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Amazing comeback.. Ljubicic def Nalbandian 2-6 6-4 6-2

Headbump
03-13-2007, 11:36 PM
the man has heart. :worship:

Ljubicic for 6th time this year, drops the first set and wins.
5-2 vs David now and 4 straight

Ljubicic took a huge risk in the first...took at injury TO and had trainer out 2 more times...that was plently of time to get Nalbandian thinking about food. it worked...big reward for big risk taker ;)

scoobs
03-13-2007, 11:37 PM
Match of two halves. Ljubicic was struggling and David was great, then Ljubicic was great and Nalbandian was crap.

stebs
03-13-2007, 11:38 PM
Ljubicic was returning really well off his backhand in that final set. Hitting return winners over and over.

Hendu
03-13-2007, 11:38 PM
Match of two halves. Ljubicic was struggling and David was great, then Ljubicic was great and Nalbandian was crap.

good description.

Sjengster
03-13-2007, 11:38 PM
Good comeback, QF points from last year defended and he does have a reasonable chance against, presumably, Roddick in the next round. He's not going out of the Top 10 without a fight.

Deathless Mortal
03-13-2007, 11:39 PM
:banana: :smoke: :yeah: :bigclap: :woohoo:

Great comeback! Ljubo is the king!

Alonsofz
03-13-2007, 11:39 PM
Ljubo :worship:

PS: Headbump, you should change the title, I think that is very disrespectful for Nalbandian ;)

Galathea
03-13-2007, 11:39 PM
Congrats to Ljubo

Now, WTF Nalby? You just went out! And you even didn't look pissed off. Just "Oh, I'm losing". What was that?! At least yesterday he looked annoyed as hell and trowing rackets. Today he did it once I think...

TMJordan
03-13-2007, 11:39 PM
:haha: Daveed wanted somthing too eat after the first set so he stoped thinking of the match and thought of a nice large pizza.

Fergie
03-13-2007, 11:39 PM
Awesome Ivan :bigclap:

tripb19
03-13-2007, 11:40 PM
Smart Ljubo, threw the first set :yeah:

All I can say is I watched the whole match, and I'm glad they slowed the courts down at Wimbledon so that a Croat one-trick pony will never win it again, because it's nigh on unwatchable tennis.

Jaap
03-13-2007, 11:40 PM
Ljubicic injury fake was a masterstroke. Completely fazed Nalbandian out. :worship:

RickDaStick
03-13-2007, 11:40 PM
Fat Dave= PWNED

zicofirol
03-13-2007, 11:40 PM
nalbandian played like shit after the first set, his 1st serve % went down and he started missing everything...

Apemant
03-13-2007, 11:41 PM
Well done Ljubo :yeah:

But, another typical Dave :sad: first destroys the opponent in the first set, and then just goes downhill all the way. Last game he didn't even try to hold serve as if he mentally just gave up. :unsure:

Sjengster
03-13-2007, 11:42 PM
This is the third year in a row Nalbandian has lost in the last 16 at IW, he's never managed to make the quarters - I remember he lost very easily to Kiefer a couple of years ago. Of course, both he and Srichaphan then ran into Federer, a slightly different story here.

connectolove
03-13-2007, 11:42 PM
amazing in fact.

Galathea
03-13-2007, 11:42 PM
Match of two halves. Ljubicic was struggling and David was great, then Ljubicic was great and Nalbandian was crap.

Best definition ever.
How could Nalbo's serve got like that at the end? He doesn't have gray
Well, Ljubo was intelligent... he made the whole thing just to let Nalby win the first set... Nalby: you must NEVER win the first set :lol:

ChinoRios4Ever
03-13-2007, 11:43 PM
:bigclap: ljubo

Alonsofz
03-13-2007, 11:43 PM
PS: Headbump, you should change the title, I think that is very disrespectful for Nalbandian ;)

Thanks mate :)

Apemant
03-13-2007, 11:45 PM
Ljubicic injury fake was a masterstroke. Completely fazed Nalbandian out. :worship:

I award you 10 out of 10 points on my nasty trolls scale for this insinuation.

AFTER that injury timeout, he went on to lose another serve and the set as well. While you make it sound as if David stopped playing right after that incident. On the contrary, he played very well for the remainder of the set, and rather solid for the better half of the 2nd. I don't know why his level dropped, but that timeout definitely wasn't the reason.

RickDaStick
03-13-2007, 11:45 PM
Anyways where are the people who say Ljubo is on the way out of the top 20? You clowns just show up when he loses. Cowards!!

TennisLurker
03-13-2007, 11:46 PM
Dave was just bland the last 2 sets

Horatio Caine
03-13-2007, 11:47 PM
Nice win Ivan :yeah:

Not an "amazing" comeback ...I mean, he wasn't down a set and a break like he was against Falla :shrug:

Headbump
03-13-2007, 11:49 PM
Nice win Ivan :yeah:

Not an "amazing" comeback ...I mean, he wasn't down a set and a break like he was against Falla :shrug:

if you watched the first set, amazing is an understatment.:D

Galathea
03-13-2007, 11:49 PM
Dave was just bland the last 2 sets

Too much bland. It was like "if I can't win, okay" He didn't look pissed, annoyed like yesterday or at sunday. Not even impotent..... just bland

Julio1974
03-13-2007, 11:49 PM
Predictable defeat by Nalbandian. He seems to have lost the mental battle with Ljubicic.

my0118
03-13-2007, 11:49 PM
Nalbandian shoudn't have taken the first set.
Good win, Ljubicic.

croat123
03-13-2007, 11:50 PM
ljubo was well on his way to getting *****, but he held on and took control :yeah:

good luck vs. the duck or whoever you play next!

danton
03-13-2007, 11:52 PM
How can Dave can exepct to play 3 sets every match and go deep into the draw looking the way he is? His boobs and stomach are bigger than my friend who is 5 months pregnant.

