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Verd
03-12-2007, 11:22 PM
  

TheBoiledEgg
03-12-2007, 11:24 PM
Carlos :woohoo: :banana: :yeah: :D

now for a Gimp in r4

prima donna
03-12-2007, 11:24 PM
Never in doubt.

Jaap
03-12-2007, 11:24 PM
Carlosssssssssssssssssssss. :worship:

R.Federer
03-12-2007, 11:25 PM
Inevitable letdown...maybe.

Wow, this half of the draw is shaping up with unknown mutations!

ChinoRios4Ever
03-12-2007, 11:25 PM
what happened here????? :eek:

oh well, nice win Charly :yeah:

*Viva Chile*
03-12-2007, 11:25 PM
I don't know, but it doesn't surprise me the result...

Horatio Caine
03-12-2007, 11:26 PM
Expected win for Moya :yeah:

Bad Religion
03-12-2007, 11:27 PM
Never in doubt

Well done Carles :banana: .

martine2
03-12-2007, 11:27 PM
CARLITOS!!!!:woohoo: :woohoo:

AnnaK_4ever
03-12-2007, 11:27 PM
Quite expected, i'd say.

Hendu
03-12-2007, 11:28 PM
Good win for Moya!! :yeah:

I hope he gets a lot of confidence for the clay season.

Good tournament willy, now rest.

Peoples
03-12-2007, 11:29 PM
:haha:

Peoples
03-12-2007, 11:29 PM
There you go dopetards :shrug:

Fergie
03-12-2007, 11:30 PM
Good win Carlos :bigclap:

Carlita
03-12-2007, 11:30 PM
:banana: :yippee: :banana:

oh yes !

zicofirol
03-12-2007, 11:33 PM
cañas was like 0 -6 on BP's, what a waste, now Moya will rise int he rankings... and then its moya vs Ferrer, what fucking god awful match...

Galathea
03-12-2007, 11:33 PM
Good win for Moya!! :yeah:

I hope he gets a lot of confidence for the clay season.

Good tournament willy, now rest.

He has to play doubles with Nalby.. Didn't you see Mancini today? ;)

connectolove
03-12-2007, 11:34 PM
You Go Carlossssssssssssssss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yappa
03-12-2007, 11:40 PM
Canas' work for this tourney is done by defeating Federer. Everything else would have been a bonus. ;)

Kitty de Sade
03-12-2007, 11:43 PM
CARLOS!! Very sweet indeed. :clap2:

ChinoRios4Ever
03-12-2007, 11:43 PM
i cant believe that this match wasnt played on stadium 1 or 2....

DDrago2
03-12-2007, 11:44 PM
Moya - Federer 6-2 6-0

scoobs
03-12-2007, 11:44 PM
One day you're riding high after spanking the world #1 and snapping a 41 match winning streak. The next you're out on a smaller court being defeated by a has-been and wondering what went wrong. That's tennis, I guess.

Mistaflava
03-12-2007, 11:44 PM
seriously though mods, stop deleting my fuckin posts.

My calling Canas a cheater is doing no wrong. Stop being so fuckin sensitive all the time.

Mistaflava
03-12-2007, 11:45 PM
One day you're riding high after spanking the world #1 and snapping a 41 match winning streak. The next you're out on a smaller court being defeated by a has-been and wondering what went wrong. That's tennis, I guess.


No, that's the effects of what he calls 'meds'.

GlennMirnyi
03-12-2007, 11:46 PM
Where are the Argies now? What a joke, losing to grandpa Moya. :lol:

alelysafina
03-12-2007, 11:47 PM
Lord Carlos!! :worship: :worship:

Peoples
03-12-2007, 11:47 PM
In your face, dopetards! :p

Jaap
03-12-2007, 11:48 PM
Canas will reach top 10.

:haha: :haha: :spit: :lol:

Mistaflava
03-12-2007, 11:48 PM
In your face, dopetards! :p


:haha:


Dopetards need not worry...once a juicer, always a juicer...we haven't seen the last of Willy boy.

Carlita
03-12-2007, 11:49 PM
Where are the Argies now? What a joke, losing to grandpa Moya. :lol::armed: :p

nhissan
03-12-2007, 11:52 PM
Vamos Carlos

Kalliopeia
03-12-2007, 11:58 PM
Carlos! :bounce:

I bet when he first looked at the draw he didn't expect to be going on to the fourth round. :lol:

Peoples
03-12-2007, 11:59 PM
Actually, when you're repeatedly calling someone a doper and a cheat and deliberately contradicting the judgment of the Court of Arbitration for Sport regarding Cañas's suspension, that's close to libel. Moreover, the fact that you're upset about your handiwork being deleted shows that you're only worried about getting attention with your trolling, and you're deliberately trying to turn a thread meant to celebrate Moya's win into a soapbox for your agenda re. Cañas.

Fortunately for you, no one takes the ranting of a single bored person on a message board seriously enough to actually sue that person for libel, so personally I think you should be grateful that deleted posts are the worst of your problems.

Congrats to Lord Carlos for a solid win, and for saving all his break points! :bowdown:
He doesn't say anything that's false. People tend to forget that Canas was banned for forbidden substance abuse. That is cheating no matter how these got into his body, who injected them or whatever and he can be called cheater with regards to that. Technically Mistaflava is correct.

Mistaflava
03-13-2007, 12:00 AM
Actually, when you're repeatedly calling someone a doper and a cheat and deliberately contradicting the judgment of the Court of Arbitration for Sport regarding Cañas's suspension, that's close to libel. Moreover, the fact that you're upset about your handiwork being deleted shows that you're only worried about getting attention with your trolling, and you're deliberately trying to turn a thread meant to celebrate Moya's win into a soapbox for your agenda re. Cañas.

