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Religion of Peace; the Rushdie case

kapranos
03-11-2007, 03:37 AM
The Satanic Verses is Salman Rushdie's fourth novel, first published in 1988 and inspired in part by the life of Muhammad. The title refers to the Satanic Verses, an attempted interpolation in the Qur'an described by Ibn Ishaq in his biography of Muhammad (the oldest surviving text). The authenticity of these Satanic verses has been disputed by the earliest Muslim historians.

The novel caused much controversy upon publication in 1988, as many Muslims considered that it contained blasphemous references. India was the first country to ban the book. Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, the Supreme Leader of Iran, a Shi'a Muslim scholar, issued a fatwa that called for the death of Rushdie and claimed that it was the duty of every Muslim to obey, despite never having read the book.

On February 14, 1989, the Ayatollah broadcast the following message on Iranian radio: "I inform the proud Muslim people of the world that the author of the Satanic Verses book, which is against Islam, the Prophet and the Qur'an, and all those involved in its publication who are aware of its content are sentenced to death."

As a result, Hitoshi Igarashi, the Japanese language translator of the book was stabbed to death on July 11, 1991;

Ettore Capriolo, the Italian language translator, was seriously injured in a stabbing the same month; and

William Nygaard, the publisher in Norway, survived an attempted assassination in Oslo in October of 1993.

On February 14, 2006, the Iranian state news agency reported that the fatwa will remain in place permanently.



Religion of peace :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:

mtw
03-12-2007, 12:29 PM
The Satanic Verses is Salman Rushdie's fourth novel, first published in 1988 and inspired in part by the life of Muhammad. The title refers to the Satanic Verses, an attempted interpolation in the Qur'an described by Ibn Ishaq in his biography of Muhammad (the oldest surviving text). The authenticity of these Satanic verses has been disputed by the earliest Muslim historians.

The novel caused much controversy upon publication in 1988, as many Muslims considered that it contained blasphemous references. India was the first country to ban the book. Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, the Supreme Leader of Iran, a Shi'a Muslim scholar, issued a fatwa that called for the death of Rushdie and claimed that it was the duty of every Muslim to obey, despite never having read the book.

On February 14, 1989, the Ayatollah broadcast the following message on Iranian radio: "I inform the proud Muslim people of the world that the author of the Satanic Verses book, which is against Islam, the Prophet and the Qur'an, and all those involved in its publication who are aware of its content are sentenced to death."

As a result, Hitoshi Igarashi, the Japanese language translator of the book was stabbed to death on July 11, 1991;

Ettore Capriolo, the Italian language translator, was seriously injured in a stabbing the same month; and

William Nygaard, the publisher in Norway, survived an attempted assassination in Oslo in October of 1993.

On February 14, 2006, the Iranian state news agency reported that the fatwa will remain in place permanently.



Religion of peace :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:

It seems, that they respect their religion very much. Besides you must know, that this people and Jews belong to Semitic race. And these people are quite another, than we are. Both these nations, who belong to one race are quite shabby and irreconcilable.
You have really something against Islam. Why? What is your religion? I suppose, that you are not Catholic.

buddyholly
03-12-2007, 02:47 PM
Why are you bringing this up now? When I brought it up last year, mandoura replied, ''Oh spare me the tears for Rushdie, who cares?''
Seems the matter is as dead as the Dafur non-Muslims.

zicofirol
03-12-2007, 06:38 PM
Seems the matter is as dead as the Dafur non-Muslims.

lol, sad but very true...

Islam is a joke, it doesn't take much to come to that conclusion, if by now one cant come to that conclusion, then they have abandoned reason and no amount of new facts will change their mind...

kapranos
03-12-2007, 06:39 PM
Well, you might or might not be aware, that in the name of CHRISTIANITY, people have gone and murdered doctors in abortion clinics.

That's not really comparable to blow up buildings, trains and subways. I haven't heard much significant stories the last years about doctors being murdered anyway.

In India, the Hindu have razed a mosque to the ground because it was built (100s of years ago) on land that they say is a sacred Hindu ground.