Blue Heart24
03-13-2007, 11:52 PM
Ivan :worship: :worship: :banana: :yeah: :banana: :banana: :worship: :yeah:

He played poorly in the first set,I was so mad at him :mad:
But then,in the middle of the second he started to play very solid tennis,hitting a few winners,winning his serve easily and Dave had to battle hard for all his games.
Third set was :worship:
Especially the last game,when Ivan hit 3 consusetive backhand return winners to gain 3 mp's at 0-40,missed one and converted second.

danton
03-13-2007, 11:53 PM
ljubo was well on his way to getting *****, but he held on and took control :yeah:

good luck vs. the duck or whoever you play next!

I don't think ***** is the right word to describe it.

Galathea
03-13-2007, 11:56 PM
How can Dave can exepct to play 3 sets every match and go deep into the draw looking the way he is? His boobs and stomach are bigger than my friend who is 5 months pregnant.

He's in the same weight than when he reached SF at RG (twice, more in 2004 he was heavier than now) and almost the same that when he won MC 2005. By the way, when he made the argie team reach the final at the DC? he was heavier. Go and watch some picture of him with normal clothes before insulting because one thing is the normal joke and another what you wrote.. But you're an ass and have zero idea of what you're talking.

danton
03-13-2007, 11:58 PM
There is heavy with muscle and then there is clearly out of shape. For whatever reason he is out of shape. Sorry that offends you. Maybe you should let David know.

Apemant
03-13-2007, 11:59 PM
Good comeback, QF points from last year defended and he does have a reasonable chance against, presumably, Roddick in the next round. He's not going out of the Top 10 without a fight.

True that, but chances of him remaining in the top 10 at Wimbledon time are rather slim. Way too many points to defend with all the dangerous people around looking for a place in top 10... just consult the table Judio posted in his thread; doesn't look good at all for Ljubo :unsure:

RickDaStick
03-14-2007, 12:01 AM
True that, but chances of him remaining in the top 10 at Wimbledon time are rather slim. Way too many points to defend with all the dangerous people around looking for a place in top 10... just consult the table Judio posted in his thread; doesn't look good at all for Ljubo :unsure:

Well its pretty much a given he will drop out of the top 10 by that time but there should be no reason he doesnt come back. Not many points to defend after Wimbledon.

danton
03-14-2007, 12:03 AM
True that, but chances of him remaining in the top 10 at Wimbledon time are rather slim. Way too many points to defend with all the dangerous people around looking for a place in top 10... just consult the table Judio posted in his thread; doesn't look good at all for Ljubo :unsure:

Ouch nearly 1,000 points. Not a good time to be injured.

jocaputs
03-14-2007, 12:03 AM
nalbandian will be out of top 30 by the end of season

Havok
03-14-2007, 12:05 AM
Joke #1 def. Joke #2. This match was handed to the fat ass and he fucked it up. Lame lame lame serving when serving to stay in the second set, then completely fell apart in the 3rd. So much for this guy's amazing fighting spirit :help:. He should have been knocked out a long time ago. Ljubicic needs to go down in the next round wheather it be Roddick or Gasquet he faces.

danton
03-14-2007, 12:06 AM
nalbandian will be out of top 30 by the end of season

He has no points for his fifth tournament - very handy and I doubt he will drop out of the top 20 until late in his career. Too talented for that.

Sjengster
03-14-2007, 12:07 AM
I don't think ***** is the right word to describe it.

***** is never the right word to describe anything in sport, a pity a lot of people don't feel the same way.

Apemant
03-14-2007, 12:08 AM
By the way, when he made the argie team reach the final at the DC? he was heavier. Go and watch some picture of him with normal clothes before insulting because one thing is the normal joke and another what you wrote.. But you're an ass and have zero idea of what you're talking.

I also don't think it has anything to do with him being out of shape. I just don't understand where his RoS disappeared after the 1st set. He was brutally attacking Ljubo's 2nd serves (even 1st ones sometimes), winning them comfortably and I don't think it was a part of Ljubo's psychological game with him. What can you do when he hits a strong, pinpoint precise shot on your 2nd serve that goes right into a corner? Ljubo even managed to catch a few of these only to give them back to David for easy dispatching.

But after the 1st set he just mysteriously stopped doing it, and I don't really believe Ljubo's 2nd serve suddenly became that much better. So what happened? :confused:

danton
03-14-2007, 12:09 AM
***** is never the right word to describe anything in sport, a pity a lot of people don't feel the same way.

I thought it might be down to translation but I had to say something. It's not a word you use casually like that.

Sjengster
03-14-2007, 12:12 AM
Nothing to do with translation, I've seen it used enough times by British posters on here.

Galathea
03-14-2007, 12:13 AM
There is heavy with muscle and then there is clearly out of shape. For whatever reason he is out of shape. Sorry that offends you. Maybe you should let David know.

I'm not saying he's 100% in shape (he is still doing pre-season works due to injury), I'm saying that what you said was offensive and I think there were some warnings here because some bashing comments/comparisons about some players (specially women)
Also, he was heavier in the past and getting great results. If you don't know who and why his team made him gain weight, during 2005 don't be so fast to make judgements (more when he lost some weight, they made him recover it). I don't agree with what Barrionuevo (former PT until the last month) made him do, but it's a theory that worked with a lot of players and worked for him in the past. From what I heard he's going to change that aspect in the future but not lose to many weight. (new people, new "theory")
And when I saw him in Madrid he was heavier than now for example, and he was solid and hard in the abdominal area and upper part (not that I touched too much...his brother bumped me by accident and I almost end in the floor but he caugth me before ;) )

danton
03-14-2007, 12:18 AM
I'm not saying he's 100% in shape (he is still doing pre-season works due to injury), I'm saying that what you said was offensive and I think there were some warnings here because some bashing comments/comparisons about some players (specially women)
Also, he was heavier in the past and getting great results. If you don't know who and why his team made him gain weight, during 2005 don't be so fast to make judgements. I don't agree with what Barrionuevo (former PT until the last month) made him do, but it's a theory that worked with a lot of players and worked for him in the past.
And when I saw him in Madrid he was heavier than now for example, and he was solid and hard in the abdominal area and upper part (not that I touched too much...his brother bumped me by accident and I almost end in the floor but he caugth me before ;) )

I said he looked bigger than my friend who is 5 months pregnant - sorry but he does.

