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Andy def Ljubo 7-6(7) 7-6(8)

Loremaster
03-16-2007, 05:17 AM
:worship:

mangoes
03-16-2007, 05:17 AM
Fantastic Match from both Players. It's a pity this wasn't the final. I hope Andy doesn't have a let down for the next match. I'd love to see him win IW.

RickDaStick
03-16-2007, 05:17 AM
Easily the best match of the tournament. Both played well but roddick played the tiebreaks just a tad bit better. Congrats, cant see him losing to Nadal.

nkhera1
03-16-2007, 05:17 AM
Close match, but most importantly sets up the anticapted showdown with Nadal.

Loremaster
03-16-2007, 05:18 AM
Andy didn't faced BP
the second TB was bizzare, Andy wasted to MPs when serving

Voo de Mar
03-16-2007, 05:18 AM
Roddick third time in his career won two tie-breaks in a row against Ljubo. Their TB's H2H after this match: 8-4 A-Rod.
He saved one set point in the 1st TB and none in the second (wasted three match points, two on his own serve).

GlennMirnyi
03-16-2007, 05:18 AM
Again Roddick was schooled from the baseline, couldn't hit a volley winner to save his life and Ljubo choked enough at decisive points to lose the match.

Loremaster
03-16-2007, 05:18 AM
Easily the best match of the tournament. Both played well but roddick played the tiebreaks just a tad bit better. Congrats, cant see him losing to Nadal.

AGREED!!
HE won't lose to Rafa

Sjengster
03-16-2007, 05:18 AM
Did Ljubicic have a setpoint in the first tiebreak? He didn't in the second, Roddick blew a couple of matchpoints on his own serve and then ironically won it on the return.

I see Voo de Mar supplied the info already.

I♥PsY@Mus!c
03-16-2007, 05:18 AM
Ivan put a fight at the end,but it wasn't enough...

oschemi
03-16-2007, 05:18 AM
Close match, but most importantly sets up the anticapted showdown with Nadal.

Roddick will destroy Nadal. I think he will be in the final

kobulingam
03-16-2007, 05:19 AM
How many BPs has Roddick faced this tournament?

Jimnik
03-16-2007, 05:19 AM
What a turn-around. Last year, he couldn't win a TB if his life depended on it and now he can't lose them. :lol:

That's 5 for 5 in this tournament, so far.

TennisLurker
03-16-2007, 05:20 AM
I think Nadal can beat him, the rallies looked like they were both afraid of losing the point instead of them trying to win it.

kobulingam
03-16-2007, 05:20 AM
Did Ljubicic have a setpoint in the first tiebreak? He didn't in the second, Roddick blew a couple of matchpoints on his own serve and then ironically won it on the return.

I see Voo de Mar supplied the info already.

Well sets points are not a big deal in TBs when the opposite player is serving.

Loremaster
03-16-2007, 05:20 AM
How many BPs has Roddick faced this tournament?

one :devil: against Rochus

Aerien
03-16-2007, 05:20 AM
Great. :yeah:

(Getting the match on delay but at least I know who will win. Rafa vs. Andy! )

Bremen
03-16-2007, 05:21 AM
Well hopefully he is good enough to beat Nadal in the semi...

idolwatcher1
03-16-2007, 05:21 AM
Way to go, Andy! :)

Regenbogen
03-16-2007, 05:21 AM
:woohoo:

Great match. Those tiebreaks were crazy.

kobulingam
03-16-2007, 05:21 AM
one :devil: against Rochus

So Nadal has to have a very high BP conversion rate to beat Roddick. Somthing like 2/2 (one in each set).

Loremaster
03-16-2007, 05:21 AM
What a turn-around. Last year, he couldn't win a TB if his life depended on it and now he can't lose them. :lol:

That's 5 for 5 in this tournament, so far.

even better he is 14-3 in TBS these season

sondraj06
03-16-2007, 05:21 AM
Roddick played amazing tennis there. Yeah I don't see rafa pulling this one out, why can't he beat fed arghh.

But they are pretty well matched up Ljubo and andy, their style of play is damn near identical.

rexman
03-16-2007, 05:22 AM
I thought both guys looked like idiots tactically. Ivan would hit short balls to Roddick's forehand off his own backhand, and Andy would do the opposite.

Nadal can beat Roddick here I think.

Voo de Mar
03-16-2007, 05:22 AM
How many BPs has Roddick faced this tournament?

0 in four matches. Good stats especially he has played 5 tie-breaks :yeah:

Deboogle!.
03-16-2007, 05:22 AM
Andy's returning this tournament is seriously :help:pathetic:help:

el_croata
03-16-2007, 05:22 AM
Loremaster, I got the feeling that you were waiting whole evening to make this post
congrats to duck - he's in good form
ljubo just played bad on his backhand until late in second set when he started hitting instead of just slicing
nice match though
hope duck kills nadal

martinatreue
03-16-2007, 05:22 AM
That was a well played match by both. Ivan tried a slice approach CROSSCOURT to lose the first set and then a dumb lob in the 2nd set TB. I think his feet were a bit tired on some of those shots.

tennisrocks123
03-16-2007, 05:23 AM
idk... i thought the match was boring, besides the tiebreaks.. I mean if that's Ljubicic playing "well",, then i think he sucks.. Definitely not aggressive enough, Andy didn't play so great either.

