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Ljubicic-Nalbandian Who will win?

RickDaStick
03-13-2007, 01:03 AM
So Ivan or Dave?

Johnny Groove
03-13-2007, 01:09 AM
Fat Dave :rocker2:

Headbump
03-13-2007, 01:22 AM
Ljubicic likes playing terrible servers, he's been return good this week, the only way David wins if he plays out of him mind from the ground, anything less will result in 2 straight sets for Ljubicic.

Tomy
03-13-2007, 01:23 AM
I really hope dave'll win, but it is hard to be sure about it... I believe dave isn't playing as well as he played last year, something must be going on... although he did show some great tennis against mathieu I don't feel so comfortable watching his matches as I did before...

Johnny Groove
03-13-2007, 01:25 AM
I really hope dave'll win, but it is hard to be sure about it... I believe dave isn't playing as well as he played last year, something must be going on... although he did show some great tennis against mathieu I don't feel so comfortable watching his matches as I did before...

mate, you're not supposed to be comfortable watching Dahveed. It has to be a wild match :lol:

tcorinna
03-13-2007, 01:27 AM
I like better Dave, but Ljubi can play some good tennis too ... it is going to be hard ... but Dave in 3sets :)
Goodluck Dave :)

tangerine_dream
03-13-2007, 01:28 AM
Earth-shattering Fat Dave fact: he really is a slob. :lol:

From tennis.com:
On Monday, Pete and I ate lunch at a table that had been previously vacated by David Nalbandian and company. Take it from me, Nalbandian and his friends are complete slobs. They left their cups, plates, and dirty napkins on the table when they left, despite a trash can being directly behind them.

Galathea
03-13-2007, 01:29 AM
Don't know. Probably Ljubo.

His style of play is not comfortable for Nalbandian.
Except David decides to really show up, probably Ljubicic.

ChinoRios4Ever
03-13-2007, 01:29 AM
Ljubo in 3 close sets or and incredible comeback (as always) for Nalby

Galathea
03-13-2007, 01:46 AM
I really hope dave'll win, but it is hard to be sure about it... I believe dave isn't playing as well as he played last year, something must be going on... although he did show some great tennis against mathieu I don't feel so comfortable watching his matches as I did before...

First, as it was said, if you want to be comfortable, don't chose Nalbandian ;)

Second, and this is off topic, but to answer you, after his injury in RG, when he was coming back he got a virus in Canada that left him with sequels for almost the rest of the season (the first test that came ok was the one before the DC final) with lose of strengh, sudden dizziness and stomach problems (cramps). He had to keep playing (because, of course, he didn't play enough :rolleyes:) to reach the minimun for MC. Playing like that he got injured on his knee in Vienna (during his first match). So, letting aside the first thing, he played with his knee injured, during the indoor season, the MC and the DC final. He didn't stop because there was not time for a proper pre-season, so he used the exhibitions as trainning (with plans for the pre-season after AO 2007) and trying to rest his knee the major time possible. He went to Chennai and the surface simply killed him. His knee got worst and he almost didn't play AO. AFter that, he got medical orders to not even train. The pre-season had to be delayed and at Bs As, Dave had the brillant idea of playing during the pre-season because the argie crow. He barely ended the trainning before IW. The tennis part will start in Miami with Costas.
So basically, that was Nalbandian's second half of 2006 and beggining of 2007and he's not okay still. Way better, but not 100% okay... .Not that he needs these to make things complicated. A lot of this is not very known because, except if he's asked about it or something very obvious (like in AO 2007) he doesn't say he's injured.

Let's keep with the topic now

franklibby
03-13-2007, 01:56 AM
Fat Dave!

RickDaStick
03-13-2007, 02:48 AM
They play tomorrow at 1pm local time. GO LJUBOOOOO

I♥PsY@Mus!c
03-13-2007, 04:27 AM
Unless Ivan has no serve,I would say Ivan in 3. :)
Go Ivan! :rocker2:

Macbrother
03-13-2007, 04:29 AM
Honestly who the hell knows here? The forms of these players can almost never be predicted. The only thing that's certain is Nalbandian will lose the first set.