Have you seen what others have written about him - I am surprised your complaining about me and not others.

Here is one from the same page as my comments - I think it's worse than mine by far? Also in a later post I defended David. I think you're picking on the wrong person.

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Joke #1 def. Joke #2. This match was handed to the fat ass and he fucked it up. Lame lame lame serving when serving to stay in the second set, then completely fell apart in the 3rd. So much for this guy's amazing fighting spirit . He should have been knocked out a long time ago. Ljubicic needs to go down in the next round wheather it be Roddick or Gasquet he faces.

danton
03-14-2007, 12:20 AM
Nothing to do with translation, I've seen it used enough times by British posters on here.

If so then that's digraceful.

tennismaster882001
03-14-2007, 12:20 AM
Nice win Ivan, predictable though after all! :shrug:
I hope he'll play Roddick, Gasquet would be much tougher draw! :)
I hope this thread won't turn into one of those pathetic and boring Ljubicic threads! :tape:

martinatreue
03-14-2007, 12:22 AM
Anyways where are the people who say Ljubo is on the way out of the top 20? You clowns just show up when he loses. Cowards!!
Great post!! :worship:

tripb19
03-14-2007, 12:31 AM
nalbandian will be out of top 30 by the end of season

Yeah with guys like Almagro, Verdasco and Wawrinka snapping at the heels of the Top 30 :o Why don't you go learn something about tennis and come back.

Galathea
03-14-2007, 12:31 AM
Is nothing personal against you, sorry if it sounded like that, really. But often people talks when they know nothing about reasons But yeah there are a lot of posts (in the past there were discussions and deleted threads for him, Roddick at some moment about some pooch) and is worst when is about female players (not to mention Federer's gilrfriend).
Even as fans we can make jokes, but I think there are limits, but again, sorry if it sounded harsh against you, just not liking the comparison for other reasons that has nothing to do with Nalbo

(and before some troll make a comment, I have not overweight problems: more than 1,70 and 53 kg.)

*Viva Chile*
03-14-2007, 12:32 AM
Ljubo :yeah:

hammett
03-14-2007, 12:35 AM
My respects for Ljubicic :)
He stayed in the match despite his knee? problems serving out of his mind and then killed David's weak ass serve to win it.

Wasn't last years match almost the same? I mean,Ljubo injured, Nalbo winning the first set and then downhill from there? Damn what a choker is this guy. :mad: . how many times did this happened in his career? :o .

But then, he is the only one capable of winning something big between the argies.

adee-gee
03-14-2007, 12:36 AM
Nalbandian :cuckoo:

Why did he keep hitting to Ljubicic's backhand when Ljubicic could barely put a forehand in court? :retard:

Sjengster
03-14-2007, 12:39 AM
Well he does love breaking opponents down in backhand to backhand rallies since he has one of the best in the game, it doesn't always work however.

zicofirol
03-14-2007, 12:41 AM
Nalbandian shoudn't have taken the first set.
Good win, Ljubicic.

what match where you watching , he was on fire the first set...

adee-gee
03-14-2007, 12:41 AM
Well he does love breaking opponents down in backhand to backhand rallies since he has one of the best in the game, it doesn't always work however.

There was no need to. There wasn't even a need for a rally, all he had to do was hit the ball to Ljubicic's forehand and he almost always got an error. It really was as simple as that, yet he felt the need to keep hitting to his backhand.

Atrocious tank in the last game as well.

tennismaster882001
03-14-2007, 12:41 AM
My respects for Ljubicic :)
He stayed in the match despite his knee? problems serving out of his mind and then killed David's weak ass serve to win it.

Wasn't last years match almost the same? I mean,Ljubo injured, Nalbo winning the first set and then downhill from there? Damn what a choker is this guy. :mad: . how many times did this happened in his career? :o .

But then, he is the only one capable of winning something big between the argies.

Ljubicic had problems with his knee!?:eek:
I thought it was because of blisters!:confused:
Can someone tell me the truth? Thanks!

Johnny Groove
03-14-2007, 12:44 AM
Fat Dave :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

tripb19
03-14-2007, 12:45 AM
Ljubo pulled up badly hitting a stationary 1H BH in one of the first few games (might have been the 4th). It was his knee, but it went away pretty quickly (after first set).

Galathea
03-14-2007, 12:46 AM
Ljubicic had problems with his knee!?:eek:
I thought it was because of blisters!:confused:
Can someone tell me the truth? Thanks!

He made a bad movement serving 1-3 at the first set. He called trainner.
He got massages on his right knee (two times). Then he started to recuperate and have more movement during the second set. And more important he started to serve well.
There was no band or more work than massages, It looked like something of the moment than something serious. Hope is nothing.

Apemant
03-14-2007, 12:49 AM
Nalbandian :cuckoo:

Why did he keep hitting to Ljubicic's backhand when Ljubicic could barely put a forehand in court? :retard:

I wonder the same... and not just David. Most people seem unaware of how shaky Ljubo's FH is.

