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worst luck player/atp+wta history?

tennis2tennis
02-27-2007, 12:54 PM
monica seles hands down!

read her bio and thought damn girl, that sucks!

Frufru
02-27-2007, 01:21 PM
Nadal, of course. Got Federer :worship: around while he is at his peak and now he has to deal with his butt!!!:devil:

Hugh Jaas
02-27-2007, 01:48 PM
Tim henman for NEVER winning wimbledon!

I am sure he still has nightmares from is semi final loss against Goran ivanisevic in 2001.

Action Jackson
02-27-2007, 01:55 PM
If this is meant to be a serious thread

Kent Carlsson
Vinciguerra
Edgardo Massa
Michael Russell
Tommy Haas

TennisGrandSlam
02-27-2007, 02:04 PM
Guillermo Vilas

1977, 16 singles titles including 2 Clay Slams Roland Garros + US Open, also the runner-up of Grass Australian Open

But never be NO.1 :devil:

~*BGT*~
02-27-2007, 04:47 PM
Andy roddick!! He'd have 6 GS if it weren't for Fed.

Saumon
02-27-2007, 04:55 PM
If this is meant to be a serious thread

Kent Carlsson
Vinciguerra
Edgardo Massa
Michael Russell
Tommy Haas

what about Safin, the player with the worst injuries in the ATP history? :awww:

Action Jackson
02-27-2007, 05:00 PM
what about Safin, the player with the worst injuries in the ATP history? :awww:

That doesn't deserve a serious response. Tursunov has had worse injuries for a start.

Voo de Mar
02-27-2007, 05:09 PM
What about Jay Berger (USA) - he was No. 7 at the age of 23 and forced to retire one year later (I don't know why)...

*Viva Chile*
02-27-2007, 05:09 PM
Blake especially in 2004-2005

various that had dating Hingis before Radek (Alonso, Norman)

Action Jackson
02-27-2007, 05:10 PM
What about Jay Berger (USA) - he was No. 7 at the age of 23 and forced to retire one year later (I don't know why)...

Nothing on Kent Carlsson. Berger had a knee and shoulder problem and Krickstein had heaps of problems.

Burrow
02-27-2007, 05:25 PM
That doesn't deserve a serious response. Tursunov has had worse injuries for a start.

but safin has so much more talent than tursunov. He could have done so much more in his career without injury, so yes it does deserve and a response.

Action Jackson
02-27-2007, 05:33 PM
Not the worst luck when compared to Carlsson a guy who reached the top 10 and had to retire at 20 because of having 5 knee operations and could only play on clay, cause of the condition and the injury was originally done in the US on hardcourts.

Muster with the car accident, with the drunk driver going the wrong way and he was jammed in between two cars. He ended up with one leg shorter than the other, and had to restrict his play on hardcourt which lead to his hip degenerating. There are many others as well who have suffered bad luck, but they aren't always famous, so they tend to be forgotten about.

Jenrios
02-27-2007, 06:01 PM
To the worthy names already mentioned, I'd add Rios - he never achieved his full potential - first the back fracture and then the double groin op - first player to have such an op. He was never the same after 1999.

Naide
02-27-2007, 06:31 PM
monica seles hands down!

read her bio and thought damn girl, that sucks!

:sad: monica, she would have :smash: steffi many more times if that scumbag didnt attack her

senorgato
02-27-2007, 06:40 PM
I'd go with Sabatini for emerging when Graf and Seles were around.

ChinoRios4Ever
02-27-2007, 06:45 PM
To the worthy names already mentioned, I'd add Rios - he never achieved his full potential - first the back fracture and then the double groin op - first player to have such an op. He was never the same after 1999.

very true :worship:

also he played his only GS final vs a dope player :sad:

Naide
02-27-2007, 06:52 PM
very true :worship:

also he played his only GS final vs a dope player :sad:

el chino:hearts:
i miss him

aulus
02-27-2007, 07:37 PM
not worst, but krajicek was plagued by injuries. he was very talented and owned sampras even on fast surfaces.

r2473
02-27-2007, 07:57 PM
Nothing on Kent Carlsson. Berger had a knee and shoulder problem and Krickstein had heaps of problems.

What problems did Krickstein have? He is of course only remembered for that loss to Connors in 91 US Open.

