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Nadal beats Chela 7-5, 7-5

Rafa = Fed Killa
03-15-2007, 11:22 PM
Vamos RAFA!

Probably Roddick next. A matchup 2 years in the making.

cmurray
03-15-2007, 11:23 PM
A little patchy in spots, but Rafa played well when he had to. VERY crisp at the end of both sets.

Had a lot of UEs though - not a particularly pretty match really from either player.

Deathless Mortal
03-15-2007, 11:24 PM
Yeah, bad match. Chela had a 4-1 lead in second set.

uglyamerican
03-15-2007, 11:25 PM
Nadal is growing on me. Still get upset when he takes so much time between points. I see him hitting more different kinds of shots these days.

Tom Paulman
03-15-2007, 11:25 PM
It's Roddick's turn now. I hope he won't ruin it.

Tom Paulman
03-15-2007, 11:25 PM
Oh yes and congrats Rafa

Voo de Mar
03-15-2007, 11:25 PM
Chela = Mr. QF
He lost all his seven quarterfinals in Masters Series or Grand Slam:

Miami 2002, Rios 6-7(0) 2-6
Monte Carlo 2003, Coria 1-6 1-6
Madrid 2003, Massu 7-6(5) 4-6 4-6
Indian Wells 2004, Federer 2-6 1-6
Roland Garros 2004, Henman 2-6 4-6 4-6
Hamburg 2005, C.Rochus 6-3 0-6 3-6 :help:
Indian Wells 2007, Nadal 5-7 5-7

Vamos Rafa#1
03-15-2007, 11:26 PM
Good job Rafa :yeah:

sondraj06
03-15-2007, 11:27 PM
Oh please that was beautiful tennis from rafa, like I said he is trying to improve his tennis so of course there are going to be some mistakes more than he is used to than when he plays his old style. but when he gets used to this type of play he will be amazing.

PoderShileno
03-15-2007, 11:28 PM
expected win

GO rafa¡¡¡

t0x
03-15-2007, 11:29 PM
Unconvincing from Nadal.... but he did enough to get the win and that's what counts.

Had Chela been even half competent at the net, this could of been a different affair. How many easy volleys did Chela miss?

RickDaStick
03-15-2007, 11:29 PM
Chela showed us why he has a respectable ranking but will never go much higher. Cant get 1st serves in consistently, looks worse than a 7 year old when trying to volley and no real weapons to hurt the top players.

BlakeorHenman
03-15-2007, 11:29 PM
Bring on Nadal v Roddick!!!

Metis
03-15-2007, 11:30 PM
It wasn't pretty to watch most of the time but Nadal raised his level when it mattered and hit some great shots at times. The SF against Roddick (most likely) should be nteresting :)

tangerine_dream
03-15-2007, 11:30 PM
Rafa :yeah:

Your turn, Andy. Don't screw up. :armed:

sondraj06
03-15-2007, 11:30 PM
The only and I mean only problem I see rafa having with Roddick is his serve because he has such a problem with his return of serve. But Roddick is pretty much even still a one dimensional player. He is just not comfortable at the net, and if rafa plays the net the same way he did today, make less errors and get his return of serve together it is his to win.

sondraj06
03-15-2007, 11:33 PM
:bs:How come whenever rafa wins all of a sudden the player is crap or played like crap. Rafa worked him and the breaks that he did get rafa gave to him with 5 double faults and eus. I wonder what the hell would be a convincing win from rafa for some of you all.

Kitty de Sade
03-15-2007, 11:33 PM
Good effort from Rafa to get through. Not picture perfect by any stretch, but he looked a lot better than he has in previous tournaments.

Looking forward to a Nadal/Roddick (most likely?) match up. :yeah:

BlackSilver
03-15-2007, 11:34 PM
looks worse than a 7 year old when trying to volley

Hehehehe

FluffyYellowBall
03-15-2007, 11:35 PM
Nadal is growing on me. Still get upset when he takes so much time between points. I see him hitting more different kinds of shots these days.

Its a good change but i just wann ask him y is that than when he decides to stand far behind the baseline are on his opponents second serves??:confused: :confused: Very confusing seeiing that he was relativley aggressive through out the match. Most of his returns were too far back but good match overall:D :D Cnt wait for roddick or ljubo.

scoobs
03-15-2007, 11:35 PM
Not the most convincing performance from Rafa but he got it done - I think it helped that Chela just didn't have the sustained firepower to do more than hurt him for periods.

I wondered if there was nerves from Nadal in trying to get to the semis - he knows he's on paper the favourite to win this title now and with his recent confidence problems I wonder if that inhibited him slightly.

No matter - when the crunch times came he dramatically upped his game and finished both sets off. Well done.

Shabazza
03-15-2007, 11:36 PM
The only and I mean only problem I see rafa having with Roddick is his serve because he has such a problem with his return of serve. But Roddick is pretty much even still a one dimensional player. He is just not comfortable at the net, and if rafa plays the net the same way he did today, make less errors and get his return of serve together it is his to win.

Now that wouldn't be the same way, no?. ;)
Really, to say that this match was beautiful is a bit strange. Your standards for great matches must be pretty low...
Hopefully Roddick won't screw up the long awaited match with Nadal.

sondraj06
03-15-2007, 11:37 PM
Its a good change but i just wann ask him y is that than when he decides to stand far behind the baseline are on his opponents second serves??:confused: :confused: Very confusing seeiing that he was relativley aggressive through out the match. Most of his returns were too far back but good match overall:D :D Cnt wait for roddick or ljubo.