In fact, the strategy to beat Ljubo is simple:

1. be patient. His serve WILL drop a bit at a certain point in a set, so just wait for the chance and don't lose nerve.
2. in a rally, attack his forehand. A strong, deep shot on his FH side is all but a guaranteed point for you.
3. if facing a break point anyway, don't try anything fancy; just don't hit an UE. Ljubo will NOT attack you, in fact, he will try to patiently wait for you to make an UE. So no need to go for hard shots; keep the ball in play, go to the FH side and eventually he will UE himself.

It really doesn't sound complicated to me :angel:

RickDaStick
03-14-2007, 12:55 AM
I wonder the same... and not just David. Most people seem unaware of how shaky Ljubo's FH is.

In fact, the strategy to beat Ljubo is simple:

1. be patient. His serve WILL drop a bit at a certain point in a set, so just wait for the chance and don't lose nerve.
2. in a rally, attack his forehand. A strong, deep shot on his FH side is all but a guaranteed point for you.
3. if facing a break point anyway, don't try anything fancy; just don't hit an UE. Ljubo will NOT attack you, in fact, he will try to patiently wait for you to make an UE. So no need to go for hard shots; keep the ball in play, go to the FH side and eventually he will UE himself.

It really doesn't sound complicated to me :angel:


Have you looked into a career in coaching. No way these coaches and players can know more than you:rolleyes: You could be the next Brad Gilbert.

tennismaster882001
03-14-2007, 01:00 AM
He made a bad movement serving 1-3 at the first set. He called trainner.
He got massages on his right knee (two times). Then he started to recuperate and have more movement during the second set. And more important he started to serve well.
There was no band or more work than massages, It looked like something of the moment than something serious. Hope is nothing.

Thanks! It doesn't sound serious!:)

I wonder the same... and not just David. Most people seem unaware of how shaky Ljubo's FH is.

In fact, the strategy to beat Ljubo is simple:

1. be patient. His serve WILL drop a bit at a certain point in a set, so just wait for the chance and don't lose nerve.
2. in a rally, attack his forehand. A strong, deep shot on his FH side is all but a guaranteed point for you.
3. if facing a break point anyway, don't try anything fancy; just don't hit an UE. Ljubo will NOT attack you, in fact, he will try to patiently wait for you to make an UE. So no need to go for hard shots; keep the ball in play, go to the FH side and eventually he will UE himself.

It really doesn't sound complicated to me :angel:

Only in computer game this would be possible! :lol:

tripb19
03-14-2007, 01:00 AM
Have you looked into a career in coaching. No way these coaches and players can know more than you:rolleyes: You could be the next Brad Gilbert.

Looking at the game today, Apemant is spot on. Dave went completely the opposite tactic like a :retard:

RickDaStick
03-14-2007, 01:02 AM
Looking at the game today, Apemant is spot on. Dave went completely the opposite tactic like a :drool:

Sure especially since ljubos knee stopped him from hitting the forehand the way he wants to but you have to think the coaches and players know more about tennis than we the fans.

Apemant
03-14-2007, 01:05 AM
Have you looked into a career in coaching. No way these coaches and players can know more than you:rolleyes: You could be the next Brad Gilbert.

Oh come on. I actually like Ljubo, and don't have anything against him. This post was actually a bit of sarcasm among other things. If you watched the match you must have noticed how timid Ljubo was when he had break opportunities. Also, at a certain point in the 2nd set, there was this statistics on Ljubo's FH: 13 UEs, 2 winners. Next, it's a known fact that Ljubo's serve just doesn't work for certain short periods: it's not at all uncommon for him to hit all 2nd serves in a game (often resulting in a break), only to hit like 4 aces in the next. So my post summarized those facts in a neat little algorithm. :angel: I'm not saying its trivial to execute that plan; otherwise Ljubo wouldn't win his 300-ish ATP matches, now would he?

I could make a similar algorithm to beat Nadal, it would actually be even shorter. :devil: But none of it means it's easy to pull it off. Don't take it as an insult to Ljubo's skills or his intelligence or ability to adapt.

Apemant
03-14-2007, 01:16 AM
Sure especially since ljubos knee stopped him from hitting the forehand the way he wants to but you have to think the coaches and players know more about tennis than we the fans.

Of course they do, but we also have common sense, don't we? I don't need a coach to tell me Ljubo has an amazing serve, for instance. In fact, if an expert claimed its no big deal at all, I'd rather trust my eyes than his expert opinion. I've watched plenty of Ljubo's matches this year, and if you did the same, can you really claim that his FH wasn't shaky more often than not? I'm just being real here.
And I'm not saying he's useless on that side or that he can't hit a winner in a million years. In fact, in a normal rally you must hit a FH more than once, so even if you have lots of FH UEs, it still doesn't mean you miss them more than like 5-10% of the time. But it definitely isn't a weapon like Fed's or Gonzo's, or even Roddick's. His BH, however, is excellent, among the best (when he's in form). Do we really need coaches to tell us that? I have faith in my own pair of eyes...

GlennMirnyi
03-14-2007, 01:16 AM
I wonder the same... and not just David. Most people seem unaware of how shaky Ljubo's FH is.

In fact, the strategy to beat Ljubo is simple:

1. be patient. His serve WILL drop a bit at a certain point in a set, so just wait for the chance and don't lose nerve.
2. in a rally, attack his forehand. A strong, deep shot on his FH side is all but a guaranteed point for you.
3. if facing a break point anyway, don't try anything fancy; just don't hit an UE. Ljubo will NOT attack you, in fact, he will try to patiently wait for you to make an UE. So no need to go for hard shots; keep the ball in play, go to the FH side and eventually he will UE himself.

