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Federer def. Pless 76(2) 36 63

JustmeUK
02-26-2007, 04:36 PM
A little rusty and Pless played well enough though slipped up on a few important points. Roger will be please to go through and he'll be sharper next match for sure.

Some of Roger's shots today were just landing too short and even being double digits in aces, he was missing too many first serves at key moments. Did enough to win though. 33 unforced errors from Roger!!

Deathless Mortal
02-26-2007, 04:37 PM
Who cares he lost a set. A win is a win.

LLeytonRules
02-26-2007, 04:40 PM
I expected him to be rusty, he wont be in his next match.

Shrinking Violet
02-26-2007, 04:41 PM
You could tell he's not played in a while. He was a little fortunate in the game he broke in the third - Pless missed an easy shot to take it to deuce.

Fed didn't play very well yet still got the win - and that is why he is the best player in the world.

gusman890
02-26-2007, 04:42 PM
not too bad

losing sets isnt as bad as losing matches :)

victory1
02-26-2007, 04:45 PM
I expect that since he has not played since AO. Pless was the lucky one, Fed only faced 1 BP and Pless was able to convert. Pless faced 7 and Roger only converted 1!

guga2120
02-26-2007, 04:45 PM
no big deal he does sometimes lose sets early in tournaments, just a practice session for him, just getting his swings ready for later in the tournament.

Feketepuss
02-26-2007, 04:46 PM
Very rusty ground strokes but he served extremely well I thought. Pretty standard Federer first round - "Federer struggles" will be the headlines but frankly, he never looked like losing. Pless gave a pretty good account of himself as well - very strong serve and Federer struggled to break him and that was mostly due to Pless rather than the post-AO cobwebs.

Apemant
02-26-2007, 04:47 PM
OMG what a brave performance by Pless! :eek: :eek:

Didn't make it easy for Fed one bit.. served like a maniac and was actually going for winners, trying to be aggressive, coming to the net on Fed's 2nd serves :eek: what a spirit

I was scared shitless, this is exactly the kind of danger Federer is most vulnerable to - a guy who he never played before, doesn't know his weak sides, has no clue what kind of gameplan to pull out.. and the guy is especially fired up, playing against a #1 with nothing to lose as everyone expects Fed to win easily. When he won a set he seemed even more relaxed, knowing he didn't embarrass himself one bit, quite the contrary. Hats off.. the funny thing is, just yesterday I watched that video of him smashing his racquet to little pieces after he lost in 1st round of Dallas challenger :devil:

JackPumpkinHead
02-26-2007, 04:50 PM
even when fed lost the second set he was still ahead for that set in total points won. Just an unluck break.


On to next round.

Sunset of Age
02-26-2007, 04:50 PM
As expected a Rusty Fed in his first post-AO match... apparently still with his brain on the Dubai beach in that second set! :eek:

Fourth game, third set: Fed decides 'Partytime is over' :devil:, and does his job as he should do. I expect Feds rustiness to be over for the next match.

Kudos to Pless, BTW! :worship:
Not too many players can say they've won a set from Feds lately :D.
Roger had kind words for his opponent in the post-match interview: 'good serve, a tough opponent'. Unfortunately I didn't get much of the rest of the interview, due to endless buffering of the livestream...
At least I got to see this match.

rosamunda
02-26-2007, 04:52 PM
OMG what a brave performance by Pless! :eek: :eek:

Didn't make it easy for Fed one bit.. served like a maniac and was actually going for winners, trying to be aggressive, coming to the net on Fed's 2nd serves :eek: what a spirit

I was scared shitless, this is exactly the kind of danger Federer is most vulnerable to - a guy who he never played before, doesn't know his weak sides, has no clue what kind of gameplan to pull out.. and the guy is especially fired up, playing against a #1 with nothing to lose as everyone expects Fed to win easily. When he won a set he seemed even more relaxed, knowing he didn't embarrass himself one bit, quite the contrary. Hats off.. the funny thing is, just yesterday I watched that video of him smashing his racquet to little pieces after he lost in 1st round of Dallas challenger :devil:


I agree - I actually thought he was in real danger of losing. Pless really got into a rhythm and Fed had awful trouble reading his serve. I was very impressed with Pless - well done to him.

Voo de Mar
02-26-2007, 04:53 PM
It reminds me the situation in Dubai 2005. Federer in the first round beat Minar 6-7 6-3 7-6 and then won the whole thing.
This is 15th winning tie-break in a row for Roger. It's only one TB spit to equal Sampras' record of 16 consecutive tie-breaks.

RogiFan88
02-26-2007, 04:54 PM
usual rusty first perf by Rogi after a long break but he won and that's all that matters; Pless had nothing to lose and played well to give Rogi a workout ;)

GlennMirnyi
02-26-2007, 04:54 PM
Expected win by Federer.

mangoes
02-26-2007, 04:55 PM
His early matches in Dubai are usually rusty so that was expected. Very happy Roger won.

TroilusCriseyde
02-26-2007, 04:55 PM
oh my Federer lost a set to Pless? :eek:

Does anyone know how much money is Dubai paying Federer in appearance fees?

rafagirlno1
02-26-2007, 04:59 PM
Expected win by Federer.


pless was scholling fed in the 2nd set and roger got lucky in the third , if by chance he reaches final he would get schooled by nadal

:wavey:

Sunset of Age
02-26-2007, 05:06 PM
pless was scholling fed in the 2nd set and roger got lucky in the third , if by chance he reaches final he would get schooled by nadal


:retard: :tape: :help:

guga2120
02-26-2007, 05:08 PM
pless was scholling fed in the 2nd set and roger got lucky in the third , if by chance he reaches final he would get schooled by nadal

:wavey:

lets let him get through Marcos before start talking about Federer.

JustmeUK
02-26-2007, 05:09 PM
pless was scholling fed in the 2nd set and roger got lucky in the third , if by chance he reaches final he would get schooled by nadal

:wavey:

let's see :) Fed has made the final of every tournament since Roland Garros except for one. Rafa has made one final since RG in that time (nice symmetry there don't you think?)

now here's the really obvious question seeing as u appear to be completely blind. what makes you think Rafa will make the final? :haha:

dorkino
02-26-2007, 05:09 PM
Good for a start Fedo.

And Credits to Pless who really had rock like stability both mentally and physically especially in those two first sets. Hope to see more of him in other tourneys.

Stevens Point
02-26-2007, 05:10 PM
It reminds me the situation in Dubai 2005. Federer in the first round beat Minar 6-7 6-3 7-6 and then won the whole thing.


