. I just don't know how long he can keep up grinding his way through wins. He isn't fit for it

One needs construction arms for that.:p

kobulingam
03-17-2007, 05:54 AM
I watched it from the ankle injury till a couple of points before it ended (that's when the livestream abruptly switched to football :lol: ). What a :wazzup: crazy match!!! :haha: Absolutely hilarious! Haas was on the verge of exploding; his coach is going to suffer tonight. And Andy is going to get a spanking from Brad for all the dropshots. :lol:

what livestream?

World Beater
03-17-2007, 05:54 AM
murray did moonball in this particular match and chooses to do so every now and again.

my0118
03-17-2007, 05:57 AM
I think three things we learned in this match

- Andy Murray is a moonballer
- He should NOT hit dropshots or Brad will spank him
- He should win an oscar for best actor
*hits a winner, surprised, head down* ''Man I suck!'' *limping, runs fast and hits a winner* ''Ahhh I suck so bad!''

well, he could be, but eventually lost because Blake (who is nominated as well) would make a call Mr. Disney to be a winner.

idolwatcher1
03-17-2007, 06:08 AM
- He should win an oscar for best actor

*hits a winner, surprised, head down* ''Man I suck!'' *limping, runs fast and hits a winner* ''Ahhh I suck so bad!''
that's exactly what me and my friend were saying as we watched the match... When I first saw Andy fall to the ground, I was like, OMG that looked BAD! But then they showed the replay, and it didn't honestly look that bad... it was nowhere even close to what happened to Tatiana Golovin last year... I figured he would be just fine... and he proved me right! He was just fine... his ankle never got worse, but his acting was pretty good!

Corey Feldman
03-17-2007, 06:11 AM
Murray is a great defender. That's his style and obviously it's working for him. The child is breaking in the top 10 soon where he'll be a fixture for the next few years. He's probably going to win an MS before Ljubicic does.Giving props to muzza and a sly dig at Ljubicic..
that is what i call a good post :lol:

- He should win an oscar for best actorHaas could go for best supporting actor himself after that 6-5 game in the third

wildegirl05
03-17-2007, 06:14 AM
I think three things we learned in this match

- He should win an oscar for best actor

*hits a winner, surprised, head down* ''Man I suck!'' *limping, runs fast and hits a winner* ''Ahhh I suck so bad!''

ahh, so true. i've never been a fan of his style of play and coupled with the acting just pushed me firmly into the nay camp.

too bad for tommy :awww:

Voo de Mar
03-17-2007, 06:15 AM
Haas could go for best supporting actor himself after that 6-5 game in the third

:lol:

sondraj06
03-17-2007, 06:16 AM
One needs construction arms for that.:p

No but seriously, he is way not fit for the type of game he is playing right now. And it is not going to do much for him much longer.

Voo de Mar
03-17-2007, 06:18 AM
that's exactly what me and my friend were saying as we watched the match... When I first saw Andy fall to the ground, I was like, OMG that looked BAD! But then they showed the replay, and it didn't honestly look that bad...

Some people it have in his blood ;) I've got a friend who notoriously falls to the ground when he plays volleyball but it's always ok... I think Murray is a little hypochondriac :cool:

idolwatcher1
03-17-2007, 06:24 AM
Some people it have in his blood ;) I've got a friend who notoriously falls to the ground when he plays volleyball but it's always ok... I think Murray is a little hypochondriac :cool:
He tries to chase after every ball, so of course he'll fall every now and then, but the acting is a separate matter entirely... :unsure:

