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Germany vs. Israel

KarstenBraasch#1
04-03-2004, 09:37 PM
Germany:

Rainer Schüttler
Kiefer
Tommy Haas
Alexander Waske :cuckoo: :lol: :fiery: they should have chosen Braasch :sad:

Israel:

Harel Levy
Noam Okun
Jonathan Erlich
Andy Ram

This should be an interesting tie.
For Israel, I guess Levy and Okun will play singles and Erlich/Ram in doubles.
Germany, it's much more complicated. :lol:
Who will play singles? I have no idea.
Schüttler is in terrible form, and most of his DC-performances haven't been convincing.
Kiefer has had the best results recently, but he's totally unreliable, especially in DC where he has an awful record.
Haas is just coming back from injury and has only had one decent tournament. However he has been the best DC player by far in recent years.
And in doubles? No idea either.
Kiefer/Schüttler have played a few times, with mixed success.
Haas has had a few wins too.
Waske has won some challengers in doubles recently, but that doesn't mean much.

If Israel wins one match on the opening day they will have a great chance. They should win the doubles with the good team Erlich/Ram and then who knows.

nitsansh
04-03-2004, 11:44 PM
The Germans may not have a good DC record, but that was in the world group against opponents much better than the Israelis...
Whoever plays in singles for Germany will be favorite against Harel Levy, and you can count on 2 easy rubbers against Noam Okun...
We need 2 wins from Harel plus the doubles to win the tie... that's very very tough...

Neely
04-05-2004, 07:20 PM
I'm expecting Germany to win, probably in a steamroll with a 3-1 or 3-0 lead...

if they don't win you can carry German tennis to the grave... :banghead:

they should have chosen Braasch :sad:
:lol: :haha:
nice joke :yeah:

amethyst
04-05-2004, 10:14 PM
Germany should be the favourite, but they have already made the mistake to underestimate Belarus very badly. They thought putting Belarus on a clay court was enough and they lost. They should not make that mistake again.

Neely
04-05-2004, 10:35 PM
They should not make that mistake again.
I hope they don't. But honestly, a team consisting of Haas, Schüttler and Kiefer should be simply too strong.

Supposing Haas and Schüttler both find back to their prime form, Germany can be dangerous for every nation in the future. Kiefer isn't too shabby as of recent also. I have some good hopes. They need to take the first step this weekend. No ifs. They have to show that they can win as a team - Kiefer and Haas have to put their egos and their former quarrels aside. :(

amethyst
04-05-2004, 10:44 PM
Wow, Neely, you must be an optimist if you think these people can put their egos aside ;)

Lee
04-05-2004, 11:01 PM
Wow, Neely, you must be an optimist if you think these people can put their egos aside ;)

LOL, one need to be optimistic with the recent Germany DC records and the way German players are playing these days.

I think both Haas and Kiefer have their egos tuned down a bit after their injuries and struggles. Would it be enough to have a real truce in the German camp? We'll wait and see. ;)

Neely
04-06-2004, 01:09 AM
LOL, one need to be optimistic with the recent Germany DC records and the way German players are playing these days.
well, in difference to lots of other people, I'm not thinking that losing to Belarus last year was a big shame. We all know Belarus has a very strong double and that they have Miryni. That was for sure enough to beat a German team consisting of Schüttler and Behrend in singles and a Schüttler/Kiefer doubles.
No question, the loss hurt being relegated then, but for me it was not such a big deal... and yes, I'm normally always optimistic if there are some good reasons: I saw Kiefer playing several good weeks now (making the quarter final in Miami), I'm expecting Haas to make continuous improvements (he played very well the 2nd day of his match against Cañas, just couldn't handle the difficult windy conditions on the 1st day of his match) and Schüttler should get out of his slump soon, too (bad luck Kiefer and Schüttler had to face each other so early in Miami). :D

But, last but not least, let me also say that playing Davis Cup is different to playing singles on the ATP tour.

User ID 4783
04-06-2004, 10:40 AM
I hope Germany will win, aber it's going to be tough, Israel's doubles players are excellent and we don't have a real good pair

User ID 4783
04-06-2004, 10:41 AM
-aber +but :lol:

Space Cowgirl
04-06-2004, 01:26 PM
-aber +but :lol:

Alles klar!
I hope things go well in Alsdorf, maybe the media here will finally show some interest again if the team does well

Kristen
04-06-2004, 02:43 PM
:worship: Come on Germany! Beat everyone and then set up a tie in September, against Australia!!!

BTW, I don't know if this could possibly happen or not, or even if the tie would then be played in Australia. But if it was, I'd definitely go! (To support Germany of course!)