Dubai 2005 2nd round, Roger's opponent (Ferrero) had a match point or two and Roger eventually won.. Hopefully it will be easier for Rog this time...

RonE
02-26-2007, 05:11 PM
Sweeeet :yeah:

A win is a win and the rust has hopefully been brushed off and onwards to round 2.

Roger The Great
02-26-2007, 05:12 PM
pless was scholling fed in the 2nd set and roger got lucky in the third , if by chance he reaches final he would get schooled by nadal

:wavey:

:retard: Indeed.

scarecrows
02-26-2007, 05:12 PM
pless was scholling fed in the 2nd set and roger got lucky in the third , if by chance he reaches final he would get schooled by nadal

:wavey:

ladies and gentlemen

may I introduce you to the girlish version of RFK

Skyward
02-26-2007, 05:12 PM
pless was scholling fed in the 2nd set and roger got lucky in the third , if by chance he reaches final he would get schooled by nadal

:wavey:

:rolls: :rolls:

Different usernames, the same boring bs.

MTF trolls have been losing their creativity lately.

sondraj06
02-26-2007, 05:13 PM
The only thing that i think sucks about this, is that fed didn't have a tougher draw. Let him have had Rafa's draw in the first round and that rust might have cost Fed the game. Go Rafa, you can't afford to be rusty, not even for a second. Pays to be number 1

rafagirlno1
02-26-2007, 05:17 PM
The only thing that i think sucks about this, is that fed didn't have a tougher draw. Let him have had Rafa's draw in the first round and that rust might have cost Fed the game. Go Rafa, you can't afford to be rusty, not even for a second. Pays to be number 1


yes indeed so unfair for rafa for getting so tough draw . but i have confidence in him and he will win this tournament without dropping a set .

Beforehand
02-26-2007, 05:20 PM
The only thing that i think sucks about this, is that fed didn't have a tougher draw. Let him have had Rafa's draw in the first round and that rust might have cost Fed the game. Go Rafa, you can't afford to be rusty, not even for a second. Pays to be number 1
Being #1 doesn't make your draw any safer than being #2....

Roger The Great
02-26-2007, 05:21 PM
The only thing that i think sucks about this, is that fed didn't have a tougher draw. Let him have had Rafa's draw in the first round and that rust might have cost Fed the game. Go Rafa, you can't afford to be rusty, not even for a second. Pays to be number 1

Oh. My. God. What is it with people around here bitching about this player's draw vs. that player's at just about every tournament? The fact is that every player gets their fair share of good and bad draws throughout the year. I wish people would stop bitching about them and simply trust that their player is good enough to get through whatever draw they've been given. :shrug:

sondraj06
02-26-2007, 05:22 PM
Being #1 doesn't make your draw any safer than being #2....

well before this draw I probably would have agreed with you, but now ahhh.....

RonE
02-26-2007, 05:22 PM
Oh. My. God. What is it with people around here bitching about this player's draw vs. that player's at just about every tournament? The fact is that every player gets their fair share of good and bad draws throughout the year. I wish people would stop bitching about them and simply trust that their player is good enough to get through whatever draw they've been given. :shrug:

Especially since Rafa has had so many relatively easy draws in the big tournaments i.e. Slams and Master Series. One tough draw in a smaller tourney and it's the end of the world...

OSmeone
02-26-2007, 05:22 PM
let's see :) Fed has made the final of every tournament since Roland Garros except for one. Rafa has made one final since RG in that time (nice symmetry there don't you think?)

now here's the really obvious question seeing as u appear to be completely blind. what makes you think Rafa will make the final? :haha:

Which final did Nadal make after RG?

Roger The Great
02-26-2007, 05:24 PM
Which final did Nadal make after RG?

Wimbledon.

Sunset of Age
02-26-2007, 05:25 PM
Which final did Nadal make after RG?

Wimbledon, dear. Quite an achievement I daresay. ;)

JustmeUK
02-26-2007, 05:25 PM
Which final did Nadal make after RG?

well that was Wimbledon. (guess you haven't been on MTF long as the Rafa-tards are always bringing this one up!)

sondraj06
02-26-2007, 05:25 PM
Oh. My. God. What is it with people around here bitching about this player's draw vs. that player's at just about every tournament? The fact is that every player gets their fair share of good and bad draws throughout the year. I wish people would stop bitching about them and simply trust that their player is good enough to get through whatever draw they've been given. :shrug:

who is people are you including me in that people. Well if you read my post didn't once bitch about it, if I wanted to bitch about I could in fact do that, But I reserve my bitching about players draws for oh wait I don't, but ask Glenn or some other mtf veterans I'm sure they can give you an ear full. I said that if he would have had a harder draw like maybe baggy in his first match then maybe that might have cost him the game. And have you seen the way Rafa's been playing lately, he can't afford to be rusty at all at any stage of this tournament, that's a fact.

Voo de Mar
02-26-2007, 05:26 PM
Dubai 2005 2nd round, Roger's opponent (Ferrero) had a match point or two and Roger eventually won.. Hopefully it will be easier for Rog this time...

Two MP, it was 6:4 in a tie-break and Roger won four points in a row :) Earlier in that match Ferrero was 6-4, 2:0 (30-0) up on Federer's serve.

sondraj06
02-26-2007, 05:26 PM
Especially since Rafa has had so many relatively easy draws in the big tournaments i.e. Slams and Master Series. One tough draw in a smaller tourney and it's the end of the world...

Rafa does not have easy draws what matches are you watching

kobulingam
02-26-2007, 05:27 PM
The big difference was Roger didn't have his amazing ROS. He was playing with Roddick ROS.

This always happens after a long break. His ROS takes a match or two to ramp up again.

Roger The Great
02-26-2007, 05:28 PM
Let him have had Rafa's draw in the first round and that rust might have cost Fed the game... Pays to be number 1

If that's not bitching about Fed's draw vs. Rafa's, I don't know what is.

mickymouse
02-26-2007, 05:29 PM
Rafa does not have easy draws what matches are you watching
Did you think he made Wimbledon Finals beating the likes of Gasquet, Berdych, Ancic, Blake and Roddick?

RonE
02-26-2007, 05:30 PM
Rafa does not have easy draws what matches are you watching

Forgot about last year's Wimbledon draw?

Last year's U.S Open was easy for him on paper- all the big hitters a la Blake and Berdych were on the other side of the draw and Youzhny played out of this world but actually had a losing record against Nadal so when the draw was announced it didn't look too bad for him.

At Shanghai apart from Blake he had the easier section than Roger.

Even at the australian he really didn't have too many potential minefields up until the quarterfinals.