Allure
03-17-2007, 06:30 AM
Pacific Life Open: The Movie

Best actor: Andy Murray
Nominated in same category: Tommy Haas
Best supporting actor: Brad Gilbert for smiling/acting unaffected when his pupil twist his ankle and almost retired:p

brent-o
03-17-2007, 06:34 AM
Very dramatic match but the tennis almost put me to sleep. Good for Murray to get through though. This means we'll have a young gun in the final (I'm thinking Djokovic is gonna be the one)

idolwatcher1
03-17-2007, 06:35 AM
Pacific Life Open: The Movie

Best actor: Andy Murray
Nominated in same category: Tommy Haas
Best supporting actor: Brad Gilbert for smiling/acting unaffected when his pupil twist his ankle and almost retired:p
Best director: Brad Gilbert? :p

brent-o
03-17-2007, 06:38 AM
Btw, this is the first time I've seen Murray play this tournament. He's really filled out since the last time I saw him. Looks more built, especially the legs. Brad's been doing some good work with him.

atheneglaukopis
03-17-2007, 07:06 AM
I don't think anyone can really get into Haas' head, there is no room in there with all the voices.:haha: :yeah:
He was relatively calm for the first set, then he seemed more distracted by Murray's ankle than anyone else in the whole stadium.But you knew that was going to happen...last year at DC, the German crowd is getting rowdy supporting him, Kuhnen's getting up in the umpire's face, Gasquet's a less experienced player, and who ends up getting the most distracted? "Oh god, home crowd, can't cope! *dies*"

Props to Murray for today. Not an easy win, but he earned it.

eck
03-17-2007, 07:28 AM
Tommy :o :o
I was even surprise he managed to hold for 5-4 in the 3rd set :o


Murray :yeah:

"I've never felt so bad in my life!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" :lol: :lol:

azinna
03-17-2007, 07:30 AM
Pure madness. There was a point in the match when the two were moonballing each other. :retard: :cuckoo: No. Not clay-courter's top-spinning. Straight up moonballing. A la junior girls tournaments.

Speaking of which, Murray's gotta be the biggest Drama Queen on the ATP. Did a wonderful impression of some Italian footballers I know.....

jazar
03-17-2007, 08:00 AM
dammit tommy

Agassi Aces
03-17-2007, 08:14 AM
Fantastic win for Murray- hope he is fit for Djokovic now!!!

Hip-And-Happenin
03-17-2007, 08:21 AM
Tommy. :help: :retard: :mad: :shout: :fiery: :cuckoo:

Allez
03-17-2007, 08:26 AM
YES!!!! Well done Muzza. :bounce: Don't know how you managed to do it given the injury and all but excellently done! Please heal quickly and give us a superb match with Nole :yeah::yeah::yeah:

RonE
03-17-2007, 08:39 AM
Haha.

blosson
03-17-2007, 08:46 AM
wow.

Allez
03-17-2007, 08:49 AM
Players should be able to kill off those moonballs; all you need is a really powerful FH, as you have enough time to run around it or anything.

If you watched Andy vs. Nadal in AO, you must have noticed that Andy was far more aggresive there than today. Which means, this moonballing strategy was there specifically for Haas, and obviously, it worked. Think of it, that guy (Haas) just beat Gonzo very convincingly, and also beat Roddick easily. Why would his level drop all of a sudden, just for Murray? I mean, funny how people's level drop rigth before they bump into him...

Very good point. Murray uses his brains as much as his talent to win matches. He has a very astute tactical mind. It would make no sense for him to be "defensive" against a defensive player. However against players like Haas who feed off the opponent's pace, you have to disrupt their rhythm. Tennis is not just about who can hit the ball harder and flatter or who is better able to paint the lines. It's also about figuring out a way to win and Murray's proven that he knows how to do this :yeah:

lleytonfan!
03-17-2007, 08:59 AM
Tommy! :mad: You had it in the palm of your hand. I thought you were home after winning the firsts et. Two match points just wasted!

adee-gee
03-17-2007, 09:34 AM
Who was it who said "the more I practice the luckier I seem to get?"
That'll be the legendary Arnold Palmer :worship:

:lol: at all the bull posted in this thread.