It really doesn't sound complicated to me :angel:

Great strategy, big boy. You could be the next Gilbert. :lol:

LinkMage
03-14-2007, 01:17 AM
Ljubicic tanked the 1st set so that Nalbandian couldn't pull off one of his comebacks.

jayjay
03-14-2007, 01:18 AM
Anyways where are the people who say Ljubo is on the way out of the top 20? You clowns just show up when he loses. Cowards!!

Cowards? :lol:

It's a message board, little boy. Chill out a little, especially when you can be seen trolling whenever those players you dislike lose and are nowhere to be seen on other occasions.

Good win for Ljubicic, Nalbandian winning the 1st set must have confused him, he's not used to that kind of thing. Alot to think about in the heat.

GlennMirnyi
03-14-2007, 01:22 AM
After disappearing after Canas was schooled by Moya, now the Argies disappear because Ljubo (or as they say "only-serve") has beaten fat Dave again. :lol:

RickDaStick
03-14-2007, 01:23 AM
After disappearing after Canas was schooled by Moya, now the Argies disappear because Ljubo (or as they say "only-serve") has beaten fat Dave again. :lol:


I think they all went to the post office to send Canas some more syringes after Chela stole them again.

ezekiel
03-14-2007, 01:23 AM
Looks like Ivan made another nice comeback . Nalby sent packing and it opens place for Nole to sneak into top 10 :)

jayjay
03-14-2007, 01:23 AM
After disappearing after Canas was schooled by Moya, now the Argies disappear because Ljubo (or as they say "only-serve") has beaten fat Dave again. :lol:

Right here, little man. :wavey:

Johnny Groove
03-14-2007, 01:25 AM
.....strategy..................................... ...Gilbert. :lol:

Why are these words being used together?

Apemant
03-14-2007, 01:27 AM
Great strategy, big boy. You could be the next Gilbert. :lol:

Crap, seems my light hearted attempt at being humorous failed miserably.

That always reminds me of Homer Simpson: Kids, you tried your best and failed miserably. The lesson is, never try. :devil:

tangerine_dream
03-14-2007, 01:34 AM
Smart Ljubo, threw the first set :yeah:
I hope you're being sarcastic. :lol: Ljubo's not nearly good enough to throw sets as a measure of strategy.

Apemant
03-14-2007, 01:36 AM
I hope you're being sarcastic. :lol: Ljubo's not nearly good enough to throw sets as a measure of strategy.

Noone is. :ras:

Sjengster
03-14-2007, 01:39 AM
Noone is. :ras:

Gaudio has been smart enough to do this on a regular basis. Strategic genius at work. :cool:

brent-o
03-14-2007, 01:39 AM
DAMNIT, I guess some higher power just wants us to never see a Nalbandian-Nadal match-up.

GlennMirnyi
03-14-2007, 01:46 AM
Right here, little man. :wavey:

:hug:

Why are these words being used together?

Because Gilbert was always known for being a clown technically (in league with Nadal/Murray/Roddick and so on) and could only win matches on strategy.

I hope you're being sarcastic. :lol: Ljubo's not nearly good enough to throw sets as a measure of strategy.

Roddick is. He threw a set against Federer down under and then Federer enjoyed the practice. :lol:

tangerine_dream
03-14-2007, 01:53 AM
Roddick is. He threw a set against Federer down under and then Federer enjoyed the practice. :lol:
:zzz: You need to work on your Arse Clown skills, even IvanLjubicic is out-trolling you. :lol:

GlennMirnyi
03-14-2007, 01:57 AM
:zzz: You need to work on your Arse Clown skills, even IvanLjubicic is out-trolling you. :lol:

Beating clowns like Roddick and Nadal is no fun anymore. They lose to no-ones, I don't have to say much about it. ;)

Julio1974
03-14-2007, 02:44 AM
After disappearing after Canas was schooled by Moya, now the Argies disappear because Ljubo (or as they say "only-serve") has beaten fat Dave again. :lol:

lol I posted before you in this thread. Nothing to be surprised about this result.

keqtqiadv
03-14-2007, 02:59 AM
:retard:

RickDaStick
03-14-2007, 03:00 AM
Q. I suggested to you yesterday you might want to let Nalbandian win the first set?
IVAN LJUBICIC: Thanks for the advice.

Q. You're welcome.
IVAN LJUBICIC: No, I didn't let him win. I just had some problems with my knee in the beginning, couldn't really run, couldn't put any anything on that right leg. So for me it's a little bit strange, because I never had a problem with my legs at all. If there's something wrong, it's always my shoulder or my back and never my legs.
So for me, it was a little bit difficult to get used to that. And I called the trainer, Bill, brought me some kind of cream against the pain. He said, If you can stay there long enough, it's going to be a little better later, and that's what happened.
I kind of just tried not think about it. But I think if -- I was thinking in the beginning of the second set, if I lose the serve, I'm just going to retire, because I didn't know how bad can it be if I keep playing. But, you know, fortunately I managed to hold serve long enough to put the pressure on David's serve winning the second, I think the third set was pretty much under control.

Q. So you were one service break away from retirement?
IVAN LJUBICIC: Yes. Yes, that's what I was thinking.

Q. Do they know what it is?
IVAN LJUBICIC: Well, they said inflammation of the tendon, the patella tendon. I mean, they said it shouldn't be too bad. Sometimes it goes away straight away; sometimes it stays there for years. I mean, I hope it's not gonna be that bad. But now it's already better now.
I was having treatment all the way till now, ice, massage, and antiinflammatory, and it does feel a little better now already. So tomorrow, day off, it's gonna -- I'm gonna enjoy it more than what I was thinking.

Q. Which knee is it, right or left?
IVAN LJUBICIC: Right. Right knee.

Q. You're going to play doubles?
IVAN LJUBICIC: No, we pulled out from doubles because it could make it worse. It doesn't make sense. I mean, I spoke with Thomas. He understand the situation, so I'm sorry. I wanted to play, really, and I hope that next week in Miami we're gonna have another chance.

