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Federer tiebreak record

Feketepuss
02-26-2007, 04:02 PM
Federer has just won his 15th consecutive tiebreak. Doesn't Sampras hold the record at 18?

Pretty impressive statistic I think.

Sjengster
02-26-2007, 04:04 PM
Sampras' record is 16. It's all in Voo de Mar's comprehensive tiebreak threads in the Stats forum.

marcRD
02-26-2007, 07:03 PM
Federer already has a greater tiebreak statistics than Sampras (64.4% against 62.8 I think), which means he has the greatest stats in tiebreaks of all time. Another record to remember for stat lovers.

stebs
02-26-2007, 07:05 PM
Federer already has a greater tiebreak statistics than Sampras (64.4% against 62.8 I think), which means he has the greatest stats in tiebreaks of all time. Another record to remember for stat lovers.

His career may be young but when I made made a breaker stat page for the top 50 a few months back Djokovic had better TB stats than anyone else on tour.

R.Federer
02-26-2007, 07:08 PM
Federer already has a greater tiebreak statistics than Sampras (64.4% against 62.8 I think), which means he has the greatest stats in tiebreaks of all time. Another record to remember for stat lovers.

Is this computed over all tiebreaks played in a person's career? Then Federer's can change before he retires and so can't call it best yet. It can change even before the end of the clay season and become less than Sampras's.

However, if anyone has best year round TB stats, I would like to know who holds that.

stebs
02-26-2007, 07:26 PM
Is this computed over all tiebreaks played in a person's career? Then Federer's can change before he retires and so can't call it best yet. It can change even before the end of the clay season and become less than Sampras's.

However, if anyone has best year round TB stats, I would like to know who holds that.

I have made a few threads about this and also a few very detailed posts in the Federer '06 vs Sampras 96 thread. They include the best years. The players at the top of the list for best year were Federer, Sampras, Lendl, Escude and possibly Borg. I treid searching it to find for you but my search wasn't working. I can tell you that it is fairly near the end of the thread but not VERY recent.

R.Federer
02-26-2007, 07:32 PM
I have made a few threads about this and also a few very detailed posts in the Federer '06 vs Sampras 96 thread. They include the best years. The players at the top of the list for best year were Federer, Sampras, Lendl, Escude and possibly Borg. I treid searching it to find for you but my search wasn't working. I can tell you that it is fairly near the end of the thread but not VERY recent.

Thank you Stebs. I will try to look at it later if I can search it out. Although, that Sampras 96 Federer 06 thread does seem to come up again every fortnight so I may not need to search it out.

Apemant
02-26-2007, 07:38 PM
Is this computed over all tiebreaks played in a person's career? Then Federer's can change before he retires and so can't call it best yet. It can change even before the end of the clay season and become less than Sampras's.

However, if anyone has best year round TB stats, I would like to know who holds that.

Someone already asked you, but I forgot which thread was that and the search doesn't work for some reason:

Do you have a big version of that pic in your avatar? :D

R.Federer
02-26-2007, 07:50 PM
Someone already asked you, but I forgot which thread was that and the search doesn't work for some reason:

Do you have a big version of that pic in your avatar? :D

Yes, the big picture is on Federer forum , thread called "Congratulations Roger for breaking the record....", page 1 if I am not mistaken. Also, it is posted by Mirkaland

If you don't find it ask me again and I'll post here the big version.

NYCtennisfan
02-26-2007, 07:52 PM
His ability to dominate his serve point with the serve+FH+net or stellar defense when needed along with his ability to put all serves into play allow him to win all of these TB's. It's amazing really.

Apemant
02-26-2007, 08:11 PM
Yes, the big picture is on Federer forum , thread called "Congratulations Roger for breaking the record....", page 1 if I am not mistaken. Also, it is posted by Mirkaland

If you don't find it ask me again and I'll post here the big version.

Found it... thankee :)

R.Federer
02-26-2007, 08:23 PM
His ability to dominate his serve point with the serve+FH+net or stellar defense when needed along with his ability to put all serves into play allow him to win all of these TB's. It's amazing really.