Fortunately for you, no one takes the ranting of a single bored person on a message board seriously enough to actually sue that person for libel, so personally I think you should be grateful that deleted posts are the worst of your problems.

Congrats to Lord Carlos for a solid win, and for saving all his break points! :bowdown:



LOL! You make me laugh. I should be grateful that deleted posts are the worst of my problems? What a joke. You think a dope head like Canas would file a suit against MistaFlava for stating the facts?

Also, the reason I get pissed off at my posts being deleted is because the level of sensitivity on MTF has reached an all-time low. Canas wasn't cleared of shit. Whether it was a mistake or not, he is a doper and a cheater and he will never stop hearing about that.

This is by no means a Moya celebration thread, this is a thread to talk about the match mentioned in the thread title and Canas, in case you hadn't noticed, was part of this match.

Mind your own business...or at least have something good to say next time.

Mistaflava
03-13-2007, 12:01 AM
He doesn't say anything that's false. People tend to forget that Canas was banned for forbidden substance abuse. That is cheating no matter how these got into his body, who injected them or whatever and he can be called cheater with regards to that. Technically Mistaflava is correct.


Technically I am correct but by MTF sensitivity standards, I am dead wrong. Much like the ATP and their bullshit punishments, MTF likes to dodge around touchy issues like this one because it makes the sport look bad.

Well Canas is a discrace to the sport and that's a fact.

Allez
03-13-2007, 12:04 AM
Thank god someone had the guts to take this Canas character out :yippee:. I never want to see his face again. He committed a big sin this week. An unforgivable sin :explode:

rofe
03-13-2007, 12:07 AM
The inevitable let down. :rolleyes:

scoobs
03-13-2007, 12:07 AM
And "technically" the judgment was that there was no intent to cheat/dope. So what's your point?

And my mistake, make that TWO bored people. :yeah:
Some advice from across the pond - Don't feed the troll :D

Peoples
03-13-2007, 12:08 AM
And "technically" the judgment was that there was no intent to cheat/dope. So what's your point?

Facts are facts, so whether there was intent or not, he is and always will be a doping offender, doper.

Mistaflava
03-13-2007, 12:13 AM
Some advice from across the pond - Don't feed the troll :D


You and JTorian make a nice couple. Figures two ass clowns would get along.

Ales_Alessandra
03-13-2007, 12:13 AM
:bigclap: CARLOOOOOOOOSSSSS!!! :woohoo: :woohoo:

scoobs
03-13-2007, 12:15 AM
You and JTorian make a nice couple. Figures two ass clowns would get along.

Wanna join us?

Remember - twice is nice but three's divine :devil: :)

Allez
03-13-2007, 12:18 AM
Also, the reason I get pissed off at my posts being deleted is because the level of sensitivity on MTF has reached an all-time low.

Agreed. It's rather ridiculous. Everyone is adopting a sheep mentality. :rolleyes:

scoobs
03-13-2007, 12:19 AM
:devil: Anyone with "flava" in their name should certainly be the filling in the sandwich. :angel:
I've been a long-standing fan of the flava of the mistas ;)

Mistaflava
03-13-2007, 12:22 AM
I came into this thread to talk about Canas and his doping. You guys are are turning this thing around and talking about your disgusting/nasty fantasies. For two ass clowns who had no more circus peanuts to throw, you sure look like you're part of the damn circus now.

End of story...back to the topic at hand.

Yappa
03-13-2007, 12:25 AM
You and JTorian make a nice couple. Figures two ass clowns would get along.

See you, I won't miss you.

Mistaflava
03-13-2007, 12:27 AM
See you, I won't miss you.


Thanks for contributing to the match talk...useless.

scoobs
03-13-2007, 12:29 AM
I came into this thread to talk about Canas and his doping. You guys are are turning this thing around and talking about your disgusting/nasty fantasies. For two ass clowns who had no more circus peanuts to throw, you sure look like you're part of the damn circus now.

End of story...back to the topic at hand.
Your drivel is as much off-topic as mine.

Now kiss me, you fool - I hate it when we fight.

I forgive you. But...can we ever forgive ourselves...?

scoobs
03-13-2007, 12:34 AM
I know I can't. Creating a Moya thread makes me feel all nasty inside. :sobbing:
I know what you mean. I've had a twitch in my left thigh for 35 minutes.

GlennMirnyi
03-13-2007, 12:38 AM
I came into this thread to talk about Canas and his doping. You guys are are turning this thing around and talking about your disgusting/nasty fantasies. For two ass clowns who had no more circus peanuts to throw, you sure look like you're part of the damn circus now.

End of story...back to the topic at hand.

When they start with the derailing, there's nothing you can do.

BATES
03-13-2007, 12:39 AM
Guileeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee :sad:
Won a tournament and defeated world #1.. so far so good.. step by step :worship:
Good Job Carlos!

scoobs
03-13-2007, 12:40 AM
http://img2.menstennisforums.com/500/vtr_henin_rly.jpg :angel:
:haha:

Voo de Mar
03-13-2007, 12:42 AM
This match was playing on the court No. 2 and it is a joke. I don't know what is doing match Granville vs. Petrova in night session on centre court :shrug:

scoobs
03-13-2007, 12:47 AM
When they start with the derailing, there's nothing you can do.
You said, baby! Slash Rulz OK. ;)

Voo de Mar
03-13-2007, 12:48 AM
:secret: Granville is a U.S. native. ;)

Yep, I don't like this politics. The organizers of American tournaments always preferes native players :o

scoobs
03-13-2007, 12:51 AM
Yep, I don't like this politics. The organizers of American tournaments always preferes native players :o
Happens everywhere - Rome, Monte Carlo, Wimbledon (very much so!), Roland Garros...

marti_228
03-13-2007, 12:52 AM
Where are the Argies now? What a joke, losing to grandpa Moya. :lol:

You're Brazilian so you can't talk.
Remember yesterday he defeated Federer.