Sjengster
03-16-2007, 05:23 AM
Roddick third time in his career won two tie-breaks in a row against Ljubo. Their TB's H2H after this match: 8-4 A-Rod.
He saved one set point in the 1st TB and none in the second (wasted three match points, two on his own serve).

And of those eight tiebreaks, Roddick has won five of them by these scores:

10-8
12-10
9-7
9-7
10-8

Not to be outdone, three of Ljubicic's four tiebreak wins were:

13-11
13-11
11-9

mangoes
03-16-2007, 05:23 AM
Easily the best match of the tournament. Both played well but roddick played the tiebreaks just a tad bit better. Congrats, cant see him losing to Nadal.

There is the chance that Andy will have a slight letdown in the next match after playing such a quality match tonight. I really hope that doesn't happen. If he plays the way he did tonight, Andy will be going to the final.

Flibbertigibbet
03-16-2007, 05:24 AM
Good match, Roddick-Nadal's going to be electric.

Loremaster
03-16-2007, 05:24 AM
Loremaster, I got the feeling that you were waiting whole evening to make this post
congrats to duck - he's in good form
ljubo just played bad on his backhand until late in second set when he started hitting instead of just slicing
nice match though
hope duck kills nadal

yeah it is one of the best moment in my life to post this thread :angel:
Feels so great:angel:

Deboogle!.
03-16-2007, 05:25 AM
There is the chance that Andy will have a slight letdown in the next match after playing such a quality match tonight. I really hope that doesn't happen. If he plays the way he did tonight, Andy will be going to the final.I thought Andy played better against Gasquet than tonight :shrug:

Sjengster
03-16-2007, 05:26 AM
As noted above, their styles of play are remarkably similar, it's no wonder they've had such tight matches decided on long tiebreaks. Roddick has the bigger groundstroke weapon in the forehand, but both have a tendency to play quite passively with loopy shots, return averagely, sometimes look wooden at the net etc. Oh, and serve huge of course.

Jogy
03-16-2007, 05:26 AM
haha and again Ljubi goes down like a bitch to Roddick and again could not break the Duck's serve and could not even get himself a break point in couple of chances or get returning points when his life depends on :lol:

great match Roddick, but if you have no returning points, you can't win tiebreaks Ljubicic ;)

only serve is not enough for Ljubicic ;) :p

Marek.
03-16-2007, 05:26 AM
Roddick played amazing tennis there. Yeah I don't see rafa pulling this one out, why can't he beat fed arghh.

:confused:

Fergie
03-16-2007, 05:26 AM
Very good match ... Congrats Andy and nice try Ivan :yeah:

Grinder
03-16-2007, 05:26 AM
Nice job Andy, a win's a win. Now take it to Rafa! Oh man, I've been waiting to see this match since 05. :woohoo:

TMJordan
03-16-2007, 05:27 AM
Great match :yeah:

Kitty de Sade
03-16-2007, 05:27 AM
Great match from both players- only a couple of points decided it. Andy is in winning form. Nadal will have his work cut out for him to say the least.

Roddick/Nadal SF....:yeah:

el_croata
03-16-2007, 05:27 AM
yeah it is one of the best moment in my life to post this thread :angel:
Feels so great:angel:

ok, take the duck with you in the bed then
don't hurt him too much

sondraj06
03-16-2007, 05:28 AM
It posts like "I hope andy kills him" that make me so forth right about my desire for rafa to win, just to piss off the masses. It really takes away the joy I have for another player. Where I might actually be happen to see Rod win because I do like him I come here and it all turns into "rafa kill him", just because people want you to fail so bad. Oh, mtf is such a great place for positive vibes.

Veronique
03-16-2007, 05:28 AM
I'm glad to know I'm not the only one who thought this was a high quality match. I was so proud of Andy for hanging in the rallies with Ljubo and winning his fair share of those.

GlennMirnyi
03-16-2007, 05:29 AM
Playing like this Roddick will be an easy pray for Nadal.

Veronique
03-16-2007, 05:29 AM
Good match, Roddick-Nadal's going to be electric.

I dread that one. The only upside is that 1 of my favs is going to make the final.

Pfloyd
03-16-2007, 05:29 AM
Playing like this Roddick will be an easy pray for Nadal.

You think so?

starr_00
03-16-2007, 05:30 AM
That was a really fun, tense match to watch.
Kudos to both players. The crowd was great as well.

I'm psyched to see the Roddick/Nadal semi... it'll be interesting to see how this one turns out.
I was live at their matchup in 2004 at the US Open, and Roddick made Nadal look like a junior. I'm interested to see how they matchup now that Rafa has come into his own.

RickDaStick
03-16-2007, 05:30 AM
On a side note, did anyone noticed today who watched nadal-chela on espn that cahill kept calling chela, chelar. It was annoying as hell.

GlennMirnyi
03-16-2007, 05:32 AM
You think so?

From the baseline Roddick couldn't beat Ljubicic. Then when he went to the net he was lobbed, passed everyway someone can possibly do it.

Deboogle!.
03-16-2007, 05:33 AM
Playing like this Roddick will be an easy pray for Nadal.I agree. Andy was horrific, especially on the return and approach. I dunno why everyone's saying it was such a great match :shrug:

GlennMirnyi
03-16-2007, 05:35 AM
I agree. Andy was horrific, especially on the return and approach. I dunno why everyone's saying it was such a great match :shrug:

It was a close match, that's for sure.

