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sondraj06
02-27-2007, 03:08 AM
O.K I know not many of you are american so I don't know how many of you care about american politics, but you might. I went to a Barack Obama rally to day, yes he was in good ol Cleveland Ohio. He really needs to win here, it so far gone republican. As some might know it was the deciding state in bushes re-election. and is very important for either party to win here. So Barack is hitting the campaign trail early. But I must say No matter who wins

Barack is my president....I don't know who is yours


YAYAYAY Barack Barack Obama rock

By the was he is democratic. He is for bringing the troops home. He already proposed a bill to do that. It will be decided on in may I think he said. He is for the troops coming home and giving Iraq back control of their country but he is still for diplomatic involvement in Iraq. He doesn't think we should just pull out and that's that, but military involvement is not going to win anything there. He is for national health care plan for all Americans. and re-establishing social security for americans. And he wants to re-establish international relations which has crumbled over the years.

Here is the link to his website

http://www.barackobama.com/

I know some people outside of the u.s have no say in who becomes our president. But the world is in fact affected by that decision, so if you still want to get involved you can donate money to his campaign. And I know people hate when people ask for money, I do too. but Barack is not rich, he didn't come from privilege and doesn't own oil companies or take excessive amounts of money from big business to finance his campaign. So it's kind of a grass route campaign. Like he said I 'd rather take 5 dollars from 100,000 people than take 100,000 dollars from 5 people. So any amount will help

https://donate.barackobama.com/page/contribute/main?source=homedropdown

Thanks, and if your not happy with the direction of American politics you can get involved even if you can't vote.

Pfloyd
02-27-2007, 05:18 AM
Sondra, there is a U.S politics chat thread at MTF! :D

Anytime you want to post anything about american politics use that thread and I'll get back to you as soon as I can.

By the way, I donated 25$ to Obama's campaign! Let's go Obama!!!!

sondraj06
02-27-2007, 05:31 AM
Oh wow I didn't know that. And thank you, thank you, thank you.

Jim Jones
02-27-2007, 06:08 PM
sorry sondra but I did not quite get this setence of yours:
'By the was he is democratic. He is for bringing the troops home'.

So if one is for democracy he is for bringing U.S. troops back home? I suppose you meant Democrat though even here I don't see how that is a better thing. Obviously you would know that some here (such as myself) support republicans. However I would not mind Barack winning because of his mutli-ethnic heritage and the fact that he is a former muslim who converted to Chrisitanity. Under Islam, anyone who converts away from Islam should be punished by death so the radical muslims will go crazy if they see that the most powerful person is such a guy. So I say, GO BARACK!!

Mistaflava
02-27-2007, 06:57 PM
Obama chasing Osama would be hilarious...

R.Federer
02-27-2007, 07:28 PM
I have heard him speak on the U.S. shows and he is very intelligent. I just do not know enough about his positions on various policy matters (aside from the war) to form a good judgement. He does seem awfully young, by which I mean inexperienced, for Presidency. But I am looking forward to some of his debates against Clinton.

Clara Bow
02-27-2007, 07:51 PM
My husband took a constituional law class taught by Obama when he was teaching at the University of Chicago Law School for the 1999-2000 school year. He really enjoyed it and said it was a popular class. I remember looking through the UofC law face book and wondering who the cute professor was. Yes- I am shallow.

Was Barack actually Muslin? I always thought that he just farted around with it a little in his younger days but never was converted to Islam, etc. I could be wrong...

Pfloyd
02-27-2007, 09:49 PM
My husband took a constituional law class taught by Obama when he was teaching at the University of Chicago Law School for the 1999-2000 school year. He really enjoyed it and said it was a popular class. I remember looking through the UofC law face book and wondering who the cute professor was. Yes- I am shallow.

Was Barack actually Muslin? I always thought that he just farted around with it a little in his younger days but never was converted to Islam, etc. I could be wrong...

No, Obama was never a Muslim. These were claims made by FOX News (suprise, suprise) which were later quite fully nullified by Obama's response.

On another note, just because he's "inexpirienced" dosen't mean that he can't be a good president. After all, all these candidates that are running for office will all be new to the job of the presidency. Bush had political expirience, and look how much this helped him.