Anyway, first Master Series in a year and a half and defeats Federer. It was a good tournament for Cañas but I thought he would be able to beat Moya. I didn't see the match because it was on court 3 so I don't know if Moya played well or if Cañas played badly.

marti_228
03-13-2007, 12:57 AM
He doesn't say anything that's false. People tend to forget that Canas was banned for forbidden substance abuse. That is cheating no matter how these got into his body, who injected them or whatever and he can be called cheater with regards to that. Technically Mistaflava is correct.

So technically Bush is a massive murderer.
I follow your logic.





(for the other posters, this is not so off topic)

scoobs
03-13-2007, 12:57 AM
Plus, as much as I dislike that sort of thing as a rule, I think lower-ranked players like Granville deserve to experience that whole "Center Court"/night match atmosphere once in a while. They're out on Court #86 the rest of the year, so why not? :D
Agreed - it's understandable - and she's against a top seed who's due a slot on a showcourt as well.

A tournament will want to showcase its home players for the benefit of the home fans - it's entirely to be expected.

Peoples
03-13-2007, 01:00 AM
You're Brazilian so you can't talk.

Typical Argentine attitude.:rolleyes:

Peoples
03-13-2007, 01:01 AM
So technically Bush is a massive murderer.
I follow your logic.

Off topic :rolleyes:

Psichogauchovna
03-13-2007, 01:01 AM
Carlos :hug: :yeah: :hearts:
well done!! keep it up! you can :rocker2: :smooch:

SaFed2005
03-13-2007, 01:10 AM
C'mon Moya win the whole thing now!!!

Goonergal
03-13-2007, 01:12 AM
LOL, I think this was a predictable result :o

GlennMirnyi
03-13-2007, 01:26 AM
You're Brazilian so you can't talk.
Remember yesterday he defeated Federer.


Anyway, first Master Series in a year and a half and defeats Federer. It was a good tournament for Cañas but I thought he would be able to beat Moya. I didn't see the match because it was on court 3 so I don't know if Moya played well or if Cañas played badly.

Why can't I talk? :lol:

Just because the only player we had is a bigger achiever than all the players that ever came from your country, it doesn't mean I can't talk. :haha:

Peoples
03-13-2007, 01:29 AM
Why can't I talk? :lol:

Just because the only player we had is a bigger achiever than all the players that ever came from your country, it doesn't mean I can't talk. :haha:

Well, the dopetards will have something to say about that. They have(had) not 1 but 5 journeymen dopers that they're all proud of!

trixtah
03-13-2007, 01:30 AM
He doesn't say anything that's false. People tend to forget that Canas was banned for forbidden substance abuse. That is cheating no matter how these got into his body, who injected them or whatever and he can be called cheater with regards to that. Technically Mistaflava is correct.

nobody injected them, clown. it was prescription

peoples, you're still trolling? I'm amazed you aren't making up excuses in other threads, Mr. "roger couldn't even walk off the court from his injury"

Peoples
03-13-2007, 01:34 AM
nobody injected them, clown. it was prescription

peoples, you're still trolling? I'm amazed you aren't making up excuses in other threads, Mr. "roger couldn't even walk off the court from his injury"

You are still trolling, retard?

trixtah
03-13-2007, 01:35 AM
You are still trolling, retard?

no, i'm actually putting information into the thread for ignorants like yourself. you need to google "trolling"

great win carlossss!

That's the kind of crappy information you put in? It's you who's trolling here

go ADD? can't read just two posts up? sad little boy

Peoples
03-13-2007, 01:37 AM
great win carlossss!
That's the kind of crappy information you put in? It's you who's trolling here

Sunset of Age
03-13-2007, 01:37 AM
Heavens.
To paraphrase the bloke who repaired my skis after I trashed them by trying out to ski over the Alp's ROCKS yesterday - "This burns my eyes!!!"

VAMOS, CARLOS!!! :worship: :worship: :worship:

MaryWalsh
03-13-2007, 01:48 AM
I like them both. Good work Charly!

marti_228
03-13-2007, 01:56 AM
Why can't I talk? :lol:

Just because the only player we had is a bigger achiever than all the players that ever came from your country, it doesn't mean I can't talk. :haha:


Seriously, are you dumb?
You can't talk because nowadays the best Brazilian player is Thiago Alves (ranking:118). Of course you CAN talk, but it's stupid.
Then, I respect Kuerten and he was/is a fantastic player and achieved lots of things but I think Vilas was a better player even if he never got to be the number 1 thanks to a curious system.


You, Peoples, Mistlava (or whatever her name is) and others don't have anything more to do than insulting Argentinians or Cañas in particular? How sad.

:)

tangerine_dream
03-13-2007, 01:58 AM
Total fluke win over Roger, that's all the Gods had in store for Willy. Canas has had his Muller moment now he can go home. :)

Well done, Carlos :bigclap:

Jogy
03-13-2007, 02:00 AM
THANKS LORD MOYA FOR THROWING THIS PIECE OUT! :)


nobody injected them, clown. it was prescription
spare me with the link to the court decision or with the words of it, I got it enough already
in other words the sport is: you only need to find somebody who gives you the doping stuff and then you are free and only neglect

funny how people believe this from the court only when it gives them what they want to hear
as soon as the court says you are "guilty" they are calling the same court conspiracy or all other excuses that were in use :lol:

scoobs
03-13-2007, 02:02 AM
My GOD how long are you people going to BORE everyone to death over this subject?