Oh. And a buddhist stole a candy one day, that really blows up my theory that Islam isn't a religion of peace...

kapranos
03-12-2007, 06:42 PM
For some mysterious reason, my replies show up in the middle of the thread.

R.Federer
03-12-2007, 07:20 PM
Kapranos, although I wish you would stop these Islam threads (except when there is a genuine cause for debate), I will ask you one question:

Can you give me ONE example of a mainstream religion, whose extremists have not reacted with VIOLENCE for some reason or another that goes against their beliefs?

I am not condoning violence. But to start a string of threads just on ONE religion, the evidence is suggestive that you are as narrow minded as the extremists.


The Satanic Verses is Salman Rushdie's fourth novel, first published in 1988 and inspired in part by the life of Muhammad. The title refers to the Satanic Verses, an attempted interpolation in the Qur'an described by Ibn Ishaq in his biography of Muhammad (the oldest surviving text). The authenticity of these Satanic verses has been disputed by the earliest Muslim historians.

The novel caused much controversy upon publication in 1988, as many Muslims considered that it contained blasphemous references. India was the first country to ban the book. Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, the Supreme Leader of Iran, a Shi'a Muslim scholar, issued a fatwa that called for the death of Rushdie and claimed that it was the duty of every Muslim to obey, despite never having read the book.

On February 14, 1989, the Ayatollah broadcast the following message on Iranian radio: "I inform the proud Muslim people of the world that the author of the Satanic Verses book, which is against Islam, the Prophet and the Qur'an, and all those involved in its publication who are aware of its content are sentenced to death."

As a result, Hitoshi Igarashi, the Japanese language translator of the book was stabbed to death on July 11, 1991;

Ettore Capriolo, the Italian language translator, was seriously injured in a stabbing the same month; and

William Nygaard, the publisher in Norway, survived an attempted assassination in Oslo in October of 1993.

On February 14, 2006, the Iranian state news agency reported that the fatwa will remain in place permanently.



Religion of peace :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:

zicofirol
03-12-2007, 07:22 PM
The whole problem in the Middle East, well there are two players there -- the extremist Muslim, but also the extreme right wing Judaism followers.

So you see, everybody who is an extremist, behaves in an extremist way. You cannot say that one extremist's religion-based murder is somehow more forgivable than another's.

You seem to ignore that the overwhelming majority of terrorist acts recently come from oen group of extremist that is muslims, and the problem in the middle east is that they hate Israel and jews, Israel the country was not formed by a bunch of right wing jews, it is for the most part a secular state...

Comparing current violence from other religions is futile because it doesnt even come close to the violence perpetuated by extrem muslims, and then you have as an example the Islamic countries in the middle east, they have some of the worst human rights records...

kapranos
03-12-2007, 07:23 PM
the evidence is suggestive that you are as narrow minded as the extremists.

I post facts. Where the narrow mindness?

If someone starts a fatwa against an anti-christian, I'll complain too.

R.Federer
03-12-2007, 07:30 PM
I post facts. Where the narrow mindness?

If someone starts a fatwa against an anti-christian, I'll complain too.

Well, you might or might not be aware, that in the name of CHRISTIANITY, people have gone and murdered doctors in abortion clinics. Yeah, that sure sound like it is from the religion of peace.

In India, the Hindu have razed a mosque to the ground because it was built (100s of years ago) on land that they say is a sacred Hindu ground.
Of course, there is religious related warfare by Muslim in India as well.

The whole problem in the Middle East, well there are two players there -- the extremist Muslim, but also the extreme right wing Judaism followers.

So you see, everybody who is an extremist, behaves in an extremist way. You cannot say that one extremist's religion-based murder is somehow more forgivable than another's.

R.Federer
03-12-2007, 08:18 PM
You seem to ignore that the overwhelming majority of terrorist acts recently come from oen group of extremist that is muslims, and the problem in the middle east is that they hate Israel and jews, Israel the country was not formed by a bunch of right wing jews, it is for the most part a secular state...

Comparing current violence from other religions is futile because it doesnt even come close to the violence perpetuated by extrem muslims, and then you have as an example the Islamic countries in the middle east, they have some of the worst human rights records...