Kalliopeia
03-17-2007, 09:56 AM
Reading through this thread makes me wish I'd watched the whole match. I was so tired, though, and fell asleep sometime near the end of the first set. Sounds like it was one to remember. :lol:

jazar
03-17-2007, 09:57 AM
i just watched a replay of the match and in the 3rd set all murray was doing was hacking. it was disgusting and shameful to watch

Lullaby
03-17-2007, 10:01 AM
i just watched a replay of the match and in the 3rd set all murray was doing was hacking. it was disgusting and shameful to watch


Andy dominated the 3rd set and should have won without the tiebreak - So many break chances!

adee-gee
03-17-2007, 10:03 AM
i just watched a replay of the match and in the 3rd set all murray was doing was hacking. it was disgusting and shameful to watch
You must be a really great journalist :hatoff:

Allez
03-17-2007, 10:04 AM
i just watched a replay of the match and in the 3rd set all murray was doing was hacking. it was disgusting and shameful to watch

Qualify that statement by saying it was disgusting to you ;) I'm sure you much preferred Tim Henman's match :rolleyes:

gmak
03-17-2007, 10:05 AM
damn Tommy what a waste :mad: :rolleyes:

Kolya
03-17-2007, 10:08 AM
Winning is not always pretty.

sdtoot
03-17-2007, 10:14 AM
Reading the comments on this thread - it sounded like a thriller!!....God, I wished I'd stayed up for it. Well done Andy, everyone keeps bashing him but he does the business. Nole is next for the slaughter. LOL.

Sean.J.S.
03-17-2007, 10:24 AM
I am so despressed right now. :sobbing:

Well I guess I know what it is like on the other side after Haas saved a MP against Kolya at AO QF. :)

Kolya
03-17-2007, 10:27 AM
Its karma... :D

thrust
03-17-2007, 10:27 AM
I loved the two drop shot winners Andy hit right after Tommy drop shot him the first point after Andy^s injury. Sorry, but Tommy tends to get injured too often when the match is on the line. I think he was faking it, as an excuse for choking. Became a Murray fan last night. He has a fascinating game and is a great fighter. Hopefully, he will be in good shape today. That Serbian kid hits rockets!

Sean.J.S.
03-17-2007, 10:27 AM
Btw wasn't Murray supposed to be seriously injured? I mean, I know that he had his ankle brace and everything, but the commentators said that there was no chance he could play on and the situation seemed like he was going to retire.

Jaap
03-17-2007, 10:29 AM
Haas is one of the biggest chokers in tennis.

However, I think Murray must be the only player to get stick after beating top 10 players. I think everytime he has beaten one, it has always been down to choking/tanking/injury/luck/ :haha:

He will now beat Djokovic in the next round.....if fit.

rrfnpump
03-17-2007, 10:33 AM
this is so typical :o

Tommy :o :( :(

Lullaby
03-17-2007, 10:34 AM
Btw wasn't Murray supposed to be seriously injured? I mean, I know that he had his ankle brace and everything, but the commentators said that there was no chance he could play on and the situation seemed like he was going to retire.

He suffered a bad ankle injury earlier in his career and thats why he always has the brace, he said afterwards that he was in shock and that as the match went on his hip was hurting him more, that is a bigger concern for today for me

bokehlicious
03-17-2007, 10:51 AM
Well done Andy :) even though I'm not a fan of his game, one has to give the kid credit for never giving up :yeah:

Fed=ATPTourkilla
03-17-2007, 11:14 AM
I don't the accusations of being a moonballer are fair. As ppl have said, look how he attacked Nadal. He is varying his play depending on the opponent. Plainly he is nothing whatsoever like the other player accused of being a moonballer, Nadal, who only knows how to play one way.

That said, I do wonder whether his success is sustainable, and his results will go downhill when people figure him out. On the other hand he still has some filling out to do and his shots will get stronger.

crazillo
03-17-2007, 11:26 AM
Not the highest quality, but an extremly close match with two guys at their limit and probably beyond it considering their injuries.

Lullaby
03-17-2007, 11:26 AM
The kid is one of the only players on tour who can play any shot and can both adjust to attack and defend almost equally as well. He will get a lot stronger and will learn to balance attack with defense much better

last night he played his best tennis when he went on the attack in the second set after he cut his foot and then fell over. Some of the shots were breathtaking!