Yeah that is true. I was so happy when he would step in but Chela gave rafa a lot of reason to think standing behind the baseline was where he needed to be. Because he serves always hit long, but if he was really smart he would have switched that up on rafa like rafa did and hit some short.

bluefork
03-15-2007, 11:38 PM
The only and I mean only problem I see rafa having with Roddick is his serve because he has such a problem with his return of serve. But Roddick is pretty much even still a one dimensional player. He is just not comfortable at the net, and if rafa plays the net the same way he did today, make less errors and get his return of serve together it is his to win.

I agree. IF Roddick and Nadal end up playing each other in the semis, the result will depend on how well Nadal can return Roddick's serve. Roddick's groundstrokes are not as flat as the "Nadal Killers," which I think will help Nadal. Plus, the Roddick-backhand to Nadal-forehand is a bad match up for Roddick. If, however, Roddick can continue to serve like he did in his previous matches, it will be difficult for Nadal.

But then, we're not even sure that Roddick and Nadal will play yet, so... ;)

jenanun
03-15-2007, 11:38 PM
vamos rafa! :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:

though he seemed to have lost his focus at some points.....

anyway, well done :yeah:

sondraj06
03-15-2007, 11:39 PM
Now that wouldn't be the same way, no?. ;)
Really, to say that this match was beautiful is a bit strange. Your standards for great matches must be pretty low...
Hopefully Roddick won't screw up the long awaited match with Nadal.

Bs some of his shots were incredible. If you read back I do say, yes he made a lot of errors. But like I said he is still ajusting to this new way of play. And I know you all don't like to give him any credit but I am going to have a field day when in 1 or 2 years he really becomes the player he is trying to be and starts dominating.

And damn you all take everything away from the opponent, although I do think rafa gave those games he lost away with the exception of a few. Chela did not make it easy on rafa at all.

Shrinking Violet
03-15-2007, 11:40 PM
Rafa wasn't great today but he played well when it mattered. He'll need to up it a bit against Roddick but it's encouraging that he's playing well at the important stages in a match again. Hopefully he can keep it together and get to the final.

Adler
03-15-2007, 11:40 PM
looking forward to see Nadal-Roddick showdown. Especially Rafa returning and Andy using his backhand against Nadal's forehand. Yummy!

Chela showed why he won't achieve certain level. He's 1.90 m and all he had to do in the 2nd set was to just hit 1st serves. The task was too big.
Well deserved victory by Rafa. He managed to unleash hell in the crucial moments

t0x
03-15-2007, 11:41 PM
:bs:How come whenever rafa wins all of a sudden the player is crap or played like crap. Rafa worked him and the breaks that he did get rafa gave to him with 5 double faults and eus. I wonder what the hell would be a convincing win from rafa for some of you all.

Chela didn't play like crap, he never has been able to volley. It was unconvincing because Rafa can play better, against JCF, now that was convincing. Today Rafa was giving Chela errors that he shouldn't of, and IF Chela could volley properly - he may well of won it.

scoobs
03-15-2007, 11:42 PM
Bs some of his shots were incredible. If you read back I do say, yes he made a lot of errors. But like I said he is still ajusting to this new way of play. And I know you all don't like to give him any credit but I am going to have a field day when in 1 or 2 years he really becomes the player he is trying to be and starts dominating.

And damn you all take everything away from the opponent, although I do think rafa gave those games he lost away with the exception of a few. Chela did not make it easy on rafa at all.
I have to say I saw him play his usual strategy today - I didn't see much of the "new" Nadal. Solid serving, not going for huge serves, only 2 aces but 67% 1st serves in - rallying behind the baseline and going for winners when he worked the opening. Occasional serve-volleying was new, and the forehand was generally a better length than last year on the hardcourts, but that's the only difference I detected.

Horatio Caine
03-15-2007, 11:43 PM
Chela showed us why he has a respectable ranking but will never go much higher. Cant get 1st serves in consistently, looks worse than a 7 year old when trying to volley and no real weapons to hurt the top players.

Don't hold back Mr. Canterbury :p

kobulingam
03-15-2007, 11:44 PM
Nadal's second serve looked like Coria's first serve... ewwwwwwwww.

sondraj06
03-15-2007, 11:44 PM
I have to say I saw him play his usual strategy today - I didn't see much of the "new" Nadal. Solid serving, not going for huge serves, only 2 aces but 67% 1st serves in - rallying behind the baseline and going for winners when he worked the opening. Occasional serve-volleying was new, and the forehand was generally a better length than last year on the hardcourts, but that's the only difference I detected.

Then we are watching two different matches. When have you ever known nadal to step into court and play the net nearly as much as he did, and he is starting to win easy points off his serve now. He stills needs to work on a lot in his game, but it is by no means old nadal

gebl
03-15-2007, 11:45 PM
No matter - when the crunch times came he dramatically upped his game and finished both sets off. Well done.

was this Rafa trying to follow Rogelio's example in expending relatively little energy and concentration on a match he was reasonably sure he could win?

he will expect that the semi is going to be much more difficult.

scoobs
03-15-2007, 11:45 PM
Then we are watching two different matches. When have you ever known nadal to step into court and play the net nearly as much as he did, and he is starting to win easy points off his serve now. He stills needs to work on a lot in his game, but it is by no means old nadal
Clearly we were. You had your rose-tinted specs on and my veil of negativity was in the way.

