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Please Help Democracy, tell Fox news to f**k off by singing this petition.

Pfloyd
03-04-2007, 05:35 AM
Fox news is quite simply the single biggest, most biased news network in the United States and quite possibly on the top 5 list world wide.

Not only are they blatant in there bashing of the democrats, they will distort news to the point of ridicule. Just type in "Bill O Reilly" on Youtube or "Fox News" and you will see some highlights of what I am talking about.

Now for my petition from the Moveon.org website:

Hi,

I wanted to tell you about something pretty outrageous.

Fox News convinced the Democratic Party to let Fox host a nationally-televised Democratic presidential primary debate this summer in Nevada!

But Fox isn't even a legitimate news channel! It's a right-wing mouthpiece like Rush Limbaugh—dedicated to smearing Democrats. (Recently, Fox falsely claimed Sen. Barack Obama attended a terrorist school!)

There's a growing backlash of people demanding that Democrats drop Fox. Can you help out by signing this petition to the Democratic Party of Nevada? It's really easy—just click this link:

http://civic.moveon.org/foxdebate/?referring_id=-8008632-l51fh4&taf=1

Thanks!


Please take two minutes to do this and send a big "F you!" to Fox.

:)

buddyholly
03-04-2007, 01:29 PM
Seems to me that you are against FOX because it does not follow your guidelines as to what should be reported. Typical left wing attitude, i.e., we are superior and should be able to decide what is permitted.
There is room for everyone, why are you proposing censorship? Afraid of opposing views?

guille&tati4life
03-04-2007, 02:11 PM
Seems to me that you are against FOX because it does not follow your guidelines as to what should be reported. Typical left wing attitude, i.e., we are superior and should be able to decide what is permitted.
There is room for everyone, why are you proposing censorship? Afraid of opposing views?

Maybe because the media isn't suppossed to be biased.

Action Jackson
03-04-2007, 02:16 PM
There is room for everyone, why are you proposing censorship? Afraid of opposing views?

:wavey: Rupert

Seriously, people don't have to watch Fox News and it's actually good watching and reading stuff from a different ideology than the one you support normally.

The more biased the media outlet is, the more irrelevant it is and becomes a big parody of itself.

Naide
03-04-2007, 02:17 PM
Seems to me that you are against FOX because it does not follow your guidelines as to what should be reported. Typical left wing attitude, i.e., we are superior and should be able to decide what is permitted.
There is room for everyone, why are you proposing censorship? Afraid of opposing views?

stop being blind, it is not democrat nor republican attitude to want an impartial channel, it is simply democratic and has nothing to see with one's guideline

"why are you proposing censorship" = that's what they are doing and what he is criticizing

Pfloyd
03-04-2007, 03:11 PM
Seems to me that you are against FOX because it does not follow your guidelines as to what should be reported. Typical left wing attitude, i.e., we are superior and should be able to decide what is permitted.
There is room for everyone, why are you proposing censorship? Afraid of opposing views?

No, I am not afraid of opposing views, as a matter of fact, I am quite interested in learning about opposing views because then I can learn more about that they have to say about the issues and maybe, just maybe I could actually change my mind on certain issues.

What I am against is the intentional lying and distortion that goes into every single comment made about the democratic party and democrats in Fox News.
A big "reliable" modern day news outlet shoud'nt be like Fox. I know for a fact that CNN is not nearly as biased as Fox.

If you care about objective news, please sign this petition. Hey, It's something.

zicofirol
03-04-2007, 03:21 PM
how would that help democracy, democrac is suppose to be open to all sorts of ideas, right wing, left wing etc. And it doesnt come close in the top 5 most biased newstations in the world, it doesnt even crack the top 100, way too many state owned channels and blatantly unobjective channels in the world, just think of Asia, Africa and the middle east, I am sure you find 100 channels more biased than fox...

oh and I am not sure that fox news is news, like all news channels they have become just a bunch of opinion shows...

Pfloyd
03-04-2007, 03:23 PM
how would that help democracy, democrac is suppose to be open to all sorts of ideas, right wing, left wing etc. And it doesnt come close in the top 5 most biased newstations in the world, it doesnt even crack the top 100, way too many state owned channels and blatantly unobjective channels in the world, just think of Asia, Africa and the middle east, I am sure you find 100 channels more biased than fox...

oh and I am not sure that fox news is news, like all news channels they have become just a bunch of opinion shows...