Voo de Mar
03-17-2007, 11:38 AM
this is so typical :o

Tommy :o :( :(

Choking tournament for the Germans.
Phau and Haas had match points, Greul was two points away from victory, Waske and Schuettler were break up in the third set ...

Spes
03-17-2007, 12:00 PM
tommy. :unsure:

if you can't beat pushers, you need to work on some things. :help:

Bilbo
03-17-2007, 12:19 PM
lucky one, murray

Burrow
03-17-2007, 12:26 PM
for f*** sake

Allstar
03-17-2007, 12:39 PM
The kid is one of the only players on tour who can play any shot and can both adjust to attack and defend almost equally as well. He will get a lot stronger and will learn to balance attack with defense much better

last night he played his best tennis when he went on the attack in the second set after he cut his foot and then fell over. Some of the shots were breathtaking!


Good post. Murray has got a reputation as a defensive player but his attacking game is superb as well. I think he should be more aggressive.
I think the injury actually helped him as it forced him to be offensive when the defensive moon balls werent being too effective.

OddJob
03-17-2007, 12:52 PM
Grats Andy!!!! :D

Raquel
03-17-2007, 12:55 PM
Well done Andy! :bounce: :rocker2:

martine2
03-17-2007, 01:17 PM
:eek: :eek: :eek: Couldn't watch but this is quite a surprise....

Congrats to Andy!!!

Tommy :hug: :hug:

MarcelaTauro
03-17-2007, 01:20 PM
Tommy :mad:

cmurray
03-17-2007, 01:32 PM
wow. That match was....bizarre. The differential was awful, but I enjoyed the match anyway. I was just thinking the whole time "who's gonna implode first?". It wasn't a pretty match, but it sure was fun. :)

Sunset of Age
03-17-2007, 01:57 PM
Oh, I'm so sad to have missed this one!

KUDOS Andy!

jazar
03-17-2007, 02:01 PM
Qualify that statement by saying it was disgusting to you ;) I'm sure you much preferred Tim Henman's match :rolleyes:

henman's match was dreadful, he was missing his forehand all over the shop. but i did prefer that, as he was going for it. the vast majority of the time murray was hitting the ball so high over the net he could have been lobbing someone. if he plays like that in davis cup i will be cheering for holland

Denise
03-17-2007, 02:45 PM
Tommy lost...that's sucks!!! :fiery::armed::crying2::sad:

Neely
03-17-2007, 02:56 PM
Okay, a bit of a disappointment as I hoped for Tommy to come through, but I already feared this match is going to be tough for Tommy and Murray is a good player who I can like, too. Besides Murray was much closer overall in the third set than Haas. Still a very good tournament of Tommy. his season is great so far! :hatoff:

haha, "what a choke", big choke! Tommy wasted one match point on his own serve in the tiebreak with an error. Some people... as if a break of serve in the tiebreak never happened before and as if it was the first time Murray won a receiving point :lol:

Players should be able to kill off those moonballs; all you need is a really powerful FH, as you have enough time to run around it or anything.
It's not THAT easy, it's quite hard to produce a winner or even a very good shot off a good high ball with sufficient length and some spin on it to push you away further from the baseline.

oz_boz
03-17-2007, 02:56 PM
Damn, I missed a fun mach :( But cool that Murray pulled through. I said he would be tricky for Haas, but didn't think he would get all the way to the W.

Andy :hatoff:

Nice mini-breakthrough for the mid 80 generation, 3 of 4 SF players.

Neely
03-17-2007, 03:00 PM
Nice mini-breakthrough for the mid 80 generation, 3 of 4 SF players.
Indeed, very good to see that! :yeah:

Corey Feldman
03-17-2007, 03:04 PM
I think i am right in saying tonight's big battle between Muzza and Djokovic is not only for a final spot, but to see who will hit the top10 first - with the win :)

Shrinking Violet
03-17-2007, 03:05 PM
Well done Andy - great win. I just laugh at the usual suspects on here who come out every time Andy wins a match with the usual nonsense about how he's lucky, or how he's not very good, or how the other guys choked or tanked. It's just funny - the guy keeps winning against top 10 guys and according to some 'experts' he's fluking the wins. :lol: Idiots.