I suspect the truth is somewhere in between.

FluffyYellowBall
03-15-2007, 11:45 PM
everyone already expecting nadal roddick??? :D

guga2120
03-15-2007, 11:47 PM
if Nadal plays the way he did today, he will lose to Roddick.
Roddick must serve extremly well, b/c Nadal's returns are not that great, but if he can get the ball in play at times, and himself serve well, he should win.

scoobs
03-15-2007, 11:47 PM
I think, regardless of how it was done, the important thing is that he's in the semis. For his confidence that's good news. Hopefully he can build on that in the semi and put together a good performance.

sondraj06
03-15-2007, 11:47 PM
Clearly we were. You had your rose-tinted specs on and my veil of negativity was in the way.

I suspect the truth is somewhere in between.

Of course you would say that, get over yourself. The truth is he has never played the net or felt comfortable with it. Look at the stat and how many points he won at net. He is winning easier on his serve

and yes he played sloppy at time but unlike everyone else I see that he is trying to change his game. But apparently those glasses we both have on is distracting that view

FluffyYellowBall
03-15-2007, 11:47 PM
Nadal's second serve looked like Coria's first serve... ewwwwwwwww.

I actually forgot Corias serve:rolleyes: Except for the 22 double faults he did in the last match/es he played...

sondraj06
03-15-2007, 11:48 PM
if Nadal plays the way he did today, he will lose to Roddick.
Roddick must serve extremly well, b/c Nadal's returns are not that great, but if he can get the ball in play at times, and himself serve well, he should win.

Exactly, I concur

scoobs
03-15-2007, 11:49 PM
Of course you would say that, get over yourself. The truth is he has never played the net or felt comfortable with it. Look at the stat and how many points he won at net. He is winning easier on his serve

and yes he played sloppy at time but unlike everyone else I see that he is trying to change his game. But apparently those glasses we both have on is distracting that view
Oh well excuse me for having an opinion - and trying to suggest your own hopes clouded your perception slightly - as they do for all of us.

But no, of course you are ABSOLUTELY right in ALL you say ALL the time, regardless.

How rude of me to have questioned your judgement at all.

kobulingam
03-15-2007, 11:49 PM
I think, regardless of how it was done, the important thing is that he's in the semis. For his confidence that's good news. Hopefully he can build on that in the semi and put together a good performance.

Reaching this SF is less of an achievement than the QFs of the past few tournaments. Now if he beats Roddick, then that's an achievement (don't even talk about tournament win because Haas has it in the bag).

scoobs
03-15-2007, 11:51 PM
Reaching this SF is less of an achievement than the QFs of the past few tournaments. Now if he beats Roddick, then that's an achievement (don't even talk about tournament win because Haas has it in the bag).
I disagree. Reaching the SFs of a TMS is a step in the right direction for him and a confidence boost. He's taken advantage of the circumstances, which is exactly as he needs to do.

sondraj06
03-15-2007, 11:51 PM
Oh well excuse me for having an opinion - and trying to suggest your own hopes clouded your perception slightly - as they do for all of us.

But no, of course you are ABSOLUTELY right in ALL you say ALL the time, regardless.

How rude of me to have questioned your judgement at all.

That's completely beside the point, You were trying to be a smart ass. Excuse me if I was way off by assuming that from the tone of that last post about my rose colored glasses.

FluffyYellowBall
03-15-2007, 11:51 PM
I think, regardless of how it was done, the important thing is that he's in the semis. For his confidence that's good news. Hopefully he can build on that in the semi and put together a good performance.

But remember if he gets to the final or wins, the king wasnt ther and his demons fell early...It doesnt count as a title:rolleyes: I cant wait to hear these comments

scoobs
03-15-2007, 11:52 PM
That's completely beside the point, You were trying to be a smart ass. Excuse me if I was way off by assuming that from the tone of that last post about my rose colored glasses.
I'm not trying to do anything other than give my opinion, you foolish person.

If you want to read into it smart-assness, then suit your damn self.

Don't push your shit onto me, though.

scoobs
03-15-2007, 11:52 PM
But remember if he gets to the final or wins, the king wasnt ther and his demons fell early...It doesnt count as a title:rolleyes: I cant wait to hear these comments
Inevitable.

And entirely irrelevant, and borne of sour grapes from those who want to see him fail :)

sondraj06
03-15-2007, 11:54 PM
I'm not trying to do anything other than give my opinion, you foolish person.

If you want to read into it smart-assness, then suit your damn self.

Don't push your shit onto me, though.

But to assume that some one is giving an opinion about their fav player without being bias is of course illegal on Mtf. I'm sorry I'm not you, I can be objective when it comes to rafa and that is what i was doing. Your comment was unnecessary and smartassish.

scoobs
03-15-2007, 11:55 PM
But to assume that some one is giving an opinion about their fav player without being bias is of course illegal on Mtf. I'm sorry I'm not you, I can be objective when it comes to rafa and that is what i was doing. Your comment was unnecessary and smartassish.
Believe what you like - you clearly do anyway.

Amazing how you'll attack a Nadal fan though who has a different perception of how he saw the match to how you saw it. Well done. Revel in your own self-righteousness if you must.

sondraj06
03-15-2007, 11:56 PM
Believe what you like - you clearly do anyway.

Amazing how you'll attack a Nadal fan though who has a different perception of how he saw the match to how you saw it. Well done. Revel in your own self-righteousness if you must.