I am not ignoring anything. I am very aware of what extremists everywhere are doing. And as for the middle east, it is not just Muslim extremists who hate Jewish people and Israel, it is as well extremist Jewish people who hate Muslims and Muslim countries (what the origins of the formation of Israel has to do with my post and why you are mentioning it, I'm not sure).

To you perhaps comparing violences based on religion is futile. To me it isn't. To me it is in fact hypocritical to condemn just one religion as being violent or extremist, when ALL of the major religions in the world kill in the name of religion. Furthermore, my post was directed quite explicitly to Kaparanos because of his routine dose of uncomplimentary Muslim threads masked in the name of debate.

R.Federer
03-12-2007, 08:20 PM
That's not really comparable to blow up buildings, trains and subways. I haven't heard much significant stories the last years about doctors being murdered anyway.



Oh. And a buddhist stole a candy one day, that really blows up my theory that Islam isn't a religion of peace...

Yes, tearing down a mosque is the same as stealing a piece of candy. It is no surprise that a thread like this would then be started by you, because you have very fixed ideas about people and religion.

zicofirol
03-12-2007, 08:56 PM
I am not ignoring anything. I am very aware of what extremists everywhere are doing. And as for the middle east, it is not just Muslim extremists who hate Jewish people and Israel, it is as well extremist Jewish people who hate Muslims and Muslim countries (what the origins of the formation of Israel has to do with my post and why you are mentioning it, I'm not sure).

To you perhaps comparing violences based on religion is futile. To me it isn't. To me it is in fact hypocritical to condemn just one religion as being violent or extremist, when ALL of the major religions in the world kill in the name of religion. Furthermore, my post was directed quite explicitly to Kaparanos because of his routine dose of uncomplimentary Muslim threads masked in the name of debate.

I dont think extreme jews hate muslims... and the amount of extremist jews is much much much much much much smaller than the amount of hating muslims, its not even comparable in size, and in %...

All religions have killed in the name of religion, but not nearly asmuch as muslims and certainly not recently.. its like trying to compare the islamic terrorist acts to the acts of crazy right win christians who have killed abortion doctors, I mean the number arent even close...

What you seem to not want to admit is the fact that radical islam is the greatest security threat to western civilization, until catholics, christians, jews hindus etc. start strapping bombs and killing hundreds then they cannot be included with radical islam, stop trying to be so PC...

safinaferrero
03-13-2007, 01:13 AM
I almost have pity for you u are so obsessed with muslims that u can't help but open a thread for a very old story. t u never post on general messages or tennis player's forums so why are on this forum ? only there to starts this kind of stupid &non senses threads, i think there are other places to discuss about this kind of topic than a tennis forum no? :angel: as an arabic proverbs say "if u haven't something more beautiful than silence to say than just shut up "maybe despite the fact that u dislike arabic and muslims ppl u should follow it :o

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f59/getulio/Thread%20Pics/stupidthread.jpg

kapranos
03-13-2007, 01:19 AM
I almost have pity for you u are so obsessed with muslims that u can't help but open a thread for a very old story. t u never post on general messages or tennis player's forums so why are on this forum ? only there to starts this kind of stupid &non senses threads, i think there are other places to discuss about this kind of topic than a tennis forum no? :angel: as an arabic proverbs say "if u haven't something more beautiful than silence to say than just shut up "maybe despite the fact that u dislike arabic and muslims ppl u should follow it :o


The Rushdie fatwa is still valid to this day, it's not an old story.

I don't dislike muslims, I dislike Islam, is it that hard to understand the difference?

oz_boz
03-13-2007, 10:11 AM
I post facts. Where the narrow mindness?

kapranos: If you don't realize that comparing the Quran (which is the holy book for a huge number of people and contains tales of both wisdom and violence) with Mein Kampf (containing Hitler's confused babbling about Aryan superiority) is the same as implying that a muslim is equal to a Nazi, then you are indeed narrowminded.

The collision between Western culture and Muslim culture is an important matter, but it is an extremely complex issue. The solution is not to condemn islam as a religion, which you try to do all the time.