What would you say explains Escude's TB record?

stebs
02-26-2007, 08:36 PM
His ability to dominate his serve point with the serve+FH+net or stellar defense when needed along with his ability to put all serves into play allow him to win all of these TB's. It's amazing really.

Another funny thing is actually thinking about the record when not in cotrast with other players. If I didn't have access to Fed's TB record I would actually guess it was higher than what it is. 64% is obviously incredible when you look at it in comparison to everyone else but as a stand alone figure it doesn't sound that impressive. Less than 7 out of 10 breakers.

R.Federer
02-26-2007, 08:43 PM
Another funny thing is actually thinking about the record when not in cotrast with other players. If I didn't have access to Fed's TB record I would actually guess it was higher than what it is. 64% is obviously incredible when you look at it in comparison to everyone else but as a stand alone figure it doesn't sound that impressive. Less than 7 out of 10 breakers.

Yes, the average is pulled down by the early years when his record was quite ordinary. I bet it is pretty good if you condition on just the years he was #1.

Since 2000, want to guess what surface his worst TB record is on?

marcRD
02-26-2007, 09:11 PM
His tiebreak record before he started dominating was not very good, since then he has won 86 out of 116, which is almost 3 out of 4. If he keeps this up I think he will end up with a tiebreak statistics +70%, I certanly dont think he will end with a tiebreak stats worse than he has right now, players just get better in tiebreaks as they gain experience.

R.Federer
02-26-2007, 09:27 PM
His tiebreak record before he started dominating was not very good, since then he has won 86 out of 116, which is almost 3 out of 4. If he keeps this up I think he will end up with a tiebreak statistics +70%, I certanly dont think he will end with a tiebreak stats worse than he has right now, players just get better in tiebreaks as they gain experience.

It is certainly possible. But this might be something specific to Federer. In general, I don't think players' experience makes their tiebreak records necessarily improve over time. I would imagine that Sampras and Agassi's tiebreak records worsened from their best stats by the time they respectively retired. Take Hewitt for another example. I think his tiebreak record has worsened in the last 2 years relative to what it used to be. Perhaps roddick as well.

marcRD
02-26-2007, 09:37 PM
It is certainly possible. But this might be something specific to Federer. In general, I don't think players' experience makes their tiebreak records necessarily improve over time. I would imagine that Sampras and Agassi's tiebreak records worsened from their best stats by the time they respectively retired. Take Hewitt for another example. I think his tiebreak record has worsened in the last 2 years relative to what it used to be. Perhaps roddick as well.

Sampras tiebreak stats when he was Federers age was 60% which is less than the 62.8% he ended up with. Agassi, I really dont know but I suspect he too improved with age his tiebreak stats.

Hewit is a specific case of someone who was at the height of his career when he was 19-20, so I wouldnt take him as a good example for tiebreak statistics.

R.Federer
02-26-2007, 09:51 PM
Sampras tiebreak stats when he was Federers age was 60% which is less than the 62.8% he ended up with. Agassi, I really dont know but I suspect he too improved with age his tiebreak stats.

Hewit is a specific case of someone who was at the height of his career when he was 19-20, so I wouldnt take him as a good example for tiebreak statistics.

Thanks, I did not know that about Sampras's tiebreak statistics. The 60% -- is it for the year he was 25, or is it his professional career average at 25?

It is not possible in my opinion, that players' tiebreak records improve over time, because then you would have the obvious pattern that older players win the majority of tiebreaks against the younger players, and this is certainly not true. There has to be players whose tiebreaks decline over time. I don't know if I can dig up Agassi's tiebreak records, but I'll see if someone I know has it.

DrJules
02-26-2007, 10:11 PM
Just for info from another thread.