About everyone, well, some 80% posting here have no idea about tennis whatsoever, so... they could say it was an awful match too (it wasn't, by the way... probably more about a regular to good match).

sondraj06
03-16-2007, 05:36 AM
Maybe the people who enjoyed the match respect the fight in a tennis player more. Not everything is about pretty shots that look like you put no effort into winning the point. This is a sport after all, it should take effort.

I love a fighter that's why I am a nadal fan. And can appreciate the will it takes to get the ball back in play and pull out a win no matter what. And I think people who saw this match, saw that, especially in Andy.

sawan66278
03-16-2007, 05:36 AM
The two key questions:

1. Will Andy serve a high percentage of first serves in?
2. Will Rafa be able to return the first serve and start the rally?

If Rafa can get into the point, the advantage will be his almost every time...but first strike advantage goes to Andy...

nobama
03-16-2007, 05:36 AM
I agree. Andy was horrific, especially on the return and approach. I dunno why everyone's saying it was such a great match :shrug:PMac and Cliffy seemed to be impressed. What I'm waiting to see is how Roddick will handle Nadal's slow play and stall tactics.

Action Jackson
03-16-2007, 05:36 AM
Tennis was the winner.

celia
03-16-2007, 05:36 AM
Closer score than I expected but nice win Anday!!!!!!

guga2120
03-16-2007, 05:37 AM
About everyone, well, some 80% posting here have no idea about tennis whatsoever, so... your in there, Agassi and Sampras wasn't a rivalry.

el_croata
03-16-2007, 05:38 AM
Tennis was the winner.

agree
some great points were played

Veronique
03-16-2007, 05:38 AM
I agree. Andy was horrific, especially on the return and approach. I dunno why everyone's saying it was such a great match :shrug:

And I'm so glad to know I'm in the majority. :nerner:

sondraj06
03-16-2007, 05:38 AM
PMac and Cliffy seemed to be impressed. What I'm waiting to see is how Roddick will handle Nadal's slow play and stall tactics.

He'll have a fit, which he is quite known for. Oh this will be a match to remember, definitely

GlennMirnyi
03-16-2007, 05:38 AM
Maybe the people who enjoyed the match respect the fight in a tennis player more. Not everything is about pretty shots that look like you put no effort into winning the point. This is a sport after all, it should take effort.

I love a fighter that's why I am a nadal fan. And can appreciate the will it takes to get the ball back in play and pull out a win no matter what. And I think people who saw this match, saw that, especially in Andy.

Nobody cares about you think. :) :wavey:

RickDaStick
03-16-2007, 05:39 AM
Imagine this match pre tiebreak era :eek:

tripb19
03-16-2007, 05:39 AM
Best match of the tournament ?!?!! WTF

The rallies were in slow motion :haha: The better server won, it was funny trying to watch them pass each other at the net. :spit:

I think Nadal will end Roddick :p

GlennMirnyi
03-16-2007, 05:40 AM
Imagine this match pre tiebreak era :eek:

Ljubo would win.

Best match of the tournament ?!?!! WTF

The rallies were in slow motion :haha: The better server won, it was funny trying to watch them pass each other at the new. :spit:

Ljubicic is the better server. Roddick grinded the match on Ljubo's mistakes.

Deboogle!.
03-16-2007, 05:41 AM
It was a close match, that's for sure.

About everyone, well, some 80% posting here have no idea about tennis whatsoever, so... they could say it was an awful match too (it wasn't, by the way... probably more about a regular to good match).It was close. It wasn't awful, but I'd call it very average, at least from Andy. I thought Andy was down right bad at times. I think he palyed much more solidly and completely against Gasquet. Just my opinion and I tend to be overcritical about his game anyway, but at the end of the day he got the job done and that's all he can ask of himself.

sondraj06
03-16-2007, 05:41 AM
Best match of the tournament ?!?!! WTF

The rallies were in slow motion :haha: The better server won, it was funny trying to watch them pass each other at the new. :spit:

I think Nadal will end Roddick :p

I'm glad some one thinks so, I'm not so sure anymore. I'm a nervous fan

Veronique
03-16-2007, 05:42 AM
Ljubo would win.



Ljubicic is the better server. Roddick grinded the match on Ljubo's mistakes.

Too funny! Ljubo didn't even sniffle a single bp while at least had a few.

tripb19
03-16-2007, 05:43 AM
Ljubicic is the better server. Roddick grinded the match on Ljubo's mistakes.

Sorry, I didn't mean server as in tonight's match, you are right on that point; I meant that these players are both one trick pony servers, and Roddick was better tonight.

GlennMirnyi
03-16-2007, 05:44 AM
Too funny! Ljubo didn't even sniffle a single bp while at least had a few.

Roddick had BPs in just one game of Ljubo's serve. Then I don't think he got to deuce anymore. Ljubo got to deuce at least 4 times.

Voo de Mar
03-16-2007, 05:44 AM
I thought tonight was a better match from Andy.

It's tough to compare match against Gasquet with this one. Gasquet and Ljubicic are two different kind of players. Matches between A-Rod and Ljubo have been own options. Who plays better tie-breaks is a winner...

RickDaStick
03-16-2007, 05:44 AM
Too funny! Ljubo didn't even sniffle a single bp while at least had a few.

Not that it matters but Ljubo did win 1 more point on return than roddick.

Veronique
03-16-2007, 05:45 AM
Not that it matters but Ljubo did win 1 more point on return than roddick.

Hehe I saw that. He got 1 more winner while they both had the same # of UEs. Andy played better when it mattered.