R.Federer
02-27-2007, 08:01 PM
Tommy Haas, he has had very bad luck with injuries.
Roddick, Hewitt -- more slams without Federer
Coria -- we all know why
Agassi -- same problem as Roddick, lived in the Sampras generation, contested some of his slam losses against Sampras

Greg-Pete fan
02-27-2007, 08:26 PM
David Wheaton - Wimbledon 1991 semifinalist, he was very talented, but...:confused:

jazar
02-27-2007, 08:27 PM
i would say seles. i mean afterall, she was stabbed and not only did that cause physical damage, but psycholoical damage as well

GlennMirnyi
02-27-2007, 08:30 PM
Hernandez. He'd finish his carrer with some 10 slams if the AO and the US were on grass like the old times.

Havok
02-27-2007, 08:32 PM
Monica Seles.

Mary Pierce. Got injured every single time she was playing damn good tennis. If she retires right now, she'd have an incredible tennis career left behind, but think of how much better it really could have been.

On the men's side (haven't followed it as much/closely as the wta) but Haas and Safin with their injuries. Also the current crop of top guys (most notably Roddick) for hitting form during the JesusFed era and being held back for their slam wins.

Peoples
02-28-2007, 12:58 AM
I vote for Federer!

atheneglaukopis
02-28-2007, 01:49 AM
That doesn't deserve a serious response. Tursunov has had worse injuries for a start.Nope, Safin is the only player ever to have been injured ever. Maybe Blake. :scratch: But only because I'm being nice.

MarieS
02-28-2007, 01:51 AM
That doesn't deserve a serious response. Tursunov has had worse injuries for a start.

OMGZ, r u serious????//// :awww: :sobbing:
and which one is tursunov? is he the blog guy?

Action Jackson
02-28-2007, 04:41 AM
Nope, Safin is the only player ever to have been injured ever. Maybe Blake. :scratch: But only because I'm being nice.

Did Safin have to retire at 20 cause of knee problems? Has he being like Massa who is the same age as Coria and Nalbandian and never played a full season or close to a full season on tour cause of injuries anssurgery to both shoulders and his hip? Would like me to go on? No, I didn't think so.

MarieS
02-28-2007, 05:17 AM
http://www.answers.com/topic/sarcasm :)

CmonAussie
02-28-2007, 05:28 AM
***
#Ivan Lendl [lost 11-slam finals]
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#Evonne Goolagong [lost 11-slam finals]
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>>>~~ Honorable mention: Mark Philippoussis [2-slam finals & 10-knee reconstructions]..><!

Andre♥
02-28-2007, 05:37 AM
Seles gets my voted. Is there anything worse than getting stabbed in the back? :tape:

oz_boz
02-28-2007, 09:59 AM
ATP - I was going to mention Carlsson as well, at least among the ones that had potential to be real top players but had to retire early.
WTA player has to be Seles.

Guybrush
02-28-2007, 10:18 AM
Mirjana Lučić. She was the best junior player in the world, made it to the Wimbly semifinal in her first senior season, but her career has ended to early because of her mad father. :sad:

CmonAussie
02-28-2007, 10:26 AM
Mirjana Lučić. She was the best junior player in the world, made it to the Wimbly semifinal in her first senior season, but her career has ended to early because of her mad father. :sad:


:wavey:
Sounds very similiar to poor Jelena Dokic`s short rise & fall to/from fame:sad:
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Reached QFs at Wimby in 99 at 17yrs
Reached SFs at Wimby in 00
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Won a couple of tournaments including Rome in 01
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Ranking peaked at #4
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Mad father forced Jelena to move countries 4-times & even attempted to abduct his own daughter a couple of years ago:eek:... then he threatened to kill her because she refused to continue living with her family..><
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Jelena tried a comeback but I think she`s too psychologically unstable:sad:
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Of course she still has a beautiful face & amazing figure~> she could make it big in the media if a few breaks went her way;)

Malul
02-28-2007, 10:44 AM
Hernandez. He'd finish his carrer with some 10 slams if the AO and the US were on grass like the old times.

:worship:

i also agree on Seles being up there with Muster with the accidents,that was more than just ordinary injuries.

martine2
02-28-2007, 11:28 AM
Seles :sad:

Moya, because of the back fracture when he was on the top of his career and all the injuries afterwards.

Safin and Blake, also because of the injuries

Modetopia
02-28-2007, 11:30 AM
Mark Philippoussis at Wimbledon QF 1999
6-4 1-2 RET:sad:

Kolya
02-28-2007, 11:43 AM
Carlsson is probably the most unluckiest. If anyone checked out his profile, this guy won like 9 titles in a couple years even though he was struggling with knee injuries but still reached No. 6 in the world I think.

Mecir was also unlucky with his back injuries which I believe inhibited his progress. He could have won so many more titles.