At the end of 2006


....................................(W-L)...................Percentage

1 - Sampras, Pete........... (328-194)............. 62.83
2 - Ivanisevic, Goran........ (276-207)............ 57.14
3 - Rusedski, Greg........... (256-204)............. 55.65
4 - Edberg, Stefan........... (249-166)............ 60.00
5 - Lendl, Ivan................ (241-158)............ 60.40
6 - Becker, Boris.............. (241-163)............ 59.80
7 - Kafelnikov, Yevgeny.... (217-170)............ 56.07
8 - Agassi, Andre............. (206-160)............ 56.28
9 - Rosset, Marc.............. (203-154)............ 56.86
10 - Moya, Carlos............. (192-142)............ 57.48
11 - Martin, Todd............. (192-149)............ 56.30
12 - Courier, Jim.............. (185-130)............ 60.65
13 - Federer, Roger......... (184-104)............ 63.88 -> the best percentage result of active player
14 - Gomez, Andres......... (181-105)............ 63.28 -> the best percentage result of retired player
15 - McEnroe, John......... (181-111)............ 61.98
16 - Ferreira, Wayne....... (178-176)............ 50.28
17 - Connors, Jimmy....... (176-123)............ 58.86
18 - Safin, Marat............ (173-136)............ 55.98
19 - Hlasek, Jakob.......... (173-165)............ 51.18
20 - Henman, Tim........... (172-146)............ 54.08
21 - Krajicek, Richard...... (172-164)............ 51.19
22 - Stich, Michael......... (167-116)............ 59.01
23 - Muster, Thomas....... (166-112)............ 59.71
24 - Philippussis, Mark..... (164-148)............ 51.57
25 - Pioline, Cedric.......... (160-139)............ 53.51
26 - Roddick, Andy......... (157-103)............ 60.38
27 - Chang, Michael........ (154-156)............ 49.67
28 - Enqvist, Thomas...... (152-157)............ 49.19
29 - Forget, Guy............ (151-156)............ 49.18
30 - Gilbert, Brad............ (146-108)............ 57.48
31 - Tanner, Roscoe....... (145-106)............ 57.76
32 - Curren, Kevin.......... (145-140)............ 50.87
32 - Rafter, Patrick......... (144-122)............ 54.13
33 - Noah, Yannick......... (143-122)............ 53.96
34 - Korda, Petr............. (139-118)............ 54.08
35 - Johansson, Thomas.. (139-138)............ 50.18
36 - Santoro, Fabrice...... (135-118)............ 53.35
37 - Kuerten, Gustavo..... (134-134)............ 50.00
38 - Corretja, Alex.......... (133-128)............ 50.95
39 - Bruguera, Sergi........ (129-93)............ 58.10
40 - Haas, Tommy.......... (129-105)............ 55.12
__________________

R.Federer
02-26-2007, 10:14 PM
Wow, Andres Gomez with a better record than Sampras. Could not have expected that. Thank you for the statistics Dr Jules

kobulingam
02-26-2007, 10:21 PM
Another funny thing is actually thinking about the record when not in cotrast with other players. If I didn't have access to Fed's TB record I would actually guess it was higher than what it is. 64% is obviously incredible when you look at it in comparison to everyone else but as a stand alone figure it doesn't sound that impressive. Less than 7 out of 10 breakers.

Baby Fed lost a lot of TBs.

Voo de Mar
02-26-2007, 10:29 PM
Sampras' record - 16:

2000
1-2) Dent 7-6(3) 7-6(3)
3) Damm 7-6(3) 7-5 6-4
4-5) Calleri 7-6(5) 7-6(3) 6-3
6) H.T.Lee 7-6(4) 6-2 6-4
7) Krajicek 4-6 7-6(6) 6-4 6-2
8-9) Hewitt 7-6(7) 6-4 7-6(5)
10) Corretja 7-6(2) 7-5
11) Kuerten 7-6(5) 3-6 4-6
2001
12-13) Kucera 7-6(5) 3-6 6-4 7-6(3)
14-15) Ulihrach 7-6(5) 7-6(5) 4-6 7-5
16) Martin 7-6(2) 3-6 4-6 4-6