Does anyone know who the fifth guy in the team is? I can't seem to find Alexander Popp's name anywhere and I was hoping maybe they chose him! (Or is Lars ranked higher? Lars is at River Oaks :rolleyes: ) Regardless, Go Germany!

Space Cowgirl
04-07-2004, 02:15 PM
:worship: Come on Germany! Beat everyone and then set up a tie in September, against Australia!!!

BTW, I don't know if this could possibly happen or not, or even if the tie would then be played in Australia. But if it was, I'd definitely go! (To support Germany of course!)



Does anyone know who the fifth guy in the team is? I can't seem to find Alexander Popp's name anywhere and I was hoping maybe they chose him! (Or is Lars ranked higher? Lars is at River Oaks :rolleyes: ) Regardless, Go Germany!

Wow, you're not an Aussie then?!

I think there are only 4 players on the team. Don't know why Popp was overlooked, nobody here pays attention to him at all

Kristen
04-07-2004, 03:25 PM
Hi Space Cadet!

Yeah, I'm an Australian - but only according to my birth certificate. In tennis my heart lies with Scandinavians and the Germans :drool:. In particular, Alexander! Today I decided he's worthy, and so I've elevated him from third, to equal 2nd place in my rankings! (I watched Popp vs Scud Wimbledon 03 on the video tonight-while I was meant to write an essay I've still not finished!)

Alexander had a big impact on me in January, just because he was very nice and considerate to me, and I even went against a Swede to support him in the Aus Open! (Joachim Johansson) Alexander seemed to appreciate it :)

Alexander's results really bug me sometimes, because we know he's capable of so much, but sometimes his results are just crap :eek: . It's ok though. He'll still be my =#2! Hoping Germany and Sweden can kick ass!

Kristen

kfh_9118
04-07-2004, 03:34 PM
Good luck Germany :bounce:

If everything turns well, Israel team should not be a problem for Germany. Hope Kiefer and Haas will play single. Rainer is not in a great form in single recently.

Nir
04-07-2004, 06:06 PM
Go Israel :D ;)

For Germany Rainer and Kiefer will play singles and probably doubles too
Okun will face Kiefer and Levy will face Rainer in the first day :)

Maia
04-07-2004, 06:22 PM
Not much chance for us... :unsure: maybe if Harel would play unbelievable... (even then, chances are low...)
Good luck anyway! :yeah:

KarstenBraasch#1
04-08-2004, 12:57 PM
Schedule is out :)

R1 - R.SCHUETTLER (GER) vs N.OKUN (ISR)
R2 - N.KIEFER (GER) vs H.LEVY (ISR)
R3 - N.KIEFER / R.SCHUETTLER (GER) vs J.ERLICH / A.RAM (ISR)
R4 - R.SCHUETTLER (GER) vs H.LEVY (ISR)
R5 - N.KIEFER (GER) vs N.OKUN (ISR)

Come on Levy and thrash Kiefer !!!!! :bounce:

BTW: Tele5 :o will have coverage on all 3 days. :) It's available via Astra satellite.

Yoav
04-09-2004, 01:26 PM
live score?
i have this: http://www.deutschland-israel-aachen.de/generator/standings.html
but it seems mot updated...

Neely
04-09-2004, 01:29 PM
live score?
i have this: http://www.deutschland-israel-aachen.de/generator/standings.html
but it seems mot updated...

2-2 between Schüttler and Okun

Neely
04-09-2004, 01:33 PM
3-2* Schüttler

Neely
04-09-2004, 01:36 PM
Schüttler breaks to love
two unforced errors and a double fault by Okun in this game

*4-2 Schüttler

Neely
04-09-2004, 01:47 PM
Schüttler takes the 1st set 6-2

Okun makes too many easy unforced errors. Schüttler does not have to do much, only thing is being patient and waiting for the error by Okun.

Neely
04-09-2004, 01:53 PM
Schüttler holds to 15
Schüttler breaks to 15

Schüttler leads *2-0

Maia
04-09-2004, 02:02 PM
:sad: Noam...come on, fight!

Neely
04-09-2004, 02:09 PM
Schüttler holds going over deuce once

Okun holds going over deuce four times
(Okun's backhand is stronger now, scored some good points in that game)

Schüttler leads *3-1

Kristen
04-09-2004, 02:17 PM
I hope Rainer remembers how to play tennis throughout the entire match... Okun is a good player... I saw him against Rehnquist in January this year. He's capable of an upset if Rainer loses the plot.