Q. You lost to Federer the last two years. Now you might face Roddick. Do you like your chances are better this time around?
IVAN LJUBICIC: Well, I mean, Roger being out doesn't help me much, unless I get to the final. But the draw, it's very difficult, Nalbandian, probably Andy, and then Rafa in semis is possible. So it's not -- it's not any easier. But of course, I would prefer Andy to Roger, I mean, anyone than Roger.
But Andy is playing great tennis. He's playing as good or maybe better than 2003 when he was the best player in the world, so it's going to be real interesting to see if he's going to manage to win tonight's match. And if yes, then how he's gonna play against me. I'm curious to see, because at Master Cup, he was playing real, real well. He was serving unbelievable, and I want to see if he can -- if he's still playing that well or it's just, you know, maybe just using his confidence.

Q. If I had to assess the match, it looked like you served bigger and you were 10 to 15 miles an hour faster than he is, put the pressure on him. Is that a correct assessment?
IVAN LJUBICIC: Well, I mean, I think every player in the world use his weapon and -- weapons. My serve is my weapon. I have to make as many points as I can with that. And, of course, for him it's completely different story. He wants to rally as much as he wants.
So I think in the first set, I was trying to maybe stay a little bit back and make him play a little bit more, just to see if he's -- if he's ready to hit all the winners, but he was. So in the second set, I decided to step in and try to swing a little bit more, the returns, and take more risk. And I think that worked pretty well.
Especially in the third set, you know, when I started to step in and hit the second serves, he was also missing more first serves than in the beginning. So that worked pretty well. And, of course, I was serving much better in second set than the first.

Q. Your history seems to be that except in the Davis Cup, you've played much better in Europe than you have in this country. Is there any reason, do you suppose, for that? Have you figured that out?
IVAN LJUBICIC: I mean, I like conditions here. I mean, that's no secret. I mean, the ball bounce pretty high and fast conditions. I think there is a little bit altitude here, if I'm not wrong, and in dry conditions, it's fairly quick. I mean, the ball goes through the air fairly quick, but of course, it's also for me it's the perfect combination.
As we mentioned before, last two years, I lost to Roger and he's not around anymore, so maybe, you know, I can go all the way. But, of course, I'm confident, but it's not going to be easy. But I do like the conditions here. They are just perfect for my game.

Q. Were you part of the group of 19 top players that signed the letter that was sent to the ITF about moving the Davis Cup?
IVAN LJUBICIC: Of course.

Q. The schedule?
IVAN LJUBICIC: Yeah.

Q. Seemed resistant to do that in light of sort of what's been going on with the round-robin. I'm just wondering what your feelings are?
IVAN LJUBICIC: About Davis Cup week?

Q. Just leadership in the sport, the ATP. I mean, are you --
IVAN LJUBICIC: It's two completely different things. ATP is always trying to do something new, trying to improve the sport. ITF is sitting there waiting, you know, ATP to do things and just kind of resisting on anything, any change. They never want to accept any changes, even the positive ones, like, I think super tiebreaker in doubles and stuff like that. So two completely different things.
But I don't mind testing things and trying things. The round-robin, we tested it. We figured out it's not working, so we probably gonna get rid of it. I have, you know, I think at the end, it's a good leader and I think in the future we gonna improve our sport, trying to improve it, not just, you know, sitting there and waiting to see what's gonna happen.
The idea, of course, is in the position to sit with the grand slams and Davis Cup, two great competitions, they can't do that. You know, I just sometimes feel angry and disappointed that when the players are asking something, especially 19 of top 20, you know, that they just don't want to listen to it. But it looks like they finally realized that's a very important issue for the players and for the health of the players. And I hope for the next year, we gonna have Davis Cup right after the slams.

Q. Was there an exhibition you played with Goran in Sarajevo?
IVAN LJUBICIC: Yes.

Q. Well, I assume it was emotional for you to go to the old country. How is Goran, how is he?
IVAN LJUBICIC: It was beautiful. Maybe the best time I had in the last, I don't know how long. I mean, it was fantastic. It was very emotional, and the people really were very happy to see us playing, and we had great fun. And Goran, it's very good. He's -- he told me, like, I'm serving better than ever. I said, Okay. Let's see.
And he is really smacking that ball better than ever. It's just he can't do it more than an hour because his shoulder is falling apart, but for that first hour, it's impressive, I have to say. He would still be competitive, I think, on a professional tour.

Q. If you don't mind to follow-up on this, Croatia is doing great in tennis. Serbia is coming up, too. What's Bosnia doing? You were born there. Just tell --
IVAN LJUBICIC: I have no idea. For me, it's difficult to talk about something that I really don't know. I mean, I don't know if -- I don't think it's about facility or it's about anything because I don't think there's any difference between Bosnia, Croatia, or Serbia. It's just that, I don't know, it takes time.
I think they had some priorities in the last ten years, and that was not tennis. So I think it's gonna take time for the country to get up and together with sports, tennis, of course.
I think it's because we are all similar. I mean, at the end of the day, it's not like there's a big difference between Bosnia, Serbia, Croatia, physically or mentally. We all one country just 20 years ago. So many of us were born already, and I think it's just mentally, what I said, the priorities were different and that's -- you have to feel it.

Q. What was the score between you and Goran?
IVAN LJUBICIC: 6-4, for him, 6-3, for me, so we played super tiebreaker. We stopped at 8-all (Laugher). We decided to split, because -- and I said, like, I never play draw in my life in tennis, and probably I will never. So it felt like that's fair. We didn't want to -- because it was charity exhibition. All our money we gave to the kids in Sarajevo, kids with cancer. So we felt like, you know, if one or the other win, then people will talk about the result. We didn't want to do that.
So we just said we didn't have -- we didn't pay for the court any longer than a half hour. We just walked away (laughter).