Attacked you, are you serious I attacked you.

guga2120
03-15-2007, 11:58 PM
don't even talk about tournament win because Haas has it in the bag).

if Haas plays Nadal in the final he will lose, but i do think if Andy plays his best,and Nadal plays the way hes been playing, he will most likely beat Nadal in the SF. Haas would proably beat Roddick in the final, i agree with that.

scoobs
03-15-2007, 11:58 PM
Attacked you, are you serious I attacked you.
I disagreed with you. I made a remark we each saw the match differently based on differing perceptions. You then called me a smart-ass. Yes you attacked me.

kobulingam
03-15-2007, 11:58 PM
I actually forgot Corias serve:rolleyes: Except for the 22 double faults he did in the last match/es he played...

Hehe. Nadal's first serve is good (especially with lefty spin).
But his second serve needs to improve before SF.

sondraj06
03-16-2007, 12:02 AM
Oh well excuse me for having an opinion - and trying to suggest your own hopes clouded your perception slightly - as they do for all of us.

But no, of course you are ABSOLUTELY right in ALL you say ALL the time, regardless.

How rude of me to have questioned your judgement at all.

Um this is where you got rude exempt the tinted glass comment, and before this I said nothing about being an ass, go back and read the post that lead to this.

scoobs
03-16-2007, 12:02 AM
I think if Nadal plays a little more solidly he has an excellent chance of making the finals.

scoobs
03-16-2007, 12:04 AM
Um this is where you got rude exempt the tinted glass comment, and before this I said nothing about being an ass, go back and read the post that lead to this.
"Of course you would say that, get over yourself."

That's rude. Excuse me. Rude and dismissive of my views.

vamosnadal
03-16-2007, 12:04 AM
Strange match and one I don't think we can read too much into! At times Nadal looked simply brilliant, at others just plain sloppy! I don't think I've ever seen him make so many unforced errors and let's not mention the word "smash"!

I actually think, with all due respect to Chela, the first few games were a bit too easy and Nadal lost his focus and concentration. Chela then upped his game and Nadal struggled to get his intensity back and just couldn't play well consistently.

He played really well when it mattered though and he did a good job getting the win when he was having one of those days with frustrating errors he wouldn't usually make. Overall good win with some amazing shots and I think he'll cut out the errors in the next match and be back to the form he showed against Ferrero. (Fingers crossed)

Loremaster
03-16-2007, 12:04 AM
nice that he won in 2 congrats Rafa SF of HC TMS always sounds good
now it's all in Andy's hands :)

scoobs
03-16-2007, 12:06 AM
Strange match and one I don't think we can read too much into! At times Nadal looked simply brilliant, at others just plain sloppy! I don't think I've ever seen him make so many unforced errors and let's not mention the word "smash"!

I actually think, with all due respect to Chela, the first few games were a bit too easy and Nadal lost his focus and concentration. Chela then upped his game and Nadal struggled to get his intensity back and just couldn't play well consistently.

He played really well when it mattered though and he did a good job getting the win when he was having one of those days with frustrating errors he wouldn't usually make. Overall good win with some amazing shots and I think he'll cut out the errors in the next match and be back to the form he showed against Ferrero. (Fingers crossed)

Yes I pretty much agree with this entirely.

Viken01
03-16-2007, 12:06 AM
good win for nadal

Gulliver
03-16-2007, 12:07 AM
If Chela can break him that easy, and push him to 7/5 7/5 with non existent volleying skills, Nadal is there for the taking by anyone better than Chela. #2 in the world - give me a break, I've seen better tennis from Stepanek.

zicofirol
03-16-2007, 12:09 AM
clement, verdasco, ferrero and now chela pathetic...

Roddick should beat him, if lubijic gets by he will probably choke..

sondraj06
03-16-2007, 12:09 AM
O.K dismissive of a comment that my opinion on the match was tinted. Are you serious here. Talk about dismissive. When you read back did you clearly read what I was saying get over yourself for, right. For the assumption that I had a bias view on the match. By the way which is still presumptuous of you.

adee-gee
03-16-2007, 12:09 AM
Good job Rafa :sport:

I'm still not convinced he's playing well enough to beat Roddick if A-Rod is firing. Obviously he'd bitch Ljubicic, but that goes without saying.

scoobs
03-16-2007, 12:09 AM
If Chela can break him that easy, and push him to 7/5 7/5 with non existent volleying skills, Nadal is there for the taking by anyone better than Chela. #2 in the world - give me a break, I've seen better tennis from Stepanek.

It wasn't Chela's volleying skills that were giving Nadal trouble :wavey:

Chela certainly had help from Nadal with some sloppy play to get those breaks.

Credit to Chela, though - he played a solid match and only looked outclassed at the ends of the sets when Nadal brought his best out.

scoobs
03-16-2007, 12:10 AM
O.K dismissive of a comment that my opinion on the match was tinted. Are you serious here. Talk about dismissive. When you read back did you clearly read what I was saying get over yourself for, right. For the assumption that I had a bias view on the match. By the way which is still presumptuous of you.
Oh whatever. I'm done quibbling over semantics with you. Have a nice day :hatoff:

All_Slam_Andre
03-16-2007, 12:13 AM
Good job Rafa :sport:

I'm still not convinced he's playing well enough to beat Roddick if A-Rod is firing. Obviously he'd bitch Ljubicic, but that goes without saying.