Neely
04-09-2004, 02:18 PM
Schüttler holds to 15
Okun holds to 30
Schüttler holds to 15

Schüttler leads 5-2*

User ID 4783
04-09-2004, 02:20 PM
I hope Schüttler will finally win...

Neely
04-09-2004, 02:23 PM
Schütter breaks again and takes the 2nd set 6-2

Okun too many errors at the net, too many unforced errors in general, his 1st serve percentage is not high enough

can't see him upsetting Schüttler at this moment

Neely
04-09-2004, 02:36 PM
Schüttler holds to 30 (Okun had 0-30 for the 1st time in this match on Schüttler's serve, but wasted it)

Schüttler breaks to 15 (double fault)
Schüttler holds to 15

3-0* Schüttler

Neely
04-09-2004, 02:44 PM
break Schüttler: advantage Schüttler and Okun double faults again
Schüttler holds to 15

Schüttler leads 5-0*

Lee
04-09-2004, 02:54 PM
Thanks Neely for the score! :kiss:

Neely
04-09-2004, 02:56 PM
Schüttler wins 6-2 6-2 6-1

in that last service game of Schüttler, Okun had his first break point of the match, but he couldn't convert

IMO it was only an average match of both players: Schüttler did not do more than needed and Okun had too many unforced errors on his own

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I'm expecting the next match between Kiefer and Levy to be much more interesting... Levy IMO is the best player of Isreal and you never know what's going to happen with Kiefer (his Davis Cup record is bad)

Lee
04-09-2004, 03:00 PM
*phew* a win for Rainer.

Rainer's DC record is not much better. 5-7 before this match. :p

Björki
04-09-2004, 03:07 PM
Now come on Kiwi :-)

Neely
04-09-2004, 03:07 PM
*phew* a win for Rainer.

Rainer's DC record is not much better. 5-7 before this match. :p

exactly... will hopefully give him some confidence for his next matches to avoid 1st or 2nd round losses for the next tournaments

JPhurst
04-09-2004, 03:10 PM
Man, that is one serious whooping that Schuettler gave Okun. :eek: Not too much of a surprise considering the disparity in ranking.

It sounds like Noam played horribly. I wonder if Mansdorf would consider pulling him and have Andy Ram play Kiefer in the "reverse singles" on day three if it is still relevant. Ram doesn't have much of a singles ranking, because he was injured a couple of years ago, and when he came back he ended up focusing on his very successful doubles partnership with Yonni Erlich. But he can play.

Does anyone know if Israel has an alternate player in Germany? Amir Hadad has done almost nothing this year, and has twice withdrawn from challengers in the first round due to an injury. His ranking plummeted into the 300s. After that, there's no contender on the Israeli tennis scene, although Dudi Sela is a promising young player.

Neely
04-09-2004, 03:21 PM
Levy and Kiefer just came on the court
they begin warming up

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JPhurst, sorry don't know anything if Israel has an alternate player available... :confused:

Neely
04-09-2004, 03:27 PM
Levy won the toss and decided to return first
Kiefer to serve

Neely
04-09-2004, 03:32 PM
good start for Levy, he break immediately

*1-0 Levy

Neely
04-09-2004, 03:39 PM
rebreak Kiefer, he forced Levy over deuce
Kiefer holds to 15

2-1* Kiefer

Neely
04-09-2004, 03:45 PM
two easy service games for both

Levy holds to love
Kiefer holds to love

3-2* Kiefer

Neely
04-09-2004, 03:52 PM
Kiefer breaks to 30 (two very good returns to finish the points at the net)
Kiefer holds to 15

5-2* Kiefer

Neely
04-09-2004, 03:57 PM
Kiefer breaks to 30

he takes the 1st set 6-2

Neely
04-09-2004, 04:09 PM
Kiefer holds to 15
Levy holds going over deuce once
Kiefer holds to 15

2-1* Kiefer

Neely
04-09-2004, 04:16 PM
Levy holds to 30
Kiefer holds to love

3-2* Kiefer

kfh_9118
04-09-2004, 04:24 PM
Go Kiwi :bounce:

Thanks for the score, Neely :D

Neely
04-09-2004, 04:28 PM
Kiefer breaks to 30 (Levy won the best point of the match in this game, but unforced error on the forehand from midcourt to give Kiefer the break)

Levy breaks back going over deuce twice (good return Levy to earn break point, unforced error Kiwi to give the break)

4-3* Kiefer

Neely
04-09-2004, 04:36 PM
Levy holds to love
4-4
(he was very agressive in this game now)

Kiefer holds to 15
hands the pressure back to Levy who's serving to stay in the set
5-4* Kiefer

kfh_9118 :wavey: :wavey:

Neely
04-09-2004, 04:45 PM
Levy holds to 30 (two nice volley drop shots by both players)
Kiefer holds going over deuce once (he had 40-30 but couldn't successfully convert an overhead smash and it was deuce... but then service winner and ace to win the game)

6-5* Kiefer

Neely
04-09-2004, 04:50 PM
15-40 2 set points Kiefer
Levy then argued with the chair umpire because he didn't want to believe that his 1st serve was out (decision was correct)
2nd serve and Kiefer hits a return winner

Kiefer takes the 2nd set 7-5

Lee
04-09-2004, 04:54 PM
:bounce: Kiwi :bounce:

Neely
04-09-2004, 04:58 PM
30-40 net attack Levy
40-40 winner from midfield Kiefer
ad Levy
deuce Levy missed a very good chance to break, throws the racket
ad Levy unforced BH error Kiefer
game Levy too sloppy volley dropshop by Kiefer

*1-0 Levy

Neely
04-09-2004, 05:04 PM
Levy holds to 15
Kiefer holds to 15

*2-1 Levy

Neely
04-09-2004, 05:11 PM
Levy holds to love
Kiefer holds to 15

*3-2 Levy

TheBoiledEgg
04-09-2004, 05:12 PM
wow Kiwi :D :)
just remember to keep the brain plugged in :tape:

Neely
04-09-2004, 05:17 PM
Kiefer breaks back to 30
Kiefer holds to 15

4-3* Kiefer

Neely
04-09-2004, 05:25 PM
Kiefer breaks again going over deuce
two incredible points by Kiefer in this game, one running passing shot with the forehand and another long rally where he returned an overhead smash twice to win the point

*5-3 Kiefer serving for the match

Neely
04-09-2004, 05:28 PM
Kiefer serves out to 15

Kiefer wins 6-2 7-5 6-3 :banana: :banana:

IMO, that was a much more entertaining match than Schüttler's... also because Levy played much better than Okun

with Schüttler's win is Germany now in front 2-0

KarstenBraasch#1
04-09-2004, 05:29 PM
Pfffff :rolleyes: :mad:

Levy was still awful and not in good shape. :rolleyes:

Lee
04-09-2004, 05:30 PM
:banana: Germany :banana:

Hey, I didn't jinx Kiwi cheering him today. May be I can start cheering on Rainer again. :lol:

TheBoiledEgg
04-09-2004, 05:35 PM
well done the guy with no brain :banana:

if he dont think he plays good.

Neely
04-09-2004, 05:41 PM
Levy was still awful and not in good shape. :rolleyes:
sure, Levy could have played better (but Levy was better than Okun)... and, furthermore, you shouldn't blame Kiefer for the fact that his opponent was not better ;)

amethyst
04-09-2004, 08:48 PM
Pfffff :rolleyes: :mad:

Levy was still awful and not in good shape. :rolleyes:

Levy was not awful! He played good and gave Kiefer a fight, but Kiefer had better shots most of the time. It was an entertaining match. Just because you don´t like Kiefer you shouldn´t bash his opponents if he wins!!

Fee
04-10-2004, 01:54 AM
Neely, thanks for the match descriptions. I've met 3 of the four players on court today (haven't seen Noam for almost two years though, seems like he's been injured forever). Spoke to Harel at Indian Wells and I'm glad to see him playing relatively well again after his hip surgery. Nic is one of my favorite players (charming little stinker) and I'm glad to see that he's having a pretty good year so far.

kfh_9118
04-10-2004, 02:07 AM
Kiwi :bounce:

Great job Germany :D
Thanks again for the score, Neely :wavey:

Neely
04-10-2004, 02:49 AM
Thanks again for the score, Neely :wavey:
no problem :yeah:

the doubles on Saturday will be also on TV... but if Germany wins this double and gets an early 3-0 decision I'm not sure if the TV station is going to cover the matches of Sunday, too. :rolleyes:
(I think I've read something that said if it's 3-0 for either team after Saturday, they won't broadcast Sunday... but I hope I'm wrong :mad: )

They probably might chose to skip Sunday and replace tennis with stupid cartoons or things like that :banghead: :banghead: ... that would really piss me off, but I'm not sure what their plan looks like (I think Tommy could probably get a chance to play then)

anyway, tomorrow, Israel's double is very strong, I'm rating Schüttler/Kiefer (or does anybody else start?) as the underdogs here.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if Isreal wins this doubles match!

kfh_9118
04-10-2004, 08:25 AM
no problem :yeah:

the doubles on Saturday will be also on TV... but if Germany wins this double and gets an early 3-0 decision I'm not sure if the TV station is going to cover the matches of Sunday, too. :rolleyes:
(I think I've read something that said if it's 3-0 for either team after Saturday, they won't broadcast Sunday... but I hope I'm wrong :mad: )

They probably might chose to skip Sunday and replace tennis with stupid cartoons or things like that :banghead: :banghead: ... that would really piss me off, but I'm not sure what their plan looks like (I think Tommy could probably get a chance to play then)

anyway, tomorrow, Israel's double is very strong, I'm rating Schüttler/Kiefer (or does anybody else start?) as the underdogs here.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if Isreal wins this doubles match!