I agree, News Channels should project all types of Ideologies for the sake of being democratic, but lying is a completley new thing. One can be objective and have programs in the show that project all types of Ideologies, all I'm proposing is to do something to limit the lying.

The people who watch new in the U.S, albeit a small number, should be given correct, factual information on presidential candidates and world events.

I have nothing against people showing and expressing there conservative views.

zicofirol
03-04-2007, 03:24 PM
What I am against is the intentional lying and distortion that goes into every single comment made about the democratic party and democrats in Fox News.
A big "reliable" modern day news outlet shoud'nt be like Fox. I know for a fact that CNN is not nearly as biased as Fox.

If you care about objective news, please sign this petition. Hey, It's something.

well first off its a petition started by moveon.org, very biased itself...

And you sound as ridiculous as republicans who think cnn and msnbc are all biased against them, besides like I said its not news anymore its just opinion shows so those naturally will be biased, I dont watch any of the awfull news channels but I am sure they are not as " super incredibily biased" as you describe them to be, lol...

zicofirol
03-04-2007, 03:27 PM
I agree, News Channels should project all types of Ideologies for the sake of being democratic, but lying is a completley new thing. One can be objective and have programs in the show that project all types of Ideologies, all I'm proposing is to do something to limit the lying.

The people who watch new in the U.S, albeit a small number, should be given correct, factual information on presidential candidates and world events.

I have nothing against people showing and expressing there conservative views.

how do they blatantly lie? I am sure if they did they would of been sued by democratic candidates for defamation, slander or libel, so how are they lying?

Pfloyd
03-04-2007, 03:27 PM
Don't talk without facts beacause otherwise you risk being wrong, you have watch the shows to see what they say. You can't just say, "oh, I'm sure they are not that biased" and expect to be correct without having watched any show.

As far as saying that CNN and MSNBC are biased, well I'd disagree. However, the criticims they do say about Bush and his cabinet are more than well grounded on facts and actual events.

I implore you, go to youtube and watch some of the "news" clips from Fox news, and compare them to the news clips of CNN and MSNBC and you will se what I'm talking about.

Pfloyd
03-04-2007, 03:32 PM
how do they blatantly lie? I am sure if they did they would of been sued by democratic candidates for defamation, slander or libel, so how are they lying?

They've had issue with many democrats before. If you read my original statement, you will see that they accused Obama of going to a muslim school, which was a blatant lie.

They've also said thay he has a name that rhymes with "Osama" and Barrack, according to them Rhymes with "Iraq". They've sent news reporters to talk to people that don't know about politcs and they've asked them, "Of what country do you think Barrack Obama is president? Nigeria, Iran or Senegal".

If this is not a slap in your face biased, disrespectful attack on a candidate, then I don't know what is...

zicofirol
03-04-2007, 03:42 PM
They've had issue with many democrats before. If you read my original statement, you will see that they accused Obama of going to a muslim school, which was a blatant lie.

They've also said thay he has a name that rhymes with "Osama" and Barrack, according to them Rhymes with "Iraq". They've sent news reporters to talk to people that don't know about politcs and they've asked them, "Of what country do you think Barrack Obama is president? Nigeria, Iran or Senegal".

If this is not a slap in your face biased, disrespectful attack on a candidate, then I don't know what is...

I am sure they corrected that mistake later, like I said they would of been sued by now if they would be blatantly lying about a candidate...

Its a waste of time to see news clips of opinion shows, opinions are naturally biased...

seems youre more infatuated with fox news than anyone who actually watches it...
youre also exaggerating about the lying, in a country where anyone can sue anyone for any reason I am sure foxnews would of been sued by now...

Oh and Fox news is not even American owned so...

Pfloyd
03-04-2007, 04:16 PM
I'll post later some of the lying Fox News has done, and believe me, It is a looong list.

Fox News still hasn't apologized for the Obama incident.