Nalbandian!!!
03-13-2007, 04:35 AM
David in 2 sets.

Action Jackson
03-13-2007, 04:37 AM
I don't care as long either take out Roddick or Gasquet in the next round.

my0118
03-13-2007, 04:48 AM
If nalbo loses the first set, he will win in 3.
oh wait. But I suddenly remember TMC last year..

Havok
03-13-2007, 05:06 AM
I'm going with Fat Ass on this one. Straight sets.

Byrd
03-13-2007, 05:13 AM
I don't give a shit, as long as one of them beats the duck if he gets through.

TennisLurker
03-13-2007, 05:31 AM
Iven is playing better, so Ivan

TMJordan
03-13-2007, 05:31 AM
Dave will drop the first set and then rip Ljubo a new one in the second and third.

RickDaStick
03-13-2007, 05:32 AM
Dave will drop the first set and then rip Ljubo a new one in the second and third.

Just like in Miami last year.

TMJordan
03-13-2007, 05:34 AM
Just like in Miami last year.

I dont know man, I watched Dave's match today and he was playing very solid tennis in the 2nd and 3rd, but I am also surprised with how easily Ljubo beat Tojo, I think this one goes 3 sets forsure.

tripb19
03-13-2007, 05:46 AM
Lujbo will win this 6-3 6-4 :(

Jlee
03-13-2007, 06:13 AM
Honestly who the hell knows here? The forms of these players can almost never be predicted. The only thing that's certain is Nalbandian will lose the first set.

Agreed :lol:

I think I'll go with Nalby in a tough three setter. I haven't seen either of them play for a while though, so I don't know who's in better form. That's what it's going to depend on.

Headbump
03-13-2007, 06:23 AM
Ljubicic serves well- he wins
Nalbandian plays well of the ground- he wins

Ljubicic serves well and Nalbandian plays well of the ground, goes to 3rd set TB, where Ljubicic wins, since he seems to win every 3rd set TB this year.(5-0)

Tennis-Engineer
03-13-2007, 06:23 AM
David I want another bagel.This time against Ljubo :devil: :) 7-6,6-0 for David !

Headbump
03-13-2007, 06:25 AM
David I want another bagel.This time against Ljubo :devil: :) 7-6,6-0 for David !

getting a bagel on Ljubicic on hard courts is like breaking Karlovic at love, never happens :)

corporalclegg
03-13-2007, 06:40 AM
Fat Dave in three.

"Dave" finished confidently against Mathieu, and I would think he will carry that over to his match against Ljubicic.

MaryWalsh
03-13-2007, 01:53 PM
Definitely could go either way. Then again, the way things are going . . . :confused:
I pick Ljubo in 3.

Deathless Mortal
03-13-2007, 02:11 PM
Ljubo in 2. 7-6, 6-4 or something like that.

Fergie
03-13-2007, 02:14 PM
Ivan in 2 ... Go! :rocker2:

Joyce_23
03-13-2007, 02:38 PM
If I had to pick the best tennis player is would be easy, Nalby is the better player by far but Ivan is not an easy player for him to play against. His serve is incredible and he can return on Nalby's weakest shot, his own serve. If Nalby manages to get into rallies I give him the adventage but if they play a lot of short points then Ivan will win. Hmmm...this is a tough one...I still pick Nalby in three since I believe I have to have faith in my man. :lol:

Fumus
03-13-2007, 02:41 PM
Daveed is playing well...

If continues this form, I pick him to beat LLubo, Roddick, but lose to Nadal...unfortunately.

RonE
03-13-2007, 02:43 PM
Hmm, I haven't seen either of them play so I can't go on form.

However Ivan has beaten David the last two times they met so I will go out on a limb and say Ljubo in three sets but that probably means that Dave will win.

Dougie
03-13-2007, 02:45 PM
Depends on which one of them cares less...I say Nalbandian 2-1, but knowing the consistent inconsistency of these guys, I wouldn´t bet my money on either one of them.

Deathless Mortal
03-13-2007, 02:47 PM
Who says that if it comes to the third set Nalby will win? Remember that Nalby choke on TMC. Ljubo can win in 3 sets just like he can win in 2.

gusman890
03-13-2007, 02:51 PM
Hasnt Ivan ***** Nably the last couple of times they have played?