Guybrush
02-28-2007, 12:04 PM
:wavey:
Sounds very similiar to poor Jelena Dokic`s short rise & fall to/from fame:sad:
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Reached QFs at Wimby in 99 at 17yrs
Reached SFs at Wimby in 00
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Won a couple of tournaments including Rome in 01
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Ranking peaked at #4
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Mad father forced Jelena to move countries 4-times & even attempted to abduct his own daughter a couple of years ago:eek:... then he threatened to kill her because she refused to continue living with her family..><
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Jelena tried a comeback but I think she`s too psychologically unstable:sad:
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Of course she still has a beautiful face & amazing figure~> she could make it big in the media if a few breaks went her way;)

But at least Jelena has made a career, Mirjana has not. Her senior career was over to early. And we are talking about a girl that has won a senior GS on the age of 15. The 1998 AO doubles with Martina Hingis. And she was one of 3 players that have won 2 junior GS's at age of 14 (with Martina Hingis and Jennifer Capriati). She was a great potential ruined because of his psycho father that slapped her everytime she missed a shot on TRAINING! She never recovered from these traumatic experiences and tennis has lost a great player, and I bet that most of world tennis fans even don't know who Mirjana is becuase he stopped with tennis to early.

That is why I think she is the tennis most unlucky tennis player, because she has lost a chance to become a great player. Unlike Monica Seles or the other players mentioned here...they at least have made a career...Mirjana has not. :sad:

Auscon
02-28-2007, 01:24 PM
Mark Philippoussis at Wimbledon QF 1999
6-4 1-2 RET:sad:

agreed, I'd have Flip on my list

and now the continual reoccurrence of that bastard of a knee injury every time it looks as though he may finally be on the right track....

Action Jackson
03-01-2007, 03:43 AM
The Poo is a mixture of bad luck and bad management on his behalf.

Merton
03-01-2007, 03:48 AM
That must be somebody who had freakish injuries, most probably so severe that prevented the poor soul from even making the top-100.

Action Jackson
03-01-2007, 03:49 AM
That must be somebody who had freakish injuries, most probably so severe that prevented the poor soul from even making the top-100.

Edgardo Massa

Action Jackson
03-01-2007, 03:53 AM
but safin has so much more talent than tursunov. He could have done so much more in his career without injury, so yes it does deserve and a response.

Safin has won 2 Slams, his career wasn't cut short that he wasn't able to play at high level at least for a few players, he enjoyed the good life (his choice), that isn't bad luck, that is bad management. It pales into comparison to a broken back by Tursunov, 2 shoulder surgeries and a hip surgery to Massa, the ones to Muster and Carlsson already mentioned.

Merton
03-01-2007, 04:02 AM
Edgardo Massa

Thank you, that sounds like it. I don't know if the poor guy ever played a proper season at the pro level. Back in 2001 he was a promising youngster, then he got trapped in the challengers. By the way, I just checked that he hit a career high of 102.

ChinoRios4Ever
03-01-2007, 04:04 AM
Yayo has too much bad lucky :sad:

Mimi
03-01-2007, 04:04 AM
monica:sad:

Action Jackson
03-01-2007, 04:09 AM
Thank you, that sounds like it. I don't know if the poor guy ever played a proper season at the pro level. Back in 2001 he was a promising youngster, then he got trapped in the challengers. By the way, I just checked that he hit a career high of 102.

He has never played a full season on tour. He is from the same generation as Coria and Nalbandian.

Surgery to both shoulders, I think he had a knee problem. He had hip surgery last September and only came back last week. He can make the top 100, if he could get a year free from injury.

Di Pasquale another unlucky guy who had to retire with injuries to his knee, serious back problems.

Merton
03-01-2007, 04:26 AM
Mark Philippoussis at Wimbledon QF 1999
6-4 1-2 RET:sad:

That is an interesting case, he definitely had bad luck but on the other hand his work ethic was questionable so it is not clear what part of his injuries would have been preventable.

Action Jackson
03-01-2007, 10:03 AM
What problems did Krickstein have? He is of course only remembered for that loss to Connors in 91 US Open.

Krickstein had stress factures in both feet, wrist problems, had an operation on his tibia and got hit by a taxi when he was injured.

Pixie
03-01-2007, 10:25 AM
Golmard and Di Pasquale for the frenchies haven't been spoilt to say the least. DiP had a couple of injuries previously but one have said that from the time he had a slipped disc surgery (in 2003), he never recovered physically. He was only 24 and it's not like he could only have counted on his talent.