Bill O' Reilly has twice argued with an army verteran and twice has used the same story about american troops beating the Nazi's and mistreating them in a German town, which name my memory is forgetting right now. It was in fact the Nazi's who beat the American's in that specific war, and it was the Nazi's who abused the Americans in that specific situation.

O' Reilly was caught once with that lie, and used it again. He has still to apologize.

I suppose haven't sued fox yet because they don't want to pay unnecesary attention to them.

But CNN and MSNBC do act as an occasional watchdog on Fox when the lying is extreme, like the time Heraldo River, a fox news reporter stated that he was near an important battlezone in Iraq and that he was filming the action live. In reality, Heraldo was many hundred Miles from the location he has stated he originaly was, and Keith Oberman of MSNBC caught him in that lie.

There are many, many more stories, believe me.

zicofirol
03-04-2007, 04:55 PM
I suppose haven't sued fox yet because they don't want to pay unnecesary attention to them.

But CNN and MSNBC do act as an occasional watchdog on Fox when the lying is extreme, like the time Heraldo River, a fox news reporter stated that he was near an important battlezone in Iraq and that he was filming the action live. In reality, Heraldo was many hundred Miles from the location he has stated he originaly was, and Keith Oberman of MSNBC caught him in that lie.

There are many, many more stories, believe me.

I actually started laughing by the end of this post, really, CNN and msnbc have all been caught with inocrrect information, same with cbs, nbc, abc etc. it happens, is foxnews biased yes it is, like most news channels are, except fox news is biased toward the right so the biased moveon.org doesnt like it, and people eat up whatever moveon.org says... but if fox news was a biased to the left then you wouldnt hear a thing from moveon.org...

like I said if foxnews was blatantly lying and publishing false reports they woudl of been sued already...

and olberman is a clown just like oreilly is, the guy was an espn newscaster, he is a joke...

what do you say about cbs memo scandal? where you outraged at that? was moveon.org outraged at cbs for using forged documents with their story?

Pfloyd
03-04-2007, 05:20 PM
I actually started laughing by the end of this post, really, CNN and msnbc have all been caught with inocrrect information, same with cbs, nbc, abc etc. it happens, is foxnews biased yes it is, like most news channels are, except fox news is biased toward the right so the biased moveon.org doesnt like it, and people eat up whatever moveon.org says... but if fox news was a biased to the left then you wouldnt hear a thing from moveon.org...

like I said if foxnews was blatantly lying and publishing false reports they woudl of been sued already...

and olberman is a clown just like oreilly is, the guy was an espn newscaster, he is a joke...

what do you say about cbs memo scandal? where you outraged at that? was moveon.org outraged at cbs for using forged documents with their story?

Wow. You seriosuly just like to argue nonsense. I am not saying that other news channels have not had there fair share of scandals. Like you mentioned, CBS using forged documents was not a laughing matter. Also, CNN's premature showing of Al Gore as the winner in Florida in the 2000 election was also a big mistake. I also think that all media outlets, not just Fox are sensational in there broadcasting of all stories, particularly "political scandals" and "murder stories".

As far as Obama being a clown well your entitled to your opinion, but I must say I disagree. What's wrong with messaging the public in ESPN? He is trying to reach out to as many people as possible, particularly because he faces fierce competition with Hilary Clintion and other democratic candidates.

By the way, Wikipedia also shows that most critics agree that FOX News is a channel that quite clearly demonstrates conservative values. CNN recieves no such criticism from the 2006 study by The Project for Excellence in Journalism.

There is no liberal bias in the other news channels, at least not close to the extent of Fox with the conservative reporting. CNN criticised Clintion and Bush almost equally during there terms as presidents. Just turn on Fox for a second and you will see personalities like Bill O' Reilly, Sean Hannity, Ann Coulter and others defend Bush. Even a large chunk of the conservatives in Congress disagree with Bush's policies. This just shows how far-right FOX is in there support for ultra conservative values.

Of course you will continue arguing and you don't even watch the news to begin with!

All I'm saying that the scandals at Fox News far outnumbers those in CNN, ABC and MSNBC. And let me tell you, MSNBC has a fair share of conservative reporters, Like Tucker Carlson, Pat Buchanan among other reporters. Let me tell you, even they have stated that FOX is too extreme and biased.