Deathless Mortal
03-13-2007, 02:54 PM
Last 3 times they played Ljubo won, lost only one set, and won 7.

Xristos
03-13-2007, 03:21 PM
Fat Dave 6-3 in the third.

LocoPorElTenis
03-13-2007, 03:28 PM
Both are having a less than stellar year. Both struggled early in the tournamente but played well in their last match. It's a close call and anything can happen. My vote goes to whoever loses the first set.

gusman890
03-13-2007, 03:28 PM
Fat dave will have some Stomache Injury - Im predicting that.

Dougie
03-13-2007, 03:44 PM
Fat dave will have some Stomache Injury - Im predicting that.

:haha: You may well be right!

RickDaStick
03-13-2007, 03:46 PM
My prediction is after the first set Fat Dave gets hungry and calls it a day so he can go get some lunch.

Loremaster
03-13-2007, 03:59 PM
Ljubicic likes playing terrible servers, he's been return good this week, the only way David wins if he plays out of him mind from the ground, anything less will result in 2 straight sets for Ljubicic.

Sure last time Ljubo was in form was n Doha were he was indeed playing very goiod tennis, but from then it was downside , Falla in 3 sets :haha: ToJo is not worthy win these days on hardcourt, on the other hand Nalby isn't playing good as well, but he likes to play big servers, outocme of match will be determined by two stats
- how good Ljubo will serve
- how many serves Nlaby will be able to return , if enough to go into many rallies I fancy his chances , he is superior from baseline, from baseline Ljubo doesn't stand many chances + it is the court Nlaby loves slow hardcourt
it think Fat Dave in 3.

Loremaster
03-13-2007, 04:01 PM
Hasnt Ivan ***** Nably the last couple of times they have played?

not really
in TMC Dave was better but Ljubo was serving like crazy and that saved him ( of course Nlaby choked badly) but they like to **** each other :devil: ( TMC 2005 for example )

enzogiovanni
03-13-2007, 04:02 PM
Honestly: easy easy win for Ljubicic who has finally found his serve with the new racquet.
Although Nalbandian can always surprise.

RickDaStick
03-13-2007, 04:03 PM
Sure last time Ljubo was in form was n Doha were he was indeed playing very goiod tennis, but from then it was downside , Falla in 3 sets :haha: ToJo is not worthy win these days on hardcourt, on the other hand Nalby isn't playing good as well, but he likes to play big servers, outocme of match will be determined by two stats
- how good Ljubo will serve
- how many serves Nlaby will be able to return , if enough to go into many rallies I fancy his chances , he is superior from baseline, from baseline Ljubo doesn't stand many chances + it is the court Nlaby loves slow hardcourt
it think Fat Dave in 3.

Shocking prediction coming from you:) Anyways you say Nalby loves slow hardcourts well last year in Miami the court was even slower then here but Ivan beat him 61 62. Also Ljubo is really not as bad from the baseline as you'd like to think.

Loremaster
03-13-2007, 04:08 PM
Shocking prediction coming from you:) Anyways you say Nalby loves slow hardcourts well last year in Miami the court was even slower then here but Ivan beat him 61 62. Also Ljubo is really not as bad from the baseline as you'd like to think.

Do I hear good, You think Ljubo can stand chance with Nlaby from baseline,
Argument about last year is funny, last eyar Ljubo, Blake and Roger were kings of hardcourt swing all 3 were in superb form but not this year
Shocking prediction ?? I predict Ljubo loses quite good
(only in Doha I've made three mistakes )
I predicted
- lose to Fish in AO
- lose to Baggy in Zagreb
- lose to Youzhny in Rotterdam
- lose to Haas in DC
so I don't know what is shocking in that is not like I always bet agianst Ljubo, it would be stupid to bet against him when he plays TojO for example