I think that Nadal V Roddick on hard is pretty much 50-50. They both have effective weapons to hurt each other with. As a fan of Nadal, I don't know who to support later tonight. I'm one of the many people who has been dying to see Nadal and Roddick play each other for a long time, but Ljubicic would represent an effective bye into the final for Rafa. A tough one.

Bad Religion
03-16-2007, 12:15 AM
clement, verdasco, ferrero and now chela pathetic...

Roddick should beat him, if lubijic gets by he will probably choke..

And Gonzalez is out :wavey:


This sunday Rafa will have the same number of MS titles than Gonzalez in MM tourneys :dance:

zicofirol
03-16-2007, 12:15 AM
I think that Nadal V Roddick on hard is pretty much 50-50. They both have effective weapons to hurt each other with. As a fan of Nadal, I don't know who to support later tonight. I'm one of the many people who has been dying to see Nadal and Roddick play each other for a long time, but Ljubicic would represent an effective bye into the final for Rafa. A tough one.

I think it's a tight but easy win for roddick, nadal's game just does not match up well with Roddick...

scoobs
03-16-2007, 12:17 AM
I think it's a tight but easy win for roddick, nadal's game just does not match up well with Roddick...
Not sure I agree with that at all. Apart from the serve I don't see how Roddick is supposed to hurt Nadal. If he comes to the net he WILL get passed. A lot. If he stays back, he doesn't really hit through his groundies with great power and Nadal will rally with him all day and outmaneouver him and eventually get the winner.

I tend to think a Roddick-Nadal match favours Nadal unless the Roddick serve is absolutely untouchable.

zicofirol
03-16-2007, 12:18 AM
And Gonzalez is out :wavey:


This sunday Rafa will have the same number of MS titles than Gonzalez in MM tourneys :dance:

right, and this is relevant because???

oh, and lol that rep you sent me, funny that something like that would affect you so much, haha....

zicofirol
03-16-2007, 12:19 AM
Not sure I agree with that at all. Apart from the serve I don't see how Roddick is supposed to hurt Nadal. If he comes to the net he WILL get passed. A lot. If he stays back, he doesn't really hit through his groundies with great power and Nadal will rally with him all day and outmaneouver him and eventually get the winner.

I tend to think a Roddick-Nadal match favours Nadal unless the Roddick serve is absolutely untouchable.

Nadal will not brake Roddick serve especially if he keeps serving like he is now, for one he stands way back, will just give roddick too many angles, roddick wont break nadal but he should get some points in the tiebreak and might break him if Nadal is pressured from not being able to break roddick...

vamosnadal
03-16-2007, 12:22 AM
Not sure I agree with that at all. Apart from the serve I don't see how Roddick is supposed to hurt Nadal. If he comes to the net he WILL get passed. A lot. If he stays back, he doesn't really hit through his groundies with great power and Nadal will rally with him all day and outmaneouver him and eventually get the winner.

I tend to think a Roddick-Nadal match favours Nadal unless the Roddick serve is absolutely untouchable.

Now it's my turn to agree completely with you!!!

ChinoRios4Ever
03-16-2007, 12:22 AM
finally rafa, you QF jinx is over... :yeah:

scoobs
03-16-2007, 12:24 AM
Nadal will not brake Roddick serve especially if he keeps serving like he is now, for one he stands way back, will just give roddick too many angles, roddick wont break nadal but he should get some points in the tiebreak and might break him if Nadal is pressured from not being able to break roddick...
I think Nadal will get enough chances on the Roddick serve to make a few dents.

leng jai
03-16-2007, 12:25 AM
Not sure I agree with that at all. Apart from the serve I don't see how Roddick is supposed to hurt Nadal. If he comes to the net he WILL get passed. A lot. If he stays back, he doesn't really hit through his groundies with great power and Nadal will rally with him all day and outmaneouver him and eventually get the winner.

I tend to think a Roddick-Nadal match favours Nadal unless the Roddick serve is absolutely untouchable.

Roddick can't beat any top players without serving really well.

Kalliopeia
03-16-2007, 12:33 AM
Good win for Rafa...this should do good things for his confidence, being able to get back into the second set and pull out some amazing tennis when he needed to.

It wasn't necessarily pretty...way too many UEs. But 30 winners isn't shabby for Rafa at all. His forehand was looking pretty good, and when he gets his first serve in it's working for him, even starting to get him a few easy points now and then which is a good thing for sure. I feel pretty good about where he's at right now, even if he doesn't get to the finals. Which I think he's got a pretty good chance of doing no matter who he plays.

Pfloyd
03-16-2007, 12:34 AM
If Nadal plays well and gets good rhythm, then I think Nadal will beat Roddick. But it will be a hard match.

However, Nadal ought to watch out and not let Roddick win his service games too quickly, because other wise, I believe, Roddick will have more chances of breaking Nadal than the other way around.

I know I am stating the obvious but Nadal HAS to return well, hit to Roddicks backhand, and most importantly, keep moving him around the court.

If the match goes to length, I belive Roddick will lose patience.

Having stated that, the match between those two, if it happens, is 50-50.

I am inclined to give rafa a .5% more than Roddick, given the fact that I believe he wants to win the title very badly, in order to regain confidence and make a "I'm back!" statement before the clay court season.

Crowd will also be a plus factor for Roddick.

We'll see.