I'm done with this argument. CNN and MSNBC simply do not seek to intentionaly favor or hurt any politcal candidate, something which FOX is keen on doing.

mtw
03-04-2007, 05:41 PM
I agree, News Channels should project all types of Ideologies for the sake of being democratic, but lying is a completley new thing. One can be objective and have programs in the show that project all types of Ideologies, all I'm proposing is to do something to limit the lying.

The people who watch new in the U.S, albeit a small number, should be given correct, factual information on presidential candidates and world events.

I have nothing against people showing and expressing there conservative views.

Maybe you should buy subscription of DW-TV ( very good German TV - in English too. They speak very good, clean, clear German. It presents informations in very good, scrupulous way. Or BBC - this is quite good source too.

Pfloyd
03-04-2007, 06:17 PM
I agree, the BBC is a great news broadcasting channel.

CNN International is quite good too, I havent heard about the german one though..

zicofirol
03-04-2007, 07:35 PM
Wow. You seriosuly just like to argue nonsense. I am not saying that other news channels have not had there fair share of scandals. Like you mentioned, CBS using forged documents was not a laughing matter. Also, CNN's premature showing of Al Gore as the winner in Florida in the 2000 election was also a big mistake. I also think that all media outlets, not just Fox are sensational in there broadcasting of all stories, particularly "political scandals" and "murder stories".

As far as Obama being a clown well your entitled to your opinion, but I must say I disagree. What's wrong with messaging the public in ESPN? He is trying to reach out to as many people as possible, particularly because he faces fierce competition with Hilary Clintion and other democratic candidates.

By the way, Wikipedia also shows that most critics agree that FOX News is a channel that quite clearly demonstrates conservative values. CNN recieves no such criticism from the 2006 study by The Project for Excellence in Journalism.

There is no liberal bias in the other news channels, at least not close to the extent of Fox with the conservative reporting. CNN criticised Clintion and Bush almost equally during there terms as presidents. Just turn on Fox for a second and you will see personalities like Bill O' Reilly, Sean Hannity, Ann Coulter and others defend Bush. Even a large chunk of the conservatives in Congress disagree with Bush's policies. This just shows how far-right FOX is in there support for ultra conservative values.

Of course you will continue arguing and you don't even watch the news to begin with!

All I'm saying that the scandals at Fox News far outnumbers those in CNN, ABC and MSNBC. And let me tell you, MSNBC has a fair share of conservative reporters, Like Tucker Carlson, Pat Buchanan among other reporters. Let me tell you, even they have stated that FOX is too extreme and biased.

I'm done with this argument. CNN and MSNBC simply do not seek to intentionaly favor or hurt any politcal candidate, something which FOX is keen on doing.

first off, this whole topic is ridiculous, so any argument in it will be equally ridiculous...

and when did I mention obama in my post? WTF:
"and olberman is a clown just like oreilly is, the guy was an espn newscaster, he is a joke... "

You still dont get my point, the news is no longer news, it is opinion shows, most opinion shows on fox have right wing everyone knows that, but dont take that as news just take that as opinion, its on you if you think that is news...
and Bush by admittance from conservatives does not stand for ultraconservative values (unless your only looking at abortion and gay marriage), not even close.
and CNN is fairly left-wing...

lol tucker carlson and pat buchanan are not reporters... you cant see the difference between reporter and a guy who has a show (analyst, politician etc.)

you really overstate fox's presence and bias, you want to see bias turn on TVE and BBC, my god what a joke this two channels are, blatantly biased toward the left, but off course if they report from one's point of view then its all fine and good...

Johnny Groove
03-04-2007, 07:40 PM
I like Fox News. They are fair and balanced. They report, we decide :)

Pfloyd
03-04-2007, 07:45 PM
first off, this whole topic is ridiculous, so any argument in it will be equally ridiculous...

and when did I mention obama in my post? WTF:
"and olberman is a clown just like oreilly is, the guy was an espn newscaster, he is a joke... "

You still dont get my point, the news is no longer news, it is opinion shows, most opinion shows on fox have right wing everyone knows that, but dont take that as news just take that as opinion, its on you if you think that is news...
and Bush by admittance from conservatives does not stand for ultraconservative values (unless your only looking at abortion and gay marriage), not even close.
and CNN is fairly left-wing...

lol tucker carlson and pat buchanan are not reporters... you cant see the difference between reporter and a guy who has a show (analyst, politician etc.)

you really overstate fox's presence and bias, you want to see bias turn on TVE and BBC, my god what a joke this two channels are, blatantly biased toward the left, but off course if they report from one's point of view then its all fine and good...