As for Golmard, well his numerous retirements say the most. He didn't have a better return than Agassi even saying something like that one time, but he was talented and could have achieved more.

Nathaliia
03-01-2007, 01:59 PM
My picks:

Lucic in WTA - for sure. She was such a talent, but couldn't make a career due to a freak who was her own father. Seles at least was very successful.

From ATP... I didn't know about Carlsson before, but it looks like he needs to be mentioned... then Massa and Golmard - both with a serious potential, but the injuries ruined it all.

Rios is a separate case, as he had a great career after all, however in fact, the only Slam final he could have won, he had lost it to a person caught on dope, plus later he had tons of injuries, and when he tried to come back, he was denied wild cards on main tour.

Action Jackson
03-04-2007, 11:43 AM
As for Golmard, well his numerous retirements say the most. He didn't have a better return than Agassi even saying something like that one time, but he was talented and could have achieved more.

Definitely a talent and fun to watch when he was playing well and he won Dubai one year didn't he?

***Daniela86***
03-04-2007, 02:30 PM
Paul Henri Mathieu didn't have a lot of luck either :sad: What happened to him at the Australian Open was :sad:
As for the women,Seles and Lucic are the unluckiest.Lina Krasnoutskaya was very unlucky too.She was the number 1 in juniors and made a QF at RG at 17 but then was severly injured several times and had a illness (problems with her liver) She retired at 21 :sad:

Pixie
03-04-2007, 02:32 PM
Definitely a talent and fun to watch when he was playing well and he won Dubai one year didn't he?

Yes in 1999 which should have been his best year. He achieved number 22 in the ranking, doing also the QF in Key Biscayne, SF in Estoril and Montecarlo but couldn't play Roland Garros because of his everlasting back problems, and played his last tournament of the year at Nottingham (!). He came back seven months later to win Chennai. Granted,this tournament was a MM at its best that year.

Actually, Golmard's career reminds me a bit of Calleri's : late-bloomer (decided to take the tennis seriously very late), rarely injury-free, underachiever in slams and even the same amount of tournaments won so far (2).

Action Jackson
03-04-2007, 02:43 PM
Yes in 1999 which should have been his best year. He achieved number 22 in the ranking, doing also the QF in Key Biscayne, SF in Estoril and Montecarlo but couldn't play Roland Garros because of his everlasting back problems, and played his last tournament of the year at Nottingham (!). He came back seven months later to win Chennai. Granted,this tournament was a MM at its best that year.

Actually, Golmard's career reminds me a bit of Calleri's : late-bloomer (decided to take the tennis seriously very late), rarely injury-free, underachiever in slams and even the same amount of tournaments won so far (2).

The comparison with Calleri makes a lot of sense now I look at, though 2 very different kinds of players with certain similarities.

Daniel25
03-04-2007, 02:55 PM
What about all the guys on the ATP tour who have their careers in the
'Fed-era'? No chance for them to win a Grand Slam! (with a few exceptions...)

Action Jackson
03-04-2007, 02:58 PM
What about all the guys on the ATP tour who have their careers in the
'Fed-era'? No chance for them to win a Grand Slam! (with a few exceptions...)

Far from it.

Action Jackson
08-21-2007, 01:09 PM
My picks:

Lucic in WTA - for sure. She was such a talent, but couldn't make a career due to a freak who was her own father. Seles at least was very successful.

That was horrible what happened to her and her career.

Kolya
08-21-2007, 01:17 PM
What happened to David Sanchez?

He won 2 titles on clay in 2003 in Bucharest and Vina del Mar beating Massu and Rios respectively.

He is only 29 and retired.

Action Jackson
08-21-2007, 01:22 PM
What happened to David Sanchez?

He won 2 titles on clay in 2003 in Bucharest and Vina del Mar beating Massu and Rios respectively.

He is only 29 and retired.

He lost the love of the game and decided it was time to do something else.

bokehlicious
08-21-2007, 01:25 PM
Safin is a headcase, he lacks a brain, not luck... :o

CmonAussie
08-21-2007, 01:29 PM
...
Jelena Dokic [Damir ruined everything]><..

Todd Martin [had to compete with Sampras, Agassi, Courier, Chang, Becker, Rafter~~ otherwise he could have a much more successful career]..

TankingTheSet
08-21-2007, 02:46 PM
Of the current players surely Pim Pim (Joachim Johansson) deserves a mention...burst onto the scene in 2004 but suffered a serious shoulder injury in 2005. Never been the same since.