RickDaStick
03-13-2007, 04:11 PM
Do I hear good, You think Ljubo can stand chance with Nlaby from baseline,
Argument about last year is funny, last eyar Ljubo, Blake and Roger were kings of hardcourt swing all 3 were in superb form but not this year
Shocking prediction ?? I predict Ljubo loses quite good
(only in Doha I've made three mistakes )
I predicted
- lose to Fish in AO
- lose to Baggy in Zagreb
- lose to Youzhny in Rotterdam
- lose to Haas in DC
so I don't know what is shocking in that is not like I always bet agianst Ljubo, it would be stupid to bet against him when he plays TojO for example


well of course when you predict he will lose every single match you will be right occasionally. Havent you been saying ljubo will be out of the top 10 for 2 years now yet he is still in it. Of course one day you will be right on that too and you will come here and tell us how good you are. Also how about that James Big Stage Blake. Dropping like a rock.

Headbump
03-13-2007, 04:13 PM
Do I hear good, You think Ljubo can stand chance with Nlaby from baseline,
Argument about last year is funny, last eyar Ljubo, Blake and Roger were kings of hardcourt swing all 3 were in superb form but not this year
Shocking prediction ?? I predict Ljubo loses quite good
(only in Doha I've made three mistakes )
I predicted
- lose to Fish in AO
- lose to Baggy in Zagreb
- lose to Youzhny in Rotterdam
- lose to Haas in DC
so I don't know what is shocking in that is not like I always bet agianst Ljubo, it would be stupid to bet against him when he plays TojO for example

I believe Ljubicic hit 0 aces when he beat Nlabandian 6-1 6-2, so when he is on from baseline he can play with David.
and you predicted 4 looses and missed 16wins? :wavey:

Loremaster
03-13-2007, 04:19 PM
well of course when you predict he will lose every single match you will be right occasionally. Havent you been saying ljubo will be out of the top 10 for 2 years now yet he is still in it. Of course one day you will be right on that too and you will come here and tell us how good you are. Also how about that James Big Stage Blake. Dropping like a rock.

no I don't predict every single match. And I haven't said he will be out of Top10 for two years, I said that he will be out of Top10 after RG don't play with facts when you don't have other arguments. What have Blake to do with Nlaby/Ljubo match is your logic working ??

I believe Ljubicic hit 0 aces when he beat Nlabandian 6-1 6-2, so when he is on from baseline he can play with David.
and you predicted 4 looses and missed 16wins? :wavey:

Aces doesn't mean anything you should know it, he can get many unreturned serves and serves that setup easy points + Ljubo was on tear last year he was winning w almost everyones now it has changed .
I predicted 4 looses easy because I wasn't predciting all his matches only few and result was postive (like 4-3 or something )

tangerine_dream
03-13-2007, 04:20 PM
If Ljubo was smart he would have treated Dahveed to a free double cheese pizza last night.

Fumus
03-13-2007, 04:31 PM
Hasnt Ivan ***** Nably the last couple of times they have played?

What are you talking about?!

05 at the CUP Nalbandian smoked Ivan on his most favorite of surfaces, the indoor carpet. Then they played again this year and Daveed has Ivan dead to rights before he went away mentally. If fat Dave's RoS is on...Llubo's out in straight sets. If the opposite occurs then I will Ivan in straights...but Ivan isn't ****** anyone lately...at least not on the tennis court;)

Headbump
03-13-2007, 04:34 PM
What are you talking about?!

05 at the CUP Nalbandian smoked Ivan on his most favorite of surfaces, the indoor carpet. Then they played again this year and Daveed has Ivan dead to rights before he went away mentally. If fat Dave's RoS is on...Llubo's out in straight sets. If the opposite occurs then I will Ivan in straights...but Ivan isn't ****** anyone lately...at least not on the tennis court;)

2006 Tennis Masters Cup
China Hard RR Ljubicic 5-7 7-6(7) 7-5
Stats
2006 CRO vs. ARG WG Qtrs
Zagreb, Croatia Carpet RR Ljubicic 6-3 6-4 6-4
2006 ATP Masters Series Miami
FL, U.S.A. Hard S Ljubicic 6-1 6-2

i think thats what he was talking about

Fumus
03-13-2007, 04:36 PM
2006 Tennis Masters Cup
China Hard RR Ljubicic 5-7 7-6(7) 7-5
Stats
2006 CRO vs. ARG WG Qtrs
Zagreb, Croatia Carpet RR Ljubicic 6-3 6-4 6-4
2006 ATP Masters Series Miami
FL, U.S.A. Hard S Ljubicic 6-1 6-2

i think thats what he was talking about

Two completely different surfaces, and conditions. He said the last couple times they played, well the last time they played Nalby had em' under his foot for the better part of 2 sets.