Can we have some sort of timescales here after which you'll give it a fucking rest?

cmurray
03-13-2007, 02:04 AM
Nice work, Charly.

mmmm....Moya........:devil: :angel:

trixtah
03-13-2007, 02:09 AM
Seriously - even if I agreed 100% with any of these trolls, at this point I'd be getting out the muzzles. :D

And as long as Cañas is back on the tour and notching big wins it seems like this :bs: is going to be a chronic disease on the back of MTF.

I fear the same :( MTF has degenerated, for the most part, into a microcosm of middle school, with girls arguing over what brand of makeup to use--TRIVIAL and IRRELEVANT (most of the time) SHIT

cmurray
03-13-2007, 02:10 AM
He's so nasty. :devil:

Sweet baby Jesus, yes. Absolutely filthy. :drool:

Snowwy
03-13-2007, 02:11 AM
But make up brands are important... :rolleyes:

MaryWalsh
03-13-2007, 02:12 AM
I fear the same :( MTF has degenerated, for the most part, into a microcosm of middle school, with girls arguing over what brand of makeup to use--TRIVIAL and IRRELEVANT (most of the time) SHIT

or like boys arguing over . . . over . . . hmmm :tape:

Metis
03-13-2007, 02:13 AM
I fear the same :( MTF has degenerated, for the most part, into a microcosm of middle school, with girls arguing over what brand of makeup to use--TRIVIAL and IRRELEVANT (most of the time) SHIT

I didn't know that happens in middle school these days!!! Times have changed a lot. :lol:


J'torian, you naughty boy! :D
You can have Carlos though. I'm not interested in him at all.

megadeth
03-13-2007, 02:13 AM
i think the drugs wore off on this match :p

Mistaflava
03-13-2007, 02:14 AM
i think the drugs wore off on this match :p


:worship:


It's too obvious...

trixtah
03-13-2007, 02:14 AM
I didn't know that happens in middle school these days!!! Times have changed a lot. :lol:


J'torian, you naughty boy! :D
You can have Carlos though. I'm not interested in him at all.

I am never taking a class where I have to deal with these children again:scared: :scared: :scared:

or like boys arguing over . . . over . . . hmmm :tape:

you know what they say about guys with big feet...





...they need big shoes

casabe
03-13-2007, 02:17 AM
Cañas only mission was to save Vilas record

trixtah
03-13-2007, 02:18 AM
Cañas only mission was to save Vilas record

yeah, Canas totally tanked this match :D

Corey Feldman
03-13-2007, 02:19 AM
WTf Willy..
you take out the champ only to be a chump the next day
:banghead:

Action Jackson
03-13-2007, 02:21 AM
Ah! the MTF Court of law, where some can't handle a decision that was made by qualified people and the correct procedures weren't originally followed, cause if they were, then the appeal would have been denied, just like Karantancheva's case was.

Good win by Moya.

cmurray
03-13-2007, 02:23 AM
J'torian, you naughty boy! :D
You can have Carlos though. I'm not interested in him at all.

Hey! What about me??? :( :sobbing:

I thought you LIKED me, Metis. I'm wounded. Deeply.

I'll have to console myself with Rafa. sigh.

Jogy
03-13-2007, 02:29 AM
Ah! the MTF Court of law, where some can't handle a decision that was made by qualified people and the correct procedures weren't originally followed, cause if they were, then the appeal would have been denied, just like Karantancheva's case was.
As I said, that's the funny think. Suddenly the court is qualifyed and make the right decision :lol: And when it says somebody is guilty, the fanboys still believe in innocence and in conspiracy that the court is wrong :lol:

And even more funny, people make hundreds of threads about Agassi, Hewitt, Roddick or player they hate when they do little things wrong, but then somebody cheats hard behind closed doors on fair players and this is nothing and gets deleted from the records.

Metis
03-13-2007, 02:30 AM
Hey! What about me??? :( :sobbing:

I thought you LIKED me, Metis. I'm wounded. Deeply.

I'll have to console myself with Rafa. sigh.

:lol: You can share Carlos with J'torian. One of you will have his/her way with Carlos while the other is fending off Flavia and then the other way around.

Hands off Rafa though. He is mine and I am not going to share him with anyone (hit the road Xisca!). :armed:


:haha:

cmurray
03-13-2007, 02:36 AM
:lol: You can share Carlos with J'torian. One of you will have his/her way with Carlos while the other is fending off Flavia and then the other way around.

Hands off Rafa though. He is mine and I am not going to share him with anyone (hit the road Xisca!). :armed:


:haha:

pffftt. I'd have Charly to dangle in front of Rafa's nose. You wouldn't stand a chance. muahahahahaha

Action Jackson
03-13-2007, 02:39 AM
As I said, that's the funny think. Suddenly the court is qualifyed and make the right decision :lol: And when it says somebody is guilty, the fanboys still believe in innocence and in conspiracy that the court is wrong :lol:

And even more funny, people make hundreds of threads about Agassi, Hewitt, Roddick or player they hate when they do little things wrong, but then somebody cheats hard behind closed doors on fair players and this is nothing and gets deleted from the records.

Thanks Jogy, you just make it easier and easier.

- Koubek well he didn't sign for the form the injection he got from his doctor for his wrist injury. He appealed it and while it wasn't performance enhancing, he didn't sign the form. I like the guy, but he had to cop the suspension. That was the correct decision in this case.

- You do know that the CAS is an indepedent tribunal and the ATP isn't. Since you are one to go on about fairness and the like, then isn't it better than independent courts handle these cases?

We can still keep going in circles if you want? Why did Rusedski get off his charge and Coria didn't when it was exactly for the same thing, that both tested positive for?