He tried to comeback in the autumn of last year, won a few matches, then at Adelaide in January had to play two matches in one day while carrying an injury...he has not recovered :sad:

Burrow
08-21-2007, 03:01 PM
I'd go with Sabatini for emerging when Graf and Seles were around.

That's her own fault, she wasn't good enough. :shrug:

MatchFederer
08-21-2007, 03:05 PM
Andy roddick!! He'd have 6 GS if it weren't for Fed.

Is this a joke?

ReturnWinner
08-21-2007, 03:11 PM
yes and a big one
Is this a joke?

Howard
08-21-2007, 03:39 PM
...Todd Martin [had to compete with Sampras, Agassi, Courier, Chang, Becker, Rafter~~ otherwise he could have a much more successful career]..You mean if there weren't a lot of better players around Martin would have done better? I think you've really hit in something here.

*snowflake*
08-21-2007, 05:44 PM
Monica Seles and James Blake.

I was 6 when the Monica incident happened and i remember it like i saw it yesterday. Simply horrific.

And James...breaking his neck, having zoster, getting back on the court and reaching top 10...hands down.

Johnny Groove
08-21-2007, 05:48 PM
Of the current players surely Pim Pim (Joachim Johansson) deserves a mention...burst onto the scene in 2004 but suffered a serious shoulder injury in 2005. Never been the same since.

He tried to comeback in the autumn of last year, won a few matches, then at Adelaide in January had to play two matches in one day while carrying an injury...he has not recovered :sad:

Pim Pim :awww: :hug:

He was such a joy to watch, that serve was so fluid and perfect, flawless.

He tried to come back a few times, even at the AO this year, he played about 2 games before retiring :awww:

rofe
08-21-2007, 05:49 PM
Pim Pim :awww: :hug:

He was such a joy to watch, that serve was so fluid and perfect, flawless.

He tried to come back a few times, even at the AO this year, he played about 2 games before retiring :awww:

I agree, I miss Pim Pim too. Hope he gets back on the tour soon.

Bobby
08-21-2007, 05:54 PM
Of the current players surely Pim Pim (Joachim Johansson) deserves a mention...burst onto the scene in 2004 but suffered a serious shoulder injury in 2005. Never been the same since.

He tried to comeback in the autumn of last year, won a few matches, then at Adelaide in January had to play two matches in one day while carrying an injury...he has not recovered :sad:

That may not be just bad luck. Pim Pim is a big server, and it's possible that his service motion is very consuming and causes these injuries. Some players suffer from injuries because of the way they play the game. Then there are players who don't really get injured. Being unlucky is rarely the main reason for persistent injuries.

stebs
08-21-2007, 06:20 PM
The really unlucky players are those who we don't know about. The players who, if we could see them play, we'd know had the talent to be top players but who've had to retire in their teens due to injuries.

Anyone who's become famous enough for a lot of us to know about their bad luck with injuries is really not as unlucky as all that.

R.Federer
08-21-2007, 06:21 PM
Can't think past Seles on the WTA side. Hers cut short what could have been a career to match Graf's, due to nothing she could have prevented.

Injuries are bad luck for anyone, but apart from the freak accidents like Blake's, injuries are due to too much training, poor warm up skills before strenuous matches, physical regimen that are ill suited to particular body types, and these are things CHOSEN by the players themselves. In Seles's case, she was "at fault" only in that she had beaten that idiot's idol Graf too many times.

MisterQ
08-21-2007, 06:58 PM
Maureen Connolly should be mentioned alongside,or perhaps ahead of, Seles. 9 Major Singles Titles (including a true Grand Slam in 1953) as a teenager, and then a horse riding accident ended her career at 19. At least Seles had another chance to compete. :sad:

I think Stebs is correct in saying that the unluckiest of all are probably people we've never heard of.

kiwi10is
08-21-2007, 07:08 PM
Tommy Haas stepped on a ball during warmup in Wimbledon and tore the ligaments in his ancle... had to retire before the first point was played.

thrust
08-21-2007, 09:09 PM
Seles, for sure.

MoiNonPlus
08-21-2007, 09:19 PM
My neighbour. He got hurt in a car crash while going to his first competition match. His leg got broken and he never played a match then.

NYCtennisfan
08-21-2007, 09:32 PM
Haas, Krickstein, Seles.

LeChuck
08-21-2007, 09:40 PM
On the men's side, GWH told me yesterday that Kent Carlsson was plagued by persistant knee problems, whcih forced him to play almost exclusively on clay during his very short career, before retiring at 21 years of age when he was expecting to achieve big things in the sport. I would have to nominate him.
On the women's side, definately Seles.