Getting the drift yet? :)

sondraj06
02-26-2007, 05:30 PM
well that was Wimbledon. (guess you haven't been on MTF long as the Rafa-tards are always bringing this one up!)

Lets not start there, that's an ugly road, with many dangerous turns. But it is an achievement. I mean people can't make up their minds if they want to hate him because he is a pig who is only good at clay, then when he makes it to wimby finals with fed arguable the most important slam of the year, and played great on grass by the way, then it's only that one time and oh lord rafatards jump all over it. Well Fed has beaten Rafa twice one being that wimby final and once after and fed-tards seem to jump all over that so, what's up.

sondraj06
02-26-2007, 05:33 PM
If that's not bitching about Fed's draw vs. Rafa's, I don't know what is.


No pumpkin that's fact, if he would have faced maybe baggy he might not be still in the tournament. I'm sure Murray or Roddick or ancic or anyone in Rafa's half would have loved to face a rusty Roger in the first match of Dubai tournament

Apemant
02-26-2007, 05:33 PM
yes indeed so unfair for rafa for getting so tough draw . but i have confidence in him and he will win this tournament without dropping a set .

:haha: :haha:
:worship: :worship: :worship:

Now admit it.. you are actually a Federer fan and you are having one hell of a time laughing at all the people who take you seriously? :devil:

Am I close? :cool:

mickymouse
02-26-2007, 05:36 PM
No pumpkin that's fact, if he would have faced maybe baggy he might not be still in the tournament. I'm sure Murray or Roddick or ancic or anyone in Rafa's half would have loved to face a rusty Roger in the first match of Dubai tournament

I'm sure all these guys are cursing their luck for being in Nadal's half instead of Federer's.

sondraj06
02-26-2007, 05:36 PM
:haha: :haha:
:worship: :worship: :worship:

Now admit it.. you are actually a Federer fan and you are having one hell of a time laughing at all the people who take you seriously? :devil:

Am I close? :cool:

well people can have hope. Good lord when I have kids remind me not to bring them around you all, you'd tell a kid there was no santa just to watch them cry...cruel:baby: people

Roger The Great
02-26-2007, 05:38 PM
I'm sure all these guys are cursing their luck for being in Nadal's half instead of Federer's.

:lol:

Time to go to work. Enjoy the flaming, folks.

scarecrows
02-26-2007, 05:39 PM
...but ask Glenn or some other mtf veterans I'm sure they can give you an ear full. .

Glenn a mtf veteran??? :haha:

sondraj06
02-26-2007, 05:39 PM
I'm sure all these guys are cursing their luck for being in Nadal's half instead of Federer's.

Oh all those guys aren't in nadals half just baggy, And if you ask say the likes of andy if he would want to have another go a fed I think he'd say yep, he enough of a fighter. Some one else with not enough glory probably would cower, but not Roddick :mad: argggh

sondraj06
02-26-2007, 05:41 PM
Glenn a mtf veteran??? :haha:

I'm sure he would take the honors. No one thinks more of themselves then good ol Glenn, the independent mouth and authority on all..

RESPECT MY AUTHORIT...I

rafagirlno1
02-26-2007, 05:48 PM
:haha: :haha:
:worship: :worship: :worship:

Now admit it.. you are actually a Federer fan and you are having one hell of a time laughing at all the people who take you seriously? :devil:

Am I close? :cool:

why :confused: i am suposed to like and respect fed just because u and evryone else likes him . i dont like him and i think he is too arrogant number one , always bithces tht he loses to nadal because he is lefthanded and never admits his opponent is better than him.
i like rafa and think he is the best and better than fed .
dont expect everyone should like and bow down to fed :(

GlennMirnyi
02-26-2007, 05:50 PM
pless was scholling fed in the 2nd set and roger got lucky in the third , if by chance he reaches final he would get schooled by nadal

:wavey:

Yeah right, lucky him that Guccione isn't playing.

:retard: :tape: :help:

See, then you want us to respect the rafatards... ;)

Wimbledon, dear. Quite an achievement I daresay. ;)

Luck, pure luck.

JustmeUK
02-26-2007, 05:52 PM
Lets not start there, that's an ugly road, with many dangerous turns. But it is an achievement. I mean people can't make up their minds if they want to hate him because he is a pig who is only good at clay, then when he makes it to wimby finals with fed arguable the most important slam of the year, and played great on grass by the way, then it's only that one time and oh lord rafatards jump all over it. Well Fed has beaten Rafa twice one being that wimby final and once after and fed-tards seem to jump all over that so, what's up.

hmm I can't decide if u're talking in general or if u're accusing me of downplaying Rafa's game for making the final of Wimby. if the latter then I suggest you do a search of what I've said about Rafa's game prior to his incredibly poor run since Wimby. I have pointed out on many occasions that Rafa was a lot more aggressive and accurate with his groundstrokes in the first half of the year compared to the second half. in fact he's never really rediscovered the form of the clay court season last year and part of that is no doubt due to the amazing high his confidence must have been at. watch those games again if you have them (I have). his groundstrokes (and this includes at Wimby) had a zip and it was scary how close he was hitting to the lines instead of generically dumping everything back into the T.

FWIW, I simply don't see him playing as well again until and when he wins a few clay court events this year.

as for Fed fans jumping all over the fact Rafa lost two in a trot, can you not see the difference between the fact that Fed is 4-0 down on clay vs 3-2 up on other surfaces? but then again u're a Rafatard of course so the significance of Fed's victories over Rafa will be overlooked.

GlennMirnyi
02-26-2007, 05:53 PM
why :confused: i am suposed to like and respect fed just because u and evryone else likes him . i dont like him and i think he is too arrogant number one , always bithces tht he loses to nadal because he is lefthanded and never admits his opponent is better than him.
i like rafa and think he is the best and better than fed .
dont expect everyone should like and bow down to fed :(

:lol:

"He is stupid and a bad person". Can you remember who said it?

Who's the sore loser that is always injured when loses? Yeah, that's your "boy".

sondraj06
02-26-2007, 05:53 PM
Yeah right, lucky him that Guccione isn't playing.



See, then you want us to respect the rafatards... ;)

.

Thank you... shit. I'm starting to agree with you more. I don't bash and I don't condemn, I just read and respond

rafagirlno1
02-26-2007, 05:54 PM
Yeah right, lucky him that Guccione isn't playing.