Yeah, I misread your Olberman comment :o .

I suppose we agree to an extent, the news isn't always news but all I'm saying is that FOX lies way too much, even compared to other news channels, at least in the U.S.

It would really harm the democratic party if the primary were hosted by FOX.

If you care just sign the petition and help the democrats out a bit, and consequently send a message to FOX about there extreme reporting. If you don't really care, then there is no point in continuing our argument, because obviously this is becoming tautological.

Yes, MY BAD, Carlson and Buchanan are analysts, but still they are republican and agree that FOX is extreme by U.S standards.

I am not talking about other world channels, which I bet are very biased too, but still even they can't compare to the obvious politcal slanders that happen in FOX, seriosuly turn on FOX now and you will see them talking about liberals in a derragotroy manner, the same is not true in the other channels.

I suppose we'll have to disagree to an extent as well.

Peace. :)

Sparko1030
03-04-2007, 10:40 PM
FOX News is undoubtedly the most unapologeticaly biased network in the US, yet even their laughable take on so called objective news is protected by freedom of speech. I would defend its right to exsit and the right of all the opinions expressed on it to be aired. Freedom of speech means even speech we don't like or agree with. (meanwhile, I will defend my right to :ras: Mr. Bill "Aren't I Important" O'Rielly :haha: what a complete as* ;) )

kapranos
03-04-2007, 10:41 PM
Well "Fox News" might be more biased than other news channel, but not enough to care, protest, or whatever. In the eyes of very conservative people, it probably isn't biased, it's CBS that is biased.

As for lies, it's not like they make-up stories on a daily basis.

Jim Jones
03-04-2007, 11:20 PM
Fox news is quite simply the single biggest, most biased news network in the United States and quite possibly on the top 5 list world wide.

Not only are they blatant in there bashing of the democrats, they will distort news to the point of ridicule. Just type in "Bill O Reilly" on Youtube or "Fox News" and you will see some highlights of what I am talking about.

Now for my petition from the Moveon.org website:

Hi,

I wanted to tell you about something pretty outrageous.

Fox News convinced the Democratic Party to let Fox host a nationally-televised Democratic presidential primary debate this summer in Nevada!

But Fox isn't even a legitimate news channel! It's a right-wing mouthpiece like Rush Limbaugh—dedicated to smearing Democrats. (Recently, Fox falsely claimed Sen. Barack Obama attended a terrorist school!)

There's a growing backlash of people demanding that Democrats drop Fox. Can you help out by signing this petition to the Democratic Party of Nevada? It's really easy—just click this link:

http://civic.moveon.org/foxdebate/?referring_id=-8008632-l51fh4&taf=1

Thanks!


Please take two minutes to do this and send a big "F you!" to Fox.

:)
What about us who like Fox News?
i like the spectacular news channels like this one and al jazeera which by the way is as biased as Fox news. But it is arab not american. So Lafuria are you goig to say fuck you al jazeera? ;)

Lee
03-04-2007, 11:56 PM
:scratch: Other than Blaze, I don't see any of those posters supporting Fox News are living in US or am I wrong?

IMO, Fox News is the worst journalism you'll ever find in Canada and USA. But viewers should learn how to tell the gems from garbages.

Pfloyd
03-05-2007, 12:09 AM
What about us who like Fox News?
i like the spectacular news channels like this one and al jazeera which by the way is as biased as Fox news. But it is arab not american. So Lafuria are you goig to say fuck you al jazeera? ;)

:unsure:

Noooo, the people at al jazeera are my friends!

:D

Jlee
03-05-2007, 12:48 AM
I recently read a book for a class by a former CBS news reporter. The entire book talked about the EXTREME liberal bias of the main NBC, CBS, and ABC news stations. It was so interesting because he was reporting from the inside about their actual activities.