ReturnWinner
08-22-2007, 12:00 AM
Edgardo "Yayo" Massa

GlennMirnyi
08-22-2007, 04:59 AM
Edgardo "Yayo" Massa

True.

Merton
08-22-2007, 06:04 AM
Those that were severely injured before they fulfilled their potential, Massa is a good example.

groundstroke
08-22-2007, 07:18 AM
Yeah she got stabbed, sucked because she was really good then.
What about Safin? Wins a Grand Slam in 2000, gets injured.
Wins a Grand Slam in 2005, gets injured once again.

Action Jackson
08-22-2007, 07:48 AM
Can't think past Seles on the WTA side. Hers cut short what could have been a career to match Graf's, due to nothing she could have prevented.

Injuries are bad luck for anyone, but apart from the freak accidents like Blake's, injuries are due to too much training, poor warm up skills before strenuous matches, physical regimen that are ill suited to particular body types, and these are things CHOSEN by the players themselves. In Seles's case, she was "at fault" only in that she had beaten that idiot's idol Graf too many times.

So it was Andrei Chesnokov's fault that the bone in his ankle broke through his skin was it and he virtually ended his career?

Here it is you don't know the particular circumstances how a lot of these injuries happen, some of them are due to poor training, but that's only a percentage of them, even then with the right precautions it doesn't always work out.

Action Jackson
08-22-2007, 07:49 AM
Yeah she got stabbed, sucked because she was really good then.
What about Safin? Wins a Grand Slam in 2000, gets injured.
Wins a Grand Slam in 2005, gets injured once again.

Read through the thread and you will see why there are a few posters who don't agree at all with Safin, but Seles is without a doubt one of them.

Adler
08-22-2007, 07:56 AM
Why is Safin even mentioned in this thread, injuries contained him, but not destroyed his career

GWH : I remember the Chesnokov match, it was against Mark Woodforde I suppose... Woodie said that it sounded something like a car accident

Action Jackson
08-22-2007, 08:04 AM
The really unlucky players are those who we don't know about. The players who, if we could see them play, we'd know had the talent to be top players but who've had to retire in their teens due to injuries.

Anyone who's become famous enough for a lot of us to know about their bad luck with injuries is really not as unlucky as all that.

True for the most part. Yes, Kent Carlsson and Yayo Massa are household names and are you doubting that these guys had more than enough bad luck in their career.

Carlsson injured his knee playing on a hardcourt, did the rehab and had 5 operations on the same knee and the medical standards then weren't what they are and he wasn't able to play on anything else but clay.

Action Jackson
08-22-2007, 08:06 AM
Those that were severely injured before they fulfilled their potential, Massa is a good example.

Very good example, as I said earlier in the thread and I will repeat with a bit more detail.

Massa, well being 26 and never having played a full year on tour. I am not sure to me this is not someone who is fortunate, but 3 shoulder operations, 1 hip operation, broken feet and a broken hand.

One of the shoulder injuries, he was trying to evade a girl courtside and fell on his right shoulder and broke it instantly.

Kolya
08-22-2007, 09:51 AM
So it was Andrei Chesnokov's fault that the bone in his ankle broke through his skin was it and he virtually ended his career?

When did this happen to Chesnokov?

Action Jackson
08-22-2007, 09:53 AM
When did this happen to Chesnokov?

1997 against Woodbridge.

Kolya
08-22-2007, 10:11 AM
1997 against Woodbridge.

What happened to Chesnokov after the early 90's when he started to drop?

Action Jackson
08-22-2007, 10:25 AM
What happened to Chesnokov after the early 90's when he started to drop?

It's in the Oldies thread on here about Chesnokov.

stebs
08-22-2007, 11:22 AM
True for the most part. Yes, Kent Carlsson and Yayo Massa are household names and are you doubting that these guys had more than enough bad luck in their career.

Carlsson injured his knee playing on a hardcourt, did the rehab and had 5 operations on the same knee and the medical standards then weren't what they are and he wasn't able to play on anything else but clay.

Well there are some players who only just got started before they had to finish and that's sad as well. Carlsson showed all the signs of hitting big in the future and RG was probably not out of his reach but obviously bad luck stopped that. He really was the ultimate moonballer. :p

Action Jackson
08-22-2007, 11:27 AM
Well there are some players who only just got started before they had to finish and that's sad as well. Carlsson showed all the signs of hitting big in the future and RG was probably not out of his reach but obviously bad luck stopped that. He really was the ultimate moonballer. :p

Look at the Massa example and even now Mike Russell has been able to play, but he has had shocking luck and as for Carlsson, he had a 3 year window to win RG and it was taken away and he didn't hit moonballs.

stebs
08-22-2007, 11:57 AM
Look at the Massa example and even now Mike Russell has been able to play, but he has had shocking luck and as for Carlsson, he had a 3 year window to win RG and it was taken away and he didn't hit moonballs.