See, then you want us to respect the rafatards... ;)



Luck, pure luck.

nadal was injured and withdrew so guccione didn't beat him but rafa withdrew :wavey:

bokehlicious
02-26-2007, 05:54 PM
why :confused: i am suposed to like and respect fed just because u and evryone else likes him . i dont like him and i think he is too arrogant number one , always bithces tht he loses to nadal because he is lefthanded and never admits his opponent is better than him.
i like rafa and think he is the best and better than fed .
dont expect everyone should like and bow down to fed :(

OMFG :eek: :eek:

:lol:

sondraj06
02-26-2007, 05:58 PM
hmm I can't decide if u're talking in general or if u're accusing me of downplaying Rafa's game for making the final of Wimby. if the latter then I suggest you do a search of what I've said about Rafa's game prior to his incredibly poor run since Wimby. I have pointed out on many occasions that Rafa was a lot more aggressive and accurate with his groundstrokes in the first half of the year compared to the second half. in fact he's never really rediscovered the form of the clay court season last year and part of that is no doubt due to the amazing high his confidence must have been at. watch those games again if you have them (I have). his groundstrokes (and this includes at Wimby) had a zip and it was scary how close he was hitting to the lines instead of generically dumping everything back into the T.

FWIW, I simply don't see him playing as well again until and when he wins a few clay court events this year.

as for Fed fans jumping all over the fact Rafa lost two in a trot, can you not see the difference between the fact that Fed is 4-0 down on clay vs 3-2 up on other surfaces? but then again u're a Rafatard of course so the significance of Fed's victories over Rafa will be overlooked.

Look dipshit.. see people always go there. Your post reads like I'm disagreeing with you some where on you points on rafa's game during wimby. Maybe you should first ask the question before responding to it . Use it, it'll save you a lot of arguments in the future. And as far as fed fans jumping all over the really one lost since wimby, because who didn't expect fed to win, king of grass, it's hypocritical. significance 6-3...when he starts to actually win over rafa then I will acknowledge the significance.

So are you asking me if I see it as significant or are you telling me that I should see it as significant. Because I don't do to well with people telling me how I should feel.

Apemant
02-26-2007, 06:00 PM
well before this draw I probably would have agreed with you, but now ahhh.....

This is not a matter of opinion or agreement, being #1 seed and #2 seed is exactly the same. Any difference is the result of pure chance and not becuase one is #1 and another is #2.

The same way, there is absolutely no difference between seeds #3 and #4, then seeds #5-#8... #9-#16 (TMS) and #17-#32 (GS). Being seed #17 in a GS doesn't guarantee you any better draw than seed #32, so as far as drawing is concerned, its perfectly the same thing.

If you don't understand why, feel free to ask, I'm here to answer any question about such things (if I know the answer of course).

sondraj06
02-26-2007, 06:04 PM
This is not a matter of opinion or agreement, being #1 seed and #2 seed is exactly the same. Any difference is the result of pure chance and not becuase one is #1 and another is #2.

The same way, there is absolutely no difference between seeds #3 and #4, then seeds #5-#8... #9-#16 (TMS) and #17-#32 (GS). Being seed #17 in a GS doesn't guarantee you any better draw than seed #32, so as far as drawing is concerned, its perfectly the same thing.

If you don't understand why, feel free to ask, I'm here to answer any question about such things (if I know the answer of course).


I didn't go into detail because I don't care to, but if you have this thing with converstating with yourself be my guest. My response is still the same


"But now ahhhh"

SLICK
02-26-2007, 06:07 PM
Match report and press conference quotes from Federer and Pless

http://www.inside-tennis.net/index.php?action=news&id=2473

ChinoRios4Ever
02-26-2007, 06:11 PM
never in doubt :p

Apemant
02-26-2007, 06:14 PM
why :confused: i am suposed to like and respect fed just because u and evryone else likes him . i dont like him and i think he is too arrogant number one , always bithces tht he loses to nadal because he is lefthanded and never admits his opponent is better than him.
i like rafa and think he is the best and better than fed .
dont expect everyone should like and bow down to fed :(

You are allowed to dislike whoever you want, in fact, where did you see in my posts that I require everyone to like Fed? So if you happen to dislike him for any reason, that's prefectly fine by me.

And if you are really a little Spanish girl as you sound, I don't mind you being a little delusional, it's normal for your age & patriotic spirit. :hug:

JustmeUK
02-26-2007, 06:14 PM
Look dipshit.. see people always go there. Your post reads like I'm disagreeing with you some where on you points on rafa's game during wimby. Maybe you should first ask the question before responding to it . Use it, it'll save you a lot of arguments in the future. And as far as fed fans jumping all over the really one lost since wimby, because who didn't expect fed to win, king of grass, it's hypocritical. significance 6-3...when he starts to actually win over rafa then I will acknowledge the significance.

So are you asking me if I see it as significant or are you telling me that I should see it as significant. Because I don't do to well with people telling me how I should feel.

no need to post further. your post of course is perfect illustration of the tard u are. rude n of course as I have said always looking to downplay the significance of the 3-2 lead Fed has over Rafa on any surface other than clay. no need to argue - u will see thing in your own rose tinted way and I in mine :).

sondraj06
02-26-2007, 06:15 PM
You are allowed to dislike whoever you want, in fact, where did you see in my posts that I require everyone to like Fed? So if you happen to dislike him for any reason, that's prefectly fine by me.

And if you are really a little Spanish girl as you sound, I don't mind you being a little delusional, it's normal for your age & patriotic spirit. :hug:

Ahh see that was nice, I think were you being sarcastic.

People on mtf are capable of being civil

sondraj06
02-26-2007, 06:19 PM
no need to post further. your post of course is perfect illustration of the tard u are. rude n of course as I have said always looking to downplay the significance of the 3-2 lead Fed has over Rafa on any surface other than clay. no need to argue - u will see thing in your own rose tinted way and I in mine :).

You are not so bright. I don't know how else to say it. If I don't, for whatever reason see the significance of fed 3-2 lead over rafa, one game lead over rafa in all other surfaces, I don't see where I'm the confused one. But 's that's the difference of opinion. So if rafa takes this dubai crown then it will be even, so until fed has a real lead over rafa then I'll start panicking, until then.....

And your sounding more and more like a fedtard, harping on some minor detail of a h2h, lets get into all the exceptions of everyone h2h.

it means something when you look at the statistics going into a tourny that is not clay, but you still have to give the edge to rafa....

R.Federer
02-26-2007, 06:22 PM
Win is a win. Would not be so funny if he lost first round after breaking the Connors record.