GlennMirnyi
03-16-2007, 05:45 AM
It's tough to compare match against Gasquet with this one. Gasquet and Ljubicic are two different kind of players.

For sure. Gasquet was basically outclassing Roddick from the baseline, not trying to outserve him (he can't, anyway). The problem with Gasquet is that his head is filled with air, or something like that, not with brains.

MaryWalsh
03-16-2007, 05:51 AM
I couldn't watch the match but thanks to some people here I got a good play-by-play. What struck me was how both players hung in and gave away very little over the course of 2 sets, both stayed focused. A shot might go haywire but both refocused on their next shot.

Nadal of course will bring a different game with his lefty topspin. I really look forward to seeing him play Andy--Mr Slow versus Mr Fast. I hope it is a great match!

TennisLurker
03-16-2007, 05:52 AM
Both Roddick and Ljubo looked quite inoffensive during rallies to me, just getting the ball to the other side of the net afraid of losing the point.
Andy did in my opinion much more in his match against Gasquet.

Rafa is not going to break himself making unforced errors.

I think there will be some tie breaks in the Rafa Andy match, but I give Rafa the edge.

sondraj06
03-16-2007, 05:55 AM
I hope people are right, the way rafa has been double faulting and ueing lately has me thinking he aint gone have too many chances to break Roddicks serve and Roddick will bask in the break points.

So in the words of my fav player- we gonna see, no

Veronique
03-16-2007, 05:57 AM
Roddick had BPs in just one game of Ljubo's serve. Then I don't think he got to deuce anymore. Ljubo got to deuce at least 4 times.

So? Andy had a few chances to break while Ljubo had 0.

laure xxx
03-16-2007, 05:59 AM
From the baseline Roddick couldn't beat Ljubicic. Then when he went to the net he was lobbed, passed everyway someone can possibly do it.

Um, if that was the case, how could he have won. I'm watching the match now and I see none of that...

GlennMirnyi
03-16-2007, 06:00 AM
So? Andy had a few chances to break while Ljubo had 0.

None of them converted. Ljubo won more points receiving. That means he was gettin' closer than Roddick, that only had chances in one game.

ChinoRios4Ever
03-16-2007, 06:01 AM
what a close match...

nice finish :bounce:

andy :yeah:

GlennMirnyi
03-16-2007, 06:01 AM
Um, if that was the case, how could he have won. I'm watching the match now and I see none of that...

Roddick won the important points.

Are you watching the right match, by the way? :lol:

Veronique
03-16-2007, 06:01 AM
Both Roddick and Ljubo looked quite inoffensive during rallies to me, just getting the ball to the other side of the net afraid of losing the point.
Andy did in my opinion much more in his match against Gasquet.

Rafa is not going to break himself making unforced errors.

I think there will be some tie breaks in the Rafa Andy match, but I give Rafa the edge.

Rafa had 31 UEs earlier today against Chela.

BigAlbinoDonky
03-16-2007, 06:01 AM
It was a good match considering that Roddick and Ljubicic have 2 of the Top 5 serves on tour, and neither are good returners. It could have been much worse. Roddick played sloppy but made it work on the big points, his tiebreak record this year is pretty impressive. It has to be great for his confidence. Can't wait to see Roddick/Nadal....I don't think Nadal has a good enough serve or return of serve to trouble Roddick if he's playing on form. We shall see though.

laure xxx
03-16-2007, 06:06 AM
Roddick won the important points.

Are you watching the right match, by the way? :lol:

:)

Yes, I am. Of course Andy gets passed, it happens all the time. but I think you were exaggerating quite a bit. You obviously have a bias against Roddick, but that's ok.

sondraj06
03-16-2007, 06:07 AM
It wasn't even point construction; as you said it was just waiting for an error and each guy fearing that he'd be the one to make it.

And congrats to Andy on a tight win. :D

I just told my mom I was nervous about this match up because I don't see rafa making any ground with roddick serve. But the only thing that rafa has that can murder Roddick is his shot making. When he is on and feeling his forehand, his shots are amazing. He might run Rod all over that court but he can only do that when he takes control of the rally and that is a big if with rafa.

So this is why I'm nervous, I have no doubt rafa could when, it's just a lot of what he has to win with is very dependent on if he does this or that. And he is very inconsistent these days.

TennisLurker
03-16-2007, 06:07 AM
Pretty much. The rallies were driving me crazy - it seemed that if the point didn't end after several shots they both retreated into a very passive rallying mode, especially on the bigger points. It wasn't even point construction; as you said it was just waiting for an error and each guy fearing that he'd be the one to make it.

And congrats to Andy on a tight win. :D

That reminded me of a rally on match point in the fifth set, played by Becker and Lendl, in the year ending masters, it was endless, both players afraid of losing the point, Becker finally won when the ball touched the net and fell on the other side.

Voo de Mar
03-16-2007, 06:11 AM
Another stats: Roddick won 10th time match 7-6 7-6 (twice against Ljubo).

nkhera1
03-16-2007, 06:13 AM
Roddick's forehand is lacking these days. Some of these rallies made it seem as if they were playing on clay. Both players were horrible at the net as Roddick would come in behind horrible approach shots. Roddick's backhand has come a long way though. It won't win him many points, but at least its not losing that many either. Hopefully he can pick it up a level in the next round and not have to rely on winning tiebreakers.