There are many examples and even worse as I stated in my previous post are those players who never even got started due to sheer bad luck. I mean for every Carlsson who had to retire before his time there is an equally good player who had to retire before they even got started on the ATP.

It really is embarrassing that some people here can say that the worst luck player is Safin for having a few injuries and even worse that some people say Roddick and Hewitt just because they aren't good enough to win majors anymore. You compare this with the examples you give and it's laughable.

PS - I was joking with the Carlsson moonball. ;) However, watching him hit a BH from close to the net was bizarre. He really got under that ball to generate the spin.

Action Jackson
08-22-2007, 12:13 PM
There are many examples and even worse as I stated in my previous post are those players who never even got started due to sheer bad luck. I mean for every Carlsson who had to retire before his time there is an equally good player who had to retire before they even got started on the ATP.

It really is embarrassing that some people here can say that the worst luck player is Safin for having a few injuries and even worse that some people say Roddick and Hewitt just because they aren't good enough to win majors anymore. You compare this with the examples you give and it's laughable.

PS - I was joking with the Carlsson moonball. ;) However, watching him hit a BH from close to the net was bizarre. He really got under that ball to generate the spin.

Hence the thread title I think refers to the ATP/WTA, not the ones that didn't make it, hence I used the ones previously as examples that suit the thread title, but there aren't that many that make the top 10.

The Roddick and Safin one is offensive and shows a very narrow perspective.

Well Carlsson, in the warm up never practiced his volleys and he hit with more spin than anyone, given the racquet he was using at the time.

adee-gee
08-22-2007, 12:26 PM
I was just reading about the Seles stabbing, obviously I've heard of it but I was too young to remember it. It seems when it first happened doctors said she'd only be out for 4 weeks, but the mental scars kept her from returning for 2 years.

Incredible that she won her first tourney back after 2 years and won the final 6-1 6-0.

Having read more....her father (also long term coach) dying of cancer, and foot injuries etc. I'd say she has to be the unluckiest, male or female.

DhammaTiger
08-22-2007, 12:41 PM
Joerg Schaefer, a very talented German junior contemporary of Kiefer and Haas. His mother stopped him from playing tennis when he was 17 and sent him to university. He was devastated . Who knows he might have become number 1 in the world.

kabuki
08-22-2007, 01:20 PM
I'm surprised no one has said Rod Laver. He has got to be the unluckiest of all along with Monica Seles. He lost five years of his prime (1963-1967) in the slams because he was a professional. Imagine how many slams he could have won. Would we even be talking about Roger (or Pete) as possible GOAT?

Forehander
08-22-2007, 01:21 PM
Sebastien Grosjean

tennis2tennis
08-22-2007, 06:15 PM
I know alot of people say
"oh Roddick would have had more had it not been for federer"
or "Sabatini would have had more had it not been for Graff"...but that's not about bad luck that about ability (or lack thereof)!...I mentioned Seles in my original post 'cause the girl was stabbed that was a freak incident completely tennis unrelated...of course injuries can fall into that but sometimes its other stuff...like being wrongfully banned, or having a coach/parent handing out the wrong advice or going through bad personal life..etc

CmonAussie
08-22-2007, 07:20 PM
I'm surprised no one has said Rod Laver. He has got to be the unluckiest of all along with Monica Seles. He lost five years of his prime (1963-1967) in the slams because he was a professional. Imagine how many slams he could have won. Would we even be talking about Roger (or Pete) as possible GOAT?


:wavey:
Yeah Laver could have won atleast another 10-Slams, since he would have dominated both Wimbledon & AO, plus he`d have taken another USO or FO for sure;)

Even with conservative estimates Laver should have won ~21 Slams total:angel:

DhammaTiger
08-22-2007, 09:51 PM
LOL.

Aren't you confusing him with Norman Bates?