Ivan just isn't playing well at the moment, I take the resurgent Daveed for the win here.

Headbump
03-13-2007, 04:39 PM
Two completely different surfaces, and conditions. He said the last couple times they played, well the last time they played Nalby had em' under his foot for the better part of 2 sets.

Ivan just isn't playing well at the moment, I take the resurgent Daveed for the win here.

than why do you big up TMC 2005 :confused:

Blue Heart24
03-13-2007, 04:39 PM
Ljubo in 2.

Fumus
03-13-2007, 05:17 PM
than why do you big up TMC 2005 :confused:

Because it's relevant to the fact that Llubo hasn't "*****" Nalby the last couple times they have played.

tennismaster882001
03-13-2007, 05:35 PM
Honestly who the hell knows here? The forms of these players can almost never be predicted. The only thing that's certain is Nalbandian will lose the first set.

I agree! :lol:
I remember their match from Miami last year, it was one of the best performances of Ivan's career, i hope he can do it again!

Andre'sNo1Fan
03-13-2007, 05:35 PM
Well Nalbandian is clearly much more talented that Ljubicic........but tennis is not all about talent. It could go either way, but there is only one player I will be rooting for.

GlennMirnyi
03-13-2007, 05:40 PM
Ljubicic will school fat Dave again as in Miami last year, in the DC and in the TMC.

TMJordan
03-13-2007, 05:54 PM
If Ljubo was smart he would have treated Dahveed to a free double cheese pizza last night.

:spit:

You love the fat jokes dont you? :p

Headbump
03-13-2007, 06:01 PM
Because it's relevant to the fact that Llubo hasn't "*****" Nalby the last couple times they have played.

couple times= 2 or 3 times. which he has

Joyce_23
03-13-2007, 06:03 PM
Also Ljubo is really not as bad from the baseline as you'd like to think.

Are you kidding me??? I saw Ljubo play five times this year on indoor hardcourt in Rotterdam, by his own admission his favorite underground to play on. The guy won maybe 10% of all his baseline rally's that consisted of more then 4 shots. In every single one of his matches...
The guy has many talents and maybe he had a bad week but if he plays like that against Nalby and gets into long rally's then he's toast. He is just very good in avoiding those rally's which is why he bothers David with his game and has a decent shot at winning. His ability to play good from the baseline has nothing to do with it.

Klaas_nalbandian
03-13-2007, 06:05 PM
lets hope nalby wins it,

Julio1974
03-13-2007, 06:08 PM
Ljubicic will school fat Dave again as in Miami last year, in the DC and in the TMC.

Well, I also think Ljubicic will win (probably in 2) but I don't think he schooled DN in the last TMC. DN choked when serving for match.

AnnaK_4ever
03-13-2007, 06:08 PM
I wish it would be Fat Dave but think Ljubicic is gonna win...

Julio1974
03-13-2007, 06:09 PM
Well Nalbandian is clearly much more talented that Ljubicic........but tennis is not all about talent. It could go either way, but there is only one player I will be rooting for.

A good service is also part of "talent". Maybe one day Argentine coaches will realize that.

Mateya
03-13-2007, 06:20 PM
Nalbandian will roast Ljubo and loose to Moya in the final :cool:

:rolls:

jazar
03-13-2007, 06:27 PM
ljubo in 3

ljubicic_
03-13-2007, 06:38 PM
Ljubo will win easily

Apemant
03-13-2007, 06:49 PM
Honestly: easy easy win for Ljubicic who has finally found his serve with the new racquet.
Although Nalbandian can always surprise.