Q. Did you play hard?
IVAN LJUBICIC: We played hard, yeah, well, most of it. Of course we played some fun points, but, I mean, the court was unplayable. It was so fast. It was ridiculous. He likes it, of course. But, I mean, again, I think he, on those courts, if the courts are this fast, he could play with anyone. It's just that those courts doesn't exist anymore.

Q. Just getting back to that point about Davis Cup, the argument the ITF puts forward is that by having it straight up against a Grand Slam, there's less chance of getting the big name players to play those earlier rounds.
IVAN LJUBICIC: Yeah.

Q. Whereas if there is that week's gap, it gives them a bit of a break, and then there's a bit more of a chance. What's your view on that?
IVAN LJUBICIC: Well, my feeling is that if the players are saying this is better for us, I don't see why the ITF thinks differently. I mean, if Roger, Rafa, or Andy, James, anyone, everybody is saying, Listen, we would prefer to have it right after slams, we would. We would play maybe more. And I don't see why the ITF is saying, No, we don't.
It's the truth. I think we had a problem this year, for example, if it stays like this, we gonna have more and more problem. Roger didn't play; Rafa didn't play. Davydenko didn't play; Nalbandian didn't play.
So I think it's getting worse and worse, because I think the sport is getting more and more physical, and having that gap right after a slam, because in the case that it is right after the slam, so there are only two players who don't have a week between the matches and the Davis Cup. So the two finalists. So let's say --

Q. So it would be four, really, because you'd have to go to the semifinals, the semifinal is like the second Friday or the second Saturday?
IVAN LJUBICIC: Okay. So from Friday to Friday, that's a week. I think it's -- it makes more sense than going, I don't know, playing for me, playing Zagreb, then going to Chile to play away, and then go back to Europe to play indoors. I would prefer just to go straight from Australia, then to Chile and focus on my two events. I just see it that way.
I mean, but for me, it's not always difficult to talk because I already said I'm not going to play Davis Cup anymore. I can just say that that's what is my feeling, and I would prefer to see it that way for other guys. Because we are talking in locker room a lot about it, and everybody feels the same way.
So we'll see. I mean, I think we should try again. I mean, I have -- again, I have no problems about testing. I have no problems about trying. So let's try one or two years and see if the players are playing more or less. If the players are playing less, let's go back and see, but I really -- I really feel like if 19 out of 20 say that we would like to see this and that one that didn't sign actually misunderstand the question, then, you know - that's what happened actually - then I don't see why we shouldn't at least try and see if, you know, that's going to make any positive changes.
Because Davis Cup, it's too important as competition not to try to make best out of it.

Q. Who misunderstood?
IVAN LJUBICIC: Well, the guy who didn't sign. Obviously not natural English-speaking person.

Q. I got in here a bit late. You were talking about your knee. Did you step wrong or did you --
IVAN LJUBICIC: No, no, no. It came slowly, slowly. This morning I felt a little bit, but during the first set, it was -- it was really sore. But this cream that Bill rubbed in really helped a lot, and he told me, like, don't worry. Because the first thing I asked was, Can it get really worse or can I hurt badly.
He said, No, it's just inflammation. If you can handle the pain, it's gonna be all right.
He said, like, Probably the longer you are on court, it's gonna be better, and that's exactly what happened.
Thank you.

RickDaStick
03-14-2007, 03:11 AM
I wonder who was the only top 20 player who misunderstood the question and voted against it.

GlennMirnyi
03-14-2007, 03:20 AM
I wonder who was the only top 20 player who misunderstood the question and voted against it.

Roddick? :p

RickDaStick
03-14-2007, 03:24 AM
Roddick? :p

well Ivan said it was a non natural english speaking person. My guess would be Rafa. That guy really struggles with the english language.

GlennMirnyi
03-14-2007, 03:27 AM
well Ivan said it was a non natural english speaking person. My guess would be Rafa. That guy really struggles with the english language.

You didn't get my joke. :p

For real, Davydenko or Nadal. The latter has developed a new version of English: "no, no?", "yes, no?", "what, no?", "where, no?", "maybe, no?".

Merton
03-14-2007, 03:31 AM
Good fight from Ivan in this match, David mysteriously went away in the 3rd.

Merton
03-14-2007, 03:33 AM
You didn't get my joke. :p

For real, Davydenko or Nadal. The latter has developed a new version of English: "no, no?", "yes, no?", "what, no?", "where, no?", "maybe, no?".

It could also be Robredo or Ferrer but it doesn't really matter, Ivan makes it seem like a language misunderstanding.

Headbump
03-14-2007, 03:35 AM
:eek: Ljubicic said some nice stuff about Andy :lol:

jayjay
03-14-2007, 04:09 AM
For real, Davydenko or Nadal. The latter has developed a new version of English: "no, no?", "yes, no?", "what, no?", "where, no?", "maybe, no?".

Obviously it's not Nadal, seeing as Ljubicic already mentioned him in the interview as being in favour of this motion.

My guess is Blake.

Sparko1030
03-14-2007, 04:44 AM
:yeah: Ivan!!!

RickDaStick
03-14-2007, 04:45 AM
Obviously it's not Nadal, seeing as Ljubicic already mentioned him in the interview as being in favour of this motion.

My guess is Blake.

Well obviously its not Blake either because he mentioned him right after Nadal.

Hola Mr. SK
03-14-2007, 06:52 AM
Good effort from Bandy, he suddenly realized after the openning set that he already had nothing to defend... :silly:
props to Ljubo, it's the 2nd time he fought back from a set down against Dave.