To you perhaps comparing violences based on religion is futile. To me it isn't. To me it is in fact hypocritical to condemn just one religion as being violent or extremist, when ALL of the major religions in the world kill in the name of religion. Furthermore, my post was directed quite explicitly to Kaparanos because of his routine dose of uncomplimentary Muslim threads masked in the name of debate.

R.Federer :yeah: Bolded quote is spot on.

buddyholly
03-13-2007, 12:31 PM
If you read through this thread you will see that there is not one reply other than my own that refers to the Rushdie case, just a lot of complaining that someone is starting a thread on a subject that some people apparently don't want to see discussed in public.
Let's talk about the fact that people are being sentenced to death for their art and whether that really represents Islam, or just a highjacking of Islam by extremists.

oz_boz
03-13-2007, 12:55 PM
If you read through this thread you will see that there is not one reply other than my own that refers to the Rushdie case, just a lot of complaining that someone is starting a thread on a subject that some people apparently don't want to see discussed in public.
Let's talk about the fact that people are being sentenced to death for their art and whether that really represents Islam, or just a highjacking of Islam by extremists.

The thread starter has already made itself a reputation with a thread that compares the Quran with Mein Kampf. When it says it is still looking for a serious debate it is very hard not to point to things that the treadstarter needs to sort out before it deserves to be taken seriously.

I think there are many posters on this board that could contribute to a fruitful discussion on the Islam&Western culture issue, kapranos is obviously not among them.

buddyholly
03-13-2007, 01:02 PM
I think there are many posters on this board that could contribute to a fruitful discussion on the Islam&Western culture issue, kapranos is obviously not among them.

The thread is not closed to those many posters.

But when you think of yourself as capable of giving the thumbs up or down on the admissibility of other peoples' posts, then you have missed the point of open discussion.
If you don't care for the views of kapranos, why even enter the thread?

And you are still tiptoeing around the subject of the thread.

kapranos
03-13-2007, 01:12 PM
kapranos: If you don't realize that comparing the Quran (which is the holy book for a huge number of people and contains tales of both wisdom and violence) with Mein Kampf (containing Hitler's confused babbling about Aryan superiority) is the same as implying that a muslim is equal to a Nazi, then you are indeed narrowminded.


1) It's not holy for me. So I can wipe my ass with it, throw it in the fire or smoke it.

2) The Quran also contains a lot of babbling and confusing too.

3) Muslim extremists are indeed as dangerous as nazism. Comparing to what's going to happen in the next 100 years at the current trend, WW2 will look like a rave party in comparison.

oz_boz
03-13-2007, 01:19 PM
But when you think of yourself as capable of giving the thumbs up or down on the admissability of other peoples' posts, then you have missed the point of open discussion. If you don't care for the views of kapranos, why even enter the thread?

IMO someone that fails to see how the infamous Quran-Kampf analogy is utterly disrespectful, narrowminded and nothing close to asking for a reasonable debate, is too far up his own ass to grasp other peoples views.

I try to tell kapranos that, hence entering the thread.

But I could just give it a rat's ass, and on further consideration I will. Won't say anything about "admissability", haven't ever done it either.

oz_boz
03-13-2007, 01:30 PM
1) It's not holy for me. So I can wipe my ass with it, throw it in the fire or smoke it.

2) The Quran also contains a lot of babbling and confusing too.

3) Muslim extremists are indeed as dangerous as nazism. Comparing to what's going to happen in the next 100 years at the current trend, WW2 will look like a rave party in comparison.

Thanks for replying.

So you're only after the extremists? Quotes from you like 1) and 2) shows something else.

The islamic terrorists are indeed very dangerous. But people preaching hatred like you do are not making things better.

kapranos
03-13-2007, 01:33 PM
Thanks for replying.

So you're only after the extremists? Quotes from you like 1) and 2) shows something else.

The islamic terrorists are indeed very dangerous. But people preaching hatred like you do are not making things better.

I'm not preaching hate. I never said we should harm or kill muslims randomly.