DhammaTiger
03-16-2007, 12:42 AM
VAMOS RAFA!!!! :banana: :woohoo:

vamosnadal
03-16-2007, 12:43 AM
It will be quite amusing to see the fastest player in the world (or one of the fastest) against the slowest. I can see it really annoying the Rodster!

safinaferrero
03-16-2007, 01:02 AM
Greeeat win vamos contra A-RoD :devil:

sondraj06
03-16-2007, 01:04 AM
Nadal will not brake Roddick serve especially if he keeps serving like he is now, for one he stands way back, will just give roddick too many angles, roddick wont break nadal but he should get some points in the tiebreak and might break him if Nadal is pressured from not being able to break roddick...


I'm terrible afraid you are too right in this statement. If you ever want to see a player win a match with just the serve Roddick vs. Rafa is that match.

First if rafa can not find a solution that does not involve standing far behind the baseline to retrieve Roddicks serves then this game is pretty much lost for Rafa.

This is how I see it going down. Roddick gets a fair majority of his first serves in and continues to push Rafa further and further behind the baseline. Because when nadal is pushed into a corner that is exactly where he reverts. Roddick attacks off his serve and keeps nadal at the baseline pretty much making the match fairly even in terms of game. He controls the points and puts rafa on the defensive, smashing balls from one side of the court to the other. Running nadal all over the court, until he is pretty much playing the game that so many of his opponents seemed to have figure out and attacked him with.

And with all the errors he is making I don't see that above scenario looking too difficult for Roddick.

I'm not terribly familiar with Roddicks return of serve or where it stands amongst the best in the word. But I'm pretty sure he will not have much of a problem catching up to Nadals serve. Especially if he gives him a bunch of easy points with double faults.

But I do see Roddick getting to all of Nadals serves and again taken control of the rally. Which we all know they love to do, and once again Rafa reverting back behind the baseline. Then the match pretty much becoming the war of the baseliners, which I see Roddick winning solely based on his serve.

Oh and I forgot too mention the second serve. Well we all know that Nadals serve will be no problem for Roddick to attack.

The only hope that Rafa will have on Roddick is his second serve if he plays it safe, which he has been known to do occasionally.

The problem I see with this is, Rafa is not the best when it comes to his attack game. Not with ground strokes, and although I don't think he will have too much trouble with the rallies, it's the attacking of the second serve that I just don't see Rafa getting into. So that will be his biggest issue. If you can't make ground with Roddick first serve, still attack as best you can and hope he misses a lot then get all over that second serve.

Vammos rafa

GlennMirnyi
03-16-2007, 01:23 AM
What's easier? Beating Chela or stealing candy from a 2 year-old? I have my doubts on this one.

Johnny Groove
03-16-2007, 01:25 AM
What's easier? Beating Chela or stealing candy from a 2 year-old? I have my doubts on this one.

ahhh, the ever present dissenter :)

sawan66278
03-16-2007, 01:27 AM
For someone in a "slump", losing only once before the quarters since the 2006 Masters Series in Miami is not too shabby...

sawan66278
03-16-2007, 01:31 AM
And let's not just assume Andy will play on Saturday...the last three matches between Ivan and Andy have been tight, tight affairs...and Ivan has won two of the last three times he has played him...

For me, Ivan rallying against Fat Dave was impressive...

blank_frackis
03-16-2007, 01:41 AM
There are two very interesting potential semi-finals in the making. Nadal against Roddick is something I've wanted to see for some time (no disrespect to Ljubicic who could certainly beat Roddick before that). On the other side of the draw Djokovic if he gets through will be fun to watch against whoever wins the other match (don't really mind as both Murray and Haas are entertaining me right now).

cmurray
03-16-2007, 01:50 AM
What's easier? Beating Chela or stealing candy from a 2 year-old? I have my doubts on this one.

GM, have you ever tried to take candy from a 2 year old? It isn't pretty. :lol:

GlennMirnyi
03-16-2007, 01:53 AM
GM, have you ever tried to take candy from a 2 year old? It isn't pretty. :lol:

Well, it's harder than beating Chela, for sure. ;)

cmurray
03-16-2007, 01:56 AM
Well, it's harder than beating Chela, for sure. ;)

As I said....you have NO idea. :lol:

GlennMirnyi
03-16-2007, 01:58 AM
As I said....you have NO idea. :lol:

Well, if you had to steal candy from a 2 year-old, then you must be a "bad person". :lol:

my0118
03-16-2007, 01:58 AM
Well done Rafa. I could expect to see duck-piggy match.

RickDaStick
03-16-2007, 01:58 AM
As I said....you have NO idea. :lol:

Why are you stealing candy from 2 year olds?

GlennMirnyi
03-16-2007, 01:59 AM
Why are you stealing candy from 2 year olds?

She's a bad person. :haha:

cmurray
03-16-2007, 02:07 AM
She's a bad person. :haha:

Let's just say that I have a very resourceful son, who at the tender age of 2 could con lollipops out of unsuspecting bank clerks like there was no tomorrow. A 2 year old boy on a sugar high is not always a good thing. He did NOT want to give up that candy, let me tell you. :p

GlennMirnyi
03-16-2007, 02:13 AM
Let's just say that I have a very resourceful son, who at the tender age of 2 could con lollipops out of unsuspecting bank clerks like there was no tomorrow. A 2 year old boy on a sugar high is not always a good thing. He did NOT want to give up that candy, let me tell you. :p

Your son is stealing candy from shops? :eek: Are you educating him making him watch Nadal trying to cheat the Hawk-Eye system? :lol:

Merton
03-16-2007, 02:19 AM
It is very difficult to outgrind Nadal so it is not surprising that Chela was not up to the task today. If I am not wrong, Nadal had something like 30 winners versus 15 from Chela. Rafa now is the underdog on paper against whoever wins between Andy and Ivan and this is where he is at his most dangerous.

cmurray
03-16-2007, 02:20 AM
Your son is stealing candy from shops? :eek: Are you educating him making him watch Nadal trying to cheat the Hawk-Eye system? :lol:

No...not steal candy. In the US when you go into a bank, the people who work there give kids candy. My son was just more adept than most at getting this candy - whether I wanted him to have it or not.