Apemant
03-14-2007, 09:50 AM
:eek: Ljubicic said some nice stuff about Andy :lol:

Yeah, great interview. I don't get people who say he has no class. Quite the contrary, he is pure class for someone who is so open and sincere, who doesn't put much into PR or nice words which obviously contradict his feelings. Doesn't seem to hide his real opinion if he feels negative about anything, be it Andy's behaviour on court, or David's work ethics. So when he makes a compliment, at least you can take it for real, and not some kind of cheap flattery. I like that.

Ljubo :yeah:

RonE
03-14-2007, 10:00 AM
Nice! At least now we get one of the quarterfinal match ups we were hoping for- Ljubo-Roddick.

And I am sure Roddick would be much happier playing Ljubo rather than fat Dave considering their last meeting :help:

Joyce_23
03-14-2007, 10:14 AM
Well done by Ivan here, I knew this was going to happen once Dave won the first. Never a good sign...:lol: Still wonder what the hell happened to him in the third though? :confused: He played awful in that set. Anyway, Ljubo-Roddick is a match I'm really looking forward to.

almouchie
03-14-2007, 10:20 AM
was it a good
nalby seems to be in these kind of (struggles) matchse a lot
he doesnt win the majority either

could be the Ljubicic is great at 3 sets matches & not 5 set matches (apart from Davis cup) that he cant cut it in Grand slams??? thinking smiley

Apemant
03-14-2007, 10:21 AM
Well done by Ivan here, I knew this was going to happen once Dave won the first.

:hug: It must have been a really bad day for you... first David, then JCF :sad:

I♥PsY@Mus!c
03-14-2007, 11:34 AM
Nice comeback,Ivan :yeah:
Also I really enjoy his interview,never say nonsense! :clap2:

yomike
03-14-2007, 01:32 PM
Sorry David but Ivan owns you now. This result at least nullifies JC's pathetic performance and Richard's loss to that !@@.

guille&tati4life
03-14-2007, 01:36 PM
Nalby :awww: in all the other games he's started crap and become good. In this one he started good and became crap :hug: :sad:

RickDaStick
03-14-2007, 04:16 PM
Yeah, great interview. I don't get people who say he has no class. Quite the contrary, he is pure class for someone who is so open and sincere, who doesn't put much into PR or nice words which obviously contradict his feelings. Doesn't seem to hide his real opinion if he feels negative about anything, be it Andy's behaviour on court, or David's work ethics. So when he makes a compliment, at least you can take it for real, and not some kind of cheap flattery. I like that.

Ljubo :yeah:

Ivan has more class than 95 % of the guys on tour. Yet people only look at the few times where he said something he shouldnt off. Eventhough he was right for instance with Nalbys work ethic he still probably shouldnt off said it.

jazar
03-14-2007, 04:28 PM
fat dave was dominating the first set, then popped out for a burger

Bibberz
03-14-2007, 05:00 PM
fat dave was dominating the first set, then popped out for a burger

Seriously. And why does Nalbandian wear such tight t-shirts? He needs to move a size up or just get a few custom made. He wouldn't look so "fat" if he wasn't wearing a M/L.

Jadranka
03-14-2007, 05:10 PM
:woohoo: :worship:

Apemant
03-14-2007, 05:42 PM
Ivan has more class than 95 % of the guys on tour. Yet people only look at the few times where he said something he shouldnt off. Eventhough he was right for instance with Nalbys work ethic he still probably shouldnt off said it.

It's 'shouldn't have'... but I've seen native Americans who also spell it 'shouldn't of' so it's okay. ;)

As for Ljubo's bluntness, I certainly don't mind it. And I don't think he shouldn't have said it. Yes, it earned him disrespect and dislike from certain shallow people. Not saying that earning my respect is worth a dime, on the other hand - it's just that saying the truth is such a rare beast these days. Everything is PR now, even among commoners, let alone professional sport or movie stars. So it's great when someone actually speaks their mind, even if it hurts certain sensitive ears.

zine56
03-14-2007, 06:36 PM
Eventhough he was right for instance with Nalbys work ethic he still probably shouldnt off said it.

eh? when did he say this? do u have a link? http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r189/zine56/TFR234.gif

Apemant
03-14-2007, 07:08 PM
eh? when did he say this? do u have a link? http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r189/zine56/TFR234.gif

Awesome smiley you got there :worship:

TennisLurker
03-14-2007, 09:26 PM
Did he say something about fat daves work ethic? I missed it

Apemant
03-14-2007, 11:11 PM
Did he say something about fat daves work ethic? I missed it

Tried to find it on the Net but couldn't. I seem to recall something from before their match in Shanghai 2005, I think he said something in lines that David is a huge talent but too lazy and not focused on tennis enough. Then tomorrow Dave beat him 2-2, that's why I remember the whole thing.

Dunno where I got it actually. Maybe someone posted it here on MTF, can't say. At any rate, it wasn't anything recent in case you got it that way.

Sjengster
03-15-2007, 12:18 AM
That's right, in fact he added after the comments on Nalbandian's work ethic, "And that's the kind of player I can't respect" - which of course looked terrible the next day after that sound thrashing. I actually think he has a good point, bearing in mind he's clearly way less talented and has had to work very hard to reach his full potential in the last two years, it must annoy him to think of a more gifted player not trying to get the most out of his game. But maybe it was one of those examples where tact would have been preferable to absolute honesty, I think players should strike a balance between the two in interviews. Still, Ljubicic manages to give some of the best, most insightful interviews on tour without being a laugh a minute like Roddick or Safin, so he's doing something right.

tripb19
03-15-2007, 12:26 AM
Very-talented, lazy players are way more fun to support than hard-working, less talented players. Guys like Safin and Nalby are like immature Jedi padawans who could do something amazing with the force at any time, the latter are like sturdy droids.

Sjengster
03-15-2007, 12:30 AM
I support both depending on who the player is, so there's no automatic preference for me.