Personally I agree with you that Rainer/Nicolas might face a tough challenge from Israel's team in double. Although I haven't seen the Israel's team playing, I had seen Germany's double team playing in this year AO. IMO based on the match, both Nico and Rainer didn't really have 'good senses' of double match. They are just not a natural volleyers as required in double match. Or maybe Nico and Rainer just not good as partner, I mean they probably can play better with other partner. Who knows!

The match I saw in AO was Nico/Rainer vs Australian not well-known players, and it took them 3 sets to win the match :o Hopefully both Nico/Rainer can prove me wrong by winning the double :)

Go Germany :bounce:

Neely
04-10-2004, 10:40 AM
yes, that's right, especially Rainer is not that natural volleyer (although he was quite often at the net against Okun yesterday, but Okun made it also too easy for him. but maybe he was trying to do something new in his game; I also got the impression that his serve looked a bit improved and faster)... Nicolas, on the other hand, attacks the net much more often than Rainer does and and he can show a beautiful touch on difficult half-volleys or volley dropshots, but it lacks consistency and sometimes his attacks are not so well prepared how they should be. Yes, not so "natural" with the right instinct how it should be... but concerning volleying ability, Nicolas has IMO the edge compared to Rainer.

IMO doubles is (and probably will be in future) Germany's weakest point, there are no Bryan twins, no Bjorkman, no Woodbridge, no Miryni, no Bhupati, no real specialists I mean... that's the difference to Israel's double, Ram/Erlich are playing together since long time and much more often than Kiefer/Schüttler and had more success so far.

Neely
04-10-2004, 01:10 PM
The moderator for German TV had a short interview with Andy Ram on court before the match started and congratulated him for his birthday.

Neely
04-10-2004, 01:16 PM
OMG OMG OMG ... are you fucking kidding me? :eek: :eek:

Kühnen nominated Haas and Waske to play doubles for Germany!!!!!!!!!

that surprised me now, I didn't read any news today, but yesterday everything pointed to Kiefer and Schüttler playing doubles!

Neely
04-10-2004, 01:25 PM
Waske misses easy high volley 1 meter away from the net :banghead:

1-0* Israel

Neely
04-10-2004, 01:34 PM
Waske serving... holds to 30
*1-1

Ram serving... holds to 30
2-1* Israel

Neely
04-10-2004, 01:40 PM
Haas serving... Israel breaks to 15 (three excellent crosscourt returns by Isreal in this game)
*3-1 Isreal

Erlich serving... holds to 15
4-1* Israel

Neely
04-10-2004, 01:47 PM
Waske serving... holds to love
*4-2 Israel

Ram serving... holds to 30
5-2* Israel

Ram/Erlich better at the net

Neely
04-10-2004, 01:50 PM
Haas serving... loses his serve to 30

Israel takes the 1st set 6-2

kfh_9118
04-10-2004, 02:00 PM
Haas/Waske in double :eek: Maybe they are trying to save Nico and Rainer's energy for tomorrow single.

Fight Haas/Waske :bounce:
Neely, how is Tommy playing in double?
And thanks for the score :wavey:

Neely
04-10-2004, 02:00 PM
Erlich serving... holds to 30 (that was funny, two shots off the netcord that bounced over the racket of the volleyer... first Germany had the luck, and right back on the next point Isreal with the same ball :lol: )

1-0* Israel

Waske serving... holds to 30
Ram serving... holds to love

2-1* Isreal

Neely
04-10-2004, 02:02 PM
Neely, how is Tommy playing in double?
not so good, he and Waske look not coordinated and for me it looks as if it's only a matter of time when Isreal breaks them
I'm sure Haas would do much better in singles.

kfh_9118
04-10-2004, 02:05 PM
not so good, he and Waske look not coordinated and for me it looks as if it's only a matter of time when Isreal breaks them
I'm sure Haas would do much better in singles.