Quote number 1 shows I don't like the book, which says nothing about the majority of Muslims as they probably never read the whole book or only follow a version X teached.

2) is a fact. It's true of most religious texts.

oz_boz
03-13-2007, 01:39 PM
Not preaching hate. So what is your intention with the Quran-Kampf thread, or saying that you can wipe your ass with the former? Either you're trolling, in an utterly tasteless fashion, or you imply that islam is bad. Can't decide which is worse.

safinaferrero
03-13-2007, 01:50 PM
That's getting more than disgusting

safinaferrero
03-13-2007, 01:52 PM
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k111/ilikeazumanga/th_3588bd2b.gif

kapranos
03-13-2007, 01:54 PM
Not preaching hate. So what is your intention with the Quran-Kampf thread, or saying that you can wipe your ass with the former? Either you're trolling, in an utterly tasteless fashion, or you imply that islam is bad. Can't decide which is worse.

I think Islam is a flawed religion based on a non-Holy book, which is what leads to terrorism and wars. I'm entitled to my opinion. Christianity is bashed on a daily basis and no one cares.

oz_boz
03-13-2007, 02:03 PM
I think Islam is a flawed religion based on a non-Holy book, which is what leads to terrorism and wars. I'm entitled to my opinion. Christianity is bashed on a daily basis and no one cares.

OK, this is your opinion.

I think there are other reasons for Christianity bashing being allowed, like Western countries being richer and more developed, and separation of laws and religion, which I think will eventually become the norm in Muslim countries too.

Cheers.

buddyholly
03-13-2007, 02:31 PM
IMO someone that fails to see how the infamous Quran-Kampf analogy is utterly disrespectful, narrowminded and nothing close to asking for a reasonable debate, is too far up his own ass to grasp other peoples views.



And is that why you refuse to give your views?

The Rushdie fatwa - justified or not under the Quoran? - what do you think?

buddyholly
03-13-2007, 02:38 PM
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k111/ilikeazumanga/th_3588bd2b.gif

To tell us all that you would prefer criticism of Islam to be banned.

kapranos
03-13-2007, 02:39 PM
separation of laws and religion, which I think will eventually become the norm in Muslim countries too.

Not. Gonna. Happen.

oz_boz
03-13-2007, 03:00 PM
And is that why you refuse to give your views?

The Rushdie fatwa - justified or not under the Quoran? - what do you think?

Obviously depends on who you're asking, justified if Khomeini is to decide, not if my (Muslim) piano teacher will.

My view: all religions are equal in that they can serve good purposes but also be misused by strong leaders of poor and uneducated people.

zicofirol
03-13-2007, 03:32 PM
To tell us all that you would prefer criticism of Islam to be banned.

it's got nothing to add to this thread, since it cant discuss anything it resorts to trying to belittle the whole thread, but in reality it knows it has absolutely nothings to say...

Obviously depends on who you're asking, justified if Khomeini is to decide, not if my (Muslim) piano teacher will.

My view: all religions are equal in that they can serve good purposes but also be misused by strong leaders of poor and uneducated people.

As most experts on this subject agree, the "they are poor and uneducated" theory is no longer valid, extremism is a problem accross the board in the muslim world... and I dont think they are becoming more open, in fact it seems that now that they face a tiny bit of criticism they lash out and become more close minded....

kapranos
03-13-2007, 03:37 PM
+, The idea that all religions are equal is silly. At best, there is ONE religion right. All the others are wrong.

mtw
03-13-2007, 03:39 PM
Islam is such normal religion, as Christianity. There are many normal Muslims, not only extremists. Besides it was needed to think earlier and not to train extremists and not to begin this redundant war in Iraq and Afghanistan. It would be not necessary now to quiver ass, because of fear.

safinaferrero
03-14-2007, 02:04 AM
The Religion of Peace
Islam is a religion of peace. This is evident even from the name "Islam" itself. ("Islam" is an Arabic word.) The word "Islam" and the Arabic word for peace, "salam" both come from the same root, "salima".

Muslims are taught to greet each other by saying "salamun alaykum--peace be upon you." The daily prayers also end with the same sentence. In Islam, one of the names by which God is known is "Salam" which means peace.