How can you say easy win when playing David? Rule number one, even if it proves to be an easy win afterwards, it's definitelly impossible to actually predict that ahead of time, since Dave is the embodiment of unpredictability.
I'm pretty sure even Ljubo isn't so confident he will win as you are.

Björki
03-13-2007, 06:52 PM
David :D

+alonso
03-13-2007, 07:01 PM
2-6 7-5 7-5 win for Nalbandian!

Apemant
03-13-2007, 07:10 PM
05 at the CUP Nalbandian smoked Ivan on his most favorite of surfaces, the indoor carpet. Then they played again this year and Daveed has Ivan dead to rights before he went away mentally. If fat Dave's RoS is on...Llubo's out in straight sets. If the opposite occurs then I will Ivan in straights...but Ivan isn't ****** anyone lately...at least not on the tennis court;)

Actually, it's another MTF myth, that the particular surface was Ljubo's favourite. It was a medium-speed carpet which didn't catch much spin, making it in fact perfect for David's style of playing, the pure tactical game with mostly flat shots but extremely well positioned. Ljubo was hopeless against David on that surface, as he relies on slices and rotations to disrupt David's rhythm and lead him to UEs, which is essentially the only way he can keep up with David in rallies.

About David's RoS, it is formidable, yes, but when Ljubo's serve is on he will win most of his 1st serves anyway, as some of those serves are humanely impossible to return without guessing the side and moving there in anticipation, which is basically a 50/50 gamble. So it's 2nd serves where Ljubo is particularly vulnerable to David's aggressive RoS... I mean Ro2ndS :devil:

Sjengster
03-13-2007, 07:19 PM
Yes, I remember Ljubicic's interview where he said he had misgivings before the match as the surface was very similar to Basel, which is of course a great tournament for Nalbandian. Federer also said that week that the court didn't take slice very well. As for this match-up, it's hard to predict when one looks at last year's meetings. Nalbandian didn't show up in Miami, he got served off the court in DC, and then they had a battle royale at the TMC where he blew his chance to win and Ljubicic was the deserved victor in the end. Most of their encounters have been indoors, which one could argue is the best surface for both men, not just Ljubicic.

LocoPorElTenis
03-13-2007, 07:24 PM
A good service is also part of "talent". Maybe one day Argentine coaches will realize that.

True, but not all Argentines are crappy servers. Chucho is a very good server, Calleri is good too, JMDP is improving. Nalbo on the other hand :help: , although he served quite well against PHM. Nalbo with the serve of Ljubo or Ljubo with the groundies of Nalbo would be almost unbeatable, hopefully we'll see a good match. I also think that it's not due to coaches not realizing that serve is important, but rather to players growing up on clay, where serve is not so important.

Julio1974
03-13-2007, 07:29 PM
True, but not all Argentines are crappy servers. Chucho is a very good server, Calleri is good too, JMDP is improving. Nalbo on the other hand :help: , although he served quite well against PHM. Nalbo with the serve of Ljubo or Ljubo with the groundies of Nalbo would be almost unbeatable, hopefully we'll see a good match. I also think that it's not due to coaches not realizing that serve is important, but rather to players growing up on clay, where serve is not so important.


Not all are crappy servers but none of them is even close to a guy like Ljubicic.

As for coaches, I meant junior players' coaches. They don't consider it important because it's not needed for clay.

Sjengster
03-13-2007, 07:35 PM
It should be noted that Calleri is 6'2", Acasuso 6'3", Ljubicic 6'4" and of course Del Potro is 6'5" with perhaps a little more growth to come. Nalbandian at 5'11" is never going to have a monster delivery, but then just look at the most successful players of his height in recent years, Hewitt and Agassi. They didn't serve bombs consistently, but they had decent pace, control and variation and were very hard to break, particularly Agassi which is ironic when his return of serve is what he will always be renowned for.

Apemant
03-13-2007, 07:37 PM
Not all are crappy servers but none of them is even close to a guy like Ljubicic.

As for coaches, I meant junior players' coaches. They don't consider it important because it's not needed for clay.

You mean the 'just get the ball into play' mentality?

Yep, that's a good way of minimizing one's chances of ever winning Wimbledon...