Let's hope they will find their coordination together soon, although it'll be hard if they didn't play together regularly. Fight guys :fiery:

Neely
04-10-2004, 02:08 PM
Haas serving... holds to 30
Erlich serving... holds to love

3-2* Israel

levos
04-10-2004, 02:09 PM
GO Andyoni!!!!!!! YOU ARE THE BEST......

JMG
04-10-2004, 02:10 PM
I think Haas / Kiefer would be the best double for Germany, but they are not the best friends. :sad:

Neely
04-10-2004, 02:14 PM
Waske serving... holds to 30 (came back from 0-30)
Ram serving... holds to love (two aces)

4-3* Israel

Neely
04-10-2004, 02:20 PM
Haas serving... holds to love
Erlich serving... holds to love

5-4* Israel

Neely
04-10-2004, 02:26 PM
Waske serving... holds to love
Ram serving... holds to 30

6-5* Israel

Neely
04-10-2004, 02:33 PM
Haas serving... had to go over deuce four times and they saved 3 set points, but finally Israel takes the set with the 4th set point

Israel 2nd set 7-5

Neely
04-10-2004, 02:36 PM
I think Haas / Kiefer would be the best double for Germany, but they are not the best friends. :sad:
yes, could be a good combination... but it has no use if they can't get along with each other good enough... to win a double it takes more than being two great individual singles player. :rolleyes: :banghead:

kfh_9118
04-10-2004, 02:37 PM
:fiery: serve broken at the last moment :fiery:

levos
04-10-2004, 02:42 PM
GO ANDY GO YONI..... !!!!!!1

Lee
04-10-2004, 02:42 PM
If I'm Patrik, I will probably rest Kiefer and Schuettler. Whatever doubles combination, Germany is likely to lose and it very possible that Kiefer will win his singles tomorror. He may keep Kiefer/Schuettler double team if Germany is at 1-1 instead of 2-0 though.

Neely
04-10-2004, 02:48 PM
Erlich serving... holds to 15
Waske serving... holds over deuce once
Ram serving... break Germany (converted their very first break point of the match)

*2-1 Germany

kfh_9118
04-10-2004, 02:52 PM
Finally a break here for Germany :bounce:

If Germany lost this double, Rainer will be up first tomorrow. Judging from his bad single result lately, I have no fully confidence that he could win the match. If he lost, at 2-2 situation, Kiefer will have all the pressure to win. Technically Kiefer is better than his opponent, but you will never know how Kiefer will play under pressure. So it's in fact quite a dangerous situation for Germany here :(.

Neely
04-10-2004, 03:01 PM
Haas serving... holds over deuce (break point saved)
Erlich serving... over deuce... break Germany (two double faults in this game)

*4-1 Germany

kfh_9118
04-10-2004, 03:04 PM
:woohoo:

Neely
04-10-2004, 03:12 PM
Waske serving... holds to 15
Ram serving... holds to 15
Haas serving... holds to 30

Germany takes the 3rd set 6-2

Neely
04-10-2004, 03:13 PM
fourth set coming up now!

Maia
04-10-2004, 03:14 PM
Vamos Andy/Yoni!!!!

Lee
04-10-2004, 03:17 PM
If Germany lost this double, Rainer will be up first tomorrow. Judging from his bad single result lately, I have no fully confidence that he could win the match. If he lost, at 2-2 situation, Kiefer will have all the pressure to win. Technically Kiefer is better than his opponent, but you will never know how Kiefer will play under pressure. So it's in fact quite a dangerous situation for Germany here :(.

So far, all Rainer's win this year are in indoor hard court so the chance is good that he will win his single tomorrow.

The really bad losts he had so far this year are to Philipp Kohlschreiber in Dubai and Wayne Arthurs in Indian Wells, where his confidence was badly shaken from losts to some good and upcoming players like J.Johansson and Robin Soderling.

Lee
04-10-2004, 03:18 PM
It seems Haas settled down and starts to hold serve. Give people a 5 setter, guys!

kfh_9118
04-10-2004, 03:22 PM
It seems Haas settled down and starts to hold serve. Give people a 5 setter, guys!

:bounce:
We want 5 sets match ;)

nitsansh
04-10-2004, 03:24 PM
:bounce:
We want 5 sets match ;)No we don't!
Andyoni, do it in 4!

Neely
04-10-2004, 03:25 PM
Erlich serving... holds to 15
Waske serving... holds to 15
Ram serving... gets broken to 30 (great point won by Waske on break point)

*2-1 Germany

Maia
04-10-2004, 03:27 PM
No, we don't want 5 sets...close it in 4, please!
I mean, we gonna lose tomorrow anyway, so at least we can win the doubles

Neely
04-10-2004, 03:28 PM
during the break between 3rd and 4th set, Schüttler was asked some quick questions and he said that he didn't start today with Kiefer because Kühnen decided that in order to have them fresh and not tired for the singles tomorrow. He said that, if necessary, they have to be sure to slam the door tomorrow in the 1st single.