However, one must realize that peace can never be achieved in vacuum. It is intertwined with justice. One can have peace only on basis of justice. "Justice" means putting everything in its rightful place. If one starts putting things in the wrong places, then he disrupts the social harmony and disturbs peace.

Islam seeks to promote peace on two levels:

1. Peace within One's Self:

A person can achieve inner peace by creating harmony and balance between his main emotions (desire and anger) and his spiritual self. In other words, between his emotions and his conscience.

Human's spiritual power or conscience is not a static phenomenon: it has the ability of growth as well as decadence. God swears by the soul of human being and says, "He inspired to it to understand what is good and what is evil. Prosperous in the person who purifies it, and failed is he who seduces it." (Qur'an; chp. 91, verse 10).

2. Peace With Others:

Islam very strongly emphasizes on the rights which people have over each other. It seeks to perserve peace in society by training and urging its followers to fulfill the rights of each other. In Islam, salvation is not possible by just fulfilling the rights of God; one has to fulfill the rights of other human beings also.

Unfortnately, because of the Middle Eastern events of the last three decades, Islam has been branded by the media as a religion of violence. In recent years, the word "Islamic" has become one of the adjectives of "terrorism." In this backdrop, firstly, one must realize that the events in the Middle East can be fairly and fully understood only in the light of the post-WWI history of that region, in particular the promises given by the British to the Arabs. Secondly, no fair-minded person would allow himself to blame the religion of Islam for the wrong-doings of those who call themselves as Muslims. It is just like saying that the Catholic Church promotes violence and terrorism because of the Irish Republican Army's activites!

Taken from An Introduction to Islam, Sayyid Muhammad Rizvi, Muhammadi Islamic Center, Canada, 1992/1412.

Jogy
03-14-2007, 11:16 AM
Maybe Islam is peaceful religion if you live it correct.

But my main problem is that assholes who drive planes into tower buildings or fucking assholes who bomb themselves to hurt other innocent people missuse their religion and do it in the name of religion. This is problem! Not the peaceful people who live it in correct way.

Of course Christian people also did and do bad things, but missuse of Islam is bigger problem NOW!

Or when was last time a Christian believer took a plane in hostage and killed thousands of people only because he hates the West or USA or whatever because he "has to fulfill his mission" and because he used Islam the wrong way? Or when was last time a Christian believer took a peaceful tourist hostage and threatened him to execute and cut off his head in front of running cameras if the government does not do what they want? Pathetic.

Or tell me when it was the last time with Hindu or a Buddist did that?

I do not wanting to make the peaceful Islamists bad, but the assholes who missuse the religion are bad, understand the difference!

buddyholly
03-14-2007, 01:04 PM
Or when was last time a Christian believer took a plane in hostage and killed thousands of people only because he hates the West or USA or whatever because he "has to fulfill his mission"

Remember Oklahoma city?

buddyholly
03-14-2007, 01:05 PM
The idea that all religions are equal is silly.

Not to an atheist, it isn't. We just believe they are all equally silly.

Jim Jones
03-14-2007, 03:02 PM
Not to an atheist, it isn't. We just believe they are all equally silly.

Yes but it is in the nature of man to believe in something. Not many people like to think that after we die there is nothing. It is not silly to believe in something if your actions are rational.

zicofirol
03-14-2007, 04:59 PM
Taken from An Introduction to Islam, Sayyid Muhammad Rizvi, Muhammadi Islamic Center, Canada, 1992/1412.

Two things go in disagreement with that statement, first the history of Islam especially the very beggining, and though I am not an expert on it I know the religion was far from peacefull as they conquered and converted non-believers by force... Muhammad was just some crazy guy who wanted power and said he talked to god (through and angel) directly, now if I would say that today I would be put in an institution, or should be... oh he was also a pedophile, because I dont care in what era you live if you are having sex with girls under the age of 10 you are a pedophile

Second if we look at the "home base" of Islam (the middle east), considering its birth was their they should practice the religion more closely than others, well I am sure they do and we can see it in the result of those countries, oppression of woman, religion, speech, expression etc. So you are going to tello me that all those countires with Islamic law, with a strong tradition of Islam dont "follow" the religion as the Quoran says, bs...