End of record: Woodruff 6-7(4) 2-6

--------------------------------------------
Federer - 15:

2006
1-2) Troicki 7-6(2) 7-6(3)
3) Suzuki 4-6 7-5 7-6(3)
4-5) Soderling 7-6(5) 7-6(8)
6) Ginepri 6-3 7-6(4)
7) Ferrer 6-3 7-6(14)
8) Srichaphan 6-4 3-6 7-6(5)
9) Gonzalez 6-3 6-2 7-6(3)
10) Roddick 4-6 7-6(8) 6-4
11) Ljubicic 7-6(2) 6-4
2007
12) Youzhny 6-3 6-3 7-6(5)
13) Robredo 6-3 7-6(2) 7-5
14) Gonzalez 7-6(2) 6-4 6-4
15) Pless 7-6(2) 3-6 6-3

marcRD
02-26-2007, 10:30 PM
Thanks, I did not know that about Sampras's tiebreak statistics. The 60% -- is it for the year he was 25, or is it his professional career average at 25?

It is not possible in my opinion, that players' tiebreak records improve over time, because then you would have the obvious pattern that older players win the majority of tiebreaks against the younger players, and this is certainly not true. There has to be players whose tiebreaks decline over time. I don't know if I can dig up Agassi's tiebreak records, but I'll see if someone I know has it.

60% was for Sampras whole career at 25.

The thing about tiebreaks is that your stats are horrible when you are young and when you hit your peak you improve it and then when you get older you may fall a little, but your tiebreak stats is still good enought to improve the stats overall.

If Federer would fall from 75% to 70% when he gets older it will still be enought to improve your stats.

In Sampras case he actualy became a better tiebreak player with age as it was often his only way to win sets.

Between 93-97 which were his best years his tiebreak stats was only around 59%

Between 98-2002 his tiebreak stats was 70.9%!

R.Federer
02-26-2007, 10:36 PM
That's incredible, about the 59% for Sampras in 93-98. Could not have imagined that! Thanks for that.
I wonder, are they perhaps playing fewer tiebreakers when they get older.

60% was for Sampras whole career at 25.

The thing about tiebreaks is that your stats are horrible when you are young and when you hit your peak you improve it and then when you get older you may fall a little, but your tiebreak stats is still good enought to improve the stats overall.

If Federer would fall from 75% to 70% when he gets older it will still be enought to improve your stats.

In Sampras case he actualy became a better tiebreak player with age as it was often his only way to win sets.

Between 93-97 which were his best years his tiebreak stats was only around 59%

Between 98-2002 his tiebreak stats was 70.9%!

marcRD
02-26-2007, 10:46 PM
That's incredible, about the 59% for Sampras in 93-98. Could not have imagined that! Thanks for that.
I wonder, are they perhaps playing fewer tiebreakers when they get older.

Sampras 93-97 played 195 tiebreaks while Sampras 98-2002 played 155 tiebreaks. However younger Sampras played 390 matches compared to Sampras 98-2002 who played 260 matches.

Voo de Mar
02-26-2007, 10:55 PM
Sampras 93-97 played 195 tiebreaks while Sampras 98-2002 played 155 tiebreaks. However younger Sampras played 390 matches compared to Sampras 98-2002 who played 260 matches.

Sampras won definitely the most tie-breaks in tennis history and one thing is very interesting: his longest winning tie-break was only 12:10 (Courier).
Federer has won so far: 12:10 (Draper), 13:11 (Nalbandian) 14:12 (Verkerk), 16:14 (Ferrer), 20:18 (Safin).

However in Internet haven't tie-breaks of Sampras in years 1988-1990 :( I've got only 19 of 62 his tie-breaks from this period :rolleyes:

Greg-Pete fan
02-27-2007, 09:11 AM
Sampras won definitely the most tie-breaks in tennis history and one thing is very interesting: his longest winning tie-break was only 12:10 (Courier).
Federer has won so far: 12:10 (Draper), 13:11 (Nalbandian) 14:12 (Verkerk), 16:14 (Ferrer), 20:18 (Safin).