I also watched a program about the bias in FOX news. There is bias in every news program. Why? Because every person believes themselves to be "middle of the road" in their beliefs. Basically, it's impossible for news to be completely unbiased. The only way to solve the problem is to have many different views within a news station.

I'm interested in a journalism career actually.

its.like.that
03-05-2007, 03:39 AM
Fock democracy.

Vamos Fox News.

soraya
03-05-2007, 04:54 AM
I agree, the BBC is a great news broadcasting channel.

CNN International is quite good too, I havent heard about the german one though..


Or LINK TV, "Television without borders"

dkw
03-06-2007, 12:10 AM
CSPAN, PBS (Charlie Rose, Jim Leher), BBC World.

If you're watching anything else (Fox, CNN, MSNBC) you might as well be watching the Jerry Springer -- this is not NEWS, it is Opinion masquerading as factual content.

zicofirol
03-06-2007, 01:13 AM
CSPAN, PBS (Charlie Rose, Jim Leher), BBC World.

If you're watching anything else (Fox, CNN, MSNBC) you might as well be watching the Jerry Springer -- this is not NEWS, it is Opinion masquerading as factual content.

PBS has great programing, Frontline is great, they have many shows from diverse points of views, Charlie Rose does the best interviews on tv, imo, Leher I dotn watch that much so wont comment.

Cspan dont watch, except for booktv which is also a very good program on the weekends.

BBC is garbage, thats news from the left's prespective, judgment/opinion included in the article. I remember during the Iraq invasion they stopped calling Saddam a dictator and instead called him "leader" because he was technically elected, ha... I guess teh same applies for Castro... he has been elected many times, haha...

Oh and its funny that since Fox news started taking away ratings because of opinion shows, all other news channels followed, not even headline news has news anymore, why not try something different, or look at why people wherent watching your crappy channel instead of copying fox.

buddyholly
03-06-2007, 01:14 AM
:wavey: Rupert

Seriously, people don't have to watch Fox News and it's actually good watching and reading stuff from a different ideology than the one you support normally.

The more biased the media outlet is, the more irrelevant it is and becomes a big parody of itself.

Thanks George. Like most people, I watch FOX in the evening because it is entertainment. From 8-11 they don't actually do news, the programmes are discussions of the news. Much more entertaining than those Katy Couric types on the networks who think they ARE the news.

Pfloyd
03-06-2007, 01:16 AM
I have to mention something, this petition isn't a general "F U go off the air petition". This petition is about preventing a state legilator from allowinf fox to host a quite important democratic primary. If you are a democrat, or more importanly, if you want to help make these primaries more clean and fair, please sign.

buddyholly
03-06-2007, 01:18 AM
What I am against is the intentional lying and distortion that goes into every single comment made about the democratic party and democrats in Fox News.
A big "reliable" modern day news outlet shoud'nt be like Fox. I know for a fact that CNN is not nearly as biased as Fox.



Why didn't you back that up with a few examples?

While you are making TV politically correct, any plans for a petition against network news left-wing bias?

buddyholly
03-06-2007, 01:23 AM
Ooops, as usual, once I read through the entire thread I find that zicofirol has already said what I wanted to say, only better.

buddyholly
03-06-2007, 01:26 AM
Bill O' Reilly has twice argued with an army verteran and twice has used the same story about american troops beating the Nazi's and mistreating them in a German town, which name my memory is forgetting right now. It was in fact the Nazi's who beat the German's in that specific war, and it was the Nazi's who abused the Americans in that specific situation.



What were you smoking when you wrote that?

kapranos
03-06-2007, 01:28 AM
I don't get to watch the BBC, but all their documentaries are very good.

Pfloyd
03-06-2007, 08:44 AM
What were you smoking when you wrote that?

Dude what's your problem?

If you want, why don't YOU go and find that so-called left wing bias in other U.S Cable News networks.

And no, I didn't smoke. The video of what I'm stating can actualy be found on youtube, OH and look, the link is provided, lucky you:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2KU02lsfH8

Believe me, ALL my previous statements have evidence, I won't talk shit for the sake of talking it.