Marek.
03-16-2007, 06:15 AM
His forehand was working a lot better against Gasquet. He'll need to find that one by the time he plays Nadal.

sawan66278
03-16-2007, 06:15 AM
Tennislurker...as a Lendl fan, I'll NEVER forget that shot on match point that dropped over the net...oh the pain...and Lendl served for the match, but was broken...:sad:

TennisLurker
03-16-2007, 06:19 AM
Tennislurker...as a Lendl fan, I'll NEVER forget that shot on match point that dropped over the net...oh the pain...and Lendl served for the match, but was broken...:sad:


Almost as bad was him losing the next year to Boris at wimbledon when he was so close to making the finals (and Edberg played quite bad that year)

Even tough he achieved a lot, I think Lendl is a underachiever.

Mechlan
03-16-2007, 06:21 AM
I can only imagine that the heavy conditions contributed to the lack of offensiveness from both of them. Looked like the ball was traveling painfully slowly out there and neither of them really favor the moonball strategy. Really, the match turned on a few points. Andy should have put that first set away earlier, but besides that can't think anyone's surprised this went to 2 tiebreaks.

Hope to see a good one against Nadal. Fully expect Roddick to raise his level. He'll certainly have a better shot on the return game (granted he'll need to return better), but I'd also expect Nadal to hit through a bit more than Ljubo today based on his match against Chela. Should be fun.

Action Jackson
03-16-2007, 06:24 AM
Almost as bad was him losing the next year to Boris at wimbledon when he was so close to making the finals (and Edberg played quite bad that year)

Even tough he achieved a lot, I think Lendl is a underachiever.

I think you are a bit harsh on Lendl calling him an underachiever apart from Petty Cash at Wimbeldon, he didn't lose to woodducks in the GS finals.

That reminded me of a rally on match point in the fifth set, played by Becker and Lendl, in the year ending masters, it was endless, both players afraid of losing the point, Becker finally won when the ball touched the net and fell on the other side.

A lucky net cord on a vital point where we play is known as a Boris for that reason.

maf
03-16-2007, 07:09 AM
I'm sorry but I can't understand how some people say roddick is gonna destroy nadal. Surely he can serve but, on any second serve he will lose because tonight I saw rallies that looked more of a badminton match then tennis. Plus roddick got passed at the net by ljubo, how can one expect him not to look ridiculous against nadal. And even if he does serve like a beast I don't see him winning tiebreaks.

I think people are overexcited because it was a close and entertaining match ( which is quite impressive indeed between such boring players), but in no way was it high class tennis, yesterday's match between gonzo and haas for example was technically far superior, no comparison. Haas would roast nadal at the moment, but i don't see roddick hurting him based on tonight's performance.

Björki
03-16-2007, 07:18 AM
well done Andy :)

General Suburbia
03-16-2007, 07:20 AM
He still sucks ass at net. Gotta do better with those approach shots.

Strangelove
03-16-2007, 07:24 AM
I'm sorry but I can't understand how some people say roddick is gonna destroy nadal
As much as I would like for Andy to rip Nadal, I have to agree with this.
I have very faint hopes for mr. Roddick. He'll get destroyed in the rallies :sad:

Apemant
03-16-2007, 07:28 AM
Sadly, I couldn't watch the match, and frankly, you guys here don't really give me a good idea of what it was like, so I have to guess by several remarks and the scoreline.


I see some people complaining it was not a good match and that they were looking passive after a point didn't finish in 3 strokes. And then worrying what will Andy look like vs. Nadal.

Just think. They both have awesome serves, and not so good returns. So what is more natural than that they are both afraid of each other's serve? And such fear translates into mutual caution whenever there is a hint of getting a chance to break. It just can't look other way when they are playing each other. But I guess Andy vs. Rafa will be a whole lot different match.

BTW, I see some Ducktards are almost disappointed that this wasn't exactly a comfortable match for Andy, but hanged on a few balls here and there. To them, I have only one suggestion: start respecting Ljubo more, and then this win will suddenly increase in value. Easy, eh? :devil:

Adler
03-16-2007, 07:30 AM
THe result of Nadal-Roddick match depends only on Nadal's game in eventual TBs

Apemant
03-16-2007, 07:39 AM
As much as I would like for Andy to rip Nadal, I have to agree with this.
I have very faint hopes for mr. Roddick. He'll get destroyed in the rallies :sad:

I don't see why would he. Chela managed to hang in there with Nadal, and Roddick's FH is far more powerful than Chela's. If it's on, I can easily see some rallies won by Andy ... and a whole truckload of unreturnables. :devil:

So, the match will depend on how good Andy uses his FH. Nadal will surely give him a lot of high bouncing balls which he is quite certainly capable of killing off. It's just a question of whether he manages to actually do it with any sort of consistency.

zicofirol
03-16-2007, 07:53 AM
lubijic showed why he hasnt won any major event, in important points, aside from that MP save where roddick mishit the volley/smash lubijic played almost all important points conservatively, playing not to lost the point instead of trying to win, roddick played them better that is why he won, Roddick should now get to the final...

ranaldo
03-16-2007, 08:41 AM
Best chance for Andy take it to a TB, and avoid Rafa's forehand.

jazar
03-16-2007, 08:47 AM
close match

RonE
03-16-2007, 09:26 AM
Playing like this Roddick will be an easy pray for Nadal.

Yup. Nadal will whip Roddick no doubt.

Still, nice performance Andy- reaching his personal best in this tournament :hatoff:

VAMOS RAFA!!!! :rocker2:

Horatio Caine
03-16-2007, 10:38 AM
Congrats, cant see him losing to Nadal.