Neely
04-10-2004, 03:32 PM
two easy games for the servers...

*3-2 Germany

Haas threw his racket for the first time in this match after missing a forehand... looked good, I hope there will be some pics of that later on the homepage ;) :lol:

Maia
04-10-2004, 03:33 PM
thanks for the scores, btw. This is the only place I can follow them

User ID 4783
04-10-2004, 03:39 PM
in which set are they?

Neely
04-10-2004, 03:44 PM
in which set are they?
still 4th set

Waske serving... holds to 30
Ram serving... long game... over deuce 5 times and break Germany

*5-2 Germany

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Ram and Erlich making too many mistakes at the net now. That was their best part of the game in the first two sets, but know they seem to be a little unconcentrated, missing good opportunities to put away volleys... Waske improved very good during the match, he was the game-winner in that last game with lots of good returns and points.

nitsansh
04-10-2004, 03:44 PM
in which set are they?
Israel lead 2 sets to 1

kfh_9118
04-10-2004, 03:46 PM
Keep it going Haas/Waske :bounce:

nitsansh
04-10-2004, 03:47 PM
Ram is struggling with his serve... broken 3 times in last 4 games...

Neely
04-10-2004, 03:50 PM
Haas serving... loses his serve to love, break Isreal
Erlich serving... holds to love

one break gone for Germany, now Waske has to serve out the set!

*5-4 Germany

nitsansh
04-10-2004, 03:53 PM
4th break against Haas, but Waske has not been broken yet

Neely
04-10-2004, 03:54 PM
Waske serving... gets four good 1st serves in and closes the set on the 1st set point

Germany takes the 4th set 6-4

the crowd had chants for Waske because they saw he was the man who won the big points, not Haas

5th and final set coming up now!

levos
04-10-2004, 03:55 PM
Andyoni wake up!!!!!! Make us proud.... Like Maccabi did.

Neely
04-10-2004, 03:57 PM
Ram serving... he holds to 15

1-0* Israel

Neely
04-10-2004, 04:02 PM
Germany changed the serve and chose Waske to begin serving in the 5th set

Waske serving... over deuce once, finally holds

*1-1

Maia
04-10-2004, 04:04 PM
Andyoni wake up!!!!!! Make us proud.... Like Maccabi did.

:lol: Maybe Andyoni can make us proud, but we need a miracle tommorow if we want another Maccabi-like success

Maia
04-10-2004, 04:05 PM
Maybe we can put Derick in tommorow matches......lol

User ID 4783
04-10-2004, 04:07 PM
Can you watch that match on TV? Or where are those live scores?

Neely
04-10-2004, 04:10 PM
Erlich serving

...
15-30 5th double fault Erlich
15-40 volley too long
30-40 bad return, smash Erlich
40-40 lob too short, smash Ram
ad Isreal good volley

Isreal 2-1* (saved two break points)

Neely
04-10-2004, 04:10 PM
Can you watch that match on TV? Or where are those live scores?
if you are from Germany, you can watch it on Tele5!!!

there are no live scores, the only site that updates is http://www.deutschland-israel-aachen.de/de/generator/standings.html

but they only update set by set and not game by game

levos
04-10-2004, 04:12 PM
Maia I meant they can make us proud like maccabi did and doing.
And wasn't it a miracle in Maccabi's game? (If you believe you can achieve!!!)

By the way we obviously can put Gur in tomorrow's games. He has strong hands and he has a (כוונת) in his eyes. We saw that in his passes to Derrick& to anthony.

Maia
04-10-2004, 04:15 PM
So it setteled, Gur will play one match, and Derick the second. And Pini would sit on the sidelines.

Neely
04-10-2004, 04:17 PM
Haas serving... holds to 30
Ram serving... 15-40 after an incredible topspin lob by Waske... a smash by Ram is closely out... Germany breaks

*3-2 Germany

Maia
04-10-2004, 04:18 PM
What's happening to Andy?! He can't hold his serve... :help:

nitsansh
04-10-2004, 04:20 PM
pfff... Andy lose another service game... 5 of 6 since 3rd set!!

levos
04-10-2004, 04:23 PM
Andy.... Remember about you Beitar....
They'll play against Haifa today....

nitsansh
04-10-2004, 04:23 PM
pfff... Andy lose another service game... 5 of 6 since 3rd set!!
correction: 4 of 6

Neely
04-10-2004, 04:24 PM
Waske serving... he holds... had to go over deuce once (Isreal had a good chance to earn a break points, but Ram misses an easy shot)

Erlich serving... holds to 30

*4-3 Germany

Maia
04-10-2004, 04:26 PM
Andy.... Remember about you Beitar....
They'll play against Haifa today....

isn't Yoni a Haifa fan?

levos
04-10-2004, 04:27 PM
I don't know....