As for the 'acting' comment - did you see the fall? You know, the bruise, the cut on the knee, the impaired movement for a few games?

I know some people have this personal dislike for the guy (mostly because he's a threat to whatever guy they like in the top 10 I'd guess) but at least try and be balanced. There's guys I dislike on the tour but I at least try and be impartial when I'm talking about their matches instead of coming out with a load of rubbish after every single match.

I think Nole will win tonight - Andy won't have much in the tank but it's been a great tournament for him.

Murraymaniac
03-17-2007, 03:23 PM
Totally agree 'Shrinking Violet'. Andy did what he had to do last night. Haas is a player who feeds off pace so what the hell would be the point of hitting hard, flat shots to him? Better to play to your strengths (or in last nights case - avoid being drawn in to long, tiring, powerful rallies) and try and play your own game. It was just clever thinking by Andy and fortunately for him - Haas crumbled like Davydenko and so many before when the level of play was brought down.

People criticise Murray for the way in which he played last night but this 'moonballing' was the only sensible way Andy could prevail - considering his movement was restricted moving forward and along the baseline. Totally agree that it was an ugly match though but whatever it takes to seal victory

Sofonda Cox
03-17-2007, 03:28 PM
cant believe ugly murray won because haas choked :retard:

croat123
03-17-2007, 03:28 PM
probably the second worst match i've seen in my life (the title goes to murray vs. monfils at rg)

Apemant
03-17-2007, 03:35 PM
I think Nole will win tonight - Andy won't have much in the tank but it's been a great tournament for him.

Yep, I don't think Andy can count on Nole throwing the match or choking it away. Not gonna happen. So Andy will have to change something. I'm very curious to see what gameplan he's gonna use against Nole's accuracy and consistency.

Alonsofz
03-17-2007, 03:41 PM
Haas :retard:

Murray :yeah:

TMJordan
03-17-2007, 04:24 PM
I think Tommy was too busy massaging Andys foot he forgot about playing tennis the rest of the match. :rolleyes:

http://image2.sina.com.cn/ty/t/p/2007-03-17/U1752P6T12D2806344F44DT20070317141642.jpg

darnyelb
03-17-2007, 04:31 PM
freakin' fantastic match!

I like Murray. I can't stand Haas. So for the match to go the way it did was awesome for me. Credit to Tommy for showing some kindness in the 2nd though.

scoobs
03-17-2007, 04:32 PM
Tommy was a legend, there - you really see the real measure of a person when they're react instinctively and Tommy's first instinct was to go round and try to help any way he could. He really went up a lot in my estimation there.

GlennMirnyi
03-17-2007, 04:34 PM
Players should be able to kill off those moonballs; all you need is a really powerful FH, as you have enough time to run around it or anything.

If you watched Andy vs. Nadal in AO, you must have noticed that Andy was far more aggresive there than today. Which means, this moonballing strategy was there specifically for Haas, and obviously, it worked. Think of it, that guy (Haas) just beat Gonzo very convincingly, and also beat Roddick easily. Why would his level drop all of a sudden, just for Murray? I mean, funny how people's level drop rigth before they bump into him...

Have you ever heard about match-ups? Gonzalez is an attacking player just as Haas is. Both play an open match, so Haas has a lesser chance to choke. Roddick we all know has no baseline game and against a player that can chip his serves, he's pretty much clueless.

For moments I thought I was watching a WTA match :tape:

:o for both players, but finally at the stats... Haas finish with a lot more UE than Murray :tape:

Gilbert really knows how to the teach the philosophy of "winning ugly" to his pupils... anyway, congrats Murray :scratch:

:hatoff:

Pure madness. There was a point in the match when the two were moonballing each other. :retard: :cuckoo: No. Not clay-courter's top-spinning. Straight up moonballing. A la junior girls tournaments.