However in Internet haven't tie-breaks of Sampras in years 1988-1990 :( I've got only 19 of 62 his tie-breaks from this period :rolleyes:

Can you write these Sampras tiebreaks from 1988 to 1990?

I have only 5 tiebreaks of Pete from 1988 to 1990:

AO 1990 vs Mayotte 7-6(8-6),6-7(5-7),4-6,7-5,12-10
Philadelphia 1990 vs Gomez 7-6(7-4),7-5,6-2
Wimbledon 1990 vs Van Rensburg 6-7(4-7),5-7,6-7(3-7)
U.S. Open 1990 vs Lendl 6-4,7-6(7-4),3-6,4-6,6-2
Paris-indoor 1990 vs Steeb 7-6(10-8),3-6,7-6(7-2)


This tiebreak 12:10 took place in Miami 1994 during Sampras-Courier semifinal:)

Feketepuss
02-27-2007, 10:09 AM
What makes Federer's statistic slightly surprising is that if he is playing well, he normally breaks once or twice per set whoever he's playing. He has to be a little off his game for things to boil down to a tie-break. So I'm surprised he doesn't lose more because they only occur when he's vulnerable. I'm sure Sampras was less successful in his peak year (1993-97) for the same reason.

Voo de Mar
02-27-2007, 01:14 PM
Can you write these Sampras tiebreaks from 1988 to 1990?



I'm going to send you private.

Greg-Pete fan
02-27-2007, 03:37 PM
As I remember Sampras lost tiebreak 11-13 (against Forget, Stockholm 1992 semifinal).

Greg-Pete fan
02-27-2007, 03:38 PM
Agassi won tiebreak 14-12 (against Moya, Cincinnati 2004 QF) and 13-11 against Prinosil (AO 2001).

Voo de Mar
02-27-2007, 03:46 PM
As I remember Sampras lost tiebreak 11-13 (against Forget, Stockholm 1991 semifinal).

Also 10-12 & 11-13 to Becker (Masters 1996). For me it is very strange that Sampras never played a tie-break with at least 26 points.

Fedex
02-27-2007, 07:15 PM
Another funny thing is actually thinking about the record when not in cotrast with other players. If I didn't have access to Fed's TB record I would actually guess it was higher than what it is. 64% is obviously incredible when you look at it in comparison to everyone else but as a stand alone figure it doesn't sound that impressive. Less than 7 out of 10 breakers.
Well, then I guess a great hall of fame baseball hitter isn't really impressive either, given the fact that he's only successful 3 times out of 10. And only the best hitters have that kind of success, most are somewhere between 2.5 and 3 of 10.
I do think its really tough to win a high percentage of tiebreakers though, because you cant afford any letdowns; a couple of loose errors can cost you a tiebreak.

Voo de Mar
03-01-2007, 03:46 PM
Federer lost at the moment tie-break to Djokovic (very good TB player) after wasting a match point. So, Federer won't equal Sampras' record "the most tie-breaks won in a row" :D

adee-gee
03-01-2007, 03:47 PM
Wasted 2 match points actually :sport:

LocoPorElTenis
03-01-2007, 03:50 PM
This is one record Sampras might keep for a while.

tangerine_dream
03-01-2007, 03:52 PM
Wow, Djokovic ended Roger's TB record. :eek:

Voo de Mar
03-01-2007, 03:53 PM
Wasted 2 match points actually :sport:

Thanks :yeah: I saw on a "scoreboard" 5:3 and then 6:5...

Sunset of Age
03-01-2007, 04:03 PM
Yep. Roger's having a tough match.

Byrd
03-01-2007, 04:04 PM
Djokovic got a bit lucky with the last shot of the tb but federer should of taken that.

Or Levy
03-01-2007, 04:14 PM
This match match was suppose to be FUN!!

I'm not having fun yet.

Edit: Okay, maybe it's getting a little bit fun now.