SLICK
02-26-2007, 06:23 PM
Federer doesn't believe that either McEnroe or Connors could have got under his skin because he would have dealt with them the way Bjorn Borg always did - with nonchalance. What a class act.

http://www.inside-tennis.net/index.php?action=news&id=2473

Apemant
02-26-2007, 06:24 PM
I didn't go into detail because I don't care to, but if you have this thing with converstating with yourself be my guest. My response is still the same


"But now ahhhh"


I'm sorry, but I'm utterly incapable of guessing what this 'but now ahhh' stands for. Maybe I'm an idiot; but if I really am, then treat me like one and explain to me like to a little baby: what do you actually mean by 'but now ahhh'? Do you perhaps think that this draw somehow resulted from the fact that Fed is #1 and Nadal is #2? Or what?

embellish
02-26-2007, 06:26 PM
Match report and press conference quotes from Federer and Pless

http://www.inside-tennis.net/index.php?action=news&id=2473

:hug: An on-topic post, congratulations! I thought I'd accidently clicked ANOTHER Federer/Nadal thread but it seems they cannot be seperated.

RonE
02-26-2007, 06:30 PM
OMFG :eek: :eek:

:lol:

As I said the assembly lines in the Rafatard factory are working overtime to produce one gem after another...

sondraj06
02-26-2007, 06:32 PM
I'm sorry, but I'm utterly incapable of guessing what this 'but now ahhh' stands for. Maybe I'm an idiot; but if I really am, then treat me like one and explain to me like to a little baby: what do you actually mean by 'but now ahhh'? Do you perhaps think that this draw somehow resulted from the fact that Fed is #1 and Nadal is #2? Or what?

Nope, it seems your trying to drag me into a long drawn out battle over rankings and draws. I don't care enough. If you really want to know how I feel about draws. here goes, like I said on another thread, oh some time ago. I don't get why people complain about draws, people get some that are harder than others, it all depends on how the opponent plays that day. Any one should be happy to get a quote on quote hard draw, because the thing about sports or any championship is, when you win, it's because you know that your the best. It should never be because, well all the best took a break that day. So I feel that all draws are what they are, there a means too get to the end. To face off the best with the best. Like I said before I don't complain or have debates about draws. But other people do. I just think it's pointless.

Castafiore
02-26-2007, 06:33 PM
As I said the assembly lines in the Rafatard factory are working overtime to produce one gem after another...
Don't blame this BS entirely on the Rafatard factory since it takes two to tango.

***
Do you guys really get that much fun out of these bitch fests? I don't care if you're a Rafatard or a Fedtard. This is really too much. I mean, some of it, fine but you're making a tennis conversation impossible because that's too boring and bitching is apparently more funny and each side of this war is putting the blame on the other side. Who are you kidding? Nobody.


I wish that I could actually be on topic but I wasn't able to see this damn match. :(

sondraj06
02-26-2007, 06:35 PM
Don't blame this BS entirely on the Rafatard factory since it takes two to tango.

***
Do you guys really get that much fun out of these bitch fests? I don't care if you're a Rafatard or a Fedtard. This is really too much. I mean, some of it, fine but you're making a tennis conversation impossible and each side of this war is putting the blame on the other side. Who are you kidding? Nobody.


I wish that I could actually be on topic but I wasn't able to see this damn match. :(

I don't but it seems flame wars are inevitably on this board

embellish
02-26-2007, 06:35 PM
Don't blame this BS entirely on the Rafatard factory since it takes two to tango.

***
Do you guys really get that much fun out of these bitch fests? I don't care if you're a Rafatard or a Fedtard. This is really too much. I mean, some of it, fine but you're making a tennis conversation impossible because that's too boring and bitching is apparently more funny and each side of this war is putting the blame on the other side. Who are you kidding? Nobody.


I wish that I could actually be on topic but I wasn't able to see this damn match. :(

:yeah:

I♥PsY@Mus!c
02-26-2007, 06:55 PM
Congrats Pless based on score! :)

GlennMirnyi
02-26-2007, 07:01 PM
nadal was injured and withdrew so guccione didn't beat him but rafa withdrew :wavey:

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/4411/pownedqk2.png (http://imageshack.us)

You've been owned. :D

Apemant
02-26-2007, 07:04 PM
Nope, it seems your trying to drag me into a long drawn out battle over rankings and draws.

But it's nothing like that!

I agree that arguing over who gets more favourable draws is pretty much pointless; but this has nothing to do with that. I only ask if you understand that being #1 and #2 is equivalent while constructing draws. There is absolutely no advantage of being #1 over being #2; and why is that?

Because draws are made pretty much like this (the actual implementation might vary, but the principles must hold):

First, divide the draw into 2 halves, place #1 seed on top of one half and #2 seed at the bottom of the other half.

Then, divide each half into 2 quarters, and randomly place seeds #3 and #4 into the 2 middle quarters (as the top and bottom quarters are taken by seeds #1 and #2). By randomly I mean that #3 might end either in the top half or the bottom half; it's decided by lot.

Then, divide each of the 4 quarter into eighths, and place seeds #5, #6, #7 and #8 into the 4 vacant eighths, again completely randomly; which is why it is no better to be #5 seed than #8 seed; it is the same thing; for example seed #5 might be unlucky and end in #1's quarter, while seed #8 might get #4's quarter, which is obviously advantageous.

Now when you look at the above, it is clear that being #1 gives you absolutely no advantage over #2. It is possible for the #1 to get #3, #5 and #6 in his half, while #2 then receives #4, #7 and #8; of course, it is quite possible for the opposite to happen. Pure chance. The following, however, always holds:

Seeds #1 and #2 can't possibly meet each other before the final.
All seeds #1 - #4 can't possibly meet one another before semifinals.
All seeds #1 - #8 can't possibly meet one another before quarters.
All other people in a draw of 32 are distributed to the remaining spots in the draw completely randomly, with #1 or #2 getting no bias whatsoever.

Again, it is quite clear that being #1 gives you NO advantage of drawing over #2. I hope I made it easily understandable? Just go to the Dubai singles draw and divide it to halves, quarters and eighths - and everything should then make sense.

nobama
02-26-2007, 07:06 PM
The only thing that i think sucks about this, is that fed didn't have a tougher draw. Let him have had Rafa's draw in the first round and that rust might have cost Fed the game. Go Rafa, you can't afford to be rusty, not even for a second. Pays to be number 1Oh stop it. It's not as if Nadal has never had an easy draw. :rolleyes: Both their draws in Dubai last year were easy I thought.

sondraj06
02-26-2007, 07:08 PM
^ that's good to know but I never had a problem with the way draws are figure out. Personally certain things about the atp I think are confusing. Like rankings, I let othe people tell me where this person goes and I say o.k. I'm sue I'll look over that again one day and find something confusing about it, right now I don't truly care. I know rafa has a hard draw and I don't want to see him lose, in the first round for sure.

sondraj06
02-26-2007, 07:09 PM
Oh stop it. It's not as if Nadal has never had an easy draw. :rolleyes: Both their draws in Dubai last year were easy I thought.