Speaking of which, Murray's gotta be the biggest Drama Queen on the ATP. Did a wonderful impression of some Italian footballers I know.....

A joke.

i just watched a replay of the match and in the 3rd set all murray was doing was hacking. it was disgusting and shameful to watch

Agreed.

Qualify that statement by saying it was disgusting to you ;) I'm sure you much preferred Tim Henman's match :rolleyes:

Of course, Henman is pure class and doesn't play relying on opponent's mistakes.

Haas is one of the biggest chokers in tennis.

However, I think Murray must be the only player to get stick after beating top 10 players. I think everytime he has beaten one, it has always been down to choking/tanking/injury/luck/ :haha:

He will now beat Djokovic in the next round.....if fit.

Understatement.

henman's match was dreadful, he was missing his forehand all over the shop. but i did prefer that, as he was going for it. the vast majority of the time murray was hitting the ball so high over the net he could have been lobbing someone. if he plays like that in davis cup i will be cheering for holland

You're probably the most reasonable Brit here. :hatoff:

jazar
03-17-2007, 04:37 PM
You're probably the most reasonable Brit here. :hatoff:

unfortunately most of my fellow countrymen are oblivious to what a joke murray is and feel the need to constantly heap praise on him. the most disgusting thing is the british commentators cant say a bad word about him

GlennMirnyi
03-17-2007, 04:43 PM
unfortunately most of my fellow countrymen are oblivious to what a joke murray is and feel the need to constantly heap praise on him. the most disgusting thing is the british commentators cant say a bad word about him

I can imagine. It must be hell. :o

Metis
03-17-2007, 04:46 PM
what livestream?

Sorry, I went to bed before your post :) Someone in the scoring thread mentioned there was a livestream in PPmate (live sports 5 channel or something like that). The quality was good but the commentary was in Chinese and they stopped 2 points before the match ended :lol:.

jazar
03-17-2007, 04:58 PM
I can imagine. It must be hell. :o

yep its terrible. you would have thought they could do their ass licking in private, but no...

GlennMirnyi
03-17-2007, 04:59 PM
yep its terrible. you would have thought they could do their ass licking in private, but no...

Here it's the same, of course with a much much much lesser magnitude, about Sarjetta. :o

HamburgGirl
03-17-2007, 05:00 PM
Why did you blow this opportunity Tommy? This was a such a good chance to finally win a big title after soooo many years. :bigcry:

Or Levy
03-17-2007, 05:00 PM
I think Tommy was too busy massaging Andys foot he forgot about playing tennis the rest of the match. :rolleyes:

http://image2.sina.com.cn/ty/t/p/2007-03-17/U1752P6T12D2806344F44DT20070317141642.jpg

Anyone with a youtube clip of that moment?

kundalini
03-17-2007, 05:01 PM
Nevermind the match, what a thread!

To all of you who haven't seen Andy play that often, what you tend to find is that his style of play varies wildly from match to match. He'll be so passive you wonder how he made it into the top 100, then ultra aggressive in his next match (Chela and Nadal at Aus Open this year a good example of Murray in attacking mode).

He'll serve 67% first serves in play in a poor serving display, then 52% in an impressive serving performance full of aces and unreturned first serves. He'll beat top 10 players while serving in the 40s.

He'll put in a tactical display only to lose the majority of the points played to his game plan (usually inviting his opponent to the net) yet win the match.

He's a moon-baller, a serve-volleyer, a counter-puncher.

jazar
03-17-2007, 05:07 PM
Here it's the same, of course with a much much much lesser magnitude, about Sarjetta. :o

oh yeah, i can imagine. it really is shameful


He's a moon-baller, a serve-volleyer, a counter-puncher.

you missed out twat

scoobs
03-17-2007, 05:08 PM
oh yeah, i can imagine. it really is shameful



you missed out twat
Here's to the twat. I hope he's around to annoy you a very long time.