Next time you go and suggest if someone smoked, make sure you know what your talking about.

guille&tati4life
03-06-2007, 09:08 AM
Why didn't you back that up with a few examples?

While you are making TV politically correct, any plans for a petition against network news left-wing bias?

I don't know the media in the US very well. However i highly doubt there is much left-wing media coverage there at all. The democrats are far from left-wing :lol:

What were you smoking when you wrote that?

That's true actually.

buddyholly
03-06-2007, 12:19 PM
The democrats are far from left-wing :lol:




That's true actually

buddyholly
03-06-2007, 12:23 PM
Gallup has just announced a poll shows Canada is the most admired country in the world. I felt proud, then realized the result probably shows it is best to be bland and do nothing. So we are not really the most admired, just the least hated.

Zirconek
03-06-2007, 12:52 PM
I'm a terrible singer :singer: can't sing the petition :o

now, serious, Fock the Fux! :rocker2:

Jim Jones
03-06-2007, 01:21 PM
Dude what's your problem?

If you want, why don't YOU go and find that so-called left wing bias in other U.S Cable News networks.

And no, I didn't smoke. The video of what I'm stating can actualy be found on youtube, OH and look, the link is provided, lucky you:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2KU02lsfH8

Believe me, ALL my previous statements have evidence, I won't talk shit for the sake of talking it.

Next time you go and suggest if someone smoked, make sure you know what your talking about.
Well the fact that you hate Fox News but like Al Jazeera which clearly is biased as Fox News shows that you don't hate Fox News because it is biased or conservative but because Arabs like you don't like it becasue it is against arab values . I won't say that you are anti-conservative since al jazeera is conservative. It is Arab conservative. So you do like conservative channels, good for you. :yeah:

Pfloyd
03-06-2007, 01:52 PM
Well the fact that you hate Fox News but like Al Jazeera which clearly is biased as Fox News shows that you don't hate Fox News because it is biased or conservative but because Arabs like you don't like it becasue it is against arab values . I won't say that you are anti-conservative since al jazeera is conservative. It is Arab conservative. So you do like conservative channels, good for you. :yeah:

:)

Quite the contrary man, I do have certain conservative values.

I believe in capital punishment, and I consider myslef a fiscal conservative, I do not support the notion of spending money without control.

I won't support regeanomics because, regardless of what conservatives say, it dosen't really help stimulate the economy, it just adds to the national debt.

I lean towards pro-choice, but it is not an easy decision by any means.

buddyholly
03-06-2007, 02:10 PM
Bill O' Reilly has twice argued with an army verteran and twice has used the same story about american troops beating the Nazi's and mistreating them in a German town, which name my memory is forgetting right now. It was in fact the Nazi's who beat the German's in that specific war, and it was the Nazi's who abused the Americans in that specific situation.



I was not commenting on O'Reilly or Keith Ubermann when I asked what you were smoking.
It was a Belgian town and it was called Malmedy.

But that is OK.

However when someone says ''It was in fact the Nazi's(sic) who beat the German's(sic) in that specific war(you can call it WWII), then I can only conclude that I am being compassionate when I suggest that they were smoking, rather than point out the alternative conclusion, which is that that person genuinely is so ignorant of history that he/she doesn't even know what WWII was, nor even who fought who? I was trying to let you off the hook, by suggesting you were not fully awake when you made the post.

Pfloyd
03-06-2007, 02:16 PM
I was not commenting on O'Reilly or Keith Ubermann when I asked what you were smoking.
It was a Belgian town and it was called Malmedy.

But that is OK.

However when someone says ''It was in fact the Nazi's(sic) who beat the German's(sic) in that specific war(you can call it WWII), then I can only conclude that I am being compassionate when I suggest that they were smoking, rather than point out the alternative conclusion, which is that that person genuinely is so ignorant of history that he/she doesn't even know what WWII was, nor even who fought who?
I was trying to let you off the hook, by suggesting you were not fully awake when you made the post.


I was writing the post from memory, off of that clip that I remembered. I made a mistake when reffering to the German Town, when it was, in fact Belgian, like you just pointed out.

No, I am not World War II illiterate at all. I am no World War II expert, mind you. But I do know a fair bit about it. I just messed up in my top-of-the-head example, sorry for that, and I appreciate the correction.