Actually Joerg is a real person, I knew personally. I wouldn't doubt it if he is
a poster on mtf. I admit his story sounds like Norman Bates but it isn't as sensational as that. I can't give you more details because I know him personally; but anyone can go through the German Federation or ITF records to find out more about him.

kabuki
08-23-2007, 01:03 PM
:wavey:
Yeah Laver could have won atleast another 10-Slams, since he would have dominated both Wimbledon & AO, plus he`d have taken another USO or FO for sure;)

Even with conservative estimates Laver should have won ~21 Slams total:angel:

I think that estimate may be a little high, because there were initially two players that manhandled him a bit as a pro, Hoad and Rosewall. He turned the tables after a year or two, but perhaps had tennis been open for all of Laver's career, he might not have won the slam in 62, but would have added several 63-67. My (shitty unscientific) estimate would be 18. Still a lot higher mountain for Pete or Fed to climb. As in all things of this nature, though, it's shoulda, woulda, coulda. We'll never know. All we have is reality.

Laver is definitely unlucky, though.

Action Jackson
08-23-2007, 01:07 PM
:wavey:
Yeah Laver could have won atleast another 10-Slams, since he would have dominated both Wimbledon & AO, plus he`d have taken another USO or FO for sure;)

Even with conservative estimates Laver should have won ~21 Slams total:angel:

How is it unlucky? Rocket made the smart decision to join the Pro Tour at the time, that was his own choice, or are you that biased not to see that.

Rogiman
08-23-2007, 01:12 PM
Safin.

He's the only player in the history of the game to have suffered lingering injuries.

LeChuck
08-23-2007, 01:38 PM
Regarding Laver, he needed to join the pro-tour to make a decent living for himself. As GWH said, that's not unlucky, that's just pure common sense. Anyway, for a lengthy period of time prior to the formation of the 'open era', the French, US and Wembly pro tournaments were probably far more highly regarded than the grand slams (from what I've heard from numerous tennis fans who followed the sport back then)

kabuki
08-23-2007, 02:11 PM
Regarding Laver, he needed to join the pro-tour to make a decent living for himself. As GWH said, that's not unlucky, that's just pure common sense. Anyway, for a lengthy period of time prior to the formation of the 'open era', the French, US and Wembly pro tournaments were probably far more highly regarded than the grand slams (from what I've heard from numerous tennis fans who followed the sport back then)

I don't think the two are mutually exclusive. Sure it was common sense to make a living, but Laver was unfortunate, or unlucky that he didn't have the option to continue to play the slams.

Action Jackson
08-23-2007, 02:17 PM
I don't think the two are mutually exclusive. Sure it was common sense to make a living, but Laver was unfortunate, or unlucky that he didn't have the option to continue to play the slams.

Wrong, he had the option and chose the best one for him as he made a living at a time when there wasn't much cash around and many of the best players were on the pro tour.

Honestly to mention him as unlucky compared to examples like Seles, Carlsson, Massa and Mike Russell is a bit much.

Laver had the option and chose the best for him.

kabuki
08-23-2007, 03:01 PM
Wrong, he had the option and chose the best one for him as he made a living at a time when there wasn't much cash around and many of the best players were on the pro tour.

Honestly to mention him as unlucky compared to examples like Seles, Carlsson, Massa and Mike Russell is a bit much.

Laver had the option and chose the best for him.

I see your point and sure he had an option, but he was unable to make a living. How many people today would be able to play the tour if they couldn't make a living? Laver definitely had extenuating circumstances. Bad luck in my book.

As far as the others you mention, they are all unlucky, Seles in particular, which I pointed out in my original post. Unlucky are those who are not allowed to fulfill their potential within the parameters of their sport. I'd say Laver fits that bill, and probably missed out on more accomplishments than 3 of those four put together.

Action Jackson
08-23-2007, 03:11 PM
I see your point and sure he had an option, but he was unable to make a living. How many people today would be able to play the slams if they couldn't make a living? Laver definitely had extenuating circumstances. Bad luck in my book.

As far as the others you mention, they are all unlucky, Seles in particular, which I pointed out in my original post. Unlucky are those who are not allowed to fulfill their potential within the parameters of their sport. I'd say Laver fits that bill, and probably missed out on more accomplishments than 3 of those four put together.

If this was the case, then why were there amateur players then in that time and not all of them joined the pro tour? He had a choice and it was not the worst luck at all, the guy won the GS twice, don't expect me or others to think he was unlucky and he was fortunate in that tennis was only played on 2 surfaces, though if they were played on 4, he was likely to win it again.

Who gives a crap about what they achieved, that is actually irrelevant when it comes to this discussion and I have said why many times it's a stretch. Laver didn't get stabbed, he didn't have plenty of surgeries to shoulder, legs, hamstrings, blood clots in legs, that effectd his lungs.

He was still able to play tennis during his time and didn't have his career taken away from him by stuff that he couldn't control and you are trivialising these other players, just cause they aren't as good as Laver.