Ooooh I bet it hurt to say that :devil:

Horatio Caine
03-16-2007, 10:39 AM
Closer than I expected, but you can never rule the bald man out. Well done Ljubo for making it an entertaining match, apparently, and a nice for Andy there. Hopefully he makes the final. :yeah:

vamosnadal
03-16-2007, 10:39 AM
I don't see why would he. Chela managed to hang in there with Nadal, and Roddick's FH is far more powerful than Chela's. If it's on, I can easily see some rallies won by Andy ... and a whole truckload of unreturnables. :devil:

So, the match will depend on how good Andy uses his FH. Nadal will surely give him a lot of high bouncing balls which he is quite certainly capable of killing off. It's just a question of whether he manages to actually do it with any sort of consistency.

Chela managed to hang in with Nadal firstly because Rafa was nowhere near playing his best tennis for large chunks of the match and also because he is used to playing the clay-style rallies which Nadal was delivering. Roddick isn't used to the 'high bouncing balls' when they are played deep to the back of the court nor is he as good at handling them and he could potentially really struggle when these are aimed at his backhand side. In fact I think Roddick will find it just as difficult to fire his backhand as Nadal will find it to return Roddick's serve and who adapts better to these things will be the key to the match.

Some people are saying that Roddick will murder Nadal's serve, but I don't agree at all. Nadal's serve was rubbish today for some reason, but usually it's so deceptive and has been troubling a lot of players - even Agassi once said it was a very difficult serve to return. Roddick admits himself he isn't the greatest returner in the world and he has been struggling with this all week. Again, serves kicked out to his backhand with spin may be difficult for Roddick to get to grips with.

There will of course be many features of Andy's game which Nadal will equally struggle with, especially if Roddick starts to serve and volley which I suspect he will. Roddick has been playing great all week and Nadal needs to be at his best to beat him. If Rafa manages to find his best form I think I'm going to predict a narrow Nadal win as I think Roddick will struggle in the rallies which coiuld potentialy effect his confidence and therefore his serve. I just think it's a bad match-up for Roddick.

I cannot wait to see this match!!

adee-gee
03-16-2007, 10:45 AM
Roddick sucks apparently :confused:

Kolya
03-16-2007, 11:03 AM
Unlucky Ljubo.

OddJob
03-16-2007, 11:03 AM
Grats Andy!!!!!

Next time make those forehand passing shots!

Apemant
03-16-2007, 11:05 AM
VAMOS RAFA!!!! :rocker2:

:haha:

Never thought I'm gonna see this :)

gebl
03-16-2007, 11:21 AM
VAMOS RAFA!!!! :rocker2:

The contrast between this and RonE's signature and avatar is reminiscent of the Cretan who said that all Cretans are liars.

richie21
03-16-2007, 12:34 PM
For sure. Gasquet was basically outclassing Roddick from the baseline, not trying to outserve him (he can't, anyway). The problem with Gasquet is that his head is filled with air, or something like that, not with brains.


nope,you are missing the point.
Gasquet's main problems are his forehand and his serve......
if he fixes those 2 shots(especially his forehand),i've little doubt he'll become a threat to Federer ,let alone to the other top 10 players.

Neely
03-16-2007, 12:46 PM
Congrats for Andy to come throught in this close match! But I think he played two strong tiebreaks!


lol, I had to laugh when I read that people consider 1 more won return point in a match with two tiebreaks a significant difference for anything, 24/90(27%) vs 23/84 (27%) :lol: Not that it matters, but if anything, I certainly like the "Ljubo got a more times closer on Andy's serve while Andy only was really close in one game" approach better.

Klaas_nalbandian
03-16-2007, 12:50 PM
well done andy, i rather saw nalby in this match but at least ljubo is out now

Blue Heart24
03-16-2007, 01:39 PM
:sad: :sad: :sad: :sad:

I was so sad....Ivan played a very good match and losing like this because of 2,3 points is painful.I'm satisfied with the fact he started to win these close matches recently,but of course I'm sad because of this one cause,I think if he would won he would win the title...He is serving and playing very well,and Roddick was the last and only big server left in this tournament,and we know Ivan has most of the problems when he's playing his fellow big servers...

Deathless Mortal
03-16-2007, 01:55 PM
Congrats to Roddick for winning that important points :yeah: Too bad for Ljubo, he had his chances in TBs, set point in first TB and lost second TB 10-8. :sad: Hopefully Ljubo can play even better in Miami than he did here, and repeat last year's final. Good luck Ljubo :yeah:

Golfnduck
03-16-2007, 02:18 PM
Great match to watch. I was impressed with how both players were hitting the ball. Good job Andy :bigclap:

Corey Feldman
03-16-2007, 02:21 PM
:rolls: :rolls: thanks for the laughs Ljubo........... face it, Roddick owns you now

loll
:sad: :sad: :sad:I was so sad....Ivan played a very good match and losing like this because of 2,3 points is painful.I'm satisfied with the fact he started to win these close matches recently,but of course I'm sad because of this one cause,I think if he would won he would win the title...He is serving and playing very well,and Roddick was the last and only big server left in this tournament,and we know Ivan has most of the problems when he's playing his fellow big servers...:lol:
yeah... you, IvanLjubicic and the other ljubotards must be having very sore asses this morning......... wasnt he gonna beat the duck and win Indian Wells ???

now you can support Muzza.. i mean, he is still in the tournament

:haha:

Deathless Mortal
03-16-2007, 02:24 PM
:rolls: :rolls: thanks for the laughs Ljubo........... face it, Roddick owns you now

loll
:lol:
yeah... you, IvanLjubicic and the other ljubotards must be having very sore asses this morning......... wasnt he gonna beat the duck and win Indian Wells ???

now you can support Muzza.. i mean, he is still in the tournament

:haha:

:haha: Muzza is in the tournament because of the schedule. :lol: Ljubo lost in the quarters, and Muzza plays quarters one day after Ljubo :lol:

Corey Feldman
03-16-2007, 02:30 PM
Exactly, all the more reason to support him....
at least he knows how to beat Roddick unlike old Kojak
:lol:

Corey Feldman
03-16-2007, 02:30 PM
Ivan 'Kojak' Ljubicic

:haha:

Deathless Mortal
03-16-2007, 02:33 PM
They both defeated Roddick 3 times. And don't mention that Ljubo played 10 times, and Murray 5 against Roddick coz we were talking about beating Roddick ;)

DDrago2
03-16-2007, 02:34 PM
Reading many comments I think how it's funny people forget Roddick is actualy 2nd best player of his generation... if there wasn't for FEderer he would gave 5 GS titles or so already. People almost equate Roddick with Ljubicic, Blake, Nalbandian... who all achieved far less then him. Roddick deserves more respect on this place, comments like "Roddick was pathetic" after actualy winning the match against a top 10 player without facing a BP are totaly unecesary (compare that with comments on Nadal's wins... "it's only important he won")

Roddick must be in good form since he is winning so convincingly, you just wonder is it going to be like that against Rafa?

sondraj06
03-16-2007, 02:59 PM
Reading many comments I think how it's funny people forget Roddick is actualy 2nd best player of his generation... if there wasn't for FEderer he would gave 5 GS titles or so already. People almost equate Roddick with Ljubicic, Blake, Nalbandian... who all achieved far less then him. Roddick deserves more respect on this place, comments like "Roddick was pathetic" after actualy winning the match against a top 10 player without facing a BP are totaly unecesary (compare that with comments on Nadal's wins... "it's only important he won")

Roddick must be in good form since he is winning so convincingly, you just wonder is it going to be like that against Rafa?

Um I don't know, I'm not down on andy because I like the guy and his game. especially since he has been with connors. And it's not until i come here and people start tearing apart his game that I see any real need for damage control. But I don't think he has accomplished a great deal as yet, and can definitely do more. I'm actually excited to see where he takes his career in the next 2 to 3 years.

kobulingam
03-16-2007, 03:02 PM
Reading many comments I think how it's funny people forget Roddick is actualy 2nd best player of his generation... if there wasn't for FEderer he would gave 5 GS titles or so already. People almost equate Roddick with Ljubicic, Blake, Nalbandian... who all achieved far less then him. Roddick deserves more respect on this place, comments like "Roddick was pathetic" after actualy winning the match against a top 10 player without facing a BP are totaly unecesary (compare that with comments on Nadal's wins... "it's only important he won")

Roddick must be in good form since he is winning so convincingly, you just wonder is it going to be like that against Rafa?

Yeah, 5 at least. Had he won those 3 wimbledons he could have had much better motivation, confidence and win more slams.

Fumus
03-16-2007, 03:03 PM
Roddick couldn't hit an easy passing shot to save his life in the first set. Had he nailed 1 of the 2 opportunities he had for an easy passing shot, the first set tie-break could have been avoided. Then in the second set, Andy chocked on the first mp, hitting a normal rally forehand a country mile long...the next mp Andy mis-hits a volley that was going out, LLubo scurries and hits the easy pass. On the third mp, Andy shows his improved returning skills on the bh side, Llubo stunned by the depth and the power, doesn't move back and hits the ball out.

Synopsis of the match: Andy played a very patient game from the baseline, the backhand is much improved. Andy played a very interesting tactic and drew Ivan in with short chip slices. I think he took a page out of mister Federer's book there, Andy seemed very comfortable with this play I hope he employs in the future. The forehand is improving to getting back to where it used to be on Roddick, he's hitting it with more conviction, and really slamming it when he gets a chance, that's something that has been missing since 04'. Finally, I hate to end the synopsis negatively but Andy showed that he's not yet completely confident because he failed to convert on any of the mps he had on his serve in the tb(the confident Andy Roddick of old certainly would not do that), +hit easy passes in the first set for breaks, if he plans on getting odd wins over Federer and the other best players in the world this part of his game will need to be ironed out. Andy literally forced himself to win that match 3 times last night, that's two more chances than Roger Federer will likely ever give you.

ezekiel
03-16-2007, 03:56 PM
Yeah, 5 at least. Had he won those 3 wimbledons he could have had much better motivation, confidence and win more slams.

this logic is flawed, he could have none if Roger was serious back then

GlennMirnyi
03-16-2007, 04:34 PM
nope,you are missing the point.
Gasquet's main problems are his forehand and his serve......
if he fixes those 2 shots(especially his forehand),i've little doubt he'll become a threat to Federer ,let alone to the other top 10 players.

Wake up. Even though he has a weak serve, what makes him lose matches against top players is having the mental fortitude of Blake.

tangerine_dream
03-16-2007, 04:57 PM
I agree. Andy was horrific, especially on the return and approach. I dunno why everyone's saying it was such a great match :shrug:
I think maybe some thought it was great because it was so close and tense, with the TBs and all. :shrug: It was a good match, not the best. Ivan played better than Andy for the most part but Andy played the bigger points better.