However, next time, clarify why you said if I was smoking something, because otherwise, people can confuse what you are saying, and can get offended.

:)

Pfloyd
03-06-2007, 02:18 PM
Wow, yeah, my bad.

Correction, the Nazi's vs the Americans.

Not the Nazi's versus the Germans, my very bad, and thanks for that Buddyholly. :)

I got it right in the first mention, but screwed it up the second time around.

buddyholly
03-06-2007, 02:21 PM
However, next time, clarify why you said if I was smoking something, because otherwise, people can confuse what you are saying, and can get offended.

:)

OK
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Peoples
03-06-2007, 11:39 PM
Fox news is quite simply the single biggest, most biased news network in the United States and quite possibly on the top 5 list world wide.

Not only are they blatant in there bashing of the democrats, they will distort news to the point of ridicule. Just type in "Bill O Reilly" on Youtube or "Fox News" and you will see some highlights of what I am talking about.

Now for my petition from the Moveon.org website:

Hi,

I wanted to tell you about something pretty outrageous.

Fox News convinced the Democratic Party to let Fox host a nationally-televised Democratic presidential primary debate this summer in Nevada!

But Fox isn't even a legitimate news channel! It's a right-wing mouthpiece like Rush Limbaugh—dedicated to smearing Democrats. (Recently, Fox falsely claimed Sen. Barack Obama attended a terrorist school!)

There's a growing backlash of people demanding that Democrats drop Fox. Can you help out by signing this petition to the Democratic Party of Nevada? It's really easy—just click this link:

http://civic.moveon.org/foxdebate/?referring_id=-8008632-l51fh4&taf=1

Thanks!


Please take two minutes to do this and send a big "F you!" to Fox.

:)

You're just hilarious and you seriously think people will come along with something as stupid as this?

dkw
03-07-2007, 12:10 AM
BBC is garbage, thats news from the left's prespective, judgment/opinion included in the article. I remember during the Iraq invasion they stopped calling Saddam a dictator and instead called him "leader" because he was technically elected, ha... I guess teh same applies for Castro... he has been elected many times, haha...

I watch the 1/2 hour of BBC World (or is it BBC America) that comes on PBS at night. I don't know what shows you watch, but this particular show just gives a quick run down of world news... the prison riots in Brazil, a train accident in India, a coup here, a coup there... that sort of thing.

Maybe my values are to the left which is why I've never considered the show to be left leaning. But mostly I watch this program just to know what's going on outside America because international news just isn't on TV.

Also CSPAN1 is great, becasue you have people from the left/right talking about and defending their views, taking calls from viewers... you don't have the combative atmosphere of most of these "Opinion" shows and CSPAN doesn't have to constantly break for commercials.

zicofirol
03-07-2007, 12:39 AM
I watch the 1/2 hour of BBC World (or is it BBC America) that comes on PBS at night. I don't know what shows you watch, but this particular show just gives a quick run down of world news... the prison riots in Brazil, a train accident in India, a coup here, a coup there... that sort of thing.

Maybe my values are to the left which is why I've never considered the show to be left leaning. But mostly I watch this program just to know what's going on outside America because international news just isn't on TV.

Also CSPAN1 is great, becasue you have people from the left/right talking about and defending their views, taking calls from viewers... you don't have the combative atmosphere of most of these "Opinion" shows and CSPAN doesn't have to constantly break for commercials.
They definetly cover more world news but I mean in the point of view they have when covering certain stories, I had BBC international or US, whatever it was called lol, and you could see more there, but I also read stories from their website.

I know what cspan show your talking about and it is so much better to see them discussing instead of shouting. There was a very good interview and discussion program on pbs called uncommon knowledge, very good show imo...

buddyholly
03-07-2007, 12:37 PM
You're just hilarious and you seriously think people will come along with something as stupid as this?

A machete fight in the Cibao? Bring it on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Pfloyd
03-09-2007, 06:09 PM
You're just hilarious and you seriously think people will come along with something as stupid as this?

Hey, if you don't want to sign it, then fine.

At least im trying to do something by even offering this petition.

No point in arguing here.