But on the other hand, Ljubo as a great server never got past 3rd round of Wimby, while the 'crappy-serve' David almost won it. Every rule has an exception...... (...hmm but if that's true, then the rule 'every rule has an exception' also must have an exception, meaning that there must exist some rule (or more of them thereof) which have no exceptions whatsoever... )

Julio1974
03-13-2007, 07:42 PM
You mean the 'just get the ball into play' mentality?

Yep, that's a good way of minimizing one's chances of ever winning Wimbledon...

But on the other hand, Ljubo as a great server never got past 3rd round of Wimby, while the 'crappy-serve' David almost won it. Every rule has an exception...... (...hmm but if that's true, then the rule 'every rule has an exception' also must have an exception, meaning that there must exist some rule (or more of them thereof) which have no exceptions whatsoever... )

Exactly. There are junior players of 11 and 12 yrs old who have never been taught the second service, for instance. They just do it the first service motion more slowlly.

As for Nalbandian, imagine all the things that he could have won if he had a good service.

Sjengster
03-13-2007, 07:47 PM
Would Nalbandian still have had the same problems of weak fitness and a body prone to breaking down even with a big serve, though? I mean he obviously would have won a lot more cheap points, would have been able to maintain control of matches far more easily with a reliable weapon to carry him home (considering he can break most players almost at will), therefore he would have been involved in fewer early-round battles and had more to give at the business end of tournaments. That all makes sense, but I think his lack of commitment to off-court work might still have had its own negative impact.

Bilbo
03-13-2007, 07:51 PM
Tough match to predict. Probably Nalby as the court is slower.

RickDaStick
03-13-2007, 08:13 PM
Ivans kick serve works really well on this surface. He said thats why he won 18 of 21 2nd serve points vs Tojo.

Fumus
03-13-2007, 08:38 PM
Ivans kick serve works really well on this surface. He said thats why he won 18 of 21 2nd serve points vs Tojo.

+ Tojo sucks.:)

Julio1974
03-13-2007, 08:39 PM
Would Nalbandian still have had the same problems of weak fitness and a body prone to breaking down even with a big serve, though? I mean he obviously would have won a lot more cheap points, would have been able to maintain control of matches far more easily with a reliable weapon to carry him home (considering he can break most players almost at will), therefore he would have been involved in fewer early-round battles and had more to give at the business end of tournaments. That all makes sense, but I think his lack of commitment to off-court work might still have had its own negative impact.

Maybe with a good service he would have trained even less...

RickDaStick
03-13-2007, 08:39 PM
+ Tojo sucks.:)

Maybe so but if i remember correctly Ivans kick serve was giving Agassi and Roddick all kinds of trouble on a similar surface in DC.

Fumus
03-13-2007, 08:45 PM
Maybe so but if i remember correctly Ivans kick serve was giving Agassi and Roddick all kinds of trouble on a similar surface in DC.

But it didn't give Roddick so much trouble on a certain surface last year...in fact besides the time Andy retired in AO, I don't think that second serve has caused Andy any trouble 6 out of 8 times.

Sjengster
03-13-2007, 08:51 PM
But it didn't give Roddick so much trouble on a certain surface last year...in fact besides the time Andy retired in AO, I don't think that second serve has caused Andy any trouble 6 out of 8 times.

So you wouldn't say that it gave him any trouble during those two matches against Ljubicic that he won 6-3, 6-7, 6-3, 7-6 and 1-6, 7-6, 7-6 then?

Apemant
03-13-2007, 08:59 PM
Honestly: easy easy win for Ljubicic who has finally found his serve with the new racquet.


Ugh, almost missed this... so is it a new racquet after all or just a painted old? I'm confused here :confused:

danton
03-13-2007, 09:45 PM
My God! I can't believe the size of Daves gut! Last year he had tits and now he looks 4 months pregnant.

Metis
03-13-2007, 09:59 PM
Ljubicic is on to David. He is letting him win the 1st set :cool:

:lol:

Kolya
03-13-2007, 10:04 PM
Go Nalbandian!

Up a break in the 1st.

Mateya
03-13-2007, 10:10 PM
Nalby will win 6-4 7-6. :cool:
Go to bed...