Breakaway
02-27-2007, 10:17 PM
He doesn't quite have the experience yet in my opinion, however he would make a great VP. Clinton for president and Obama for Vice :yeah:

dorkino
02-27-2007, 10:30 PM
Obama's opinions seem interesting . Don't know if he'll ever get the chance to accomplish what he really thinks of though.

And knowing that some people still believe Obama really converted from Islam to Christianity is surprising. This is simply false news.

R.Federer
02-27-2007, 11:05 PM
On another note, just because he's "inexpirienced" dosen't mean that he can't be a good president. After all, all these candidates that are running for office will all be new to the job of the presidency. Bush had political expirience, and look how much this helped him.

Well that is counterfactual. The question is: without political experience, how much worse would Bush have been.

Johnny Groove
02-27-2007, 11:10 PM
hes very articulate :devil:

R.Federer
02-27-2007, 11:11 PM
How does it even matter whether Obama was born and raised Muslim or Catholic, if he is not practising either?

His fathers (both biological and step) are Muslim, and he did attend a predominantly Muslim school in Indonesia. Detractors will say it was actually a Madrasa. His mother's family was Catholic, but he says in his book that the family was quite atheistic.

zicofirol
02-27-2007, 11:31 PM
he would be a terrible president...
here are some positions I disagree with him
he does not want to cut gov. spending, is opposed to gay marriage, is for continuing farming subsidies, ht wants to "reward companies that create domestic jobs" whatever that means, he is for national healthcare (what a disaster that would be), wants to continue the war on drugs etc. among many other things... Most young people who want to vote for him, want to just because he relatively young and because he is black, in other words vote for him just because he is "different", when you look at the policies he proposes they are just more of the same crap...

Best candidate is Ron Paul by far...
although I disagree with his stance on some abortion issues, I agree with most of his other issues from taxes, to government spending, his stance on teh war on drugs etc.

this from wikipedia "Paul professes a limited government, libertarian ideology. His regular votes against almost all proposals for government spending, initiatives, or taxes, and his frequent dissents in otherwise unanimous votes have irritated some of his Republican colleagues and have earned him the nickname “Dr. No” (an example being his dissenting vote in the Sarbanes-Oxley Act where he was one of three Representatives voting against it" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Paul#Medical_marijuana

http://www.issues2000.org/TX/Ron_Paul.htm

alelysafina
02-27-2007, 11:35 PM
Morgan freeman should have totally run for president.

alelysafina
02-27-2007, 11:39 PM
ht wants to "reward companies that create domestic jobs" whatever that means,


He means thatther will be rewards for companies who make more jobs in the US/ bring them back instead of sending them to India (like AOL does) or any other country that outsources.

R.Federer
02-27-2007, 11:45 PM
Interesting to know he is opposed to gay marriages. That is an uncommon position for someone affiliated to the Democratic party. But I guess he has some softer position on the issue, like civil unions or so?
National healthcare, well those are all words that the US has heard before, but what are the plans or details to get that done? War on drugs is a good thing, and not outsourcing jobs is tricky but the sentiment is good (the economics are probably bad)

he would be a terrible president...
here are some positions I disagree with him
he does not want to cut gov. spending, is opposed to gay marriage, is for continuing farming subsidies, ht wants to "reward companies that create domestic jobs" whatever that means, he is for national healthcare (what a disaster that would be), wants to continue the war on drugs etc. among many other things... Most young people who want to vote for him, want to just because he relatively young and because he is black, in other words vote for him just because he is "different", when you look at the policies he proposes they are just more of the same crap...

Best candidate is Ron Paul by far...
although I disagree with his stance on some abortion issues, I agree with most of his other issues from taxes, to government spending, his stance on teh war on drugs etc.

this from wikipedia "Paul professes a limited government, libertarian ideology. His regular votes against almost all proposals for government spending, initiatives, or taxes, and his frequent dissents in otherwise unanimous votes have irritated some of his Republican colleagues and have earned him the nickname “Dr. No” (an example being his dissenting vote in the Sarbanes-Oxley Act where he was one of three Representatives voting against it" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Paul#Medical_marijuana

http://www.issues2000.org/TX/Ron_Paul.htm

R.Federer
02-27-2007, 11:54 PM
Maybe the most discouraging part of his whole campaign so far:




Obama getting a cool reception from black America

Story Highlights
• Obama trails Clinton by 15-20 points among black voters
• Some blacks doubt that Obama understands their experience
• Obama, a Democrat from Illinois, is the Senate's only black member
• Polls say blacks are less likely to believe America is ready for a black president

From Candy Crowley and Sasha Johnson
CNN Washington Bureau
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Polls suggest whites are more likely than blacks to say America is ready for a black president, which may be part of why much of the African-American community is cool to the presidential candidacy of Sen. Barack Obama.

The CNN/Opinion Research Corporation poll conducted December 5-7, 2006, found that 65 percent of whites thought America was ready, compared with 54 percent of blacks. The poll's margin of error was plus-or-minus 5 percentage points.

George Wilson, the host of XM Radio's "GW on the Hill," hears doubts about the Illinois Democrat, the only black currently serving in the Senate, all the time from his black audience.

"There is this doubt 'But is America ready for a black president?' " Wilson told CNN. "And the overall consensus from my callers is that America is not ready for an African-American president."

Even at a rally for Obama in South Carolina you hear it:

"I'm being honest," Akyshia Gantt, an African-American, said. "No, I think -- which is bad -- that America is not ready for that, but I don't think they are."

Part of Obama's problem with black voters is that he is viewed by whites as the first black candidate with a legitimate shot at the White House.

"When white America has embraced a candidate -- as they have with Barack Obama -- there is a certain amount of distrust that goes with this among a number of African Americans," Wilson said

Among blacks, Obama's chief rival for the Democrat's 2008 presidential nomination, Sen. Hillary Clinton of New York, polls 15 to 20 points better than Obama and benefits from name recognition and deep Clinton roots in the black community.

Obama suffers, in part, because voters are not familiar with him and there is doubt whether the son of a white woman from Kansas and a black man from Kenya, who was raised in Hawaii and educated in elite schools, can relate to the black American experience.

This has been described as "not black enough," a notion and a phrase that Rep. John Lewis, a Georgia Democrat who is a noted civil rights leader, rejects.

"I don't think he has any of the hang-ups that a lot of people that are victims of segregation and racial discrimination tend to have," Lewis said. "I think he's free of it, and he's running as an American citizen." (Watch Rep. Lewis on Sen. Obama's candidacy)

Forty-two years ago, Lewis was beaten in the voting rights march from Selma to Montgomery, Alabama -- a day that became known as "Bloody Sunday." Now, 43 African-Americans serve on Capitol Hill, and thousands of black politicians serve nationwide.

Time has made Lewis a true believer.

"In the depth of my heart, I believe it is possible for Sen. Obama to become president of the United States," Lewis said. "I think the American people are prepared to take that great leap. They're prepared to lay down the burden of race."

Find this article at:
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/02/27/obama.black.vote/index.html

Peoples
02-28-2007, 12:38 AM
he would be a terrible president...
here are some positions I disagree with him
he does not want to cut gov. spending, is opposed to gay marriage, is for continuing farming subsidies, ht wants to "reward companies that create domestic jobs" whatever that means, he is for national healthcare (what a disaster that would be), wants to continue the war on drugs etc. among many other things... Most young people who want to vote for him, want to just because he relatively young and because he is black, in other words vote for him just because he is "different", when you look at the policies he proposes they are just more of the same crap...

He would be a disaster. He's a populist democrat, may become president for all the wrong reasons.

Duncan Hunter would be a great president. He's a strong leader who stands for his views, he'll sort out border security. With a military background he'll actually have a clue what to do about Iraq. He'll be a great influence on the economy, he supports permanent low taxes. Most importantly as president he will improve the economy a lot by eliminating unfair agreements and making trade with China more equitable for American companies. His only disadvantage is he's not as well known as McCain or Giuliani.

zicofirol
02-28-2007, 04:06 AM
Interesting to know he is opposed to gay marriages. That is an uncommon position for someone affiliated to the Democratic party. But I guess he has some softer position on the issue, like civil unions or so?
National healthcare, well those are all words that the US has heard before, but what are the plans or details to get that done? War on drugs is a good thing, and not outsourcing jobs is tricky but the sentiment is good (the economics are probably bad)

Everyone or virtually everyone is in favor of civil unions, Bush is in favor of civil unions(i think lol) so that is sort of like taking the easy way out, and the positin is not so uncommon in the democratic party, especially among candidates, because they have to share a common "bond" with religious voters...