MaryWalsh
03-17-2007, 05:11 PM
Murray in 3, as I predicted. High point for me was Haas helping out Murray when he fell. Also good to see the stands packed to the rafters. :)

Kitty de Sade
03-17-2007, 06:05 PM
What a crazy ride this one was. Wouldn't have believed it without having actually witnessed it. Save the injuries, I loved it. :)

Allez
03-17-2007, 07:10 PM
henman's match was dreadful, he was missing his forehand all over the shop. but i did prefer that, as he was going for it. the vast majority of the time murray was hitting the ball so high over the net he could have been lobbing someone. if he plays like that in davis cup i will be cheering for holland
It's called tactics. You don't see him playing like that against a Nadal for example. Anyway, Tim's in the Davis Cup squad so I doubt if you'll be cheering for Holland :yeah:

Fee
03-17-2007, 07:32 PM
:awww: If it's so terrible I'd be happy to fill in for you. :devil:

Come to think of it, the type of spanking he earned last night will take two people to deliver. I'd be honored to have you as my wingman.

:hearts: Well, now I know what it takes it get Hasi rushing over to put his hands on you.

Excellent point, I'll remember to fall over the next time I see him.

I missed that whole moment during the match because my husband and I were taking care of dinner. If anyone can put it up on youtube, I would also appreciate it. Tommy isn't as universally despised on tour as some would like to think he is.

BlakeorHenman
03-17-2007, 08:01 PM
awww. I love Fee........

jazar
03-17-2007, 08:07 PM
It's called tactics. You don't see him playing like that against a Nadal for example. Anyway, Tim's in the Davis Cup squad so I doubt if you'll be cheering for Holland :yeah:

i'll be cheering for gb in any henman match, but in any murray match i will switch my allegiance

Fee
03-17-2007, 08:08 PM
awww. I love Fee........


oh stop that, you silly bear, you are making me blush... (last time you said that to me, you confessed you might have been a bit tipsy... :lol: )

BlakeorHenman
03-17-2007, 08:10 PM
oh stop that, you silly bear, you are making me blush... (last time you said that to me, you confessed you might have been a bit tipsy... :lol: )

Not today... just crushing :)

nolop
03-17-2007, 08:12 PM
it wasnt a great match, but was nice to see murray recovered and saved two match points

Fee
03-17-2007, 08:15 PM
Not today... just crushing :)

oh stop. Your avatar is very distracting.

BlakeorHenman
03-17-2007, 08:19 PM
come on, Fee... you're married, I'm gay, but we can make this crazy thing work!!!

+alonso
03-17-2007, 08:39 PM
How could Haas lose that point at *6-5 in the TB :o

Fee
03-17-2007, 09:21 PM
come on, Fee... you're married, I'm gay, but we can make this crazy thing work!!!

Of course we can. :hearts:

If Alfonso doesn't mind, I'm all yours (I'm sure he won't, I think he left me for Shakira)!

Jogy
03-18-2007, 01:36 AM
Have to give congratulation to Murray, he was good and better in last three sets. Have to give the credits for that. Murray is more watchable than Federer, drug abusers or other idiots playing tennis, tennis is winner with Murray playing :yeah:

And good reaching for so far Tommy :)

Tommy isn't as universally despised on tour as some would like to think he is.
Only idiots think this anyway. Of course Tommy is coolman and wants to enjoy money and high standard life and lets other people know that. But why not? He earned the money and may spend it. In bottom heart he is good soel.

TMJordan
03-18-2007, 02:40 AM
I still dont beleive how Haas lost this match.

Corey Feldman
03-18-2007, 04:01 AM
Get over it tennismaster... its the same with me, how the hell did Fed lose to Canas... even Waske and Moya could beat him here.

tennis is on the day.

TMJordan
03-18-2007, 04:04 AM
Get over it tennismaster... its the same with me, how the hell did Fed lose to Canas... even Waske and Moya could beat him here.

tennis is on the day.

I know man, I just had too much invested in that match, I learned my lesson and must move on.