No i won't stop it. I didn't say he has never had an easy draw, in fact I could care less about Fed's draw. I still think if he had a tougher draw we might not be seeing fed in the finals this year. I don't really see a problem about draws, people really need to stop taking every little thing and making an issue out of it, especially when it comes to fed. It was sarcastic, but sense it has gone this far, i gues i need to say that. Like I said before I don't really see a problem with the way draws are figure out. Of course that being said I don't want rafa to have a too tough draw especially when he has been stuggling, but what comes will be.

GlennMirnyi
02-26-2007, 07:11 PM
There are no tough draws for Federer, he's much better than everybody else. That's not hard to get.

sondraj06
02-26-2007, 07:14 PM
There are no tough draws for Federer, he's much better than everybody else. That's not hard to get.

yes, glenn I always appreciate your straight to the point analysis of the real underlying issue. :angel:

nobama
02-26-2007, 07:16 PM
Again, it is quite clear that being #1 gives you NO advantage of drawing over #2. I hope I made it easily understandable? Just go to the Dubai singles draw and divide it to halves, quarters and eighths - and everything should then make sense.Yes and the same can be said for seeds 3-4, 5-6, ect. Of course there is a huge difference between 2 & 3 and 4 & 5.

~Marija~
02-26-2007, 07:16 PM
Oh stop it. It's not as if Nadal has never had an easy draw. :rolleyes: Both their draws in Dubai last year were easy I thought.

Rafa always has an easy draw! :rolleyes:

But now...I can't say that :)

Apemant
02-26-2007, 07:18 PM
^ that's good to know but I never had a problem with the way draws are figure out. Personally certain things about the atp I think are confusing. Like rankings, I let othe people tell me where this person goes and I say o.k. I'm sue I'll look over that again one day and find something confusing about it, right now I don't truly care. I know rafa has a hard draw and I don't want to see him lose, in the first round for sure.

Yes, Rafa had the bad luck that precisely the HIGHEST ranked non-seed player (Baggy in this case, directly below the last seed Ferrer) landed precisely next to him in the draw. But I only want to point out that this fact has nothing to do with Rafa being #2 and not #1. ALL non seeds can land just anywhere; it was perfectly possible for Fed to get Baggy in the 1st round, no matter that he is #1 seed. That's all I wanted to say. The draw is not rigged in any way to favour #1 over #2; it is a matter of pure luck.

Apemant
02-26-2007, 07:21 PM
Yes and the same can be said for seeds 3-4, 5-6, ect. Of course there is a huge difference between 2 & 3 and 4 & 5.

Yes, with a little correction: 3-4, 5-8.

In other words, #2 and #3 are quite diffenent, #4 and #5 are also quite different, but #6 and #7 are the same. #8 and #9 are again very different, etc. Powers of 2.

Castafiore
02-26-2007, 07:22 PM
What does this have to do with the match? Nothing. It's off topic.

Why not create one thread where all this BS is carried over so that perhaps, once in a while, peopel get to talk about TENNIS. I know, I know...that's boring.

nobama
02-26-2007, 07:23 PM
No i won't stop it. I didn't say he has never had an easy draw, in fact I could care less about Fed's draw. I still think if he had a tougher draw we might not be seeing fed in the finals this year.I'm not going to argue with you, but just to let you know I am one who defends Nadal against the accusations that his draws are rigged. There are some here who think the powers that be have rigged draws to give him a more favorable path. I have never suggested that, I don't agree with it. Bottom line is you shouldn't be worried about his draw. If he's good enough he'll beat whomever the opponent is (like he did to Fed in the finals last year).

sondraj06
02-26-2007, 07:25 PM
Yes, Rafa had the bad luck that precisely the HIGHEST ranked non-seed player (Baggy in this case, directly below the last seed Ferrer) landed precisely next to him in the draw. But I only want to point out that this fact has nothing to do with Rafa being #2 and not #1. ALL non seeds can land just anywhere; it was perfectly possible for Fed to get Baggy in the 1st round, no matter that he is #1 seed. That's all I wanted to say. The draw is not rigged in any way to favour #1 over #2; it is a matter of pure luck.

Again you were under the impression that some how I thought that, no. I would actually have to give it some thought outside of, oh no rafa has a difficult draw. which this is the first time i've thought that. But like I said I never had a problem with draws.

sondraj06
02-26-2007, 07:27 PM
I'm not going to argue with you, but just to let you know I am one who defends Nadal against the accusations that his draws are rigged. There are some here who think the powers that be have rigged draws to give him a more favorable path. I have never suggested that, I don't agree with it. Bottom line is you shouldn't be worried about his draw. If he's good enough he'll beat whomever the opponent is (like he did to Fed in the finals last year).

I'm not worried about his draws, how many times do I have to say this:banghead: , I was being sarcastic that got lost somehwere, sorry. :help:. I'm worried that he hasn't been playing so well and has a difficult draw, o.k let me rephrase that, before that turns into some twisted debate. He plays a lot of players that have in the past given him a hard time.

Corey Feldman
02-26-2007, 07:42 PM
I thought Pless played quite a good match there, and served well...
as Sondraj is saying (who else :rolleyes: ) if fed had the tougher 1st round draw he would have lost.. that is :bs: , Fed always raises his game enough to get the win... he did today, could have done Vs anyone else in the draw.
cant believe the amount of ppl who take the bait from that Rafafangirl phoney :o

Apemant
02-26-2007, 07:44 PM
Again you were under the impression that some how I thought that, no. I would actually have to give it some thought outside of, oh no rafa has a difficult draw. which this is the first time i've thought that. But like I said I never had a problem with draws.

Ok I'll give it a rest although I'm not 100% satisfied with your response. I'm gentle in nature :angel:

sondraj06
02-26-2007, 07:46 PM
Ok I'll give it a rest although I'm not 100% satisfied with your response. I'm gentle in nature :angel:

what exactly are you not satisfied with....

RogiFan88
02-26-2007, 07:49 PM
What does this have to do with the match? Nothing. It's off topic.

Why not create one thread where all this BS is carried over so that perhaps, once in a while, peopel get to talk about TENNIS. I know, I know...that's boring.

Someone s just start a BS thread in GM -- imagine how long that thread w be! :haha: :p

sondraj06
02-26-2007, 07:53 PM
Someone s just start a BS thread in GM -- imagine how long that thread w be! :haha: :p


wait, what are you talking about. Every thread in GM isn't a :bs:thread.:shrug:

Castafiore
02-26-2007, 08:02 PM
Someone s just start a BS thread in GM -- imagine how long that thread w be! :haha: :p
It beats having this BS spread over the entire GM, don't you think?