And get it right, Glenn. The hawkeye system was cheating RAFA> :mad:

:lol:

Metis
03-16-2007, 02:22 AM
Let's just say that I have a very resourceful son, who at the tender age of 2 could con lollipops out of unsuspecting bank clerks like there was no tomorrow. A 2 year old boy on a sugar high is not always a good thing. He did NOT want to give up that candy, let me tell you. :p

:lol:
Little kids can be ruthless when it comes to candy. I can't even imagine what you have been through. :awww: :hug: and that at some point I'll have to face it too :scared:

GlennMirnyi
03-16-2007, 02:24 AM
No...not steal candy. In the US when you go into a bank, the people who work there give kids candy. My son was just more adept than most at getting this candy - whether I wanted him to have it or not.

And get it right, Glenn. The hawkeye system was cheating RAFA> :mad:

:lol:

Hey, please don't treat us like we didn't have candy. :p ;) Of course we give kids some candy/water/toys when they go to a "grown-ups" place, but it's only 1 candy per child. :p

Hawk-eye percentage of sucess: 99%. :p

cmurray
03-16-2007, 02:26 AM
:lol:
Little kids can be ruthless when it comes to candy. I can't even imagine what you have been through. :awww: :hug: and that at some point I'll have to face it too :scared:

Prepare yourself, my friend.

:drink: helps.

cmurray
03-16-2007, 02:29 AM
Hey, please don't treat us like we didn't have candy. :p ;) Of course we give kids some candy/water/toys when they go to a "grown-ups" place, but it's only 1 candy per child. :p

Hawk-eye percentage of sucess: 99%. :p

That's just because they've never encountered my son the con artist.

"Can I have anuver one pease?" :rolleyes: The kid's a freaking menace.

FedFan_2007
03-16-2007, 02:55 AM
Bs some of his shots were incredible. If you read back I do say, yes he made a lot of errors. But like I said he is still ajusting to this new way of play. And I know you all don't like to give him any credit but I am going to have a field day when in 1 or 2 years he really becomes the player he is trying to be and starts dominating.

And damn you all take everything away from the opponent, although I do think rafa gave those games he lost away with the exception of a few. Chela did not make it easy on rafa at all.

Rafa will never dominate like FedGod does using that extreme grip. You can stuff that in your pipe and smoke it. It will always be a struggle for Rafa.

FedFan_2007
03-16-2007, 02:56 AM
Rafa doesn't stand much a chance on hardcourts against attacking style players with huge serves(see Andy Roddick, Ivan Ljubicic, James Blake, Thomas Berdych, a some stiff named Federer)

sondraj06
03-16-2007, 03:21 AM
Rafa will never dominate like FedGod does using that extreme grip. You can stuff that in your pipe and smoke it. It will always be a struggle for Rafa.

Two words shut up, I didn't say he would dominate like fed. But he sure has dominated fed.

Don't be mad at me because your infatuated with a bottom

sondraj06
03-16-2007, 03:26 AM
Rafa doesn't stand much a chance on hardcourts against attacking style players with huge serves(see Andy Roddick, Ivan Ljubicic, James Blake, Thomas Berdych, a some stiff named Federer)

This coming from a bitter fedtard, typical

jazar
03-16-2007, 08:50 AM
unlucky juan. broken at the death in both

bokehlicious
03-16-2007, 08:55 AM
Rafa you fucking animal !

Peoples
03-16-2007, 09:06 AM
Chela did a lot better than I expected.

MariaV
03-16-2007, 09:15 AM
Strange match and one I don't think we can read too much into! At times Nadal looked simply brilliant, at others just plain sloppy! I don't think I've ever seen him make so many unforced errors and let's not mention the word "smash"!


He missed the 'smashes' bc of the sun I think. :shrug:

I think Nadal will get enough chances on the Roddick serve to make a few dents.

You're optimistic. :D
If Andy's serve is on, Rafa won't have a chance. I doubt Rafa's receiving is good enough atm.

Castafiore
03-16-2007, 09:19 AM
Strange match and one I don't think we can read too much into! At times Nadal looked simply brilliant, at others just plain sloppy! I don't think I've ever seen him make so many unforced errors and let's not mention the word "smash"!

I actually think, with all due respect to Chela, the first few games were a bit too easy and Nadal lost his focus and concentration. Chela then upped his game and Nadal struggled to get his intensity back and just couldn't play well consistently.

He played really well when it mattered though and he did a good job getting the win when he was having one of those days with frustrating errors he wouldn't usually make. Overall good win with some amazing shots and I think he'll cut out the errors in the next match and be back to the form he showed against Ferrero. (Fingers crossed)
Pretty much how I saw it. Strange match indeed.
Brilliant at times and crap at times without a middle road.