If Andy goes into his SF playing like this he will definitely lose to Rafa. He's going to have to serve really big and he's got to jump all over Rafa's serve, which he didn't do vs Ljubicic. Rafa will kill him from the baseline.

Regarding Rafa's "stalling tactics" Andy may open his mouth about it, but he can't beat what Andre did, actually pulling up a seat waiting for Rafa to serve. :haha:

BlackSilver
03-16-2007, 05:21 PM
One of the worst passing shots performance that I ever saw in my life from Roddick

Apemant
03-16-2007, 05:48 PM
I think maybe some thought it was great because it was so close and tense, with the TBs and all. :shrug: It was a good match, not the best. Ivan played better than Andy for the most part but Andy played the bigger points better.

I am not seeing this :eek:
Tangy actually saying Ivan played better, except on big points? This has to be some hallucination... :)

If Andy goes into his SF playing like this he will definitely lose to Rafa. He's going to have to serve really big and he's got to jump all over Rafa's serve, which he didn't do vs Ljubicic. Rafa will kill him from the baseline.

You do realize Nadal's 2nd serve doesn't actually compare to Ljubo's 2nd heavy topspin kick serve? You don't just jump on it any time you fancy (if you aren't Nalbandian or Murray I mean)! But Andy nevertheless won more than 50% of those 2nd serves. So I really don't see why he should have trouble attacking Rafa's 2nd serve. (Of course, attacking itself may not be enough to win a point...)

The trouble with Rafa is that he can return almost any attack in a rally; so playing him requires a great deal of patience, more than anything else. DON'T come in for the finishing shot if you aren't positive you can kill the ball outright; else he will catch it and hit some crazy corner as he did a number of times vs. Chela. It's actually more sound to just play it safe, but deep enough so he can't spin his FH behind the net which bounces wide to your BH side, right into the audience.

I actually believe Ljubo would do better against Nadal than A-Rod, as he has a pretty good backhand drive which would somewhat reduce the effect of Rafa's aforementioned dangerous short CC FH. But in any case, either match would be hard to predict, it's a clash of totally different styles, like in an ultimate fight match: a kick-boxer versus a wrestler. :devil:

tangerine_dream
03-16-2007, 06:05 PM
I am not seeing this :eek:
Tangy actually saying Ivan played better, except on big points? This has to be some hallucination... :)
I may be a ducktard but I'm not blind. And it just illustrates the difference between a true top ten player like Andy and a wannabe like Ivan. :p

The trouble with Rafa is that he can return almost any attack in a rally; so playing him requires a great deal of patience, more than anything else.
Patience is something else Roddick lacks which is one reason why Nadal will kill him from the baseline. Rafa can hit all day long, Andy can't. His only choice is to shorten the points and come in, which is still dangerous because his net game isn't all that great and Rafa can pass very well. But it's better than wasting gas on the baseline of which he will only end up losing the point. He has a better chance of forcing errors from Nadal at the net.

And I know people in GM like to make a big deal out of someone outaceing Roddick so here's the stats, Ljubicic did so again last night. And he still lost. Hee!

Apemant
03-16-2007, 06:47 PM
I may be a ducktard but I'm not blind. And it just illustrates the difference between a true top ten player like Andy and a wannabe like Ivan. :p

Now you're downplaying them both. Ljubo IS a top 10 player, not just a wannabe. 17 months is far too long to be a fluke. So the difference between them is outlined better with the fact that Roddick managed to get to #1, while Ljubo had to settle for #3 as his personal best... and can't really see him getting any higher than that. :sad:


Patience is something else Roddick lacks which is one reason why Nadal will kill him from the baseline. Rafa can hit all day long, Andy can't.

True, but Rafa's style isn't to kill someone from the baseline, it's more like letting them commit suicide. :devil:
And it's not like Rafa can't hit an UE either. On the contrary, if you consistently give him deep balls with lots of pace he WILL UE them eventually. Not saying it is easy to pull off, but people have proven it to be possible.

And I know people in GM like to make a big deal out of someone outaceing Roddick so here's the stats, Ljubicic did so again last night. And he still lost. Hee!

Like you said, Andy played the big points better.
As for myself, I don't make a BIG DEAL out of someone outaceing Andy. Tennis is not just serve, Roddick is not just serve and Ljubo is not just serve. Heck, even Karlovic is not just serve as he has decent volleys too.
I'm just making a big deal out of it when someone claims with absolute certainty that Andy's serve is clearly better than Ljubo's. Well, less aces and less % of 1st serves won clearly suggest the opposite, right? As Ljubo is no better returner of 1st serves than Andy.

Luka Matic
03-16-2007, 06:49 PM
C'mon Andy! Win it man :bounce:

ljubicic_
03-16-2007, 07:27 PM
i didn't watch the match but after seeing the score it is clear that the match could have gone eitherway but Roddick was on the important points a little bit bether so it's not a shame to lose with that score to a higher seed player

well done A-Rod, win the tournemant now, than i can say that he lost to a champion

tennismaster882001
03-16-2007, 11:04 PM
Congrats to Roddick, he was obviously slightly better player this time, good luck against Nadal!

Voo de Mar
03-16-2007, 11:57 PM
It was 491st singles match for both players (in the main tour): Roddick is now 374-117 (76 %), Ljubicic 297-194 (60 %).