Third, the Quran is filled with contradictions, you can take any number of verses that say "kill infidels, or convert them by the sword" etc. and others that say "love your neighbour" etc. so the text is hardly conclusive, but since the very begginings of Islam is filled with violence I am sure that those verses that say conquer by the sword (or whatever they say) are more closely linked to the meaning.

And Islam means submission to God...

ps. If anything explain to me why Islamic laws in the countries where Islam comes from are such retarded and oppressive laws...

Remember Oklahoma city?
but the difference their was that first they didnt strap a bomb and kill themselves in the process (so in a very weird way they sort of value their life also) and second they didnt put the bomb for religious reasons, they hated the government that is why they put the bomb.

mtw
03-15-2007, 11:46 AM
OK, this is your opinion.

I think there are other reasons for Christianity bashing being allowed, like Western countries being richer and more developed, and separation of laws and religion, which I think will eventually become the norm in Muslim countries too.

Cheers.

Maybe this kapranos is so called: our older, circumcised brother in faith, who lives in Poland hospitally. You know, that in majority Jews have something against Arabians and this is conflict within the same race of people. Polish, native nation has nothing against Arabians, Muslims and Islam.Personally I symphatize with these poor Iraqis, who must suffer so much innocently, because of this stupid and sick war.

buddyholly
03-15-2007, 01:35 PM
but the difference their was that first they didnt strap a bomb and kill themselves in the process (so in a very weird way they sort of value their life also) and second they didnt put the bomb for religious reasons, they hated the government that is why they put the bomb.

Oklahoma city was carried out on the anniversary of the death of the members of the Branch Davidian sect in Waco, Texas in a government shootout, so there is plenty of evidence that it was done for religous reasons.

And the reason they did not kill themselves as well was maybe that nobody promised them a bunch of virgins in paradise.

zicofirol
03-15-2007, 02:00 PM
Maybe this kapranos is so called: our older, circumcised brother in faith, who lives in Poland hospitally. You know, that in majority Jews have something against Arabians and this is conflict within the same race of people.

:eek: :retard: :help:

mtw
03-15-2007, 06:33 PM
:eek: :retard: :help:

You know. Can you explain, why your nation can insult all religions: Christianity, Islam? But, if somebody tries to write the truth about your religion or nation is called at once anti-Semite.
What is not true? Maybe you should read Torah one time in your life to know your culture. And maybe you should find out about the common roots of Arabian and Jewish nation. Is it not true? And in your opinion, where do Jews come from? from a far galaxy?

Richard_from_Cal
03-16-2007, 01:38 AM
+, The idea that all religions are equal is silly. At best, there is ONE religion right. All the others are wrong.
Problem being, there is one perfect person. All other persons: Christian Priests, Jewish Priests, and/or Islamic Mufti...are less.

"Salvation is from the Jews..." <--yet, all denominations are perhaps getting further and further from the practice of the law, as generations increase. [Okay, the law is love...and of the six billion humanoid <known> life forms on this planet, only three billion are descended from Abraham. --Spiritually. Islam and Christianity being evangelical denominations.]

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* Early 2005: Khomeini's fatwa against Rushdie is reaffirmed by Iran's spiritual leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, in a message to Muslim pilgrims making the annual pilgrimage to Mecca. Iran has rejected requests to withdraw the fatwa on the basis that only the person who issued it may withdraw it.

* February 14, 2006: Iranís official state news agency reports on the anniversary of the decree that the government-run Martyrs Foundation has announced, "The fatwa by Imam Khomeini in regard to the apostate Salman Rushdie will be in effect forever", and that one of Iranís state bonyad, or foundations, has offered a $2.8 million bounty on his life.
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Fatwa still in effect. Mr. Rushdie was of Indian extraction, and the book was banned in India. However, does anybody know whether he was non-Hindu, or...?

Duh. ...also from wikipedia:Rushdie was born a Muslim in Mumbai.