There must have been enough doubt in the Rusedski case and the ATP were giving out contanimated products, that all of those cases were wiped out. So where you bitching about Rusedski getting off and yes he tested positive to nandrolene.

morningglory
03-13-2007, 02:43 AM
lawl to those who accuse Canas of redoping...

cmurray
03-13-2007, 02:44 AM
Ah, the old "lure a sexy man into your bed using his nasty older-brother-figure as bait" routine. :devil:

Dude. It's FOOLPROOF! :angel:

And since I like you, I'll let you borrow my technique. So....does Robredo have a nasty older-brother-figure? If not, you could try honey and bagels....I heard that works.:angel:

Metis
03-13-2007, 02:46 AM
pffftt. I'd have Charly to dangle in front of Rafa's nose. You wouldn't stand a chance. muahahahahaha

Oh PLLEASE! Charly wouldn't stand a chance against me. Besides he doesn't have anything new to teach Rafa. It would be like asking women to wear corsets again.

scoobs
03-13-2007, 02:46 AM
Dude. It's FOOLPROOF! :angel:

And since I like you, I'll let you borrow my technique. So....does Robredo have a nasty older-brother-figure? If not, you could try honey and bagels....I heard that works.:angel:
Failing that, his father - he's a silver fox :devil:

Jogy
03-13-2007, 02:47 AM
Hitler, you know well enough to know better that people like the decision they want to hear better than a decision they do not want. No need to keep going about that.

And if a independant court would say Bush is innocent in front of law, you would believe it too as well?

And if Agassi had doped and catched for it, I'm sure you would accept the same decision as good to your same liking, right?


There must have been enough doubt in the Rusedski case and the ATP were giving out contanimated products, that all of those cases were wiped out. So where you bitching about Rusedski getting off and yes he tested positive to nandrolene.
At time when Rusedski doped I probably was not on forum already to bash him.

cmurray
03-13-2007, 02:52 AM
Oh PLLEASE! Charly wouldn't stand a chance against me. Besides he doesn't have anything new to teach Rafa. It would be like asking women to wear corsets again.

Corsets? CORSETS? You can't pull out the kinky undergarment card! :mad: That's fighting dirty. J'torian! She's CHEATING! :fiery:

Action Jackson
03-13-2007, 02:58 AM
Hitler, you know well enough to know better that people like the decision they want to hear better than a decision they do not want. No need to keep going about that.

And if a independant court would say Bush is innocent in front of law, you would believe it too as well?

And if Agassi had doped and catched for it, I'm sure you would accept the same decision as good to your same liking, right?

At time when Rusedski doped I probably was not on forum already to bash him.

You still didn't answer the question. Would you rather have an independent court that has nothing to do with the organisation that you are apart of or some internal organisation judging your case in relation to fairness?

To answer the first 3 parts of the question. Here Marion Jones someone I don't like, she tested positive wth an A sample and somehow tested negative with a B sample. She had to be cleared of doping didn't she?

As for Agassi, well like anyone they have the right to appeal a case and if that appeal is successful, then fine.

There are laws and procedures that have to be followed in all parts of an investigation and I want an honest answer to this question. Have you actually read the Cañas file or not?

safinaferrero
03-13-2007, 03:01 AM
I like both of their game but well done Charly :yeah:

cmurray
03-13-2007, 03:06 AM
You still didn't answer the question. Would you rather have an independent court that has nothing to do with the organisation that you are apart of or some internal organisation judging your case in relation to fairness?

To answer the first 3 parts of the question. Here Marion Jones someone I don't like, she tested positive wth an A sample and somehow tested negative with a B sample. She had to be cleared of doping didn't she?

As for Agassi, well like anyone they have the right to appeal a case and if that appeal is successful, then fine.

There are laws and procedures that have to be followed in all parts of an investigation and I want an honest answer to this question. Have you actually read the Cañas file or not?


I agree, GWH. And I HAVE read the circumstances/verdict surrounding Canas. I doubt highly if it is easy to have a doping conviction overturned. After a careful investigation, if they say it wasn't Canas' fault, but the tournament people...well, I'm inclined to believe it. What would they have to gain by incorrectly overturning the ruling in the first place?

~EMiLiTA~
03-13-2007, 03:08 AM
sad for Cañas that he couldn't back up the win but this happens so often.

Congrats to Charly...he's having a pretty good year so far! Shame he has to play another Spaniard now :(

Action Jackson
03-13-2007, 03:12 AM
I agree, GWH. And I HAVE read the circumstances/verdict surrounding Canas. I doubt highly if it is easy to have a doping conviction overturned. After a careful investigation, if they say it wasn't Canas' fault, but the tournament people...well, I'm inclined to believe it. What would they have to gain by incorrectly overturning the ruling in the first place?

Canas isn't totally blameless, in the manner that the athlete should know or his handlers should know what's on the banned list, but since it was the tournament people that got the medication that lead to the positive test. This is negligence.

Hrbaty in Dubai last year, he was ill and he had to make a medication to help him get over the illness, which contained a banned substance. He signed the form and informed the testing people of what he was taking to get over the illness, therefore no problem.

Jogy
03-13-2007, 03:13 AM
You still didn't answer the question. Would you rather have an independent court that has nothing to do with the organisation that you are apart of or some internal organisation judging your case in relation to fairness?
easy answer, of course independant is better

To answer the first 3 parts of the question. Here Marion Jones someone I don't like, she tested positive wth an A sample and somehow tested negative with a B sample. She had to be cleared of doping didn't she?
Should smell to you and should ring alart bells when this happens!

As for Agassi, well like anyone they have the right to appeal a case and if that appeal is successful, then fine.
but you hold it against them, or do you suddenly scratch and delete it?
in your memory you don't buy it and that is what I don't buy with Canas

There are laws and procedures that have to be followed in all parts of an investigation and I want an honest answer to this question. Have you actually read the Cañas file or not?
not the big many pages case, only the summary in shortness
it was enough already to see how they excused it that it was not significant and that the doctor gave it to him

cmurray
03-13-2007, 03:15 AM
Canas isn't totally blameless, in the manner that the athlete should know or his handlers should know what's on the banned list, but since it was the tournament people that got the medication that lead to the positive test. This is negligence.

Hrbaty in Dubai last year, he was ill and he had to make a medication to help him get over the illness, which contained a banned substance. He signed the form and informed the testing people of what he was taking to get over the illness, therefore no problem.

Oh, no doubt Canas was guilty of stupidity. But should that get him a gazillion year ban? No. I'm just saying that they don't just overturn these rulings on a lark.

Action Jackson
03-13-2007, 03:33 AM
easy answer, of course independant is better


Just making sure.

Should smell to you and should ring alart bells when this happens!

Well the fact her ex-husband CJ Hunter failed 4 drug tests and had a nandrolone level 1000x over the normal limit and the father of her kid was involved in the drugs scandal. There are going to be suspicions, but she had to be let off in her case cause of the test results.

but you hold it against them, or do you suddenly scratch and delete it?
in your memory you don't buy it and that is what I don't buy with Canas

Difference is not everything is in black and white and there are grey areas and every single case is different. It's up to the individual to prove their innoncence.

not the big many pages case, only the summary in shortness
it was enough already to see how they excused it that it was not significant and that the doctor gave it to him

You can read the whole thing if you are interested, but a lot of it is boring legal stuff. If you have read the summary, then how is Canas guilty of deliberately trying to dope, when he was not the one that got the specific medication personally without passing through a number of people that lead to his test result?

He deserved a suspension for being negligent, but it wasn't deliberate.

Merton
03-13-2007, 03:49 AM
Congrats Carlos :hatoff:

I♥PsY@Mus!c
03-13-2007, 04:23 AM
You waste the draw,Willy! :mad:

Xristos
03-13-2007, 04:28 AM
Vamoooooooooooos Carlooosssssssssssss!!!!!!!

Mistaflava
03-13-2007, 05:18 AM
Canas isn't totally blameless, in the manner that the athlete should know or his handlers should know what's on the banned list, but since it was the tournament people that got the medication that lead to the positive test. This is negligence.

Hrbaty in Dubai last year, he was ill and he had to make a medication to help him get over the illness, which contained a banned substance. He signed the form and informed the testing people of what he was taking to get over the illness, therefore no problem.



That's the non-Canas way to do it. Dopers will be dopers...

Mistaflava
03-13-2007, 05:19 AM
Oh, no doubt Canas was guilty of stupidity. But should that get him a gazillion year ban? No. I'm just saying that they don't just overturn these rulings on a lark.



He tried to cheat so yes it does warrant a ban of much more than 2 years...

gillian
03-13-2007, 05:20 AM
Ok, so what happened here? Canas have a let down.

I still have a soft spot for Carlos, even though he's frustrated me over the years.

Action Jackson
03-13-2007, 05:24 AM
That's the non-Canas way to do it. Dopers will be dopers...

Considering he didn't try and cheat, he got his suspension reduced and best of all it's fun watching how pissed off you get by it. If they thought he was cheating, then the 2 years would have stood, not hard to comprehend.

TMJordan
03-13-2007, 05:29 AM
Considering he didn't try and cheat, he got his suspension reduced and best of all it's fun watching how pissed off you get by it. If they thought he was cheating, then the 2 years would have stood, not hard to comprehend.

Don't even waste your breath on him GWH; both Flava and Jaap should be banned from MTF(and life) for ther lack of knowledge and muppetness.

jayjay
03-13-2007, 05:30 AM
As I said, that's the funny think. Suddenly the court is qualifyed and make the right decision :lol: And when it says somebody is guilty, the fanboys still believe in innocence and in conspiracy that the court is wrong :lol:

This isn't the first time that you and a few other cretins find themselves talking about the Canas case. During that time you've exhibited quite a significant degree of ignorance on the subject as well as an inability or unwillingness to read and/or understand the CAS verdict.

How long is this to continue before you educate yourself on what happened, so that you can better direct your anger in more appropriate directions?

jayjay
03-13-2007, 05:34 AM
He tried to cheat so yes it does warrant a ban of much more than 2 years...

So he asked the ATP medic to prescribe him banned substances, is that what you're saying? You should present your evidence to the appropriate authorities. I'm sure they'll be very interested in your factually based findings.

LocoPorElTenis
03-13-2007, 06:40 AM
Willy :hug:

Meeek
03-13-2007, 08:08 AM
Hell yeah :banana:

maqk
03-13-2007, 08:59 AM
Actually, when you're repeatedly calling someone a doper and a cheat and deliberately contradicting the judgment of the Court of Arbitration for Sport regarding Cañas's suspension, that's close to libel. Moreover, the fact that you're upset about your handiwork being deleted shows that you're only worried about getting attention with your trolling, and you're deliberately trying to turn a thread meant to celebrate Moya's win into a soapbox for your agenda re. Cañas.

Fortunately for you, no one takes the ranting of a single bored person on a message board seriously enough to actually sue that person for libel, so personally I think you should be grateful that deleted posts are the worst of your problems.

Congrats to Lord Carlos for a solid win, and for saving all his break points! :bowdown:agreed

LocoPorElTenis
03-13-2007, 09:29 AM
Why can't I talk? :lol:

Just because the only player we had is a bigger achiever than all the players that ever came from your country, it doesn't mean I can't talk. :haha:

Guga :hug: .
I for one prefer depth than flukes. I think Spain or France or USA are better tennis countries than Switzerland.
Two more words: Guillermo Vilas :hug:

Now back to the regular xenophobia programming by Glenn, IvanLjubicic, Peoples, Mistaflava and supporting cast... :rolleyes:

Carlita
03-13-2007, 09:35 AM
what happened to this thread?:confused: it's about who won/lost not if someone is a cheater or not. Cañas did his time, let it rest....it's in the past. :rolleyes:


:aparty: WELL DONE CARLOS :aparty:

maqk
03-13-2007, 09:48 AM
what happened to this thread?:confused: it's about who won/lost not if someone is a cheater or not. Cañas did his time, let it rest....it's in the past. :rolleyes:


:aparty: WELL DONE CARLOS :aparty:
yeah, lets celebrate

Carlita
03-13-2007, 09:51 AM
yeah, lets celebrate
:woohoo: :bounce: :woohoo:

;):D

Mateya
03-13-2007, 10:22 AM
VAMOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOS...

:) :banana:

Carlita ;)

maqk
03-13-2007, 10:23 AM
:woohoo: :bounce: :woohoo:

;):D:bounce: :clap2: :bigclap: :yippee: :banana: :rocker: :aparty: :tennis: :rocker2: :music:

Mateya
03-13-2007, 10:25 AM
maqk, LOOOOOOOOL :D :D

Nathaliia
03-13-2007, 12:37 PM
Meanwhile, the well-known doper Rusedski is playing a challenger in Sarajevo.

Bashing time.

martine2
03-13-2007, 12:38 PM
Where are the Argies now? What a joke, losing to grandpa Moya. :lol:

Well you provide me a grandpa like that and I'll adopt him right away :drool: :drool:

Great win Carlos!

Carlita
03-13-2007, 01:00 PM
Well you provide me a grandpa like that and I'll adopt him right away :drool: :drool:

:rolls: uhuh :lol:

cmurray
03-13-2007, 01:02 PM
Well you provide me a grandpa like that and I'll adopt him right away :drool: :drool:

Great win Carlos!

I'll third that. ;)

judeluo
03-13-2007, 02:27 PM
Now I do believe it's just another rare slip-of-the-hand for Rogi when he was just having a bad day.

gillian
03-13-2007, 02:57 PM
http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20070312/capt.camt10503122229.indian_wells_tennis_camt105.j pg Carlos! :hearts: So nasty. :drool:

Wow. Still a hottie after all these years.

lorenz
03-13-2007, 03:36 PM
I agree.

Don't even waste your breath on him GWH; both Flava and Jaap should be banned from MTF(and life) for ther lack of knowledge and muppetness.

dl05
03-13-2007, 03:37 PM
Go Moya:D

Really playing well this year. Get back into the top 20;)

martine2
03-13-2007, 03:38 PM
Wow. Still a hottie after all these years.


I like his looks better now then 10 years ago. The boy is a real man now :drool:

Kitty de Sade
03-13-2007, 03:40 PM
Wow. Still a hottie after all these years.

No doubt...ageless, just like a fine wine. The ink is wicked hot too- love it.

If every grandpa is destined to look like this, I have a one word response: YUM! :p

cmurray
03-13-2007, 06:45 PM
No doubt...ageless, just like a fine wine. The ink is wicked hot too- love it.

If every grandpa is destined to look like this, I have a one word response: YUM! :p

Yeah...I'm not usually much of a tatoo fan, but it works on him.

And I agree - better now than he was 10 years ago. Flavia is one lucky lady.

Mistaflava
03-13-2007, 06:46 PM
I agree.


which makes you a sheep

Kolya
03-13-2007, 10:07 PM
Canas peaked too early :D

safinaferrero
03-14-2007, 01:57 AM
Leighton Ginn
The Desert Sun
March 12, 2007
INDIAN WELLS - It kind of figures it would take an Argentinian named Guillermo to protect the record of another Argentinian named Guillermo.

In the most stunning upset of the Pacific Life Open, the seemingly invincible Roger Federer lost to Guillermo Canas 7-5, 6-2 in the second round.

Federer was chasing Guillermo Vilas' ATP and ITF record of 46 consecutive victories. Had Federer, standing at 41 victories, won the title, he would have eclipsed the record.

Who would have thought Canas would be the one to end Federer's streak? And it's even more surprising to do it in the early rounds of a major tournament.

Since Federer took over the No. 1 ranking in February 2004, he has only lost to 11 players.

And who would have thought his victory streak would end at the hands of Canas, who lost to Alexander Waske 7-5, 4-6, 7-5 in qualifying.

"I think in the last match in qualifying, I played great," Canas said. "I have a lot of chance(s). I didn't take it because Waske play very good. But you know, tennis is like this. You never win all the matches. And I didn't play my best tennis in the last round, and I am lucky to be a lucky loser, and it's great to take the chance when you have (it)."

So if Xavier Malisse didn't pull out of the tournament at the last minute with a wrist injury, Canas might have never gotten in the tournament to record, arguably, his greatest victory.

The last time the two met in Indian Wells, Federer wasted little time in disposing of Canas, 6-3, 6-1 in the 2005 semifinal.

But there were so many other things on the line for Federer this time.

Federer could have been the first player to win an ATP Masters Series event four consecutive years with a title here.

Federer came into the event with 495 career victories and needed to reach the finals for 500.

But in chasing history, maybe history was working against Federer.

The last time a player came into the Pacific Life Open with a chance to break Vilas' record was 25 years ago, when Ivan Lendl brought a 44-match winning streak into the La Quinta Resort and Club, playing a final against Yannick Noah.

The flamboyant Noah won over the crowd and created a Davis Cup-type atmosphere that helped propel the Frenchman to a 6-3, 2-6, 7-5 victory. Upset by the partisan crowd, Lendl never returned to the desert.

Hopefully, Federer won't follow suit.

While everyone was following Federer's numbers, people overlooked Canas' numbers. Canas had won 45 of 51 matches since returning from a 15-month drug suspension, prevailing in some of the smaller stages.

However, Canas was always one of the most dangerous players on the tour.

He was twice a quarterfinalist at the French Open and reached No. 8 in the world just before his suspension.

Canas' suspension was a result of receiving some cold medication from the ATP Tour doctors in Acapulco in February, 2005. The medicine contained the drug hydrochlorothiazide, a diuretic.

Canas vehemently proclaimed his innocence, and his two-year suspension was reduced.

Canas hit rock bottom at the U.S. Open, when he went to see his girlfriend, Maria Emilia Salerni.

"It was tough because I was in the door," Canas said solemnly of his getting into the Open but then being thrown out because the suspension. "I feel like (expletive)."

After Canas had his suspension reduced, he returned with a focus and a drive. On Sunday, he reached the pinnacle of his comeback.

"I dream about this. I didn't expect," Canas said.

Beat
03-14-2007, 11:07 AM
haha, this is funny. well done, carlos.

Jogy
03-14-2007, 11:25 AM
Don't even waste your breath on him GWH; both Flava and Jaap should be banned from MTF(and life) for ther lack of knowledge and muppetness.
of course everybody who is not your oppinion or who does not kiss Canas ass should be banned :rocker2:
don't act hypocrite to say that you like all players!
always funny to see how so many swear on a player if Roddick, Blake or Hewitt say only one wrong word (not taking anything, only talking), but you ask from others to delete the history of Canas :lol:

Action Jackson
03-14-2007, 11:41 AM
of course everybody who is not your oppinion or who does not kiss Canas ass should be banned :rocker2:
don't act hypocrite to say that you like all players!
always funny to see how so many swear on a player if Roddick, Blake or Hewitt say only one wrong word (not taking anything, only talking), but you ask from others to delete the history of Canas :lol:

As per usual the same tactics of bringing unrelated people or unrelated to the relevant topic in an attempt to make someone else look bad.

If you are so sure that Canas is cheating, then the relevant authorities will want to know. Considering he didn't get the stuff himself and it was the tournament officials who did, and I already said Canas was stupid for not knowing what he should and shouldn't take, but it was the tournament doctors and officials who got the product and not Canas, but you are so biased that you can't see that.


http://www.itftennis.com/antidoping/...e.asp?id=16515


Court of Arbitration for Sport reduces suspension of Guillermo Canas to 15 months

Lausanne, 23 May 2006 – The Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) has partially upheld the appeal filed by the Argentinean tennis player, Guillermo Cañas, against the decision of the Anti-doping Tribunal of the ATP Tour of 7 August 2005.

The Tribunal of the ATP Tour found that Guillermo Cañas tested positive for the prohibited substance hydrochlorothiazide (HCT) at the ATP tournament “Abierto Mexicano de Tenis” in Acapulco, Mexico on 21 February 2005. As a consequence, the Tribunal of the ATP Tour disqualified the Player from the Acapulco tournament and suspended him for a period of two years, effective from 11 June 2005. Furthermore, the Tribunal ordered the disqualification of the Player from the competitions he took part in between 21 February 2005 and 11 June 2005, with the exception of Roland Garros, a tournament during which he tested negative.

The Player filed an appeal with the CAS on 29 August 2005 to request the annulment of the ATP Tour decision. This matter was submitted to a panel composed of Ms Maidie Oliveau (USA), President, Mr Christopher Campbell (USA) and Mr Yves Fortier (Canada). The parties, their representatives and witnesses were heard by the Panel at a hearing in New York on 19 and 20 January 2006.

On the basis of the evidence submitted by the parties, the Panel of arbitrators found that the Player ingested a medication called “Rofucal”, delivered to him by the tournament staff in Acapulco although the tournament doctor prescribed a different medication for him . G.Cañas took the medication he received without reviewing the content of the box, even though he knew that the medication had been through several hands before being delivered to him. The Panel noted also that the doping control form completed by the Player did not list the medication prescribed by the tournament doctor.

The Panel considered that the Player was entitled to rely on the expertise of independent medical staff provided by the organisers of the Acapulco tournament. The arbitrators also emphasised the fact that a mistake in the delivery of the medication was made not by the Player, but rather by the tournament staff. However, the Panel considered that the Player had a duty of utmost caution after visiting the tournament doctor to ascertain whether the medication received was indeed the medication prescribed by the doctor.

In conclusion, the Panel was of the opinion that the negligence committed by the Player was not significant and decided that his period of ineligibility should be reduced by nine months, from two years to fifteen months. The suspension of G. Cañas which started on 11 June 2005 will come to end on 10 September 2006. In addition, the Panel decided that other than with respect to the Acapulco tournament, none of the results achieved by G.Canãs before 11 June 2005 should be disqualified.

The full text of the CAS Award is published below as a pdf, and on the CAS website www.tas-cas.org.

Jogy
03-14-2007, 11:47 AM
Hitler, I didn't mean you and I know this article already, I was talking about tennismaster and his post. He should not do as if he likes all players and then talk such crap that all should be banned only because they do not liking Canas or kiss his ass for that win. Next time some other player do something little bad, he will be as negative-biased like I am.

Action Jackson
03-14-2007, 11:51 AM
The facts are very clear Jogy as to why he got off. As I said many times before it's not in the CAS interest just to uphold cases all the time, witness Karantecheva and Koubek.

But you probably think Rusedski is OK, he got cleared and good for him, so why don't you go on about him being a drug cheat. You are being selective Jogy when it suits you, the thing you accuse others of.

Jogy
03-14-2007, 11:56 AM
But you probably think Rusedski is OK, he got cleared and good for him, so why don't you go on about him being a drug cheat. You are being selective Jogy when it suits you, the thing you accuse others of.
Now do you want to explain me that you are the fairest person on world or that you have no bias, no favourites and no player who you dislike hard?