Companies are forced to outsorced because of competitive pressure, and sometimes that pressure is made worse by US policies, so they help force companies out, still the profits come back to america in form of new investment or money for stockholders (when the outsourcing is successful)

The War on drugs is terrible, really bad, it completely misses its target (stop drug use) and just creates a black market and fills the pockets of gangs and cartels with money, click on the link in my signature Law Enforcement Against Prohibition, its a you tube video, very intersting, or just click here lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LayaGk0TMDc

He means thatther will be rewards for companies who make more jobs in the US/ bring them back instead of sending them to India (like AOL does) or any other country that outsources.
yeah I know, why should the US reward or punish companies for where they move "jobs" to, they have no obligation to keep jobs in the US, but even worse I dotn like the idea of the government handing out favors or rewards to any companies, definite conflict of interest, off course this already happens way to much....

Jim Jones
02-28-2007, 01:53 PM
How does it even matter whether Obama was born and raised Muslim or Catholic, if he is not practising either?

His fathers (both biological and step) are Muslim, and he did attend a predominantly Muslim school in Indonesia. Detractors will say it was actually a Madrasa. His mother's family was Catholic, but he says in his book that the family was quite atheistic.

Actually Obama is a practising Christian and I don't buy that his dad (or step dad) were atheists. If so then they would not have sent him to a muslim school. By the way I believe that any religious muslim school is referred to as a madrassa and not just the fanatic ones. Obviously the one Obama went to had nothing to do with some of the ones in Pakistan.

Also many people care whether or not he was raised in the muslim religion. They are interested to know.

Final point. The majority of democrats are against gay marriages. So you should not be surprised that Obama is one of them. I think Hilary also is against gay marriages. Remember her husband had the don't ask don't tell policy for the military when he was President.

R.Federer
02-28-2007, 06:48 PM
Also many people care whether or not he was raised in the muslim religion. They are interested to know.
I think it's okay to want to know these type of things-- what is his religion, what race woman has he married, so long as people understand that such lifestyle choices should not influence their vote if those choices don't affect his policies. If he was a born again Christian espousing those beliefs, then as a voting member of the U.S., I would let that affect my vote since it would likely bear upon his pro-life or pro-choice stand.

But as a non-practising Catholic or Muslim, the religion he was born into I don't think should be relevant (except as just irrelevant information).

R.Federer
02-28-2007, 06:52 PM
Final point. The majority of democrats are against gay marriages. So you should not be surprised that Obama is one of them. I think Hilary also is against gay marriages. Remember her husband had the don't ask don't tell policy for the military when he was President.

It was my impression that Obama was a left of center candidate, just going with his public stance on some issues (including the war). The Clintons, well certainly WJ, he was a centrist and took that approach in a lot of his policies. So without previously hearing about it, I just had a judgement that Obama would be pro- gay marriage. Bush yes, he takes a civil union stand on this but it is my impression that it is in part deferrment to Cheney, who himself I guess might be influenced by his daughter.

soraya
03-03-2007, 05:28 AM
My husband took a constituional law class taught by Obama when he was teaching at the University of Chicago Law School for the 1999-2000 school year. He really enjoyed it and said it was a popular class. I remember looking through the UofC law face book and wondering who the cute professor was. Yes- I am shallow.

Was Barack actually Muslin? I always thought that he just farted around with it a little in his younger days but never was converted to Islam, etc. I could be wrong...

Apparently his dad from Kenya was born and raised Muslim, thus the name Baraka which means charity in Swahili and Arabic also. He attended at some point a Madrasa in Malasya or Indonesia? (this bit I know thanks to jon stewart, the daily show) by the way, Madrasa just means "school" in Arabic and Jon was making fun of fox news about this issue. When he became Christian or if he is still a Muslim in the closet does not bear any importance to me. America is changing in many ways and Barack may be the answer.