RonE
03-16-2007, 09:46 AM
Rafa you fucking animal !

VAMOS!!!!!!!!!!

lau
03-16-2007, 09:54 AM
:p

Chela did a lot better than I expected.

Who cares what you expected? Seriously?

stebs
03-16-2007, 10:03 AM
This coming from a bitter fedtard, typical

:lol: You know so little about tennis. I am not saying that Rafa will not be #1 soon but simply that he will not dominate for the exact reasons the 'fedtard' said. Why would he be bitter? One loss to Canas isn't a problem for Roger when he is #1 by a country mile and holds 3 slams plus the masters.

At any rate, even your fellow Nadal fans will tell you that Nadal is unlikely to dominate in that same way and they will also tell you (most anyway) that Nadal is likely to continue to be vulneravle to big hitting on a fast court. You're the biggest fanboy/girl on these boards, not because you are the rudest but simply because your opinions have no basis in tennis. You base everythying on how much you like a player.

vamosnadal
03-16-2007, 10:05 AM
[QUOTE=MariaV;5039544]He missed the 'smashes' bc of the sun I think. :shrug:

You could be right Maria, but from watching several of his matches I just think he has a bit of a dodgy overhead when he has to play it from near the back of the court. As a Rafa fan, I hold my breath everytime he has to hit one! :)

MariaV
03-16-2007, 10:11 AM
You could be right Maria, but from watching several of his matches I just think he has a bit of a dodgy overhead when he has to play it from near the back of the court. As a Rafa fan, I hold my breath everytime he has to hit one! :)

Yeah I mean it's not like he's an accomplished volleyer or anything. :lol:

oz_boz
03-16-2007, 10:27 AM
Pig beats Llama comfortably as expected.

Duck to be devoured next.

vamosnadal
03-16-2007, 10:43 AM
Yeah I mean it's not like he's an accomplished volleyer or anything. :lol:

Well contrary to what people on here say, I think he's a very good volleyer! I'm just not so keen on his smash from the back of the court.

MariaV
03-16-2007, 10:55 AM
Well contrary to what people on here say, I think he's a very good volleyer! I'm just not so keen on his smash from the back of the court.

He showed some nice volleying at Wimbledon last year but otherwise .... :o :shrug:
And smashes from the back of the court are really tricky.

vamosnadal
03-16-2007, 11:04 AM
He showed some nice volleying at Wimbledon last year but otherwise .... :o :shrug:
And smashes from the back of the court are really tricky.

You're right it's a very tricky shot, but he can make some wild, horrendous misses which he should at least be able to get back in play. I'm not having a go at the guy, I'm a big fan of Nadal, it's just something I've noticed in his game. We'll have to agree to disagree about the volley. Yeah he misses a few, but overall I think he's quite solid at the net and he tends to win a high percentage of points he plays up there. :)

sondraj06
03-16-2007, 02:38 PM
:lol: You know so little about tennis. I am not saying that Rafa will not be #1 soon but simply that he will not dominate for the exact reasons the 'fedtard' said. Why would he be bitter? One loss to Canas isn't a problem for Roger when he is #1 by a country mile and holds 3 slams plus the masters.

At any rate, even your fellow Nadal fans will tell you that Nadal is unlikely to dominate in that same way and they will also tell you (most anyway) that Nadal is likely to continue to be vulneravle to big hitting on a fast court. You're the biggest fanboy/girl on these boards, not because you are the rudest but simply because your opinions have no basis in tennis. You base everythying on how much you like a player.

You are an idiot, and I really need to make a point of not responding to those who are idiots, but I'll give this a go. everything in this post is :bs: Go back and read my post, or better yet read my analysis of rafa game on the other 3 or 4 threads dedicated to him in the last 2 days, then come with something better.

No maybe next time, because i'll only shut you down once more:ignore: sorry. The exit is that way

cmurray
03-16-2007, 02:44 PM
You're right it's a very tricky shot, but he can make some wild, horrendous misses which he should at least be able to get back in play. I'm not having a go at the guy, I'm a big fan of Nadal, it's just something I've noticed in his game. We'll have to agree to disagree about the volley. Yeah he misses a few, but overall I think he's quite solid at the net and he tends to win a high percentage of points he plays up there. :)

Actually, I agree. Rafa doesn't go to the net that often, but when he does, he usually does a pretty good job.

sondraj06
03-16-2007, 02:54 PM
Actually, I agree. Rafa doesn't go to the net that often, but when he does, he usually does a pretty good job.

I don't get it, did people see this match rafa. Came into net on his terms not chelas. Made the majority of his points at net, his net percentage was great. So i'm not seeing where he is lacking at the net, some one please point it out to me.

cmurray
03-16-2007, 03:39 PM
I don't get it, did people see this match rafa. Came into net on his terms not chelas. Made the majority of his points at net, his net percentage was great. So i'm not seeing where he is lacking at the net, some one please point it out to me.

I'm confused. Are you agreeing or disagreeing with me? I think Rafa does quite well at the net. Sure he doesn't serve and volley every point, but he picks his spots really well.

sondraj06
03-16-2007, 03:55 PM
I'm confused. Are you agreeing or disagreeing with me? I think Rafa does quite well at the net. Sure he doesn't serve and volley every point, but he picks his spots really well.

Agreeing, I didn't dispute any thing you said, just adding to it

cmurray
03-16-2007, 04:12 PM
Agreeing, I didn't dispute any thing you said, just adding to it

ah.