Corey Feldman
02-26-2007, 08:06 PM
Castafiore is the voice of reason ;)

we all know these rafa-fed wars should be brought to the fedtards Anon thread

jazar
02-26-2007, 08:39 PM
blame the rust. he will cruise through his next match

Allez
02-26-2007, 08:43 PM
Omg :eek: :eek: :eek:

Beat
02-26-2007, 10:09 PM
roger :yeah:

Black Adam
02-26-2007, 10:26 PM
Federer doesn't believe that either McEnroe or Connors could have got under his skin because he would have dealt with them the way Bjorn Borg always did - with nonchalance. What a class act.

http://www.inside-tennis.net/index.php?action=news&id=2473
Now he is lying to himself. Rafa and Hewitt got or still get under his skin and you see it when they do because Fed just gets angry and either starts spraying winners (that now works against Hewitt) or what usually happens against Rafa= 70+ unforced errors per match :help::devil:

Black Adam
02-26-2007, 10:29 PM
Hard or easy Draw means nothing because no matter your ranking, anybody on a good day can give the top players a good run for their money and sometimes create upsets. An easy draw is playing players you own not playing guys ranked out of the top 100.

World Beater
02-26-2007, 10:31 PM
LMAO ...poor guy didnt want to get annihilated

"I was a little bit afraid of getting my ass kicked, but fortunately he was not at his best level yet; that's why I was able to keep up."

World Beater
02-26-2007, 10:32 PM
Now he is lying to himself. Rafa and Hewitt got or still get under his skin and you see it when they do because Fed just gets angry and either starts spraying winners (that now works against Hewitt) or what usually happens against Rafa= 70+ unforced errors per match :help::devil:

more than nadal and hewitt...nalbandian use to torment federer.

players can get under his skin, no doubt. But you must have game first before you can start the gamesmanship.

Eden
02-26-2007, 10:36 PM
No surprise to see that Roger had problems to find his rhythm after the rest since the Australian Open. He also often struggles against a player he has never played before. We have seen such matches of him quite often in the past.

Credit to Pless that he stayed in the match and tried his best :yeah:

Congrats to Roger for coming through :)

Eden
02-26-2007, 10:47 PM
No i won't stop it. I didn't say he has never had an easy draw, in fact I could care less about Fed's draw. I still think if he had a tougher draw we might not be seeing fed in the finals this year. I don't really see a problem about draws, people really need to stop taking every little thing and making an issue out of it, especially when it comes to fed. It was sarcastic, but sense it has gone this far, i gues i need to say that. Like I said before I don't really see a problem with the way draws are figure out. Of course that being said I don't want rafa to have a too tough draw especially when he has been stuggling, but what comes will be.

Why don't you have enough trust in your favourite player to come through his draw? Yes, it's true with Berdych, Andreev and Youzhny there are players in his draw which have given him trouble in the past and beat him, but would you prefer Djokovic in Nadals draw or Haas or Davydenko?

Look back to the draw Roger had in Wimbledon and Shanghai and not just this - remind yourself which players he has beaten in the last months. He doesn't need cakewalk draws to come through a tournament and when you have followed tennis for a few years you would have recognized it.

nobama
02-27-2007, 12:06 AM
Now he is lying to himself. Rafa and Hewitt got or still get under his skin and you see it when they do because Fed just gets angry and either starts spraying winners (that now works against Hewitt) or what usually happens against Rafa= 70+ unforced errors per match :help::devil:
And of course that's because Nadal get's under his skin. Please :rolleyes: Nadal has a game that troubles Fed. It's not his antics on court that have beaten Fed it's his game.

Corey Feldman
02-27-2007, 12:16 AM
Now he is lying to himself. Rafa and Hewitt got or still get under his skin and you see it when they do because Fed just gets angry and either starts spraying winners (that now works against Hewitt) or what usually happens against Rafa= 70+ unforced errors per match Yeah, just like when he cleaned his clock in Shanghai :silly:
didnt gonzo hit around 70 winners Vs Nadal at the AO?
:lol:

Allure
02-27-2007, 02:39 AM
Sondra, are you Rafa=FedKilla?

cmurray
02-27-2007, 03:06 AM
And of course that's because Nadal get's under his skin. Please :rolleyes: Nadal has a game that troubles Fed. It's not his antics on court that have beaten Fed it's his game.

I agree, actually. I think Roger's own play is what gets under his skin. Rafa's game yanks Roger out of his considerable comfort zone - it is THIS that makes Roger "irritated" when he plays Rafa...not Rafa saying "vamos" or jumping around to pump himself up. Just my opinion of course....

sondraj06
02-27-2007, 03:11 AM
Why don't you have enough trust in your favourite player to come through his draw? Yes, it's true with Berdych, Andreev and Youzhny there are players in his draw which have given him trouble in the past and beat him, but would you prefer Djokovic in Nadals draw or Haas or Davydenko?

Look back to the draw Roger had in Wimbledon and Shanghai and not just this - remind yourself which players he has beaten in the last months. He doesn't need cakewalk draws to come through a tournament and when you have followed tennis for a few years you would have recognized it.

Ah O.K thanks for the rafa pep talk. I'll just stick to routing for him tomorrow.

sondraj06
02-27-2007, 03:12 AM
Sondra, are you Rafa=FedKilla?

wow where have you been, miss much

Corey Feldman
02-27-2007, 03:15 AM
:lol::lol::lol:

sondraj06
02-27-2007, 03:21 AM
:haha: Oh my, do you even remember what you yourself said?



Basically you're implying that it's a shame that Fed didn't face someone tougher who could have knocked him out of the tournament, and you're also saying that being seeded #1 somehow gives him an advantage over the #2 seed, which shows a lack of understanding of how draws work.

I personally don't care enough about this wankfest to be offended by what you said regarding the draws, but why you're surprised that people on a tennis discussion board took what you said seriously and ran with it is beyond me.

Also, it's disingenuous for you to say, "I don't bash and I don't condemn, I just read and respond," in one post and then say: "Look dipshit.." in the very next post. It's hard to take you seriously when you talk like this and then have the nerve to complain that every discussion you get involved in seems to end up offending someone.

Moreover, while I'm not a total grammar nazi, I have to say that it's really difficult to read a lot of what you write due to the way you punctuate things and connect your sentences, and it might behoove you to clean that up as it just makes it more likely that people will misinterpret you. This thread isn't even a discussion of Fed vs. Pless anymore, so good job.

