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This year's worst starts

Haidef Lorez
03-14-2007, 03:35 PM
11 players have lost 8 times already since January 1st, 2007.

Kevin Kim (USA) #121
W1 L8 PCT0.111

Andreas Seppi (ITA) #102
W3 L8 PCT0.273

Kristian Pless (DEN) #84
W4 L8 PCT0.333

Daniele Bracciali (ITA) #82
W4 L8 PCT0.333

Ignacio Coll (ESP) #725
W4 L8 PCT0.333

Andrea Arnaboldi (ITA) #571
W6 L8 PCT0.429

Hector Ruiz-Cadenas (ESP) #287
W7 L8 PCT0.467

Ralph Grambow (GER) #600
W7 L8 PCT0.467

Nicolas Mahut (FRA) #94
W7 L8 PCT0.467

Ludwig Pellerin (FRA) #459
W7 L8 PCT0.467

Miguel Angel Lopez Jaen (ESP) #476
W10 L8 PCT0.556

The Italian and Spanish contestants are doing quite well :p , with the French hot on their heels. TMK (The Mighty Kim) looks quite untouchable at the moment...

Balerion
03-14-2007, 04:50 PM
11 players have lost 8 times already since January 1st, 2007.

Kevin Kim (USA) #121
W1 L8 PCT0.111

Andreas Seppi (ITA) #102
W3 L8 PCT0.273

Kristian Pless (DEN) #84
W4 L8 PCT0.333

Daniele Bracciali (ITA) #82
W4 L8 PCT0.333

Ignacio Coll (ESP) #725
W4 L8 PCT0.333

Andrea Arnaboldi (ITA) #571
W6 L8 PCT0.429

Hector Ruiz-Cadenas (ESP) #287
W7 L8 PCT0.467

Ralph Grambow (GER) #600
W7 L8 PCT0.467

Nicolas Mahut (FRA) #94
W7 L8 PCT0.467

Ludwig Pellerin (FRA) #459
W7 L8 PCT0.467

Miguel Angel Lopez Jaen (ESP) #476
W10 L8 PCT0.556

The Italian and Spanish contestants are doing quite well :p , with the French hot on their heels. TMK (The Mighty Kim) looks quite untouchable at the moment...

I think Kevin Kim pretty much defines "last legs of his career" right now. Too bad he's not playing Sarajevo - drawing Rusedski could have given him the farewell win he so fervently desires.


Well, there will always be several Spanish and Italian futures players on this list. Both countries have endless weeks of $10k futures (the lowest tier) in which the point structure is 12-8-4-2-1-0. So basically, unless you are consistently reaching the finals, it's hard to progress unless you play bigger futures (often France, Great Britain, and Germany have $15k) or break into challengers via qualifying. Spain and, to a lesser extent, Italy have whole hosts of futures-level players who beat up on each other week after week. Occasionally a Santiago Ventura emerges and reaches the top 100, only to disappear as suddenly as he showed up (Ventura has plummeted back to the futures tour already...). I guess if any of these guys really had talent, they would rise above (and it's true that many Spanish futures regulars haven't done well in challenger main draws), but it's gotta be frustrating when reaching the SF nets you 4 ranking points, which barely moves the needle once you are inside the top 500. I've always wondered if the "quantity over quality" scheduling approach of the Spanish and Italian futures circuit was helpful or harmful. I guess it doesn't really matter for the Nadals of the world, but I wonder if it hindered the development of more Guillermo Garcia-Lopezs or something. Probably no one cares, I guess. Though for what it's worth the last two young prospects to really blow through the Spanish circuit were Nadal and then Almagro...it's kind of at a lull right now, without an eye-popping junior.

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Burrow
03-14-2007, 08:07 PM
bracciali is a player who could do very well for himself, his serve is rocket and his ground strokes are very good, i really dont know why he cant string good results toghether.

Haidef Lorez
03-14-2007, 09:18 PM
[QUOTE=Balerion;5030829]Though for what it's worth the last two young prospects to really blow through the Spanish circuit were Nadal and then Almagro...it's kind of at a lull right now, without an eye-popping junior./QUOTE].

Thanks for the insight. Ironically, Almagro clocks in at 7 losses already. His winning percentage is .462 which can be explained by a heavy schedule AND obvious lack of results so far...

Balerion
03-15-2007, 12:55 AM
Though for what it's worth the last two young prospects to really blow through the Spanish circuit were Nadal and then Almagro...it's kind of at a lull right now, without an eye-popping junior.

Thanks for the insight. Ironically, Almagro clocks in at 7 losses already. His winning percentage is .462 which can be explained by a heavy schedule AND obvious lack of results so far...

Losses generally indicate how often a player plays rather than how well because very few players win more than 2-3 titles per year, even at the lower levels. Winning % is more of a warning sign. Not that racking up losses is a great thing, but better to be consistently mediocre (Lopez-Jaen) than consistently bad (Kim).

Almagro has talent, but he's just not very good away from clay courts. He did spend some time on the South American swing earlier and picked up two QFs and a SF. He's still ranked fairly high, but that may change because he has to defend a win at Valencia, a SF at Barcelona and a QF at Rome by the beginning of May....all for a total of 455 of his 930 points. He's definitely capable of gaining back some ground at the French Open (2R last year), but it's very unlikely that he'll have the advantage of being a seed by then. Almagro has always been interesting to me, he really stalled out at the #100 range for a while, then had a break through last April/May, but he hasn't built on his successes that much and he's about to fall back down the ladder a bit if that doesn't change.


Incidentally, on a somewhat related note, Miguel-Angel Lopez-Jaen is into the quarterfinals of Spain F10 after knocking off...Santiago Ventura in the first round. How the mighty have fallen!

Haidef Lorez
03-15-2007, 09:48 AM
Losses generally indicate how often a player plays rather than how well because very few players win more than 2-3 titles per year, even at the lower levels. Winning % is more of a warning sign. Not that racking up losses is a great thing, but better to be consistently mediocre (Lopez-Jaen) than consistently bad (Kim).

Almagro has talent, but he's just not very good away from clay courts. He did spend some time on the South American swing earlier and picked up two QFs and a SF. He's still ranked fairly high, but that may change because he has to defend a win at Valencia, a SF at Barcelona and a QF at Rome by the beginning of May....all for a total of 455 of his 930 points. He's definitely capable of gaining back some ground at the French Open (2R last year), but it's very unlikely that he'll have the advantage of being a seed by then. Almagro has always been interesting to me, he really stalled out at the #100 range for a while, then had a break through last April/May, but he hasn't built on his successes that much and he's about to fall back down the ladder a bit if that doesn't change.


Incidentally, on a somewhat related note, Miguel-Angel Lopez-Jaen is into the quarterfinals of Spain F10 after knocking off...Santiago Ventura in the first round. How the mighty have fallen!

I looked up the players' activity so far and the guy with the most wins - and matches played overall - this year is Javier Genaro-Martinez (ESP, #299) with 25 victories and a PCT of .806. He's been playing all the Spanish futures (1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 8, 9 and currently 10) winning one and making it to the finals in 4 others.

Adrian Menendez (ESP, #357) who's had a little less good luck is also on the same circuit and is not too far behind with 14 wins and a .667 PCT.

Interestingly, there were 47 Spaniards competing at the beginning of this week, which is below the 57 Frenchmen and above the 35 players coming from the USA, Germany or Italy.

leng jai
03-15-2007, 10:40 AM
The funniest thing is that Mahut bagelled Safin. Roofel.

Kolya
03-15-2007, 12:11 PM
Mahut now has a win.

A_Skywalker
03-15-2007, 01:15 PM
Strange, I wonder what is goin on with Safin

Minotaur
03-15-2007, 01:15 PM
bracciali is a player who could do very well for himself, his serve is rocket and his ground strokes are very good, i really dont know why he cant string good results toghether.

1) many injuries 2) strictly indoor hard/grass player

Minotaur
03-15-2007, 01:17 PM
Strange, I wonder what is goin on with Safin

1) Speed on court decreases with age 2) seems to be bad coaching

Balerion
03-15-2007, 03:57 PM
I looked up the players' activity so far and the guy with the most wins - and matches played overall - this year is Javier Genaro-Martinez (ESP, #299) with 25 victories and a PCT of .806. He's been playing all the Spanish futures (1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 8, 9 and currently 10) winning one and making it to the finals in 4 others.

Adrian Menendez (ESP, #357) who's had a little less good luck is also on the same circuit and is not too far behind with 14 wins and a .667 PCT.

Interestingly, there were 47 Spaniards competing at the beginning of this week, which is below the 57 Frenchmen and above the 35 players coming from the USA, Germany or Italy.

Yes, in any given year the top 10 matches played list will be filled with 2-3 Spanish futures players. Last year it was:

1. Mischa Zverev (GER) 74-31
2. Benjamin Becker (GER) 70-30
3. Juan-Albert Viloca (ESP) 66-34
4. Gorka Fraile (ESP) 61-39
5. Lukas Rosol (CZE) 69-30
6. Alberto Francis (USA) 65-34
7. Andrey Golubev (RUS) 63-36
8. Nikolay Davydenko (RUS) 69-29
9. Simone Vagnozzi (ITA) 66-32
10. Roger Federer (SUI) 92-5

Players like Viloca and Francis took advantage of the four-round futures qualifying that is more prevalent in USA and Spain futures. A few other Spaniards Pablo Santos-Gonzalez and Jose Checa-Calvo were in the running all year before dropping off at the end.

Also, while the ATP site is miles better than it was years ago, it doesn't include any qualifying matches at any level. Steve G's site ranks players by matches played and winning percentage...taking qualifying into account and not including this week:

1. Vladimir Obradovic (SRB) 24-8
2. Justin Diao Natale (USA) 24-7
3. Javier Genaro-Martinez (ESP) 24-6
4. Peter Polansky (CAN) 26-3
5. Dusan Vemic (SRB) 20-8
6. Ignacio Coll-Riudavets (ESP) 18-10
7. Edouard Roger-Vasselin (FRA) 18-8
8. Carlos Poch-Gradin (ESP) 18-7
9. Fabio Fognini (ITA) 16-9
10. Miquel Perez-Puigdomenech (ESP) 16-9

Javier Genaro-Martinez is 27, so he doesn't have much of a future, although he has had a good year so far. Adrian Menendez, as you mentioned earlier, is also having a decent year and is 21, so he has a bit more promise. The best prospect with a ton of activity is Peter Polansky though...he's the infamous junior who fell out of a third-story hotel window, but recovered and is now looking like one of the better young players currently on the futures circuit.

Haidef Lorez
03-15-2007, 04:56 PM
Also, while the ATP site is miles better than it was years ago, it doesn't include any qualifying matches at any level. Steve G's site ranks players by matches played and winning percentage...

Yeah, it'll be interesting to compare steveg's stats with the ones I got from coretennis.net (which don't take qualifying matches into account).

You seem to know a little about players from Spain. What's your take on Pere Riba and Carlos Boluda (younger categories)?

JBdV
03-15-2007, 05:11 PM
The funniest thing is that Mahut bagelled Safin. Roofel.

Mahut also beat Ljubicic this season...and he's now 9-9 so a little closer to moving off this list.

jole
03-15-2007, 09:27 PM
Dominik Hrbaty is playing quite poor this year. He lost to both Teimuraz Gabashvili and Potito Starace on hard courts in straight sets in less than 4 days.

Pea
03-15-2007, 10:05 PM
I'm surprised Janko wasn't on this list. He was 0-6 before coming into this tournament. Now he's 2-7.;)

Balerion
03-16-2007, 02:41 AM
Yeah, it'll be interesting to compare steveg's stats with the ones I got from coretennis.net (which don't take qualifying matches into account).

You seem to know a little about players from Spain. What's your take on Pere Riba and Carlos Boluda (younger categories)?

I wouldn't call myself an expert because pretty much all the tennis I see is on TV because I live in the northeastern area of the US, where there are very few events. So basically, I just follow ITF results closely. It's imperfect, but watching how players do week in and week out coupled with reports I read and a player's junior pedigree can give you a pretty decent idea about his potential.

Anyway, Riba has been okay but not spectacular. At this point, he's the kind of guy who can consistently get to QFs, but not really break through and win tournaments. He's turning 19 this year, so he'll need to make some progress to remain a good prospect unless he turns out to be a real late-bloomer. When Nadal was Riba's age, he was winning Costa do Sauipe, Acapulco, and pushed Federer to 5 sets in the final at Miami. That's a ridiculously unfair comparison - but in the year in which Almagro turned 19, he moved from 150 to 100. In Verdasco's age 18/19 year, he moved from 465 to 173.

It's hard to project Riba as a top-line Spaniard. But that's not to say he can't have a solid career - Guillermo Garcia-Lopez moved from 876 to 376 in 2002 in his 18/19 year. But then, GGL isn't as good as Nadal, Almagro, or Verdasco. I think the rest of 2007 will tell us a lot about Riba. If he doesn't make a lot of progress, I'd be a lot less bullish on him.


Boluda is only 14 so it's hard to get a read on him. Some child phenoms work out, some don't. It's hard enough to predict the 17/18 year old top ITF juniors; guys like Boluda and Bernard Tomic are definitely ahead of the curve now, but will they be able to stay ahead of their peers in the years to come? It's impossible to say.

Haidef Lorez
03-16-2007, 10:11 AM
I'm surprised Janko wasn't on this list. He was 0-6 before coming into this tournament. Now he's 2-7.;)

Actually, there are a couple of players (actually 335 of 'em) who still haven't managed to win a single match this year. They aren't really front-runners but two of them - Volandri and Vicente - probably should not be there given their ranking.

Here's the list, limited to players who've at least 4 matches under their belt since Jan.1, 2007:
Daniel Yoo W0 L7 (ATP 510)
Gianluca Naso W0 L6 (ATP 469)
Fabio Colangelo W0 L6 (ATP 569)
Dylan Sessagesimi W0 L6 (ATP 1525 - ITF 91)
Julien Maes W0 L5 (ATP 526)
Go Soeda W0 L5 (ATP 192)
Josselin Ouanna W0 L5 (ATP 633)
Tiago Lopes W0 L5 (ATP 609)
Filippo Volandri W0 L5 (ATP 54)
Leonardo Mayer W0 L4 (ATP 233)
Andis Juska W0 L4 (ATP 387)
Valentin Sanon W0 L4 (ATP 604)
Matteo Viola W0 L4 (ATP 676)
Nicolas Grammare W0 L4
Fernando Vicente W0 L4 (ATP 114)
Artem Sitak W0 L4 (ATP 672)

So, yes, it is Volandri (ITA) who arguably has had the worst start this year followed by Vicente (ESP).

Wodonga
03-16-2007, 02:25 PM
I'm surprised Janko wasn't on this list. He was 0-6 before coming into this tournament. Now he's 2-7.;)

Sorry, but who's Janko ?