I know that Andy is really fanatic about Beitar.

Neely
04-10-2004, 04:31 PM
Haas serving... he holds to 15
Ram serving... 30-40 match point Germany... match over

Germany wins 2-6 5-7 6-2 6-4 6-3

levos
04-10-2004, 04:32 PM
אנדי ויוני... פישלתם.

Lee
04-10-2004, 04:34 PM
Thanks Neely for the report again :hatoff:

:bounce: Germany :bounce:

kfh_9118
04-10-2004, 04:34 PM
Great fight back from Germany team :worship:
Well done, guys :D

Thanks for the score Neely. It's really greatly appreciated :kiss:

nitsansh
04-10-2004, 04:34 PM
especially Andy... broken 5 times!!!!!

Maia
04-10-2004, 04:38 PM
My hopes for an olympic medal are fading very fast....

Neely
04-10-2004, 04:50 PM
damn it... the final words of the moderator sounded as if they won't cover tomorrow's matches because the tie is already decided and because of some Formula1 stuff :banghead: :mad:

stupid Tele5 :smash: ...but at least they covered the 1st two days as no other TV station showed interests in the rights for Davis Cup :rolleyes:

KarstenBraasch#1
04-10-2004, 05:01 PM
Pfffff ... Team israel couldn't hit a decent volley in last 3 sets. Serving was awful as well - 30% or something. :rolleyes: Oh well.

Why should they show tomorrow's matches ??? They are absolutely :zzz:

Kristen
04-10-2004, 05:07 PM
Does Germany next play Finland or have I misread the draw on Daviscup.org?
This would kind of be good for me... because don't the winners of the next round, play the losers of this years first round? (Australia, Austria, etc?)

Davis Cup still confuses me!

Neely
04-10-2004, 05:15 PM
don't know how you come to the idea of playing against Finland? :confused:

but read this text of the Davis Cup homepage, should make it more clear for you.

The World Group Play-offs 2004 will take place over the weekend of September 24-26 2004. The Play-offs will feature the eight World Group first round losing nations, and eight qualifying nations from Group I. The eight winning nations from the Play-offs will take part in the 2005 World Group, with the eight losing nations dropping down to Group I.

The draw for the Play-offs will take place on Tuesday April 13th at 12 noon BST at Cannizaro House, West Side, Wimbledon Common SW19 4UE.

nitsansh
04-10-2004, 05:16 PM
The winners of zonal group 1 matches (3 decided so far: Thailand, Germany, Slovakia) and the losers in WG 1R will be drawn next Tuesday for the qualifying round to WG2005 to be played in September.
Israel will host Finland in September in a relegation match in group 1, unless Luxembourg makes a sensational comeback against Great Britain.

Kristen
04-10-2004, 05:31 PM
thanks guys :)
(I dunno how I came up with GER vs FIN either... a wineer vs someone who lost already... doesnt make sense eh!)
I feel bad for Finland. They have Jarkko, who is a great player, and the others aren't bad, but they're stuck in this in-between place because not all their players are capable of beating the big guns.

Neely
04-11-2004, 04:04 PM
Schüttler defeats Levy 6-3 7-6(5)

Kiefer currently leads Okun 6-2

Neely
04-11-2004, 04:48 PM
Kiefer - Okun: 6-2 6-7

Neely
04-11-2004, 06:01 PM
Kiefer defeats Okun 6-2 6-7 7-6

Neely
04-11-2004, 06:53 PM
overview of all matches played in this Davis Cup tie between Germany and Israel:

Schüttler def. Okun 6-2 6-2 6-1
Kiefer def. Levy 6-2 7-5 6-3
Haas/ Waske def. Erlich/Ram 2-6 5-7 6-2 6-4 6-3
Schüttler def. Levy 6-3 7-6(5)
Kiefer def. Okun 6-2 6-7(2) 7-6(3)
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Germany wins 5-0

kfh_9118
04-12-2004, 05:40 AM
Germany :cool:

Space Cowgirl
04-13-2004, 02:59 PM
Great result for Germany! :worship:
In the promotion/relegation playoff to get back in to the World Group they've drawn Slovakia (in Slovakia). That will be a lot more tricky