O.K apparently I don't so why don't you remind me


NO I'm not implying anything, if you are so super sensitive...is that stereotypical...about every little thing some one says then I actually have no fire for you arsenal

Now read further back, I wouldn't have called anyone a dipshit if...well I'll let you go back and read what was said, I'm done repeating myself for people who want to come into to a debate 80 years after it's done. Read two lines of some ones post and declare sides. And by the way so far your doing good, haven't found a need to insult you yet


Woops didn't read far enough.

If people misinterpret me then like adults they should have enough good sense to ask questions first, wait for the response then respond. Like I said it's a formula that always works.

So next time while reading my post you feel the least bit confused, don't be afraid, ask question. Then maybe the board won't erupt with over sensitive fedtard ass eaters who blame me for the misdirection of their threads. k love ya


Was that clear enough........

Rogiman
02-27-2007, 05:19 AM
Wow, Sondra is getting more stupid by the day, if that's even possible.

Action Jackson
02-27-2007, 05:24 AM
Sondra, are you Rafa=FedKilla?

Of course.

Baffling them again with logic.

sondraj06
02-27-2007, 05:32 AM
Wow, Sondra is getting more stupid by the day, if that's even possible.

I'm beginning to question myself. Because I keep responding to fedtards who think that they are clever, but your not. the only thing that can be said about this post is

Get on my level

Fedex
02-27-2007, 05:38 AM
Never in doubt.

World Beater
02-27-2007, 06:23 AM
Wow, Sondra is getting more stupid by the day, if that's even possible.

LMAO

JustmeUK
02-27-2007, 08:34 AM
Wow, Sondra is getting more stupid by the day, if that's even possible.

Oh it's very possible.. Sondra's rate of brain cell death has an exponential relationship to the rate of deterioration in Rafa's play :devil:

Modetopia
02-27-2007, 10:14 AM
ladies and gentlemen

may I introduce you to the girlish version of RFK

:spit:

nobama
02-27-2007, 12:15 PM
I agree, actually. I think Roger's own play is what gets under his skin. Rafa's game yanks Roger out of his considerable comfort zone - it is THIS that makes Roger "irritated" when he plays Rafa...not Rafa saying "vamos" or jumping around to pump himself up. Just my opinion of course....I :scratch: at those who think it's some sort of diss on Nadal to say his antics aren't the reason for his wins over Roger. Belief and attitude alone aren't going to get the job done, at least not consistently. And you're right, it's what Nadal's game does to Roger's game that gets under Roger's skin. I think it was last year (or maybe 2005) when Roger got really testy in press conferences when asked about the # of UEs he makes when playing Nadal.

Corey Feldman
02-27-2007, 02:23 PM
Its clay, that makes Federer lose to Nadal..
like the rest of the world

can only give props to buttzilla for that.

The_Nadal_effect
02-27-2007, 03:06 PM
I :scratch: at those who think it's some sort of diss on Nadal to say his antics aren't the reason for his wins over Roger. Belief and attitude alone aren't going to get the job done, at least not consistently. And you're right, it's what Nadal's game does to Roger's game that gets under Roger's skin. I think it was last year (or maybe 2005) when Roger got really testy in press conferences when asked about the # of UEs he makes when playing Nadal.

Carry on :scratch: ing, mirka!

To say that a player has nothing more than antics to get under his opponents skin is relegating him more to politics than sports. Sure, we all watch Rafa play, he pushes himself hard to the end of every match, and if the persona he wears troubles people so much that it makes them timid, its not his fault. He's an animal on court and thats why we love him. Vamos:devil:

rosamunda
02-27-2007, 04:24 PM
Carry on :scratch: ing, mirka!

To say that a player has nothing more than antics to get under his opponents skin is relegating him more to politics than sports. Sure, we all watch Rafa play, he pushes himself hard to the end of every match, and if the persona he wears troubles people so much that it makes them timid, its not his fault. He's an animal on court and thats why we love him. Vamos:devil:

I think Mirkaland was saying the opposite of that, surely? i.e it's Rafa's game that gets under Fed's skin, rather than his antics.

nobama
02-27-2007, 07:33 PM
Carry on :scratch: ing, mirka!

To say that a player has nothing more than antics to get under his opponents skin is relegating him more to politics than sports. Sure, we all watch Rafa play, he pushes himself hard to the end of every match, and if the persona he wears troubles people so much that it makes them timid, its not his fault. He's an animal on court and thats why we love him. Vamos:devil:Learn how to read, I was saying just the opposite. It's usually some Nadal fans that get all offended when someone suggests he's a bad match up for Roger.

cmurray
02-27-2007, 09:14 PM
Learn how to read, I was saying just the opposite. It's usually some Nadal fans that get all offended when someone suggests he's a bad match up for Roger.

Really? I thought it was common knowledge that Raf was a bad matchup for Roger. Tennis is all about matchups. You only have to look as far as Santoro and Safin to find evidence of this. I don't think it is an insult to Rafa to state that his game makes Federer uncomfortable. If Rafa were inconsistent and if he didn't have the ability to stay with that match (because we all know that Roger doesn't go down easily), he wouldn't win those matches with Roger.

Added to that, Rafa WANTS his game to be uncomfortable for his opponents. That's why he trained as a lefty. That's why he puts such a fierce topspin on the ball. Being a "bad matchup" is a sure sign of training success.

sondraj06
02-28-2007, 01:50 AM
Oh it's very possible.. Sondra's rate of brain cell death has an exponential relationship to the rate of deterioration in Rafa's play :devil::rolleyes:

But what are the reasons for Fedtards all year round retard status

GlennMirnyi
02-28-2007, 01:54 AM
Really? I thought it was common knowledge that Raf was a bad matchup for Roger. Tennis is all about matchups. You only have to look as far as Santoro and Safin to find evidence of this. I don't think it is an insult to Rafa to state that his game makes Federer uncomfortable. If Rafa were inconsistent and if he didn't have the ability to stay with that match (because we all know that Roger doesn't go down easily), he wouldn't win those matches with Roger.

Added to that, Rafa WANTS his game to be uncomfortable for his opponents. That's why he trained as a lefty. That's why he puts such a fierce topspin on the ball. Being a "bad matchup" is a sure sign of training success.

I know someone who doesn't understand that. :lol:

cmurray
02-28-2007, 02:50 AM
I know someone who doesn't understand that. :lol:

huh? I must have missed something (not that this is unusual).

What true tennis fan doesn't understand that its all about matchups?

bokehlicious
02-28-2007, 07:00 AM
Wow, Sondra is getting more stupid by the day, if that's even possible.

She's become the most annoying tool around lately :cool: